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The Cubs will have money for the trade deadline. What about Kyle Tucker? · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your
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  Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The Cubs. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so so weekend in Houston. Uh, stymied by
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  Speaker 1: a lefty once again, a stud lefty and Framber Veldez.
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  Speaker 2: And then uh, and then is that is that who
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  Speaker 2: it was? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Framber I always get Christian Basquez and Framer Vellas mixed
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  Speaker 1: up in my brain. Wants to wants to change who
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  Speaker 1: they are.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then they took the first against Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: after a day off, you know, much needed day.
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  Speaker 2: Off with a lot of games in June. July starts
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  Speaker 2: off on a on a good note. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: That weird was at the second inning. That really weird,
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  Speaker 1: like it could have been a huge inning. They got
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  Speaker 1: three runs and then that that was the difference, but
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  Speaker 1: still the weird way to kind of run your way
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  Speaker 1: out of an inning.
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  Speaker 2: But get the win. That's all that matters. And Jed
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  Speaker 2: Hoyer talked before the game.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know it's been it's you know, as accessible
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  Speaker 1: as Jet has been. I feel like maybe maybe I
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  Speaker 1: missed his last session, but I feel like it's been
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  Speaker 1: a little while for Jet.
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  Speaker 2: It was a.
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  Speaker 1: Long time in between sitting with the media at Wrigley,
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  Speaker 1: it was a trade deadline focus. I'm not sure, maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe one or two other questions beyond trade deadline finances.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what we know what they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: they have a priority list as far as what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: I think starting pitching, a depth when it comes to relievers,
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe something big when it comes to relievers, we'll see,
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  Speaker 1: can't rule it out.
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  Speaker 2: And then a right.
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  Speaker 1: Handed bat like those are the those are the three needs.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what we got from Jet is they
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  Speaker 1: have the money to go make moves.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: money is going to be a limiting factor or a
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  Speaker 1: huge limiting factor, especially if it's just deals that are
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  Speaker 1: for this season, because I mean, how hard, like, how
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  Speaker 1: much money can you actually add to the payroll when
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, a third of the season, half the
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  Speaker 1: season left.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, well, we'll kind of see you one sort
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  Speaker 3: of disclaimer just Jed gave across all this. You know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot will happened between now and then. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's roughly whatever twenty five games you know during that
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  Speaker 3: span before teams really have to make final decisions and
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  Speaker 3: put their pencils down. As Jed would say, that's one
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  Speaker 3: of his favorite things, you know, when the test ends.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, several obvious areas for the Cubs to.
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  Speaker 2: Upgrade.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought it was interesting that you had asked
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  Speaker 3: the hot of of like, okay, well can you take
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  Speaker 3: on money.
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  Speaker 2: Into the future.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously kind of the sub text to that is
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  Speaker 3: Jed entering this year the final season of his contract,
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  Speaker 3: a CBA that runs out after twenty twenty six, a
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  Speaker 3: nucleus that is largely tied up through twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: That there is what he called in response to your question,
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  Speaker 3: the double edged sword of having really clean books is
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  Speaker 3: that they have a lot of flexibility moving forward. But
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  Speaker 3: I think to mix another metaphor that he had used
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning of his presidential tenure here in Chicago
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  Speaker 3: was you don't want to fall off a cliff, you
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  Speaker 3: know that you kind of run towards the edge. And
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  Speaker 3: obviously twenty twenty one the Cubs, you know, decided to
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  Speaker 3: back away and kind of reset, and that is definitely
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  Speaker 3: a fear within the organization right of looking at I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's the number one priority here, but it's
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  Speaker 3: also something I think that they can never ignore of
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  Speaker 3: just the idea that what ownership wants is that sustainable,
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  Speaker 3: consistent contender, not necessarily a team that's like all in
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  Speaker 3: for any one season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this will this can be a topic
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  Speaker 1: that we dive into another date, but it's certainly I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of free agents after twenty six, say
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  Speaker 1: Ian Hap, Matthew Boyd, who will talk about later, jameson
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  Speaker 1: Tie owned pretty much it's just Dansby and then you
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  Speaker 1: have guys you know that are young, that are pre
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  Speaker 1: orb or getting close to urb like Michael Bush and
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  Speaker 1: Pek Arms are certainly people that you want the Cubs
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  Speaker 1: to keep around. We'll see how Miguel Amaya plays when
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  Speaker 1: he comes back. That it sounds like it'll be post
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  Speaker 1: All Star break the you know that that type of
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  Speaker 1: those type of players will be around past twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: and that's great when you have that type of youth.
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  Speaker 2: But it is it. He did not want this cliff
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  Speaker 2: that you lamented it.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about it was it before? Whenever it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was either before or after twenty one. How I
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  Speaker 1: talked about teams that hit that cliff, like Philadelphia and
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  Speaker 1: that Philadelphia of the early two thousand Tens Tigers yea,
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  Speaker 1: Allians Tigers. Yeah, these teams that are finally now getting
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  Speaker 1: back to being great again after after you know, having
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  Speaker 1: consistent winners for years and pushing.
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  Speaker 2: It all the way to the end.
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  Speaker 1: Out of the Cubs handle that that that may be
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  Speaker 1: a topic that we're talking about in the offseason. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they make some interesting decisions to kind of extend a window.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, we'll see what that is.
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  Speaker 1: I think it is important that you you asked about
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  Speaker 1: the war chest.
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  Speaker 3: Right there is no war chest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jed said there was no war chest, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was it was that Jed Hoyer frustrated
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  Speaker 1: in the moment about Ultimately it was him saying, what
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  Speaker 1: are we saving money for. Let's go out and get
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  Speaker 1: this guy that can be a finishing piece for our
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  Speaker 1: great to take us from very good to great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: during the Alex Bergman sweepstakes, and obviously that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think ultimately we knew if they are good enough,
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  Speaker 1: there will be financial flexibility, and that's essentially what I
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  Speaker 1: got from Jed's answered question about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the team is playing well, he said,
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  Speaker 3: this place, meaning Wrigley is packed almost every night. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's close to a full house. And you know, I
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  Speaker 3: would give the Cubs the benefit of the doubt here
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  Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, Tom Ricketts gives his top
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  Speaker 3: bug executives a lot of latitude. The Cubs have historically
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  Speaker 3: been very active one way or the other at almost
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  Speaker 3: every trade deadline going all the way back to theo's
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  Speaker 3: first year in Chicago, and that if Jed can not
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  Speaker 3: just add rentals, but also add guys who come with
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  Speaker 3: multiple years or an additional season of club control, that
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  Speaker 3: could be valuable and you know, being able to take
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  Speaker 3: on that money or kind of invest farther into the
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  Speaker 3: future beyond his own contract term. It's something that Jed
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  Speaker 3: said he's not concerned about at all, doesn't really think
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  Speaker 3: about it. I'd imagine that on a case by case basis,
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  Speaker 3: he would kind of present these ideas to ownership and
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  Speaker 3: they're largely you know, supportive. Let him do what he
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  Speaker 3: wants within these financial parameters. Obviously, but if I think
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  Speaker 3: if there's a there are baseball trades out there that
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  Speaker 3: makes sense for the Cubs. They can go for it,
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  Speaker 3: and I do think, you know what, I'd ask them
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  Speaker 3: out this idea of like if not now when that's
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  Speaker 3: what THEO famously said when they traded for old As
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  Speaker 3: Chapman and get an interesting answer in terms of, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that was a World Series odd it's not
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  Speaker 3: a playoff chances type of deal, and that there's a
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  Speaker 3: difference between just getting in and building the best possible
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  Speaker 3: team to win multiple rounds in October.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I still look at this situation. He didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: go there yet. You know, they could lose six games
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  Speaker 3: in a row and a couple of teams in Central
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  Speaker 3: could get hot, and all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: They're kind of scrambling just to get in.
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  Speaker 3: But to me, you've got Kyle Tucker and we'll get
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  Speaker 3: into that shortly. You know, months away from a few
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  Speaker 3: months away from free agency. You have a front office
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  Speaker 3: that was on the hot seat entering this year. You
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  Speaker 3: have a team that's playing really well. You have pie
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  Speaker 3: Crow Armstrong what might be the best season of his life.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know. I think he's gonna be a good
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  Speaker 3: player for a long time, but he's obviously come on
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  Speaker 3: in just an unbelievable way. You have all these bullpen
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  Speaker 3: guys that we've talked about from Daniel Pelonci and Drew Palm, Rantz,
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  Speaker 3: Brad Keller. List kind of goes on and on of
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  Speaker 3: just these pleasant surprises.
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  Speaker 2: That keep happening.
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  Speaker 3: You have one of the you know, most respected, highest
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  Speaker 3: paid managers in the game running your team. You got
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  Speaker 3: good vibes in the clubhouses like why not go out?
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  Speaker 3: Who cares if you know some prospect in a ball
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  Speaker 3: becomes an All Star seven years from now. I just
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  Speaker 3: think this moment demands, you know, aggressive moves to try
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  Speaker 3: and go in a World Series like period.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think there may be some push and pull in
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  Speaker 1: the run off is trying to balance that. Uh well,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a very good team with some obvious
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  Speaker 1: areas to upgrade. Uh you know, two weeks ago, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was, I was saying, there's no obvious way to
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  Speaker 1: upgrade third. Maybe there is now with the with the
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  Speaker 1: Diamondbacks struggling, the Diamondbacks are going to wait till the
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  Speaker 1: last minute and unless they really collapse here and fall,
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  Speaker 1: you know, eight nine, ten games out of the wildcard. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but they're struggling, they're they're falling back. And if if
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  Speaker 1: they're if they're you know, pushing to double digit games
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  Speaker 1: back of the wildcard, I could see them selling. And
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  Speaker 1: Suarez is an impending free agent and he kind of
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  Speaker 1: fits exactly.
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  Speaker 2: What they need.
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  Speaker 1: Uh as far as right handed bat can play third base.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, I think that the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: focus has to be pitching, pitching, pitching, and you.
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  Speaker 2: Upgrade that area.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're talking about a really good team that goes
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  Speaker 1: to great and and now has been and then you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about upgrading World Series odds. Patrick, I want to
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  Speaker 1: discuss the Kyle Talker discussion that we had with Jed
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  Speaker 1: and just kind of get into gigantic contract talk and
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  Speaker 1: the possibilities of that.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick get you know, we talked to Jed Hoyer.
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  Speaker 1: I think the first time we talked to him this season,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even the spring. He said, how many times am
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  Speaker 1: I gonna have to no comment on this on this
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  Speaker 1: contract extension talk, but he kind of touched on it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't say that
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  Speaker 1: he that the first to go around. I think we
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  Speaker 1: pushed and we got more answers than expected.
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  Speaker 2: Uh with with this, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think my takeaway was when Jed says at some point
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  Speaker 3: we'll get into that with Casey Close, Bocker's agent at
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  Speaker 3: Excel Sports Management, that sort of implies that they haven't
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  Speaker 3: gained a ton of traction or really pushed in that area,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't think anyone thought they would, Like that's
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  Speaker 3: not how the Cubs operate in terms of making some
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  Speaker 3: sort of enormous blind bid for a player who is
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  Speaker 3: so close to free agency that it makes sense for
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  Speaker 3: him to let this play out, and him having a
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  Speaker 3: great first half only reinforces that belief that I personally
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  Speaker 3: think it makes a lot of sense for both sides
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  Speaker 3: to see.
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  Speaker 2: What the market will bear.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess there's always that one percent chance that
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  Speaker 3: something could come together later this summer, but like, there's
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  Speaker 3: no real precedent for this, there's no real like urgency
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  Speaker 3: to do that, And to me, this was it was
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  Speaker 3: a deal to win big in twenty twenty five. Then
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  Speaker 3: you just figure out the rest later, and you don't.
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  Speaker 3: You can't look back and be like, oh, camp Smith,
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  Speaker 3: that was the guy that the Astros wanted. Camp Smith
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  Speaker 3: would not be playing for the Cubs. He certain wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have started on their opening day roster. I kind of
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  Speaker 3: doubt he'd even be up by this point on this
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  Speaker 3: Cubs team. But yeah, I mean it's great content. It's
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  Speaker 3: certainly like fun to talk about. But I just don't
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  Speaker 3: think there's a whole lot of there there right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, extension in season just you know, that
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  Speaker 1: just seems so far fetched to me, when you're this
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  Speaker 1: close to free agency, when you're the obvious top of
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  Speaker 1: the market guy, when you're having I think he's having
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  Speaker 1: a career year. You know, he's at four war according
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  Speaker 1: to Fangrafts. His career best is five. This is I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're halfway through the season and he's at four war.
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  Speaker 1: You don't sign an extension at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Why why would he?
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  Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me why he would.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing the right thing for him, unless he just
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  Speaker 1: falls in love with Chicago and they offer him an
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  Speaker 1: astronomical price. I think that also, you know, he jed
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  Speaker 1: did say something like something about like that it's going
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  Speaker 1: to costle. He acknowledged that the costs would be crazy,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, have limits. I think I think we
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  Speaker 1: need to listen to that. We need to hear that
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  Speaker 1: you have to have limits. I do wonder where this
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  Speaker 1: is going to go. We're going to see some teams
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  Speaker 1: in it that you know. I mean, Boston's going to
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  Speaker 1: be in it, The Yankees are probably going to be
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  Speaker 1: in it. The Dodgers are always is just kind of
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  Speaker 1: in it. Even you think they're done, but why not
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  Speaker 1: just keep spending more? I think the Giants may be
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  Speaker 1: in it. These are all the teams that you kind
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  Speaker 1: of look at and say, outside of the Mets. The
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  Speaker 1: Mets are probably the one team that probably aren't going
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  Speaker 1: to be in it, but maybe they are. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do we even rule them out? So this guy like
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  Speaker 1: he's having a monster season. I think what I'm curious about,
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  Speaker 1: and what I have this internal debate about, is okay
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  Speaker 1: Wan Soto deal fifteen years, seven hundred and sixty five million.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see something like that again, you know,
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  Speaker 1: unless there's a Shoho Tani type player that shows up.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think we'll see something like that again
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  Speaker 1: anytime soon. The Lad Junior deal is interesting at fourteen
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  Speaker 1: five hundred million, and I seem to see people thinking
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  Speaker 1: he needs to top that. What started this season twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years old. Kyle Tucker is gonna start next season
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. That's really different. I know, like
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  Speaker 1: they're similar offensive, like purely at the plate, what they
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  Speaker 1: do are similar. Tucker's better on the basis, Tucker's a
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  Speaker 1: better defender, So I guess you could make the argument,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not seeing this Jan Soto type deal. The
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  Speaker 1: Vlad Junior deal does kind of skew the market. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't I don't know what it looks like. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very curious with all those teams bidding, I just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know these astronomical six hundred and seven hundred million
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  Speaker 1: dollar deals. I don't know if it gets there. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'm completely misreading the market, and that's very possible, especially
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  Speaker 1: with so many teams bidding.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like there's very little downside for Kyle Tucker
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  Speaker 3: to see if that's out.
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  Speaker 2: There, oh right, like yeah, yeah. I mean.
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  Speaker 3: As a position player, the injury risks are pretty minimal.
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  Speaker 3: As someone who's made good money as a top of
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  Speaker 3: the draft pick through the arbitration system. I think you
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  Speaker 3: just sort of have to let this play out there.
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  Speaker 3: As much as he seems to enjoy Chicago, there's no
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  Speaker 3: history here. I mean, he's been a Cub for a
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  Speaker 3: couple of months, and I think whatever the Cubs are
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  Speaker 3: comfortable offering will still be there in a couple months anyways,
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  Speaker 3: And maybe with that interest you could kind of leverage
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  Speaker 3: that a little more. I think the thing that we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be curious about at the trade deadline, and I
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  Speaker 3: think Tucker is kind of adjacent to all this because
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  Speaker 3: you want to maximize this year.
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  Speaker 2: It's like.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, I mean the Cubs can obviously, as a business,
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  Speaker 3: can afford whatever the Vlad deal, whatever you whatever it
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  Speaker 3: winds up being as a business, But as a baseball
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  Speaker 3: operations department, what percentage is that Tucker deal going to
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  Speaker 3: take up? Like how far out in the future do
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  Speaker 3: they have to go or are they willing to go?
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  Speaker 3: Like where does the AAV factor in in terms of CBT,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: What is the CBT gonna be? What is the landscape
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: going to look like with the new CBA, And so
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: that I think is something we're talking about here too,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: of like how how much do you sacrifice in terms
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: of future assets from the farm system, like if Tucker's
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: going to be taking up that big number, or like
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: if the payroll is gonna kind of be what it's
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: been here recently, of like more like top fifteen than
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: top five. There's there's a lot going on here behind
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the scenes that you know, we won't fully know.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But even the.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Cubs are dealing with a lot of unknowns too, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: they're going to have to make their best guesses here
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: in July.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the way fans do not want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: hear this and it just does not matter to fans,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and I understand that and I appreciate it. Front offices
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: have to kind of look at it. Okay, say you
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: give them an eight year deal. In theory, the first
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: four years are where you make the money, where the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Cubs are winning the deal. The last four years you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: have to outspend that deal. Are the clubs capable of
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: doing that if they're let's just say it's let's say
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it's a ten year deal and it's four hundred million, Okay,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: cheap side, I think that's he's probably going to beat that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So five years let's say.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: For forty million, you like that, and then the next
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: five years at forty million, can you are the Cubs
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: outspending that? I don't know if that's a bad contract
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: for them at that point, If that, if the five
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: years two hundred million remaining is a bad deal, can
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the Cubs? Will the Cubs outspend that? Maybe they will.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the CBA is going to look like,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and I don't know what their spending is going to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: look like, and I think the front office doesn't really
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: know what their spending is going to look like. Uh
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: So that that makes that's what makes these types of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: decisions difficult. You're not the Mets, You're not the Dodgers.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You're not even the Giants or the Red Sox or
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the Yankees. I mean the Red Sox. I don't know
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: what they are, but they at least they signed someone
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: like Devers before trading them. They gave they handed out
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that huge contract. I don't know. The Cubs have never
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: done anything above two hundred million. They've never hit two
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: hundred million, So we don't know what they're what they're
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: willing to do, and what they're capable of doing, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: how it looks in the long term, and I think
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: just in general, you can't live in a world where
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you fear that suddenly this deal that you sign is
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: going to handcuff you when it's on the back end
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of it. Just don't You don't want to live in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that world as a big market team that's not acting
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like a big money market team. So well, it's going
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to be interesting. I you know this, this will be
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a topic four months. It already has been. I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: know how it ends it, but I think Tucker is
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: making it more interesting just by doing little things like
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: taking pictures of himself in loving Chicago, out with the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: guys and on the lake. I mean that's going to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: rile up certain parts of the fan base. You know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: he's he's got charities that he's starting here, like things
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like that, Like people are like, oh, is he saiding?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Is he putting in roots? And it's like, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, but I get it. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: get it how fans are reacting and how fans want
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to envision the best case scenario with Kyle Tucker. You
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: cannot understate his impact on this team. I think that's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that's clear.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Matthew Boyd, it's been a stud He has been
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: awesome for the Cubs, and I, you know, I thought
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: about it and talked about it with other writers after
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: his start in where we're with Saint Louis and and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, he's reinforcing it. Is he an
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: all star? He's believe I just looked it up. It
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: was twelfth in er and I'm talking about big leagues.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Twelfth in the Big Leagues in era twentieth.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And innings pitched.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: He's up there in war by Fangrabs just been just
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: really impressive and kind of the type of pitcher that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they desperately needed with Justin Steele out for the year
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and showed him monogamissing nearly two months and really, if
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he weren't having this type of season, we'd be freaking out.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: As far as they're desperate need for starting pitching. They
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: need starting pitching. They need to go get a starting picture.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But with him, it showed him anaga back. They have
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: two really good pictures that you can throw out to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: start a series in the postseason and not feel like
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you have no chance that you you know, you have
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a decent chance to have the best picture on the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: mound with those guys going.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's on pace for close to two hundred
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: innings which is wild considering around this time last year.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: You know, he he may have signed with Cleveland at
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: that point, but was come back from Tommy John surgery
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and you know, had been doing the showcases, trying to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: gain some traction on a major league deal, and just
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: a delightful human being. Like you know, it's his start
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: day yesterday and he's We're standing next to each other
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: side and I and he says like, hey, guys, how's
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: it going, And like that's you know, for uh, people
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: who aren't kind of you know, behind the scenes like that,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like starting picture David Media does not talk to the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: picture on the day he starts. Such just kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: an unspoken understood thing throughout baseball. But there are a
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: couple of exceptions, you know, guys who just are on
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: their own sort of frequency. And Matthew Boyd, he'd already
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: said hi to me earlier in the day too. He's like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: what's up, Patrick, And I'm like, hey, Like it's put
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you in this spot. You're like, I respond to you
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: because you said high first. But just a really nice
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: human being, but very competitive on the mound, you know
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: him or showeda kind of your game one playoff starter
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: unless you know, Jed has a surprise before the July
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: thirty first deadline, but the real consistent HA said, maybe
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: one sort of so so outing, but has really delivered
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: length and quality over and over and over, and yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I haven't. You know, the All Star pitching selection process
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: always seems a little wonky, like you know, injuries or
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: guys don't want to pitch, and like guys keep getting added.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I'd have to think he's very firmly in that conversation
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: and would probably have a pretty good chance as basically
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the best pitcher on one of the National League's best teams.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the more I when we first had this
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: discussion among the media people, I was like, no, is
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: he that good? Like, I mean, he's been awesome for
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the Cubs, but like league wide and I and I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: just double checked, and I was like, I know, is
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: he ra is good? Maybe he doesn't have the innings
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, he's got everything. He's he's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: up there with everything. So he certainly ad minimum deserves.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Like if he's not on that first list that they give,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the with the injuries, he'll he'll he he
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: has to make it. I'd be surprised if he's not there,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: it'd be quite an honor for him. Like he deserving guy,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: like you said, puts you in that uncomfortable position as
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: media saying hi to Like I almost forgot that to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: his start day, it's like, oh, hey, how's it going?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I gotta wait, he's starting.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to chat him up. But he's so friendly.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Almost he's disarming that it's just like, oh, I could
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: talk to this guy.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: His game face is just like smiling and saying, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: good morning to everyone, or good afternoon, how's it going?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that, and obviously starting pictures talk to teammates
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: and stuff. But even some guys just like have the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: headphones in and just don't want to be bothered on
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: their start day. And he is very much the opposite
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like Tyne, very friendly guy, but start day
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: he's got the headphones on and he's focused and preparing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I think when you say, I think what Cubs fans
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: can get or like kind of get anticipate, like really
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: anticipate over this next month if Jed can pull off
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a trade to get someone as good or better than
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: showed in Matthew Boyd.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: That should excite man.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: That's the type of thing that just completely changes the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: complexion of the team because when you have a guy
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: step up like Matthew Boyd has and go from Okay,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: this is this signing any good? Is this going to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: like be valuable for them? Can this guy stay healthy?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And we still you know, still have a season left,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: don't want to assume.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Anything, but it looks good.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: There's there's nothing that's even like, there's nothing that's even
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: like worried you about him yet health wise. Just then
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: when when you have a guy step up like Boyd
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and you have Showda coming back, and the way he
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: looked in that first start, it's almost like, Okay, he's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: just getting started. That's how it felt to me watching it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think he's at his best yet.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Now he's it was a non arm injury. Those two
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: things kind of line up really well. And you add
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: one more guy, even if it's right close to that level,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that would just be such a such a big addition
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: for this team.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: The type of thing that pushes you.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: You were we were talking about World Series odds before,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Like that's type of thing that changes the way you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: look at the team and say, okay, now that they
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: have everything.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Going for them, and you know that they Matthew Boy's
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: just been such a such a huge piece and such
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: a revelation this season that it allows you to dream
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: big for October when you have these types.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And there's.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: When council who who doesn't love reminiscing and going big
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: picture and stuff like that. When he did talk about
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the first half, that's kind of what he's like. When
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you have seasons like this, you need surprises and it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: remarkable how many you can list off PCA.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: You know, we knew what he could be, but.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: This level is something special. Matthew Boyd has been just brilliant.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Michael Bush has taken his offense to another level. There's
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the bullpen arms that have gone over, but Brad Keller,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Drew palm Rance, Daniel Palencia is continuing to really impress me.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: What he did in Saint Louis to end that the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: final game, and then last night he was he was
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: dominant Patrick like dotting up one oh two and like
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: just like they.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Had no chance against him.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: That's the type of stuff that that's exciting, and I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: don't know what what they'll do to upgrade the bullpen.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: But if he's not your closer, then you got like
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a really dominant setup man too. But I think he's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: just fine closing right now. You love to have experience
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in the bullpen, but that wo, like, that's that's the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: type of stuff that's kind of scary how good, how
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: good he looks, and it's and it's also why you
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: bet on stuff. So there's been a lot of good
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: surprises for this team. Uh and and you need that,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: like to have a season like this and to to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: kind of you need it to continue.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I think he's strengthened the
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: strength at the trade deadline. And if you know, Craig
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Council has his reputation for being kind of a bullpen
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: whisper and expert tactician, just give him more. I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: imagine if Matthew Boyd is starting like game three of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, not game one, assuming show to is at
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: full strength and that you add someone else, and yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I think we'll get into this more, you know, in
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: future shows. But certainly adding a right handed hitter, just
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: giving yourself more options, just kind of bumping everyone down
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: on the depth chart makes a ton of sense, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: as long as the Cubs sort of finished this first
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: half strong, I mean the pre All Star break first
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: half on a good note. You'd have the Draft, which
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: is a time when front offices sort of go quiet
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: in terms of trade talks because they're so absorbed in
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the draft process. You'd be looking at coming out of
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: that in mid to late July in a real position
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: of strength where the Cubs have to just kind of
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: go out and get it, like all the momentum is
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: heading in that direction.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be This is gonna be a fun month,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I think for Cubs fans.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: They weathered a tough June.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: We'll see, you know how they continue to do against Cleveland. Big,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: big weekend, fun series. Saint Louis coming to town, first
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: time there at regularly this season, and we got a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: show to start this week too at regular first time
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: since he got hurt. So big, big rest of the week,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: fun rest of the week, holiday weekend. It should be
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: fun at Wrigley. I think it'll be a blast to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: cover this weekend.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to everyone.
• 33:48
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