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Dane Gulston: The Trinidad All Stars & Panazz Legend Who Transformed Pan Performance · Corie Sheppard Podcast

0:01
Dane: Oh my god.
0:02
Dane: I didn't know that's merchant and merchant in the studio just sitting down doing his stuff.
0:11
Dane: Right?
0:12
Dane: And and um designer was a backup singer.
0:17
Dane: In in the you know I mean just come to do backup.
0:20
Dane: And he here and merchant just and merchant, nah, I don't you see recording that too.
0:26
Dane: So no, I I do I nah the one but I want it I go ahead and say you go ahead.
0:32
Dane: The song never hit.
0:34
Dane: You mean merchant said I was crap.
0:38
Dane: So he you understand that's a big song, yeah, yeah.
0:43
Corie: Let's tell you when you watch designer career, you can't mention it to the other comrades.
0:48
Dane: So uh that's showing and that was nothing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:51
Dane: For merchant.
0:53
Corie: But you know, because uh so I just say David, we're gonna get started.
1:00
David: Started already.
1:01
Corie: Oh, welcome to the Curry Shepherd Podcast.
1:03
Corie: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening, welcome to all the new listeners.
1:06
Corie: Welcome to Dane Gulf Son of Brother.
1:16
Corie: That's a pleasure.
1:16
Corie: No, no, all this one.
1:17
Corie: It's a pleasure to have you.
1:19
Dane: Blessings, everybody, man.
1:20
Corie: I don't tell them I'm talking to a man here who I think is my age, I have as long as my age and things.
1:25
Corie: So David, we had to start in a different place here, you know, because the man are children, my age, and I think we had to start something like skincare and exercise.
1:38
Corie: What do you be doing?
1:39
Corie: Or why doing wrong?
1:44
Dane: Ah god, buddy.
1:45
Dane: To be honest, as we say, we we can't start from the bottom.
1:50
Dane: We have some of it jump like my grandmother passed at a hundred.
1:54
David: I see.
1:57
Dane: So I just say my um on my mother's side, my my grandmother, she also she was above 80s, 80 something, you know.
2:07
Dane: I just say any jeans um jeans good.
2:09
Dane: Um unfortunately unfortunately, my mom passed, you know, not too young, but you know, she'll pass, God bless her soul.
2:18
Dane: But um, my dad's still around.
2:21
Dane: And I think too, um, just living right and liking you know, people around you for the right reasons.
2:29
Dane: You if you understand what's saying, I mean, I still play a little football.
2:33
Dane: Seriously, yeah, man.
2:35
Dane: I still take another trip, man.
2:37
Dane: Which one is play small role and think about it?
2:39
Dane: Small good, yeah.
2:40
Dane: I speak, so you know, seriously, but sometimes at the pan year too, Ternado Westers pan pan, as you say about pan theater, pan theater, right?
2:50
Dane: Yeah, you know, um, and then to um living trying to live right to a point, you know.
2:57
Dane: That's certain things I really do eat and stuff.
2:59
Corie: Oh, okay.
3:00
Corie: All right, well, I'll change my ways and see if I tell you too much.
3:02
Corie: If we carry four steps, we might be able to correct the edge.
3:06
Dane: Everybody had their own personal um way of burning the metabolism is totally different, you know what I'm saying.
3:13
Dane: And some people might just eat a lot, a lot of bread and they blow up.
3:18
Dane: Some people eat bread and nothing though, really.
3:20
Dane: I guess yeah, yeah, it's different to yourself, you know what I mean?
3:23
Corie: Well, one of the things is um one of my issues with health and fitness.
3:27
Corie: We in a weird place, David.
3:28
Corie: I will get on track at some point, right?
3:30
Corie: But one of my issues with health and fitness is you you exercise, but then you work and you eat and thing, but your work is exercise in a way because when you go, they use it.
3:41
Dane: It's not true when you perform it.
3:43
Dane: Yeah, for that, for that.
3:44
Dane: Um, and I I I grew um actually loving to perform.
3:49
Dane: Serious.
3:50
Dane: And because I'm an instrumentalist, uh panist, um, yeah, you don't see much.
3:59
Dane: And I mean the the the entertainment will it it move from you actually just standing something and sometime and and singing or standing and and you know, it just performing no.
4:12
Dane: You have to get the audience totally engaged.
4:16
Dane: And I I grew seeing that um, you know, from a very tender age, because I start toying with Trinidad All-Stars at a very tender age because what age is that?
4:27
Dane: Um when I was like 13, 14 years old, all right.
4:31
Dane: I in the band like 40 odd years, like 43 years, right?
4:36
Dane: So I've been around, I've been around for a bit, you know, and um, you know, I I I I stood back knowing all that time you have the greats.
4:50
Dane: I just, you know, the books, the sharp and the Robert Greenwich and Kent Professor Fillmore and plenty others, you know.
4:56
Dane: And and um, and I say, you know, but boy, because these guys play, you know, play the tail off.
5:03
Dane: I see about it now.
5:05
Dane: You know, we have the you know we have the sparrow and we have, you know, we had the super, you know, and they're the little feel.
5:14
Dane: And then we have, no, then we had the marshall and we had the vibes, and the energy changing drastically.
5:23
Dane: I see for you to really bring it out, you really have to put in that that that vibe.
5:30
Dane: Because one of the the the the players uh in my era who used to kind of show that vibe as can, Professor Villmo.
5:38
Dane: Right.
5:39
Dane: You know, and um and we have others too, and I I grew with all-stars, all-stars are show bang.
5:45
Dane: I show off myself, you know what I mean?
5:48
Dane: Show your craft, yeah.
5:49
Dane: You know what I mean?
5:50
Dane: And um, I say, you know what?
5:52
Dane: Like loving the music, loving to perform, seeing crowds, I talk more hundreds, you know, of people when we go on tour, right?
6:01
Dane: I say, you know what, these people love the that interaction, whatever it is.
6:07
Dane: And I just grow playing like that, and I stick with that, you know.
6:10
Dane: And um, and it worked by by um just sometimes playing for just a handful of people and they just natural.
6:19
Dane: You know what I mean?
6:20
Dane: Panorama, as you know, panorama is real interaction because it yeah, the day and the people loving the city band, you know, the flash.
6:29
Dane: Yeah.
6:29
Dane: No, with all stars.
6:32
Dane: Even when we do classical music, classical music have that order, have that structure, uh posture, as a, you know, I mean, uh a well-rounded uh musician kind of stuff.
6:47
Corie: So you don't really yeah, even in the performance, yeah.
6:50
Dane: Yeah, it's when it's classical, but our conductor and most of our conductors were flashy conductors, Jerry Gemman.
6:58
Dane: And he used to tell you straight up, you perform in as much as classical music.
7:02
Dane: So when he comes out on stage, he comes out on stage with that total energetic presence, you know.
7:12
Dane: So one time it's like he ain't control.
7:15
Dane: Because in classical music, people don't know the conductor is the one that really shows the the the if you want to call that that that um that that mood and that the energy and the you know all right listen, when we finish, we play a certain piece, all right.
7:37
Dane: We still we may like for instance in festival, festival when you had the competition, we have the calypso.
7:44
Dane: When we stand in front for the calypso, we back our jackets and all them days, like flash, you know.
7:53
Dane: I say, you know what, this this thing can work, you know.
7:56
Dane: So I can adopt that that way of of performing because I grew up playing in Trinidad Wars.
8:03
Dane: Yeah, you see it work, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:06
Dane: It works, you know, and that's where the energy the energy um comes from.
8:09
Dane: Yeah, that will keep me young.
8:11
Dane: Yeah, again, we had to energize this thing, they would up the performance level on this podcast.
8:16
Dane: And then watch too.
8:17
Dane: I I I watch plenty of the the um soccer artists and and stuff.
8:22
Dane: Um they stay pretty young.
8:24
Dane: Pretty young because the energy, yeah, the energy, you know what I mean?
8:27
Dane: Yeah, now it's a a little more, a little more because I mean, compared um to kitsch.
8:33
Dane: Look at Kitchener.
8:34
Dane: Kitchener died in his 90s, right?
8:37
Dane: Yeah.
8:38
Dane: And Kitchener, Kitchener still used to perform, he's a performer kitch.
8:42
Corie: Yeah, he's performing everybody.
8:43
Corie: Let me put it out there one time.
8:44
Corie: Let me just establish that, right?
8:48
Dane: Oh god.
8:49
Dane: And really is an honor.
8:51
Dane: Um, and as we say, you know, legacies, you know.
8:54
Dane: My son does say it all the time, you know, that um four boys, and um, you know, boy, dad, but wait now.
9:02
Dane: You know, I saw a video with you with X, and I saw a video with you with Y, I see a video with your child, with Marshall.
9:07
Corie: There's like more into the culture, they say, when they do the research, they see in you.
9:10
Corie: Yeah, all the time, you know what I mean.
9:12
Dane: And um, I said, well, you know, it's really an honor because not everybody has got an opportunity to collab or get a chance as um a musician to perform at some of your your grids, you know what I mean?
9:25
Dane: Local grids or sometimes even international grids.
9:28
Dane: But um, I said, and and and what that brings, right, that helps you to better your craft or understand.
9:37
Dane: Everybody have their own little vibes on stage, you know what I mean?
9:43
Dane: For instance, all right, Kitchener was well, well, well, well structured when it comes to his music.
9:51
Dane: Right?
9:51
Dane: When we on stage and we performing, it has certain times he don't want to hear no pan at all.
9:58
Dane: So I on stage and I will just right and then take a little taste, maybe in the band chorus, and down at that end, if you can't play, right, stay away.
10:12
Dane: Because he ain't playing.
10:15
Dane: He wants to hear you.
10:16
Dane: And here what he used to do.
10:18
Dane: He said, um, he said, Tell the band, especially in the tents, right?
10:23
Dane: Let the boy play.
10:26
Dane: So he had the side because anchor, you know, his anchor, right?
10:31
Dane: His little vibes of the anchor is the pan.
10:34
Dane: Yeah.
10:34
Dane: You know what I mean?
10:35
Dane: So when I came into fall as a young guy, you know, thing doing little stuff, and as you know, let the boy play and burn, and then he's coming out.
10:44
Dane: Unlike, right?
10:46
Dane: The first tour.
10:48
Dane: The first tour where you play right or J's and ages, band chorus, thing, why is he doing things, papa?
10:56
Speaker 1: No, like on what?
11:00
Speaker 1: But I don't entire so you know, but yeah, it's a different vibe, you know.
11:07
Dane: Um Marshall, little structure too.
11:10
Dane: Right.
11:10
Dane: All right, you have a stace, you want a flavor here, you know what I mean?
11:14
Dane: But they the space, you're giving a space, you know what I mean?
11:17
Dane: It has some it has some some um artists, they're different too.
11:22
Dane: All right, they sometimes on stage with you, and like you in there.
11:29
Dane: So you have to know how to deal with it.
11:31
Dane: Yeah, but you they ain't coming to you at all, they ain't even paying no attention until you actually make them aware.
11:39
Dane: Right, yeah.
11:41
Dane: You find your space, you pick your spot.
11:43
Dane: Yeah, it's very important because you know you're using uh artists from myself or whatever it is, as a person that that uh actually bringing a little different flavor to your to your um performance, right?
11:58
Dane: So yeah, I just on stage, but you know, you know what it's in the looks and they bring it over, you know.
12:05
Dane: Apparently, you know what I mean?
12:07
Dane: I I do it many times.
12:09
Dane: Yeah, play two notes quicker, poop, and they say, hey, hey, pan, man.
12:13
Dane: We never play like you by you ain't studying me at all.
12:19
Dane: I'm telling you straight up, it's some people I I tell um promoters seven, eight.
12:25
Dane: I see you do so, so I said nah, I I ain't gonna be available.
12:29
Corie: Yeah, no one coming.
12:30
Dane: They never reason, like it just don't really ain't feeling it.
12:35
Dane: But those are the experiences I will show my kids.
12:39
Corie: All right, yeah.
12:40
Corie: So they have a leg up, yeah.
12:41
Dane: Understand, like hey, you know, you must know also how to take a space and how how to stay kind of humble to where you don't want to come from, teacher you want a problem.
12:50
Dane: Oh, wait, yeah, yeah, like why you're saying, yeah, you know what I mean.
12:53
Corie: So going back to kids, what's your earliest start when you start learning to play and that kind of thing?
12:57
Corie: Alright, good.
12:58
Dane: So um my uncle, um, Steve Jemont, my my mom, um, brother.
13:05
Dane: Um he had a pan, I had a pan home now, and I was the only person who could have touched that pan at age, say about age nine, right?
13:22
Dane: Between seven and nine.
13:23
Dane: And you know, just asking you know, Uncle Steve, uh wonder him sure.
13:29
Dane: So I'd go after school, I went to Eastern Boys Government School on George Street here.
13:35
Dane: So I born and born and grew Nelson Street, kind of grew up part of a lavender, all right?
13:42
Dane: But more used to be in Nelson Street because I really grew up in my great aunt.
13:47
Dane: All right, and my mom lived in um Nelson Street.
13:54
Dane: My dad was a away, all right.
13:56
Dane: And um I will come from school trying to do my homework and whatever, because he he asked me that too.
14:05
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:08
Dane: Do your thing.
14:09
Dane: I'm gonna see it, I'm gonna see you stuff now because he will tell me dope play.
14:13
Dane: Straight up.
14:14
Dane: He was he liked that, you know.
14:16
Dane: Then cool, he do whatever it is, and then he started teaching me some little skills and teaching me certain things just to understand the instrument itself.
14:27
Dane: You know what I mean?
14:28
Dane: And my my grandmother, she knew me so well when I come.
14:33
Dane: If she didn't see me for a day or two, right?
14:37
Dane: Obvious, as a young boy, sometimes I want to play football, cricket or go and fly a kite or something, you know what I mean?
14:43
Dane: So my mom will say, nah, you're gonna do something.
14:47
Dane: But better bottom dollars when I come, come there, you know, I come and take out that pan, set it up, and I start doing my stuff, you know.
14:58
Corie: He was formally trained?
15:00
Dane: Um to a point, yes.
15:02
Dane: All right, he taught understand um skates, you know, reading music and all that.
15:08
Dane: And he started teaching me um little little stuff whilst he teaches me the instruments.
15:12
Dane: So he it taught me some things.
15:16
Dane: Um, like some people learn a piano, they don't read, right?
15:20
Dane: Be more air-trained.
15:22
Dane: Right.
15:23
Dane: All right, and um, and that memory, that muscle memory to, you know what I mean, not seeing it on a sheet.
15:29
Dane: But then he used to teach me a lot of, like teach me chords, you know, and scales.
15:34
Dane: You know, the normal Dorimis scale, and then he should teach you how to form a minor scale, and then teaching you, alright, but the chord at one, three, five, you know what I mean?
15:44
Dane: I'm gonna get too clinical.
15:45
Dane: You know what I mean?
15:46
Dane: So he just teaching us teaching me certain things and how to find the chord, you know, you know.
15:52
Dane: So um so he started over over and over doing the scales, and then he started showing me uh songs, you know, he could think and try and use the A from as early as the and he actually he used to play, he used to play with All-Stars at one time, and then he played with desperados most of his life, right?
16:16
Dane: Um and he um excellent player, but you know, some people to me um is so is great in teaching more than wanting to excel as a soloist or being out here, right?
16:35
Dane: Um used to play with Network Grand Banner at one one time, right?
16:39
Dane: By the resistance.
16:40
Dane: He used to tour a lot and stuff.
16:42
Dane: But anyway.
16:43
Dane: As an ex-band, you had to be able to play, play too.
16:45
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:46
Dane: Because you know, his music, the music based on that.
16:49
Dane: You know what I mean?
16:50
Dane: And um after a little period of time, couple, couple years in into it all, say, give or take, say maybe like 11, 12, you know, I tell them I say, well, I really feel I should, you know, join a band and he's saying, yeah, you're ready.
17:09
Dane: Yeah, he just said, Nah, I'm telling you, you're ready.
17:12
Dane: But I I mean, uh young, still and I scared because you see in Panorama, the panorama is a big, big thing, not only that.
17:20
Dane: For a 12-year-old, not like now, to be outside after six, seven o'clock.
17:27
Dane: That is pressure.
17:29
Dane: You ain't gain no chance to do that.
17:31
Dane: No, different time.
17:33
Dane: That way different time, partner.
17:35
Dane: You gain what they're coming looking for you with a whip.
17:38
Dane: Yeah, or the or that belt, that belt soaking in some urine.
17:44
Dane: But uh, my accent my mother, you know, and my aunt was real strict, but uh you know, and he said, Nah man, I will talk to talk to her for you, you know.
17:57
Dane: And whatever, whatever.
17:58
Dane: And actually the ban all-stars.
18:00
Dane: When that's around 13, the ban was down St.
18:04
Dane: Vincent Street, where the Twin Towers are now.
18:06
Dane: It's in 1979.
18:09
Dane: Right?
18:10
Dane: How long that was where the car park is now?
18:12
Dane: That is where the twin towers is.
18:14
Dane: Oh, which part of the twin towers building itself?
18:16
Dane: Right, the twin towers.
18:18
Dane: You see that that open space in the twin towers?
18:22
Dane: Right.
18:22
Dane: That that was uh a big, well, a big car park, right?
18:27
Dane: And it's the band was right where the the um the first building is on uh uh independent square, kind of right there.
18:36
Dane: Yeah, the building was the band was right there under a shop.
18:39
Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
18:39
Dane: Yeah, all stars was there.
18:41
Dane: And in 79, the band left and and uh went up to where they are right now in Jukes Street.
18:49
Dane: Right.
18:50
Dane: I was very small, couldn't you know?
18:52
Dane: Just go around the band with one one of my mother uncles.
18:58
Dane: And I remember when the band went up, I helped push the pants up and seen like a scene yesterday.
19:06
Dane: Yeah, never forget that boy Saturday evening, straight up Penbook Street, come up over time and you know, push up the pants straight up the Duke Street, straight across Juke Street, and because it had it had um houses there, older houses and stuff, we're all sizes right now.
19:22
Dane: And then 18 was the first panorama um the band had.
19:26
Dane: Now I I went into the band to play in woman and the bass, play my mom's, and then allow me to practice.
19:33
Dane: And I kind of stopped me because nah, too late school.
19:37
Dane: One of the guys to the in the band like a big brother of mine's to nah he was real close with mom and say, you gotta pause me with them bam again, one band.
19:52
Dane: Right.
19:52
Dane: And after that, I said, no, no, no.
19:54
Dane: No more pause.
19:54
Dane: I'd say, uh no thing with that, you know.
19:57
Dane: I I come in and play.
19:58
Dane: So well first, first.
19:59
Dane: Panorama was unknown band.
20:02
Dane: Unknown band is your not not unknown.
20:04
Dane: Um heat.
20:05
Dane: I could have played an unknown band.
20:06
Dane: Heat he was on stage.
20:08
Dane: Heat total.
20:09
Dane: Oh heat.
20:12
Dane: I was like, yeah, about 14.
20:17
Dane: 14, 15 years old.
20:20
Corie: So woman only base, you're running with this idea of practicing.
20:22
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:23
Corie: Tell me something for everybody listening.
20:25
Corie: At that point in time, you're talking about you're going 79 into 80, practicing for woman only base, which turned out to be one of the most iconic pan pieces ever.
20:33
Corie: What time is finished practice?
20:36
Corie: You're talking about 12, 13 years old.
20:38
Corie: Practice is you talk more leaving 6-7.
20:40
Corie: Yeah.
20:41
Corie: Well, practice now start at 7 o'clock.
20:44
Dane: So what time you what time you had then?
20:45
Dane: And um, well, in those days, yeah, we used to practice uh anytime, but I I will I will leave, leave after it's maybe like about nine.
20:53
Dane: Nine.
20:54
Dane: Okay, okay, okay.
20:55
Dane: 9 30.
20:55
Dane: Yeah, you had to go.
20:57
Dane: Yeah, you can't go the distance yet.
20:59
Dane: No, I know the distance of my modern.
21:01
Dane: Yeah, that's what I mean.
21:02
Dane: Yeah, yeah.
21:02
Dane: I gotta go.
21:04
Dane: School tomorrow.
21:05
Dane: School tomorrow.
21:06
Dane: That time I I can't wake up for school and all kind of thing, but I had to wake up because as it is late.
21:13
Corie: Yeah, different time.
21:18
Speaker 1: It paid off.
21:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:21
Dane: You go fast track.
21:22
Dane: And as soon as I start playing with the band, that time to know.
21:30
Dane: I mean, I go on doing my own personal thing and really play play with the band anymore.
21:35
Dane: Right.
21:35
Dane: You know, but I I start toy my band that and all was was um kind of problematic for me in terms of I going out to tell my parents I traveling.
21:46
Dane: So no.
21:47
Dane: Them suddenly, who taking care.
21:52
Dane: Um I went on to little school in um in Southeast, right?
21:58
Dane: After coming entrance and stuff, and a couple, a real group, and a crew of us playing in the school band, right?
22:07
Dane: But I was playing before I played since I'm primary school, right?
22:11
Dane: And um being around the band and all that.
22:13
Dane: And then I sit coming entrance and I go on school and and all that.
22:18
Dane: But a nice crew of us from Southeast start playing in the band.
22:23
Dane: So I could tell my parents, well, you know, Fitch or Yeah, have a little squad because they ask him who taking care of you?
22:33
Dane: That you all I want to know.
22:34
Dane: You know, when you and to uh parents, yeah.
22:38
Dane: Um, you know, one of the persons come to mind who, well, two of the persons actually, a guy by the name of Sonny Allen, right?
22:47
Dane: Um, he actually was our tutor in terms of sharpening.
22:52
Dane: When I say sharply, and he was a serious disciplinarian.
22:57
Dane: He was real, real into structure.
23:01
Dane: You know what I mean?
23:02
Dane: You can't be hanging out in front, yeah, because our pan yard was very close to the road at that time, right?
23:09
Dane: Duke street.
23:10
Dane: And then he just came out, you step out, you don't want that.
23:12
Dane: You come to the panyard, plus he was real friends with my grandmother, and so he then protected me all the way.
23:21
Dane: So he know, right?
23:23
Dane: But the thing is when we go on tour, he did too.
23:27
Dane: I see, right?
23:28
Dane: And then Eddie Hart, Eddie Hart, and them they was they like, yeah, but I mean, unfortunately unfortunately, Alina died, you know, Sonny had died, and um, but Eddie Eddie Hart structure near all of us.
23:43
Dane: Right.
23:43
Dane: Because when we on tour, because Eddie used to tell us straight up before you leave, I want to see the box that you're going with.
23:52
Dane: We could leave any school, we have school, yeah.
23:55
Dane: But no, no, we had to carry the box.
23:59
Dane: Yeah, yeah.
23:59
Dane: So we will take our time in the day when we don't have uh we will sell our song check on the tour because we used to do some extensive tours.
24:07
Dane: Right.
24:07
Dane: Right?
24:08
Dane: Um, England, Scotland, Burma.
24:10
Dane: I mean, young, we go in and we want to go, but yeah, make sure when they come back, school work, right?
24:15
Dane: And um they they they used to re seriously mool us, and they used to check on us like father, you know.
24:26
Dane: And then we had we had women at the time in the band.
24:30
Dane: Some of the women was a little young thing, my boy, you know.
24:34
Dane: Um, and I remember it had a uh a couple there, and they they used to more or less look look after us as the younger ones all the time, with guys all the things in order, shoots and you know, that kind of so we had we had that structure, right?
24:50
Dane: So telling my parents that are going, and this is what will happen, and also they had a common.
24:58
Dane: But I'm a great aunt not making jokes, she coming in the past to act, Uncle Jem.
25:05
Dane: She writes that is the structure.
25:08
Dane: I remember that uh telling her yesterday.
25:10
Corie: It's a big deal.
25:10
Corie: Well, just not to compare today to yesterday, but that that village and the way they embrace the youths now.
25:17
Corie: We're missing some of that in the society now.
25:19
Dane: Yeah, yeah, sure, right.
25:20
Dane: Well, yeah, uh, the village used to grow up the children, you know what I mean?
25:23
Dane: Now the children rule in the village, village pretty, and yeah, yeah, but they encourage encourage certain things, right?
25:30
Dane: Um, and and that is why to um still stick banners, tell people seriously, seriously, get your children involved.
25:38
Dane: Sporting activities or um or the pan yard, because I am seeing it till and again.
25:46
Dane: Parents coming into the pan yard to make sure the children are right, sitting or right through the rehearsal.
25:53
Corie: Well, you live through this, right?
25:54
Corie: So is you might be a good person to ask because when when I listen to always talk about songs like Blakey Steelband Clash or rather engine room that talk about what the pan yard was seen as and what the pan side was seen as.
26:06
Corie: Even the names of some of the pan sides is you know, it's old westerns and a gangster thing.
26:11
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
26:11
Corie: You know what I mean?
26:11
Corie: Pan would have been trendy bad long time, maybe you know what I mean?
26:14
Corie: That was that was maybe the energy.
26:15
Corie: It was you you would have lived through and see it shift, yeah.
26:20
Corie: Well, um where you think leads to that?
26:23
Corie: When did it start being seen as something that the rather say?
26:26
Corie: No, you're boasting to the granddaughter, the granddaughter is beat for steel pan.
26:29
Corie: When it starts to change the chit to to change in in terms of the the the bad look, yeah.
26:35
Corie: So when desperados go from bad desperados to good desperate, very good.
26:40
Dane: Um when when um our prime minister at the time, right, told the corporate Trinidad, which was Eric Williams, right?
26:55
Dane: You have to start supporting the steel bands, right?
27:00
Dane: You're a businessman, you obviously have your friends who is XYZ, as you want to call them, and you're bringing them into that steel band.
27:08
Dane: And then um people like like um, I just say like the Neville Jewels and um other other people from from even desperados without charts, right?
27:21
Dane: They start bringing us an order to the members of their orchestra.
27:28
Dane: You understand?
27:29
Dane: We want to bring the people in, but we have to have behavior to that point, right?
27:36
Dane: Now we just have it still small little thing, but it really starts changing because you want to have a great relation with the business partner, and you can't come here it's they in the band, they may be in the band Carnival Monday and Tuesday, can't people?
27:54
Dane: And then the wars are so if if um well stars hardly used to be ever fighting with with people, right?
28:04
Dane: But um, I just say because Neville Juice was a crazy kind of a dude too.
28:09
Dane: He hit your iron easy, easy, easy.
28:11
Dane: Yeah, yeah, he do he then used to play because serious.
28:15
Speaker 1: That was so crazy, you know.
28:16
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a respect to say bang bang.
28:23
Dane: That's crazy and yeah, serious Rudolph Chance was hit your hammer, that's why you call him trailed hammer, he be the man with the hammer gone.
28:36
Corie: So the hammer is out, yeah.
28:37
Corie: The hammer is not hammer and say it's hammer.
28:39
Dane: You take out you so that's how ball pin hammer, small hammer, right?
28:42
Dane: Yeah, because you're always kind of militant too, you know what I mean?
28:46
Dane: But he's serious about this, and we want to have a order, so right?
28:51
Dane: So anyway, so it's it's start changing because certain people start kind kind of quite if you want to put it um in terms of coming in, that element, bringing that element, that professional element into the band.
29:07
Dane: Plus, it's it's classical music, classical music brought on order.
29:14
Dane: All-stars um used to do a lot, all right?
29:19
Dane: And we still do it a lot of classical pieces and shows Queen's Hall.
29:25
Dane: Queen's Hall was like our home during the course of the after the carnival season, you know.
29:30
Dane: And I just think classical, it brings that's that sense of discipline to learn the pieces other than the panorama.
29:37
Dane: Panorama is a serious discipline, as we know.
29:39
Dane: Yeah, because ours, but you you you are doing a concert, right, with songs that is 10, 12, 15 minutes long, and it's not one, it's a couple pieces, a whole repertoire of classical pieces, right?
29:56
Dane: And you had to stand, not everybody read, no, people didn't used to read the music at that time, right?
30:02
Dane: So back to muscle memory, like it's so muscle memory, conductor, a conductor teaching you the actual the actual notes, right?
30:11
Dane: Note for note, right?
30:12
Dane: Sometimes they write it on the board, right?
30:16
Dane: And you um you read it, they know we've seen A, B, you know, F sharp, whatever it is.
30:23
Dane: And they know that discipline brought a sense of a pride.
30:28
Dane: You know, no, some people start accepting that wait now when come to the concert, they seen a tuxedo.
30:35
Dane: You ain't seen any no tuxedo, you know, and then it's total badger, unless you're really done godly.
30:43
Dane: Yeah, you're real youngster, you know.
30:49
Dane: And then it's no boy.
30:51
Dane: And then you hear music.
30:54
Dane: Actually, the bands are sung like total symphonies.
30:59
Dane: Yeah, real orchestras.
31:00
Dane: Yeah, real orchestras.
31:01
Dane: And people start respecting it in a little a little different at a little different way.
31:05
Dane: So when even when Carnival come, right, people saying, you know what, boy?
31:11
Dane: They from Shell.
31:14
Dane: At the time, Katani.
31:17
Dane: But they had names at you know, all right, all right, with cool.
31:22
Dane: Right.
31:23
Dane: You see hearing certain things, you know what I mean?
31:25
Dane: Then you enlighten's coming, but you're putting a if you want to put a handle to it, you know what I mean?
31:31
Dane: You put your you put your sponsor in the front.
31:33
Dane: Right, yeah.
31:34
Dane: And the sponsors now want to have that respect and uh order, you know what I mean?
31:40
Dane: Because they're you're representing them.
31:42
Dane: People start kind of understanding that, you know what?
31:45
Dane: It didn't really not go anywhere.
31:47
Dane: If you continue, you're fighting during carnival with X, the sponsor is going to get involved.
31:52
Dane: And they would help the police sponsor because they're not into that.
31:56
Dane: They're trying to help help you to make sure that you develop.
31:59
Dane: Right.
31:59
Dane: And I I think that that helped um change the dynamics uh of that.
32:04
Dane: You know what I mean?
32:04
Dane: And so the kind of music, kind of music we start, we play the same because it was an order.
32:11
Dane: Right.
32:11
Dane: You know what I mean?
32:12
Dane: People seeing you playing Tchaikovsky, you you playing, yeah, you know, you're playing music that have uh a certain discipline.
32:19
Corie: Yes, it's you see yourself differently as well.
32:23
Corie: Different.
32:23
Corie: You know what I mean?
32:24
Dane: I I I well I I lived it, I remember I I performing, no, going to perform in um classical Jewish in line here.
32:31
Dane: I mean, yeah, you go wear a suit.
32:34
Dane: Parents buy a suit, you know.
32:35
Dane: As I said, my dad is living out here, so they'll send whatever.
32:38
Dane: Right.
32:38
Dane: And he could, but do you know it is to put on a talk seed though?
32:42
Dane: They're going to Queen's Hall, there's a concert hall, hundreds of people in the hall, and you're going to perform for them.
32:49
Dane: I used to sit to myself now because I said my aunt and my mum didn't really didn't want me to play no pan like that.
32:58
Dane: He wasn't studying that.
32:59
Dane: You know what I mean?
33:00
Dane: So I remember in front of the mirror and I say, Mommy, if you could see me now, you know, I swear to God, me and I sharp.
33:09
Dane: You know what I mean?
33:10
Dane: Glaze, you know what I mean, pattern leather shoes.
33:12
Dane: And what and a nice them days, you know, it's bell.
33:16
Dane: We ring it.
33:18
Dane: You had to pull the bell to see the shoe.
33:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sharp.
33:23
Speaker 1: But you know, them all the tests on the simple sharp boy.
33:28
Speaker 1: You know, a pronoun of the brain, right?
33:34
Dane: Oh wow.
33:34
Dane: Yeah, you're really, really happy that damn boy.
33:38
Dane: I can remember four, all stars he's talking about.
33:40
Dane: And you know, something has come back from mine, you know?
33:44
Dane: I remember I really, really, really young.
33:48
Dane: Like say all of them, like the same seven, nine, and and I will see you know, all stars on the TV.
33:56
Dane: And I say, man, boy, if I just get a chance of the five, and then boom, it's like, but wait now, I hear.
34:05
Dane: I do it, you know what I mean?
34:07
Dane: You know, sometimes too, as I know we're driving a vehicle, you know what I mean?
34:11
Dane: Long time we just playing, yeah, and then all of a sudden it's but wait now.
34:15
Dane: I really driving a dream, yeah.
34:18
Dane: Yeah, so it's like that, you know what I mean.
34:21
Dane: Um, and it really was at the at the time, and the still is um, you know, a probe, probe moment.
34:27
Dane: Of course, of course.
34:28
Dane: You know what I mean?
34:28
Dane: I hear youths, like my youngest son now, Daniel.
34:33
Dane: Um Daniel, yeah, yeah, he's something else.
34:36
Dane: He's not easy, he's a treasure.
34:38
Dane: And um, you know, I I watch how some of the youth are happy, happy, happy, happy, but it's so different, like it's nothing.
34:47
Dane: Yeah, I see all yeah, say yeah.
34:51
Dane: Some will I scare because I said, no, no, no.
34:56
Dane: You practice hard enough.
34:58
Dane: In terms of performing, even yeah, performing.
35:00
Dane: You know, some people had some use, right?
35:02
Dane: I get react, it comes like nothing, but to us a long time, it was so a big a deal.
35:07
Dane: I mean some of the UCS going, but now most of the concerts we'll do in Napa, you know?
35:14
Corie: And um they they come, yeah, they they they cool.
35:17
Corie: Well, you pave the way for them or they make it that way for them.
35:20
Dane: Yeah, just smooth new road.
35:21
Dane: One thing they keep asking, I keep telling them, you know, I mean, I want to go too too fast, but um they will have like if I had to do a solo piece.
35:30
Dane: Okay, fine.
35:32
Dane: And they like some like say the youth when we have in a concert now, our junior still orchestra will do the um some of their pieces before they will start our concert, all right?
35:46
Dane: And then they will go into the audience and sit down and we're doing our stuff.
35:51
Dane: So I may have a solo piece, like, come out, I do stuff and things.
35:56
Dane: A lot of them go, I'm gonna be you don't get scared.
36:02
Dane: I might get more anxious because I practicing it all the time.
36:08
Dane: I said that's what practice does.
36:10
Dane: You know what I mean?
36:11
Dane: Because you have it.
36:12
Dane: And if I had to go wrong somewhere, I don't know how to how to come back.
36:17
Dane: I'm nearly as human.
36:19
Dane: I said, but really and truly the the the scared paddo concentrate and let's concentrate on what personally will keep putting.
36:31
Corie: And that's an encouraging thing now for me personally to see your personal stars, any any pan yard now, the average is young, young people.
36:38
Dane: Yeah, discipline is serious, body discipline, and and and but I in line.
36:43
Dane: It's sometimes you said when I'm an office, you know, and then in front of the yard, and they they'll you know, you see the parents, as I said earlier, coming in with their kids, or you see the the youths from the environs in terms of the mango roads in Nelson Street, George Street, Jukes Street, and um they come in, they come as they have the time, they come in, do the rehearsal, you know, they they they practice every day um from say like 3:30 till about six o'clock.
37:12
Dane: All right?
37:13
Dane: School over and come over.
37:15
Dane: And it's you know, it's really an honor to see how much and also how much young ladies performing.
37:23
Corie: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:24
Corie: To change too.
37:25
Dane: Change, yeah.
37:25
Dane: I mean, a lot of young ladies.
37:27
Corie: Well, you said the importance in the community.
37:29
Corie: Christine Kangle spoke about it when she's still president by the time we released this, not David, she'll still be there.
37:34
Corie: Okay, so I don't know.
37:36
Corie: Just ask.
37:37
Corie: And the man said the second prime minister was responsible for making sure Steelbank sponsored and saying he's not the first prime minister no more.
37:45
Corie: But um, in terms of the community itself and and and what that that part of Port of Spain, you know, you ask people about some of them places you talk about mangroves and things.
37:53
Corie: They have some people who will tell one story and some people who will tell a completely different story.
37:58
Corie: Yeah, the the the pan yard for you and encouraging children to be a part of it is important.
38:02
Corie: I'd ask about pan in schools because everybody who comes here and we talk about pan, we go back to the recorder being the instrument of choice in school versus the pan.
38:11
Corie: Was your thoughts on that in terms of can we get to the point where pan is what?
38:15
Dane: Yeah, definitely, but we had to spend money on on getting the instruments in this into the school.
38:20
Dane: You know, you know what I mean?
38:21
Dane: And um, like um, for instance, Eastern girls, eastern boys, they ask all the time you know for for the assistance.
38:30
Dane: All right.
38:31
Dane: Um, I saw they have they have some some pans, which is the girls' school, all right.
38:37
Dane: The boys' skill school here to get the pants.
38:39
Dane: But the other thing is this, is for um, you had to have the right tutors, you had to pay the tutors.
38:44
Dane: So if you could, if you could do that, right, in terms of all right, you have a music teacher, you teach any clarinet and whatever, make sure that they you know you have the right tutors and pay the tutors.
38:56
Dane: Because we have a lot, lots of um well-taught uh players in our in plenty of these steel orchestras, right?
39:06
Dane: Coming out of UTT.
39:08
Dane: Right?
39:09
Dane: Um, so I I I feel yes, we could we could do it by making sure that um all the primary school from primary school goes straight up to universities, right?
39:21
Dane: And um should have steel pan in their school.
39:26
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
39:27
Corie: I said I I mean I was surprised why people used to play clarinet.
39:30
Corie: That's a good question.
39:32
Dane: Some people you see you could pull up.
39:33
Dane: Now we're seeing people all over the world playing a pan.
39:36
Corie: Right, yeah, I suppose you're right.
39:37
Dane: You understand?
39:38
Dane: You ain't seen them play no clarinet going nowhere to do that.
39:40
Dane: Yeah, it's all that there's no clarinet.
39:42
Dane: I'm going to uh go.
39:42
Dane: Well, well, but recorder works, we go where you go.
39:45
Dane: Recorder thing, I'm just saying, you know.
39:47
Dane: It's tricky.
39:48
Dane: Yeah, so the pan, yeah, just came out from New York with Panorama.
39:52
Dane: You understand?
39:53
Dane: And the youths are talking Americans.
39:56
Dane: Right.
39:56
Dane: Okay.
39:57
Dane: Hard corner, Trinidad, just the parents.
39:59
Dane: Some Trinidad.
40:00
Dane: Yeah.
40:01
Dane: And some parents study from Trinidad.
40:03
Dane: From Bambi, that's Jamaica.
40:06
Corie: But one of the things I saw, right?
40:07
Corie: I traveled a good friend of mine, salute my partner Edmund Thompson.
40:11
Corie: He's that he had a uh not PCS, what's the name now?
40:13
Corie: Nutrian would be um yeah who's their side again?
40:17
Corie: Skiffle?
40:18
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:19
Dane: Skifer band.
40:19
Dane: Right.
40:20
Corie: Yeah.
40:20
Dane: So that's right, David.
40:23
Corie: No, don't say the wrong thing, you know.
40:24
Corie: You will check it for me.
40:25
Corie: Nutrian, no nutrient sponsor now.
40:27
Corie: But he lived in Augusta in Georgia.
40:30
Corie: And one of the things I found, you know, he said one day he said, Like, you go and take a sweat, you're gonna go and play some tennis.
40:35
Corie: When we go on, it's a high school tennis court.
40:38
Corie: So, what the way it worked is that once you're in a certain jurisdiction, you pay a tax, you could sign up to use the school facilities on the off times.
40:46
Corie: Right.
40:46
Corie: Okay, so you sign up, you sign up online, you pay whatever little cleaning fee or whatever it is, and we use the court for all when we come in off people waiting to use it.
40:53
Corie: And I wonder how come we we can look at models like those.
40:57
Corie: Because every community that we call in, if you had to rank up uh communities where we have problems in Trinidad and Tobago, all of them are two, three, four pan sides.
41:06
Corie: So I wonder if we can adopt models like those where because the argument is always a recorder easy to carry, a cheap.
41:13
Corie: I wonder if we can adopt models where the schools could use the pan sides.
41:17
Dane: Oh, we have it.
41:18
Dane: Already we have Trinidad All-Stars, and I know plenty of other bands um adopt that's that same model, right?
41:27
Dane: Who is this David?
41:28
Corie: I give a moment only silver stars.
41:30
Dane: Silver stars, not silver stars.
41:32
Dane: Silver stars, yeah.
41:33
Dane: Yeah, right?
41:34
Dane: So we have we have an academy, we have an academy from from age from eight to eighty-eight.
41:45
Dane: You are telling you, right?
41:47
Dane: So we have different days, right?
41:51
Dane: Different time days that we allow um people to come and and practice.
41:58
Dane: So we may have, um like I told you the the junior steel orchestra, right?
42:05
Dane: They um, and I say junior in terms of we have we have the the smaller, smaller one, we have junior, junior, all right, they may now start learning.
42:15
Dane: Right.
42:16
Dane: So they may they may get uh a couple hours to do a little you know rehearsal or whatever it is, and certain days, maybe any weekends to come on and um practice.
42:27
Dane: All right, and then we we we have the um we have a senior, like people who may like David may want to play.
42:35
Dane: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:36
Dane: Dad, David as a little uh a little senior than us, right?
42:41
Dane: So, but you might want to play pan all your life, yeah.
42:47
Dane: But different things in studies or in work and you know, manager and ex or doing whatever it is, family life, and you say no, but I really wanted to go into play.
42:59
Dane: We have um days for that period to um Friday and Saturday, and they come up, people coming out?
43:06
Dane: We have over what 30, 35 players.
43:11
Dane: That's nice, you understand?
43:12
Dane: It could be more, a whole band, yeah.
43:15
Dane: You understand?
43:16
Dane: Real, well nice, right?
43:17
Dane: And then we have we have that if you want to call the senior juniors, which is what we represent, come like the um out of school.
43:25
Dane: Okay, good.
43:26
Corie: All right, so it's the late teens or the teens.
43:28
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:29
Dane: You know, who come from Southeast and come from different schools and they have a junior steel orchestra, all right?
43:34
Dane: And they actually practice right through the year, just like because everybody with the junior juniors, they don't practice with all truth.
43:42
Dane: You know, we just have a period of time, and then we have like a graduation for them and that kind of vibes, you know, and then if they develop as as they develop, they will go into the the junior because some of the delicious they go to the senior, yeah.
43:57
Dane: Yeah, so if we have a serious structure when it comes to it it speaks well to the future of where we'll be.
44:05
Corie: Yeah, so I guess it's part of part of the discussion how to be at the curriculum level because in terms of what it's developed, yeah, yeah.
44:11
Dane: And and we we we do full full programs in terms of um teaching them um the fundamentals in terms of same thing, the chords and teaching you um the reading the music and all that, different, different little times it's good, it's good very very, very good.
44:28
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:29
Corie: So at your time going into all stars, you and Junior, you'd have been junior, junior, but you in the big band because you say you practice.
44:34
Corie: We had no right, it wouldn't have it.
44:38
Dane: None of that.
44:38
Corie: They said they could play or you could play.
44:41
Corie: Let me talk about good play now because you say you on stage.
44:44
Corie: I think heat had to be one of the most yeah, difficult.
44:47
Corie: It's difficult, it's too fast, number one.
44:49
Corie: We need to slow this down because it had to be fast this time.
44:53
Dane: You see the structures, and especially um the people that we had around us.
45:02
Dane: One time they see um you see today yesterday in us, yeah, in certain players, right?
45:11
Dane: You understand, right?
45:12
Dane: You see today, you see that little guy there, yeah, he's gonna meet you, right?
45:17
Dane: Yeah, you like to play football, you go lead thing, but they have them.
45:21
Dane: Come, bruh, and we'll drill a couple of us till we get it and serious, you know what I mean?
45:33
Dane: As soon as you come into the pan yard, something they even lay certain things out.
45:37
Dane: Um then when you come to the yard, I want you to practice this part until I come.
45:42
Dane: I come to the yard at certain time, you know, and I practice in that, practice in that because when we have a section practice, right?
45:52
Dane: Because we do stuff for panama, keep that muscle.
45:55
Dane: When we have a section practice, I want you to have it.
45:59
Dane: I want you to make sure that as a the young, younger player, I want you to have it.
46:04
Dane: Or this little group here, or they practice together.
46:08
Dane: Now they teach you also hand techniques and movements so make it easier, easier for you.
46:15
Dane: Right.
46:15
Dane: So we try doing that now.
46:17
Dane: Right.
46:17
Dane: When we have our section practice because it made some difficult for the lame person, like everything else.
46:24
Dane: Alright.
46:25
Dane: And um we have big people.
46:28
Dane: I used to be teaching.
46:30
Dane: You know, it's like you know when you're born for something, yeah, born for it.
46:35
Dane: Right, yeah.
46:36
Dane: And don't care what sometimes your way, you just know how to manage it then, how to deal with it.
46:45
Dane: You know what I mean?
46:45
Dane: I'm I mean that yes, you need somebody to structure you.
46:49
Dane: Yeah, you know what I mean?
46:50
Dane: So you hear in heat, and we seriously I don't know, all stars is all stars.
46:56
Dane: You hear any runs flying all over the place.
46:59
Corie: Every time you listen to it as a layman, right?
47:01
Corie: You say something different every time.
47:02
Corie: Up to now, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:04
Dane: And um again, I keep talking about the classical, you know what I mean?
47:09
Dane: Classical music playing it on a steel instrument, steel pan.
47:16
Dane: I'm telling you, it helps structure you.
47:21
Dane: Yeah, it helps developers appear.
47:22
Dane: Touch in terms in terms of that that that fine touch.
47:27
Dane: You know, when when when you sustain your role, right?
47:31
Dane: It must song like you press a pedal on a piano.
47:35
Dane: Yeah, sustain.
47:36
Dane: Yeah.
47:37
Dane: I remember Uncle Jim used to tell you over and over, I don't want to hear no hot potatoes.
47:42
Dane: Like you will no hot potato stay.
47:47
Dane: No, I don't want to hear that.
47:51
Dane: A song like you know, impressive.
47:54
Dane: Oh yeah, you know, I give a winning strength.
47:58
Dane: But we understand after a while.
48:04
Dane: So I just in terms of the structure.
48:06
Dane: So now after you, all right, fine, heats, and then the rest of the songs like it becomes a little easier to turn it on pieces because during the after that, during the course of the year, we have we have classical play, and you know, plenty of our tours telling the earlies use a base on um a classical tour.
48:28
Dane: Also, the tour was classical, I see.
48:30
Dane: But yeah, um, we we had a um white um conductor, Paul Hill, you know, and he was crazy.
48:39
Dane: We used to invite um conductors, you know what I mean?
48:43
Dane: And um for some of our different songs, just to bring everybody out different moods, different styles, you know.
48:50
Dane: And um when we play some some some songs, obviously go back and listen to it, it used to sound crazy that steel pan actually playing these songs.
49:03
Dane: I would just give a little history if something happened.
49:06
Dane: We're doing a song called Finale in um Fourth Movement in F minor, right?
49:14
Dane: And um by Tchaikovsky.
49:17
Dane: And we in the pan yard, we didn't even have, I don't know if you know how All-Star's Pan Theatres now.
49:23
Dane: All right, we were only there that there was a river at the time in the back.
49:27
Dane: It used to be just in the front, as I said, closer to the road earlier, right?
49:31
Dane: And those days, the tourists would come from on the ship.
49:37
Dane: Sometimes they just walk up Juk Street or walk whatever.
49:40
Dane: Different time, different time, we had a different time.
49:45
Dane: I tell you how long it is, how long it was, right?
49:48
Dane: And um, okay, so we uh Uncle Jem doing a doing a part and he doing some doing some parts and the basses.
49:58
Dane: Now, for the basses to play certain parts, um uh normal orchestra will play, you have to do something called duff tailing.
50:09
Dane: Right?
50:10
Dane: So the basses will play a bass, couple basses will play one part and you end.
50:15
Dane: So you end up so you it it's yeah, not playing in the sort of thing.
50:21
Dane: Yeah, so yeah, because you can't play all of us, right?
50:24
Dane: All right, so we're doing our part over and over, and there's a call and answer, right?
50:29
Dane: So the tenants play.
50:30
Dane: So it's some it's totally difficult, but that we'll hear, you know, normal um orchestral play.
50:40
Dane: So every time it gets silent, you hear wow, we see some people outside about four or five people outside.
50:55
Dane: And so Uncle Jam look up and said, Excuse me, it's someone kind of so he said one person says I'm so sorry.
51:06
Dane: He said, No.
51:08
Dane: So he asked to come and talk.
51:11
Dane: First thing first, the guys they come in and they're coming back.
51:15
Dane: Actually, they came off a ship and they play with a uh um with a philharmonic, with an orchestra from some part of the states.
51:29
Dane: So they asking first thing first, right?
51:32
Dane: Where's the sheets?
51:34
Corie: Yeah, you can't orchestra can't play with old sheet music in their mind.
51:39
Dane: Where's the sheets?
51:40
Dane: So uncle then things, what's the name?
51:43
Dane: And the name sorry, that's whatever, and wherever, whatever.
51:46
Dane: But we play the song and it seems shit, yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:53
Dane: You know, so it we come to ask also the violence, which is our the tenants, as well as the violence.
52:00
Dane: And the yeah, and you know that yeah, the lines we say, and so the acts to see the pan and whatever.
52:08
Dane: Plus, no, they want to act where we plug in the instrument with the amp.
52:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, with the amp, because it's this one.
52:19
Dane: So you we explain and he explain, and acoustic instruments, and you know, very percussive, and yeah, yeah, acoustic percussive.
52:28
Dane: No, what do you believe?
52:28
Dane: So he said, um he said, but I don't understand, you know.
52:33
Dane: You guys, you know, some places and some places that and the timing and so remarkable.
52:38
Dane: Some of them say, All right, let me just show you exactly what that's happening.
52:43
Dane: And he started peace.
52:45
Dane: Man said to cry.
52:47
Dane: I tell I in my I could not believe I actually see my believable.
52:56
Dane: He feels like he's some part of the world somewhere else, and this is magical.
53:02
Dane: And and Yesaka is like they could not believe because they're hearing, they hearing like strings and well.
53:10
Dane: So we explain to them, you know, how hard we practice, right?
53:16
Dane: And you know what we do, and um, the time that we take.
53:20
Dane: Yeah, or yeah, the skills, the skill that's why I'm saying the classical music.
53:24
Dane: I understand.
53:25
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:26
Corie: So that's a lot, like how it can help, how it can help a lot of us.
53:29
Corie: When you're traveling on touring at that time and you go into it's it's pretty much everywhere, Europe, all over the states, and that kind of thing.
53:36
Corie: Your reaction is like that too when you all go abroad and play.
53:39
Dane: Well, um, you remember I was saying sometime I went on a tour and uh, you know, just studying, hey, you know, this could work for me sometime, right?
53:49
Dane: We in Scotland or somewhere, somewhere out on that side, and we ain't we ain't falling, pouring.
54:00
Dane: But we had a we had a lunchtime gig.
54:03
Dane: They're showing you how the audiences, right?
54:06
Dane: Like the B square?
54:09
Corie: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:10
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:12
Dane: Lunchtime of people coming out by the way.
54:15
Dane: What people are B square?
54:16
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:17
Dane: Yeah.
54:20
Dane: And we sat in the coach and a little chilly, boy.
54:25
Dane: And we watching outside, say, hey, like we get easy day, boy.
54:32
Dane: We ain't falling.
54:34
Dane: Bam.
54:34
Dane: You know that the weather out on that side is crazy.
54:38
Dane: Real tiny place dark, and they're saying, wow, sun.
54:42
Speaker 4: Yeah.
54:42
Dane: And next thing you see, some people come out with some blowers.
54:46
Dane: Them time I knew nothing but no blow up.
54:49
Dane: You know, son.
54:50
Dane: They had the thing for a long time.
54:52
Dane: Yeah.
54:53
Dane: No easy thing.
54:56
Dane: Next thing they say, uh, guys, um set up now.
55:03
Dane: So what the hear the pants and the the truck in the new hall.
55:10
Dane: And we the coach, we ain't dressed nothing.
55:13
Dane: So we mean yeah, get set up now.
55:17
Dane: We're gonna do it in an hour, and the next hour we go, so what the heck is this boy?
55:21
Dane: Anyhow, the came all the stance because we are cool stance and the coal setup, we set up, bruh.
55:27
Dane: I not line to you, boy.
55:29
Dane: People came out with the ambulance still with rain coats, and people, I said, What the hell is this?
55:40
Dane: People come in because long time they come into the thing, come in and get the music.
55:45
Dane: You know, I ain't line.
55:46
Dane: So, what we used to do is the first part, the classical, so they understand that is what they could relate to.
55:54
Dane: Right.
55:54
Dane: You understand?
55:55
Dane: Plus, we have, as I said, we had Paul L, which is the white conductor, and we do some big pieces, but we do like about four of those big pieces, same piece I just tell you the finale, then flashy thing, we have it, and then we let go, Trinidad.
56:11
Dane: Right.
56:12
Dane: You understand?
56:13
Dane: Do some calypso, we do some reggae pieces and no normal vibes, so they could relate to whatever it means.
56:20
Dane: I ain't like it.
56:21
Dane: They don't want to leave.
56:22
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:23
Dane: They don't want to go back.
56:24
Dane: Yeah, it's only our straight up.
56:27
Dane: Boom.
56:28
Dane: I said, damn boy.
56:31
Dane: We to me at that time, and sometimes it's sellers, right?
56:37
Dane: Don't get that kind of uh response that you know from the people in here at times.
56:46
Dane: And that total, total, total respect for the steel pan as when you're when you're when you're away.
56:51
Dane: I as an individual, I perform performing plenty, um plenty shows.
56:57
Dane: And um I I I feel like Michael Jackson.
57:01
Dane: I was in Cuba and I went to Cuba to represent Massey plenty, plenty years ago.
57:10
Dane: Right?
57:10
Dane: Had some some stuff, something to do in there.
57:14
Dane: They asked for me to do something with no problem.
57:18
Dane: Typical vibes, nice.
57:22
Dane: I'm one of the persons there crying a club called Cafe Cantante.
57:26
Dane: When you're going when you're going to the club, you may more remember that David.
57:35
Dane: Um how Roxy was.
57:39
Dane: Roxy was a theater.
57:41
Dane: Right.
57:41
Dane: Remember, right?
57:42
Dane: So you walk down the theater just like that, right?
57:45
Dane: And you're going down the going on the club, and the club is a real force, wherever it is.
57:53
Dane: All right.
57:54
Dane: Certain people in Cuba.
57:56
Dane: I know Cuba certain rules, certain people could go in there.
57:59
Dane: So who is who?
58:00
Dane: Whatever.
58:01
Dane: But you told me, I thought we're going to hang out.
58:06
Dane: So now I'd walk with the pan.
58:08
Dane: Don't know about it.
58:10
Dane: Okay, cool.
58:12
Dane: I didn't take normal.
58:14
Dane: Whatever, whatever, whatever.
58:17
Dane: And then I see him, see my boy got up and went and talked to somebody in the band, the lead singer.
58:24
Dane: Right.
58:24
Dane: Cuba.
58:26
Dane: That's for information.
58:27
Dane: Yeah.
58:27
Dane: I I out of all the genres and music, I sick on Latin.
58:33
Dane: Seriously.
58:33
Dane: I love Latin music because it's so percussive.
58:37
Dane: And the music is Latin players, it's out of this world for me.
58:42
Dane: But yeah, in terms of um that tight.
58:45
Corie: Yeah, like all the instruments are the things of percussion and I will wave it out.
58:49
Dane: So he went and talked to him.
58:51
Dane: I I saw him, but I ain't think I forget.
58:54
Dane: I hanging out, I talk, you know, I do talk Spanish.
58:57
Dane: But the people there talking English and the cooler, could you know, I could be late and whatever.
59:01
Dane: And then he tells me, he said, then he would take all the pan just now.
59:05
Dane: I didn't even take all the pan to do what fear this ban.
59:08
Dane: I see you.
59:12
Dane: Come on.
59:12
Dane: I know I think bring me pan, but so I said, take all the pan and the guy born.
59:22
Dane: Dean Goldstone, only from Trinidad to Barrow.
59:27
Dane: Boy, ban started play can.
59:33
Dane: Oh, eh, yo, oh, you come over so good.
59:39
Dane: Boy.
59:43
Dane: You see that?
59:45
Dane: I am a glee.
59:46
Dane: Bought the pan.
59:48
Dane: Ask me we are plugging anything to my breast.
59:52
Dane: No, no, we're gonna plug in.
59:56
Dane: Mike.
59:57
Dane: What?
59:58
Dane: And one in The singers was um was um two young two young ladies so they're kind of closer to me and they bring the mic and they put it in line to you again and what them have is Timberleys, because they didn't use jumps, right?
1:00:15
Dane: Man of that Timberly wicked, yeah, full percussion, congers, bungos, you know what I mean?
1:00:22
Dane: A brass section down in the hole.
1:00:24
Dane: Boy, papa, oh boy, what and it boy, senior son.
1:00:33
Dane: I pop that pan button, I put a mic, and I just had to play two notes.
1:00:38
Dane: What you think mean line to you?
1:00:42
Dane: People pulling, but actually pulling my pants.
1:00:47
Speaker 1: I said shit, this is serious.
1:00:49
Speaker 1: But again, and I try this, you know, Lego, I don't need it.
1:00:57
Speaker 1: And then young ta dun ta dun dun they know that can come can up what because they ain't expecting nothing.
1:01:06
Dane: Yeah, they don't know what it is.
1:01:07
Dane: And I started as Lego too ever.
1:01:10
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:01:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're gonna be gonna go in the looking at the little sea where they're coming from.
1:01:19
Dane: The girls were saying, they've been singing again.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: The guy, you know, he walking across.
1:01:33
Corie: But that's your kind of energy too.
1:01:34
Corie: Once you get that, you go in.
1:01:36
Dane: Like the man or that's it, tanken, tanken, they're hole in there, hole in hole in and you know, um, the percussion is tanks and so you step up from the pan, and I mean singing the music self, you give hand me the cowbell, but and he started showing myself no, you you put on the banner um like a fool's half, you know what I mean?
1:02:05
Dane: Yeah, I said, damn, but this was so good, but but I ain't line and people in the club, eh?
1:02:12
Dane: It feels back, yeah, yeah.
1:02:14
Dane: You know, long time you go Zen or whatever, you people and people up a level and thing.
1:02:18
Dane: I kind of vibes now.
1:02:20
Corie: Yeah, and I said, damn, I said, hi boy, I can't even give that I always remember um I was watching this documentary he wore at the time, I think it was Triple E, and talking about going to New York and toward Liberati.
1:02:36
Corie: And he said, when they are nowhere to store the pants, he said he used to put them in alleyways and he says garbage, he said every morning they get get empty garbage out of it.
1:02:43
Corie: He said, after the first time they play, he says men sort of guard the pans now, men making sure nobody ain't throw no rubbish inside the game.
1:02:50
Corie: You know, that's how the reality had to realize the value, of course.
1:02:52
Dane: I remember, and that's him the tour tell everybody rain and thing.
1:02:55
Dane: Right.
1:02:56
Dane: Go on, go on back to London and again too, the rain little thing, wherever it is.
1:03:04
Dane: But we had to go somewhere else after we um we perform in London, whatever it is.
1:03:10
Dane: And by sticking off the pants, boy.
1:03:14
Dane: Some old two old ladies said, no, we want help.
1:03:19
Dane: No, you know, we rest down.
1:03:23
Dane: Rest on the a base.
1:03:25
Dane: One hole in one side, and the next one hole and walk and so I said, no, so let's say no, no, yeah, yeah.
1:03:37
Dane: They want to so it went from like here to out and they want to hold the plants ahead.
1:03:42
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:03:43
Corie: I wonder if we just if we feel you just take it for granted.
1:03:45
Corie: Boy, when you're from your homeland and something too, we just accustomed to it, maybe.
1:03:49
Dane: I think yeah, no, no, I I I even our music.
1:03:53
Dane: I I think um we take our music for granted too.
1:03:57
Dane: You know, people appreciate it sometimes more than you know I mean, yeah, but especially, especially the um the steel panel, and um I mean, you know, these programs it's supposed to be informative, right?
1:04:10
Dane: So so many things that I see in and and to bring the respect, especially when it comes to the youth understanding, right?
1:04:20
Dane: Like anything else, right?
1:04:22
Dane: Before we started the program, we were talking about you know little music and you know, I mean how you justify if it's good or bad.
1:04:30
Corie: Yeah, we were talking about the listeners you watch 101 list.
1:04:34
Corie: We were talking about top 101 soccer of all time.
1:04:37
Dane: Now, the only way for you to totally respect, I think, anything.
1:04:45
Dane: It had to be up in your face all the time.
1:04:47
Dane: You see it like Adidas, Adidas, you wear in it.
1:04:51
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:04:52
Dane: As you see, I kinda uh a different brand.
1:04:55
Dane: I ain't studying it so much.
1:04:56
Dane: It's good enough.
1:04:57
Dane: But I ain't studying it because you ain't talking about it all the time, or wherever it is, Coca-Cola, compared to cooking on the water.
1:05:03
Dane: No, so my point is you don't hear pan on the radio world steel pan day.
1:05:13
Dane: You ask how much radio stations play pan.
1:05:16
Dane: I tell you, maybe half, two minutes.
1:05:21
Dane: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:24
Corie: Oh, you mean unworld steel pan?
1:05:25
Corie: Okay, I'm just what you mean whole year.
1:05:28
Corie: You don't play and you whole year, you don't hear it.
1:05:31
Dane: Well not half of the year, no.
1:05:33
Dane: Yeah, you don't hear it.
1:05:34
Dane: No, the point is if you want the youth and you want Trinidad and really the world to respect this instrument, you folks have to respect it, right?
1:05:45
Dane: But you have to play it.
1:05:46
Dane: We have tons, we have plenty of music coming from all um and all genres too.
1:05:54
Dane: Right?
1:05:55
Dane: All bands, all stars have music, I have music, Andy Norrell, um, the Len Booksy Sharp, the Robert Green, Ramad Greenwich are some excellent pieces, you understand, that you could pull from.
1:06:08
Dane: I give um certain details, an idea of certain things, certain time, you know what I mean?
1:06:12
Dane: Where you could you could have a pro you could have a program where you're actually doing the song, so if you people can't understand when they're listening to the pan, you don't have to play a whole piece, you know, a whole panorama piece, you know.
1:06:26
Dane: Panorama piece is a long time, it was 10 minutes, now it's eight minutes, right?
1:06:30
Dane: It's just the the the the opening of it.
1:06:34
Dane: There's the verse and chorus and you mix into the song that they actually play.
1:06:38
Dane: You hear the catch, you hear pan and a minor, you do catch, and then you hear a pan version.
1:06:43
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:06:44
Dane: Renegades, the all-stars, the desperado.
1:06:47
Dane: We have so much music, but when the the youths and them, or the children and them hearing it all the time, say that is my own.
1:06:56
Corie: Well, you say it, you say, Uncle, one of the first things he tells you is listen.
1:07:00
Corie: Yeah, you had to be able to hear.
1:07:01
Corie: And one of my theories that just to add the way is I agree 100%.
1:07:05
Corie: But I feel as though like I was talking to Skrunter one time, and he was you know, you hear him talking uh veteran and the thing, it's not near do, right?
1:07:15
Corie: And he's saying that he said, But you know, when I go grenade, all the little school trends know take the number.
1:07:24
Corie: I said, Oh, we say there's teachers in the school.
1:07:26
Corie: He said, So they have a safety thing around the thing, and he said, take the number is a song that they use to teach the children about safety traveling home from school and that's ill talking about teaching and thing, going to Paris and uh teaching in France.
1:07:40
Corie: You talking about to the respect you get abroad.
1:07:42
Corie: I feel like sometimes we we lose the opportunity, and you say it you know, from primary school, kindergarten, even well.
1:07:47
Corie: In kindergarten, let me say you're just learning what it is called fine motor skills.
1:07:52
Corie: They will get you a xylophone or a little thing.
1:07:54
Corie: You know, I wonder how if we just miss an opportunity still.
1:07:57
Corie: Come when you're talking branding as indoctrination, you mean you know?
1:08:00
Corie: Yeah, so if if it is we just give them it from real small, make versions of it.
1:08:05
Corie: We could do, we don't have to give our child a whole base pan to the tail nothing.
1:08:09
Corie: Let them start real small because you do it.
1:08:12
Corie: Exactly.
1:08:12
Corie: When I watch and just the research for coming today, right?
1:08:17
Corie: I couldn't believe you was practicing with all stars with women on the base.
1:08:21
Corie: I say, nah, man, I say I had the age wrong.
1:08:23
Corie: I told myself something irritating.
1:08:24
Corie: Yeah, I say, let me check your GPT, something cabby right here.
1:08:27
Corie: And I see heat now looking for, I say how to be able to see him somewhere else.
1:08:30
Corie: Something right.
1:08:31
Corie: But it's because you know, every everybody who and the skill don't necessarily have to be or the mastery, whether it's music, it's whatever it is.
1:08:39
Corie: If you if you look at the the uh Chinese people in Trenda, I always admire Chinese people in St.
1:08:45
Corie: James, the children involved in the business from small.
1:08:48
Corie: Yeah, they're coming home from school.
1:08:49
Corie: There was one little girl from convent, she used to come and she cash in.
1:08:52
Corie: Well, she cash in the 11 years old, 12 years old.
1:08:55
Corie: She learned logistics, uh, inventory, customer service, sales.
1:09:01
Corie: You know, so if we know the legacy living on it, of course it's gonna live on.
1:09:04
Corie: Yeah, no.
1:09:05
Corie: And the legacy go live on whether she gets all she passes, she didn't think she a day, she has business.
1:09:10
Dane: Oh, that is right.
1:09:10
Dane: And I'm a call living proof technically that I my biggest son, well, not my biggest son here.
1:09:22
Dane: I have two big boys that live in Canada.
1:09:24
Dane: And they into they into RB dancing.
1:09:29
Dane: Oh, seriously the teacher.
1:09:31
Dane: Oh, yeah, they do um, yeah, right in schools and stuff.
1:09:35
Dane: And um they used to play a little bit when they when they're here.
1:09:38
Dane: Right when when they was living here, and um, but they get more involved in in that that side of it, right?
1:09:45
Dane: And was here um the Nielsen and Daniel, the Nielsen is the bigger of the two here.
1:09:53
Dane: And Denise, the Denison is a percussionist for a team band.
1:09:57
Dane: Right um and I remember the Nielsen asking me, as I said, I love Latin music, play a little percussion, you know, like congas, bongos, and at times I used to be just home and just practices and he used to um ask me daddy, just show me how to rule and that showing him and he trying, he trying, whatever it is, because from very tender age, I showed him to play the pan.
1:10:27
Dane: Right.
1:10:27
Dane: But he was always interested in the percussion.
1:10:29
Dane: And just you know, in school sometime, and he going up and he tell me, Daddy, I could be all stars drummer some sometime, you know.
1:10:39
Dane: I say, just how to practice, you know, and he ended up playing drums for the band.
1:10:44
Dane: Right, yeah, you know what I mean?
1:10:45
Dane: And he went UTT and and then um you got all his subject, all everything in terms of he's a percussionist.
1:10:53
Dane: Right, yeah, you understand?
1:10:54
Dane: He understand it, and I tell him just push.
1:10:58
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:10:59
Dane: You want to do it, I push it into it.
1:11:01
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:11:01
Dane: Now you towing the wool as a percussionist, you understand me.
1:11:06
Dane: I just saying, and you as you rightfully say, you know, you know, you seen that Chinese girl, she comes in there, that legacy that's staying in there.
1:11:13
Corie: Yeah, but I don't know if you watch what we have as a legacy sometimes as one nine, you know.
1:11:18
Corie: Yeah, as one nine, as one line, as one love.
1:11:20
Dane: I don't know if it's so business oriented, some of us, or yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:11:23
Dane: But I yeah, I don't know if it's I feel like we just feel like we it's shameful to for them to continue where you like where you live, they live in, you know what I mean?
1:11:35
Corie: Yeah, we must explore that.
1:11:36
Corie: We had to find the finding.
1:11:37
Corie: We gotta get we gotta get to the bottom of it.
1:11:39
Corie: We had to like us for sure, for sure, for sure.
1:11:41
Corie: Some of us do him like ourselves.
1:11:43
Corie: Well, I'll tell you how much I'll tell you, I'll tell you what they like coming, David, because when I see that's a bong seven kayso blues, and I said, Nah boy, there's a man I had to get to talk to, so I'm coming and see Danny you can do the interview.
1:11:53
Corie: You say, Yeah, you're gonna do it.
1:11:54
Corie: And you take my phone to save your name, and he put in Dane Gunson All-Stars.
1:11:58
Corie: That's it.
1:11:59
Corie: That's Brandon for your money.
1:12:03
Corie: Yeah, then you put all stars.
1:12:09
Dane: I'm proud to be uh a part of that.
1:12:11
Dane: I'm alive, you know.
1:12:13
Dane: I mean, um, they help really mold me.
1:12:17
Dane: You know, I mean, being a party come like uh like Barcelona, yeah, you know, I mean Real Madrid or whatever.
1:12:23
Dane: That's just me, I just proud of that because I'll be walking sometimes on flat bush.
1:12:29
Speaker 1: Expecting nobody to tell all size.
1:12:33
Dane: I go in a store.
1:12:34
Dane: I'm just real, this serious too, boy.
1:12:38
Dane: I go into a bar is in Miami, no, in New York.
1:12:43
Dane: I go into a bar cool, wherever I'll buy something.
1:12:46
Dane: Two my patron saved me to buy by presenting.
1:12:49
Dane: So I go on to pay.
1:12:51
Dane: Go on to pay for the thing.
1:12:53
Dane: I'm answering.
1:12:55
Dane: Are you a lady actually?
1:12:56
Dane: Nah.
1:12:58
Dane: Nah, why are you here?
1:13:01
Dane: Come here and take a photo in my phone.
1:13:02
Dane: So take a pap.
1:13:04
Dane: I don't know the person.
1:13:05
Dane: Say, no.
1:13:07
Dane: So you know all stars.
1:13:09
Dane: You say all stars, my thing, and then sort of talk about this and everything, and Monday just come and play.
1:13:14
Dane: And I feel I see my lad.
1:13:16
Dane: I away, and I didn't try to add it on a bit.
1:13:18
Dane: So I that is why you know I kind of brought to be.
1:13:23
Dane: So I say all stars, you know what?
1:13:24
Dane: You know me, but still, say in case you might ask more dance in the any.
1:13:30
Dane: Yeah, maybe.
1:13:31
Speaker 2: But let me see what you want, nice one, nice one, that's you.
1:13:37
Corie: So I'm going I'm going back in the early days, right?
1:13:39
Corie: You're playing with the band, some of the most iconic pieces as I say, unknown band was the woman on the base.
1:13:43
Corie: Even that would be in branded.
1:13:45
Corie: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
1:13:46
Corie: You're talking about a look that you get to the front line, also.
1:13:50
Corie: You know, it's it's a brand.
1:13:51
Dane: Yeah, a bride.
1:13:52
Corie: Yeah.
1:13:52
Corie: So you start touring on your own from teenage days, you say, so from very, very young.
1:13:57
Dane: Well, I actually start touring on my own.
1:14:00
Dane: No, start touring with the band and teenagers.
1:14:04
Dane: First.
1:14:04
Dane: The first, yeah.
1:14:05
Dane: And then um I start doing little solo pieces in the band itself, a classical um solo piece now.
1:14:15
Dane: Jerry Jemon.
1:14:17
Dane: Again, you know, we uh I was saying one of the guys sealed, he was saying today, yesterday, and Uncle Jem in classical music.
1:14:26
Dane: When you when you have when you have that's uh a part of play on your own, like a cadenza, you know?
1:14:32
Dane: Alright?
1:14:33
Dane: So you he might say, All right, Dolly Face is a caller, you're gonna cannot date Dolly Face, all right?
1:14:44
Dane: You playing that today, but then he's telling you you playing, you playing that as a player will play in a group, as you know, it's a different thing to playing that on your own where nobody and everybody listening to you.
1:14:59
Dane: Nobody in helping you practicing that as you wake up before you brush it, teeth, before you baby, before you do whatever.
1:15:10
Dane: You just try it.
1:15:11
Dane: Once you could get it, and I mean those days, you could take your instrument.
1:15:15
Dane: I didn't have a pan home, but I'll take my my pan from the bar and have it home.
1:15:20
Dane: When he tell you you had a place, so uncle Jam, but then he's seeing it, you know, yeah, you have yeah, you know, you had the skill to do it on your own, you know what I mean?
1:15:31
Dane: So that kind of started me to want to be that individual player, you know what I mean?
1:15:38
Dane: Then when Uncle Jam um were no longer in the band, the band itself outs, you know, then you know we had a guest soloist for festival, right?
1:15:50
Dane: Or we must do a a solo piece in one of our concerts, you know.
1:15:57
Dane: We think, yeah, we could try it.
1:16:00
Dane: Yeah, try it.
1:16:01
Dane: Trying.
1:16:02
Dane: I was doing that kind of thing.
1:16:05
Dane: And that well, one of the um one of our conductors, Julian Balantulo, she was a perfectionist.
1:16:14
Dane: God bless her soul now to pass a pianist off the chain.
1:16:19
Dane: She will practice for about three, four hours non-stop.
1:16:25
Dane: Since we hear from the start of the interview, she practicing and she will practice one line for three or one over and over.
1:16:36
Dane: So she's you know, and she will drill me till I'm telling them my fingers, my hands just hurting it.
1:16:42
Dane: I understand why.
1:16:45
Dane: So you have it, but yeah, you ain't have it yet.
1:16:49
Dane: You have it into skill, but you not that so be getting you know, you get into that and say understand, all right.
1:16:57
Dane: And then that kind of break me out into now wanting to even just be a normal freelance at that kind of improvisation and and understand that vibes, you know.
1:17:09
Dane: I mean, so I will um in my arranging.
1:17:11
Dane: Sun Valley, and I had my stuff do songs and stuff for all stars off and on.
1:17:19
Dane: Right.
1:17:19
Dane: And if I don't know something, I go and talk to Smooth.
1:17:22
Dane: Leon Smooth had was our arranger.
1:17:24
Dane: Smooth, you know, if you hear, what do you think we'll use to do X?
1:17:29
Dane: And you will just tell you, you know what I mean?
1:17:31
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:17:32
Dane: Yeah, you can use this code here, we'll use this scale here.
1:17:36
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:17:37
Dane: And that um that will bring you into a transition into X, you know, why everybody is.
1:17:43
Dane: So yeah.
1:17:43
Dane: So yeah, yeah, I have the people are around me to mold me and yeah.
1:17:49
Corie: I want to talk about some of them influences, but I I remember it, and only tell me from my memory bad, right?
1:17:53
Corie: I think the first time I would have seen you, and and you uh it's so funny you bring up brand in because you start to realize that hey, this individual is a brand.
1:18:00
Corie: Yeah, I want to say is was it pan in the 21st century used to be in this in the complex?
1:18:06
Corie: There was a show, there was a show in the complex where the bands used to play classical pieces.
1:18:09
Corie: It was like a competition.
1:18:10
Dane: And I died, yeah.
1:18:11
Dane: Um Pan is beautiful.
1:18:12
Dane: Banners Beautiful, where one, two, where you're gonna be.
1:18:16
Dane: Right.
1:18:16
Corie: And you would have played them that play solos there and that kind of thing.
1:18:18
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
1:18:18
Corie: So I think that's yeah, yeah, that one of the things.
1:18:20
Corie: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
1:18:21
Corie: Yeah, nice when you know something in red.
1:18:23
Corie: When you see that solo, it's like crazy.
1:18:26
Dane: But one of I I think to um just after, I mean, all that little period with the classical play with all stars or representing, right?
1:18:35
Dane: All right, I think what um more or less made me more of if you want to call Dean Goldston after Scouting for Talent.
1:18:47
Dane: When I did Scouting for Talent, one Scouting for Talent in '96.
1:18:51
Dane: And then right after that, um, I started performing with kids, and then we had Panas players.
1:18:58
Corie: Right.
1:18:59
Dane: Panas, Panas, you know, yeah, you had Papel, Barbie by Ptolemy, thing, and you know, um Natasha chose it.
1:19:08
Dane: So we had a nice, uh nice and crew.
1:19:10
Dane: And that I think kind of more or less propelled me into our um now because we we were doing a whole different scene.
1:19:20
Dane: Yeah, yeah.
1:19:21
Dane: Yeah, it was unique.
1:19:22
Dane: Yeah, Panas was a whole different ball game.
1:19:24
Dane: What was the original video?
1:19:25
Dane: What was the Genesis?
1:19:27
Dane: Well, Pannah Panas came out of Pan Ramachy, right?
1:19:32
Dane: And um, but we have a actually we we have a documentary out now, which just should be.
1:19:38
Dane: Yeah, yeah, you love it.
1:19:39
Dane: This is another yeah and um we wanted to go panorama she just because the competition yeah it it it was kind of based on that individual group.
1:19:59
Dane: Small, smaller songs.
1:20:01
Dane: Right.
1:20:02
Dane: Right.
1:20:02
Dane: And I remember Barry Bartholomew and Yuan Popel.
1:20:06
Dane: They put a little group together.
1:20:09
Dane: Now we really were supposed to go coming out coming out, go to the competition as someone as a group coming out of all stars.
1:20:18
Dane: All stars was really at that time not into that.
1:20:23
Dane: You know, like you're breaking down the group into small, small no.
1:20:26
Dane: All stars are big.
1:20:27
Dane: And we they so Barry and and Popweather kind of handpick people that they want.
1:20:36
Dane: Flam Lawrence, it'll play Sudmay, whatever it is.
1:20:40
Dane: And we had a good relation with with um with Potential Symphony.
1:20:45
Dane: And so Barry and MCW, we gotta go like potential because again now for what we see a show.
1:20:54
Dane: Nice and put little um relation.
1:20:56
Dane: And we start we start um practicing with with um potential.
1:21:02
Dane: Had um one of the players, which is Natasha, we had Donnell Thomas, which is basic small elute, you know.
1:21:09
Dane: Um took two players from Desperados.
1:21:12
Dane: So we had a nice and mixed team.
1:21:14
Dane: And alright, went to the competition, won the competition.
1:21:18
Dane: All right.
1:21:19
Dane: So okay, we won the competition as potential.
1:21:24
Dane: Let me see, you know what?
1:21:25
Dane: You think we should kind of vibe the thing on my own?
1:21:29
Dane: And we came up with a name, you know what I mean.
1:21:33
Dane: Also, the name didn't come yet, I see.
1:21:35
Dane: I see, yeah, and Barry, Barry and Popel working, you know, the same and their own little vibes, and they you know, they wanted um to merge that that name of the pan and jazz for panaz, you know, P N S Z.
1:21:51
Dane: And that that is how Panas came.
1:21:54
Dane: And now um Dr.
1:21:57
Dane: Bartholomew, Barry's um father, all right.
1:22:01
Dane: So, well, you know, you have uh space, offices by the savannah there, all right, German Avenue there.
1:22:08
Dane: Um practice, we get some pants, we get, you know, June has to make some pants for us and stuff.
1:22:15
Dane: And we came up with our own little group, and from there, just Hopelby ended up winning, win, winning Ramage like like four times straight.
1:22:22
Dane: And then we say, you know what?
1:22:24
Dane: We done with the competition.
1:22:26
Dane: Yeah, because we it's just you know what um made us a little unique, right?
1:22:35
Dane: Um, one, the players, all right.
1:22:42
Dane: I mean, all right, are here, so you know, people were hey, tall man, boy, yeah, you were born there.
1:22:49
Dane: Oh god, you get some good kicks with but you know, um, again, uh coming back to where um I was before in terms of saying, you know what, I I always kind of come out and look in.
1:23:11
Dane: What missing?
1:23:13
Dane: You know, see you know what?
1:23:16
Dane: One, yeah, that whole energy, the whole thing with the vibe.
1:23:19
Dane: So you had to bring it, you know what I mean?
1:23:21
Dane: And to to for the people to really focus on you, you had to have something different.
1:23:28
Dane: You had to have that energy, you know what I mean?
1:23:31
Dane: Yeah, flamboyant too, and then you know, behind the instrument.
1:23:35
Dane: So all that came into that flavor came into panels.
1:23:38
Dane: Popel's excellent player, and we had some really, really serious players, playing with the band who understand too, you know, understand the music.
1:23:47
Dane: You know, the musical content is first.
1:23:49
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:23:50
Dane: When you're dealing with harmony, you want to do things different, song different.
1:23:54
Dane: And then when you're attacking your solos to all of that, you know what I mean?
1:23:56
Dane: So that brings that that whole sense of difference.
1:24:00
Corie: I understand, yeah, understand.
1:24:01
Corie: Yeah, from there is your face, yeah.
1:24:03
Corie: So the face no people paying for things for in bar when they see it, isn't it?
1:24:06
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:24:07
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
1:24:08
Speaker 1: I remember I was sculpting as you say that too, right?
1:24:16
Dane: Scouting as it's cool, it's nice, yeah.
1:24:18
Dane: Nice, you know, whatever, and everything.
1:24:20
Dane: And someone saw me walking on Frederick Street.
1:24:23
Dane: Say, you just see a Jessu.
1:24:27
Dane: So you mean this court?
1:24:30
Speaker 1: You just stay there, you're walking on Frederick Street, you just star.
1:24:34
Speaker 1: I said, Yeah, but I got a walk on Frederick Street.
1:24:40
Corie: You only walk like you're the flow dumb, you're the flow dumb, you can walk you in a normal man.
1:24:48
Speaker 1: I said, damn boy, I got the fun play, but I go no one.
1:24:56
Corie: I said, Yeah, you just walking on Frederick just so you know, boy, you just say in Cuba they wanted to touch the hem in their garments, you have a book and read that and both of them.
1:25:07
Corie: We will set when I started playing with kitsch.
1:25:10
Corie: Would let me talk about some of them influences because of an influence.
1:25:15
Dane: But kitsch was a different individual when it comes to um honoring pan.
1:25:23
Dane: Share a little thing with kitsch.
1:25:26
Dane: We doing um, but I mean, I just uh I started with kitsch, and I hold a little different little way too big.
1:25:32
Dane: Kind of, if you don't know how could say I could beg, boy, you could say begging in a way because no, not him personally.
1:25:40
Dane: I knew um a guy called Sonny Woodley, right?
1:25:44
Dane: Right?
1:25:45
Dane: Yeah, so it was managing tent.
1:25:46
Dane: Yeah, yeah, imagine it.
1:25:48
Dane: And um and um what's the other guy's name?
1:25:54
Dane: I can't remember any name right now, but anyway, right?
1:25:56
Dane: And Sonny play with catch boys.
1:26:03
Dane: Yeah, I mean they could handle that man.
1:26:05
Dane: Says Sonny.
1:26:08
Dane: No, Brooks used to perform with him at that time, right?
1:26:12
Dane: So Professor used to perform with him before, and then Professor went on doing more.
1:26:17
Dane: I was um arranging and Brooks also used to do it him on give my place.
1:26:24
Dane: I'm uh you say um I hope I would I'll tell him them days we had no cell phone.
1:26:29
Dane: Right?
1:26:31
Dane: I'll call him and let you know whatever blah blah blah blah.
1:26:35
Dane: Okay, you could come down on the tent Sunday, yeah.
1:26:40
Dane: You send some wherever music, how they send the music, whatever it is.
1:26:44
Dane: All right.
1:26:45
Dane: So I ain't hearing little stuff on the radio, and so I go down on the tent Sunday.
1:26:52
Dane: Now that Sunday that we will sell, and they also had um I can interview people coming to child for the tent and stuff.
1:26:59
Dane: Right.
1:27:00
Dane: So kids things say boy, I I see you and scouting enough, but I hope you can handle it.
1:27:10
Dane: So I think and I done I might think my head.
1:27:17
Dane: Yeah, I had impressed you because you're the grandmaster, you know what I mean.
1:27:22
Dane: What when the rehearsal but I could know when I come out this when I could have tool tool then.
1:27:35
Dane: You say when you um I playing past that I hearing that the main one, which is the um the band chorus and wherever and wherever think think.
1:27:48
Speaker 2: He said, Yo, yo, you're you're you're you're you're playing too much.
1:27:54
Dane: So he said, Alright, and you just tell me from that bit.
1:27:59
Dane: So I then say he tell me I'm playing too much, but I know if I played, I didn't, you know.
1:28:05
Dane: So that only feedback you playing too much.
1:28:08
Dane: I played too much.
1:28:08
Dane: Right.
1:28:09
Dane: But people were scrapping and he said, Yeah, young boy, what boy thing and then blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
1:28:16
Speaker 2: So me and he say yeah yeah yeah yeah, you know top practice choose it to her inside.
1:28:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem.
1:28:33
Dane: What they come in hot and sweaty, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:28:37
Dane: But then so he take it whatever, whatever.
1:28:39
Dane: But yeah, yeah, what was total seal now and uh playing in the tent.
1:28:44
Dane: Like in thing in the tent and wherever it is.
1:28:47
Dane: Kitch said me and I he said yeah, you lost travel.
1:28:54
Dane: I say, yeah, and I was play with all stars, so so you know where I'm gonna let you know.
1:29:06
Dane: So those days I used to work at the airport.
1:29:11
Dane: I used to play football and thing too.
1:29:13
Dane: I used to play football.
1:29:14
Dane: Right.
1:29:14
Dane: The airport's authority.
1:29:15
Dane: Next thing home, like they call on the job.
1:29:23
Dane: Right?
1:29:24
Dane: Then um Sonny and Kitchener here.
1:29:28
Dane: Home by me, right?
1:29:30
Dane: And then on Juke Street.
1:29:32
Dane: I used to live on Juke Street, mangoes, apartments, and stuff.
1:29:36
Dane: And um I say, what?
1:29:40
Dane: Yeah, no car, nothing else.
1:29:43
Dane: So yeah, he said, nah, you know, wait till that's pass, and whatever.
1:29:47
Dane: It was it actually was um Sunny Kitch and the dancer at the time, Gail.
1:29:54
Dane: Right?
1:29:56
Dane: Like rush down the road fast as I could take a I didn't take bus and come down the road, boy.
1:30:04
Dane: I let the bus stop out by the airport and I can't come down the road, the road, boy.
1:30:11
Dane: So I walk, I know a problem, I'm come down the road, think, think, think, think, thing.
1:30:15
Dane: Come up, um, come up Charlotte Street, cut across Duke Street, and as I walk in and I reach by the bridge, people, a couple of people, dead.
1:30:27
Dane: I see the Grandmaster, what by you?
1:30:29
Dane: I said, yeah, you catch there, you're catching up by me.
1:30:34
Dane: And I see this um is Lefan Drive Park up on this side of the road.
1:30:40
Dane: I said, but get you already here, but in front of my house, mate.
1:30:44
Speaker 1: I walk in, think, thing, thing, go on, open my door, and a thing, and thing.
1:30:48
Speaker 1: Kitchen has the dung so with a glass of mob.
1:30:54
Speaker 2: Glass of glass help me um can look a job.
1:31:06
Speaker 1: I wear it, but I don't know.
1:31:08
Speaker 1: I am a bath in the kitchen in my house, boy.
1:31:12
Speaker 1: Kitchen in place, boy.
1:31:15
Speaker 1: Okay, same.
1:31:20
Dane: Yes, sonny, yeah, yeah, kid, yeah, yeah, sir.
1:31:22
Dane: You see, I bring him for you.
1:31:23
Dane: You see, I bring him in.
1:31:24
Dane: I said, boy.
1:31:26
Dane: Well, you sunny man, you know.
1:31:30
Dane: Think things, your kitchen.
1:31:32
Dane: Kitch said, um make a travel.
1:31:38
Dane: So we go and send Thomas.
1:31:40
Dane: You can make that just so in my head.
1:31:45
Dane: I said, yeah, well, where do we be going?
1:31:51
Dane: I I had to leave first, he ain't going on a plane.
1:31:54
Dane: Oh seriousness of life.
1:31:56
Dane: He comes in, yeah.
1:31:57
Dane: We come to do it, partner.
1:31:58
Dane: Kitchener come.
1:32:00
Dane: Them days yeah, the E the ticket.
1:32:03
Dane: So you bring in your ticket.
1:32:04
Dane: You bring some spending spending money.
1:32:08
Dane: You know, you see, yeah.
1:32:11
Dane: You go meet me up there.
1:32:14
Dane: You and Gail.
1:32:16
Dane: Thing and thing and thing.
1:32:17
Dane: I still could not believe.
1:32:19
Dane: He inside of my house or not.
1:32:22
Dane: He left.
1:32:24
Dane: I walk him outside, going in the car, Sonny going with him, Gail going, and I like, oh yeah, everybody.
1:32:33
Dane: Easy man.
1:32:35
Dane: There's how much people outside to meet sketch because kitchener comes by the end door and coming out.
1:32:47
Dane: But when we go out, but I wish I was like people out of the day.
1:32:49
Dane: I said, boy, this thing's a serious thing, right?
1:32:59
Dane: From there saying what boy.
1:33:01
Dane: I I had a I had a sharp moment.
1:33:03
Dane: Different world.
1:33:07
Dane: Different, total different world.
1:33:09
Dane: We in St.
1:33:10
Dane: Thomas.
1:33:11
Dane: I mean, I mean cool with it and me.
1:33:14
Dane: The vibes, kitchen is a thing, they all bap bab bab bab.
1:33:20
Dane: You see, you want to go and get something to eat, but he wanted any hotel, it's about place he does go.
1:33:26
Dane: I mean walking on the street, boy.
1:33:29
Dane: I never forget that one, boy.
1:33:32
Dane: Them days have the little yellow Kodak camera thing where you had a screw.
1:33:41
Speaker 1: I walk on the catch.
1:33:42
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch you.
1:33:46
Speaker 1: Let me look like the man, like the man of the thing, think, think.
1:33:49
Dane: A man actually stopped kitchen.
1:33:52
Dane: Asked him, God, please uh he do have a camera and run in a store and buy one of the cameras.
1:33:58
Dane: Boy, I take the photo.
1:34:00
Dane: Yeah, yeah, no, buddy, me and butch now the man, damn yeah, take up, take out, take out.
1:34:08
Dane: Because when they take out wherever, maybe I had about 20 shots of kind of some kind of thing like that.
1:34:12
Dane: Him take all take out that thing.
1:34:14
Dane: David said, Wow, boy.
1:34:17
Dane: So catch telling me now.
1:34:18
Dane: He said, Them them is the people coming to see me later.
1:34:25
Dane: So yeah, yeah, he had to do things for fans.
1:34:29
Dane: It's them paying him.
1:34:32
Dane: We walk up to the place one sit down and eat.
1:34:38
Dane: Right?
1:34:39
Dane: When we come back, near the same thing again.
1:34:43
Dane: Well, people that see him and wherever, you know.
1:34:46
Dane: Kitchy, just talking to him in that photo, but you know, say, wow, boy, kitschy.
1:34:51
Dane: And yeah, but he used to always be there.
1:34:54
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:34:55
Dane: So when the new kitchen are coming or whoever is spiraling, stuff in the coast.
1:35:01
Dane: Yeah, it was me.
1:35:03
Dane: Um Bazam, like um I'm like Baron, Kitch, um, my boy, um bring him picking, uh, crazy.
1:35:15
Dane: Yeah, yeah.
1:35:15
Corie: When telemas here, you're song about the two telemetry.
1:35:17
Corie: So that was the first place he traveled to, you know.
1:35:19
Dane: Yeah, um, right after, right after Carnival.
1:35:23
Dane: Right, that was his first show there, yeah.
1:35:24
Dane: And then we may go like go New York or something.
1:35:28
Corie: So you see the difficulty now that you tell that story, David.
1:35:31
Corie: You see the difficulty with this 101 list?
1:35:34
Corie: When they when they're saying cultural impact, right?
1:35:37
Corie: We discussed in this whole night last night, it's real, real difficult because I don't know if people might understand how big a star kitchener really people know, might know they just don't they carry labels.
1:35:48
Corie: Um no, the kitchener not on the list.
1:35:51
Corie: I think sugar bowl movies units are on the list, yeah.
1:35:54
Corie: Right.
1:35:56
Dane: But um, I mean, if you want to get into that a little bit, um the reason for it, I I feel no, we deal we deal with it era at a point, but again, is who really saying and judging, you know, what should what where you know, if it's good or bad, where it should go or where it shouldn't go, right?
1:36:25
Dane: And how you're totally judging it.
1:36:26
Dane: Yeah, you talk about crowd response now, but I I see it.
1:36:31
Dane: I perform in Madison Square, Admit Kitch, you know what I mean?
1:36:34
Dane: Um, and other places too.
1:36:38
Dane: And it's people like sand too.
1:36:41
Dane: You understand what I'm saying, right?
1:36:42
Dane: But then some of the some of the songs, I think also the artists themselves, not in the artists, but the radio personalities, they really don't understand the music that's going over the head too high.
1:36:57
Dane: Yeah, music.
1:36:58
Dane: Musically.
1:37:00
Dane: Because you can't compare some of these songs with kids, not one of kids songs, not one.
1:37:07
Dane: For me, not one.
1:37:09
Corie: None.
1:37:10
Corie: Listen, I I to keep bringing back up Pelom, but something he said, and you were talking about it before you start recording too.
1:37:15
Corie: Where the music comes down to rhythms now.
1:37:17
Corie: Yeah.
1:37:17
Corie: He said rhythm is the foundation, and but it's more it's basic.
1:37:24
Corie: And then you learn harmonies and then you learn melodies and songs.
1:37:28
Corie: But but the rhythm now become a big thing.
1:37:30
Dane: Yeah, but the dominant thing.
1:37:31
Dane: Yeah.
1:37:32
Dane: And one of the other reasons, right?
1:37:35
Dane: Kitch again is a great example.
1:37:37
Dane: Could you use a stutter when he's when he's speaking?
1:37:40
Dane: Or when he's singing here, stutter, yeah, yeah, right?
1:37:43
Dane: And he could sing, he could go through the, you know what I mean?
1:37:46
Dane: No, but it's like kids, right?
1:37:49
Dane: How much of the artists today, right, is musicians?
1:37:56
Corie: Right.
1:37:56
Corie: So, yeah, right.
1:37:59
Dane: You will see how much of the producers today's musicians or artists or DJs, yeah, and your music, so one, and how much artists could really sing, yeah.
1:38:11
Dane: Like sing, they're saying the voice.
1:38:14
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:38:15
Dane: You know that for sure.
1:38:16
Dane: The show winner, right?
1:38:18
Dane: It comes like blacks, any genre of music.
1:38:20
Dane: Destro.
1:38:24
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
1:38:24
Dane: Terry.
1:38:25
Dane: You understand?
1:38:27
Dane: Um, Fayanne, right?
1:38:30
Dane: And we have others.
1:38:31
Dane: Um Patrice can handle stories.
1:38:35
Dane: Uh at the same quality, yeah.
1:38:39
Dane: Right?
1:38:39
Dane: No, what they're saying, though, and you listen to listen to a lot of their their productions, all who are called there, right?
1:38:49
Dane: Now, Marshall, Marshall had a foundation, right?
1:38:53
Dane: You will hear a different, um, a total different vibe, the kiss.
1:39:00
Dane: And as you're saying, shifting through some of the chords now.
1:39:05
Dane: They're saying one little thing.
1:39:06
Dane: Even if you have a uh uh uh a three or four chord progression other than rhythm, you could hear them moving into because the them chordial structure bring different moods.
1:39:22
Dane: The rhythm can't don't bring mood.
1:39:24
Dane: It only tells you this is the beat.
1:39:29
Dane: This is where we're going.
1:39:31
Corie: Yeah.
1:39:31
Corie: In a sense.
1:39:32
Corie: So, from a theory standpoint, it's one of the reasons why we might have to mix the songs fast, you might not, the songs might last long in your mind.
1:39:39
Corie: David, we get back on track, right?
1:39:42
Corie: But let me get an example.
1:39:43
Corie: Now we have to be a kitchener in terms of the yeah, we are tracked.
1:39:45
Corie: His music, the the the the the his compositions is uh things are marvel at.
1:39:52
Corie: But I always marvel at the simplicity of some of the kitchen.
1:39:55
Corie: So give me the thing is a song that comes to mind, right?
1:39:58
Corie: It's in a set of chords, two, three chords.
1:39:59
Corie: But so much music in it that the voice does a piece of work, it gives it gets some space.
1:40:06
Dane: Kitchener is chords, partner.
1:40:07
Dane: Reason for that, used to play the upright bass.
1:40:10
Dane: Just show you a little thing with the kitchen up.
1:40:12
Dane: Right?
1:40:13
Dane: Par night and day.
1:40:15
Dane: Right?
1:40:16
Dane: Kitchener used to lie to your fan, listen to Fan China and stuff, right?
1:40:22
Dane: Right?
1:40:23
Dane: When you're here, um I know the end is near.
1:40:30
Dane: And so you face the final good end.
1:40:32
Dane: Right?
1:40:33
Dane: Good, right?
1:40:34
Dane: Right.
1:40:35
Dane: And Kitchener, but plan I don't lie.
1:40:39
Dane: Pa da dopa da da.
1:40:44
Dane: Same change.
1:40:46
Dane: And now the end is near.
1:40:49
Dane: This one face same.
1:40:51
Dane: I just say you should listen to a lot of music.
1:40:53
Dane: And you get who's the mood, as soon as you change your code, it has changed in that vibe.
1:41:01
Dane: Now, I've seen all of that.
1:41:02
Dane: Some people say, partner, people don't want to hear all of that.
1:41:07
Dane: That is what they tell you.
1:41:09
Dane: Of course, it's too much.
1:41:11
Dane: It's because you get lazy.
1:41:14
Dane: You understand?
1:41:15
Dane: And that's happening all over the world.
1:41:17
Dane: It's not only just trying to that.
1:41:19
Dane: I just say me because we just had people that jump and whine, and then they just say, you know, um kind of kind of crazy thing they want to say, you know.
1:41:29
Dane: Yeah, yeah.
1:41:30
Dane: Just bubble and cool.
1:41:32
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:41:33
Dane: No.
1:41:34
Dane: I'd be there, we just as I say bubble.
1:41:36
Dane: If you listen to him, young brother.
1:41:40
Dane: Young for me, this is me personally, I'm just saying, I think he had nice little vibes because he has a nice little voice too.
1:41:52
Dane: You understand?
1:41:53
Dane: Yes, hear and some nice little nice little changes and make it even last longer than plenty of the other songs and any modern time.
1:42:03
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:42:03
Dane: Michel Tejel.
1:42:05
Dane: Nice little little flavour.
1:42:08
Dane: Yeah.
1:42:08
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:42:08
Dane: Because they carry any music in the in that in that vibe.
1:42:11
Dane: I remember Stalin saying we doing a doing a show somewhere in New York, and you know, you just get a chance to sit and talk with them, man.
1:42:21
Dane: And he's saying some of the most of them only doing festival music.
1:42:26
Dane: Right.
1:42:26
Dane: Just for that time, make that, but they ain't doing things to last.
1:42:31
Dane: Like black man come out a party.
1:42:34
Dane: Nearly 40 years.
1:42:38
Corie: You understand?
1:42:39
Dane: You ain't hearing that again.
1:42:40
Corie: Yeah, I don't think I'm not sure.
1:42:41
Corie: I'm not sure that the well, some you call some.
1:42:44
Corie: Yeah.
1:42:44
Corie: And you know, the unique thing you call her what's so the so many names you just call.
1:42:47
Corie: Let me use Teja as an example.
1:42:49
Corie: I'm looking forward to talking to him at some point.
1:42:52
Corie: But I always find it he doesn't know what he's doing now, but it's grounded in something.
1:42:57
Corie: Because when I hear, I feel Lorraine is one of the most difficult songs.
1:43:00
Corie: It has something you can't interfere with.
1:43:02
Corie: Lorraine is one of them songs.
1:43:04
Corie: But he takes and make a version of Lorraine now that's bad.
1:43:08
Corie: That's gonna last forever.
1:43:10
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:43:11
Corie: Yeah, Lorraine.
1:43:16
Dane: It's just fine a vibe, creative, yeah.
1:43:18
Corie: Just find a vibe.
1:43:23
Dane: No, you had to be creative.
1:43:25
Dane: Faith to last, you had to show that you know you really and truly spend some serious time into the thing.
1:43:32
Corie: Of course, yeah.
1:43:33
Corie: Could you rhythm?
1:43:33
Corie: It could box in.
1:43:34
Corie: It could box in.
1:43:36
Dane: Yeah, it could box in, get monotonous, you can't fight.
1:43:40
Corie: But before David and them kill, I'd get to some all-stars things again, right?
1:43:44
Corie: Because again, uh talking about that that going for that tripeat with heat and not winning.
1:43:50
Corie: If I feel heat, heat for me would have been the greatest, one of the greatest performances I ever see in Panorama.
1:43:55
Corie: I hear you say hammer was your favorite.
1:43:57
Corie: No, no, unknown band.
1:43:58
Corie: Unknown band?
1:43:59
Corie: Yeah.
1:44:00
Corie: Just as a first two.
1:44:01
Dane: Yeah, no, but my real first playing stage because I was practicing all that time.
1:44:07
Dane: But unknown and we're about to beat heat, right?
1:44:13
Corie: But unknown is your favorite all-stars.
1:44:14
Corie: Unknown band.
1:44:16
Dane: Serious?
1:44:16
Dane: Unknown is something else, boy.
1:44:18
Dane: Now I love heat bad.
1:44:19
Dane: Yeah.
1:44:19
Dane: Bad heat is always on too boy.
1:44:22
Corie: I wish I could go back in time and be on the track for heat.
1:44:24
Corie: You know when it's slowed up before they go on stage?
1:44:26
Corie: Yeah.
1:44:26
Corie: That might have been a pace.
1:44:27
Corie: All the other bands was playing on the stage and all they was on the track.
1:44:30
David: Yeah.
1:44:33
Dane: Smooth rarely and truly capture the the whole that whole um picture of somewhere burning burning off.
1:44:43
Dane: Visually too.
1:44:44
Dane: Visual.
1:44:44
Dane: And you know all stars.
1:44:46
Dane: People don't know.
1:44:47
Dane: But all stars really, you check it.
1:44:50
Dane: Right.
1:44:51
Dane: All stars is is is one of the first to bring that that sense of real theater on the stage into steel, into panorama, you know.
1:45:03
Dane: But with heat, the what you see in there, right?
1:45:07
Dane: Is actually four um fire extinguishers underneath the floor.
1:45:17
Speaker 1: Watch that, yeah.
1:45:18
Corie: Watch it, I thought it was a smoke machine, only smoke.
1:45:21
Speaker 1: It's not no smoke machine, then no shit.
1:45:23
Speaker 1: Smoke machine, you man, you got that for who could have bought it better than HMZ.
1:45:31
Dane: Yeah, you have smoke machine, solid like four.
1:45:35
Dane: Yeah, but they think four, right?
1:45:38
Dane: It's actually is um two.
1:45:41
Dane: And we put we put um um pipe, right?
1:45:46
Dane: I don't think it even had PVC yet.
1:45:49
Dane: So we put some pipe pipe yet.
1:45:55
Dane: So we have some pipe tied up with a hose, with the holes, right, right, put the nozzle through it, right?
1:46:02
Dane: So we had we had the pipes at the ends of this at the at the floats, right?
1:46:07
Dane: Right, the four sides of the holes.
1:46:09
Dane: So when you pull the underneath, the guy who was driving the float underneath, but we beat him, but then get in.
1:46:19
Dane: And that's siren, it's not a song like a siren coming.
1:46:24
Dane: Ah, let's play it up.
1:46:26
Dane: No, that is creative.
1:46:28
Dane: Yeah, I think extremely creative.
1:46:30
Dane: For sure.
1:46:31
Corie: Yeah, and that would have been play last two days.
1:46:33
Corie: The heat would have been then, or that would have been hammer.
1:46:37
Dane: We play last.
1:46:38
Dane: Yeah.
1:46:39
Dane: Ah, heat, if I ain't mistaken, we play like we're boy.
1:46:46
Dane: You play maybe like about about about six, seven, something of it.
1:46:51
Dane: Oh, okay.
1:46:51
Dane: So yeah, get nightfall to share smoke to it.
1:46:54
Dane: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:46:55
Dane: I remember we play in Burgundy and White, and half of the band come out, come coming off the stage, we all white.
1:47:02
Dane: Thing fallen.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: Very soon, remember that.
1:47:07
Speaker 1: Oh my yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:47:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
1:47:13
Dane: I remember uh mom and them and them and things that they come in the water and I don't burn here for the sale, yeah.
1:47:21
Dane: So men jump off the stage too.
1:47:25
Corie: Yeah, because it's a burner that is hilarious.
1:47:31
Corie: Um was one of them too.
1:47:38
Dane: Come forth, yeah, yeah.
1:47:40
Corie: I think they had it all for me that time because the year was um I think it's Dennis Plummer was he was winning.
1:47:50
Corie: That was 87.
1:47:51
Corie: Yeah, that meant that was he had better.
1:47:52
Corie: So it's Boogsie, yeah, Boogsie.
1:47:54
Corie: Boogsie, I think Beverly and them come to the supposed to or second, just Renegades.
1:47:59
Corie: Renegades, yeah.
1:48:00
Corie: I think both them play Panini Minor and Boogsy had played.
1:48:03
Corie: Place two, yeah, yeah.
1:48:04
Corie: What's the song again?
1:48:06
Corie: The Dennis Plummer song.
1:48:07
Corie: It wasn't woman, it's both.
1:48:08
Corie: It was that nah.
1:48:10
Corie: Nah.
1:48:11
Corie: 87 um feeling nice.
1:48:14
Corie: Feeling nice, feeling nice?
1:48:16
Corie: I got telling me, make sure.
1:48:19
Dane: I think it's feeling nice.
1:48:21
Corie: Yeah, very nice following too, no.
1:48:23
Corie: But you have it in your mind.
1:48:24
Corie: You're only coming off the stage, yeah, feeling nice.
1:48:26
Corie: You have yourself as winning when you finish it, curry?
1:48:29
Corie: Yeah, yeah, sure.
1:48:30
Corie: Oh boy, and then you come in the top three.
1:48:32
Corie: That's why I had a action before before they pull me out.
1:48:34
Corie: What is about all stars?
1:48:36
Corie: Uh, the pieces, you're talking about soccer and forever music now.
1:48:39
Corie: All stars had to have as one of the bands some of the most forever pieces.
1:48:43
Corie: Yeah, pieces, memory.
1:48:46
Dane: I think, I think um the way smooth are arranged first thing first.
1:48:52
Dane: I think everybody have their own tees because um I listen try and listen to everybody.
1:48:58
Dane: You know, uh my uh two favorite arrangers is Smood and Clyde Bradley.
1:49:03
Dane: Clyde Bradley, yeah, because Bradley is one of them less is is more easy to just construct his whole thing.
1:49:11
Dane: But smooth is is cannibal spirit right through.
1:49:16
Dane: I love that.
1:49:17
Dane: That cannibal catch you like one time.
1:49:20
Dane: Most of Smooth introductions and ending is out of this world.
1:49:26
Dane: I I think he captured the cannibal spirit in the in the majority of his his songs, you know.
1:49:34
Dane: A song that that um would have been a masterpiece.
1:49:40
Dane: I I that's just my opinion, right?
1:49:43
Dane: That had some serious controversy was Panini Rukum Kutum.
1:49:48
Dane: When you listen to Pan and the Rukum, maybe had some problem in in house little problem because Smooth left right after that.
1:49:56
Dane: And um, so it had some so he didn't we just call it the unfinished symphony, you know, and the the way he captured that you know ding dum can get it's just it's just different, it's just he he really different.
1:50:12
Dane: No woman on the bass um is the is the national anthem a pan, if you want to call that, and it's because of the simplicity and that that vibe, you know what I mean?
1:50:26
Dane: The the the the actual total capturing the the the whole mood of that woman and that that woman and the bass like the original and they hear any the melody is real original, yeah.
1:50:40
Dane: And you know, smooth didn't want to go with woman and the bass.
1:50:43
Dane: No, no, smooth wanted to go with some kitchener, some um kitchener or sparrows song and it's fight out of fight because those days they used to um consider those songs as party songs, as much as the thing about about um woman and the bass and uh span, wherever it is, right?
1:51:04
Dane: A party flavor, so smooth and one of the and it kind of changed uh yeah that that that that whole vibe of of our writers was the kitchener or the sparrow or something like it, it's super super blue kind of vibe.
1:51:18
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:51:19
Dane: But because kitches all pan, right?
1:51:22
Dane: Right, yeah, yeah.
1:51:23
Dane: You know, and um that that that made that that um that breakthrough with woman on the bass.
1:51:29
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:51:29
Corie: And the recording last question, because they got surely poor we out now, David.
1:51:33
Corie: We do we do a good enough job, David.
1:51:35
Corie: Close to good, and you know, we don't say you're coming back already.
1:51:37
Corie: So we had that we had that sealed that plenty more thing in the still coming.
1:51:40
Corie: No, yeah, can I is a great time to um yeah yeah, but that actually because the the one on the bass that we play on the radio now is a recorded studio version, a slowed down version of it when the stage was actually no, yeah.
1:51:54
Corie: That well, I mean original original, yeah.
1:51:58
Dane: It's just different temples, yeah.
1:51:59
Dane: We actually played it slow, right?
1:52:01
Dane: Right, and we record that in the pan yard.
1:52:03
Dane: Oh, is in the pan yard?
1:52:04
Dane: Is that the game?
1:52:04
Dane: There's a hundred players playing that woman on the bass.
1:52:08
Dane: Hundred because we um that at that time they only allowed a hundred players.
1:52:14
Dane: So it might be about a hundred and maybe ten players, right?
1:52:18
Dane: And we were practicing in the yard.
1:52:20
Dane: I think that was a sand recording or something like that.
1:52:23
Dane: And they they they recorded any pan yard slow.
1:52:26
Dane: Yeah, yeah, in the back where we are now, yeah, yeah.
1:52:30
Corie: So I asked front of a meeting.
1:52:31
Corie: Say which one was your preference, the the the tempo version for panorama or the slow version.
1:52:37
Dane: Well, no, but I mean, I as a player, obviously I would like the let go, yeah, yeah.
1:52:41
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:52:42
Dane: Yeah, but but it's the slow version um makes you understand what um smooth the picture was really trying to um to bring out in the in the in the song, and you can understand the parts too, you know what I mean?
1:53:00
Dane: You you're hearing the middles, you're hearing the basses actually talking, that call and answer with the tenors, you know.
1:53:06
Corie: Yeah, you can hear it, particularly for the layman, because like I see youths are so all stars.
1:53:09
Corie: Some band I was playing in the other day, and they launched the launch stop.
1:53:13
Corie: They had all stars, they just had one float.
1:53:16
Corie: Yeah, yeah, and people they played some song and thing, but youths, youths, young people come in and it's like, whoa, woman on the base, all you play woman on the base, and then they played it.
1:53:24
Dane: Ah, so it came back to what I was talking about before.
1:53:28
Dane: Right.
1:53:28
Dane: You hearing women in the base all the time on the radio, that you can make women on the base that actual version radio, yeah, so popular.
1:53:37
Dane: I remember I'm in in Miami, went to Miami for a carnival plenty years ago.
1:53:43
Dane: And as I walk into the place, somebody just invite me.
1:53:47
Dane: Yeah, my day, my line, so so, so, so, it's coming, I come in.
1:53:52
Dane: As I walk in, they put on the woman in the base, you know.
1:53:55
Dane: And that is when it now starts playing on the radio, like everybody has woman in the base.
1:54:04
Dane: You know what I mean?
1:54:05
Dane: And everybody starts now.
1:54:07
Dane: Uh now it's stance, party done.
1:54:14
Corie: And we don't like it's how to finish it.
1:54:15
Corie: That's how to finish it.
1:54:17
Speaker 1: So the thing going on then, boy.
1:54:19
Speaker 1: What you doing?
1:54:20
Speaker 1: No, don't do that, no man.
1:54:21
Speaker 1: Leave it until we go in and I died for me to keep it in my head.
1:54:25
Dane: So no, go be just playing it, you know what I mean?
1:54:28
Dane: I'm just showing you.
1:54:30
Dane: No, no, no, no, we're playing it.
1:54:32
Dane: I understand it.
1:54:33
Dane: I understand.
1:54:33
Dane: Did children children suck it in?
1:54:36
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:54:37
Corie: Well, brother, thanks for a million.
1:54:38
Corie: This this was a this was a great pleasure.
1:54:40
Corie: I don't tell him just for my wife's sake, right, David.
1:54:44
Corie: When we when we we get married during COVID, and we had a few years of go, and the only thing the DJ could do is play woman and based.
1:54:51
Corie: So you play every minute a woman and he based on his and then the wedding starts over because I don't start our party for me.
1:54:57
Corie: But this was this was a pleasure.
1:54:59
Corie: This was a pleasure.