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- 0:00Taxes drive nearly every retirement decision.
- 0:04It's critical that you review your investments at least on an
- 0:08annual basis, if not more frequently.
- 0:10And what you're really reviewing is how is the overall
- 0:13allocation? Income planning matters more
- 0:18than portfolio performance. Have a purpose in retirement
- 0:22because I've seen it over and over again.
- 0:25It'll create vibrancy in your retirement.
- 0:27Probably the most frequent question that we get asked as
- 0:31financial advisors, when should I take Social Security?
- 0:36Welcome back to another episode of Retire and Thrive.
- 0:39Cami is absent today. She'll be in and out over the
- 0:41next few weeks. So today as we've finished up
- 0:44Cami and I the series on the book, we did 24 episodes.
- 0:48Today is episode 25. And today what I'd like to share
- 0:52with you is the feedback we've gotten, and maybe some of this
- 0:57will tie directly into the top ten retirement lessons.
- 1:02And so today will be a little bit more specific or a little
- 1:05bit more what I would refer to as tactical.
- 1:08So without further ado, let's dive in.
- 1:10The first lesson is retirement is a mindset, not a finish line.
- 1:16What I mean by that is when I look back over my career, often
- 1:20times people feel like once they hit retirement, they've made it.
- 1:24And I like to refer to it is retirement isn't necessarily a
- 1:28finish line or a destination, but really it's a journey.
- 1:32And again, we talked about in Lesson 1 of the book about
- 1:34enjoying the fruits of your labor.
- 1:37And this kind of ties into that, that it is a journey.
- 1:40And as you approach, or in fact, if you are retired, that you
- 1:44need to embrace this chapter. This is the chapter that you've
- 1:47worked so hard for. And so it really is focusing
- 1:50more about the mindset. And it's not so much I've
- 1:54reached the end here or the destination.
- 1:56So Lesson 1, retirement is more of a mindset, not a finish line.
- 2:03The second lesson that I think is very critical, getting into
- 2:06more of the financial side of this is that cash flow creates
- 2:10freedom. So let's just step back for a
- 2:12minute and let's talk about that cash flow.
- 2:14So cash flow, if you think about it this way, when you're
- 2:17actually working, you're actually receiving a paycheck
- 2:21every single pay period, whether that's once a month, every two
- 2:24weeks. And so that's what we refer to
- 2:26as cash flow. Once you retire and that
- 2:29paycheck stops, then you need to focus on where is my income
- 2:33sources. In other words, oftentimes
- 2:35people look at their overall nest egg or portfolio, if you
- 2:40will, and there's typically a number that people associate
- 2:44that with. Like once I reach a certain
- 2:46amount, then I'm good to retire. But as we talked about in
- 2:50previous episodes, it's not so much about how much money you've
- 2:53got, it's more specifically about the income that you have.
- 2:57So it's about living off of the income.
- 2:59In other words, if you've got an asset that's worth $1,000,000,
- 3:03be it your portfolio or real estate or even your home for
- 3:07that matter, it's not necessarily the value of the
- 3:10asset that matters, it's the income that that asset
- 3:13generates, which I'll touch on one of the other lessons here
- 3:16today as it pertains to that. But just remember that when it
- 3:20comes to retirement, the cash flow is ultimately what gives
- 3:25you the freedom. The third lesson is taxes.
- 3:29You know, we spent a lot of time talking about taxes and I think
- 3:32this lesson I would just title taxes drive nearly every
- 3:37retirement decision. So what does that mean?
- 3:40Why does taxes drive every retirement decision?
- 3:44Because quite frankly, nobody wants to pay the IRS more than
- 3:47their fair share. And again, we've all worked very
- 3:50hard for our money. So once we get into retirement,
- 3:53taxes do make a significant difference.
- 3:56In other words, when you are in your working years, you know, I
- 3:59look at it and I kind of decipher and I say you're either
- 4:02in the accumulation phase or you're in the distribution
- 4:06phase. And in that distribution phase,
- 4:08once you get in retirement, that's when we're distributing
- 4:11some of these assets. And when it comes to taxes, I
- 4:15look at things from a fairly simplistic standpoint and the
- 4:18taxes are either into one of three categories.
- 4:22They're either fully taxable like you might find in various
- 4:26retirement accounts, or they might be partially taxable, like
- 4:31let's say that you opened up an account and it's non retirement,
- 4:34but you may pay some taxes on the dividends and or capital
- 4:37gains or third, it's completely tax free.
- 4:43And so why does that matter? You've got money that you've
- 4:45never paid tax on. Again, typically in a in a pre
- 4:48tax retirement type of an account, like a four O 1K or A4
- 4:51O 3B, then you might have some non retirement assets that
- 4:55periodically could kick out capital gains and dividends.
- 4:58And then the third bucket or the third tax type, I should say, is
- 5:02the Roth IRA, which is completely tax free.
- 5:05And how does that drive retirement decisions?
- 5:08Quite frankly, what you want to do is you want to take a look
- 5:12and specifically get an idea of what your total income is.
- 5:14That could be from a pension, it could be from Social Security if
- 5:17you've got other assets, maybe it's real estate income.
- 5:21But when you Add all that together, take a look at what
- 5:24tax bracket that you're in. And then from there, it may make
- 5:28sense to continue to tap from the pre tax that you've never
- 5:31paid tax. Or maybe it makes sense to pay
- 5:33some capital gains. Or quite frankly, if it's going
- 5:36to push you into the next bracket, maybe it makes sense to
- 5:40tap the Roth IRA accounts so that there's no tax on the Roth
- 5:45distribution, which would not put you into the next bracket.
- 5:48The 4th lesson that I want to talk about today is that
- 5:52investment review is not optional.
- 5:55That's how I'm going to coin the title of that.
- 5:57And what that basically says is you must review your investments
- 6:01frequently. Now what that basically is
- 6:04saying is as you approach retirement, things get a little
- 6:06bit more complicated. Your distribution strategies are
- 6:09going to change. I just talked about in Lesson 3,
- 6:11some of the tax implications may change.
- 6:13And quite frankly, we live in a world today where we've seen
- 6:17lots and lots of volatility and things do change very rapidly.
- 6:20So it's critical that you review your investments at least on an
- 6:25annual basis, if not more frequently.
- 6:27And when we say review, what are we looking at?
- 6:30Are we simply looking at the value went up or the value went
- 6:32down? No, that's not it at all.
- 6:34What you're really reviewing is how is the overall allocation?
- 6:38Does it suit my needs overall, economically?
- 6:42Are there some adjustments that should be made to the portfolio,
- 6:46whether it's specifically in the fixed income part, the equity
- 6:49part, or maybe it's the cash part?
- 6:51And again, I don't want to go too deep into this.
- 6:54Certainly we could dive deeper into each one of these lessons.
- 6:56I'm just hitting these kind of on a high level, but ultimately
- 7:01you want to look at your allocation and then potentially
- 7:04make minor adjustments. I said minor, not big
- 7:06adjustments based on the economic conditions, whether
- 7:10that's to increase or or underweight certain asset
- 7:13classes or for example, it may mean focusing a little bit more
- 7:17on shorter term investments that may provide that liquidity that
- 7:22we were talking about from the cash flow.
- 7:26The 5th lesson that I want to just talk about is that your
- 7:29withdrawal strategy matters more than the 4% rule.
- 7:34So this ties back again to Lesson 3 when we were talking
- 7:36about cash flow. So let me take a step back here.
- 7:39What are we talking about the 4% rule?
- 7:42Well, there's been lots and lots of studies that have been done
- 7:47that usually talk about a 4% rule.
- 7:50And, and the 4% rule is simply saying this.
- 7:53If you were to take historically, if you were to
- 7:55take your portfolio and put half of it into stocks, half of it
- 8:00into bonds and you just Simply put it into indexes and you let
- 8:04it sit there. Historically, you would have
- 8:08been able to pull out 4% every year and increase that amount
- 8:14every year by 3%. And historically you could have
- 8:18continued that in perpetuity, meaning forever.
- 8:21Now that doesn't mean that that's going to be the case
- 8:23going forward. I'm just simply referring to the
- 8:25studies that have been done have shown that 4% withdrawal rate is
- 8:30something referred to as a sustainable withdrawal rate.
- 8:32In other words, again, I like to use simple numbers here, but if
- 8:36you had $1,000,000 portfolio and you pulled out $40,000 per year,
- 8:41IE that 4%, that's that 4% rule. Now the actual rule in Lesson 5
- 8:48is your withdrawal strategy matters more than the 4% rule.
- 8:52So why is that important? Well, quite frankly, if you're
- 8:56in your mid to late 70s, that 4% rule might not apply to you
- 9:00because quite frankly, your life expectancy is going to be a lot
- 9:03shorter maybe than someone who retired in their mid 50s.
- 9:08So the strategy in and of itself is more important than the 4%
- 9:13rule. I think it's important to keep
- 9:15that 4% rule into mind. But looking at your overall
- 9:19strategy in terms of withdrawal rates and basically at what
- 9:23stage you are in retirement is probably more important than
- 9:28just simply saying the 4% rule. Now lesson #6 is probably the
- 9:34most frequent question that we get asked as financial advisors.
- 9:38And that question is when should I take Social Security?
- 9:44We get asked that question all the time and I don't necessarily
- 9:48like this answer, but the answer is it depends.
- 9:52So I coined this title. Social Security decisions can
- 9:58ultimately impact your overall retirement up to A6 figure
- 10:03dollar amount. In other words, this is a very
- 10:06critical decision as you approach retirement.
- 10:09So again, in the essence of time, I won't go through all the
- 10:12rules and all the nuances of this, but let me just start with
- 10:15a couple here. First and foremost, the window
- 10:19to pull out Social Security starts at age 62, and you can
- 10:25defer it as long as age 70. And you might be asking, why
- 10:30would I delay it? Why wouldn't I just take it all
- 10:32up front at 62? Well, because if you continue to
- 10:36delay it every year beyond 62 up until your full retirement,
- 10:41everybody's got a different full retirement based on to their
- 10:44age. But right now, the longest or
- 10:47the oldest full Social Security retirement age is age 67.
- 10:52So let's just go with age 67. So you can take Social Security
- 10:56between 62 and 67 in this example, and every year you
- 11:00delay it. It's not exactly 7% a year, but
- 11:02it's very close. So if you're going to get a
- 11:05certain amount at 62 and you delay it till 63, you will get
- 11:09an additional 7% increase at age 63.
- 11:12Wait till 64, you get another 7% increase all the way up until
- 11:16age 67. Now even further from 67 to 70.
- 11:22In those three years, the government or Social Security
- 11:26will actually give you an increase of 8%.
- 11:30Again, think about it from the government's perspective.
- 11:32Every year that you delay it, that's less money that they're
- 11:35paying upfront. I realize it's going to be more
- 11:38money for them down the road. And so which is the better
- 11:41answer? Do I delay it until age 70 or do
- 11:43I take it right away at 62, or some combination in between?
- 11:47Again, going back to the original first answer, it really
- 11:50depends. There's a lot of factors that go
- 11:52into this. First and foremost is your
- 11:54overall health, what you feel like, your longevity, if we
- 11:57could tell how long we would live makes this decision a lot
- 12:01easier. Second component that ties into
- 12:04that is your spouse. If you are married, is your
- 12:08spouse younger than you or older than you?
- 12:11Did your spouse make more income or less income?
- 12:13And all of those factors definitely play into that
- 12:17decision. So why is that probably the
- 12:20number one question that I'm asked?
- 12:21Because I think it has potentially the greatest impact
- 12:25in retirement. Lesson #7 I'm going to title
- 12:28income planning matters more than portfolio performance.
- 12:34So income planning matters more than portfolio performance.
- 12:40So I would say the majority of us, and I'm quite frankly guilty
- 12:43of this as well, focus more on how much money did My Portfolio
- 12:48grow this last month or this quarter or quite frankly, how
- 12:51much did it grow in the last year.
- 12:53And what I'm trying to say is that's all important because
- 12:57down the road that does matter, but focusing on income matters
- 13:02more than your portfolio performance.
- 13:04So let me give you an example. If your portfolio grew by 8% and
- 13:09you ignored when to take Social Security, if your portfolio the
- 13:14next year only grew by 5% versus 8%, how big of an impact does
- 13:18that really make versus your Social Security, which I said
- 13:21earlier could be up to A6 figure income decision depending on
- 13:25longevity. So we tend to focus on the cash
- 13:29flow. In other words, the income is
- 13:32what you're going to live on, not the performance of your
- 13:35portfolio. Don't get me wrong, performance
- 13:37is definitely important, but I feel like a lot of that is just
- 13:41kind of socially talking about your portfolio.
- 13:46You know, you're at a party and you want to talk about your
- 13:49portfolio was up 12% or you did 11%, somebody else only got 9.
- 13:53And I hear it all the time. They talk about what My
- 13:55Portfolio performed, but nobody ever says, by the way, I've got
- 13:5990% of all of my expenses covered through all income
- 14:03sources. And again, whatever those income
- 14:05sources may be, nobody talks about that because it's not it,
- 14:09it, it, it doesn't grab people's attention.
- 14:11Like My Portfolio was up X. And So what I'm trying to say
- 14:15here in this lesson is that income planning matters more
- 14:20than portfolio performance lesson #8 your plan should
- 14:25adjust yearly. And what I mean by that is
- 14:30everything changes. So I can use all types of
- 14:33scenarios. But when we build out these
- 14:36retirement plans and we're looking at the overall
- 14:38performance of portfolios, we're looking at incomes, we're
- 14:41looking at withdrawal strategies, we're looking at
- 14:45inflation, all of these nuances, all of these things that affect
- 14:49people once they retire, the plan needs to be looked at at
- 14:54least on an annual basis because things do change.
- 14:58And again, I mentioned a few, but health changes, maybe there
- 15:02was an inheritance that was received, maybe a home got sold,
- 15:07maybe a cabin was purchased, maybe there was a home that got
- 15:10purchased down in Florida or whatever it might be.
- 15:14And then we talked about inflation and we talked about
- 15:16performance and we talked about income sources.
- 15:19At the end of the day, every plan needs to be reviewed at
- 15:23least every year. And #9 and this is kind of my
- 15:28rule that I try to live by, and that is simplicity creates
- 15:33confidence. Often times what I find in my
- 15:36own personal life as well as portfolio is the more things
- 15:40that I'm juggling, the more balls that I have in the air
- 15:42that I'm trying to figure things out, it starts to kind of eat
- 15:45away at me. And sometimes it just makes me
- 15:48feel uncertain or lacking confidence.
- 15:53And So what I'm trying to say here is sometimes all of the
- 15:57complexities sometimes can be very overwhelming.
- 16:01And So what are some examples? I would say one example might be
- 16:06is if you have multiple accounts scattered, especially in
- 16:10retirement, it's really difficult to know with multiple
- 16:14portfolios at different locations what 1 portfolio is
- 16:17doing towards the other. In other words, is the left hand
- 16:21talking to the right hand? Are they In Sync?
- 16:24Does one balance out the other? That's one area of concern.
- 16:29And if you're using different advisors to help you with that,
- 16:32maybe one advisor is very bullish and the other one could
- 16:34be very bearish. So they might actually not be
- 16:38working together harmoniously. They may actually be acting in
- 16:42the opposite directions. Secondly, as you approach
- 16:45retirement, as you get closer and closer to a specific age,
- 16:50currently at age 73, there's something called the required
- 16:52minimum distribution RMD, as we refer to it.
- 16:56And the RMD simply says, look, you've been deferring this
- 17:00income, IE in your retirement accounts for 73 years or for
- 17:07most people, it's been the majority of their life.
- 17:09So let's just say you start working at age 2053 years,
- 17:12you've never paid tax on that money.
- 17:15So eventually the IRS says, OK, Mr. IRA Holder or Missus 4 O 3B
- 17:20Holder, you've deferred this income long enough, now it's our
- 17:24turn to start receiving income on that, IE taxes.
- 17:29So at age 73, they're going to force you to start pulling money
- 17:32out based on current law. So what does that have to do
- 17:35with anything? If I've got three different
- 17:37accounts at three different firms, they each will have to
- 17:40calculate what that required minimum distribution is.
- 17:44And so it's three separate phone calls, it's three separate
- 17:47meetings, it's three separate emails, whatever it might be, 3
- 17:50separate checks, three separate 1090 nines.
- 17:55And so sometimes just keeping things consolidated and simple
- 17:59can make a difference. And the last lesson I want to
- 18:03talk about in lesson 10 is purpose keeps people vibrant in
- 18:08retirement. I feel like when people are
- 18:11working, they do have a purpose. And whatever that purpose may
- 18:14be, whether it's they've climbed the corporate ladder, whether
- 18:17they've, you know, went out on their own, started their own
- 18:20business, whatever it might be. But often times when you're in
- 18:24your working years, that's where people are focused on what is my
- 18:28true purpose? But once we hit retirement,
- 18:32everything changes. Everything changes from the
- 18:35standpoint as maybe some of your best friends were your
- 18:39colleagues that you used to work for or work with, quite frankly.
- 18:43Maybe those colleagues were people that you hung out with,
- 18:46went to dinner with, periodically did things with.
- 18:50Also, as you worked your way up in the workforce, maybe that's
- 18:57part of what your purpose really was, is I want to make a
- 18:59difference regardless of what your career is.
- 19:03But often times what we find is that when people retire, their
- 19:08connections, their colleagues, their friends, if you will, are
- 19:11different. So there's this empty feeling of
- 19:14saying, wow, now who do I connect with now that I'm
- 19:17actually retired? I don't have the same group of 5
- 19:20or 10 or 15 friends and colleagues that I used to work
- 19:23with. And sometimes, even more
- 19:25importantly, they've lost their sense of identity.
- 19:29That identity when they were working was part of their
- 19:31purpose. And so when that gets pulled out
- 19:34from underneath them now, it's kind of like, what is my real
- 19:39purpose? And so I put that in as lesson
- 19:4210 because I think it's very, very critical.
- 19:44And as I've been doing this for now 35 years, I've seen this
- 19:48unfold over many, many, many years.
- 19:51Retirement is such a beautiful thing.
- 19:52And again, I feel like people have worked very hard and I feel
- 19:57like as you've retired. And you get this window of
- 20:01opportunity to enjoy retirement. Often times people feel a little
- 20:06bit lost because of their identity or maybe some of the
- 20:08loss of their relationships. And so I encourage you, if you
- 20:14are in fact fairly new retired or approaching retirement, to
- 20:18take some time and really reflect back not only over your
- 20:21career and over your life, but as you enter into this new
- 20:25stage, embrace it with purpose. Think of the things that maybe
- 20:30are going to give you joy, satisfaction.
- 20:33And I'm not necessarily referring to just to do lists
- 20:35here. I'm thinking more along the
- 20:38lines of what is it when you get to that last stage of your life
- 20:43and you're looking back or you're reflecting back in your
- 20:4560s and even your 70s and you look back and say, I'm sure glad
- 20:49I was able to do this or that or whatever it might be.
- 20:53So last lesson is have a purpose in retirement because I've seen
- 20:59it over and over again. It'll create vibrancy in your
- 21:02retirement. So thank you for watching.
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