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  Welcome everybody to the ABJ podcast Truth Behind Illusion,
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  where history, horror, and pop culture get tangled up like a
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  bad Netflix reboot. Before we start, here's your
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  disclaimer. This episode may not be suitable
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  for children or your boss, or anyone who faints at the mention
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  of blood. We'll be talking death, disease,
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  impalement, seduction, and maybe, just maybe a little bit
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  of sparkle. You like that?
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  All right, so if you're cool with that, grab your garlic,
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  pour yourself a drink. Hopefully it isn't red.
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  And let's dig into the deep, dark history and everlasting
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  allure of the vampire. Welcome, everybody.
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  We're here. Thank you, Billy Trey, for the
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  truth behind Illusion of Music. You guys are probably like, man,
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  like we bought merchandise. We have stuff.
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  It's supposed to be doing all this cool stuff for Truth Behind
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  Illusion. And you record it last Halloween
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  for Sam Hayne, and then you never came back.
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  For. Salon, I say Sam.
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  Han, I don't care. I know we had.
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  It was part of the argument I believe, in the last.
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  Say what I want, I'm an adult so we're trying something
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  different. If you notice, the microphones
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  are on us. I'm not going to bore you with
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  all the technical jargon, but I'm trying to find myself.
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  I like this 3 camera setup. It costs more money to do this
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  because then I have to pay programs to help me clip it
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  because I don't have the time to do all of it.
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  But we're giving it a shot. I'm hoping that maybe the
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  microphones are better than the wireless mics.
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  It's a whole thing. If you're better at editing and
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  technology, please hit me up. I need help, I'm trying my best,
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  but like I said, this content discusses historical violence,
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  plague, death, and themes of sexuality and superstition.
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  Listener discretion be advised. No jump scares, I promise.
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  So yeah, we, we were going to do this episode as episode 2 about
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  a year ago. It never happened.
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  So Full disclosure, it is November 1st, the day of the
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  dead. We are here on a Saturday,
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  bored, trying to get some stuff done in.
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  Case you're wondering who we is? Hi everyone, I'm Lily.
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  Oh, let's Lily by witch castle Lily, who was on the last
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  episode. But we're going to we're going
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  to kind of record probably a couple here on one night and
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  then kind of let, if you're so if you're subscribed to the ABJ
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  podcast channel, there is a membership where you see content
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  before everybody else as the day of this drops November.
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  There's like four or five episodes of interviews and movie
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  reviews and stuff like that that's out there right now that
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  you can go watch. So if you're watching this now,
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  great. Some of these episodes you may
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  not see for quite some time because I think we're just going
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  to kind of pepper things in here and there do have a little bit
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  of a cool announcement. We will have a guest joining us
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  here in the beginning of the new year for Truth Behind Illusion.
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  This won't just be paranormal and spooky and stuff like that.
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  It'll also be a true crime. We're going to add a little bit
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  of true crime element to this, and one of my favorite true
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  crime podcast was my buddy Brian's old podcast.
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  He's no longer willing to do that podcast for reasons of his
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  own just but he wants to continue doing the true crime
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  aspect and possibly even sitting in with us because he's a if you
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  think I'm a skeptic, BP's even worse when it comes to this.
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  So there may be some episodes that won't be done with the
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  three camera setup because they're done via stream yard.
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  So it'll be just a shot down the table of us and it won't be the
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  three camera setup and then BP will probably join us remote.
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  You'll also still see some episodes with stream yard as
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  well. But if it's just me and you or
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  just solo me, they'll probably be done this way.
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  Or if it's just so me, you'll probably be done stream Yard as
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  well, just because it's a little easier to clip.
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  But there's going to be a variance.
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  Some episodes will look like this, some will look like that.
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  Please be patient. I'm just I'm trying my best here
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  as a content creator. It's just hard to live life,
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  have a 40 hour job you're. An artist and don't limit
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  yourself to just one way of doing things.
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  You're trying out different ways and deciding what works best for
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  you and what you like the most. So like don't limit yourself to
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  being like, you know what this worked out well like you want to
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  experiment with those things. Experiment with them and keep
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  trying until you find exactly like I, I really feel like,
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  sorry, I'm going to go on a little tangent here, but I do
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  feel like you do kind of stop yourself.
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  You have this little bit of a cycle where you'll try something
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  new and then it maybe doesn't go the way you wanted it to or
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  you'll hear like one negative feedback and you're like, OK,
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  stop the whole thing, start it over.
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  And that's not necessarily a bad thing, but like you're going to
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  figure it out. Like you're you're number one
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  example four O 9. Why is it 409?
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  Because they had to get 409 formulas until they found the
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  perfect formula. You're gonna get there.
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  You'll figure it. Out I do I think the audio for
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  the some of the wireless mics too were not my favorite.
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  So I do like going back to the microphone and the headphones
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  because it kind of gives me more of a podcast vibe as well.
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  So if you guys think the audio sounds better too, please let me
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  know. Let me know in the comments what
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  you guys think of everything that's going on and let me know
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  what you think when it comes to if you're enjoying more than.
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  I'm trying not to do as much wrestling content and mixing it
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  up because everyone's like, well, I don't listen to him
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  because I don't like wrestling. If you say that now, going
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  forward, I will spit on you, all right?
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  And I really won't. But because I've, I've been
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  really mixing it up. Yeah.
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  Yeah. All right, so let's get in to
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  the history of Vampires with Lily from Witchcraft by Lily.
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  By the way, go check her out. All her links will be below her
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  link tree. She's doing a lot of cool stuff.
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  Unfortunately none of us are wearing any Witchcraft by Lily
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  stuff or we don't have anything on display.
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  Do you wanna? Do you wanna light the candles?
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  There's stuff it's it is MyHeritage and it is the Day of
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  the Dead. Who are we remembering?
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  I will I will say, do you have do we each pick a person and
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  then I light? It if you would like to.
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  Yeah, we could. Do it that way.
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  That's how this works, right? Well, yeah, so we'll we'll get
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  onto that on another podcast. Episode So we are going to be
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  doing an episode based on the movie Coco.
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  But we will be, I think with within that movie, we're going
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  to be talking a lot more of the Day of the Dead tradition.
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  So if you want to, if you're a Truth Manolusia fan, you want to
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  hear more about that because I do have that coming up in the
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  topic as well. The history of the Day of the
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  Dead and stuff. We didn't record an episode
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  because it's going to be way past this when it airs and we
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  don't want to like. See, the man's on a time crunch
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  and we can't get everything done within -4 hours, so.
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  So, so how does this work? We're going to light a candle.
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  We're going to each pick a person.
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  Yeah. So usually I'll give you the
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  little snippet of it is usually a an ofrenda is an altar and you
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  would have memorabilia of that person.
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  And like on the Day of the Dead, you light a candle almost like
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  as a vigil of like in remembrance of them along with
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  their belongings and maybe like some food that was like their
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  favorite food. So they can.
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  Sit and eat with us and like, have a meal with this type of
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  thing. But yeah, we could just do the
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  remembrance part. Well, here's about a lighter.
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  I don't you might have. All right, I'll pop off screen
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  for a SEC. So when we first talked about
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  this, she's like, oh, we should pick like people we like.
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  And, and, and we immediately went to like Hispanic people.
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  And I don't think I'm going to do that.
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  I think I'm going to. Yeah, you're like, you should
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  pick Eddie Guerrero. And I was like, Oh yeah.
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  What shirt you could wear today? Got you.
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  Mexican. I didn't.
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  I I was like, I don't do we have to like not that I don't want to
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  pick someone because they're Mexican.
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  I just I I think I want to maybe dedicate what we're going to
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  dedicate the next couple episodes of some people as we
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  recorded because we are recording on today's date.
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  And then we'll when you guys watch it back, you'll you'll get
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  the whole gist. But hold on.
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  We're we're really we're really killing time here for vampire.
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  So I'm going to go first it. Should be more of like a loved
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  one like some something you know.
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  Yeah, so I'm going to pick lost my face again.
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  Sorry. Guys, Yeah, well, it's going to
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  lock on to me anyway because I'm the one talking.
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  So I'm going to, we got these at Walmart for like 2 bucks and
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  they're pretty cool. But I'm going to pick a friend
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  of mine who passed away, Jesse Price.
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  Jesse was just, Jesse was a little bit of like my high
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  school bully and he was scary and he, he was really, really
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  strong and really, really scary. But as we got older and we got
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  out of school, we became friends.
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  And he went from the kid I was terrified to, to a, a friend of
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  mine. And it, it was a, it was a funny
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  thing because he always had a perception of that we were, we
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  were friends and close. And I essentially said like,
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  dude, I, I was afraid of you. Like you scared me.
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  You and your friends scared me 'cause you were as well, the
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  bullies and you were the strong kids and I was tiny.
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  And it bothered him that he was thought of that way.
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  And yeah, unfortunately, we lost him due to, you know, people's
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  demons. But he's no longer with us.
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  So I'm going to light my candle. You're going to grab those
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  scissors before we start a fire. You always cut down a Wick.
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  You're not going to light a three inch long Wick.
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  It'll be fine all right. Crazy it'll.
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  Be fine. We're not going to start a
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  fight. We're sitting right next to it.
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  If it's our, our. So it's now.
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  I don't have a chair for you, Jesse, but we'll figure it out.
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  You can. You can hang out with us and
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  join us for an episode. I don't want to get up and do
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  things again. So you could tell us who you're
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  lighting it for. I'm lighting mine in remembrance
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  of my friend Jeff. He passed away five years ago
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  now, which is kind of wild and crazy to think about, but he was
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  a, he was a, he's a good guy. He worked for a living.
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  He did a lot and he struggled with mental illness and
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  eventually that kind of took hold of him.
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  But unfortunately, I don't think he had much family.
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  I know that he did. Are you?
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  Are you? Sorry, you'll hear a difference
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  now that you're. Now I understand but he didn't.
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  I don't recall if his. I know he wasn't close with his
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  family so I don't recall if his parents were alive or not.
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  But I know he did leave behind a son.
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  So yeah, I'm just, I'm going to remember him.
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  I'm going to keep him positively in my thoughts.
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  OK, well I hope they're both into vampires because they're
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  going to join us for this episode.
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  Could you imagine like this? Like they get teleported here
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  because we did this ritual. Jeffrey, if see, I actually
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  could. And they're super confused of
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  why they're here listening to a podcast about vampires.
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  Should I go get his stuff and actually bring?
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  His No, I have, I know, but it's we've already gotten up and
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  we're fucking. I could have. 18 minutes into
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  this podcast. And I could have him come sit
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  with us. If this doesn't do it, then
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  sorry, we'll try again next episode.
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  All right segment one that we're going to dive into is going to
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  be the ancient origins and first blood of vampires.
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  So long before Dracula, humans imagine creatures that fed off
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  life itself from the from China, where the dead were rarely
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  sorry, rarely, rarely content to stay buried to I can't, I can't
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  mess mess up Mesatopa. Mesopotamia.
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  Mesopotamia. Thank you.
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  So this is 2000 to 1000 BC. So this is kind of.
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  Are you familiar? I'd never heard of the lore of.
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  Like. Vampires from China, This is no,
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  this is China. Yeah.
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  So I'm going to try to pronounce these, but I'm probably going to
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  butcher them. So if you're in the comments,
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  please. Be patient.
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  Be nice with me but these are some other places I don't.
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  I think this is still from China, but this is weird because
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  I never. Mesopotamia, yeah.
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  Lama Lama tissue is a demonist who preyed on mother and
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  infants. So she was like a like, no,
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  these aren't technically vampires, but they're demonic or
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  sometime some type of entity who feeds on life.
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  So technically the vampire isn't so much of it feeds on blood and
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  like there's different characteristic vampires and
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  we'll kind of get into there's. Energy vampires.
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  Let's talk about that. See them every day.
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  They. Feed on life, yes, And then we
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  have you. You're on this list.
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  Oh, is it? Is it a Lilith?
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  Oh. Or Lilu Lilu, later seen as
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  Adam's first wife, turned night spirit, who seduced men and
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  drank infant blood. All OK, yes, but no.
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  But yes, yes, but she was yes, but also that like drinking
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  infant blood is like, yeah, no, but because she was taking care
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  of infants, the the lore is that she is the caretaker of unborn
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  children. Gotcha.
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  Then we go to Greece and Rome where they had Empusa.
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  Emposa EM or EMPUSA is a shape shifting service heretic
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  appearing as a beautiful woman until she later reveals to be
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  her monster to her monstrous legs.
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  Yeah. A lot of these are ranting
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  females. Just putting it out there.
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  You guys were not getting a good rap back then.
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  You know, it, it's what I'm hearing is a little a man that
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  was hurt that his feelings hurt and said let's she's a demon,
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  Yeah. Lala, Mia and Sturgis are female
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  spirits, are witches who face it on children of blood.
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  Always eaten kids. It's weird.
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  India has Vet Vetela, A ghostly being that possesses corpses,
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  mischief, mischievous, cruel and immortal.
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  And then we go, I guess, back to China for Jana Sang Stiff Hope
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  hope hopping vampires that drain Q instead of blood or QII don't
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  know how to pronounce that. Chi your cheek Chi UI.
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  Yeah. So that's.
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  Yeah, your chi got you. And then priests fought them off
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  with bells and Talisman. All right, so.
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  Talisman. Talisman Yeah, I don't know.
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  I'm just, I have my notes, but I'm not a very good.
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  I don't know how to. I don't know how to speak.
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  Other cultures. Yeah, we've learned I'm stupid.
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  All their cultures, but they all have their own dialect and fun
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  ways of saying things. If your culture had a monster
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  feeding off life injury, what do you think that says about their
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  fears? Death, disease, or something
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  deeper? Como celice chupacabra.
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  Chupacabra. Oh yeah, they do.
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  But they're, I think this vampire have to be like
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  humanoid. I mean.
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  Does it? I think so does it.
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  I I would say why? Because it's a girl.
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  I would, I would think when I because I think creatures itself
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  feast on blood. And I think what makes the
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  vampire scarier is, is the humanoid creature who feeds on
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  other humanoids. It has like a cannibalistic
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  thing too. Yeah, I do think there is when
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  it comes to like the history of these characters, that they are
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  very depicted as women. I don't think that's a
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  coincidence. And I'm not, I'm not bashing
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  women. I just think historically how
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  women are viewed that where they were always deemed as lesser
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  than or not is equal to men. And when women had opinions or
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  wanted to rise up and above, it was like, no, you're going to
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  be, we're going to put you back down by calling you some type of
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  creature. Right.
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  Yeah, she's a witch, Yeah. Yeah, in different aspects,
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  sure. Yeah.
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  So the medieval Europe and the Age of Panic is going to be our
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  next way we go through. So as Christianity spread, so
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  did the fear of the restless dead.
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  The vampire was recognized today, and it took shape in
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  Eastern Europe, the venture that we know today.
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  I just, I just hit a button and I've lost my spot.
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  So. So Slavic and Balkan lore the
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  the uproar and Nosferatu, bloated corpses, rosy skin,
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  mouth stain with blood believed to rise from improper burials or
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  sins unconfessed. So if you didn't, if you weren't
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  buried properly, or if you died with sins, coming back is about.
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  You didn't. Or maybe if it's like
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  unconfessed, like, you know, maybe not confessing to your
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  sins. Yeah, so using religion to scare
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  people by saying you'll come back as a creature.
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  Where have I heard that? Yeah, that's gaslighting,
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  religious things. So ways to prevent this during
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  this time, what do you think they would be?
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  Wait during for vampires How to prevent what part of?
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  Preventative methods that you can do to protect yourself from
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  vampires at this time. I'm going to guess specific
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  herbs. OK, maybe, maybe drink.
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  Oh vervain. Right, Like that's got to.
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  Be on. There Silver.
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  Silver. No.
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  What is it? Silver Vine.
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  Not really. So what they would do with the
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  dead is they would either stuff garlic in their mouth.
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  So actually using garlic back. Then yes, they the the bodies
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  were staked so they would stake the heart.
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  They would be decapitated or they'd be buried face down.
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  Were they decapitated and burned?
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  No, they would just decapitate it within the like the body and
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  then put in the coffin. But were they like, were they
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  like buried in separate? Spots.
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  No, they would just beat the cat.
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  Yeah, sticks laid across the neck just in case they sat up so
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  it would like prevent them. So like, it was like, oh.
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  Wow. Yeah.
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  So that was some things they did at that time.
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  There was a there is a really cool TV show called Lore.
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  And the same people who made that made the TV show Haunted on
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  Netflix, which is a great watch. And this is when they would
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  essentially say like they would dig up bodies and like during
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  the time it was kind of cold and bodies weren't decomposing as
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  fast because it was like, well, she's still perfect and her
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  cheeks are rosy and her body's like, because it's freezing.
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  And you know, you just bury buried a cold body.
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  Like she's not coming back and killing things like you're
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  you're you're essentially taking on the disease because you're
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  bringing up a corpse and you're probably not like they didn't
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  bathe a lot back then. They didn't have hygiene those
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  same way like they, you know what I mean?
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  So like they, these bodies would essentially give people other
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  sickness and they died probably of disease and plague and then
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  blame the body. And if they, the body was
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  somehow still killing people, that's why the we'll probably
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  get into it. The Nosferatu.
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  But that's why there's that spot of the movie where it's like
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  there is disease and rag rats and plague.
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  And is Nosferatu really a creature in that time?
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  Or is he the embody of the plague that they're blaming this
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  on? Because I didn't understand how
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  science and cleanliness worked. Right.
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  Yeah. So vampire epidemics in the
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  1700s, the the Arnold Pascal case in Serbia, villagers
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  exhumed corpses reporting blood flowing from the flesh.
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  The military, the Australian military officers recorded these
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  events and added bureaucracy legitimacy to the superstition.
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  So in the in the 191725 report, when the stake pierced him,
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  blood gushed from the corpse as as screaming as it screamed it,
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  as if it was alive. So it could have been a bloated
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  corpse. They stake it, they don't drain
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  the blood like they used to back in the day.
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  Depending on what time and place this body was buried, it didn't
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  like got your body fills up with gas.
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  You know, it depends on where, like how was the decomposing
• 18:39
  process? So it's you're filled with gas
• 18:41
  and you're filled everything. So they hit it and it probably
• 18:43
  released the air. They went, Oh my God, it was, we
• 18:46
  did it, we saved the day. You know what I mean?
• 18:48
  Like that's that's just pretty funny.
• 18:50
  I think fun fact with this the the phrase blood sucker entered
• 18:55
  English dictionaries after reports of this viral went viral
• 18:58
  across Europe in the 18th century versions and on the
• 19:01
  ongoing trending. So that's where that came from
• 19:04
  and then guess the cure. If you lived back then, you
• 19:08
  would have believed would you have believed in vampires or
• 19:11
  would you have thought your neighbors were losing it?
• 19:13
  I. Mean back then you're a. 100%
• 19:18
  believing it. I want to believe in it, you
• 19:21
  know what I mean? Education is not as good.
• 19:24
  I know I feel like you believe in it because you want to
• 19:27
  believe in it. No, I, I genuinely think fear
• 19:30
  we, we live in today where I can have the entire world in my hand
• 19:33
  on my phone and I can there's, there's media outlets and
• 19:37
  Everything Everywhere and people are still falling for
• 19:39
  misinformation and not believing science right.
• 19:42
  So I, I, I definitely think this can easily Do people still
• 19:45
  believe in these vampires and ghosts and demons today?
• 19:48
  I. Just said that, yeah, yeah.
• 19:50
  I would still believe in them, yeah.
• 19:53
  But I feel like it's, again, if you want to believe in it, if
• 19:56
  it's something like do you want to have a reason or do you want
• 19:59
  to have, do you want to find a logical reason or do you just
• 20:02
  want to have something to blame? Yeah.
• 20:04
  Totally. So let's get into where I think
• 20:07
  when people think vampire the most, they think of this man,
• 20:11
  Vlad the Impaler of blood and Iron.
• 20:14
  Behind every legend lies a real person, and behind Dracula
• 20:17
  stands Vlad, the Third of Wallacha.
• 20:21
  Am I saying that? I'm probably not saying that,
• 20:23
  right? I'm not.
• 20:23
  I'm just gonna skip right past it.
• 20:24
  Born in 1431, the son of Vlad the Jakkul, the Second Order of
• 20:30
  the Dragon. Dracula literally means son of
• 20:33
  the dragon named Tapis the Impaler.
• 20:38
  What do we just mute the TV? Sorry, you're going to get us
• 20:42
  hit with an infraction here for his favorite method of
• 20:45
  execution. So he he, he would impale
• 20:47
  people, he would take people that either committed crime or
• 20:51
  he just didn't like. And he would stake them in front
• 20:53
  of his castle to send a message to his village to be like, hey,
• 20:56
  don't fuck with me, this is what I do.
• 20:58
  And sometimes he would stake them through their butt or
• 21:02
  glutes and through the mouth. And sometimes these people bled
• 21:06
  out. They didn't.
• 21:08
  They didn't die immediately. They were depending on.
• 21:11
  Their genitalia, Yeah, it wasn't just booty holes, That's all I'm
• 21:16
  saying. They would, they would just go
• 21:17
  anywhere there. But it wasn't.
• 21:19
  It was a situation where, you know, these people were still
• 21:23
  alive for some time afterwards and then either bled out or
• 21:27
  infection disease. Do you know what I mean?
• 21:29
  Like, some people die very slowly with this.
• 21:31
  You're fine. Just relax.
• 21:33
  I'm we're going to make we're going to make a video where it's
• 21:35
  going to be like a 2 hour video. So we don't have to do this
• 21:37
  anymore. Yeah.
• 21:39
  Where's that at? His battlefield deterrent, a
• 21:42
  forest of 20,000 impaled Ottoman soldiers.
• 21:45
  So he didn't just do this in front of his castle.
• 21:47
  He would go out to like the battlefields worth.
• 21:49
  Oh yeah. This is straight up like during
• 21:50
  war as well like. That is pretty scary as fuck.
• 21:54
  I think, I don't know if we have this scheduled yet on TBI, but I
• 22:01
  do have a Vlad the Impaler, like inspired tarot cards, and each
• 22:08
  one is like a little bit of history.
• 22:10
  Like it's actually Vlad the Impaler, not like Dracula, but
• 22:13
  yeah. So this is another archive that
• 22:17
  was we're quoting here, the Saxon Chronicle of 1463.
• 22:20
  He impaled men and women alike, he and dined among the dying,
• 22:25
  delighted in their screams. So he was, he was a cruel, sick,
• 22:28
  disgusting, But sometimes nice guys don't really rule for very
• 22:34
  long. If you're deemed as nice and
• 22:37
  you're deemed as sometimes a good person, your people uprise
• 22:40
  against you and then you're the guy on the stake.
• 22:42
  So I'm not saying I'm justifying Vlad the Impaler, but when
• 22:46
  you're a leader, sometimes either power goes to your head
• 22:49
  or keeping your power goes to your head and you get very
• 22:53
  untrustworthy of people. And fear is the best way to
• 22:56
  remain in power, which is not always the greatest thing, but
• 22:59
  it's just kind of human nature, which is kind of shitty.
• 23:03
  Yeah. To the Romanians, he was a
• 23:06
  national hero who defined Europe from the defended Europe from
• 23:10
  the Turks to everyone else a walking nightmare.
• 23:14
  When Bram Stroker discovered the name Dracula centuries later, he
• 23:17
  few he fused Vlad's reputation of cruelty and ancient blood
• 23:20
  myths, and the and the modern vampire was born.
• 23:24
  So hero monster. Well, what's your take on Vlad?
• 23:27
  Was he a patriot or psycho? I.
• 23:30
  Mean, you know me. That's a patriarchy.
• 23:33
  But at the same time, like, I think that it was a little bit
• 23:37
  of both, yeah. Because war was different back
• 23:40
  then. There wasn't code or honor.
• 23:42
  Oh no, absolutely not. It was very much like by any
• 23:47
  means necessary to stay alive. What what your soldier you're
• 23:51
  walking towards where you're going to fight and and and
• 23:54
  either take this place over because we don't know the Turks
• 23:57
  motivation of why they that why they were fighting them too.
• 23:59
  You know what I mean? Domination and trying to get
• 24:02
  more. Resources or whatever maybe
• 24:05
  yeah, but also like they could have attacked first and they're
• 24:08
  defending, but you're anyway, you walked into this battlefield
• 24:11
  and there's 20,000 of your people on stakes.
• 24:15
  That goes two ways. You're either motivated because
• 24:17
  you're like, yo, that's our people, we have to defend them,
• 24:19
  or at that point you're. Like bullshit, they're all dead
• 24:24
  and they're it's no, it's too late for.
• 24:26
  The ones that wrong, but it sends a message to be like, do
• 24:28
  you really want this fight right?
• 24:30
  We're we're willing. We're going to put you on you're
• 24:32
  you're going to be a display next.
• 24:34
  We do not value your whatsoever. There's like when you're going
• 24:37
  into a fight, when you're going into combat, when you're going
• 24:40
  into a situation where it's you versus the other person, you
• 24:43
  almost have to get your mindset of like, one of us may not walk
• 24:46
  home today. And that can get you in trouble
• 24:50
  where you go too far or it can get you in a situation where you
• 24:54
  didn't go far enough and then you don't go home that day.
• 24:56
  You know what I mean? It's it's when you when when
• 24:58
  human emotion gets to a point of violent confrontation, it's it
• 25:03
  can get bad very quickly. Right.
• 25:05
  Yeah. And I think that's just in our
• 25:08
  human DNA and men DNA not. Yeah.
• 25:14
  So where we at here? Toxic masculinity.
• 25:17
  Yeah, vampires are so pretty much the the modern vampire is
• 25:23
  insecurity of women, power and thoughts and education and toxic
• 25:27
  masculinity so far. I'm sorry, which monster are you
• 25:31
  talking about? The vampire.
• 25:34
  You could. Any monster, really.
• 25:35
  Yeah. I'm just saying in general what
• 25:38
  we talked about and learned so far.
• 25:40
  Sure, yeah. So the the the rise of the
• 25:44
  vampire as we know it today. So the vampire and entered
• 25:47
  English literature not as a monster, but as a gentleman.
• 25:51
  John Pollardi, the vampire words that PYRE.
• 25:55
  Yeah. In 1819 was the first English
• 25:58
  vampire story based on Laura Bryan, a suave predatory
• 26:01
  artistic rat and then Sheridan Lay Fanu Carmela from 1872 was a
• 26:09
  lesbian vampire that would haunt young women.
• 26:12
  A haunting young women in gothic, sensual taboo breaking
• 26:15
  methods. So there was another one there.
• 26:18
  And then Brown Stroker's Dracula in 1897 combined centuries of
• 26:22
  folklore into one terrifying account.
• 26:24
  Themes of foreign invasion, sexual repression and Victorian
• 26:27
  fear of disease. So that's kind of the one that
• 26:30
  stuck the most. The the John 1 is still kind of
• 26:33
  used. I think they made a video game
• 26:34
  where it was kind of more based on that vampire, where it was
• 26:37
  like the vampire, and I think that's how.
• 26:40
  That's it. It still said vampire.
• 26:42
  It's kind of like it's just an old English way of spelling it a
• 26:45
  figure. It's like the Shakespeare way of
• 26:47
  spelling something. Yeah.
• 26:49
  And then Carmilla, I haven't really heard, I've never heard
• 26:52
  of that one, to be completely honest.
• 26:54
  Yeah. So that's that's when we might
• 26:55
  we could dive in deeper in the future.
• 26:57
  Whom you're talking about, I mean this so respectfully, I'm
• 27:00
  not sure, like if I can just see the name Sheridan Lafin.
• 27:08
  So laf le fanu le fanu Sheridan. Yeah, I'm not.
• 27:14
  I'm not sure. Yeah, so then this is an archive
• 27:20
  again, coming from Braun Stroker himself.
• 27:23
  The count cast no shadow nor did reflect in the mirror.
• 27:27
  So that was a little bit of lore he added to it.
• 27:30
  Yeah. So he was taking the character
• 27:32
  and then adding his own attributes or what made this
• 27:34
  creature different from others or like, which is.
• 27:37
  I like that in character creation as a pro wrestling fan
• 27:40
  and art and pop culture. Like when you create a
• 27:42
  character, you have to almost kind of have that run sheet of
• 27:44
  like, well, here's his abilities, here's his
• 27:46
  weaknesses. And some people always forget to
• 27:48
  do the weaknesses because they want their character be the
• 27:50
  biggest, baddest and strongest. But there's no growth or
• 27:52
  development in the character or the character that's going
• 27:55
  after. Or if it just always wins and
• 27:57
  there's no weakness to it. So I think that's shows more
• 28:01
  intelligence when you create something but not have the ego
• 28:04
  to be like, well, my character can't be defeated or have no
• 28:07
  weakness. Or I feel like if that's how you
• 28:09
  create a for example. Kind of egotistical.
• 28:14
  A little bit so like. Kind of like, like everybody has
• 28:16
  to have a weakness. Yes, and it happens a lot in
• 28:18
  wrestling. Wrestlers create a wrestling
• 28:20
  character, sometimes spooky supernatural ones, and their
• 28:24
  only end game is to make them the better character and they
• 28:26
  don't say well here's the weakness to my character.
• 28:29
  That's why the Undertaker works so well and that's why not
• 28:33
  speaking I'll the dead. But Bray Wyatt's characters
• 28:35
  didn't. Bray Wyatt had to always rise or
• 28:38
  do something or he couldn't be like, you know, I mean it just
• 28:41
  I. Believe you, I don't know.
• 28:42
  I don't really know that much about either one of them as
• 28:45
  characters, just just like like as far as like their character
• 28:49
  development or anything like that.
• 28:51
  So fun fact, Stroker originally planned to set Dracula in
• 28:54
  Styria, Austria, but not and not Transylvania, but until he read
• 28:59
  about Vlad's castle. So he kind of changed the
• 29:01
  setting upon learning of Vlad. And a little bit of discussion
• 29:05
  to talk here for a moment, but do you think vampires but become
• 29:08
  sexy because of literature or because humans can't resist
• 29:11
  danger distress in a tuxedo like fine dress people?
• 29:18
  So here is an actual serious question.
• 29:23
  What makes you think that? If you were to repeat that last
• 29:31
  bit, I think you kind of make it seem as though the vampires are
• 29:35
  like sexy because they're wealthy and they're well
• 29:37
  dressed. And although vampires live a
• 29:41
  long time, they're not necessarily always sexy as much
• 29:45
  as they are always appealing. There is still that.
• 29:48
  I don't think we've really talked about it yet, but like a
• 29:50
  glimmer effect, like maybe they just make you think that they're
• 29:53
  super sexy, but also in being alive so long, are you really
• 30:00
  going to stand out or are you going to try to like fit in
• 30:05
  more? Do you know what I mean?
• 30:06
  So I. Think it's a hunting mechanism
• 30:08
  if if you want to get you're. Going to get the bigger prey.
• 30:12
  You're going to probably be more attractive because you're going
• 30:15
  to be able to probably get your way.
• 30:16
  I listen at the end of the day, if you're an attractive person,
• 30:19
  you have a little bit of an easier life socially than you do
• 30:22
  if you're look like a pariah or you look not as attractive.
• 30:26
  It's just once again, human nature it you could slice the
• 30:29
  pie however you want. It's just the way the world
• 30:31
  works. But also I, I think creating
• 30:35
  that element of the character is smart because once again, it's a
• 30:38
  hunting technique, but then it's also going back to sexual
• 30:42
  repressing repression. When disease and plague was run
• 30:46
  rampant, it was easier for Christianity to take over as
• 30:49
  well because it was like, hey, sex, don't do that because once
• 30:53
  again, we don't know how to be clean and we don't know how to
• 30:56
  protect ourselves from stuff like that.
• 30:57
  So you need to be only with one person.
• 30:59
  If you're not one person, don't do it because that's how you
• 31:01
  spread disease and free will and sexual repression and making
• 31:06
  that a taboo also was a thing with vampires of like, I'm
• 31:10
  almost like this is what you want.
• 31:12
  Like it. It uses that lore of that
• 31:14
  repression and scariness and and as another element of that
• 31:18
  character of its time, in my opinion.
• 31:20
  Just I just think that's why it kind of works.
• 31:22
  But then you have characters like Nosferatu, like especially
• 31:25
  in the new movie, we'll get into a little bit.
• 31:26
  But like where he was, he was dreadful looking, but he still
• 31:29
  had some kind of glamour effect, right.
• 31:31
  You know what I mean? Really weird sex scene with
• 31:34
  like, yeah. Anyway, so vampires on film and
• 31:37
  in pop culture. So film transformed the vampire
• 31:40
  from from nightmare to icon. So there's been tons of
• 31:43
  different versions of vampires and how they were adapted.
• 31:46
  And I'll kind of go through a few of them here, and then maybe
• 31:48
  we could talk about what's our favorite versions of vampires
• 31:51
  and what we think of vampires. What do we think of?
• 31:54
  And here's the big thing, too. And this is when it goes to all
• 31:56
  pop culture. Just because a style of creature
• 31:59
  or monster or character is made doesn't mean it can't change or
• 32:03
  evolve or add different elements.
• 32:05
  I get that your favorite was that one type, but to dismiss
• 32:08
  someone's else's art because they had a different take on it,
• 32:11
  right? Try it, you know what I mean?
• 32:13
  Like, it's not always a terrible thing that someone has a, you
• 32:15
  know? It's the skin of a killer, damn
• 32:17
  it. It's the skin of a killer, yeah.
• 32:20
  Bella, you might want to put heavens.
• 32:23
  I would if they worked. They don't work at all.
• 32:25
  No, OK. Nosferatu, a rat like plague
• 32:30
  carrying Count Orlok and the first to die by sunlight.
• 32:34
  So he's the first vampire that kind of had that weakness of
• 32:36
  sunlight. Belagosi's accent Cape became
• 32:41
  the gold standard of elegance and menacing from the Dracula
• 32:44
  1931. So like, I think that's where
• 32:46
  people really attach. Like Nosferatu was the ugly,
• 32:51
  scary, monstrous. Count Orlock, yeah, he was the
• 32:55
  the one you should be feared, but Dracula was.
• 32:58
  He had the charisma to lure you. In he was like James Bond,
• 33:02
  right? Yeah.
• 33:03
  Which is funny because. Wait a minute, he's attractive,
• 33:05
  but he's he couldn't possibly be in a monster.
• 33:07
  He's looking as a. Castle and he is such a
• 33:10
  beautiful God Cape and pop collar.
• 33:14
  Right, right. And that widows peak girl.
• 33:20
  Don't even get me started on those canines.
• 33:22
  He gets them professionally whitened.
• 33:26
  Hammer Lore from 1950s to the 70s with Christopher Lee.
• 33:29
  Blood sensuality and gothic excess.
• 33:32
  The Hunger from 1983. Sleek bisexual immortality once
• 33:37
  again kind of leaning into the sexuality of vampires.
• 33:40
  Interview with a Vampire, 1976. Novel in 199419441994.
• 33:46
  Film. May I just say RIP.
• 33:48
  She only just died in real life I think last month.
• 33:51
  Really. Yeah, I did see that.
• 33:53
  Yeah, a tragic anti hero, immortal yet tortured.
• 33:58
  And then our generation, well, 90s is still kind of our thing,
• 34:01
  but this is the. 90s is my generation, Yeah.
• 34:04
  I wasn't born until 91. Just throwing that out.
• 34:05
  There, but I think this one is probably the more until like
• 34:09
  Twilight and stuff. But I think this is the one that
• 34:11
  really revamped the vampire thing again.
• 34:13
  But Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Wait wait wait, when did the
• 34:17
  Interview with the Vampire? Get 94 film.
• 34:19
  OK, OK. Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
• 34:22
  Twilight, True Blood Blade, and What We Do in the Shadows each
• 34:28
  redefines vampires from Slayer Foddy to sparkling hot throbs to
• 34:32
  sitcom roommates. So you missed one.
• 34:35
  I'm not saying that there's a billion that have come out, but
• 34:38
  the one that like holds true to my heart, which is hilarious in
• 34:43
  and of itself. Little story time.
• 34:46
  I used to work in a factory called this Little place, What's
• 34:49
  it called? Amazon.
• 34:51
  And I had I had just had two kids at the time.
• 34:55
  And like when you meet people in warehouses, you've worked in
• 34:58
  warehouses, you know, there's hundreds upon hundreds of people
• 35:00
  and you could be meeting a new person every day.
• 35:03
  Yeah. So to spend a 12 hour shift with
• 35:06
  someone and not know anything about them is like, weird.
• 35:09
  Yeah. So it's like, oh, let's just
• 35:10
  tell you my whole life story. And then tomorrow I'm going to
• 35:12
  do it again with another random stranger.
• 35:14
  But somebody had asked me, like, I go, do you have kids?
• 35:16
  And I was like, yeah, I have two daughters.
• 35:18
  And they're like, that's cool. What are their names?
• 35:20
  And I was like, Elena and Catherine.
• 35:22
  Elena is named after my great grandmother, which we'll get
• 35:25
  into back to the Day of the Dead thing.
• 35:27
  And my daughter Katie is named after my best friend in high
• 35:31
  school, Katie Knickerbocker. And.
• 35:33
  Full name Google her. Ha ha, except for that's not her
• 35:37
  last name anymore. Boom.
• 35:38
  Anyway, so somebody was like, oh, you mean like The Vampire
• 35:42
  Diaries? And I'm like, what is what is
• 35:44
  The Vampire Diaries? What are you talking about?
• 35:46
  I like that show. And they were like Elena and
• 35:47
  Catherine. They're doppelgangers.
• 35:49
  And I'm like, what are you talking?
• 35:51
  So I went home and I watched it and then I became obsessed with
• 35:54
  it. And then I was like, well Dang,
• 35:56
  I didn't mean to do that, vampire.
• 35:58
  Diaries was a mix between Twilight and True Blood.
• 36:01
  Yeah. Yeah, it was like a happy little
• 36:02
  medium in there. It was really cool too.
• 36:04
  That was me. That was that was me.
• 36:07
  But and it had like the the like demon hunters and the witches
• 36:11
  and all of that in between it too.
• 36:12
  Trying trying to think of some other ones that made that we
• 36:14
  kind of didn't touch on there. Van Helsing was a really big
• 36:17
  vampire thing. Underworld.
• 36:19
  All of the Underworld movies. Come on.
• 36:21
  Yeah, Underworld that that's where like the whole was
• 36:25
  Underworld the 1st 4. Twilight.
• 36:27
  Were the vampires and and were always collided.
• 36:29
  Lichens. But if you want to, you know,
• 36:32
  split hair, you kind of. Had a little rivalry there,
• 36:36
  trying to think of some other. One of my favorite vampire
• 36:38
  films. I love Let Me In where it's the
• 36:41
  little girl you have yet to watch.
• 36:43
  It wait, no. They've done it twice.
• 36:45
  Abigail, we just. Watched well Abigail was really
• 36:48
  good. It's a heist movie with a
• 36:50
  vampire. Yeah, so sick we that's a knock
• 36:53
  hole in high school horror episode that you should go check
• 36:54
  out. Abigail is a great movie.
• 36:57
  My mom's. A Fright night's a good one.
• 37:00
  The old school 1 and the new one with Colin Farrell, cuz he's
• 37:03
  like a heartthrob as well and he's the neighbor trying to pick
• 37:06
  up the guy's mom. That he's like a vampire.
• 37:08
  Do you remember the little blonde kid from Jerry Maguire?
• 37:12
  Yes. There was a Disney movie that
• 37:15
  had the vampire. Oh yeah, the little vampire
• 37:19
  completely that I forgot about that movie where he is a
• 37:22
  vampire. But there's another movie that
• 37:24
  he's in where his mom, which I believe is played by one of the
• 37:27
  ants from the 90s sitcom Sabrina, is dating a man who is
• 37:33
  played by Mr. Sheffield from the Nanny, and he is a vampire.
• 37:37
  And it's like mom's got a date with a vampire or something.
• 37:40
  Like that, yeah. And then vampires are kind of
• 37:41
  touched into like the Monster High lore.
• 37:43
  The Wednesday has vampires, correct?
• 37:45
  Yeah. So the the monsters.
• 37:47
  The that's what I. Said somehow had a vampire son
• 37:50
  from a werewolf grandfather. A mummy.
• 37:53
  Wife, a mummy wife and a Frankenstein.
• 37:56
  Yeah, she was the bride of Frankenstein.
• 37:58
  So she was essentially an animated corpus, but her she
• 38:01
  made a baby with a grandfather who is he's like his the
• 38:06
  grandfather, the grandfather like a a vampire, but he was.
• 38:10
  But he was hairy. Yeah, he was.
• 38:12
  He was. He identified as a werewolf, but
• 38:14
  I always thought grandpa was a a vampire growing up.
• 38:17
  Was grandpa a trans? He might have been a like a
• 38:21
  trans werewolf. Yeah, yeah, maybe.
• 38:24
  Look at. Us he he was he was a werewolf
• 38:26
  that identified as a no. He was a vampire that identified
• 38:29
  as a werewolf. Or either way, Yeah, yeah, I was
• 38:31
  on a Eddie. I was.
• 38:32
  I used to get told. I know Eddie was like my, my
• 38:35
  thing. Everyone was like, you look at
• 38:36
  Eddie Monster because of my giant widow's peak.
• 38:38
  Yeah, that that that stuck with me for a while.
• 38:40
  But let's get into why. And vampires endure.
• 38:44
  So why, why do vampires don't die?
• 38:48
  Culturally at least, they represent fear, disease, death,
• 38:52
  and outsiders. They represent desire, beauty,
• 38:54
  and immortality. And they adapt monsters, lore,
• 38:58
  heroes, or punch lines. So oh, and vampires.
• 39:03
  An emotional mirror. Whatever we fear the most, it
• 39:06
  becomes so like it did they just.
• 39:09
  I think there's just so many creative ways that people have
• 39:11
  used it and twisted and adapted it and stayed true to certain
• 39:14
  war, but then added its own a little bit here and there too.
• 39:18
  So which version of vampire do you think says most about
• 39:21
  society? The monstrous corpse that is
• 39:23
  seductive and mortal. So what do I think speaks most
• 39:30
  for society? To be honest, it would have to
• 39:32
  be the sexual one because that's what we're most like that I
• 39:35
  think that's going to be more well known 9 times out of 10
• 39:39
  than the monstrous vampire. It's always going to be like,
• 39:41
  yeah, they're they're a bad guy, but they're dressed as someone
• 39:44
  sexier. There's someone super
• 39:46
  attractive. And I think that's just socially
• 39:48
  like how we are like kind of conditioned to believe them to
• 39:52
  be. But then a movie like Nosferatu
• 39:54
  comes out and it's so like, and I think that's kind of exactly
• 39:58
  why a lot of people were amazed by it and other people were so
• 40:02
  disgusted by it because they were like, that's not a real
• 40:04
  vampire. Yeah, why would why would he
• 40:06
  ever, I would ever, ever go for that.
• 40:07
  He's already he's really creepy and disgusting.
• 40:09
  He doesn't look strong. He doesn't look like he's he
• 40:12
  could hurt you. He just looks just.
• 40:14
  Like he looks like a week old man who's disgusting and
• 40:17
  crippling and decrepit but like you could blow over if you just
• 40:22
  looked at him the wrong way but. The thing with that is too where
• 40:25
  I think it's supposed. To be deceptive.
• 40:28
  Yeah, he when you're around, as long as the character or
• 40:32
  creature of a vampire has been around you, you have you have
• 40:37
  you have techniques and strategy and you've you've acquired
• 40:41
  wealth and power and knowledge that no one else has.
• 40:44
  Absolutely. And you're more dangerous.
• 40:47
  You're way more dangerous. Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:49
  And like I said, I do feel like I said, I think that he kind of
• 40:52
  had that look to him the way and as the original Nosferatu did.
• 40:58
  It was supposed to be like this ugly thing that like kind of
• 41:02
  exactly as you said before, it wasn't as big of a popularity
• 41:07
  thing or as as big as well known at that time as like Dracula was
• 41:11
  because it was the more charismatic side of it.
• 41:14
  I like the humanoid humanoid versions of it where they where
• 41:18
  they do because the biggest thing in society is outsiders.
• 41:22
  Like we're kind of taught to like if you're a different race,
• 41:27
  religion, belief, you're not from around here, you're not
• 41:30
  from our town, you're not from my family.
• 41:32
  Don't trust you right. If you're like change your
• 41:34
  danger and and it just it just spider webs further and further
• 41:38
  out of what your fears are other people.
• 41:40
  And as a vampire, maybe society has taught you to do that to
• 41:44
  protect yourself from monsters and creatures.
• 41:47
  So the vampire has to get more clever on how they can break
• 41:51
  your get earn your trust to get further in to do what they can.
• 41:55
  But then also they have that vulnerability where they have to
• 41:58
  find a place to hide and sleep and and recharge and do what
• 42:01
  they have to do. So they have to kind of tote
• 42:03
  that line between I need to be trusting and be calculated, but
• 42:07
  also not just go on a murdering spree because when I go to sleep
• 42:11
  at night, these I'm I'm screwed. They can come get me and I'm I'm
• 42:15
  in trouble. You know what I mean?
• 42:17
  I will say this, I think one of my most recent favorite vampires
• 42:22
  or like where they kind of done their own version of the lore
• 42:25
  was True Blood. I liked a lot of elements of the
• 42:28
  vampire of True Blood. I liked how the if you're older
• 42:32
  than another vampire, you're more powerful, and not just in
• 42:35
  the sense of knowledge, but general strength and speed and
• 42:39
  agility. That's kind of how they did that
• 42:40
  with in Underworld as well. Yeah, like the head vampire.
• 42:46
  And that's kind of how they did with with Twilight.
• 42:48
  Like realistically, I do kind of think that that's kind of one of
• 42:51
  them. More known tropes.
• 42:53
  Better known tropes. But True Blood really put it
• 42:55
  like Bill can never beat Eric because.
• 42:58
  I wouldn't. I can't speak on it.
• 43:00
  I'm sorry. You never watched it.
• 43:01
  I. I I feel like I've seen an
• 43:02
  episode here and there but I can't say.
• 43:04
  I've watched it. I know what we're watching
• 43:05
  tonight. I'm gonna put, I'm gonna tell
• 43:07
  you right now. I'm gonna put it on tonight.
• 43:09
  Tomorrow. I'm gonna put it on for you.
• 43:10
  Oh, we're watching. I know.
• 43:12
  I'm gonna put it on for you at some point and you're gonna
• 43:14
  watch 2 episodes. Oh, I already know because I'm
• 43:17
  fucking obsessed. I already know.
• 43:18
  Like I've I've seen the episode with Lafayette, the burger
• 43:22
  scene, I've seen that whole episode and I know I've seen
• 43:24
  that episode. I feel like I've seen that clips
• 43:26
  bits and pieces of other. Episode The way Twilight grabbed
• 43:28
  You and How you're saying vampires, I've grabbed you.
• 43:30
  You have no shot when it comes to Twilight.
• 43:32
  Twilight grabbed me because I was 16.
• 43:36
  Sure, but I just think you like that lore.
• 43:38
  I think you're going to really enjoy it.
• 43:39
  But also with True Blood as well, I, I liked how it kind of
• 43:42
  became like, it almost had an X-Men element where like, Oh no,
• 43:45
  we're as humans aware of the supernatural.
• 43:48
  And then it had the idea of like the synthetic blood, almost like
• 43:53
  it. Was supposed.
• 43:54
  To be. Like a it was supposed to be
• 43:55
  like a almost like a like a drug, right?
• 43:58
  Like a knock off drug type. Thing it was a knock off
• 44:00
  supplement for vampires so they can drink that and not humans,
• 44:04
  right? Yeah.
• 44:05
  So powers, abilities and weaknesses.
• 44:09
  Let's open the vampire playbook and the survival guide.
• 44:12
  So for you's out there who are listen to this and somehow still
• 44:15
  are not aware of vampires, we got you.
• 44:18
  We're going to make sure you're good here.
• 44:20
  Immortality, timeless beauty, endless hunger, superhuman
• 44:25
  strengths and speed, hypnosis, a predator stare are are how we
• 44:31
  that kind of goes into another one here.
• 44:33
  Shape shifting. They can sometimes shape from
• 44:35
  bats to wolves to mist. Regenerations.
• 44:39
  Wounds heal instantly. Seduction.
• 44:42
  Desire is a weapon for them. It's where they can seduce you
• 44:45
  or glamour you. Occult powers, storm control,
• 44:48
  mind reading and animal command. Sometimes a few other one
• 44:53
  another one. I'm thinking here too and maybe
• 44:54
  it kind of goes into hypnosis or maybe occult powers but they can
• 44:58
  enter dreams. Nosferatu and the newer one was
• 45:01
  able to enter the mind and almost like telekinesis and
• 45:04
  speak to you and talk to you. Did you watch the Twilight
• 45:07
  movies? Not fully, no.
• 45:10
  OK. Just wondering.
• 45:11
  Just go on. Weaknesses Sunlight Fatal Since
• 45:14
  Nosferatu. That's usually the big trope is
• 45:17
  sunlight, but the movie Daywalkers added a whole element
• 45:20
  of hybrid vampires that can survive during the daytime.
• 45:24
  Couldn't blade go out in the daytime?
• 45:26
  Too. No, no.
• 45:28
  OK, sorry it's been a while since I watched.
• 45:30
  Garlic wards of of the Balkan origin, holy symbols, Christian
• 45:36
  editions. So crosses and holy water would
• 45:39
  be like a deterrent. Yeah.
• 45:42
  Stake to the heart. Folklore's grave pin became a
• 45:46
  cinema cinematic kill shot, decapitation and fire.
• 45:51
  The old world methods still true today when it comes to pop
• 45:54
  culture. The invitation rule.
• 45:57
  They cannot enter without being uninvited.
• 46:00
  Never invite anyone into your. House yeah, I love that element
• 46:04
  of the vampire because like even in like movies that you don't
• 46:07
  really realize you're watching a vampire movie or the character
• 46:10
  is a vampire and like kind of like do that scene where.
• 46:12
  They kind of just like sit and wait by the door.
• 46:14
  Well, yeah or yeah. Where they kind of stop for a
• 46:15
  second and then like the average Joe is like, that's weird.
• 46:18
  And then like the people who love that kind of shit are like,
• 46:20
  Oh my God. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, I
• 46:23
  just, I'm just trying to be polite.
• 46:24
  Am I allowed to come in? And you're just like, Oh yeah,
• 46:27
  of course, please. You're like they asked you
• 46:30
  specifically for permission to come in.
• 46:33
  Are you dumb? I.
• 46:34
  Always are doing that. Just asking people for
• 46:37
  permission to come in. Like I'm not just gonna follow
• 46:39
  someone into their house. You got no, you gotta do it
• 46:41
  everywhere you go. Yeah.
• 46:42
  You gotta go to like the bar and be like, where's the owner?
• 46:46
  Can you have the owner come outside really quick if it's at
• 46:49
  least someone you know? Does it have to be the owner
• 46:50
  house or does anyone who's inside the dorsal who can invite
• 46:53
  you inside of? It well, in, in The Vampire
• 46:56
  Diaries, it's whoever has the deed to the house specifically
• 47:00
  because like somebody died and then it gave went over to
• 47:02
  somebody else. So they had it was like they had
• 47:04
  to, it was like a start over. Like somebody died and then like
• 47:07
  they went to go back to that house and they couldn't go past
• 47:10
  the doorway because they had to wait until the next person gave
• 47:13
  them permission to go back. In So Vampires, paranormal block
• 47:17
  is legal documentation. It's ownership.
• 47:21
  It's ownership. I don't like that it.
• 47:24
  Also might have had something to do with like vampire to being to
• 47:28
  a witch or something. Like that, I think that's a
• 47:30
  terrible rule for that show. Territory is always a thing
• 47:33
  though too. Mirrors.
• 47:34
  No reflection, no soul. So mirrors could be not so a
• 47:37
  weakness, but a way to identify, right?
• 47:40
  Yeah. Isn't there anything with
• 47:42
  photographs? Right.
• 47:44
  Like they don't have a reflection.
• 47:45
  Yeah. Fun fact, in the Slavic myths,
• 47:48
  scattering rice seeds forced vampires to count each grain
• 47:53
  before attacking the proto ADHD defense mechanism.
• 47:57
  Hold on, I have heard that before.
• 47:59
  You're I didn't hear a single thing you just said because I'm
• 48:02
  sorry. I'm going to have you.
• 48:03
  I'm so sorry. Jesus Christ.
• 48:04
  You asked about the camera thing and it just made me think the
• 48:07
  original cameras had an actual mirror in them to reflect it's.
• 48:12
  Been recently where they got rid of mirrorless cameras.
• 48:14
  So would you be able to catch AI?
• 48:16
  Don't. Think so.
• 48:18
  Maybe a digital on a digital. Camera maybe?
• 48:22
  Yeah. So what I was saying is in
• 48:24
  Slavic myths rice scattering rice seeds or seeds force
• 48:28
  vampires to count like they had like stop and count though.
• 48:32
  They had like they had OCD. They had like, ADHD, Rain Man,
• 48:35
  autism, you know, I mean, there's like, fuck rice.
• 48:38
  Oh, maybe because they're like super sensitive hearing Dude.
• 48:41
  I'm going to go on a tangent. I don't know why I have to count
• 48:43
  it though. Because they heard every single
• 48:47
  little thing drop and they were like that it like it like
• 48:50
  hypersensitive, yeah. I don't know.
• 48:52
  I've never seen that in a movie. I forget what movie used that.
• 48:54
  So actually I was thinking of this movie.
• 48:57
  It's so obscure. It was a, it's an Oriental
• 49:03
  movie. I don't recall, but it was a
• 49:06
  woman who's blind and she's like an assassin.
• 49:09
  Gotcha. And they like, are using a bean
• 49:13
  and they're flicking it off of drums.
• 49:15
  If anyone knows what movie I'm talking about, go in the
• 49:16
  comments and write it, because that one's wild too.
• 49:19
  So, the science behind the myths in our 8th segment here.
• 49:22
  Not all vampires come from superstition.
• 49:24
  Some are from science gone wrong.
• 49:28
  Porophilia, a rare disorder that causes sunlight sensitivity,
• 49:32
  pale skin and red urine mistaken for vampirism or rabies.
• 49:38
  Also can be very misleading to vampires because it causes
• 49:42
  aggression, biting, aversion to light, and hypersensitivity to
• 49:47
  smells like garlic. Interesting.
• 49:50
  Yeah. They also are premature burials.
• 49:57
  In early medical errors, sometimes people were led to be
• 50:00
  buried alive. When in Zoom they look like they
• 50:02
  were fresh and bloody, where people went into coma or people
• 50:06
  had a slowed heart rate because they had a strong fever or
• 50:09
  disease and they were buried because they.
• 50:12
  Were thought to be dead. Thought to be dead and then they
• 50:15
  fucking wake up and they're screaming inside their casket or
• 50:18
  things are going on and then they re exhumed them and they're
• 50:20
  like why is there nail scratches in here, right?
• 50:22
  But also like why are you re exhuming them?
• 50:25
  I don't know, that was a weird thing they did back right.
• 50:27
  I still think in modern do. You think it was because they
• 50:29
  didn't have enough space? I probably where they were like,
• 50:31
  OK, well, this guy died, but this one's already been in there
• 50:34
  for six months. He's decomposed.
• 50:35
  Yolo. Let's take it out.
• 50:36
  Just put the new one in there. Yeah, I don't know.
• 50:38
  Do you think these explanations kill the magic or do they make
• 50:41
  the vampire even creepy and notice brooded in reality?
• 50:45
  I think that each part of it kind of makes it more realistic.
• 50:49
  Like not more realistic, but almost like giving more of a
• 50:54
  reasoning to why people believe them to be more real.
• 50:57
  Yeah, so our our 9th subject, our 9th, 9th segment here, the
• 51:01
  modern subculture and the vampire legacy.
• 51:04
  So the vampire didn't just survive until the 21st century,
• 51:07
  it reinvented itself. Goth and industrial scenes from
• 51:10
  the 1980s to 2000s fashion, makeup and nightlife have really
• 51:14
  taken people. People like like a vampire, like
• 51:16
  the gothic look, vampire role. Playing tattooed on your face.
• 51:20
  And do such a thing, yeah, vampire role-playing and
• 51:23
  fandoms, vampire masquerades, ball games built in communities
• 51:27
  where fans live and live the fantasy like so like, I guess
• 51:30
  vampire role-playing video games.
• 51:31
  I've never personally played one, but I guess see being a
• 51:33
  thing real life San San a guardian.
• 51:39
  What's that word? Where are we at?
• 51:41
  Where are we at? I don't have.
• 51:43
  Sanguinarians. Sanguine.
• 51:45
  I don't know what that. Is oh people who?
• 51:47
  Well, Sangui. Sangui is Latin for blood, so.
• 51:51
  People who identify, I just hit a button again, sorry.
• 51:53
  People who identify as modern vampires often part part often
• 52:02
  part of tight consent based subcultures.
• 52:05
  I you know, I did watch this. I watched a documentary about
• 52:08
  this. Where people legit?
• 52:09
  Like go to go to stores and get like like cow blood and.
• 52:13
  Do like like they will go I've. Seen that one on my strange
• 52:16
  addiction. No, these people will have like
• 52:19
  almost like lifestyle, like the lifestyle where it is very
• 52:22
  sexual based and they go and they partake in sexual
• 52:25
  encounters and stuff. But there's also an element of
• 52:28
  they cut and they drink each other.
• 52:31
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:32
  And they identify as vampires and do that, right?
• 52:35
  Yeah. So that's that's a thing.
• 52:36
  Yeah, I thought, well, so there was another.
• 52:39
  There was, I think it was on that TLC show My Strange
• 52:43
  Addiction. But there was something like
• 52:45
  that where but they did it on like 3 different people at the
• 52:48
  same time and one of them was like in kind of like a culty
• 52:50
  type of thing. And one person was just like,
• 52:53
  no, this is just my life. All my friends think I'm weird
• 52:55
  but this is who I am. And then the third person was
• 52:58
  one as as you were just talking about.
• 53:00
  No judgement. There's people, there's people
• 53:02
  who dress up as dogs. Whatever you want to do, live
• 53:04
  your life. I am not going to yuck anyone's
• 53:06
  Yum, but I'm going to tell you it ain't yucky for me and it is
• 53:08
  not yummy for me or whatever. I don't think I could drink
• 53:11
  someone's blood. I have.
• 53:14
  Someone else's yes. Oh, OK.
• 53:17
  It's happened. I I, I like the taste of my own
• 53:19
  blood. I don't think I can shrink
• 53:20
  somebody. Else's I will say that it was
• 53:22
  done in a ceremonial. It wasn't like, Oh well, I'm
• 53:26
  really feeling it right now, so let me just cut you open and
• 53:29
  drink your blood. It was during a Pagan ceremony.
• 53:32
  Got you, got you. Maybe we should do a whole topic
• 53:34
  on paganism or. I would love that.
• 53:35
  OK social media and style vampire aesthetics dominate
• 53:39
  TikTok fangs, dark glam and eternal youth vibes.
• 53:42
  We have a friend who rocks vampire fangs, yes.
• 53:45
  Yeah, I was with him actually the other day.
• 53:48
  We went to Spirit and I was like, bro, they had they
• 53:51
  actually had they had cold ones and I was like, he he wasn't
• 53:55
  going to get them, but I did help him pick out a new top hat
• 53:59
  that was like Lacy and fun that like was still giving very
• 54:01
  vampire vibes. I.
• 54:02
  Don't know if he's drinking people's blood, but I think he's
• 54:04
  aesthetic. Yeah.
• 54:05
  Aesthetic. Yeah.
• 54:07
  Loves trains too. Yes, that's a call back to
• 54:10
  another episode. From folklore to fandom, the
• 54:13
  vampire has gone from being feared to being followed.
• 54:17
  Is the vampire a monster now or a lifestyle brand?
• 54:22
  I think it's both. I feel like kind of like what
• 54:24
  you were saying, like as far as like the goth aesthetic goes, I
• 54:27
  feel like the goth aesthetic in general, if you're going with a
• 54:31
  more Victorian goth aesthetic, it's almost it goes hand in hand
• 54:35
  with a vampire. Like when you look at vampire,
• 54:37
  if you go to spirit Halloween and you go to the specifically
• 54:42
  to the vampire section because they have a section for that.
• 54:45
  Almost all of the costumes reek of the Victorian era clothing.
• 54:49
  Yeah, absolutely. So this is our bonus segment
• 54:52
  here and then we're going to close out.
• 54:53
  But some recommendations. So if you guys want to check out
• 54:55
  some films, here's some ones I have listed.
• 54:56
  You can say which ones if if I missed any, but Nosferatu,
• 54:59
  Dracula, the Hunger, Interview with the Vampire, let the right
• 55:03
  one in and what we do in the shadows.
• 55:06
  I'll I would also throw in let me in in there True Blood up
• 55:10
  until like a a certain season where you could probably skip
• 55:13
  because I think it gets a little too crazy.
• 55:16
  Blade a little spoiler alert, there might be some Blade movie
• 55:20
  reviews coming up soon. A friend of mine wants to do the
• 55:22
  Blade movies. Blade's getting his own video
• 55:24
  game as well. Isn't Well, he was just in the
• 55:27
  Deadpool movie. Deadpool, right?
• 55:30
  Deadpool and Wolverine movie any?
• 55:32
  Other ones that you like? Vampire.
• 55:34
  Yes, I can't believe we didn't say it.
• 55:36
  I don't think you've watched them.
• 55:37
  Adam Sandler was a vampire in three movies.
• 55:40
  Hotel Transylvania. It's one of my kids favourites.
• 55:44
  Dus till dawn. Another one I forgot I feel.
• 55:46
  Like there was. There's another one.
• 55:48
  I was going to say Salma Hayek. Did we?
• 55:50
  Did you say? You said what we do in the
• 55:53
  shadows. Yeah, OK.
• 55:55
  Which turned into a movie Which Honey Depp?
• 55:57
  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
• 55:58
  Oh, I know what I was going to say.
• 56:00
  Interview with the Vampire, the the original movie with Kirsten
• 56:04
  Dunst and everything I think was well done, but I I'm very well
• 56:08
  done it. It was one of my favourites.
• 56:10
  However, what I will say is that the they redid it as ATV show
• 56:18
  and they redid the cast and in the original movie it a large
• 56:23
  portion of it takes place in New Orleans and they recast it with
• 56:27
  people of color in it. And I honestly think that the
• 56:30
  way that they did it also because Christine, the little
• 56:33
  girl that they turned into a vampire Louie ends up having
• 56:36
  like a a connection with and a love almost makes a love
• 56:39
  interest. I think vampires and.
• 56:41
  That also is that weird to say? And it was also just really
• 56:46
  weird that in the original movie she was like 7.
• 56:48
  So you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it she was like she
• 56:52
  had been with him for 50 years before that love interest
• 56:55
  started. But she was still played by like
• 56:56
  a 7 year old. And I think that when it was
• 56:58
  redone, it was done as more of like a teenager, almost young
• 57:02
  adult. And I think that it was well
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  done to be redone. I think that it it honestly is a
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  is a very hard to say which one I like more because there are so
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  many more elements in the newer version that I like that
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  overtook what was in the original.
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  But there were aspects in the original that I think that like,
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  well, I could never, you can never re watch something for a
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  first time. Do you know what I mean?
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  And those elements that hit when I was younger, like I'll never
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  have that emotion with that again.
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  Yeah, and what I was saying before, but.
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  I do. No, I, I'm sorry.
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  I just wanted to finish that thought.
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  But I I do feel what you're saying.
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  Though it's it's also a thing though it was a dominant like
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  white character. And then once they started
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  putting like, oh, you can do the New Orleans version, or you
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  could do like different aspects of empires and people of color
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  or Spanish like Dust Till Dawn where it was all pretty much
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  Mexican culture. I think it's kind of cool
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  because it kind of breaks a barrier that like these
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  characters aren't identified by their race.
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  They could be. In the last two Twilight movies,
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  they kind of have to do this. They have I don't move out a
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  spoiler alert. They have to kind of bring
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  different clans of vampires together and they have ones
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  coming from Ireland that are wearing the kilts and
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  everything. And then they have ones that are
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  like from the Sahara and they have ones that are from like the
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  rainforest and wearing like like animal skins and stuff like
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  that. Like it's sick and it's
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  beautiful. I love it.
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  And then when I was, I just, I, I bumped it again.
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  Oh, books. Sorry Dracula Carmilla that that
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  the the female one has her own book and rice Vampire Chronicles
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  which is. The Interview with the Vampire
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  is one of the Vampire Chronicles.
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  Stephen King, Salem's Lot and Guillermo del Toro's The Strain
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  are ones that people talk about video games.
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  Castlevania Vampire the the The Masquerade Blood Rain, Melden
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  ring morgue storyline where there's a whole storyline there
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  and then some TV shows to check out.
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  Buffy the Vampire Slayer, True Blood, Being Human and What we
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  do in the shadows. Also some recommendations.
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  So before I get into closing, I want you to plug your business.
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  We don't physically have one anymore.
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  Can I just throw one more TV show really quick?
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  So I know we did kind of talk into a little bit of The Vampire
• 59:16
  Diaries, but going they did a spin off of that.
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  Was it the original the originals?
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  Yeah, which was off of the original 5 vampires and it was
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  its own spin off. But I think that in and of
• 59:28
  itself was a great thing to watch too, because it it kind of
• 59:31
  does go back and forth between like a modern version and like,
• 59:34
  let's go back to when we were doing everything with bales of
• 59:36
  hay and like all of that. And I think that's a really cool
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  thing to watch, too. And I think every TV show, even
• 59:41
  if it's not rooted in vampire shows, like the entire time,
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  like every long running show always is like, all right, well,
• 59:49
  this episode we're going to throw.
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  Even if it's done in a comedy sense, like where the characters
• 59:54
  think this person's a vampire or this person's a ghost or like
• 59:57
  like there's like different paranormal episodes like The
• 1:00:00
  Simpsons, Bob's Burgers or like this guy a vampire, you know
• 1:00:04
  what I mean? And there's always fun too,
• 1:00:05
  when. They kind of like, OK, well, I
• 1:00:07
  definitely didn't see his reflection.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah, 100% so that's always there too.
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  But you have made some vampire ish crafting, you made a
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  Nosferatu that you could check out on Lily's Instagram.
• 1:00:20
  But if you want to get your own vampire little crocheted
• 1:00:25
  plushie, hit her up. She will can make you one and
• 1:00:27
  send it to you. Anything.
• 1:00:30
  You probably make a few different things.
• 1:00:31
  I'll show a little, link it in there, whatever in my Instagram,
• 1:00:36
  I'll throw it up on a story or something so you guys can see
• 1:00:38
  it. But the little Nosferatu I made,
• 1:00:40
  it's probably about the size of a Funko Pop.
• 1:00:43
  But I have the pattern for it. I can remake it same size.
• 1:00:46
  But I recently found out that I can take any pattern that I have
• 1:00:50
  and use whatever size hook I want and make it however big I
• 1:00:55
  want, use the same pattern, just use more yarn.
• 1:00:57
  And so I can make an Asperatu that's this big with that
• 1:01:00
  pattern, which is what it originally showed.
• 1:01:02
  I can get an even smaller 1 and make like a keychain sized one
• 1:01:06
  if I wanted to be crazy, or I can make a giant sized 1.
• 1:01:10
  So. Yeah, hit around.
• 1:01:12
  So in close, from ancient demons to to aristocrat seducers, from
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  plagues to pop culture, vampires have mirrored our fears,
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  fantasies and flaws for over 5000 years.
• 1:01:25
  They changed the shape countless times, but one thing is eternal,
• 1:01:30
  our obsession with them. This has been the ABJ podcast
• 1:01:33
  Truth Behind Illusion, back for the second I guess episode on
• 1:01:37
  the rebrand with myself and Lily reminding you to always stay
• 1:01:41
  curious, stay spooky, and always check your neck before bed.
• 1:01:45
  We'll talk to you guys next time we're out of here.