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A Court of Chapters and Chatter and Preparing for A Court of Splintered Harmony · A Court of Chapters and Chatter

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SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to a Court of Chapters and Chatter, a weekly chapter-by-chapter reread of A Court of Thorns and Roses.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm one of your hosts, Hunter.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm your other host, Rachel.
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SPEAKER_00: And today we're talking about uh A Court of Splintered Harmony.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm never gonna remember that title.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, to prepare our thoughts before it comes out on Tuesday, October 27th.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we were gonna cover a few chapters.
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SPEAKER_02: We're like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about the new book.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's get some thoughts, ideas, and predictions out of the way.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Especially with all the uh quotes that she's been.
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SPEAKER_02: So then you can come back next week and see how stupid we are.
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SPEAKER_00: It's okay, because that's all it's it's the fun of it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's to just, you know, come up with your own theories and then be like, oh man, it wasn't that.
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SPEAKER_00: Or or it will be.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Just as fun.
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SPEAKER_02: Gonna win a bunch of internet internet points for being right.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: Or not.
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SPEAKER_00: Internet points.
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SPEAKER_00: What?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh as always, this podcast is spoilers everything.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, not spoiled content of the new book.
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SPEAKER_02: I I I know there's people out there who got it early.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, we are not those people than that.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so spoilers everything includes Aquatar, Throne of Glass, and Crescent City, and whatever the hell else we feel like talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: If it's not a Sarah J.
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SPEAKER_00: Mass book, we'll usually say a spoiler warning.
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SPEAKER_02: Usually.
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SPEAKER_00: Beforehand.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we forget though.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright, so uh we've gotten all these little little tidbit quotes from Sarah J.
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SPEAKER_02: Mass on Instagram all week.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I'm interested in the people that are reading them, too.
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SPEAKER_00: She has some very famous people, it sounds like.
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SPEAKER_00: She's not saying who they are.
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SPEAKER_00: But there's some like one of the one of the quotes was read, I think it's the first one, which is Farah's quote.
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SPEAKER_00: Was read by what sounded like Maya Hawk.
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SPEAKER_00: Really?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And then one of the other quotes was read, I think it was uh Nesta's quote yesterday, or on Thursday uh was written or was read by someone with a British accent, and I recognized their voice, and I was like, it so kind of sounds like Lena Heady.
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you pronounce her last name?
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SPEAKER_02: Um uh I would have guessed the two ways you said it, so uh, I'm not sure exactly how you pronounce her last name.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but it sounded like her, but I could be wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: But the voice sounded so familiar to me, but I didn't see any comments naming her.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm interested to see if they tell us who or show us who was reading their quotes and if they're gonna do the audiobooks.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, see, I was I was wondering if maybe they weren't gonna be uh I guess the the show got cancelled, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh it's yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And Sarah got all the rights back.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna assume there was some not agreeing on thing, the way things were going, especially with her issues right now with I assume Bloomsbury or whoever.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was just when you were listening off those names, I was like, man, what if what if they were actors for the story?
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SPEAKER_00: That'd be interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: It's possible.
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SPEAKER_00: Maya Hawk is Farah.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's po uh I think she's a little too old to be playing a 19-year-old.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: How old is Maya Hawk?
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SPEAKER_02: I couldn't tell you.
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SPEAKER_02: Her as Farah, though?
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SPEAKER_00: I can't picture her as Farah.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not impossible.
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SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not impossible.
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SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Are you looking it up?
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SPEAKER_02: She's 28.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so she's a bit older.
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SPEAKER_02: She's born in 1998.
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SPEAKER_02: Or no, that makes her yeah, that makes her 28.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, that makes her 28.
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SPEAKER_00: She's eight years younger than me.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not un unreasonable.
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SPEAKER_03: Alright.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Lena Hetty could make a good uh like amaranth or something.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a little old though.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody who's part fay is supposed to be No, they're all supposed to be like stuck in their what 20 to look like they're 25.
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SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: At most.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
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SPEAKER_00: Until they like hit the like even what when I picture like the Autumn King from Crescent City or the King of Hibern, I definitely picture someone slightly older.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, because they're but but even the Autumn King is he's only 500 well, I guess it's different.
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SPEAKER_00: I wonder what it's like in Midgard and how they age versus like in um Acatar's world.
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SPEAKER_00: They have not named Akatar's world, I've realized.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh Prithian is the territory that they live in.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Not the world.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh I'm in the middle of my reread of House of Flame and Shadow.
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SPEAKER_00: And Nest not Nesta.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh Bryce is talking to them about and she says, I my world is called Midgard.
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SPEAKER_00: What what is this world called?
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SPEAKER_00: And they won't tell her.
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SPEAKER_00: Which I think is interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Um but I also don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Do we know what Throne of God uh Aurelia is like the territory?
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SPEAKER_02: Um In Crescent City they just call it the Shifter Homeworld and they call it the Yeah, I know the Faye, the Faye Homeworld.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: They never get the names.
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SPEAKER_00: But she does list off like names of the other worlds that when she's in House of Sky and Breath, when she's in the Asteri Palace, and she's looking at like all the stuff in the room and all the worlds, and she's like starting to freak out and looking at everything.
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SPEAKER_00: She names some of the worlds.
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SPEAKER_00: She does.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm wondering if those are the names of their worlds.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway, sorry, I rambled.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, isn't it just like titled Dusk or something like that?
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SPEAKER_00: You're right.
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SPEAKER_02: I think Prithian was like code word dusk, and what was the I don't rem I haven't gotten there in my reread.
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SPEAKER_02: No, that's that's like the end of the first book or second book.
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SPEAKER_02: Second book, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: It's been so long since I've read that book.
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SPEAKER_00: And that wasn't part of our reread.
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SPEAKER_02: No, it wasn't.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh well.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll look it up and figure it out later.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright, so now let's get to these uh Instagram quotes.
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SPEAKER_00: Alright.
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SPEAKER_00: So she started them, I guess on Tuesday.
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SPEAKER_00: For there to be a whole week.
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SPEAKER_00: She has so though there will be seven quotes in total.
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SPEAKER_00: And so far she has done Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
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SPEAKER_00: So four quotes so far.
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SPEAKER_00: So we have three more to go.
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SPEAKER_02: Today's Friday, the 23rd.
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SPEAKER_00: It's it is.
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SPEAKER_02: We do a we want around here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we said we don't want to make it feel like a lot of work.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we've also had teenagers being teenagers this week.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's been a bit of a rough week for that.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So on Tuesday, it just said seven Phaera.
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SPEAKER_00: And then this is a, I would assume, is a quote from Phayrah.
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SPEAKER_00: And the quote said, My body wouldn't move, couldn't move.
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SPEAKER_00: I could do nothing to help him.
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing at all.
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SPEAKER_00: And I would die from it.
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SPEAKER_00: This despair and agony.
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SPEAKER_00: Please.
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SPEAKER_00: I tried to beg the darkness.
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SPEAKER_00: Please.
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SPEAKER_00: Anything, I'd give anything for him to be safe.
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SPEAKER_00: My life, my territory, my And then the darkness.
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SPEAKER_00: I that's what I named it because she said she was begging the darkness.
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SPEAKER_00: Would you give me that too?
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SPEAKER_00: So we don't know what the darkness is asking her.
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SPEAKER_00: She has a thought and it's asking if she'd give it to.
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SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
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SPEAKER_02: I Who talks like that?
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SPEAKER_00: Originally, I thought it was Fera talking about Reese trying to save him.
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SPEAKER_00: Because in that moment she's saying her body can't move, and there was nothing she could do to help him, and she would die from it because of their bargain.
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SPEAKER_00: If he dies, she dies.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I also have a theory on that wording specifically.
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SPEAKER_00: Their wording for their bargain is we'll leave this world together.
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SPEAKER_00: Was their wording.
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SPEAKER_00: But anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I have no idea what she could be thinking about bargaining to give to save whoever she's trying to save, whether it be Reese or possibly Nyx.
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SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts?
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SPEAKER_02: Um just that confirmed at least one point of view chapter of favors.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I definitely think there's gonna be a lot of point of views.
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SPEAKER_02: Um to me it sounds like um bargaining with the cauldron.
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SPEAKER_00: Possible.
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SPEAKER_00: Or I mean the sh she calls it specifically says the darkness, which we don't know what the darkness will be.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have our ideas, like Kushai, Cushai.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Gavin, you got you're talking about their bargain.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what your theory is, but I just you make me have a thought.
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SPEAKER_02: Can I just toss my thought up?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, toss up.
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SPEAKER_02: And then I'll tell you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So if they if they can't if they agree to leave together, we've always assumed that that means they the other would die if one dies.
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SPEAKER_02: But w what if one becomes undead until the other one also dies, and then they leave together.
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SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: It'd be kind of cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh it's Halloween spooky season, so.
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SPEAKER_00: I just assumed with the wording.
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SPEAKER_00: Their bargains are very specific with their wording.
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SPEAKER_00: Their wording wasn't when you die, I die.
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SPEAKER_00: It is when you leave this world, I'll leave this world with you.
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SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: I think they're going to leave their world together.
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SPEAKER_02: Vaya accidentally goes through one of Bryce's portals and Reese's like, ugh, it gets pulled through.
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SPEAKER_00: That would be funny.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh that was my thought on that their bargain.
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SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it could go all kinds of different directions.
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SPEAKER_00: Could because of the wording.
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SPEAKER_00: I I'm also wondering if maybe this is like a dream Fair is having, too.
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SPEAKER_00: If it's not real.
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SPEAKER_02: Could be.
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SPEAKER_00: And maybe she's dreaming and doesn't realize that it's actually something in her dream talking to her.
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SPEAKER_00: To see what it can bargain with her.
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SPEAKER_02: My life, my territory.
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm interested to see, like, because it says my life, my territory, my and then it cuts her off.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't get to see what she could have been willing to give up.
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SPEAKER_02: My mate.
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SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: My sister.
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SPEAKER_02: My magic.
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SPEAKER_00: Any of those things.
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SPEAKER_02: My immortality.
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SPEAKER_02: My immortal.
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SPEAKER_00: Um it's possible she could be willing to give up being Faye and going back to being human to save someone.
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SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: Made and unmade.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's uh let's put our chips on the table here.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you think the next word was about to be?
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SPEAKER_00: What?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, in the quote, what do I think?
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SPEAKER_00: I I also thought it was mate.
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SPEAKER_00: Mate?
14:39
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it makes the most sense.
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SPEAKER_00: And that she's giving it up for next I'm gonna throw down magic.
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SPEAKER_02: Just to just to Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Have something different.
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SPEAKER_02: Have a different answer, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't I have no idea though.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright.
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SPEAKER_02: The darkness being the Sorry I'm just looking at it written down.
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SPEAKER_02: Darkness as the name of the voice.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, because she says I tried to beg the darkness.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I that she didn't put that.
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SPEAKER_00: I did that.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, you did.
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SPEAKER_02: You did, I see.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it's well, she changes voices in that scene.
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SPEAKER_00: In because it's all so all of the these quotes are given they're read out.
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SPEAKER_02: Graphic audio style.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So like they show up, but when it switches, it's that's somebody else talking during that part.
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SPEAKER_00: So I had to rename it so you'd know that it was not favorite talking there.
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SPEAKER_02: I see, I see.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright, on to the next quote.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you want to read this one?
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SPEAKER_02: Do I?
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SPEAKER_00: It's up to you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Cassian, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: So Cassian let her go, let her keep walking down the hall and out the front door.
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SPEAKER_02: Nesta didn't look back at him.
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SPEAKER_02: Not once.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I feel like this is uh Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh Have you read the other quotes that I put on there that I've sent you?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I have a theory that this ties into Nesta's quote.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you want to do both of them together then?
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll read Nesta's.
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SPEAKER_00: So this so Nesta's quote came next, right after that, and she says, on trembling legs, head spinning, Nesta managed to get to her feet.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe whatever called to her over the northern horizon was a siren song, luring her away from what mattered.
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SPEAKER_00: Who mattered?
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SPEAKER_00: Come, it beckoned, but to where?
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SPEAKER_00: To what end?
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SPEAKER_00: More shadows and loneliness and secrets?
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SPEAKER_00: It would consume her if she let it.
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SPEAKER_00: So it sounds to me like Cassian doesn't realize she's being beckoned.
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SPEAKER_00: And she's follow she's not even turning around and looking at him, and she's just going straight because from her quote, something is calling her to the north.
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SPEAKER_02: To the north.
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SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: What?
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SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's my theory on Cassian's, and then on Nesta's.
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SPEAKER_00: And as soon as I read or heard that quote, all it reminded me of was Elsa getting called to the north.
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SPEAKER_00: To the north wind.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that part.
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SPEAKER_02: Um on trembling legs, head spinning, Nesta managed to get to her feet.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I'm just uh reading it out loud to myself again.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm interested to see what is calling her from the north.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot there's a lot of north.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Um what is north?
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SPEAKER_00: Like where it it I guess it all depends on where she is.
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SPEAKER_02: True.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, is she still in the night court?
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SPEAKER_00: Because the night court's north, so anything more north would be the Illyrian steps or Ramiel.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh.
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SPEAKER_02: That could be.
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SPEAKER_00: Like our discussion of what we think is under Ramiel.
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SPEAKER_00: Could be beckoning her.
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SPEAKER_00: Huh.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, it sounds to me like it there's absolute mayhem going on, and there's the new powerful something that she needs to Although that would just be retreading the same trope again of her gathering up more stuff to save the day.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's just her though, because we also have a Fayra quote.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there's gonna be a lot of them all working together.
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SPEAKER_00: Because we I mean, so far we've got Fayra, Cassian, Nesta, and then our next quote, which will be Lucian.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of point of views.
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SPEAKER_02: It is.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: Do you think it's gonna be like how in especially the last Crescent City book, everybody's separate?
20:08
SPEAKER_02: You know, Bryce is over in Prithian, uh Hunt and Baxian and uh Rune are in one spot.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: And then Ethan and Therion have their own chapters, and then they even get split up, and Ethan's Austrian Alpha Wolf.
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SPEAKER_02: And so there's like five things going on at once.
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SPEAKER_00: I do think that is is, I think because Moore's still gonna be in what, like Ballahan or something, possibly.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: And then we're going to have something happening over where near Kosai I don't know how to fucking pronounce it.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Koshai.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Koshai's lake.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: Something's going to happen there, especially because we got a sneak peek at the map.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: And there's way more territories that they're showing over on the other continent.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's going to be a lot of people in different places.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, because there's also, and maybe we're gonna go back into Lucian's past.
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SPEAKER_00: There's also like new territory added in the autumn court, or new new, there's a new image with like a name in Lucian's in the autumn court.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's just gonna be a lot.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: No, I have another question for you.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: Um we know the books are essentially a one big book kind of split.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: Now, do you think it's like I think I've already asked you this before, but do you think the books are happening at the same time, or do you think it's literally part one, part two?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes, which I think these are all going That's so hard to say because she did with like Throne of Glass, she did the um tandem Tower of Dawn, Empire Storms.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Which was so fucking annoying to read them that way without tandem reading them.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, would you be pissed if this Nesta and Cassian thing is like the very beginning and Nesta goes off and it's just like we'll catch back up with Nesta and whoever went with her in January.
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SPEAKER_00: No, because it's such a short time.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm okay with there being the space she has.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: She has it spaced for a reason.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: She's uh I Sarah.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: She like she spaced out what releasing her books for a reason.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm not well, I'm not gonna talk about that.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: She's releasing a book at the very end of 2026 and another book at the very beginning of 2027 that should have been in a book together to accommodate her eight-book contract with Bloomsbury.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: I see what you're getting at.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: So she's uh this next book is book six, then the book that comes out in January is book seven.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: She is only gonna have one more book.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: I see.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: So she's contracted contracted to hit a book every year.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: She's covered.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: I see what you're saying.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: That's why she's releasing them this way.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh is this today's?
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Um the Lucian one.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: The Lucian quote is today's.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh Friday, October 23rd.
23:51
SPEAKER_02: Because I haven't I haven't read this one.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: Serenade me, Rachel.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: Me?
23:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Lucian ran a hand through his hair.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Tamlin had saved him, and then Lucian had rebuilt himself, his life.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: Only for Fayra to bring it all crumbling down.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: That's some bullshit.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: Now, we don't know.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: This is obviously like an inner thought, I would assume, the way it's read.
24:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:25
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, yeah.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: But I'm wondering.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: Unless Lucian's standing there saying Lucian.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: But uh I just feel like with that, we're probably going to have Lucian thinking back and get some Lucian point of view.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: And then because of the map showing a new area in the autumn court, we'll get some stuff going on in there.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: So we're probably led to believe this is about things that we already know have happened.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: But what if something happens where Farah lets it be known that Helian is actually Lucian's dead.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: It is Helian, right?
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: You think Pharaoh's got that would make everything crumble down.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: It would.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: It would be interesting if, you know, if we were baited into thinking this was just about, you know, book one and two.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: But really, Pharaoh drops another bomb that, you know.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Especially if we're gonna get uh autumn court stuff going on.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: That's what I feel about all these quotes.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: Like I know they're picked to make you think you are.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: They're also picked, I think, because they're gonna be from a different person's point of view.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: How many you think we're gonna have seven point of views?
26:11
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna end up with a an Azreel point of view, because one of them's gonna have to be an Azreel point of view.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: So we've already got four, right?
26:21
SPEAKER_00: Fera, Cassian, Nesta, Lucian.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: One of them's gonna be have to be Azreel, possibly more, and possibly Reese.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: It'd be seven point of views, and that'd be a different person for each day leading up to the release.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: If we if we do get a uh a POV of Lucian Lucian POV.
26:52
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
26:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm immediately just gonna think about uh Reese being like, oof, inside Lucian's head, what a miserable place to be.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: He does what which one I guess that was this Akamaf.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: When when Vera accidentally lets it slip that she slipped inside Lucian's mind.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, she he asks her, have you have you slipped in anybody else's mind?
27:20
SPEAKER_02: And she thinks about Lucian, and he's already reading her mind and goes, Lucian.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: It's good stuff.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: These quotes are interesting.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: Do you think it's gonna be one of those like uh where this whole book is like one day and it's shit hits the fan, and our our all of our main characters are getting separated, and this book ends with them each like departing in different directions to go do different things.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like we're not gonna come to any kind of like story arc conclusion by the end of this.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: There has to be some sort of not conclusion, but some sort of because she wrote it in a part one.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: This is part one.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: Then there's part two and three are going to be in the next book.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: So this has to have some sort of conclusion-ish.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: For her to like have it as part one.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: Right, like the end of part one of Lord of the Rings when Sam and Friday are in their canoe, and it's possible that they're gonna do that.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: It's not like we have long to wait.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: We're waiting from October 27th until January 12th.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: It's a long time.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: That is not in the grand scheme of things when we have waited years for this.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: When was the last book?
29:12
SPEAKER_00: Last episode Accord of Silver Flames came out in 2021.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: Dang.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: It has been five years since she released an Avatar book.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I'm not questioning you, I'm just trying to figure out what the month was.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: House of Sky and Breath came out in 2022.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: February 16th, 2021 was when a court of silver flames came out.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: So it's been over five years.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: It's been almost six years.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, it'll be almost seven years when minus a month.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: No.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: Well, 2021 to 2027.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: Six years.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how to do math.
30:11
unknown: I know.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Just kidding.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Actually, you're better at math than I am, but so five years and eleven months?
30:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you count them as one book.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Which I don't know.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: I see what you're saying.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: You're you're putting six and seven together.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Six and seven.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Fucking kids.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Kids don't even like that anymore.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: No.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh I guess that was kind of it with the quotes.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, so what do you any any predictions?
30:52
SPEAKER_02: No.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm having a real hard time.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: She's she's given us a lot of nothing.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, these are quotes, but there's no way to like understand the quotes without knowing where they are, what they're doing, who they're talking to, um, who they're talking about.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: Like the only one that I can really feel like I'm pinpointing correctly is the Cassian Cassian Nesta situation.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I'm uh she's obviously getting called forth by something that had would have had something to do with the cauldron.
31:35
SPEAKER_00: You would think.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: Since she's made by the cauldron.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: Or the mother.
31:39
SPEAKER_02: Or the mother.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: But then like the mother calling her?
31:43
SPEAKER_00: That's that's a full fucking Elsa moment there.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: In Frozen 2.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, spoilers for Frozen 2 if you haven't seen it.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: They capitalize on her mommy issues at the very end of Flame and Shadow.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: She like bonded with Bryce's mom.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: She gives you like a big kind of hug.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: And my point is the um whole scene in Frozen 2, I don't know if you remember it.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: It's been a while.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: She gets called by the siren voice to go to the north.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: And so when she finally does, and it's like that whole song, and she has to go down into the sound, but it's so cold down there that if she went goes too far to find discover the truth about everything, she will drown but and die.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: But she is literally Elsa with her magic.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: So she doesn't actually die, but she finds out the truth about what actually happened.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: Which is possible.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: It's possible that Nest is getting called forth by the mother to go to Under the Mountain of Ramiel and find out what actually happened and how to defeat Koshai.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: Alright, so a book like this has to have uh an inciting event to like kick it off.
33:08
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: So what do you think our because I had an idea, but what do you think our uh uh I'm trying to think of uh the right word, but what what's gonna be our big problem?
33:27
SPEAKER_00: What's in this book?
33:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:29
SPEAKER_02: Like obviously it's gonna be Koshai, but yeah, but I feel I feel like we get we got a hint, but go ahead.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: I can't, I don't know.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Alright, I'll tell you what I was thinking.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: What if the book starts and Kosai has somehow kidnapped Nyx?
33:49
SPEAKER_00: Ah yeah.
33:51
SPEAKER_02: You think I'm right, don't you?
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: So was I mean I see a lot of theories scrolling on Instagram without even I sent you one about I literally sent you the one about Nyx.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: Umx is an extremely powerful goddess.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: In but in real mythology.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: However, in the Avatar series, Nyx, the baby, is going to be very, very fucking powerful because his father is the most powerful High Lord ever in Prithian.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Because he's as well as well as an Illyrian.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: As well as Yeah, he's got Illyrian magic.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: He's got night court magic, and he's got all of the seven vlog magic.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: He had he has every single court's magic, and his mother was maid, and his father's part what we assume, part vogue.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: And part Illyrian and very powerful.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: So and then Vera's got some of all of it.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: I do think that he will come into play.
35:22
SPEAKER_02: Do you think I'm right?
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Do you think he got kidnapped?
35:25
SPEAKER_00: Do I think he he got kidnapped?
35:27
SPEAKER_00: It's not a good thing.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: It's all tropey.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: I know.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: So I don't really care because I love it I love a good trope.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: The tropes for a reason.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: That's a good thought though.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: I could I could agree with that.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Being possible.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: But uh everybody's right gonna gonna die if Nyx gets kidnapped.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: So what what do you think would make Lucian have to go back to the Autumn Court?
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: This feels like that'd be the last place he would want to go.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: He'd have to do that.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: Something with his mom, maybe.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've still got like Eris in play from reading Silver Flames.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: He was very important to helping them with Kushai and all that stuff.
36:38
unknown: Interesting.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: So I feel like he'd be important somehow.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: Maybe they need his dogs again.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: What?
36:47
SPEAKER_02: He's got the the hounds that are the best.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: Just regular hounds though, not hellhounds.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Or bloodhounds.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that what they call it?
36:59
SPEAKER_00: The that's what um in uh Crescent City.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Danica was able to sniff out the bloodlines.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, yeah.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: I was like, the word hounds?
37:14
SPEAKER_02: That's I got them too.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: That's different.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: That's they have those in uh Nightcourt.
37:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: It'd be nice to explore uh like the creatures down in the caves that Reese didn't know were down there.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's never explored any of that.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Fucking liar.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh any other thoughts?
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh sorry.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh on on that thought.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: I just feel like there's gonna be a lot of uh I don't know.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: I feel like after doing my reread of uh my my mind is upset with Reese and there's a lot he knows that he doesn't tell anyone.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: And he hides way too much, and I don't like that.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: And so does Amran.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: They know way more than they let on, but they don't want to talk about it with anyone, and I think that's extremely I mean, I get it from an author's point of view, that's kind of the point.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: But from a reader's point of view, and thinking Reese was such a wonderful character for most of my reading of it, and then going back to reread it with all the information going into all our like big reread of connecting everything, I just can't look at Reese the same.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, unless I don't know.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Hunter, is there ever a world where you hide the fact that I'm dying while giving birth from me?
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:10
SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: My mind's not changed in that he doesn't like love Fera, obviously.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: And he's a still a good person, I think.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, but he's still a good male.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh I just I don't know why he would keep as many secrets as he does from Pharaoh about what he knows about the worlds.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Those are just my thoughts.
39:46
SPEAKER_02: I know.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully we'll get more information going into the next book.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I have the I forgot I had this at the bottom.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of the quotes.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: Um if you look at her Instagra Sarah J.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: Mass's Instagram page where she has all of them popping up, each quote gets the background for each quote gets progressively darker and darker until you can see stars in the last one.
40:25
SPEAKER_00: Lucian's quote there.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: So interesting.
40:31
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Interested to know what that's about.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
40:45
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Go on.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: How pissed off would you be if each one of these quotes was where we leave each character at the end of this book?
40:58
SPEAKER_00: That would fucking suck.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: Like January feels really far away if that's where you leave these characters, right?
41:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I've got a lot of books I need to read.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: A lot of books.
41:18
SPEAKER_02: Do you have anything else you wanna?
41:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: I think we covered everything that uh, you know, we really wanted to talk about with the quotes.
41:29
SPEAKER_02: And our ramblings.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'll actually open up our Instagram page and talk about the or repost at least, you know, some of the next couple days of quotes before this episode g goes out.
41:44
SPEAKER_02: It's a good idea.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: Just quick little videos chatting.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: About them.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll try to do that.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh our next episode will be after we finish this book.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Hope you're ready for that.
42:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to read.
42:09
SPEAKER_02: Start it with a real spoiler warning.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: Like Yeah, this is a brand new book.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: Come back.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Do not listen to our next episode after this if you are not if you have not read a court of Shattered Splintered Harmony.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: One of these days I'll remember it.
42:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't like it.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, it's weird.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: I think you're correct though, that they're all gonna split up.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: Splintered Harmony is the group being split up.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: Makes sense.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: Do you think they're gonna mating?
42:51
SPEAKER_00: You're killing me here, honey.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I got that called too.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you're right.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: That's exactly what it is.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: It's all gonna splinter.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: And then what's the name of the next book?
43:02
SPEAKER_00: A court of I don't know.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be so mad at myself for forgetting this.
43:11
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm gonna I'm gonna put my my predictions down here.
43:15
SPEAKER_02: I think Nyx is gonna get kidnapped, which is gonna kick off the events of the book.
43:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think all of our mating mates are gonna be split up.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: And uh it's about as I agree.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: So, okay.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: This book is called A Court of Splintered Harmony.
43:45
SPEAKER_00: And then book seven is called A Court of Forgotten Melody.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: Um has the Stygian spider on it.
43:57
SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be something in there.
43:59
SPEAKER_02: A Court of Forgotten Melody.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: So what do you think about like that's gonna be like Asreel and Gwynne's book?
44:08
SPEAKER_00: Azreel's a sh a shadow singer.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: Gwyn's.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: He's the only one we haven't had a quote from from Sarah.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Gwynne's a light singer.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: And he's a shadow singer, and like, you know, bringing that forgotten melody to put those Vogged back to sleep.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: Or something like that.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: The Death Gods.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Koshiya the Deathless.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: Back to sleep or something.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
44:36
SPEAKER_00: Any other predictions?
44:36
SPEAKER_00: Just be the stupidest thing I've ever said.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: Any other predictions you want to put your stamp on?
44:42
SPEAKER_00: No.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: No?
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Well I no.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm here to enjoy it, not just make predictions.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: You like to you like to you like to try to guess at the plot and every little thing for everything.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: Movies, TV shows, books.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: And like I like to make little little guesses and then just enjoy reading it.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: All right, well, I think that about uh wraps us up.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh if you have any thoughts, comments, questions, theories, predictions, predictions for the next book, you can email them to us at feedback.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: Feedback at chaptersandchatter.com, which will be in the show notes, as well as our Instagram page, which you can also message us on there if that's better for you.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: And we will discuss it in the next episode.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for listening.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: And we will see you after the next book.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: See you next time.
45:50
SPEAKER_02: Later.