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#168: A Collegiate Athlete's Guide to Life After College - Anthony Agazarm · The Healthy Diabetic

• 0:18
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so today's guest is a previous listener favorite.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: I got to sit down with Anthony.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: Anthony was on episode 129 and we talked in depth about his diagnosis during his time wrestling at the Ohio State University and his transition from being a non-diabetic to being diagnosed with diabetes and trying to figure out how to deal with diabetes while playing at a collegiate level and during that transition, being able to have access to all of Ohio State's medical team and athletic trainers and coaches and dieticians and all this support that he was able to get at diagnosis and his ability, with all that support, to learn really fast on how to deal with diabetes and still be able to compete at a high level.
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: And now his transition from having all that support and now being basically a civilian outside of the collegiate you know, be competing at a collegiate level and now coaching and competing in Jiu Jitsu and learning how to transition from all that support to not having all that support, you know, basically being a civilian.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: So those are the things that we talked about in this episode and I'm really excited for you guys to listen to the conversation and learn more about Anthony and his transition to, you know, trying to figure out diabetes without all of that support that he had when he was at Ohio State.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: So, without further ado, let's get with Anthony man.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: What's up how you doing?
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: We got you back, man.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: We got you back on the show.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, absolutely, it's good to have you back on, man.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Last episode that you were on was 129.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, you know I've been noticing you're crushing on the media game.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: Your Instagram is popping off.
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you're crushing it.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: That's awesome to hear.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's been a fun ride with all these different products and getting this year just situated and taking care of is already.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: You know, one speaking engagement already set up for 2025 or 24.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, we're podcast is doing great and you know, business is going good.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: It's going well, jim family's doing good.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: I have no complaints.
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, the diabetes is going great.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: Just got another A1C today, still at 6.1.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: So it's holding strong, brother.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I've always said my favorite number is seven.
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: You know, growing up, but now that I'm a diabetic I think it's six and five Hearing that from you it makes you want to work towards it.
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah man Like I just, yeah, yeah, I know, there's like still, I constantly talk about you know people listening to this.
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: I'm constantly talking about figuring out what works for you.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: And it's so true because even me, like knowing what works, having everything figured out at least I believe I have everything figured out I still know there's room for improvement and that doesn't just like drive me every day Like it makes me like passionate to keep learning the things I don't even know.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: I had a conversation with someone the other day and I just they said something.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like oh my God, yeah, that was.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: It was like mind blowing because I've thought about that type of stuff before, thought about it before, but it was something that just popped in my brain.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: That because it's not on my daily radar, and when something's not on your daily radar, you just don't think about it.
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: So it's just, it's an important thing to keep driving home of constantly trying to learn, even when you know you figured everything out.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm always trying to correct and re-correct or just like get back to the script and learn more.
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: So that's great.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how's, how's everything with you?
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: You're in jiu-jitsu now like big time.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: How's everything going, man?
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy that you say you know in, because I've been doing it for a while.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: I just I'm back in it.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: So it feels like you know I'm back, like yeah, it's great, I'm really excited.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: I think the energy has been so different for me I think there's less, less nerves and more fun.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: So it's been.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: It's been really entertaining for me and getting back into shape has been fun and not a lot of times.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: People have fun working out.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I hear that for sure.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: What, what would like?
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  Speaker 2: What is your numbers band?
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Because I want to.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: I want to dive into like how you've changed things up.
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: Last time I last time we spoke a while back it was just coming out of out of school almost, and like all that stuff and like you wrestling at Ohio State and we talked a lot about how you managed your blood sugars.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think wrestling and stuff, and I'd love to to kind of dive into that of, like, you know, how are the blood sugars been going since you, you know, since wrestling?
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Dude, my diabetes changes every day.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: I think, just knowing that, I think my diabetes changes a lot, man.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: So just looking back from the last time we spoke, you know my numbers have been, you know, roller coaster, but steady as much as they can be.
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: So I don't refract from perfection per se but like I do notice, like some similar, you know, patterns, but you know I'm back to finger pricking sometimes, I'm on a CGM, sometimes adjusting my basal sometimes, and I'm just I'm trying to be aware of my day like the most planned way.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm very strategic with my days.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: I think just seeing patterns and learning about them like helped me control my numbers.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: And even though I've been traveling, you know you see a little bit more of fluctuation in the numbers, but it feels rewarding at the end if you have a good week or you know you notice a perfect day.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: So my numbers have been great, man.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: I've been trucking along.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: I try to stay, you know, within the range of 100 and 150 and less than spending time in the highs or lows, like I just try to spend time in the range and that's like a game for me.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's awesome, man.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: How are you doing, like, when you're actually practicing or competing?
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: Like, how are the numbers?
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Do you like to be at it, like set at a specific number?
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're actually on the mat, when you're actually competing, practicing, is there like a number that you like to start at because you know you'll fall a little bit, or vice versa?
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: What?
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because there's so many different types of Wrestling, or I mean practices and jiu-jitsu, or even if I'm just going to the gym to lift weights or just do a little bit of cardio.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: So each, each different activity is is different for me, but I like to feel comfortable, like 160, and I know some, you know, and those might get mad at me, for you know hanging out in the 161 80 range because if it's an extensive long practice practice, I'll have to consume something at some point.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rather than that, I'll also go down because of the the high activity level.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: So I like to be around 161 80 because I'll anticipate going down from the Workout and then just overall the duration as well.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: So I like to keep less food around.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, stopping to eat just I've never really Notice that and until it was me doing it.
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: And and when I've seen someone, you know, stop and eat, like I Just would much rather be quick and and not have it, you know, resist me from a good training, or like make me sit out for too long because I can't feel my body, or yeah.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, certain things.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: So the interesting piece to that, then, is is that is there like a specific time, like duration into practice, into a match, that your blood sugars start Trending down more where you'd have to take action to help bring them up or keep them steady?
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: Well, it really depends on you know your consistency in your days, because if you have an early workout, you know when your nights are high and you wake up with high sugar.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: You have to correct, and then you have to correct for the activity as well, as you know, the basal in your long lasting.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: So again, there's.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: There's more and more different workouts for me in the day, but if I'm looking at, like you know, going into a workout mid-afternoon around one, having, you know, a steady number of 160 180.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: I like to consume like something like with a little bit of fat, a Little bit of sodium, like like I had you know suggested, and give you these salt drinks.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I really, really love those.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: I like going into any workout with, you know, zero sugar or a lecture like drink that you know makes you feel good the duration.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: But then I also like to consume a little snack, like you know, maybe some almonds, or you know I do like peanuts and I do like Just short like snack on the way, you know, to the workout or if I'm driving and it's not gonna, you know, stop me from getting there on time.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I like that man, that's cool.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Um, what like when you because you talked about traveling and we talked a little bit off air About you traveling and the fact you're traveling so much, like you know, moving from Ohio to New Jersey, back to California like how was traveling right now with your blood sugars me doing something specific to help with your blood sugars during travel?
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just looks like a very, very prepared Anthony.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of like that answer.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: I've prepared, anthony man, just knowing where all my supplies are at, and and snacks, because I try to stay away from refined sugar when I'm traveling Because I'm not active, right, I'm sitting on a plane.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: Most times I'm, you know, reading or sleeping and yeah, so it's been good because I've been prepared enough, you know, for it, but it's, it has it up.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: It's ups and downs, you know.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you know I'll be on a flight and my sugar will be at 220 and there's no water coming from there, the flight attendant and I've already finished my canteen, so Sometimes that that struggles, you know, and when I get off the plane I immediately drink a ton of water and re-correct her.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just, I'm staying active as well as like not being active on an airplane or or behind a bus or a Uber.
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to Write down, but if I, if I'm traveling, I tend to, you know, stay away from writing down, or if my notepads or I just like read labels a lot, yeah if it's in a package.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're talking about writing down.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about writing down your blood sugars and tracking that way?
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you say writing down.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're referring to?
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: home.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would Be good, like as far as similar meals that I eat.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: I would write down my number before and then write down my number, you know, 20 minutes after To see where it brought me, because then I could correct my insulin and then I could, you know, revisit that without having to even look and my numbers would be great.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: So the same thing with you know some of the the high fructose, high, high sodium.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: You know snacks that you do encounter while traveling.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I do love peanuts on a plane.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: Or you know Pretzels on a plane given to me, or just anything right.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: So if I'm just grabbing a, a label from the airport or you know a store and traveling, I like to write it down because then it I'm aware of what I'm eating, because it's away from what's in my home, and like if I'm Conscious of that many calories or that many carbs, I Don't want to go through that much insulin throughout the day and like, yeah, just be all that sluggish feeling.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that there's another layer To you know kind of tell the listeners on with this, because you're talking about calories, you're talking about sugar, you're talking about carbohydrates, you're talking about tracking and covering for you know, different blood sugars.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: But the other thing, when we talk about those concepts or those thought processes, is that you're also trying not to Gain or lose a bunch of weight, because you're competing, yeah, and, and it's part of your sport that you have to make sure you maintain a specific weight, so that that's the other like Elephant in the room and all this.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, you know, huge shift in wrestling and jiu-jitsu for me with weight.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, conscious of your weight is huge and any combat sport, just because you know you got to be comfortable as well as, like, you know, opponent, you know, facing the same size.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: So I've always been, you know, knowledgeable on the subject and cut weight, but not until I step into a house.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: They got flown with education from these dietitians and and practitioners and and Ochronologists and and all that, all these good people.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: But the weight is crazy because it helps learn diabetes, I feel like, because, just like counting my carbs, I'm counting the weight from the same item that I'm eating and then it's Going through my body if it's you know grown on trees, and it's not if it's in a package.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I, yeah, I just I think that that is an important piece to kind of bring back, because it's it's not just about one person Trying to figure out how do I deal with all this stuff when I'm traveling, but it's there's another layer to it and I think that that that layer has a lot of Important pieces, because so many of us are either trying to maintain, lose or gain weight.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, those are the three things you're gonna be doing.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: You know a lot of people that listen to this show are athletes like yourself.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: A lot of people who listen to this show wanna lose weight.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of people on this show wanna gain weight because they're athletes.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: So it's one of those things that's an important piece that I don't talk about that often because of the topics that we're talking about, but making sure that it's not just about the blood sugars and correcting those blood sugars and being proactive with your blood sugars.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: It's also about the other things that you have set as goals in your life, totally man, just like you said it.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: So not even just like a number in weight, I think, just being comfortable in a weight where you know you can take your shirt off and look good or feel good even.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And I've been around the same weight for the last seven, eight years and I've always gone the weight class under and I've had no problem losing 10 or wherever many pounds.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I don't wanna get extensive on the weight distribution, dropping and stuff, but yeah, man, just get comfortable with the weight and then just taking care of yourself totally and all aspects helps for sure.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so then let's circle back to the weight piece.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I had a feeling you were gonna say that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's circle back to this, because this is an important piece for people, not just listening to this podcast, but people in general, of what the difference is, right.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: So the first question is is let's put a face on what it's really like in terms of gaining weight going up weight class, down weight class, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, whatever it is in college right, when you were in college, because it's totally different in college when you were in college.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Then it is now right, it's a totally different way you're losing weight.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: It's a totally different way you're going down to the next weight class.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So let's start there.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: What was the kind of?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: What was your week?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: What did your week look like either?
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Nutrition wise, blood sugar wise, how the weight had to come off, how much weight you had to lose, everything you know to get ready to go down to that next weight class.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: What was that like in college?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Man nuts in short, nuts, but I think just diving into it was just like new to me and learning about diabetes.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: While I was so aware of fluctuating in my weight, I feel like it helped me.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Like losing weight, you can't eat so-and-so crap or refined sugar or stuff that's not growing in the trees or that's in packages, and when you do so it stops, you know, your body from losing that weight easily.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: It stays in your body, high sodium stays in your body, sits in your face and a lot of things that just sit on you.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: You could work out as many times and get over exhausted and it just still is there sitting, because that's what it's for.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It's for.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: You know your escape to feel good and to sit on you and poison you essentially, but no it helped me.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I think watching my weight helped me watch my sugar, because if I was so strategic man, I think the advice and help from Ohio State was crazy helpful and it was just really, really awesome to be around because I learned so much as far as like what to do to be organized.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So then I took it upon myself because, you know, I only wrestled from 16 to 18 and going through the weight distribution with a dietitian was a little bit different because you know it was this petite 30 year old lady and she's never wrestled but she's a great dietitian.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So I was like a sponge when I was around her and you know she would advise me to just start.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: This is a great starter for newbies or anyone you know that's in an athletic world or trying to watch their weight is like you start with the first week, seven days, writing down all of the food you consume.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I just want to see what food you put in your mouth.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's good or bad, I just want you to write it all.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Once you get a total seven days of that, then you can start to see the numbers on that because, aside from what you consume, then I want you to write how to make you feel.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You know you can get silly, maybe feel like sluggish crap you know, and then you read it and it shows you know what you shouldn't and shouldn't do, or what you should do when you do it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And just watching my weight, so I was really, really hydrated.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I try to drink like 200 ounces of water a day even when I'm not on the mat.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of water.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just high protein breakfasts, low fat and, you know, snacks throughout the day, and I'm getting my steps in, at least eight to 10 K steps a day.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: That's allowing me to circulate my metabolism.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Excuse me when I'm, you know, not exercising, so when I do my radars, my guns are going.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm up, I'm ready and I'm explosive because I'm hydrated, I'm refueled on great nutrients and I'm just explosive.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So I think, just like treating your body, you know, like you deserve, it will allow you to perform better.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But not even, you know, because some practices that go Extensively and you know I rushed to practice and I only grabbed, you know, one bar instead of a whole bag that, you know, my mom or aunt told me to do and I just had been like, all right, you're learning, you're learning, so I have to train.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: For, you know, two three-hour practices in your head and then, every time, if you think you're gonna have those, you have a one.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You're good.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, now that I'm prepared for you know, hard two-hour practice, I'll be be well prepared with my snacks, with my, my refueled, and then my energy will be up and then you can have a great practice.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So I think just staying hydrated is one for sure and then slowly downsizing that weekly track of yours, because when you start to change it, you know, with a health advisor or even by yourself, like you don't need anyone else to tell you to stop eating.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: You know a fistful of whatever.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to be.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: You don't need someone to tell you to stop going to McDonald's all time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I think that should be clear.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And I speak, you know, highly McDonald's at times, but I didn't have it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So I was 21 and you know I'm not a big fan of like.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You know certain like Let me start over with that, because that was a, you know.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And there's a Ocho Sinko reference with McDonald's and he loves it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: He eats McDonald's any trains and he's one of the fastest athletes in the world, but he's a.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: He's the one percenter exactly.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So I want to be that one percenter, except I want to stay away from that crap.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: If something's on the corner, it's not because they're a good burger restaurant, it's because they're a good real estate marketing company that knows how to sell you on a burger that looks like it's.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Amazing times, better on camera and taste amazing, and the whole nine yards.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So, yes, this is good stuff.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: So let's, let's talk about this.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: When you were in college, how many calories per day were you consuming, compared to now?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that you know.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: That's actually a good question.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think I'd have to look into some of my my name.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: A wild guess, yeah, probably like 22, 2300, I think in college.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing now?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, not as much.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're not grounded and rooted with, you know, a fridge, and You're not gonna be be able to unless you're, you're, you're really, really on top of it and you know, stay now my aunt's has its, has its pros and cons and one of them you know as being it's.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm always fed good food and I can't stop eating when I'm there.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So just knowing you know my calories, I didn't even care for.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I just was more curious as to like which one did I feel good at, because I think in college I was probably eating the most, and when I mean eating the most is because I had a lot of Tough practices and right now, jiu Jitsu from wrestling is not.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: You know the same as far as, like, getting Outworked from you know well, yeah, you're talking, yeah, you're talking, or someone tough on you.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about collegiate, high-level wrestling, compared to Jiu Jitsu where you're going and practicing and getting ready for competition and go to meet and to go compete.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You know, nice, but it this, but it's not the same, it's not the same intensity, it's a different intensity and then that could be, that could be looked in any way because, like, I'm speaking as far as just like going through the you know the basic and you know trial of Jiu Jitsu if you want to take it to the next level.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I know guys like Joao and pal meow in New Jersey, if you're ever there and you want to learn Jiu Jitsu.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Jersey City.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: They are one of the most intense Jiu Jitsu gyms in the world and I think if I picked those two Brazilians up and put them in Ohio State, they would do, if not, better than the guys in there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it has, you know.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can be saying wrestling places in the world.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah are Jiu Jitsu, but there are some yeah, and when I say intensive intensity, I'm not talking about necessarily the difficulty of the practice or the match.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I'm talking more in terms of, like, the intensity and the focus of, hey, I'm waking up, I'm eating this because it's it's given to.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: You have full access to it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Right, you have full access to eat specific things that you're told to eat.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You don't have to make the decision or choose yourself.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm going to practice that I'm going to fuel and then I'm going to go do this and then I'm going it's so more regimented and obviously at a big-time Collegiate school, then it would be like what you're doing now, right?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So the intensity is different, not just for practice, but even just in your life.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Your life is totally different, right?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Your?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Your life right now is different in in terms of you traveling Constantly.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Right, you're getting ready to leave tomorrow from Columbus and go back to California.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I almost said Florida, but go back to go back to California, right?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: So there's that travel aspect of it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So your management, your management style right now is different than it was when you were Competing at a high level, at a high estate, because you had one style and it was the same every single day.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Now, Because you're in the real world like all the rest of us, right, and traveling and doing things like, your management style changes in in each aspect of you know of the week, of the day.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Because you're traveling, you're doing.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You're doing different things.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You're eating different now at your aunt's house that you have access to food than you are when you're at home, right.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So those types of things are important for someone that has an Evolving and an ever-changing schedule.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It's important to think about that stuff, because your management style is not going to be the Same.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: It's going to be different every day.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: No, totally, and as long as you manage it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I think that you know managing something in particular needs to be all focused on, and wrestling in college, you know, had its intensities, level and like, aside from the hard practice, just learning the way of life.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: At that time I wish I paid attention more because the decision you know making has, you know, been fun to make on your own and you learn Very quickly in the real world.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you know what you should and shouldn't do in all aspects so.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I think managing all aspects of your life is great.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100% in terms of like, can you talk to a little bit about the complexities of college?
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: What are the complexities in terms of you competing right now in your life?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been some huge shifts.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I think jiu-jitsu is is is standoff away from like Wow, 20 pounds in in one week or wow 10 15 pounds in one week is crazy to jujitsu practitioners.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: You know, just because of that that hard work aspect of wrestling and learning to get that weight off.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But the cool thing about you know going through college and learning even you know a better way of doing it and then bringing it to jujitsu with me.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It's cool because wrestling you know you can weigh in the day before, sometimes the night, and jujitsu it's five minutes before you go six minutes before you go.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So if not only your weight is off and your numbers are off, you're screwed.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: You know, my latest competition I was.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I was mounting to my brother, gatorade Gatorade, and I'm 20 feet away from him, he's he's on a bear cave with his phone out to record and he did not hear me and I texted him.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I had no service and Everything I had consumed was was good and I just hit a spike and or low, I'm sorry, and it was like Crud and I saw it worker and they helped me out and I went straight into a match.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: So I think the biggest shift was just like weighing in and then going like Because they can really fuel if you're if you're sucking down a lot of weight for someone to lose 10 or 15, even 20 pounds Even.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know, if you want to get crazy, have to weigh in and then have to compete after.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna be their best self, they're not going to be Performing the level they should be.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: However, it may suffice then some of their Other differences like they may be strong, they may be really really, really tough in like technique and they might outweigh.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: You know their sluggish feeling because they know a lot of techniques and wrestling.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You can't do that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You know if someone knows technique and is cut in 20 pounds, if I get him to the third period, he's pressed and I know it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: He's not showing it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's doing a better job at it, but he's pressed for time and even like just you know compulsion in general.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So jujitsu, I think matches go further and and Wrestling, in my opinion, just because you know you go out of bounds and it takes a little bit longer and.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: You know you got over times and jujitsu is like You're up.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You know some, some go to overtime some.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Organizations handle things, but it's sometimes, you know, six, eight, ten minutes long and, like wrestling, is like two, two, two or two, three minutes.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: One, three minutes, you two, two, you know, yeah, yeah if you're training to have a 20 minute match, it's a lot different than exploding at, you know, the two-minute mark or the one-minute mark when you're you're on the line for wrestling.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: So it just being you know, you know, complex with all of it, like I think all of it is complex, like yeah, it's two different sports.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because it is.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It's two different sports but the complexities become.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: The complexities come into it when you think about the differences between the sports and the fact that you could lose 10 pounds and wrestling in a week and to get down to the next.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: To get that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: You know to hit weight, but you don't really want to do that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Jujitsu, you want to be a nice, steady weight loss over, I don't know, a couple months, like you know like.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Because Now you can continue to compete at that same weight, right when in wrestling you might cut weight that week and you probably hopefully have energy to get through that match right barely.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: But you're not gonna be able to sustain that and jujitsu doing that, so it's like you.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: The complexities of how you go about strategically Managing not just the sport but even your blood sugars is totally different.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and knowing you know your weight going into something is great too, because then you feel great, you know whether it's going into.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: You know Family pictures, or you know you're seeing a reunion, or just like you know being around your kids, like, do you want energy around your kids or do you want to be?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You know your energy sucked out when you're around your kids.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge family guy.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: You know I have a big family.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: For those that you do know, if not, I'm one of nine.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I have eight siblings from the same parents and like, energy is huge.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: As far as sugar, and like some of my family members struggle with lows, like they're hypoglycemic, and like seeing the education being brought to me and Shown in front of them has been fun for them and it's been fun for me.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: So, just like energy all around has just been a total like enjoyment for me lately, man, because, like I used to Suck a lot of weight down, as far as like losing it and this is painful, man, I'm now, I'm super comfortable around this weight If I, if I do cheat, it's, it's well aware away from a tournament and I'm just ready to go.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm excited for what's coming and I can't wait to get some gyms open and start teaching some kids?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Mmm, yeah, what's?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: When's your next match?
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually have a big one coming up, so I'm doing no-gey worlds, which is funny that we're on the subject, you know, of wrestling, because it's the closest to wrestling you know and you know.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So you have the top and bottom where you don't have it on and, knowing that, what you've gained from wrestling and transitioning to Jiu-Jitsu as far as no-gey is fun, you know, but you're doing a lot of wrestling and I like to anymore.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: But I'm excited because you get to push new limits and I have worlds coming up.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: December 7th in Vegas man.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Nice gonna be sick, but right now I'm just teaching and Training and getting ready for that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: So I I stuck around a little bit longer in Columbus than I thought but, I had some fun with some friends and watch the buck guys secure a dub or a fat LI.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Called it and yeah, man, so I overstayed my.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: My welcome in Ohio.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go back and fight after that tournament, for sure.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome in as we wrap up, like what, if there are what are like three things that you can kind of tell, say to the listeners?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So, as we wrap up, what is what are like three things that you can say to the listeners that could help them if they're a young athlete or someone that wants to get into Jiu-Jitsu or struggling with their blood sugars either maybe they're an endurance athlete or any type of athlete, whatever it might be.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: What it's, one or three things you can tell that individual to, it could provide some value for them.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: If I could bring any value to a new athlete that is trying to endeavor Jiu-Jitsu Practitioning.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I advise you, start now and don't wait.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I think people stand off Because of their age or even if you know they're too young, I advise children, if they know they're left and rights, come into my class, try it out.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: If you don't like it, we'll revisit that conversation.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to sell you on anything, but if I could help you on something else, it would be watch what you consume.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's very, very fun to eat good foods, but it's very, very fun to feel good when you eat good foods.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So instead of just Slacking off and saying, oh, I might do it this time or might do it that, just start it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Just start it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And Lastly, I would advise you guys.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I would advise you guys to stop consuming so much of the media unless it's good, good information.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I hate, I hate to see some you know young people even my, my nieces and nephews just flooded with negative Crud on on the internet.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: So if you're on the internet, I advise you to study Jiu-Jitsu.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Learn the basics first, don't, don't don't dive in to the crazy stuff and listen to some of these crazy people.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, just feel good so you can look good.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Cheers.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So there you have it feel good so you can look good.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Spoken like a true true, a true male.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: It is what you know, they say look good, feel good in wrestling.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: So if you look good, you feel good, and if you feel good, you look good.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So I love it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, thanks for having me.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this has been a pleasure to get you back on just to catch up and and talk about some other stuff that's been going on.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: It's been, god, it's probably been a year at least.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: 129, man, 129 was the last episode that you were on.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, these episodes are gonna keep on coming, so Excited.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm in your ear.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, next time you're in town, give me a shout out and we'll get on another episode and just catch up and keep, keep talking about diabetes.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It's all we can do, man.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to you know what you got in the projects of, as far as you know, your books and coaching courses.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And man, just wish the best for you and thanks for having me.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Man, yeah, man for sure, man for sure, absolutely.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Cheers everyone.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: If you are an inspiring Jiu Jitsu competitor, wrestler, endurance person, reach out to him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'll put his social media handle in the show notes.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Reach out to him, ask him some questions.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Man, it's, he's.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: He's got a wealth of knowledge of being a coach.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: He's got a wealth of knowledge of Competing at just the highest level in wrestling.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So Just really reach out to him if you have questions.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: And Thank you so much for listening everybody.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: We will see you next time.