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Patriots Unfiltered 8/20: Direct from Patriots Second Joint Practice with the Eagles · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The Worlds of Pigeon podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Live from joint practices with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Jillette Stadium, Day two of joint practice with
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  Speaker 1: Toyota, Let's go eat some lobster. Ah.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you're wondering what's going on here. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get to that in a minute. It's Jack Webb joining us,
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  Speaker 2: the new host of our Patriots pre and postgame show.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us for joint practice, Paul Parola, myself, Mike Dusseau,
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  Speaker 2: Evan Lazar. We'll be here for most of the joint
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  Speaker 2: practice today that we're allowed.
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  Speaker 5: To be well, we'll be here for the whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: Won't be broadcasting for about that. Yeah, so it was
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  Speaker 5: a good day yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into the football, we got to
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  Speaker 2: talk seafood because the Patriots are excited to welcome in
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  Speaker 2: Legal Seafood this year as their official seafood restaurant and
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  Speaker 2: the official clam showder of the New England Patriots. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, when we have sponsors, it makes it really easy.
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  Speaker 1: To promote them when you love what they do.
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  Speaker 2: And I've been loving Legal Seafood my whole life. And
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  Speaker 2: they have locations throughout New England, Virginia, New Jersey, Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're looking for seafood, Legal Seafood is the
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  Speaker 2: place to go. If you're traveling to New England, you
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  Speaker 2: got to stop at Legal Seafood. But the Patriots are excited.
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  Speaker 2: You have two iconic brands, New England brands. You got
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  Speaker 2: the New England Patriots and Legal Seafood joining up.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was Fred Kersh and Legal. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So so if you're at the Games this year, you'll
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  Speaker 2: be able to get Legal Seafood in select places on the.
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  Speaker 1: Concrete's that's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: I was just telling our chef here as he was
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  Speaker 5: preparing this for us that you know, tradition for me
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  Speaker 5: when I live in California, I'll come back to a
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  Speaker 5: game and then I would stop illegal seafood at the
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  Speaker 5: brain Tree split. That was kind of my Cyonara to Boston. So,
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  Speaker 5: like you said, Fred, sometimes things just work well and
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  Speaker 5: this is the perfect, perfect partnership.
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  Speaker 1: And I got a claw.
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  Speaker 6: It's a little Michael Jackson tribute combs up.
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  Speaker 1: So but you said, Fred too, the chowder, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the chowder is is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I've been saying it for years because for
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  Speaker 2: a long time the Patriots press box has been serving
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  Speaker 2: clam chowder to the press during games.
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  Speaker 1: He said, oh, it's legal seafood. Clam shout. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not legal seafood.
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  Speaker 6: And you too, I have to vouch your friend. He
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  Speaker 6: has done this for years.
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  Speaker 2: This year, if you're in the press box, members of
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  Speaker 2: the media, that is legal seafood, and you'll taste the difference.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you can see too that you got the crackers
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  Speaker 5: with right burning right on it. That's what I saw, Fred,
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  Speaker 5: when you were saying, You're like, they had the real stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and they had the crackers so delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Love it, so can we. So this was twice as
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  Speaker 2: long before Jack Web got to that's why we brought
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  Speaker 2: Jackiet today.
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  Speaker 5: We're like, we need some reinforcements on the giant lobster
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  Speaker 5: role we're about to consume.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's why Fred said, hey, I think Thursday's
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  Speaker 4: a good day for you to come down, right. They
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  Speaker 4: had to call on the big boy for me, and
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  Speaker 4: I promise I will be the clean up crew.
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  Speaker 2: And if we need to, if we have any leftovers,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just have Zoe come down and he'll polish every Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I'm surprised he's not here already because we can see
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  Speaker 5: right through up there.
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  Speaker 1: Him and Beatle gonna come, yeah, come down here, try
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  Speaker 1: to get all this. They don't strut till ten, so
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  Speaker 1: he gets here at ten oh.
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  Speaker 5: Five, right right, pregame meals ready for you guys, when
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  Speaker 5: you're ready.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So thank you Legal Seafood Again. The Patriots are
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  Speaker 2: really excited to partner up the official seafood restaurant of
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  Speaker 2: the New England Patriots and the official clam chowder if
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  Speaker 2: they're making no mistake, the official clam chowder of the
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  Speaker 2: New England Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome aboard, Legal, We'll come aboard. Permission to dive
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  Speaker 1: in front.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, we should stagger it so we could do a
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  Speaker 5: little analysis while one of us stuff our face.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get one bye.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody knows the rules, all right, so let's get let's
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  Speaker 2: get down to football. Because yesterday was day one of
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  Speaker 2: the joint practices with the Eagles, and personally, I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was a continuation offensively of what we saw on
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  Speaker 2: Monday for Drake May and the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Defensively, I think the Eagles might have had a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of an edge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's okay, you know, that's what that's what
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  Speaker 2: you're here for.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think you know, we all stood
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  Speaker 5: up here and watched the rest of practice, and we
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  Speaker 5: came away with that, you know, takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: Good day for the offense for sure.
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  Speaker 5: You know, culminated in the last two minute drill where
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  Speaker 5: both sides of the ball, you know, performed pretty well.
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  Speaker 5: But when you look at the defense that you know,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know a lot of the other outlets I
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  Speaker 5: think had one guy focused on an offense, one guy
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  Speaker 5: focused on a defense. Once you heard from the people
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  Speaker 5: watching the defense, I think we all came back with
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  Speaker 5: a similar take that the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Had a good day on the run yesterday. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of space.
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  Speaker 5: I thought they made some big plays down the field too,
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  Speaker 5: a couple of screens that you know, found a seam
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  Speaker 5: and it looked like, you know, nobody's getting a hand
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  Speaker 5: on that running back.
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  Speaker 1: So I think they need to be a little better today.
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  Speaker 5: On the defensive side of the ball with those two
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  Speaker 5: things stopping the run as well as you know, preventing
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  Speaker 5: some of.
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  Speaker 1: Those big plays that were clearly wide open.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, the other part of it too, for me,
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  Speaker 5: is just I think the Eagles are gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Come with something to prove.
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  Speaker 5: Yesterday there were a lot of narratives yesterday that the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots quote unquote one practice and you know, depending on
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  Speaker 5: who you read, that could have been they dominated it
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  Speaker 5: to they had the slight edge or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's not just about fixing what they
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  Speaker 5: didn't do well yesterday. It's about bringing the same energy,
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  Speaker 5: especially against that pass rush again, because I think the
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  Speaker 5: Eagles are coming down here today with something, a little
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  Speaker 5: bit something to prove.
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  Speaker 6: I like the last part of what you said the most, Mike.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's about what Mike Rabele talked about before
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  Speaker 6: the practice and then proving that you can do it.
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  Speaker 6: Day in and day out. How do you respond when
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  Speaker 6: something goes bad? You know, how do you how do
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  Speaker 6: you react to that kind of stuff? So I would
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  Speaker 6: say the Patriots were the better team in the practice yesterday. Overall,
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  Speaker 6: you can put everything you know, accumulate everything that happened.
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  Speaker 6: I would say the Patriots offense was better than the
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  Speaker 6: Eagles offense. I thought the Eagles offense was better than
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots defense, but I thought there was a wider
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  Speaker 6: gap between the Patriots offense in the Eagles defense, I
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  Speaker 6: would agree, and I was very impressed, specifically with the
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  Speaker 6: pass protection. I thought that's where it all began for
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots. I thought that allowed Drake Made to get
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  Speaker 6: comfortable sort of surveying the field, looking downfield and finding
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  Speaker 6: some big place to Aj Brown and Romeo Dobs. I
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  Speaker 6: thought that was everything you wanted to see. But I
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  Speaker 6: agree with Mike, I want to see better run fits
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  Speaker 6: up front. I want to see the edges, you know,
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  Speaker 6: sewn up a little bit. This is now a couple
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  Speaker 6: of weeks of training camp where the other team has
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  Speaker 6: been able to run the ball with some effectiveness. And
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  Speaker 6: I also don't think the Patriots ran the ball all
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  Speaker 6: that well. Offensively yesterday, So in a little clunky in
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  Speaker 6: the two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, aj Brown got headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, people had all eyes on him former Eagle and
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  Speaker 2: and you know, even I think somebody from the Eagle
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  Speaker 2: City looks better now than he did when he.
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  Speaker 1: Was with US. Mitchell, thanks for reading my blogs.
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  Speaker 2: And the second thing is I agree with Paul the
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  Speaker 2: thought that I had watching our defenses, where is the
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  Speaker 2: pressure going to come from this year? Because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really see that person and I heard on one of
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  Speaker 2: Paul's shows yesterday them talking about you know, is are
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots a stacked team in terms of talent? I
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  Speaker 2: don't think so on defense yet, And I think they're
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  Speaker 2: that piece away. They're that elite rusher away from being
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  Speaker 2: considered stacked on defense. You know, they've got Christian Gonzales,
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  Speaker 2: they've got Milton Williams and Christian Barmore in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: but they're an elite rusher away from being called stacked.
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  Speaker 2: And you do have to wonder where is the pressure
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  Speaker 2: going to come from? You lost Chase on I think.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna come from blitzing. And that's how we saw
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  Speaker 3: the schemes. Yeah, that was when we saw at the
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  Speaker 3: end of practice, and that was my takeaways. I thought
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  Speaker 3: the offensive lines on both sides kind of controlled the
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  Speaker 3: practice for the most part yesterday, and I was really
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  Speaker 3: encouraged that the Patriots offensive line was able to block
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  Speaker 3: up the Eagles defensive front, and especially on the inside
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  Speaker 3: with Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. I didn't really think
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  Speaker 3: that those two guys impacted the practice all that much.
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  Speaker 3: So that is a real big step in the right direction,
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  Speaker 3: especially what we saw two years ago when that matchup
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  Speaker 3: played out on the other side, though I agree with Deuce.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they ran the ball effectively in the run periods,
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  Speaker 3: and unless the Patriots dialed something up to get home
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  Speaker 3: on a blitz, I didn't think that there was a
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  Speaker 3: ton of pressure on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So Jack, have you done eating? No, not yet. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just taking my time between bites.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you weren't here yesterday, but what are
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  Speaker 2: you gonna be watching for today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching the offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's what made me so encouraged
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  Speaker 4: about listening to you guys on the camp cast yesterday
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  Speaker 4: and hearing how the offensive line held up, Because we
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  Speaker 4: just talked about the lack of pass rush for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: So when you hear the reports you know, across camp,
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  Speaker 4: especially at the beginning, right when they put the pads on,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just you know, best on best within the organization. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you take those with a grain of salt, right, because
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  Speaker 4: you recognize that's a weakness of this team, is the
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  Speaker 4: pass rush. And you hear they perform against a team
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  Speaker 4: like the Eagles, in a front like the Eagles yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: and that's certainly encouraging.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised that you'll be
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  Speaker 1: watching the offensive line. That's an area that I think
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  Speaker 1: had a good day yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's to me what these practices have
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  Speaker 3: all been about. Because of how good the Eagles are
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  Speaker 3: in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about probably the best tackle tandem in the
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  Speaker 3: league on both sides of the ball, you know, Jordan Mylota,
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  Speaker 3: Lane Johnson, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis. Like, it doesn't really
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  Speaker 3: get much better than that. And the Patriots' ability to
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  Speaker 3: at least have a stalemate on the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 3: I thought was important these two days and I think
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  Speaker 3: that they did that for the most part yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: We'll see if that continues.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Will Campbell had a couple of problems with
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  Speaker 3: jaylex on their pass rusher on the edge. That was
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  Speaker 3: the first time that I think I've said that all
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  Speaker 3: camp that Will Campbell had some struggles. So I'd like
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  Speaker 3: to see a better version of him today as well.
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  Speaker 3: But overall, I think that as much as you want
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  Speaker 3: to get into aj Brown and Saquon Barkley and all
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  Speaker 3: the skill players, it's really the meata of this practice
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  Speaker 3: is the trenches and those guys.
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  Speaker 7: I think the Patriots did a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Robert Splaine there, you just saw Matt Collins and Tommy
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  Speaker 2: DeVito walking onto the field. You can never miss Matt
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  Speaker 2: Collins because he's got the red tattered shirt underneath.
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  Speaker 1: Fred.
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  Speaker 4: To give you another angle here, I'm really interested to
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  Speaker 4: see this Patriots secondary with no Gonzales. You saw a
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  Speaker 4: ton of reports about turnovers yesterday. Sorry excuse me, lobster
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  Speaker 4: in the throat a couple turnovers yesterday, right for that
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  Speaker 4: Patriots defense, I'm eager to see what you guys see
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  Speaker 4: from that defense. And were those turnovers and seven on seven,
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  Speaker 4: were they eleven on eleven, I.
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  Speaker 3: Just saw mostly seven on seven or the backup cornerbacks,
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  Speaker 3: and that was like maybe a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: pushback that I had about some of that is like
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  Speaker 3: I don't really care if Jalen Hurst throws picks and
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  Speaker 3: seven on seven, like do that on your own time.
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  Speaker 3: But the the eleven out eleven's, you know, interception one
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  Speaker 3: was kendallvilldor on, the their second uh Andy Dalton, and
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  Speaker 3: then the other one was John Saunders on I think
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  Speaker 3: their four string quarterback. Yeah yeah, so I so Joe
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  Speaker 3: Alerts picks were all in seven's. But I I just
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  Speaker 3: I feel like with this, you know, with the Eagles,
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  Speaker 3: I I keep just coming back to their offense installing
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  Speaker 3: this new offense, and the blitzing that the Patriots did
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  Speaker 3: did was effective at the end of practice. But if
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  Speaker 3: you're going to play that style of defense, you need
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  Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales like that. That is something that you absolutely
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  Speaker 3: need is guys on the outside that can shut down
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  Speaker 3: receivers in single coverage without a lot of help and
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  Speaker 3: from the middle of the field because those guys are
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  Speaker 3: going to be in the pass rush and and if
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  Speaker 3: that's how you're gonna play like they did down the
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  Speaker 3: stretch last season and in the playoffs. Then you need
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  Speaker 3: to be able to cover. And if Christian Goanzalez isn't
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  Speaker 3: a part of that, or him at the pa of
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  Speaker 3: his powers isn't a part of that, then that's a
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  Speaker 3: tough way to play defensively, to be like a forty
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  Speaker 3: percent blitz rate kind of team without a shutdown corner.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Christian Gonzales. No new news there.
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  Speaker 2: We have no more information than we did yesterday in
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  Speaker 2: terms of that situation. Mike Rabel did not speak today.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't a scheduled to speak. Nick Siriani did, so
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  Speaker 2: nothing new on the Christian Gonzales front.
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  Speaker 1: No, just waiting to see.
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  Speaker 5: But I think, you know, again echoing what Evan said,
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  Speaker 5: I think they really need Christian Gonzalez out there.
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  Speaker 1: You can see I mean to your point.
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  Speaker 5: Fred, I mean love Christian Barmore and Milt Williams up front,
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  Speaker 5: but you know the rest of the guys around them
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  Speaker 5: in the front seven are you know, solid NFL players,
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think there's really any superstars around them,
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  Speaker 5: and the superstars to me are more on the back
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  Speaker 5: end with Gonzalez and you know, Byern and Craig Woodson emerging.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he looked great yesterday. But they're gonna need
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  Speaker 5: to find a way to get consistent pressure without always
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  Speaker 5: having a blitz, like as said, because if you live.
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  Speaker 1: In that world, you're gonna get gas.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna find they're gonna find a seam in that
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  Speaker 5: you know, they're gonna dump it off to a little
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  Speaker 5: screen pass and that guy's gone. So I just think
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  Speaker 5: that's if you really want this defense to be elite,
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  Speaker 5: it's about getting pressure with four and.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about getting He doesn't come out to practice a lot,
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  Speaker 1: does he know?
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  Speaker 6: That's why I said, it's a rare sight. Ye see
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  Speaker 6: him out here. I put him on the edge right now.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you could do a snap or two. I think to.
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  Speaker 3: Just be a little bit positive about the defense. When
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  Speaker 3: they did blitz, they hit was really good defense. Three
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  Speaker 3: straight dropbacks pressure with blitzers up the middle mostly. And
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  Speaker 3: so the encouraging part is is that the schemes were
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  Speaker 3: working when they did blitz. They were getting free runners
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  Speaker 3: and they were getting guys to the quarterback. It's just
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  Speaker 3: you know, it give us and it takes the way
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  Speaker 3: you know early on in practice to hit will Shipley
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  Speaker 3: on a wheel route down down the sideline because they
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  Speaker 3: dropped Elijah Ponder out to the rush and they blitzed
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  Speaker 3: Robert Splaine, and Robert Splaine got there, but Shipley had
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  Speaker 3: the matchup on Ponder and Hurts found him for a
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  Speaker 3: big play. So if you're gonna blitz like that, it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be risk reward. You know you're gonna give up
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  Speaker 3: some plays and you're gonna make some plays.
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  Speaker 2: So with with Gonzales out of the picture right now,
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  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis is now your number one corner.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think he had that great a day. They
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  Speaker 1: went at him a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw Number seven involved in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: pass plays.
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  Speaker 5: For these Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I
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  Speaker 5: just I find it hard to get worked up about
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  Speaker 5: worrying about Carlton Davis, a veteran who you know, played
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  Speaker 5: his best football last year in the playoffs, and that's
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  Speaker 5: what I think.
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  Speaker 1: You'll get from Carlton Davis. I'm glad that he's healthy,
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  Speaker 1: that he's out there.
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  Speaker 5: But I think I agree with you, though, Fred, I
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  Speaker 5: think they they did target him a little bit. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, to Jack's point, seeing guys like you know
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  Speaker 5: in the backup seeing how those guys CHUCKI Trees, Charles Woods,
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: how is you know, he look it seems like he's
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: gonna play a part, you know in some of these
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: sub packages. Del Pettis seems like he's gonna play a
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: part in some of these sub packages. So keeping an
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: eye on those guys and seeing how they, you know,
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: just develop as they get more snaps.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of guys get opportunities out here.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Woodson, Yeah, he's had a good camp and
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: he had a good day yesterday. I think Patriots fans
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: ought to be excited about him. Oh here's another guy
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: that they drafted. Yeah, that could develop into you know,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: one of your solid safeties for years to come. I
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: mean maybe more than solid too. I just I think
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: he's all over the place. I think he's been going
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: after the quarterback. We saw that yesterday. He's getting his
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: hands on balls consistently.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: Was so interested to see how he would blossom with
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: Kevin Bayer and I think we're still curious how they're
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: going to use those guys. Are they going to be
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: interchangeable or is no buyer going to be kind of
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: be on the back end and Woodson's going to be
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: in the box, moving around making plays.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited about Craig Woodson here.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: Two, I'm still a little unsure, you know how that
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: whole group. I think that whole group potentially is the
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: strength of the team secondary. Yeah, but I'm a little
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: concerned about it if Gonzale is you know, any prolonged
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: absence here and I I'm not to the point where
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: I'm overly worried about the contract now. I think if
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: we get to the end of preseason, if we're talking,
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: you know, this time next week, you know, as we're
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: getting ready for the Cleveland game, and there's still nothing
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: going on. Now, you're potentially bleeding into the season without
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: the contract being resolved, without him, I kind of I
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: think there's been a lot of open guys. I think
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: there were a lot of open guys yesterday and those
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: eleven on eleven periods that we watched right below us
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: evidently that no one else in the media saw. So
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: I thought, well, just you you know, Marcus Jones my
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: views crush.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I have a crush on Marcus Jones Jack, but.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he had a nice place like Woodson, I
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: think had a couple of picks. I just I'm not
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: as concerned about the turnovers the takeaways. Now, if you
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: take the ball away all year, then you had a
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: great year.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: That's one of those things.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: I feel like takeaways are just not one of those
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: things that you can rely on. It's not a constant.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: So so what happens when you don't create takeaways? You
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: have to come up with stops. I have my concerns
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: about that if Gonzalez is not part of the pitcher.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: I think I've seen some open guys. I think bayered
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: In Woodson have let some guys get open behind them,
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: you know, periodically whoever's playing center field.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: There was one yesterday like sort.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: Of a deep over route that it was either Dentavian
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: Wicks or Elijah Moore.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was Elijah Moore. I think I think,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Evan and I had like three different guys
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: that we.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: Have identified as the numbers on the terribly doesn't matter
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: because he was behind the Patriots defense and that I
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: don't want to see anyone.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the concerning part about when Evan says they're
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: gonna have to rely on the Blitz is the secondary
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: is one of no doubt, one of the strengths of
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: your team and probably a strength of the defense, right,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: But how much stress can you put on that unit
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: if you're gonna be blitzing the whole time and relying
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: on those guys to either cover a lot of space
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: in blit zone coverage or stay with their guy and
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: man blitz, you know what I mean. And I think
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: that is that is what concerns me the most as
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: a season goes on. You can get away with it
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: in spurts and it can be a great you know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: ideally a blitz is a great curve ball, right for
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: a defense and a great weapon to use strategically, but
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: if you're relying on it to get home that that
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: concerns me long term.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, back to the turnover situation, I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: agree with you, Paul, like causing turnovers, you don't can't
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: always count.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: On it some defenses.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: That having giveaways though, it is something you can control.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: That's something that I think the Patriots have to look
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: at this year because they put the ball on the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: ground a lot last year. It wasn't just Ramond je
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Stevenson the quarterback then too.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they were fortunate they didn't lose more fumbles.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Rightast year, Right, so I think they had maybe a
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: record in the playoffs for fumbles or something like that,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: so that when it comes to the turnover battle, what
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you can control is what you do throwing picks and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: losing the ball, and that's more important, I think than
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: getting them.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt the depth that corner. I'm not
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: so concerned maybe as Paul about the safeties. I think
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the safeties are pretty good, but the depth that corner
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: behind those top three has been something I think that's
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: on all of our radars all summer long.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But isn't that the case with every team?
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just about to say, like, we're talking
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: about the fourth corner not being good enough at this point,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: but that's where we're at. It's not that they don't
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: have frontline players that aren't good enough. It's that you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: their depth in certain areas aren't good enough, which is
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: a first world it's a first world problem to have,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt. But those guys do have some injury histories.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones plays a physically demanding position in the nickel
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: in the slot, so like those guys have missed some games,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: you know, and I.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Just feel like it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: It looks different, and I think you put too much
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: pressure on that guy, Greg, May you know, I think
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: it looks different without Gonzales, and I think the trickle
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: down effect is noticeable. I think we saw it a
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: little bit early, but they're gonna have Gonzales, Like okay,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: if that. If that's the case, then I think that's
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: where's he go secondaries of strength.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I worried he's not going to be all in, Okay.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I worry like maybe, like, let me ask you this,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: and well, I'm going to stake this up front because
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: we all don't know.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer is we don't know the truth.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: We don't know exactly what is your gut telling you
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: about his health status right now?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I think that if he had to play, he could play.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: But I think when you get a little tweak like
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: that and you're in the contract situation you're at, you
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: think twice.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And you might be right. I think he's one hundred
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: percent Okay.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I think I think like ten days ago, he turned
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: his ankle and used that as an opportunity to hold in.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: That's what I feel, Okay, So what's to prevent that
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: from happening?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: When the season comes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I suppose, I mean, and I guess you know, he's
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: put enough product on tape that he's going to get
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: paid regardless, But that would be the one thing, right.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: It is like if they're making you sing for your supper,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: so to speak. The only thing that you can do
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: out is go out and ball out. And whether it's
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots or it's for one of the other
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: thirty one teams that's going to pay you, you know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: putting more good tape out there, a pro caliber team
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: that's making your case, hopefully that's what ends up having.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a rules question, because I don't
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: know the answer to this. If you're a player who
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: has an injury and the team decides to put you
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: on IR, do you get credit for that season?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes you do. Yes, Okay, you know.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: He's not going to go on IR for the whole season,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: but yes you do. If you get placed on IR.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: That's in a crude season.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's in a crude season. What's disappointing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: But these conversations to me is that he's a guy
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: where you praised him right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: At the beginning of camp. He's out there in pads.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, when is this holding potentially going to start?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: They start hitting, They're still.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Doing eleven on eleven when the full pads come on,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: He's still out there, and all of a sudden, you
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: find yourself.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: In this situation.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot has changed in Patriots fans
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: minds over the past week.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams was impressive yesterday too.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: You know, he's out there with his fellow defensive tackles there,
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: Lennon Taylor and Joshua Farmer. But Milton Williams showed up
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: to me yesterday. I mean he always does, but you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I thought he was noticeable.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on a couple of those run plays that we've
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: been talking about. I thought ninety seven was in the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: backfield and in a game he might have been able
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: to make the play. You know, in a practice you
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily see that as much.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a role reversal, Mike.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: There was actually one play where that happened exactly the
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: way Evan just described. And I said, I actually think
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Milton Williams would have made the tackle, and Evan was like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: he was there, but I don't know for sure if
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: he would have made the tackle. Well, it was Saquon
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Barkley with the bat, so you never.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Know what that guy if he jumped over him backwards.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Barkley was just tremendous yesterday, like the
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: patients to run the ball between the tackles and feed
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: off the blocks and you know, feel his way through
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and then hit the gas once he was in the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: open field.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I've got to be honest with all the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: talk about, you know, the trenches for the Eagles, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: completely forgot.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, Saquon Barkley's on that team too. I know that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: happened to Joy practice.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: If you want, and also I'm not this is not
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: a shot at.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: You, because I know you did watch.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: But if people were watching the practice, you would have
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: seen sa Quon Barkley hit his head on the goalpost.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: Of all three times, right, he probably had like one
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: hundred and twenty rushing yards in like ten carries in
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: that scrimm, you know, scrimmage.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the patients.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Chesney coming on with the with the head coach. Yeah, okay,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get him back. Earlier, we saw Drake May
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and by the way, wrapping Drake May. You know, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: know these guys make fun of me because they don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: think I.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Like Drake May him. I'm the only one wearing a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Drake May T shirt. Okay.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: I didn't say, all right, you don't support him, said
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: down on him.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I mean that's understanding. Okay, there you go.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And by the way, by the way, I need to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: clarify Patriot's nation on his nickname, Drake Drake May May.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: His nickname is not Drake Drake May May. His nickname
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: is Drake May. You don't say the whole thing. So
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it's not the Mario Pop Douglas. His nickname is pop.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So Drake May's nickname is Drake May. Right, I see
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: what she I see what she's saying. So what do
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: we call him?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Drake May?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so so good. He doesn't need a nickname. So
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: his nickname becomes Drake May.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: If you're writing it like on a T shirt like
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: you Yeah, yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Of course, so like Ja Mario Pop Douglas, Drake Drake
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: May May. But when you're referring to him by his nickname,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you just say Drake May.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You can say Drake too if you want, Just
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Drake Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: I mean he he just some of the.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Some of the throws he made yesterday we're just yeasty.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I mean he was on the crossing route early on
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: in practice. I think we posted it on on social
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that Greek Wollen was right on A. J. Brown's hip
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and he just put it exactly where it needed to be.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: The ball down the sideline the Brown over his outside
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: shoulder was just an unbelievable throw.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Uh he was.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, quarterback's good. Course, Like I I feel like
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I just don't need to really talk talk about the
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: quarterback and a ton. The quarterback's good. The Patriots are
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: in good hands. It's it's cool to be in one
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: of these practices. And like Jalen Hurts is a name
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: brand quarterback, and the Patriots have the better quarterback at
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: the and it's not particularly close.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that close yesterday. You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I thought May was markedly better.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I think what was apparent to me too, is that
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: you just see the element of Drake May.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's a gamer.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I think he gets up for like competition against another
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: team we've seen, you know, not to say that he's
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: bored or anything like that during regular practice, but when
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: it gets competitive, I think that's when you.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Really start to see his best stuff.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: What has to make you feel so good as a
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Patriot fan. Is just a couple of years ago, you're like, Okay,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: where are we going at this Petica? Where we were
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: at Jack.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And then you blink and you're just right.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: It really stood out to me yesterday when you guys
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: were talking about how within the organization they.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Just expect him to be the standard.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I mean they were talking about how you know, he
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: is basically a part of the organization in terms of
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: the standards that they need day in and day out.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: He's an example for other guys to follow. And that's
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: what's so refreshing. And honestly, we took it for granted
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: with Tom Brady, right, it was happening for so long,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: and then you get.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: A dose or reality, you know what, particular without a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: doubt what you know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: The probably two thirds these NFL teams are dealing with
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: year and in, year out, and then you're right back to
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: having a guy who every day is delivering and it
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: is just not a question.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Look, who found the lobster?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Graul Sales always knows when they're free from there's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a company wide email, there's a lobster for everybody.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Come on down, they have a.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: Different Uh, they have a different budget on the road.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And absolutely, well they're they're entertaining guests. Yeah they call it, Yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: exactly so uh, Hunter Henry And in his quarterback Drake May.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Saw Josh McDaniels walking up the hill second ago, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I just I keep coming back to how fortunate Drake
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: May is to have Josh McDaniels as his offensive coordinator.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: For the second year in a row.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's just it's such a great pairing
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and I hope that that's there together for a very,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: very long time because I think Drake May is going
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: to be a perennial m VP candidate.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: He's calling plays for him.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bar more being eased into the eleven and eleven's
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: coming in situationally, and.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had had a pressure in that two minute
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: drill we talked about yesterday. Did some third down situational
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: type of works and one on ones looks good, looks.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Strong, looks ready to go.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I think that one is like a load management thing
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: that they don't really need Christian Barmore to be taking
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: too many reps this time of year, so it's like
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Less load management overall. I would say this year maybe
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: is that Uh would you agree with that?
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, Morgan Moses, I feel like we've seen
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: more of him this summer than we might have seen
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: last summer. I feel like you see more Christian Barmore.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that was still Barmore.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: I think we've seen less of I think Barbore's missed,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: He's missed entire practices.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: But Moses is a good I think you're probably right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: I think guys would come out late, you know, be like, oh,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: that's sometimes he's left early too.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: He has, and he's he's come out late, but not
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: I don't think is often. I think Mike is right
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: about that, and he's also at times Lomo will go in, yeah, finish,
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: like the second set of eleven on eleven's, and then
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: maybe Marcus Bryant will go in and finish.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I wonder how much of him being more present at
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: practice has to do with Caleb Blowmo and trying to
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: mentor Caleb Blomo a little bit, because I think a
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: lot of the times Morgan Moses is just kind of
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: standing there as Caleb Blowman is taking reps. And I
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: think that those two there there's a mentorship that is
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: trying to happen there between those guys.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I know camp is competition. You know, as a head coach,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you want competition in your camp. Do you think a
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: guy like Morgan Moses feels any competition or is it like, ah, no,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I think he's at a stage of his career where
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: he's looking to pass the torch.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Eventually, he knows he's on the back half, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: And I don't think he feels threatened by a first
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: round project tackle. I think he very much knows the
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: type of player he is, especially with the games he
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: gave him last year, you know, at that age and
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: his injury history to be able to play that many games,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I think he's very comfortable in that role. And I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: think you see it with the way he mentors the guys.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: You're always seeing reports and video coming out of him
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: after practice, working with a young tackle, working with a
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: defensive end. I think the way he's been so generous
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: with Will Campbell and Lomu the past couple of years,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: at least from what I've seen from Afar, makes me
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: think that he's very much secure.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And I find that interesting because so often we hear,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: oh Tom Brady's gonna mentor you know, uh, that's not
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: always the case. A lot of veterans like, hey, I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: got work to do myself. I don't have time to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: be helping other people.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It does help that he plays tackle at a high level,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and that's not a position of depth across the league.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: So if it's not here that he's starting at right tackle,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: going to be somewhere.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I think he's pretty close.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think there were some reports in the
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: off season that he really contemplated retirement. I would be
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: surprised if this wasn't his last year, So I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: he can look at it that way too. And I
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: think it's one thing to say, like, and I'm not
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: please Evan, do not jump.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Buggly on me when I say this.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: But I'm not suggesting that there there aren't nuances in
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: techniques in a lot that goes into playing tackle.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Of course there are.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: But to compare a mentoring situation for a veteran offensive.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Lineman to a quarterback is not really close.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Like I can understand any quarterback that says I have
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: all I could do on my own to know what
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: I'm doing and get the game plans right and understand
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: my checks and everything. I mean with the offensive line,
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: there's a lot that goes into it. I'm not diminishing yet,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: but I don't.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Think it's anywhere near the scope of what a quarterback
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: would need to do.
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: I'll allow that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what do you think I think?
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: I think I soft pedaled it enough to not have
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: every day.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You big guys, you just sit there and you block people.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Like if you're using a two hand punch, independent hands,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: vertical said jump set you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I could do that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: You know, it doesn't matter. You know, they just blocked
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: the guy.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad we had common ground. It just
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Just make sure that guy doesn't hit the quarterback.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: You know, we can vertical set all the time and
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell can go back into the quarterback slap every
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: single play, or we can learn how to.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: And everybody can tell me what a great rookie year
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: he had. So it doesn't matter. You just prove my point.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I love Paul's ability to push the buttons.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: But I will say about Morgan Moses's tackle in the
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: league feels like one of those positions where age catches
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: up to the quickest. I mean you can mask it
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: at some positions inside a guard. You got to help
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: at center, you got help a ton of positions around
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: You're not as much on an island. A good slush
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: can enjoy off.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Oh you don't eat dells with a straw. Oh my god,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: he must not be from New England.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: What do you need a little spoon?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: You know, you don't even use a spoon. You squeeze
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the cup and just and force it out, right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: They have the sticky juice, just rip. I know, at
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: least get the little little straws.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, you gotta straw at the end, don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: You don't eat I don't know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Then you get the nice juice at the bottom. It's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: all cold.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that finishing, finishing that off. But I think
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: you think about being a tackle in the NFL. Imagine
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: having a deal. You're getting up there in age, right,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: You're feeling every little injury, every bumping, the bruise.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: You think about.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Imagine you're just put yourself in the picture of someone,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: maybe you know on the Seattle Seahawks. Maybe you're getting
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: old and you got to go deal with Miles Garrett
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and you got to deal with Nick Bosa twice a year.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: It's a position where you know, age catches up to
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: you quickly when you're out there on an island against
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: some of the freakest of athletes the world has offered.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't seen like a camp retirement in a while.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I remember, like, yeah, we had a run of those.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Bruski he kind of what it wasn't he won Nikovich
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: kind of one.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a lot of line again.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dante Scarneki used to put those guys out the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: pasture on a daily basis, Like they come to one
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: practice with Dante and they'd be like, yeah, all right, I'm.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: Not long for this, I'm out absolutely all right.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: What else are we looking for today? Right now? We
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: can't have our cameras on the field. I mean, to me,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the world where it is consistency.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Paul said it earlier, and that's you know, you can
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: have one good practice against the Eagles. Did you go
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: home and you started reading some of the headlines that
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: other people wrote about how you dominated the practice, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: you know you were in the super Bowl and you're
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: you're back, and you know you're gonna just walk out
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: here today and put the helmet on and roll this
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Eagles team again.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: You know, look, any team can have a lucky year
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: and it all kind of lines up and you have
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: a great season. But the teams that are special are
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: the ones that do it year after year after year.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: That's what you know, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady's Patriots did.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Every year. It was a new team. They found new
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: ways to win, but they were always good.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: And you know, can the Patriots get back to that
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: consistency not just oh yeah it was great last year.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: We had an easy schedule, we'd have any injuries. Everything
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: kind of lined up. We went to the Super Bowl,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: and now you know we're going to be back around
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: like the six seven wins that you know some people
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: might have thought they would have the.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Team just do it again.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address. Let's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: see who was this, Mike? I think, let's see, looks
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: like a J. Brown went off. Could that be because
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: he has familiarity with the Eagles defense because he's practiced
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: with them a lot in the past.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I think he's just good good. Yeah, yeah, I mean
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I might have helped him, but yeah, I think wasn't there.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: I think he's a good player. I just you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: and I think he's been getting better and better. It
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: seeming seems to me every day of camp. Yeah, you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: I will allow if he wanted to sort of downplay
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: his his performance yesterday, maybe he had a little more motivation, Yeah,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: motivation than anybody else, which you know is hard to deny.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: You know, he was asked point blank you know if
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: he has spoken at all to Jalen Hurts.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Nope, nope. It was a very quick short answer that
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I think told you a lot.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: It feels like a similar situation going on with my
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Celtics and Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and we just
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: switched cities on a and then you look at like
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Roman Anthony and Marcelo Meyer, and Roman Anthony was practically
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: in tears talking about the fact that Marcel Meyer got traded.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: So I think you got a nice indication of where
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: things stand right now between A. J.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: Brown and his teammates.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Due to your point, I think when you talk about
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: consistency day two of a joint practice like this, you
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: got to remember going into that first practice, you're probably
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: looking at tape.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: From last year's games.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Last night, yesterday afternoon, they had a chance to watch
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: the film from practice yesterday, and they're all making adjustments
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: coming into today's practice. And I think that's where you'll
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: be impressed with the Patriots if they can have a
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: full day of tape, a full practice on tape, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: then come out still execute and still you know, for
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: for the most part, I guess beat the Eagles in
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: terms of practice wise.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: That that tells you a lot.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think yesterday we saw a lot
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: of middlefield stuff. I'm assuming today we're gonna probably see
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: red zone. I mean, that's probably the progression. Sure, there'll
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: be another one of those two minuttrils that that are good.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think part.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Of it too is, you know, there's a lot of
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: seven on seven stuff going on yesterday that people are
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: going crazy for, and you know, that's nice, but that
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: doesn't really feed into my overall takeaway from practice. It's
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: you know, it's a piece of it, but it's a
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: lot of the competitive stuff, you know down the end,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: and I mean, let's say too, a lot of times
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: these second days fights, Yeah, fights, I would say, let's
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: hope we don't see that there was that that that
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: one thing, but the field the field goal yesterday, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: you know they will mixing it up a little bit.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: I think Jalen Carter was involved in the middle of
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: that for the Eagles, and then it kind of died down,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: and I thought, really the practice without incident for the
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: most part. Yeah, and I hope you get the same
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: thing today that just bogs it down.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I don't see that particular incident blowing over to today.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: No, but I mean, I you know, I remember the
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Green Bay Joint practices Day two of that. It was
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: like seven fights in the first nine yea. I mean
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: it was stupid. It was like, what are we even
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: doing here? I don't think that's gonna happen today, but
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: you never know. Day two things are things can carry
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: over a little bit. So we'll see if guys can
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: stay disciplined.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Matt and Virginia Beach writes in Day Kwon Jones and
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Shaq Thompson a side. I can't see the Patriots bringing
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: in any pass rushers of note before week one. My
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: question is that if our pass rushers aren't affecting the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: quarterback the way we'd like, do you think the Patriots
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: would explore trade for a pass rusher near the trade deadline.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: It's possible.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know you're hoping and we talked a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: little bit about this yesterday, that Elijah Ponder and Gay
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Baccus improve and those guys emerge. You Ponder making that
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: year two lead backs, you know, coming into his own
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: as a rookie. Maybe you know, they're going to allow
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: those young guys some leash here to see if they
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: can bring the juice that they need. I thought Akis
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: flashed a couple of times yesterday, and I so consistently
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: see him do that in practice, maybe not with the speed, Paul, but.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: With the other elements of his games.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: So I'm you know, encouraged by what I've seen from
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Acus and I think that hopefully that comes along a
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: little bit more.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, anything is on the table.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: I connected to Harold Landry because I think you're going
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: to give Ponder and Acus some time to develop. They're
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: two young players that they clearly, you know, really like Ponder.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Not sure what his ceiling is. We talked about that yesterday.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Akus is figuring it all out. But you know, is
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Harold Landry able to come back and be solid for
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: you and you know, give you you know, maybe even
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: just enable Ponder to move into that role like.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: We talked about, as a pass rusher.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: But you know, if Landry doesn't come back, or if
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: he's not what he used to be and they like
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: then I could definitely see them, you know, maybe trying
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: to add somebody. But I don't think they're going to
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: give up on Acis and Ponder anytime soon.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: At the crowd another big crowd here at Let's State
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: in huge crowd yesterday, what do you think of Hassan
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Redick as a like a later down the road veteran.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: He's still on the market, I think, yeah, he's still unsigned.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think I mean violence.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: He plays the violence that and I think that's something
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: you hope if that's still a position in need towards
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: a trade deadline, you hope that's something they address. Because
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: they have a roster that can win the Super Bowl.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I think we can all agree on that. But if
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: that's still a position in need when you get there
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: and the young guys aren't exactly where you want him
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: to be and you feel like you don't want to
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: blitz all the time, like we talked about earlier, you
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: would hope that Patriots go and address that as a
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: team that's all in and trying to go win. The
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: big one is if that's really what you feel like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: can unlock everything and in the one missing piece, you
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: hope at the trade deadline or with a guy like Reddick,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: they'll make a signing or a move to unlock that
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: missing piece.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: David Main writes, and you know him, Jack, I don't
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: give me a last thing because.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: Everybody in California for a while, so that's a much
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: bigger state than May.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dave's question is mainly for Evan.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but why doesn't Marcus Jones return kicks?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Is it really that different than punt return?
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: Oh, We've been over this a couple of times.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I think the main reason why he doesn't return them
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: is his body type and durability. Like, I don't think
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: they want to put him back there in risk injury
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to him being back there.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: They've talked about that in the past.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: He already plays full time on defense, he returns punts,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: He's got a lot on his plate already, So I
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: think it's a durability or just like injury protection thing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Mostly it is a different skill set and I think
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: he would be good at it, but it is a
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: different skill set.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: You look at guys that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Return kickoffs, it's more straight line speed, Quardell Patterson type
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: of players. You look at punt returners, it's more Marcus Jones.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: You want the jitterbugs, the guys that can make people miss.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: So it is a little bit different in terms of
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you know what you look for in that respect, but
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: they I think the main thing with Marcus Jones is
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the durability factor.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Freddy, you had your Guyfton Chisholm made a guy miss.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: On a punt return yesterday.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: He had a good move, just put his foot the
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: ground and change directions.
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: The guys the guy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: The guys are on you a lot faster on a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: punt return.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: The gunners and the guys covering the punt, they're right
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: in there in the grill a lot of the time,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: whereas the kickoff return you have a runway to kind
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: of build up speed.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: So guys that can build up speed are more.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: But it's a good question, and it's one that we've
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: thought about. Like a guy like Marcus Jones, I'll bet he.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Could do it, absolutely, he'd be their best kick.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Did it, Yeah, But you know how much I just
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: think it's a little bit more violent with the new
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: syst quote unquote dynamic.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's why they don't put Travon Henderson back
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: there a ton either. And I think both those guys
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Henderson did it in the playoffs last year when they
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: needed a kind of a play a spark from special teams. Like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: if you get to a point like that where it's
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: the AMC Championship game and you need a spark, then
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I think that they might put the guy like Henderson
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: back there to try to get it to him.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: So, so your original point on this topic is Troy
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Brown last week talked about on the pregame show how
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: you want a bigger body to run through those arm
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: tackles on a kickoff compared to a punt return.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: It's much more about build up speed than it is about,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: you know, elusiveness. Yeah, that's the real difference.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Nick and North Dakota, Right, Sin wondering is has Duce
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: developed any Derek Henry type man crushes on any of
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the Eagles players?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Is that your guy? Douce Derrick Henry?
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: Well, oh god, you know, since we're at a joint practice,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Jack and it's your first one, I'll share this story.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: We were in a joint practice down in Tennessee in
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. My first like this is, I've been working
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: here like two.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Weeks a couple of times. It's all right, we're gonna
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: sit you down there. And so we're doing a live
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: show just like we are right now.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: We were down on the field, we couldn't see anything,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: and Derek Henry's actually rehabbing at the time, and so
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: he walked left to right in front of our tables
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: right well, he only was really wearing spandex shorts bread.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: To be honest, that was oh, it wasn't just shorts.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just sureless.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: He's married to a woman.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: And my jaws on the floor because I first looked
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: at him like, oh, they're they're working out, looking at Duce.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: It's just like offensive tackle.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: And then like my brain suddenly was like that's Derrick Henry.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: And I'm like and I look and like Paul Fred
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: not or you were there, Paul Eric not even rattled,
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: you know, they're just continuing to do their analysis. And
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: then like I make eyes with Matt Morrell, who's also like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: guys wide hope we're going holy crap. So Dereck Henry's
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: been my guy ever since. But no, I haven't been
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: really spending much time. I got at the Eagles players.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I got one for you and not have to put
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: our camera guys on the spot. But ninety three for
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: the Eagles who are Bernard. He's from Nigeria. He did
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: not play college football okay in America. He's a bafway player.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: He had a nine point nine out of ten relative
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: athletics scorer at relatively athletic at the International Combine and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: he is a has second.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So the International Combine is that using the metric system?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: No?
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: This guy he ran and it's weird too. I'll get
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: the exact numbers for you. He's an absolute free He
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: ran a two nine.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He actually had a.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Really good rep in one on ones against Elijah Verttucker yesterday.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: He is six foot five, three hundred and six pounds.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: He ran a four to six to three in the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: forty yards its defensive lineman. He is a defensive tackle.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: He jumped thirty nine inches in the vertical at six
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: five three oh six.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: He ran a four to six three. Do you say
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: forty nine?
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: No? Thirty?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It's not get too crazy, okay.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: So He's just a Nigerian lump of clay that they're
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: going to mold into another All.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Pro A classic Howie Roseman. You know, we're just gonna
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: figure this guy out. Thet we think talk about Ron
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: is a big Chesney fan.
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, Yeah, it seems like.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: I love the Chesney's always got, like the broken in hat,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Like it doesn't look like he swung through the pro Shop.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: On his shoes. But he never wears sleeves either. Yeah,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: those sleeves either. What do we got into forty time
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: for Chesney right now? Do you think he likes that hat?
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: He wears that hat a lot.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: He's six point sixty three.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: He's at least sub seven.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I'll give him the meters of yards that had it
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to Patriots Pro Shop. Yeah, let everyone know good Patriot,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Matt writes in something I was thinking about and I
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: wanted your thoughts. I feel what made the dynasty area
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of Patriots so dangerous was the psychological effect that Tom
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Brady had on the opponent. I believe that every team
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that faced the Patriots tried as best as they could
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to win, but they were mentally ready to lose.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Could Drake may develop in.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: A QB that brings a similar psychological effect on opponents.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, do you agree with that premise? Yes, yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: one thousand percent. I mean you hear the sidelines of man,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that's Tom Brady over there.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: I remember Mohammed Sanu, you know, talking about with somebody
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: on the sideline of Super Bowl fifty one. But yeah,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: I mean you got to earn it. And I think
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady was we talk about all the time. He
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: was never dead until the clock hit zero, and he
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: was going to make a my bush.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: That was what the like the adjustment in the Super
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Bowl was where you're like looking at the scoreboard, You're like,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: well it isn't twenty eight to three, But we.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Ain't got Tom Brady right now, you know.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I Mean I've always thought that not only did Brady
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: affect how players thought, he also affected how front offices thought,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: especially in the AFC East. And I think during his
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: tenure they were so urgent in a panic to try
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: to establish themselves that they made a lot of bad
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: moves personnel wise, But for the right reasons.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: There's no sense of trying to like build a team
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: that can't beat the best team in your division. Of course,
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: so when you have a guy like Brady who puts
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: that kind of a measuring stick, you need to try
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: to match that or exceed it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: And Fred's right.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: Time after time, the Dolphins and Jets, especially the Bills
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: to a lesser extent, just failed to do it. They
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: couldn't get anybody in there at all that made any sense.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: You know, Jets had a small window.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: You know Rex Ryan was and again going back to
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: the original question of the email alert, like did Tom
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: Brady have guys beat before they played? Well, there was
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: one coach that wasn't affected by that, and it was
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: Rex Ryan.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: That's true. He wasn't a sense. That's why they had
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: a little, small, little window.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: Now, he wasn't a good enough coach to sustain it
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: the way Belichick did for twenty years. But he wasn't
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: afraid of Belichick. He respected him, but he wanted to
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: beat with him. He wasn't beaten before the game started.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Rex Ryan annoyed the hell out of me, but I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: have to admit it was great content.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: No.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, him calling all the season ticket
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: holders in New Jersey to say.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Come out and make a lot of noise.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, when you think of that twenty years
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: of that run with Brady, that's the only time the
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: AFC really kind of it's the East felt kind of interesting,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: you know. The other ones, It's like Paul rattled them off.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: I mean some of the coaches. I always thought that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Those like early two thousands Dolphins teams had a chance,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: but they never found the quarterback like Ricky Willie. J
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Fiedler was Dolphins, like those teams had talent and has
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: never found the quarterback that could compete.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the combination of Dave Wantstead and Jay Fiedler just
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: really I'm just I'm being.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Honest, Like they were good. It's right, that was a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: good team. They just weren't good enough.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like we've revisioned his history of that team
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: because they had that was.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: A good team that always fell short in a big game.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I'll give you I'll give you an example of psychological
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: effect hurting the Patriots. So back when Ryan was the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: head coach of the Jets and he had that call
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: out to his fans to make a lot of noise,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the Patriots overthought that game to the point where they
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: came out with what they called grease boards. They were
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: little whiteboards, and they weren't gonna, you know, use verbal signals.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: They were gonna write them on these little grease boards.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: And as soon as I saw that, I said, we're
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: gonna lose this game because we're overthinking. I mean, they're
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: not gonna be any louder than the loudest you've ever
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: seen in a stadium.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So just don't go out of your normal practices. Stick
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: with it. And they lost the.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: Game, and Isaiah stand back taking significant reps in that game. Offensively,
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: we were short handed a little bit too well. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: think Welcome missed that game and Edelman had a good game,
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: if I recall, but that was it was one of
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: those games like sixteen to nine.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But the grease boards and they never brought him back.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: You never saw you never saw grease boards use a game.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was the one time I got a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: question for you guys.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: You talk about Tom Brady and that shred running the dynasty.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: If you're a team in the AFC East, you have
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: to you have no choice but to try to stack
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: up obviously, unless you're tanking, which a lot of them
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: failed to do most years. Do you feel that way
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: about Josh Allen right now? Have you the past couple
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: of years with the way he's thought about around the league.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Does he have that effect or are you not as
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: worried I do?
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Mahomes, Like in the AFC, in particularly,
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: you have all these quarterbacks Mahomes, Allen, Jackson. If you
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: can't compete Borrow, if you can't compete with those guys offensively,
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: you can't win.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, unless.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: You can develop a defense that can shut those guys down,
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: which I haven't really seen.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think the difference between Josh Allen and Brady though,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: is not on Brady's level, let's not get ridiculous, but
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: in terms of the psychological effect.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you were worried about his physical tools, like
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: him getting out of the pocket and extending plays and
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: things like that. Brady, you're more worried about him figuring
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: out what you're doing and picking you apart.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yep, you know a little bit different.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if we didn't have Drake May
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: right now, I mean, Josh Allen would be enemy number one,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you know, He's he'd be the reason why we can't
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: compete in the a f C East.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: But now we've got a quarters reason for five years. Yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: last year key Beatlem. Now we've got our quarterback.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I would agree with Paul, though I don't think it's
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: just Josh Allen. I think it's the collection of quarterbacks
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: in the A.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: They're also different, right, Like it's just you know, Brady
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: and Manning were you know, kind of similar styles. But
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it's it's just just to focus on
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen's tough because what about Lamar Jackson?
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Do you know, like on this feeling they're going to
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: make it through the AFC tournament if you don't have
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: an elite quarterback because you're going to play an elite
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: quarterback at some point. You're going to play even last
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: year even though they played didn't play super League, Like Justin.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: Herbert is a really good quarterback. Justin Herbert and you
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: have Lamar and you have.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Allen Mirabel the best part of this right here, we're
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: going to get hurt of it if gay back is
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: at all less than one hundred.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Rabel is laying hands right now, so he's going to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: be fine.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Right If I'm a Patrios fan, though not to go
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: all like like fanboy, but like doesn't this is awes,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Like this is what you want to see you drafted
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: this like raw physical specimen at outside linebacker. That's a
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Patriot Hall of Famer, your head coach. Now he's you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: got hands on him. As Paul's likes to say, and
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: like you, Akus is, things that he needs to work
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: on are coachable. They are coachable.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: We talked about this yesterday. I thought you made a
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: good point on this. Ready.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the advantage that Akis has is Rabel was exactly
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: where Akus is right now, second round pick, you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: trying to catch on uh. Akus might actually get more
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: play than Rabel did when he was with Pittsburgh with
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the with the ones. But but this is he Rabel's
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: been there. He can relate and and the stuff that
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: he has to say to Akis is going to resonate.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think, I mean, I'm amazed with
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Mike Frable's ability to coach the whole team. I mean,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: he seems to, you know, have experience with every position group.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: But this is his bread and butter. I mean, this
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: is what he did. What I'm sure you know, I
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: think we all if you play a sport, you're there's
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: always a special like I like a lefty defenseman in
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: hockey always got a special place in my heart.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: That's what I played. U outside linebackers, set in the edge.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: These are all things that Mike made Mike Rabel a
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: Hall of Famer, so hopefully ReBs off.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: What helps a guy like this too, is when you're
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: behind you, you missed a ton of the summer.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: You relate to camp.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: When you have a head coach that's invested in you,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: showing he's invested in you, trying to make you better.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Catch up to speed.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's probably a lot of uncertainty when
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: you come in like that, you probably feel behind the
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: eight ball. When you have a head coach doing that
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: with you, you probably feel right at home.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: We loved it when Belichick used to do it with players.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: You know, now he didn't have the playing experience that
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that Vrabel had, but when he would go one on one,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: we would you know, oh, look.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: At Belichick, he's one on one with a receiver.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did used to do that. I do agree.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I do agree that Fred Mike Rabel does it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: And that's why I thought the point that Fred made yesterday,
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: it is a very similar situation.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I think Mike is bigger than Accis.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: And the problem Forrabel had in Pittsburgh, which is kind
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: of overblown now because he was such a good Patriot,
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Like he was behind guys that were like borderline Hall
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: of famers. I mean that they had a stacked like
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: the Bill Cowerd defenses of the late nineties where no joke,
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: you know, and Greg Lloyd and those guys like they
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: were pretty good. So it was not like they just
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: they had this guy and they didn't know what he was.
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: You know, he was a situational player on defense and
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: a special teamer. And then he came to a team
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: that didn't have Greg Lloyd in front of him and
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: those kinds of guys, and he started and he became
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: a really good player for the Patriots. That's what Accus
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: is going to get, probably the opportunity to play more
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: right away because he's trying to beat out Elijah Ponder, Kenny.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Chesney's going to run some seven on seven's.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: Ready to cover somebody, you know with What's popped up
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: to me though consistently on this camp is the Mike
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: Rabel gave back as kind of relationship. And you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: I remember the players talking about how when acis finally
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: arrived able having him get up and stead.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of footage of him one on one.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: We you know, we heard him in the press conference
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: yesterday talking about you know, Akus and his performance in
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: the game or sorry, I guess that was probably Monday.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Uh you know.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: So I just it seems to me that Mike Vrabel
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: has a very clear eye on Gay Accus and knows
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: how important he's going to be to this team, and
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: he's giving him, you know, some tough love.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I think if we're sitting here wondering where the pressure
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is gonna come from, you know, the coaches are too.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, well that's what it speaks to me. Yeah,
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: it's that's exactly it. It's you know, we're gonna need
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: this kid, and I got to be all over him,
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: like as my dad likes to say, white on Rice
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: every day, making sure that he's getting the details down. Uh,
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: you know, And to Evan's point that, I think that's
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: what it is. You know, it's the details that this kid,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: you know, needs to learn and have the game start
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: to slow down.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: The owner with Kenny Chesney just earlier, Yeah you are,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I know this.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Is probably I overrate this a little bit, But like
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: evaluating players in the trenches too, I do put a
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: little bit of stock of Mike Rabel working them out.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I think that they've had a little bit of success
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: here and we'll see with Akis. But like having Rabel's
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: playing experience and knowing what it feels like when a
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: guy puts your hands on you, and knowing how strong
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: that feels, and how an NFL player's like core and
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: grip strength should be, and then being able to like
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: pop check off those types of players in the draft
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: process and things like that. I think that that is
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: important and I think that that does help them in
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: terms of drafting.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: While we're on the Mike Rabel effect, I want to
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: bring up the running back room.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: If that's okay with you, guys.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Got I think that that okay with you got so
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: last year showed you that this is a place you
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: can come if you're looking for a fresh start in
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: this league. And Mike Rabel, if he's willing to give
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: the opportunity, you can have that opportunity under Vrabel, A
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: guy like Hassan Haskins, it makes me excited to see
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: him potentially in that third running back role, a guy
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: who is a great athlete. He was all big ten
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: at Michigan, had a great college career, hasn't necessarily found
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: his way in the NFL quite yet. Is that fair
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: to assume that he's a guy who could you know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: have the little Mike Rabel magic to him and having
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: a role on this team this year.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Well, he's I think he has a chance to make
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: the team. But he was drafted by Rabel and Tennessee.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: So this is a guy that he has a lot
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: of familiarity with and they drafted him in the fourth
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: round and invested in him and it didn't really pan
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: out with the Titans.
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: So another one of those guys for.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Rabel, and we got a slew of him now that
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: are have connections to him from Tennessee. But he's the
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: type of running back you know, downhill back, power back,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: special teams to add, you know, like those are the
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: types of things that you're gonna make the team.
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: As a third running back. That's how you're gonna make it.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, and you talk about effects, you have
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: to talk about Bill Belichick. You know, Mike Rabel grew
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: up with Mike Bill Belichick as his coach and heard
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: every preseason it's not about where you came from, It's
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: about what you do once you're here. And I would
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: imagine that hearing that every year from Bill Belichick kind
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: of rupped off a little bit.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think it's good coaching, you know, it's
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: just letting guys compete and not having any preconceived notions
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: of how good or talented players are. I just say
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: on Haskins, I think the kickoff returner spot is a
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: great thing for him, Like that's a great spot for him.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: At the other side of the covering kids.
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: I think he's a big physical player, and I think
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: that lends itself to Yeah, I would agree.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I agree with And.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like he can you don't really care
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: if he gets hurt, you know what I mean. Like
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: he's kind of that like sacrificial guy, you know, you know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: just you get him late in camp, but it looks
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: like he's got some ability, and you know, it gives
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: you that peace of mind that you're not going to have.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: To stick gets hurt.
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not like a left handed defenseman that's
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: not quite good enough for PP one, but maybe he's
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: a fit for P twos.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: Right, No, but I you know, it's look, I think
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: he's looked pretty good. I like, you know, it seems
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: like he's got size and he's gotten hit in the
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: backfield a couple of times and he spins out of it.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: But you know, just I don't know who was going
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: to play that kickoff returner role, and it seems like
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: he might be able to do it and give you,
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: you know, just saving guys you don't have to worry about.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: All right, we got to put Henderson out there or
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: you know, I still like to see Kyle Williams in that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he's got the sturdiness to handle
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: kickoff returns, but I like it's.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Sticking with special teams.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Jeff and Virginia rights in are we small Sea or
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Big Sea?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Concerned about Brendan's schooler not being out there yet? Small season? Yeah, yeah, small.
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: I thought we were going both.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Small because it's special teams, are small Sea because it's
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Brenton schooler.
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: Not because it's Brendon's schooler. Yeah, Like that's no disrespect.
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: I just want to clarify special teams.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I think he'll be back, but he
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: is the leader of the special teams, right, Yeah, he's
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: a very good player on special teams. I think they
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: are better team with him and I I just I
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: don't think it's going to be a season long thing.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: I mean we we've caught glimpses of them here and there,
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: so I think he'll be back sooner.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: Come the Eagles.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Here come the Eagles. Okay, like stormtroopers and.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: They all white Thunderdome. Welcome to Thunderdome. Yeah, is that
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: from Green Bay? That was that was cool?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know that's a that's a public enemy,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: sung Paul. I know what, So didn't you say it?
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Because the Green Bank was like coming out terd Is
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: it Minnesota?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: And again sticking with special teams? How was Bora Gallis's
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: day yesterday?
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Good? Good ending?
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: I mean hit two fifty plus they missed one, yeah,
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Dot a couple a couple missed one.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he did make the two at the end
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: of the.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Long ones.
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: He's missing. He keeps hooking it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: He's missing right to left consistently right, which I think
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: is in some ways, in a weird way, kind of
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: encouraging because it's clearly something mechanical that like once he
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: gets centered again, like he'll probably be fine, It's not
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: like he doesn't have enough leg or anything like that.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: It's like he keeps me missing marginally wide left. So
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: obviously I think he, you know, is swinging maybe too
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: hard and he's.
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: Just kind of yanking the ball. I don't know what
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: it is. I I don't.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are some kickers that do that on purpose.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: They like to use a little bit of spin draw
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: to kind of.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: Control it at calling your golf game, right, recollect to
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: call it a power fade.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it is interesting that all three of
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: the kicks in the preseason game and the two kicks
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: that were that were ify yesterday wide left, all five
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: of them wide left. So it's obviously a mechanical thing
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: that he's got to figure out.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: I will say that the kicks look better like the
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: ones in the game. We're not, you know, well struck.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: They were going sideways. A couple of them mishits exactly.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: So.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: Since they've been back to practice and Rabel talked about
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: the operation being back together with Ashby back in uniform,
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: maybe that did have a little impact on him.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: It's it's such a tenuous thing with with kickers, and
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: it is you know, you guys are.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Talking about golf game. It is kind of like golf.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that swing can be very tenuous and something
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: as minor you you think, as the long snapper, being
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: different does kind of get in a guy's head.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Sometimes. I think he's looked more normal in practice since
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I agree with that. That's why I brought up the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: swing of his leg. And maybe he's like over kicking
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: the ball and that's why the ball is hooking because
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: like that, I think it's a lot more I guess,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: like reassuring that it's the same miss every time, like
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: if he was spraying the ball all over the place.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I agree, you know, justin Rorosser's style, you'd be like, oh,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: but the fact that it's the same kind of miss
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: hit the.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Bullet a couple of times. I think that's a mechanical thing.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: So they get right to it. Huh A J Brown
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: with a one on one touchdown catch.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: We're doing, we're doing. Maybe we can zoom out a
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: little bit and see it, uh?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Or can we not? We're allowed to film this period.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: So it strike touchdown Hunter Henry with a win right there?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jack, you can be our eyes perfect okay.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: Just only good stuff though, please, there we go, there
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: we go.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it seems like we're not to marry a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas pop already. Yeah's have speed.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: Yep, that doesn't all the excitement from the crowd though,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: that this might as well be a real game.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you guys, what you guys are
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Yes, shows this is an offensive drill, just like one
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: on ones, just like one on ones in the trenches
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: are defensive drill. This is absolutely you want to see
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: your offense winning this.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: It's I mean, obviously they're they're close to the end
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: zone now, so probably a theme of red zone today.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Thinks are gonna be tighter.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a good challenge, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: for Drake and the offense to really be tight on
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: their operation sticking the ball into some tight holes.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a little bit more difficult today.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm really getting excited about him. Yeah, you know,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: as a pass catcher obviously, but he's he's performed, he's performed, so.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: I just wonder what's gonna look like when you get
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: to the regar season. Of course, you know, how much
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: are they gonna feel comfortable putting them out there, But if.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: They don't do it when they're puppies, they won't do
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: it when they're done. So you got to do it
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: in camp too.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Jalen pultated in camp too.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: So that was one of the lessons I've learned over
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: the years of you know, a guy can have a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: great camp and catch a bunch of.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Balls and it's not to be.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: But look, all you can ask the kid is to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: keep showing up and making plays. And you know, I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: don't think it's been perfect, but he's certainly not on
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: the sideliness, hurt or any of those kind of things
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: that you know, set these guys back and they're never
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: able to get on track if you're out here every day.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: It's just it's positive that he can stack some of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: these things.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: And yeah, we'll see where he's at once the regular
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: season gets here.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: Going back to that, you know that little interaction we
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: saw with Rabel and Acus, you know earlier when our
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: cameras picked up Vrabel and Rarit, it was was talking
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: to him for a little bit, so you know, obviously
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: a little extra time for the draft class, you know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: the rookies. I understand that Mike Vrabel has to worry
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: about ninety one guys out there, but you know that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: he's thinking, Okay, these are guys that are really important,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: you know, spending a little extra time with them.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I like to see that, and I do. I Fred.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: I've been high on Rared and since they drafted him,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: like Notlayers, I don't love that lie, but I like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: the skill set of the profile, like, you know, a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: sort of a big play, tight end kind of guy
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: averaged as Evan says, over sixteen yards a catch, you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: or fourteen yards a catch, I forget which one.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Last year at Notre Dame.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: I like that kind of of a skill set, and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: I think that if you can plug that in to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: Austin Hooper's catches last year, Austin Hooper made a number
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: of memorable plays, even though we have later.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's all you're going to.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: Get out of I don't think you're going to get
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: much more than that out of rarat it, but I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: think you might be thinking about them and if if
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: he leaks out the backside and he's and he's open
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: for one of those they missed one of these in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl that I think could have been a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: big play, and Drake overthrew Hooper. He's going to be
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: able to, I think, get down the sideline for bigger
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: gains than than Hooper was k ve at that stage
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: of his career.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: So I share your enthusiasm on rare it in Okay.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: The fun part to me too is having a J.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: Brown and Dobbs really starting to click. And what's it
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: going to mean for these other receivers, you know, how
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: much less coverage are they going to see? How much
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: easier are things going to be, you know, for Pop Douglas,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: for maybe even Hunter Henry a little bit. But I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: think they'll key off Hunter Henry too, so maybe that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: opens up things for rarated.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited for Pop Douglas this year.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: I think having those two weapons on the outside and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Dobbs and Brown is gonna free him up in the middle.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: And I'm very and I feel like if it's not
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: this year, or when is it gonna be for to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: Mario Douglas.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's a contract year for him. He's had
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: a good camp, you know. I just I'll be interested
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: to see how he does this year. How it translates
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: to next year. I mean, I I mean, based on
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: the camp, it's a guy that I would really consider
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: trying to keep around. I think he's a good complimentary piece.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: You got aj Brown here, Hopefully he sticks around. You
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: got a four year deal with Dobbs. You know, I'm
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: having a button hook you here. Yeah, I'm gonna go
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: all Freddy. I'm thinking a Julian Edelman.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you give him a couple of years
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: and all of a sudden year three year four, he's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: he to sort of step.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: In for Welker. Yeah, maybe that's after Chisholm. That's what
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Edelman did.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: You know, Maybe maybe next year, if you're not able
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: to re sign Douglas, maybe you get the leap out
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: of the.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Only difference I would say between Edelman and Chisholm is more.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: Durable, well, but earlier in his career until right, I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: don't then found things.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I think part of the story too, that with with
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: with Pop Douglas is that I think we kind of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: had him miscast in our minds as that shifty slot
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: short you know, whip routes underneath stuff, ditching guys, you know,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: and I we started to see last year they started
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: put him down the field a little bit more.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: He can shake loose, he can make some explosive plays.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And it's a question I.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: Want to ask Josh to just always to ask about,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: you know, how hard is for players to learn his
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: system and adjust to what he does. How much does
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: he adjust to the players? Is he learns them and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: their skill sets? And you know how does he then?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: You know A J.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: Brown said it yesterday that Josh is putting him making
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: his job easier, putting him in position, you know, take
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: advantage of matchups.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: When he starts to do that with Pop Douglas a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: little bit more, does you know does that open up
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: him and make him more productive? Yeah? I think he
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: did that Pop a little bit last year.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: I keep on going back to that play.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: He made against the Saints, you know, the big play
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: down the field in New Orleans. You know, he had
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: a month long stretch there whereas a dot Paul was like,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: well over twenty yards.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: That's average depth of tar.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: I appreciate thatated well over twenty yards in an attempt.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: They're throwing a bombs away down the field to him.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: And I wrote about it and he said that, you
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: know at Liberty. That's what he did. He was a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: double move, speed, slot down the field kind of player
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: in college, and that's like kind of where he feels comfortable,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: and then the underneath stuff was something that he was
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: adapting to.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I think we've seen similar things with Romeo Dobbs.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: I think Romeo Dobbs had minor shifts in his route
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: tree have gone on this summer too, where I think
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: he's playing more on the outside and they're targeting in
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: more on angular routes and not so much in the slot,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: and you know some of those creative digs routes that
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: we saw last year. So I think that there's a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: lot of feeling out going on with all those guys.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: But there's no.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Doubt that Pop is at his best when he's getting
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: more vertical down the field and not the underneath stuff.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if he doesn't take a leap, is that someone
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: you're worried about walking or in the off season or well,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: if he doesn't take a leap, then no, yeah, right right,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: If he has a bad year.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Then I want to Yeah, no, I mean, I I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: think it's you know, they got some decisions to make.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: I'd be interested to see what they do you know
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: with Matt Collins. Yeah, you know as well in Kaishan Boody,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: is is he sticking around? I know there was no
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: speculation yesterday, Jaden Higgins.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: There we go, there's there's a seventh round pick.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: Right, so we uh so maybe take the Will Anderson
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: for Kayshan Boody in a six round pick?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: You know, like I do that. I consider that, Yeah,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: fifth reasonable? You know what the Patriots wouldn't. I feel
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: very fifty million.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: I feel as though I want nothing to do with
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: trading Kaishan Boody to an AFC contender. It might just
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: be superstition of me. I get that, But the last
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: thing that I want is a trade.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: Well, then you don't want to trade him because you
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: think he's good and he's going to affect.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I think he's good enough that I don't want to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: trade him to Houston. And then they're playing them in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: the divisional round and he's mossing somebody on the.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: Patriots, Like.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I go send him out to San Francisco there everybody's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: dropping like flies over there, Like, send him, you know,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: out west somewhere.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I had my options, you know, a
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: team that I'm not going.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: To play sure, but I just heard the lot. If
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: I have someone that wants to give me something for him,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: I would give it. I would absolutely make it.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: I just heard.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: You know, now Houston's getting brought up, Kansas City has
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: gotten brought up even like in the division to Buffalo. Like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: we're not helping any one of those teams.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, we're gonna be wrapping it up shortly.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Final thoughts anyone.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Excited for another? I mean this last day of training camp.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: I hope the Patriots can stack a second day have
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: the same kind of performance, especially for the offense.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Protect Drake. May he do that? I think think all
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: the other problems are going to sort themselves out.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: Okay, that's a good, good bow that you just tied
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: on that right there, Mike, Thank you.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: You should be that effective in the camp casts. I try.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't work for some reason, instead of letting
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Evan have to do all the work. Wow, I'm to shine.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: I know we got to go. But some one on
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: one notes notes.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I saw j Brown catching awful a lot of passes.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: I was not tracking that Will Campbell one and one
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: against Jalen's hunt. Same as yesterday I had Caleb Lomu
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: as one on one as well against a J. Eppen
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: As a nice showing by Demetrius Crown over three and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: oh all three wins for him there as well. Jared
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: Wilson looked good again, but Jalax Hunt's given Campbell a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of problem on the edge in these last
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  Speaker 3: two days.
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  Speaker 1: Brod.
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  Speaker 4: The word of the day is execution. I think with
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  Speaker 4: a day a full practice of film on tape. They
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  Speaker 4: watched it yesterday afternoon, they're making adjustments. I think the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots can come out today execute have a good practice.
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