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How to Get the Gold · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Everybody. This is Freddie Rodriguez and I'm Wilmer about d rama.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to those amigos.
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  Speaker 2: This is season two, season two, as we say around
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  Speaker 2: this woods, those but welcome back. We're excited that you
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  Speaker 2: maybe your long flights, your road trips. Very grateful that
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  Speaker 2: you've stuck with us on this journey as we continue
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  Speaker 2: to explore what those amigos means to us.
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  Speaker 1: And in the same vein you know, we we.
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  Speaker 2: Have a season full of amazing friends and and exciting conversations,
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  Speaker 2: and you know you're not only.
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  Speaker 1: Invited, you're going to be our third amigo.
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  Speaker 3: Amigo baby, here we go. How are you woomer?
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  Speaker 1: You good? Got you asked?
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  Speaker 3: That's a great jacket.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, thank you man.
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  Speaker 3: How I complimented you when I saw you today?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? Yes, you like this jacket. That's a great jacket.
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  Speaker 1: You thought it was Ralph Lauren.
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  Speaker 4: Because I remember when we were in Texas that time
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  Speaker 4: we went to that store you took me to in
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  Speaker 4: Austin and it had all that great gear and you
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  Speaker 4: were explaining to me how Ralph Lauren does their own
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  Speaker 4: sort of line. What's that line called double RL?
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  Speaker 1: That's it. I think double RL is very cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's inspired by so many vintage pieces they're
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  Speaker 2: no longer on rotation, so it's like almost like vintage new. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like you can put on some pair of
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  Speaker 2: pants knowing that somebody else's stuff was not in it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like your your your speakeasy
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  Speaker 4: is is that style?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little it's like vintage new. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: the only thing that's like really really vintage is this motorcycle,
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  Speaker 2: which somebody's stuff has definitely been on that seat, you know,
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  Speaker 2: A big shout out to Luke barn you know who
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  Speaker 2: let us have this motorcycle. Yeah, you know, as as
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  Speaker 2: our backdrop. But are you a motorcycle guy?
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  Speaker 3: Not really.
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  Speaker 4: I've been married a long time and my wife's not
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  Speaker 4: crazy about me being on a motorcycle and having kids.
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  Speaker 3: What about you your motorcycle?
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  Speaker 2: Well, like every uh, young Latino in the nineties, I
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  Speaker 2: wanted a ninja.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I wanted like.
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  Speaker 3: Like a real colorful neon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe not maybe red black, you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: you know, I just wanted to wear that outfit.
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  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, what do you mean? Like the whole
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  Speaker 3: motorcycle jack.
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  Speaker 2: The jacket, the leather pants. It's like speaking of leather pants.
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  Speaker 2: Not to bring back a social subject, but you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Freddie has all experience with other pants.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so have I To be fair.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna say I have a feeling you did too.
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  Speaker 2: I just got to do my fortune. Uh it was.
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  Speaker 2: It's never been historical recorded, So.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to talk to Manda
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 2: But I have more embarrassing stuff in my career that's
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  Speaker 2: definitely historically recorded anymore, Like could you could you give
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  Speaker 2: an example?
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  Speaker 1: Ah? Man, did you watch that seventy show? Do you
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  Speaker 1: have two hundred half hours to talk about?
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  Speaker 4: This is brilliant comedic acting is what I show?
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  Speaker 1: You had television once before?
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  Speaker 3: A little bit before in there embarrassing moment.
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  Speaker 1: What's the longest running show?
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  Speaker 4: You're you've done the longest running Let's see a bowl?
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  Speaker 3: The show was just on ran five seasons. Six Feet
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  Speaker 3: Under ran five seasons. Five has been the magic number?
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  Speaker 1: How many episodes do you do in those?
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  Speaker 3: The cable?
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  Speaker 4: Six Feet Under was it started off as like thirteen episodes.
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  Speaker 1: That was going to take that time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but Bowl it was like twenty two to
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  Speaker 4: twenty three episodes, which man, it's right. You hit like
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  Speaker 4: that January point after the holidays and.
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  Speaker 3: You're just like wow.
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  Speaker 1: So six Feet Under was nominated for tons of what words?
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  Speaker 4: Now? It was yeah, yeah, we were actually at a
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  Speaker 4: certain point. We're in the Guinness Book of World Records
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  Speaker 4: for the most Emmy nominations of.
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  Speaker 3: All time no way. Yeah, this was like two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and one or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Who had the other record? Would the for us? I'm
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  Speaker 1: not the lesser show? Who was the lesser show?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe mash Or, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But but Game of Thrones dethroned us, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: But they had VFX and all the categories that didn't
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  Speaker 2: compete that you didn't compete in, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we held that record for a while,
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  Speaker 4: but they I heard that they dethroned us, So I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of thrown, shout out to Brian Cogman, Yeah, buy
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  Speaker 2: a great executive producer and writer. Throw four Emmys as
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  Speaker 2: a writer for that show. Crazy, Just an amazing, brilliant
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  Speaker 2: man and a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: So with that show.
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  Speaker 2: The actors got nominated on that too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was nominated. Oh yeah, that's what I
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  Speaker 3: was learning.
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  Speaker 1: You finished my.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was perfect, seguay to talk about award season
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  Speaker 2: because you had an experience. I only campaign for a
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  Speaker 2: teen Choice award I wanted, but with the means I
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  Speaker 2: don't have much experience, but you have, which I'm excited
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  Speaker 2: to talk about because I know, yeah, award season is
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  Speaker 2: about now.
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  Speaker 1: The is uh you know, is a big deal in
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  Speaker 1: this town.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, also a lot is defined, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot is is dictated by you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: some of these academies, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean when you when you did your show Six
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  Speaker 2: Feet Under, what was that like?
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  Speaker 1: You get a phone call?
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  Speaker 2: Like, how do you how do first you find out
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  Speaker 2: that you're nominated, You watch the nominated the announcement of
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  Speaker 2: the nominations, or you just wake up the next morning
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  Speaker 2: you got a call from the producer.
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  Speaker 1: How does that work?
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  Speaker 3: I gotta well, for.
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  Speaker 4: Me, person, I got to call it like five in
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  Speaker 4: the morning to tell me that I was nominated, which
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  Speaker 4: is insane. You know, I was like half asleep, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were all nervous. It was it was like our
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  Speaker 4: second season, I believe, and.
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  Speaker 1: We sort of a second season.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it was like first season going into like second season.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And this was before social media, before any of that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, it was it was like being
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  Speaker 4: shot out of a cannon. You know, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: you're you're part of the biggest show on the planet,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and you get nominated. But it's uh, but
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  Speaker 4: it was such a humbling experience. And then you you
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  Speaker 4: go through these different like luncheons, and you get to
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  Speaker 4: meet the other people who were nominated. Uh, you get
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  Speaker 4: to go to different parties, you get to I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I described because I've also gone through an Oscar campaign.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even let me you let me go there. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: What I was gonna say is is the the what's
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  Speaker 4: similar is is that it's it's very It's what I
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  Speaker 4: would imagine is is like a like a political campaign,
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  Speaker 4: like if you're running for office, who who who.
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  Speaker 2: Are the people you kind of have to you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of be in community with during that campaign, the voters.
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  Speaker 4: The academy voters, and so you know, in sixteen hundred's case,
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  Speaker 4: it was the sixteen unders case, it was different because
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  Speaker 4: it was such a it was such a phenomenon from
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  Speaker 4: like from from the.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very obvious choice for the Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So there wasn't much campaigning beforehand.
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  Speaker 3: But but I did a movie called Bobby and for
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  Speaker 3: that there was a lot of campaigning. And I describe it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I've never ran for office before, but from
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  Speaker 4: what I've seen in documentaries and on TV, it was
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  Speaker 4: very similar to that. You you literally launch a campaign,
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  Speaker 4: and if you're running for office, right, the campaign is
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  Speaker 4: vote for me, right, I should be in this position
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  Speaker 4: in office.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: If you're doing it for an oscar, it's the same
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  Speaker 4: thing you're saying, vote for me, you know, for best
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  Speaker 4: supporting act or best actor whatever it was.
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  Speaker 2: That's such an interesting campaign because I wonder what gets
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  Speaker 2: the vote? Is this lobby and actually, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: influential is the proximity at the artist or the filmmaker,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a favorable moment for a voter. Like I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the biggest question for me when you think
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  Speaker 2: about this campaign, like what is effective you know, in
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  Speaker 2: campaigning in your opinion, you feel like meeting the voters,
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  Speaker 2: is it about them liking you or is it about them,
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  Speaker 2: like just being exposed to your process and understanding that
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  Speaker 2: it was deeper than just the nomination that you didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: For the part. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out exactly what gets it done,
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  Speaker 2: what gets that vote it's it.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, I think it differs every time, right, Like,
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  Speaker 4: like I was saying, like with six Feet Under, it
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  Speaker 4: was an obvious thing because it was such a phenomenon, right,
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes even for film as it pertains to the Academy, right,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes there are particular films there are just such obvious choices, right,
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  Speaker 4: because they've become phenomenons. And then there's there's sort of
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  Speaker 4: the smaller movies, right that have really good performances in it,
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  Speaker 4: And like the film that I was in, Bobby, and
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  Speaker 4: that we were sort of vying for that position. And
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  Speaker 4: then sometimes I kind of feel like, you know, there
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  Speaker 4: are some pretty big name actors in some other films,
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  Speaker 4: and they want those actors to show up, right, so
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  Speaker 4: so you know, they kind of try to make a
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  Speaker 4: place for those guys to be nominated. It's a At
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  Speaker 4: the end, what I got out of it was that
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  Speaker 4: it was just this huge balancing act of all of
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  Speaker 4: it you know, of of popularity of merit of and painting, which,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, costs so much money.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Like, yeah, I know, how do those little movies
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  Speaker 1: do it? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like if you probably get a distributor on the Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think a distributor that gets one
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  Speaker 2: of those independent films that you know were made by
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  Speaker 2: two million dollars and top investors another nine million dollars
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  Speaker 2: in a campaign or five million dollars in a campaign
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  Speaker 2: to just ultimately get that second wave of awareness for
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  Speaker 2: the movie. Because really, the way I look at nominations
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  Speaker 2: and I look at award shows is that for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these movies that are breaking even because they
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  Speaker 2: only had four hundred screens, so they have maybe just
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  Speaker 2: six hundred screens across the United States, they didn't make
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  Speaker 2: their money back. I mean, I feel like this is
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  Speaker 2: such a crazy gamble. You're trying to get nominated because
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  Speaker 2: you know that it'll put you on a world stage
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  Speaker 2: and people could find your movie and also eventually be
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  Speaker 2: distributed on a wider air because then the secondary window
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  Speaker 2: and third window of distribution happens after you get nominated.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a good.
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  Speaker 4: Question, you know, you know, it's funny you mentioned that
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  Speaker 4: the Golden Globes just happened, right, And like, I think
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  Speaker 4: his name is Joe Egerton, the actor, right, And he
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  Speaker 4: was in a movie called Train Dreams and it was
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  Speaker 4: on Netflix, and.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the movie was fantastic. It was such a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful film.
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  Speaker 4: But it was a small film, as you were just saying, right,
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  Speaker 4: And it didn't seem like the budget was that high.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't seem like they had much of a budget for
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  Speaker 4: the p and a for the publicity and advertisement. However,
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  Speaker 4: he got nominated for a Golden Globe, and he won
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  Speaker 4: the Golden Globe, right, so it's like, oh, okay, they
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  Speaker 4: really didn't put that much money behind the campaign. But
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  Speaker 4: nevertheless his performance got found within the plethora of other performances.
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  Speaker 4: But he didn't get nominated for an Oscar. Right, He
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  Speaker 4: won the Golden Globe but didn't get nominated for the Oscar.
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  Speaker 2: And I was always such an eccentric thing, right, just like,
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  Speaker 2: if you win the Golden Globe, it doesn't nesscessarily means
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  Speaker 2: you're even going to get nominated for the Oscars.
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  Speaker 3: In his case is a perfect example.
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  Speaker 4: You know, did that have to do with maybe they
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  Speaker 4: didn't have the financing to for the campaign to you know,
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  Speaker 4: you look in variety, right, you know, for your consideration.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like that stuff costs.
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  Speaker 4: Money, man, you know, or the billboards that you see
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  Speaker 4: and on Sunset Boulevard or you know, all that stuff
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  Speaker 4: costs so much money. The same way would you know
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  Speaker 4: for like someone running for office, right you know, you
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  Speaker 4: see someone like Kamala Harris or Joe Biden whatever, You're like,
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  Speaker 4: they have one hundred million dollar war chest.
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  Speaker 1: For there they spend up a billion dollars on this campaign.
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  Speaker 4: It's the same thing, man, You know, to a smaller degree,
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  Speaker 4: brings me full circle to reflecting on some of our
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  Speaker 4: communities and some of our cultures, as you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, some of them have had the privilege, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've had the privilege of having people like you and
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  Speaker 2: others who hit that stage and actually brings quite a
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  Speaker 2: great deal of pride to see, you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: these images being considered at the same caliber as some
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  Speaker 2: of those that iconically will be known for these nominations
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  Speaker 2: and these wins. Do you feel and I think this
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  Speaker 2: is a question I guess for both of us, do
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  Speaker 2: we feel that that it has gotten better and representation now?
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  Speaker 2: And I and and that's a question with also a
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  Speaker 2: secondary statement, which is there's tons of studies that says
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  Speaker 2: we're only six percent of the roles of entertainment period, right. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't reflect on the majority of the consumer's demand,
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  Speaker 2: which happens to be a lot of Latino communities for
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  Speaker 2: the opening weekend, you know, for the same day viewership
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  Speaker 2: and extremely subscription also advertising buyers and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So when you see the power of the spending power
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  Speaker 2: and the buying power of this community and when you
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  Speaker 2: look at what gets made, it doesn't really reflect on that.
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  Speaker 2: But but based on how long we've been doing this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, roughly between thirty and forty years each one
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  Speaker 2: of us combined with almost one hundred years of damn.
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  Speaker 2: But the idea is that that do you feel that
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  Speaker 2: it has gotten better since when we started? And then
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  Speaker 2: for have you seen us on that stage, you know,
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  Speaker 2: of the award shows as well?
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  Speaker 1: What do you what do you feel?
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  Speaker 4: That's a really tricky question. You know, I feel like
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  Speaker 4: it fluctuates every year, right, right. You know, you brought
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  Speaker 4: up a really interesting point to say that our demographics
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  Speaker 4: buying power is high, right, and it continually is high
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  Speaker 4: every single year, and so perhaps the awards season should
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  Speaker 4: reflect that.
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  Speaker 3: Right. It's basically what you're you're kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Saying to a degree, right, uh, and it doesn't, right,
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  Speaker 4: and and and and so their lives the dilemma, you
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  Speaker 4: know you.
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  Speaker 2: Or even the the the the quantity of opportunity, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: that will get us a presimity to be noticed on
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  Speaker 2: one of these you know, world stages.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the quantity, right, which is which is a whole
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  Speaker 4: other conversation about you know, us getting projects out there
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  Speaker 4: and and and them being greenlit, some of them being
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  Speaker 4: convertially viable enough to do well so that the powers
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  Speaker 4: that be go, hey, it made some money. Let me
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  Speaker 4: give you some money to do another one and then
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  Speaker 4: another one after that. You know, you know you you
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  Speaker 4: you You brought up an interesting point in one of
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  Speaker 4: our conversations before about it all being sort of an ecosystem,
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  Speaker 4: right that that.
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  Speaker 3: That perhaps needs to be.
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  Speaker 4: Fine tuned maybe a little more, and perfected a little
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  Speaker 4: more in order for that ecosystem to continue to to.
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  Speaker 2: And let me follow that rabbit hole there, because I
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  Speaker 2: think the eco system is an interesting conversation.
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  Speaker 1: We're yet to really be a part of that ecosystem.
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  Speaker 2: The ecosystem has now been balanced, right, I mean they
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  Speaker 2: can you can put odd bets in Vegas about whether
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  Speaker 2: the movie is going to be number one or not.
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  Speaker 2: Now you can predict, based on level of awareness a
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  Speaker 2: week before whether the release is going to get to
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  Speaker 2: X amount of dollars, right, Like, they can predict that number.
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  Speaker 2: But what they cannot figure out is how they can
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  Speaker 2: trust that it will do good merely by saying the
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  Speaker 2: ecosystem has a healthy amount of not only representation, but
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  Speaker 2: a real thorough look at like how we consume content,
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  Speaker 2: how are we invited to the content? You know, I
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  Speaker 2: dare to say universal, that's a really great job with
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  Speaker 2: the community. You know, a lot of their movies, you know,
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  Speaker 2: which are genre, whether it's adventure, horord or action. They
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  Speaker 2: speak a language and marketing that actually says, hey, this
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  Speaker 2: is a movie.
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  Speaker 1: We're inviting you to this movie too.
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  Speaker 2: You know Most, I think Most and Furious.
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  Speaker 1: Furious Jurassic Park.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like when you look at the numbers of
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  Speaker 2: latinos that show up to those movies, you're like, WHOA,
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  Speaker 2: is it the genre or is it the marketing? When
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  Speaker 2: you think about it, you go to the neighborhoods that
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  Speaker 2: are probably you know, prominent in the Latino culture. In
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  Speaker 2: Latino culture, you you you realize there's like there's posters, there,
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  Speaker 2: there's flyers, there's like you know, a Jurassic Park, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, candy at just seventy eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you know, they're they're really.
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  Speaker 2: Infiltrating pop culture for the individuals who really trust that genre.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that most studios.
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  Speaker 2: Have really given a kind of scientific look at like
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: how do we balance or marketing strategies and then you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and then they think that it's really about just like
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: putting up are casting in front of it, right, It's
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: really about hitting the notes. It's not just the brown
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: face and uh in a beautiful character that takes you
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to an extraordinary circumstance. I think it's to me about
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: it's about you know what, you know, what notes? What boxes?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Does it check in values right in spirit and trajectory
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and story that actually are relatable to to our specific experience.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like it has to have Sasa
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: music and Marakis, right, that's now, that's not how we
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: relate to content, right, But it is about uniting us
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: all in the tones and in the boxes.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Is it the genres right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Like people are blown away when they saw Jenna Ortega,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you know, doing incredible with Wednesday.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You're like, whoa Wednesday? And you know Luis Gou's Mond.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Place, you know, the character Like it's a lot of
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: this stuff is like really interestingly, you know, subliminately successful
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and they can't explain it why, but it's like it's
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the same thing. It's like, we want to be going
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: along with an extraordinary circumstance and we want to be
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: able to be part of the part of the character
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: lineup that actually contributes to win in the day. And look,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: it gets very, very complicated, but we bring a full
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: circuit to the awards and the awards season. Do you
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: feel like you've seen an improvement on you know, on
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: on latinos and minorities as a whole being invited to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the word shows.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Improvement is a really tricky word. I don't know if
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I would say improvement, I would say that it fluctuates.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I would say that there are.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Certain years where where you do see representation that has
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: earned their position in those categories, and there's certain years
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: that it doesn't that that sometimes there are projects out
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: that you point to those projects, and you go, well,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: why was in this person?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think you have something to do with the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: inconsistency of the quantity of opportunities for certain actors to
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: be showcased?
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think I think the quantity has something
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: to do with it, right beca.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Some years, like Pedro Pascal does three movies and the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: next year he's only.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: One, right, right, Well, I think I think, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: you talk about quantity, which is an interesting conversation. You know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like if if we had more quantity, then
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: we would have more opportunities to be allowed to fail, right.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes you have to be allowed fail in
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: order to in order to learn from that failure. You know.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: It's just like in any sort of business.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Right, Like, like the more you have, the more uh
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: could be sacrificed in order for the others to do well.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Everybody gets more strikes than we do.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then so then when we do get
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: that opportunity at batman, we we have to hit a
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: home run every single time, and sometimes that's not not
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: humanly possible to do, right, you know, but that's what's
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: required of us.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think that's maybe a little unfair. Yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: what do you think.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think that's it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that we have to continue to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: work on the all the different connecting tissues that make
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Latina entertainment.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm only saying, and let me really really.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Deep down on this, double down on this is that
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the Latina entertainment is mainstream entertainment. But I only say
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Latino because it finally comes from us for the world, right, Like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: if we're creating and developing things and putting things out there,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: we've never been the entertainers of the artists that are
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, I'm the brown character, right like, we
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: never think ourselves of that specifically the two people sitting
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: in this chair, right.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: What I can say is that I think that to.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Your point, there hasn't been an opportunity to continue to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: cultivate the talent we already have because there's a lot
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of like that bottlenecking and and when when somebody wants
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to make something, there's a usual suspect shortlist that is
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: trusted with that stuff, and I don't think necessarily they
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you know, they get it to the next level. Right, So,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: so I think it's about investing in community.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So by investing in the trust in the audience.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And in order to do that is you got to
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: put more, you know, you got to put more on
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that screen that that test is you know what you've
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: already tested for decades and decades of content and with
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: other you know configurations.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: There is a short list, you know, and and and that.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Short list is always expected to to to hit a
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: home run, and and and and many many times they do.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: But sometimes there's another list of people who may not
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: always hit a home run, but they be if they
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: were given more opportunities at bat, that they would hit
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: a home run.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But you brought up an interesting point about Wednesday.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: You know, first of all, she was terrific, as she
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: always is on that show. But what I really loved
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: about what she was doing, what Louis was doing, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: just the whole construct of that show was that here
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: was the show about this family, these people, and she
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: just happened to be Latina, right, and like Louis Guzman
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: just happened.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: To be Latino.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: And I don't even think, I don't even know or
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: think if that's mentioned at all during the series, whether
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: that's important or not, right, which is a whole other conversation. Right,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Why every time like we're on screen, it's always you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: they feel that we have to sort of emphasize ethnicity.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I just feel like they were just people.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: There were people who were playing these characters who did
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: a great job at it, and they were seen as
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: America kids, right. And I think that if we had
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: more of that sort of business model on screen, I
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: think that I think that we would have more opportunities
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: to be more commercially.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Viable exactly to tell to tell the stories that that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: connect with the masses and general audiences.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I think piggybacking off of what we just said, I
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: think that's why it's so important with what you're doing,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: for example, you know, with with with your company and
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: the stuff that you're producing, because I feel like I
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: feel like the stuff that you're producing is very much
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: on track with with what we're talking about.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I feel I feel, I feel that you and I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: have been in this thing long enough to kind of
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: understand how to how to really help you know, in
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the kitchen, you know, and I think I think, uh,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to be invited to the kitchen is to kind of start,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you know, cooking up some of that solution, right, Yeah,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you know, but but I think we've both been you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: kind of part of that, you know, kind of early forefront,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you know, to do that. If I were to ask
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: myself the same question, is it getting better?
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I said improving. I will tell you that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember that we both always were the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: only Latino on the whole.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Network sometimes, right, it's no longer the case.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Right, So when you look at a network like CBS,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: there's multiple Latinos and different shows. You know, there's African Americans,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: there's Asian community, the Asian communities represented, you know, so
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: there's like it feels that there's more organic and you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in a more fruitful, you know, kind of interpretation of that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: That being said, there's not enough shows. There's not enough things.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: We're still like a very small percentage of the storytellers
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and lead characters and shows, which I think has to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: still continue to improve and evolve. I will dare to
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: say that I think the students trying to figure it out.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I think there's smart enough to know they really have
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to get to the audiences. And I think we're looking
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: at a very interesting moment of shifting of paradigm you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: look coming full circle to like, you know, most importantly the.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: You know, the marketing and how we show up for
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: We've seen more of us show up for each other's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: premieres and each other's right, you know, as social media
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: campaigns for each other's projects than before. Like you post
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: something about a movie, immediately I'm reposting it. Like right
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: back in the day, we didn't have those tools to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: be able to show up for each other.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: We have to like go to a we have to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: go to a red carpet and be like, I'm here
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: supportant ready. So now we can do that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But then also there's all the ways in which we
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: can support another and I think one another, and I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: think that we're seeing this very uplifting moment where a
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: lot of the Latinos I think are showing up for
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: each other, at least in the you know, you got
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: a thing, let's all tweet it. You know, we're getting
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: behind it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: And yeah, there's definitely that system in place now where
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: where that didn't exist before.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And look at looking with you know, bad money just
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: diding this in the in the halftime, you know, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl a while ago, they you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: they you know that the Latino world was like, yes,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: we're all in this thing together. We're all waving our flags,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: but one together.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think that's what we got
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to do in entertainment to kind of keep it pushing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there was definitely of that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Although he is Puerto Rican and a lot and a
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: lot of the show focused on very specific intricacies that
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: revolve around Puerto Rico, it was it felt very unifying,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: you know, and it was wonderful to see people of
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: other ethnicities supporting him and supporting.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And we have to translate that energy into all the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: different parts of the thing. And uh but you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but I listen, this whole episode was about making sure
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that people knew you were nominated for yeah, and that
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you were absolutely a part of That's what literally what
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: this episode was about, especially because.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You didn't Oscar campaign. So I'm just a nice guy.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you're one of our greates.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And thank you, my brother, thank you.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But either way, everyone, thank you so much for joining
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: us on our first episode of Those Amigos Season Dose,
• 28:15
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• 28:19
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• 28:21
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• 28:24
  Speaker 3: That's right, the ear third Amigo. This is Freddie Rodriguez.
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• 28:43
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• 28:51
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