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Football at Four: Assessing What the New Eagles OC Will See on Roster in 2026 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And Football at four is powered by the Inside the
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  Speaker 1: to Checko is here today. We'll get his take on
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles offensive coordinator search as that continues. A new
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  Speaker 1: name today. As we told you a little bit earlier,
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  Speaker 1: Declan Doyle. I had a roommate in college. His name
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  Speaker 1: was Declan who happened to be a Bears fan. And
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  Speaker 1: Declan Doyle is the offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: to check go and get the latest on what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with the Eagles. As he perceives it as seems
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of people passing on this job, and
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles are widening their search. That Andrew and got
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  Speaker 1: a couple of new names over the last twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 1: And let me get your takeaway on why do you
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  Speaker 1: think some of these more known names, Not that that's
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  Speaker 1: the way you have to go, but why are they
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  Speaker 1: not so attracted to this Philadelphia offensive coordator position.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a number of reasons, right, I think, first
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  Speaker 2: and foremost, you have to question the person out that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be working with. Right the offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: what's the health status is Lane Johnson coming back? Is
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  Speaker 2: aj Brown going to be a part of the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six Philadelphia Eagles. That's a pretty important piece there.
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  Speaker 2: And then if you want to play a certain style,
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  Speaker 2: if you are unsure as to the health of Cam
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  Speaker 2: Jurgen's Landon Dickerson, that's going to really affect the way
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  Speaker 2: that you're able to play offense, that you're able to
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  Speaker 2: run the offense through your vision. Then you have to
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  Speaker 2: wonder about the autonomy piece. Are they going to have
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  Speaker 2: full autonomy to run the offense through their vision. And
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  Speaker 2: I also think the market plays into it, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is an offensive coordinator and Kevin Petullo at his
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  Speaker 2: house act and I think the fact that this market
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  Speaker 2: is as passionate as it is sometimes it borders on excessive.
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  Speaker 2: And when you egg someone's house like that and you
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  Speaker 2: go toward and you need to start to skew towards abuse,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not normal behavior. And I think that
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  Speaker 2: that you know, a lot of these candidates are very
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  Speaker 2: well aware of how Kevin Patullo was treated, of how
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  Speaker 2: Brian Johnson was treated. Yes, there was two offensive coordinators
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  Speaker 2: who were appointed to head coach and they're able to
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  Speaker 2: advance their careers and Kellen Moore and Shane stike In
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  Speaker 2: and there were also two who were fired after one year.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Johnson, by the way, had a top ten offense.
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  Speaker 2: They were seventh I think in points per game a
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  Speaker 2: little over twenty five and eighth in total offense, which
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  Speaker 2: was roughly three hundred and fifty four yards per game,
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  Speaker 2: and he was ousted. So yeah, I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those things factor in, and of course there's the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback factor as well. If you're someone like a Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDaniel who runs a very distinct system. Are you going
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  Speaker 2: to be willing to acquiesce and try to tailor your
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  Speaker 2: offense around a quarterback? And I think someone like in
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  Speaker 2: this case, Justin Herbert would be much more It's much
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  Speaker 2: more of a seamless fit. And that's not to say
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  Speaker 2: that they couldn't have worked here in Philadelphia. There's no
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  Speaker 2: evidence that it would, but there's just as you can see,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons.
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  Speaker 1: There is a lot of reasons, and it seems that
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts game gets brought up. Nick Sirianni's name gets
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  Speaker 1: brought up working for the Eagles in the irrationality that
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, two guys got fired after one year. So
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  Speaker 1: it makes it a very interesting job. What do you
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  Speaker 1: make of some of the names that we're starting to hear?
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  Speaker 1: Matt Naggy, interestingly enough, he was a head coach, got
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  Speaker 1: a team that the playoffs with Mitchell Trubisky, had a
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  Speaker 1: winning record, was the coach of the year, and then
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  Speaker 1: obviously did not work out in Chicago. We lands back
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  Speaker 1: in Kansas City, you got a guy like Dabel who
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  Speaker 1: had not a good head coach.
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  Speaker 3: In New York.
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  Speaker 1: Yet people seem like they would rather Dable over a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Naggy. Then you've got guys who are a
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  Speaker 1: little lesser known. Earlier this morning, Declan Doyle thirty years old,
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  Speaker 1: not even a play caller.
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  Speaker 3: So you're starting to hear guys that are really off
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  Speaker 3: the beaten path. What are these names kind of interests
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  Speaker 3: you the most?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I like Matt Naggie. I know that's
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  Speaker 2: an unpopular choice based off of some of what I've seen,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on social media and responses to you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know a post that I made because I actually
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  Speaker 2: had a chance to talk to Matt Naggy last February
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  Speaker 2: during Super Bowl media availability, even asking him specifically about
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  Speaker 2: where he saw Jalen Hurts make the biggest advance in
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  Speaker 2: his game, and he talked about decision making. He clearly
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  Speaker 2: trusted the system his receivers doesn't turn the football over.
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  Speaker 2: I even asked him about Tick Fangio as well, and
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  Speaker 2: some of the challenges he presents to an offense. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a bright mind. He's learned under
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  Speaker 2: Andy Reid for I think thirteen seasons, and he's held
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  Speaker 2: different roles. Whether that was a quarterback coach, an offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 2: a head coach of the Bears. As you mentioned, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: he took Mitchell Trubisky to the postseason and I thought
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  Speaker 2: got the most out of him. Now, it was a
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  Speaker 2: limited sample size there, but if you're comparing him to
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  Speaker 2: let's say, Brian Dabele, well, Matt Maggie had a better
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  Speaker 2: head coach, had more success as a head coach than
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  Speaker 2: Brian Dabele, and I would argue that he also had
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  Speaker 2: more success calling plays and being part of the offense
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  Speaker 2: wherever he's gone as well. Of of course, Brian Dabele
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of success with Josh Allen, but Josh
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  Speaker 2: Allen and the Bills the beat went on when he left.
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  Speaker 2: So how much of that was Josh Allen being able
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  Speaker 2: to elevate the offense and how much of it was
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  Speaker 2: Brian Dabele is obviously up for debate. But I think
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  Speaker 2: Matt Maggie's an interesting one and someone who I believe
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  Speaker 2: will do a nice job working with Jalen Hurts and
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  Speaker 2: compatible in the sense that he's just coming from such
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  Speaker 2: a diverse background of different voices and coaches that he's
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  Speaker 2: learned from over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Talking with Andrew to checko football at four and obviously
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  Speaker 1: you know we're going into you know, we're getting into
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  Speaker 1: right around the area. I remember Nick Sirianni was hired
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  Speaker 1: on January twenty fourth. That was my birthday, So I
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  Speaker 1: do remember that January twenty fourth, twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: That will be this weekend. Do they have to rush this?
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  Speaker 3: Do they have to hurry?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they're still hanging around, I mean, does
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  Speaker 1: that say maybe they like somebody that's in this games
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  Speaker 1: this weekend or do they not feel an urgency that
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  Speaker 1: they have to hire someone today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they're more so trying to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that they're making their right pick and not rushing into
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  Speaker 2: a decision. Now Mike McDaniel is no longer on a possibility,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Daboll is not going to be a possibility, and
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  Speaker 2: Zach Robinson is no longer going to be a possibility.
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  Speaker 2: And those were all coaches that the Eagles at least
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  Speaker 2: expressed interest in. And so you could look at it
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  Speaker 2: and say the field is shrinking, But I don't get
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  Speaker 2: the sense that there's this urgency where they have to
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  Speaker 2: rush somebody into this role. They're casting a wide net
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  Speaker 2: and I think a lot of that is useful, even
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  Speaker 2: if there's some coaches so you have no intention of
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  Speaker 2: hiring more so that you're trying to gather information and
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  Speaker 2: maybe keep tabs on them in the future for different opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the Bears offensive coordinator Declan Doyle. He's twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine years old and he's never called plays before. That
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  Speaker 2: was Ben Johnson running the show there. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at it through the lens of well, the first
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  Speaker 2: the last two play callers that the Eagles have promoted
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  Speaker 2: were first time play callers with no experience there, Well,
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  Speaker 2: how would this be any different? Of course, Doyle has
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  Speaker 2: a background in learning from Sean Payton, but I have
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  Speaker 2: a feeling that come Week four and there's the acclamation period,
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  Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of fans that are
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  Speaker 2: complaining about him too. How could they hire a first
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  Speaker 2: time play caller and all that. So, Yeah, that's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of my thoughts as this process continues.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they obviously lost out on Zach Robinson. He
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  Speaker 3: is now in Tampa.
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  Speaker 1: You've got obviously, I don't know that there's a favorite
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  Speaker 1: in the clubhouse out there. I don't know that there's
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's like, man, that's the obvious fit. He
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  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But you talked to Marty
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  Speaker 1: Mortiwig for a piece over at Inside the Birds Andrew
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  Speaker 1: and what does he have to say about Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: and maybe what the perception could be for him of
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  Speaker 1: him for these coordinators.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you mentioning that you can grab that
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  Speaker 2: on Inside the Birds the podcast and then the videos
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube. It's a two parter. Marty loves Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: and he was very instrumental in helping the Eagles draft
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. He scouted him, he presented a lot of
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  Speaker 2: information to the coaching staff. Senior consultant was elusively to
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  Speaker 2: work with Jalen Hurts and get him ready in the
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  Speaker 2: event that Carson Wentz Wentz got banged up or whatever
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  Speaker 2: it was, and he just lauded Hurts for his work ethic.
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  Speaker 2: He said he'd be in the building until midnight and
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  Speaker 2: said sleep his secondary and he said it was about
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  Speaker 2: the third day. Because I asked him, I said, you've
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  Speaker 2: worked with the likes of Steve Young, Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb,
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  Speaker 2: all these different coaches, all these different quarterbacks and what
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  Speaker 2: is it about a certain like what are you able
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  Speaker 2: to tell or what are you looking for in a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback that suggests to you that they have what it takes.
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  Speaker 2: And he said it was about the third day of
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  Speaker 2: training camp where he recognized that with Hurts and said
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  Speaker 2: that he keeps advancing his game and he just he
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  Speaker 2: was very He offered glowing endorsements for Jayalen Hurts. So
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  Speaker 2: if you want to hear the backstory in his role
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  Speaker 2: in developing Jalen Hurts, I highly encourage everybody check that out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, check that out over at the inside the Birds platforms,
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  Speaker 1: and of course is with us you're taking a look
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  Speaker 1: at everything, you know Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, Chris Long had.
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  Speaker 1: Said on the Rich Eisen Show the other day that
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  Speaker 1: he would like to see a West Coast offense and
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  Speaker 1: that basically hold hurts his feet to the fire here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you can't run it, then too bad.
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  Speaker 1: That would you like to see them completely scrap this
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  Speaker 1: and go to something completely foreign to him? Is that
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  Speaker 1: a way that you would like to see them go here?
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  Speaker 3: Moving forward?
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  Speaker 2: Because that was just having a conversation with Jeff Mosher
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days ago about this. For me, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I think it would be necessary to totally scrap it
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  Speaker 2: and try to rebuild this and reimagine this offense because
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  Speaker 2: clearly the NFL has has caught up to the way
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles want to play football. What do you think
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  Speaker 2: there are other teams did in the offseason after the
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  Speaker 2: Eaglish won the Super Bowl? How can they stop this offense?
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  Speaker 2: And how can we make the eaglishs one dimension on
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  Speaker 2: make them uncomfortable? You saw them be able to do
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  Speaker 2: that too great seasons, So I tend to agree. Said
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  Speaker 2: it was Chris Long who said this.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, he was on the Rich Eigen Show on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. But realistically, if you're
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  Speaker 2: in a win now mode and there's urgency to continue
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  Speaker 2: this this and keep this window open, I think probably
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  Speaker 2: best case scenario is you're marrying the offensive codinator and
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  Speaker 2: his concepts and principles with some of the things that
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles do well and trying to find an ideal
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  Speaker 2: blend for that. But if it were me, I would,
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  Speaker 2: you know, rip out the foundation and try to re
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  Speaker 2: establish a new one. And that is becoming more West
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  Speaker 2: Coast based, timing based, middle of the Field throws a
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  Speaker 2: more rhythmic style offense, and you know those are things
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  Speaker 2: that you know Hurts that will do whatever it takes
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  Speaker 2: when so you have to push through those those challenges
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  Speaker 2: and potential growing pains that could accompany that. For the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles to ultimately grow and evolve as an offense, I
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  Speaker 2: think something drastic has to happen and a new system
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  Speaker 2: needs to be in place. But that's just my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think a lot of people kind of
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  Speaker 1: agree with you. But then there is the whole notion
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  Speaker 1: of that at they have kind of scaled this offense
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  Speaker 1: back to fit Jalen Hurts strength, So you kind of
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  Speaker 1: have a you know, I can understand where candidates are
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  Speaker 1: kind of confused on what this offense might be. They
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  Speaker 1: have to figure out is Aj Brown gonna be here?
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  Speaker 1: What's Lane Johnson's future? Do I have to call Nick
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  Speaker 1: Sirianni's plays or can I call my own?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of reporting has been Andrew that you know
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  Speaker 1: you'll get autonomy here, and what does that mean to
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  Speaker 1: the offensive play caller with Jalen Hurts? Does Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: want to run the stuff that I bring in here?
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  Speaker 1: So I guess you can see why this is a
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  Speaker 1: very perplexing situation for a newcomer. Or do you not
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  Speaker 1: see that and say, hey, I take this job one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent right off the bat if it's offered to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of questions
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  Speaker 2: that have to be asked. But it's a high profile
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  Speaker 2: organization that have an owner who's going to do whatever
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  Speaker 2: it takes to continue this winning trend. But that's not
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  Speaker 2: to say that you're you're not going into it with
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  Speaker 2: some questions. And we talked about the offensive line that's
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  Speaker 2: the star of the show for the offense and if
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  Speaker 2: they're not able to if there's there's health concerns, well
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have a really tough time playing the style
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  Speaker 2: of the Eagles want to play. And I think if
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  Speaker 2: you're the OC you're you're telling Jalen Hurt, this is
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  Speaker 2: what we're doing, this is what we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: because we have to move away a little bit from
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  Speaker 2: some of the previous ways and iteration of the offense.
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  Speaker 2: And the offense was was structured through the eyes of
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  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni to tailor to the strength of his quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously there's your your wing. You're taking into consideration
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  Speaker 2: what he likes to do route so that he likes
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  Speaker 2: to see run and and all that. But I think
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  Speaker 2: the next offensive coordinator, in order to really head this
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  Speaker 2: thing in the right direction, they need to be able
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  Speaker 2: to to take full control and have their fingerprints on
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  Speaker 2: the offense. And if that means being comfortable being uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: for the quarterback or for whomever, I think that's necessary.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Jalen Hurst deserves a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: credit here because everybody assumes he can can't do this
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  Speaker 2: or you can't do that. Well, this would be the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to really be able to have something to base
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  Speaker 2: that off of and trying something different, implementing it and
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  Speaker 2: then same where it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cliff Kingsbury, no interview up to this point here.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Weis Junior, heard his name, Bobby Slowick. I guess
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  Speaker 1: whoever else is out there. We'll see what ends up
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  Speaker 1: happening here. But obviously there are other candidates outside of
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  Speaker 1: the ones that have been already connected to the team.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see where this goes. Before we get you out
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  Speaker 1: of here. We were talking earlier this week with Jeff
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  Speaker 1: and Andrew about excuse me, an Adam about the defense
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  Speaker 1: and what this defense might look like moving forward, and
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  Speaker 1: we come to the conclusion that they got some questions
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  Speaker 1: on this to you, as much as they need the
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  Speaker 1: coordinator and this offense needs to get jump started. They
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  Speaker 1: got to figure out you bring Jalen Phillips back, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on with na Kobe Dean, you got to get
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  Speaker 1: a corner opposite Quinian Mitchell. You've got to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing at the safety spot here. Defense is
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  Speaker 1: also got to be looked at this offseason, correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, the pendrome is going to be swinging here, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: because there's so much money invested in the offense and
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  Speaker 2: now the Eagles are going to have to make some
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  Speaker 2: tough decisions defensively and start allocating a lot of their
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  Speaker 2: resources into that side of the ball. That's signing Cooper
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  Speaker 2: de Gene, Quinnon, Mitchell, potentially Jalen Phillips, Jalen Carter of course,
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  Speaker 2: and Jalen Carter, by the way, didn't they well in
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  Speaker 2: the postseason game. I think there's some concern there about
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  Speaker 2: the shoulder, the shoulders, I should say, and I'll be
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  Speaker 2: keeping an eye on seeing if he's going to revisit it,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, when he returned he said that he
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  Speaker 2: believes that that's something he's going to have to revisit
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  Speaker 2: in the offseason. That's a pretty considerable piece there. But
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  Speaker 2: I think the edge rusher group, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: Eagles are going to feel comfortable going into a season
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  Speaker 2: again with jaylex Han and Nolan Smith as their top
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  Speaker 2: two edge rusher. Jalen Phillips, I should say, did a
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  Speaker 2: really nice job and the sack numbers may not reflect it,
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  Speaker 2: but pressure off the edge pretty consistently setting the edge
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  Speaker 2: with authority and violence and just complimenting what the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: already had there. He gives you a player who can
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  Speaker 2: handle that volume of snaps and allows someone like a
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  Speaker 2: Nolan Smith to maybe become that third age rusher. That's
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  Speaker 2: really important. And then you mentioned to Kobe Dean, it's
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  Speaker 2: a luxury to have three starting caliber off ball linebackers,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a necessity. And the whole thought process of
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  Speaker 2: drafting jahat Campbell is that he would eventually be able
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  Speaker 2: to undertake a role as a starter opposite Zach Baughn.
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  Speaker 2: So I would have to imagine Mike that that would
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  Speaker 2: be the direction that they had there.
• 16:33
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• 16:35
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• 16:38
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• 16:41
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• 16:43
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  Speaker 3: All right, Andrew, appreciate it as always.
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  Speaker 2: Pal, You got it, Mike, have a good weekend.
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  Speaker 3: There's Andrew. Everybody