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Almost Famous OG: A Golden First Date with Deanna Pappas Part 2 · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody welcomes.
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Speaker 3: This is Bob Guiney and joining me today. Of course
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Speaker 3: my beautiful co host, Trista Cutter.
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Speaker 1: I always say that.
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Speaker 4: I'm good and I'm so excited. Wait what I missed it? Okay, sorry,
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Speaker 4: I love that you always say that, but may Ren Park.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, I just wanted I'm so excited to.
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Speaker 4: Welcome Gianna back to Almost Famous o GS we get
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Speaker 4: to have another chat with her. You've been our most
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Speaker 4: frequent guest.
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Speaker 1: Actually, I think so flattered. I know, I mean, well,
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've been trying to line this up
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Speaker 1: for some time because every time I do come on,
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Speaker 1: Bob is unavailable, or he's traveling the world when he's
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Speaker 1: heading to New York to film something so or he's
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Speaker 1: like going from hotel to cabs so he can't quite
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Speaker 1: school us in. So this is totally.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you here, very glad to have you.
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Speaker 2: Now for people joining us.
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Speaker 3: Our first most recent episode with Deanna was the Mental Recap,
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Speaker 3: and Deanna and Desire were the guests of honor with
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Speaker 3: Charity for that one, So make sure you tune in
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Speaker 3: to hear about that, because that was pretty awesome.
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Speaker 2: But this one, Christ So.
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Speaker 3: We're getting a little We're getting a little twist.
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Speaker 2: He here, We're going a little twist here, aren't. We're
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Speaker 2: taking us a little different direction. Yeah, so has today Deanna.
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Speaker 1: Very yes questions are you ready?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 4: So mente all we were back behind behind the scenes,
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Speaker 4: you know, chatting with a lot of the executives, and
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Speaker 4: like you said in the episode about the mental all,
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Speaker 4: you were like pitching Milsy about doing a vow renewal
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Speaker 4: for me and Ryan for our twentieth and all these
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Speaker 4: different things. And I know that part of the pitching was, hey,
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Speaker 4: you know, I could be the next bachelorette.
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Speaker 1: Nude nudge cocktails. In my defense, I had had a
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Speaker 1: few cocktails in between all of our girl time backstage, Bob,
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Speaker 1: they were allowing us to have a few adult beverages,
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Speaker 1: so I was allowing us. Yeah, I was feeling no
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Speaker 1: pain as I was pitching my life story to everyone.
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Speaker 4: I mean I was doing the same thing with the
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Speaker 4: vour Nole. I was like and I pitched the pickleball
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Speaker 4: and they actually listened and I got to go do
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Speaker 4: a pickleball.
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Speaker 1: Date with Gary.
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Speaker 4: So anyway, the reason we wanted to chat today is
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Speaker 4: because we have it on good authority. We have a
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Speaker 4: source that has told us that you have had some
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Speaker 4: meetings with ABC and.
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Speaker 1: No, let me stop you here. I have not had
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Speaker 1: any meetings with anyone. I literally left set a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago and I'm not heard from anyone since. Okay, we.
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Speaker 2: Have heard that they're taking it.
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Speaker 1: It is so funny, though you look at I was
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Speaker 1: partially joking because forty one, I have a very different
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Speaker 1: I have a career, like I can't just take eight
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Speaker 1: weeks off of board. I have a job. I have
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Speaker 1: to pay for rent. I've got to do it. Got
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Speaker 1: children that I need to care for and love and
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Speaker 1: raise into good humans, you know what I mean. But
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Speaker 1: there was a POT that was being pretty serious about
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Speaker 1: it because they brought back that Brad Womack. They brought
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Speaker 1: back Nick viol three times, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So they do this a lot where they bring back
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Speaker 1: these men, but they've never done it with a woman before.
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Speaker 1: Now they brought Claire. They brought Claire back once, right, Yeah, Now,
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Speaker 1: I will say, no offense, Bob. But the success rate
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Speaker 1: on the COT a little bit better than the Bachelor
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Speaker 1: so I realize it is likely harder to bring the
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette back because most of them are still married and
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Speaker 1: doing really well. Right, But I think it is the
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Speaker 1: thing that I don't quite understand. And you guys will
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Speaker 1: know this because you've been on the show before. They
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Speaker 1: have this built in fan base that they they really
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Speaker 1: don't utilize and tap into. Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: They don't about a billion shows that run through my
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Speaker 1: mind where I'm like, they really could have something here,
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Speaker 1: Like why is there not like a Housewives of the
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette or or you know, the parent Trap of the Bachelorette.
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Speaker 1: Like there's a billion shows that I run through and
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Speaker 1: don't steal my ideas. I've pitched him a time or two.
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Speaker 1: I really think that there is this there's this entity
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Speaker 1: that they really should tap into. They did a really
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Speaker 1: great job with Bachelor Pad. They really did a good
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Speaker 1: job with Bachelor and Paradise. I enjoyed that, but I
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Speaker 1: don't want a paradise. I'm not your girl that needs
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Speaker 1: to be frolicking around in a tiny bikini. I'm forty
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Speaker 1: one and I'm past that, and I like my curves,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not trying to compete with those young girls.
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Speaker 1: I will never look the same after breastfeeding two children.
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Speaker 4: So yep, mine either, I wish is why I had
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Speaker 4: to fix.
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Speaker 2: You feel me?
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Speaker 1: Like there is this whole concept, you know, surrounding the
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Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise that they have done themselves a disservice that
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Speaker 1: they don't tap into. There really is a billion ideas
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Speaker 1: for spin off shows that they could just make a
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Speaker 1: lot of money off of to be honest.
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, especially with the strike going
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Speaker 4: on right now, Like there's so many options for reality
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Speaker 4: television where scripted is you know, not able to do anything.
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Speaker 4: So I totally agree with you. Now if it worked
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Speaker 4: out you just said, like I can't take eight weeks
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Speaker 4: away from my job. Is there is there a chance
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Speaker 4: that you would?
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Speaker 1: There always of me that will toy around with the
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Speaker 1: idea of ever doing You know, for the longest time,
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Speaker 1: I said I would never do it again, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. But I when I came off of
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Speaker 1: The Bachelor with Brad, you know, I know I said
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Speaker 1: this in the previous episode, but like, why wasn't I
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Speaker 1: given therapy? Like I needed therapy after that? Because you
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Speaker 1: talk about like trauma on the most basic level, I
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Speaker 1: was rejected and abandoned by the person that I trusted
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Speaker 1: most in that process on National Talent, Like I should
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Speaker 1: have been in therapy and they should have provided that
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Speaker 1: for me. Now, once I came off of the Bachelorette,
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Speaker 1: like I had a great well, it didn't make good
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Speaker 1: choices apparently, But even the breakup from that really did
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Speaker 1: a number on me because it wasn't that a relationship
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Speaker 1: just ended. And I'm pretty good at grieving those things
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Speaker 1: when they happened, but it's this guy ran my name
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Speaker 1: into the ground and went on television crying like he
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Speaker 1: didn't know that it was happening. But you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not for me to take on. That
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Speaker 1: was his manipulative behavior that I allowed. But they're just
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Speaker 1: for a long time, I didn't want to ever go
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Speaker 1: back on the show. It was not always this really
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Speaker 1: great experience for me, Like I had this really painted
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Speaker 1: view of what my time on the Bachelorette was. But
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Speaker 1: I also look back at that girl and even I
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Speaker 1: was really strong back then, I'm a different human being now,
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Speaker 1: Like if anything that the last couple of years have
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Speaker 1: taught me is that I've always been really strong but
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Speaker 1: I'm fucking resilient. I am resilient and not more now
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Speaker 1: than when I did when I was twenty six and
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Speaker 1: I was the bachelorette. That like who I am, and
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Speaker 1: I'll never let another person in my life take that
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Speaker 1: from me or make me feel less than or not worthy.
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Speaker 1: I've loved and accepted for who I truly am at
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Speaker 1: my core. Somebody out there is going to do that,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had a really wonderful
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Speaker 1: twelve years with Stephen, and we have two beautiful children.
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Speaker 1: But I don't see this as the end of my story.
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Speaker 1: It's not for sure.
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Speaker 2: The way.
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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you this, I can speak from experience
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Speaker 3: on this one for real. You know, get divorce worse
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Speaker 3: after being on the Bachelor, you know, became one these
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Speaker 3: things that was like I just felt like the biggest
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Speaker 3: There was a period where I was just like, I
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Speaker 3: must be just the biggest loser in the world and
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Speaker 3: I can't sing together run. Then you realize, now you're
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Speaker 3: just with the wrong person for who you are, right
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Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, now it's
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Speaker 3: just about you thinking about where you want to go
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Speaker 3: from here, which is you know, obviously your families. First,
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Speaker 3: we know that, but like you said, you're very different
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Speaker 3: from when you were twenty six, and what if you
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Speaker 3: were the bachel arette Like.
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Speaker 2: Let's let's just let's just kick this camera out a
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Speaker 2: little bit, you know.
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Speaker 3: Let's just say let's just talk about like you know,
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Speaker 3: because I think one of the things that I know
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Speaker 3: for sure is you'd be able to walk in there,
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Speaker 3: and from a format perspective, I'm sure you'd be in
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Speaker 3: the driver's seat. So like you know, heys, I've done that.
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Speaker 1: I'm relatively attractive.
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Speaker 3: Come on, Bob, I'd say, I'd say more so, more
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Speaker 3: so than relatively.
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Speaker 2: I think you could walk in.
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Speaker 3: I know you're going to command you know, this is
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Speaker 3: a soare a gentleman? Like would you say to them?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm this is I'm just putting it out there.
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Speaker 3: I want this age range of guys like this is.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm willing to work within this ballpark. Or
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Speaker 3: I want to get to the Fantasy Seeks faster. Instead
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Speaker 3: of doing three, I want to do six. I'm just
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Speaker 3: hearing this long.
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Speaker 4: But but but can I add to that question? Because
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Speaker 4: when we were hanging out before we went out to Mentell,
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Speaker 4: all we were saying this. We were like, there needs
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Speaker 4: to be not a golden bachelor because they're like, you know,
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Speaker 4: in their seventies. But what did you call it? A
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Speaker 4: like mid life or what did we call it?
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Speaker 1: I said, there needs to be a midlife crisis bachelorette
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Speaker 1: who doesn't need anyone's money, who's not looking to get
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Speaker 1: married again. I don't want any more children. I'm just
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Speaker 1: a really great time. It sounds like really to a
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Speaker 1: four nightstand, but that's not what I'm looking for.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but would you would you if you
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Speaker 4: if you were just playing conto like hypotheticals here, if
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Speaker 4: you did the bachelorette? Would did you consider getting married again?
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Speaker 1: Ooh M? You know what, I don't think that I
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Speaker 1: am in the right headspace for that to be married
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Speaker 1: again again. Steve and I, you know, we separated a
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Speaker 1: year ago and we had a few rough years. Like Bob,
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Speaker 1: I realized, Tristan and I are super close. So everything
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Speaker 1: that I'm saying she has heard twice over. But we've
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Speaker 1: had a really we had a really difficult few years.
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Speaker 1: And I like what you said, Bob, And again I
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Speaker 1: appreciate that you have been where I am at currently
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Speaker 1: because I've done a lot of just soul searching and
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Speaker 1: I'm still me and I'm finding me again, but I'm
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Speaker 1: a new met at the same time, meaning I don't
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Speaker 1: at all regret my time with Stephen, and I look
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Speaker 1: back to our wedding day and I still think that
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Speaker 1: like that was one of the best days of my
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Speaker 1: entire life. Like early on there were there was this
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Speaker 1: piece of that And you've seen it, stun Bob, you've
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Speaker 1: been around us. You've seen it too, that we loved
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Speaker 1: your children very much.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very much, very much.
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Speaker 1: We loved and respected each other enough to bring two
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Speaker 1: innocent human beings into this world to love and to
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Speaker 1: cherish and raise to be good humans hopefully so. But
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Speaker 1: I like what you said, Bob, that it doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: that you have to hate each other, but you can
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Speaker 1: be two people who are simply not compatible for each other.
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Speaker 1: And I will never ever. I didn't do it when
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Speaker 1: I was twenty six. I'm a nobs kind of girl, don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't deal with bullshit. I don't I have a
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Speaker 1: radar for it. I don't deal with liars. I don't
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Speaker 1: do well with betrayal, and I have a no bs
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Speaker 1: radar for it. I am a come as you are,
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Speaker 1: this is what you get kind of person and I
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Speaker 1: always was like that, but I feel that more now
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Speaker 1: than ever because I don't know if I will ever
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Speaker 1: get married again. I joke around to all of my
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Speaker 1: friends and say I never want to get married again
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Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what divorce is. It's awful. And Bob,
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Speaker 1: you know this is it is all. It is awful.
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Speaker 1: I have literally survived the most difficult few years of
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Speaker 1: my entire life, you know, and we're talking about abandonment
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Speaker 1: issues on an anxious attachment. I've learned a lot about
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Speaker 1: myself through thousands of dollars of therapy, but my whole
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Speaker 1: point was that I wanted to ride every wave of grief.
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Speaker 1: And if you've never seen the grief cycle, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of waves, and you can write them multiple times
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Speaker 1: a day, and I have. I've written them until I
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Speaker 1: can't straight, and I've cried more tears than I have
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Speaker 1: ever felt. And you know, I'm really thankful for my
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Speaker 1: group of people who literally carried me on days that
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Speaker 1: I couldn't carry myself. But I say that so that
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Speaker 1: everyone knows that I have come out of this, this
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Speaker 1: new woman. There is this new version of me and Bob,
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Speaker 1: because you have been through divorce, you understand this that
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Speaker 1: when it all started to happen, you keep all of
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Speaker 1: that stuff close to chess because I felt and I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you felt the same way, Bob, but
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Speaker 1: I felt so much shame surrounding and I felt like
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Speaker 1: such a failure that I wanted this marriage to work
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Speaker 1: so bad. I wanted Stephen to love me and choose me.
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Speaker 1: And it's not his fault that he can't. He's just
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Speaker 1: not the right person to do so. And I believe
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Speaker 1: that there has to be someone else out there that
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Speaker 1: will eventually be able to do that. But that means
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Speaker 1: that I get to come as myself in my hole
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Speaker 1: and I will never live in a place where like
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Speaker 1: my vulnerability is used against me and I am made
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Speaker 1: to feel less than or not worthy of someone's real love.
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Speaker 1: So so a long story short, Trista, I really don't
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Speaker 1: know if I ever have the desire to get married again,
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Speaker 1: because I I don't know that I need that piece
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Speaker 1: of paper for companionship. I hire companionship. And I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what being single for a year and finding yourself
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Speaker 1: again it is some really you know there are some
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Speaker 1: lonely spaces, and that there's some really lonely spaces. You
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Speaker 1: have to get really comfortable in yourself and in your
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Speaker 1: pain and in your process and in your joy too.
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Speaker 1: I live on my own now, and I'm telling you
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Speaker 1: there are some nights I will drink two glasses of wine,
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Speaker 1: dance around naked in my living room and it is
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Speaker 1: so I love it.
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Speaker 3: You know what.
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Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot that you got to read
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Speaker 1: in between, but a lot of places where I'm finding
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Speaker 1: to just be joyful in me and be joyful in
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Speaker 1: my own space of who I am and what I
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Speaker 1: desire in the world. And so I would say what
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Speaker 1: I desire is to be truly and deeply loved by
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Speaker 1: someone like I like companionship. I feel a deep desire
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Speaker 1: to be genuinely accepted by a man and to be
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Speaker 1: appreciated and to have someone that is willing to walk
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Speaker 1: through the really hard stuff. I am a very imperfect
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Speaker 1: human being, and I have my things. I am a
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Speaker 1: very bold personality, and I am loud and I am kind,
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Speaker 1: but I'm also like I don't take any bullshit, and
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Speaker 1: I have I'm saying this is what I want, which
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Speaker 1: is why I don't date, because I don't want to
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Speaker 1: play the games. I'm like, oh, it's been an hour.
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Speaker 1: Can I text him back yet? Like I don't want
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Speaker 1: any of that. That's not time for that, you know why,
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Speaker 1: because I'm being alone. So yeah, I desire companionship and
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Speaker 1: I desire to be fully loved and holy for who
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Speaker 1: I am. But I don't know that I ever need
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Speaker 1: that sheet of paper ever again, because I am a
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Speaker 1: loyal human being, and if I choose to be with someone,
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Speaker 1: spend my life with someone, I am one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: committed in that way. So yeah, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: say never. Everybody keeps saying that to me, all my
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Speaker 1: dwarf friends. They're like, don't ever say never. You're totally
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Speaker 1: getting married again. You're young. Yeah, like maybe maybe, Well
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Speaker 1: I got when I got.
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Speaker 2: To I said the same thing.
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Speaker 1: I said, Yeah, maybe it's just the trauma, and it's trauma.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little proud right now to say that
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Speaker 1: I'm into another marriage, you know what I mean, because
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Speaker 1: I just you know, divorce is awful, trista, like splitting
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Speaker 1: up your things, sharing up your children, you know, I.
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Speaker 4: Mean, even even your family like your your closest friends,
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Speaker 4: the people that you hung out with, you know, friendships.
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Speaker 1: You lose a family I loved and still do to
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Speaker 1: this day, Stephen's family, and I still have a really
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Speaker 1: wonderful relationship with his little sister and her husband, and
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Speaker 1: my nephews and my mother in law, like that will
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Speaker 1: always be there and I love them deep to my core.
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Speaker 1: But there is this whole. It's not just separating from
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Speaker 1: one person in a marriage and also the idea of
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Speaker 1: what you thought the rest of your life was going
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Speaker 1: to be like, but there is also this separation of
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Speaker 1: this whole other people that you truly love. You lose friendships,
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Speaker 1: you lose, you lose family, you lose mother and father
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Speaker 1: in laws, you lose that closeness. It sucks not going
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Speaker 1: to family dinner Sunday night, Like I have to keep
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Speaker 1: myself on Sunday nights because we've done it for the
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Speaker 1: past eleven and a half years and to know I'm
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Speaker 1: not included anymore, Like sometimes that still stings totally.
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Speaker 4: And are the kids with him for the family dinners?
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Speaker 4: So you're always alone on something? No, not at all, No, no, no, no.
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Speaker 4: We have a parenting plan.
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Speaker 1: The kids go back and forth, and you know that
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Speaker 1: New Sundays were really hard. You know when Addison came
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Speaker 1: to me and said, like, why aren't you allowed to
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Speaker 1: come to family dinner anymore? Those are hard because you
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Speaker 1: guys my role and again, Steve and are trying to
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Speaker 1: be really wonderful co parents for the sake of our kids.
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Speaker 1: And I'm a product to y'all. My parents did not
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Speaker 1: do it with good guidelines. I'll promise you that. So
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Speaker 1: I am trying really hard every day to know that, Like,
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Speaker 1: my children are innocent in this, and what they need
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Speaker 1: to have at the end of the day is a
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Speaker 1: wonderful relationship with their father and a wonderful relationship with
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Speaker 1: their mother, and they are deserving of that, and I
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Speaker 1: want that for my kids. So we're pretty good. Steve
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Speaker 1: and I are pretty good about sharing our kids. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a flight attendant. I travel for work.
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Speaker 1: This is what I do. We're really good about working
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Speaker 1: that out and making sure we each get ample amount
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Speaker 1: of time with the kids. And you know, our end
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Speaker 1: goal is to come up on holidays and birthdays. We
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Speaker 1: would really like to like each other a decent amount
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Speaker 1: and of continue it's important.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.
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Speaker 4: I do want to say at Mental Hall when you
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Speaker 4: and watching back, you know, obviously we were there in person,
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Speaker 4: and then watching it back on television. I cringed both times.
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Speaker 4: So you mentioned, you know that you're I'm cringing because
18:19
Speaker 4: of something I did, not because of something you said.
18:21
Speaker 1: I was like, you're like, oh, what happened. I'm totally
18:24
Speaker 1: not going to stick my foot in my mouth, tursta,
18:26
Speaker 1: so please tell me.
18:28
Speaker 4: No. No, I was like, oh, maybe I should specify anyway.
18:31
Speaker 4: So you said, you know I am single, and literally
18:37
Speaker 4: I watch it back because I was like, like, I
18:39
Speaker 4: yelled so loud, and I was like, oh gosh, that
18:42
Speaker 4: was really rude and disrespectful, because No, I didn't want
18:47
Speaker 4: you to ever break up and have to go through
18:49
Speaker 4: all this trauma. But I was kind of like in
18:52
Speaker 4: that moment, we had been talking about it, you know,
18:54
Speaker 4: getting you on you know, the Bachelorette and whatever, and
18:57
Speaker 4: I was like, yes, let's get her man. If she
18:59
Speaker 4: wants it's a man. I want her to have a man.
19:01
Speaker 4: If she doesn't want to have a man, she doesn't
19:03
Speaker 4: need a man. But I was like, I was trying
19:05
Speaker 4: to be supportive in that moment, and you don't have.
19:08
Speaker 1: To apologize for that. This is the whole point of
19:10
Speaker 1: having really great friends, is that they're meant to cheer
19:13
Speaker 1: you on every step of the way, and like that
19:14
Speaker 1: makes me feel. And what wasn't shown, Bob, is that
19:17
Speaker 1: you know, again, we've told you a thousand times that
19:19
Speaker 1: we hung out all day and talked, but we also
19:20
Speaker 1: do a late night dinner just the three of us.
19:22
Speaker 1: And I say this all the time that like, I mean,
19:25
Speaker 1: I love all of the women, but I'm obviously closer
19:27
Speaker 1: to you know, a few of the women because maybe
19:30
Speaker 1: we're in the same life phase or or we just
19:32
Speaker 1: get each other, you know what I mean. And I say,
19:34
Speaker 1: all of my girlfriends were like, well, how was it?
19:35
Speaker 1: And I was like, the piece that I took away
19:37
Speaker 1: and that I loved so much was getting to spend
19:39
Speaker 1: so much time with Tristan Desiree, because they are two
19:41
Speaker 1: of the women that I love so deeply and have
19:44
Speaker 1: no problem saying that I have a genuine friendship with
19:47
Speaker 1: the two of them. And they both just let me
19:50
Speaker 1: speak so freely, you know, and things that I will
19:53
Speaker 1: never say out loud or on a podcast for that matter,
19:55
Speaker 1: but they just allowed me to speak so freely and
19:59
Speaker 1: in a safe space and share my heart and my
20:01
Speaker 1: struggles and what I've walked through in the last few years.
20:03
Speaker 1: And there is just so much beauty in a friendship
20:05
Speaker 1: like that. So I don't think you need to apologize,
20:07
Speaker 1: trist I would hope nothing more than you would be
20:08
Speaker 1: cheering me on every step of the way, you know.
20:10
Speaker 4: But I'm like, oh gosh, I don't want people to
20:13
Speaker 4: be like, Wow, she's really excited.
20:15
Speaker 1: That she's single. Friend, go ahead, send them, send him
20:19
Speaker 1: my way, go ahead.
20:23
Speaker 2: I get that.
20:24
Speaker 3: I mean you're you're probably want to look like you're like, oh, yeah,
20:27
Speaker 3: she's the boris.
20:30
Speaker 1: She loves Steven too, you know what I mean, Like,
20:32
Speaker 1: I know, there's nothing bad to say about Steven. So
20:35
Speaker 1: there's also that piece too, where you're like, you likely
20:37
Speaker 1: don't want to look like you're insulting him in any way,
20:38
Speaker 1: And I don't think you are not he would take
20:41
Speaker 1: it that way. I just think that you're a great cheerleader, Trista,
20:44
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful to have you in my corner.
20:46
Speaker 4: Oh you're sweet. So I shared this story recently. There's
21:00
Speaker 4: an organization called First Descent. It's a charity that we
21:03
Speaker 4: helped support, and Ryan was really involved in them, like
21:07
Speaker 4: ten years ago, and we went to their camp. So
21:10
Speaker 4: they're like, they put on these adventure camps for young
21:14
Speaker 4: adults with cancer and they give nicknames to every single
21:18
Speaker 4: person who either works on at the camps or donates
21:24
Speaker 4: or is part of the camps. And so the very
21:27
Speaker 4: first time I went, they were like, okay, what's your nickname?
21:30
Speaker 4: And it's me and you know, maybe a handful of
21:33
Speaker 4: other people around me. And I was like, well, what's
21:36
Speaker 4: another name for like a cheerleader, like a supporter, you
21:40
Speaker 4: know whatever, And the lady asked me my friend was
21:44
Speaker 4: like jockstrapped, And of course.
21:50
Speaker 1: That's exactly what Trista wants to be known as around
22:00
Speaker 1: remember on bat threat jock straps. Isn't that horrible? Yeah,
22:09
Speaker 1: I don't you at all.
22:15
Speaker 3: When you said, you know, like a supporter, that went
22:17
Speaker 3: through my head. I was like, Josha, I never thought
22:21
Speaker 3: you would say that.
22:21
Speaker 1: Become nice and close and snug and protected. I mean,
22:27
Speaker 1: when you think about you just start describing those things.
22:29
Speaker 1: That is Trista is giving giving you your space to
22:35
Speaker 1: protected close.
22:37
Speaker 2: Like a like a cradle. You provide a cradle of friendship.
22:44
Speaker 1: It's just to go hard turn I know.
22:48
Speaker 5: Anyway, Sorry, my mind also just went to a foul
22:57
Speaker 5: place of where I'm like when they are getting down
22:59
Speaker 5: at night, is I'm like my little jockstrap.
23:05
Speaker 1: Oh.
23:07
Speaker 3: Could you tell?
23:09
Speaker 1: Only for far too long?
23:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're proving that you need
23:13
Speaker 2: to do that. That's that's right there.
23:18
Speaker 1: Who's telling you these rumors? Because I'm apparently the last
23:21
Speaker 1: to know. We have a big source.
23:23
Speaker 4: We have a source source, we have a sources very
23:28
Speaker 4: popular podcast.
23:30
Speaker 2: We have people on the inside.
23:31
Speaker 4: We got people, we got people, we got people, people
23:36
Speaker 4: even have people.
23:37
Speaker 1: I forget how well known and popular the two of
23:39
Speaker 1: you are, you know, and to be sitting in your
23:41
Speaker 1: feel it like I'm starting to sweat just being inside.
23:46
Speaker 2: Deal here we got yeah.
23:47
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're real important.
23:51
Speaker 3: They haven't had me near the show since two thousand
23:53
Speaker 3: and three, so I don't think I'm that important at
23:55
Speaker 3: least just as at least getting back in the ground,
23:58
Speaker 3: which is nice.
24:00
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, maybe we can change that stuff, because
24:02
Speaker 4: I feel like what the executives have said is like
24:05
Speaker 4: we do want to kind of get back like you
24:07
Speaker 4: mentioned it, I think on the other episode is just
24:10
Speaker 4: getting back to really the core of the show, and
24:14
Speaker 4: I think that Gary and the Golden Bachelor are going
24:16
Speaker 4: to do that. They're going to get back to the
24:18
Speaker 4: no drama the you know, it's not Caddy between these women.
24:22
Speaker 4: It like, at least that's what I feel like is
24:25
Speaker 4: going to happen because they're in a place in their
24:27
Speaker 4: life where they don't care.
24:29
Speaker 1: Like they're like, I don't want to cause drama.
24:31
Speaker 4: I just want to have fun, enjoy my life, and
24:34
Speaker 4: maybe if I meet somebody that I fall in love with, awesome.
24:39
Speaker 4: You know.
24:40
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a rare person though I didn't
24:41
Speaker 1: like drama when I was on The Bachelorette any anyway,
24:44
Speaker 1: Like I totally if girls were being Caddy, I was like,
24:46
Speaker 1: I don't want any part of this. I'm going to
24:48
Speaker 1: go like take a nap, like I don't. Yeah, never
24:50
Speaker 1: live my life like that.
24:52
Speaker 2: The season was that way too. We were we were
24:54
Speaker 2: all buddies.
24:54
Speaker 3: I mean that, which actually so that I fell mine
24:58
Speaker 3: right after that, I'm like, hey, I don't want any
25:01
Speaker 3: drama because I just got done with the show and
25:02
Speaker 3: we had zero drama.
25:03
Speaker 2: We really liked each other.
25:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, at the end of the day, it
25:06
Speaker 3: comes down to the lead, I think, really putting that
25:08
Speaker 3: out there, and I know, kiss like she loved that
25:11
Speaker 3: we were all buddies, Like she really loved it.
25:14
Speaker 4: It made me so happy because honestly, that's a big
25:17
Speaker 4: part of what I wanted after the show, Like I
25:20
Speaker 4: don't want to live with someone who likes drama. I
25:22
Speaker 4: want to live with someone and spend my life with
25:25
Speaker 4: someone and share it with someone who actually.
25:28
Speaker 1: Likes for people, we are not looking to be like
25:31
Speaker 1: traumatized forever. Yeah, yeah, you know what, So buddy, I
25:36
Speaker 1: think that uh we say bring us back enough, you
25:40
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, because look at us, We
25:41
Speaker 1: could do this for another four hours, and I think
25:43
Speaker 1: the three of us are really great. We're doing really well.
25:47
Speaker 1: There's this other piece of the show that, like you
25:49
Speaker 1: sink the concept that they bring back the newest contestants
25:51
Speaker 1: because they're young and fresh and they've got four hundred
25:53
Speaker 1: thousand followers or whatever. That looks like, you know what
25:55
Speaker 1: I mean. And obviously the show is successful for a
25:58
Speaker 1: reason because the pop ularity is still driven and like,
26:02
Speaker 1: let's be honest, if they bring me back to speak
26:04
Speaker 1: to someone and give them advice, it's not because I
26:07
Speaker 1: am boosting ratings in this show, like half the time,
26:09
Speaker 1: people don't know who I am anymore, you know, So
26:13
Speaker 1: I get the concept, but I am always really thankful
26:15
Speaker 1: that when they do bring us back, because come on,
26:18
Speaker 1: there's this other selfish piece that still makes you feel
26:20
Speaker 1: special well totally.
26:22
Speaker 4: And what I do want to say to that is
26:24
Speaker 4: that I you know, our seasons were I don't know
26:29
Speaker 4: what the numbers are now, but the viewership back then
26:34
Speaker 4: was in the double digit millions, you know, Like I
26:37
Speaker 4: think our my engagement with Ryan was thirty one million
26:40
Speaker 4: people were watching. Now I wonder if they even get
26:43
Speaker 4: three and so there were like thirty one people watching
26:47
Speaker 4: back then, and all of these people have aged twenty years,
26:51
Speaker 4: and I feel like they're missing out on that demographic
26:54
Speaker 4: of the like mid age, mid life, whatever you want
26:59
Speaker 4: to call it, women, especially women and men who watch
27:04
Speaker 4: the show, raising their kids whatever, And now their kids
27:07
Speaker 4: are watching the show or their grand kids are watching
27:10
Speaker 4: the show, and I feel like, why not bring back
27:13
Speaker 4: the demographic of the people who like watched our season.
27:17
Speaker 4: So I feel like, if you are the Bachelorette, Deanna,
27:21
Speaker 4: if you decide to be the bachelorette and they officially
27:24
Speaker 4: ask you then I feel like it will bring all
27:27
Speaker 4: these people back who actually really really supported the show originally,
27:32
Speaker 4: Like that.
27:33
Speaker 1: What would be for every single episode to be my
27:35
Speaker 1: og friends, Like don't bring back the twenty somethings, bring
27:37
Speaker 1: back my Trista, bring back my Bob. Yeah, you know
27:41
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm gonna do it, Like, let's
27:44
Speaker 1: do it, bring back all the old people who like
27:46
Speaker 1: none of us have any bucks to give, you know
27:49
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right, we're all in it for like
27:52
Speaker 1: the genuine love aspect of the show, and that the
27:57
Speaker 1: other piece is like we all genuinely like each other,
27:59
Speaker 1: so better to let have back and again in this
28:03
Speaker 1: stream scenario of if I was a bachelorette, to allow
28:06
Speaker 1: people like us to come back and be like, listen, y'all,
28:10
Speaker 1: this is how the show really is. This is how
28:12
Speaker 1: we should really go. This is how far in depth
28:15
Speaker 1: you should allow yourself. This is the piece that's really
28:19
Speaker 1: beautiful of this show. And this is what you can
28:21
Speaker 1: take away from it. You know what I mean, let's
28:23
Speaker 1: step that.
28:24
Speaker 2: Let's do with a relationship, and there's not that doesn't
28:29
Speaker 2: need to be a tag on it, you know.
28:30
Speaker 3: What I mean, It doesn't You can you can give
28:32
Speaker 3: a Neil Lane promise ring or you know whatever it
28:36
Speaker 3: is it.
28:36
Speaker 2: Was it was a different person back in the day. Way,
28:38
Speaker 2: that's just that I already do it, but you know,
28:40
Speaker 2: I know who it is now.
28:41
Speaker 3: So you can give that ring still as a symbol
28:43
Speaker 3: of an ongoing relationship if you want to, and if not, let's.
28:47
Speaker 1: See what it goes. Let's do real life together. So
28:50
Speaker 1: maybe you guys, maybe the dates are not these over
28:53
Speaker 1: the top, helicopter over volcanoes dates because those aren't real life.
28:56
Speaker 1: Maybe it's me taking them to the park and seeing
29:00
Speaker 1: if they can clean up dog shit because I have
29:02
Speaker 1: a right. Let's see how well they feel about that.
29:05
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's like me taking them and they're driving
29:09
Speaker 1: me to work and then I don't see them for
29:10
Speaker 1: two weeks and see how they.
29:12
Speaker 2: Sit in that are like watching Real Housewives marathon and
29:18
Speaker 2: not talking.
29:19
Speaker 1: Now, let's think more around Outlander. Let's make them sit
29:25
Speaker 1: down and watch with me. Love me. Yeah, Claire and
29:30
Speaker 1: Jamie Frasier vibes like in my next life. That's what
29:34
Speaker 1: I want. Claire and Jamie, I know, mean, what.
29:38
Speaker 2: Are you on? You're gonna ask me in the middle
29:42
Speaker 2: of this? Oh sorry, sorry, so yeah, I just I'll
29:45
Speaker 2: go to the other. That's that's love in real life.
29:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly other at the end of the day,
29:51
Speaker 1: in our own element with like, I mean, I feel
29:54
Speaker 1: really pretty today, but like this is not every day,
29:56
Speaker 1: like let's see each other where. I haven't washed my
29:58
Speaker 1: hair for four days and I don't have makeup on
29:59
Speaker 1: in my mind lasma showing, and my pants are too
30:01
Speaker 1: tight because I have a really big rear end. You know,
30:04
Speaker 1: I look back at that bit I love really do.
30:06
Speaker 1: I look back at that season four girl of that Bachelorette,
30:10
Speaker 1: and I thought, physically I felt the most beautiful that
30:15
Speaker 1: I ever had, but emotionally I wasn't quite me yet,
30:19
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was welcome my way
30:21
Speaker 1: to being me. But like now I look at myself
30:24
Speaker 1: and I feel so deeply secure in who I am
30:29
Speaker 1: as a person both outside and inside, and I'm I'm
30:32
Speaker 1: you know, that's being the realist that I've ever been. Like,
30:35
Speaker 1: I am broken. I have been broken, not completely broken,
30:39
Speaker 1: but I've put myself back together and I'm not one
30:42
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds anymore. I'm a grown ass woman
30:44
Speaker 1: and I've nursed two children and I've burr of two babies.
30:47
Speaker 1: This body is a warrior, you know what I mean.
30:51
Speaker 1: Like me for that, Love me for that. That's real,
30:55
Speaker 1: That's who I am. Love it great and gentlemen up.
31:06
Speaker 1: So if I alone, you're gonna call your people, and
31:09
Speaker 1: then you're gonna call me, and you're gonna tell me
31:11
Speaker 1: all the insights that I don't know. I feel a
31:14
Speaker 1: little in the dark, but I'm I am super flattered.
31:21
Speaker 2: Dumb and dummer are like, So you're telling me there's a.
31:23
Speaker 4: Chance, there's a chance, always a chance, there's.
31:26
Speaker 2: Always I'm not gonna you're telling me there's a chance.
31:30
Speaker 1: There is always a chance. I really was, Bob, I'm
31:33
Speaker 1: not lying. I was had a few cocktails and I
31:35
Speaker 1: was really joking when I was pitching my coming back
31:37
Speaker 1: as the Bachelorette. And then the more I thought about it,
31:39
Speaker 1: I was like, they'd be really stupid if they don't
31:41
Speaker 1: jump on something like that. Doesn't have to be me,
31:43
Speaker 1: but they really stupid, don't jump on that. And the
31:46
Speaker 1: only other thing I was gonna say, and Trista you
31:48
Speaker 1: probably can relate is when I look on my social media,
31:50
Speaker 1: I am literally followed by like ninety eight percent women
31:54
Speaker 1: and of the women who messaged me, you can imagine
31:56
Speaker 1: because I was on fifteen years ago, they had been
31:59
Speaker 1: watching the show and a lot of them will say
32:01
Speaker 1: even today. Right, they posted yesterday that Tristan, Desiree and
32:04
Speaker 1: I are on, and so many people wrote me and said,
32:06
Speaker 1: I just love that. It's the three of you. I've
32:08
Speaker 1: been well, Trista was on, and I love Trista, and
32:11
Speaker 1: I love Desiree, and I love you, and I wish
32:14
Speaker 1: the show would be that again. And there's this right,
32:16
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying to that night. There is
32:19
Speaker 1: this beautiful piece that like, you can take this and
32:23
Speaker 1: you can bring it back to where it started to
32:25
Speaker 1: what it was when it was really good. You really
32:28
Speaker 1: can do that.
32:29
Speaker 3: It can so.
32:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I will love it. I'll just
32:37
Speaker 1: email some people as soon as I hang ups posted I'm.
32:44
Speaker 5: Okay.
32:45
Speaker 1: When the announcement is made, they've got to have me
32:47
Speaker 1: back on because it would make no sense to have
32:48
Speaker 1: me on any other podcast. Then that's right, especially if
32:51
Speaker 1: I've been here so much and listen, we're OG's for
32:54
Speaker 1: a reason. It has to be released here, don't you
32:55
Speaker 1: think that's right?
32:56
Speaker 2: I do. I love it.
33:00
Speaker 1: There's a chance.
33:01
Speaker 4: All right, Danna, thank you again for coming on again
33:05
Speaker 4: and letting us kind of talk hypothetically and in dreamland.
33:10
Speaker 4: And who knows, maybe dreamland will come true.
33:14
Speaker 1: A man out there who can handle this strong, independent woman.
33:17
Speaker 1: Maybe I know there is. I love you, guys, thanks
33:23
Speaker 1: so much for having me.
33:24
Speaker 3: Love you.
33:27
Speaker 1: Just to call me as soon as you hang up.
33:29
Speaker 1: I will.
33:32
Speaker 2: Guys, she is so awesome.
33:38
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us for almost famous ogs. I love
33:42
Speaker 4: talking to her. I you know, like she said, she is,
33:46
Speaker 4: you know, such a close friend, and it's heartbreaking what
33:51
Speaker 4: she went through, just you know, like anybody else, and
33:55
Speaker 4: going through divorce when you are, when you are truly
33:58
Speaker 4: in love, it's it's heartbreaking. And so I was asking
34:03
Speaker 4: her about Sunday nights if she was alone on Sunday
34:06
Speaker 4: nights because I want to like put a reminder in
34:09
Speaker 4: my phone to just text her or say you know,
34:11
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about you. But anyway, So I love having Deanna,
34:20
Speaker 4: And who knows, maybe it'll come to fruition.
34:23
Speaker 3: I hope it does.
34:24
Speaker 2: I'm so fire about it. I think it'd be the
34:26
Speaker 2: greatest thing ever.
34:27
Speaker 1: I agree.
34:29
Speaker 4: I would love to see it. I I wonder if
34:31
Speaker 4: she would actually be able to make it work. But
34:35
Speaker 4: maybe they can. Maybe they can you know, do it
34:38
Speaker 4: in installments or something so that she can actually you know,
34:41
Speaker 4: do a couple of weeks and then be with the
34:43
Speaker 4: kids for kids for a week.
34:44
Speaker 1: And that you know, who knows.
34:45
Speaker 4: But yeah, anyway, it was great to chat as always.
34:51
Speaker 2: Yes me, thank you for joining us, everybody. We appreciate it.
34:54
Speaker 3: I'm slapper back together again. We had a couple of weeks.
34:57
Speaker 3: Are we're doing the show, but you know, not together us.
34:59
Speaker 4: I was ever back on agreed, agreed, Love you, Bob,
35:04
Speaker 4: thanks for doing and everybody and uh we'll talk to
35:08
Speaker 4: you soon.
35:08
Speaker 2: Bye bye
35:15
Speaker 4: M