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Trying The Skol Hop Hoppy American Amber Ale! | TSH Ep. 34 · The Skol Hop

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All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of the School
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Hop. I'm Evan, I'm Austin, I'm Forrest. Forst is here joining
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us again, and we're just a couple of dudes from Iowa, a few
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dudes, a few dudes who like drinking beer and talking about the Vikings.
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And we've got a special beer today. You want, let's let's scold.
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So let's yeah, let's do that. Oh there it is Austin. Why
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don't you tell us why this beer is so special? Well, I'll introduce
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it, but I want forced to talk about it the most because he is
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the mastermind behind the beer. It is the one and only Skull Hop.
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We brewed our own beer named after our podcast. It is inspired by your
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love of amber beer's my love of I p as. It's an ambery,
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happy, beautiful, delicious concoction of beer. And Forrest tell us about it.
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What what were you thinking when you made up this recipe? Well,
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first thing I was thinking is why did I get myself into this? You
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know? But but you know, I've come to love your podcast, and
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you guys say, n anytime I get a chance to brew beer, I'm
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all for it. So but no, it's a it's a like you said,
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described it as a multi hoppy beer, taking influence from both of you
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guys. So we had that brewdet designed the beer with with you know,
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some just basic malts, and then three different hot profiles, and then and
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then we just let it nature do its work with the yeast and fall off.
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Here we are. So it's it's it was a long time coming,
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and that actually only about a month and a half. But I think ever
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since we brewed that day, we were very excited about the potential of this
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and and I think the the fruits of our labor have paid off, so
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oh absolutely indeed they have. And we we got to kind of like at
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different points in the process to try some things, Like we tried the wart,
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which was kind of the pre fermented beer, right, it was correct.
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We also tried it after it was fermented, before we added the carbonation,
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right, So at a few points along the way we got to try
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it out, and every single time it was just awesome. You know.
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You just start with that foundation of you, like you said, the wart,
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that that base profile, and then after we had boiled with hops,
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trying it again and then coming back you know, a few weeks later after
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it fermented, actually getting that alcohol content but no carbonation yet. And then
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now the fourth step, trying it again, now full fledged beer with carbonation,
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so the good stuff. And you guys, I have no problem admitting
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I was nervous. I was nervous how the bottles would turn out because we
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put most of it in a keg, right, that is true, three
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and a half gallons is still sitting in the kegs. So we still got
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to plan out something for that. I have like a bonfire or something.
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We'll figure that out. But we did six bottles kind of for the podcast
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so that we could present it. Made up a fun little label and we
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used the like the the bottling tablets that you have that make it for or
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not ferment but carbonate. Yep, And I was nervous. There's a little
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bit of sediment, but it's an unfiltered beer, so you're gonna get that.
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And then I think the tablet you were saying, the tablet probably added
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a little bit more sediment. But yeah, in the poor in the glass,
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it's I mean it's carbonated. It tastes amazing. It's very ambry,
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with a perfect little hint of hop that I'm getting, but I love it.
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This is fantastic. Yeah, I'm pretty pretty impressed. And not to
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toot my own horn, but yeah, this beer is very delicious and I'm
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looking forward to having a little bit more here tonight and then and then cracking
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open that keg and whenever time comes. So, yeah, and we have
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some some content, some video content, some stuff from the actual brew process
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and a little bit so maybe we'll maybe we'll cut something up, throw it
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out on YouTube or TikTok or something. We've got the episode obviously that we
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reared in your garage, but then we also have a lot of additional footage
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that I've started to piece together. But I actually wanted to get this the
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culmination. I wanted us to try it, and I wanted to have some
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footage of us enjoying it before we publish that. So now that we've checked
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that box, we can splice some of that footage into that. And yeah,
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be on the lookout for something probably on our YouTube channel. That seems
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like the most swere that'll come out. So yeah, it'll be it'll be
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fun and bring you our audience into the brewing process. I learned a lot
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in the brewing process. That was my first time ever brewing. You've brewed
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for Yeah, there's fascinating though. I felt like half chemist and half artist,
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Like it was just like the perfect combination of both, and I don't
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know, it was it was fun. What about the process? Uh,
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would you say? Is like you've already kind of hinted that this I feel
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like, But like, what's what's the most important part of it? Like,
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if you don't do this, you're not gonna have good beer. I
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think cleanliness. Oh yeah, sanitation is the most important. Why waste your
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time if you're just gonna put it into a dirty bucket or even bottle once
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once you finish the brewerina, I mean, those flavors will come off,
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So make sure you clean and sanitize. I think any prower will tell you
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that is the most important. Otherwise it's a wasted effort. So, yeah,
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if you don't sanitize, you can come out with a drinkable alcoholic beer
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that just doesn't taste good because of the ingredients you chose. But if you
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don't sanitize your you could come out with mold and like it's just poison and
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and you know, sometimes it's it's no intention, but something you know,
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just gets missed, you know, stuck on the side of something, and
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I have had to pour out, you know, a lot of beer on
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one occasion, five gallons worth because it got infected. And that hurts.
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It's not it's not a fun thing to see it go down the drain.
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So, speaking from experience, we did start by cleaning. We cleaned everything.
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We cleaned. We cleaned for probably about an hour, I feel like
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quite a while. Yeah, So we put a lot of different grain into
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this beer too. You did you put you give yourself some physically went like
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this, I mean that was that was mostly my main contration the beer.
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But tell us about the grain, what do we have? Yeah, so
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it's mainly I think seven pounds worth of two row malt, which is basically
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a standard for almost any beer, you know style, Its just so common
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around this area, and it just goes well. And then you start to
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add the multier, darker color. So we put some biscuit malt into here
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and some Vienna malts, so gave it that nice amber color a little more
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like the multi biscuity flavor. So yeah, it turned out really well.
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So I think all in all, I think there was like nine pounds of
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grain for for a five gallon brew, So I poured a lot of bags
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of grain into the into the buckets. Yeah, it sounds about right.
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But we had fun doing it. You know. I had them try,
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you know, the grain before that went into the mash ton and then even
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after what they call the spent grain after the water has been soaked on it,
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just you know, trying it, you know, getting getting that flavor.
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You know, that's what the beer is probably gonna taste similar too.
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So it was a lot fun to to do, you know, those types
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of things throughout the brew process. Yeah, I had a blast. I
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brewed with you probably what five or so times at this point. It's always
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been a blast. Of course, when you brew, the brew doesn't count
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if you didn't also enjoy a few brews during the process. Well it's like
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a rite of passage. You have to drink beer while brewing. Yeah,
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absolutely, And we definitely lovely sick Sick local process. Yeah, beer brew
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there's you so much time that you're just waiting around. What else you can
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do? So in our case, record a podcast. We did record the
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podcast that was that was great, But I tell you it was fun.
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You know Brunan Austin's garages, different location. Yeah, because this is a
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bona fide Iowa brew. This is a definitely Iowa brew from the water that
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came from Iowa. And and obviously all the all the bruce steps were done
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there, so certified Islandwegian. I don't know how what is ioland iowe.
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I think it's whatever you're comfortable with. Okay, okay. We managed to
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keep your dog out of it too, we did. She tried to poke
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her head in a little bit. She the beer, but the podcast she
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almost got into the otherwise have had to call that hair of the dog.
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We avoided that, which is a good thing we did. We did.
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What were the hops that we put in here? Because we yeah, we
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added hops to the actual brew, but then we dry hopped later. We
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did so the majority so different times. So we used Centennial hops, Cascade,
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and then a new one that I had never used as called Mandarin,
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but all three different hot profiles with how bitter they can become. The Centennial
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has more of like a piny taste, where the Cascade and the other are
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more citrusy. So it kind of bounced out well from that perspective, and
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if you if you know anything about brain, it the longer you boil it,
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the more bitter it becomes because of all those oils in the hop.
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So we did that and then uh, then we dry hopped just a little
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bit of the cascade I believe just a few like a week before we ended
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the fermentation. So that's like I said, that's that's mainly just to give
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more of the aroma. It does not add really any any bitterness or flavor
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to it, but as you know with like Hazy's, it can add cloudiness.
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Obviously you can't see as well with a darker beer. So yeah,
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I have a question that you may not know the answer to, and that's
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okay. But we have on our logo the hop plant as part of the
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logo. It's basically the hot plant with a Viking helmet on top. You
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can see it down below us if you're watching on YouTube or I was surprised
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when we brewed that the hops that we put in the beer didn't look like
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that. Ah, yeah, why is that the case? Yeah, So
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that is a full hop that comes off the plant like a hot fine.
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So basically it's a whole bud of like a flower and basically what they're doing
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with most times they basically put into like a power form and then and pack
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it into a pellet for so basically it for ease of business. But you
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can't get hops and just leafs and everything fresh leaf hops and and stuff like
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that, so just it's usually easier and cleaner to do the pellets. So
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yeah, yeah, I remember the first time I brewed with you being a
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little confused, like, I guess that's tops It's not what I thought it
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would look like. It's a great question, yeah, because if you like,
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yeah, you walk in thinking like, okay, we're going to brew
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beer and we're going to add hops, and you just think they're going to
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look like a hop that you're used to seeing. And then yeah, you
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pulled out the bags and I'm like, oh, that looks like dog food.
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Yeah kind of look. I mean, I I you know what I
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accompliss to fish food, you know, with a little green pellets fish tanks.
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And I mean first time I brewed, I was had the same type
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of thought process. But there's no mistaking you open that bag, you're overwhelmed
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with the happy aroma and those are that's just like in each bag we opened
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was only like one ounce of hops in it. It packs the punch.
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Unless you're doing a major I PA. You don't need a ton to put
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in there. It will it'll pack a punch. Your garage smelled real good
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after that. Yeah, and then it went away after a couple of days.
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I was sad the first time I walked out and I didn't get hit
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with the bruce smell. It was also like February when we brewed and gets
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cold, and the cold kind of chases away the smell. So anytime you
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want to brew at your house, just let me know to get that smell
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back in your girl. Yeah, you know, I don't even need to
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be home. You can just I can just come home if you're in my
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garage ruin a beer like okay, hey, if this is the success or
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I'm getting from your place, I'll all take it every single day. So
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I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit. Where do you
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rank this on beers that you've brewed, because at this point, how many
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beers you think you've brewed. I've probably done home brewis probably, and how
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many of those were not just like you bought them, so probably would equated
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probably twenty three. Yeah, or she made the recipe what they call all
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grain recipes, so you're you're doing everything from start start to scratch. This
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is probably top three. I mean, you can't deny, you know,
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the we we hit our levels at every measurement. So it ended up being
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a six percent alcohol beer, so so not not heavy heavy, but definitely
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not one you know that you could crush, you know, in a few
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seconds either. So no, yeah, so no, it ended up really
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well that I think that's what we were aiming for when I designed the beer
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was around six percent. So I was just happy at every moment we were
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taking measurements and testing quality that that everything was coming together and you just had
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that feeling it was it was going to be a good beer. And I
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don't know, like so, maybe it's the good mojo of Iowa. Maybe
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it's I had the pressure on me today beer for you guys, I don't
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know. Well, thank you very much for everything you've done for the School
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Hot Beer and the School Hop itself. This beer is fantastic. Yeah,
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it is what six percent? Right? There is six percent? So I
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usually most stuff I brew just for because of drinkability, I make around five
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percent so I was excited to do something just smitch heavier. So yeah,
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and we don't know specifically like the IBus or anything, so I can guesstimate
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the IBus. So that's basically what they call it, the International bittering units.
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So the higher the number, the more bitter it is. So we're
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probably around thirty five. It's not very high. It's probably just a little
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lesson what a pale ale is. So, like I said, we added
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a lot more hots than normal for a amber and you can taste it on
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the backside, but nothing too extreme from a bitterness factor. So I like
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it a lot. It's very very good. Is there anything that you would
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do differently? Oh, that's probably a question I would throw at you guys
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for a taste, But I'd say for me, I'm one that I don't
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think I've ever made the same beer twice. True, I'm always trying to
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tweak and maybe that's why I I don't know, I'm just never fully satisfied
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this this is up there though, So I there might be a few things
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I'd tweak on this. If you want more happiness, I'd add a little
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more hot to it during the boil. Uh. So, yeah, probably
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that would be my only critique if if that's what we're aiming for, I
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think for me just maybe like five percent more happiness if I were to change
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anything, but I don't. I don't think i'd want to, Like this
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is fantastic. It's not like we're just saying like, oh, it's it's
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drinkable, like this is a really good beer. This is this is up
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there with the other beers that we've had on the on the podcast, like
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a great Well, I want to hear Evans thoughts, but i'd also since
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Austin, you've you've tried several of my other homebrews, what's your ranking on
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on this for oh Man, and not to be biased since this is technically
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your beer as well. Sure, yeah, so I definitely I think i'd
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agree and say top three. I think I've said it a million times.
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I haven't had a bad beer that you've made. There is the one that
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we both kind of agree isn't awesome, but it wasn't bad. It was
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just not just wasn't what we were It was a fine beer. But the
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one that we brewed for my son that was a really good one, like
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a really good that was a really good one. So those are probably the
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top two. The Hank I p A and the school. Maybe maybe it's
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you, because I'd agree that's also my top three. Your your your,
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your youngest is beer. I just for everyone's to know that I had this
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idea, you know, when when my friends had had kids, that we
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were going to brew a beer, you know, and they're honor so you
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know a lot of people you know had cigars, you know, when they
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have a kid. And well, obviously I'm not really a smoker, so
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I'm gonna do a beer instead. So just a little bit of twist.
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So that's that's where that came from. So I'm sad that I never got
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to try the hank. Yeah, we have the recipe, maybe we can
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try that. We might be able to bring it up. I don't remember
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it being a difficult beer to make. Well, I think it's fairly clean
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from from that standpoint. And that one was more of like a hazy citrusy
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I pa, wasn't it. We did a session pale ale I believe,
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just to make sure it is a little alcohol content. So but yeah,
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citrusy flavor, so yep, so sweet. But Evan, did you answer
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yet? I that this is a tough question to answer because I've had a
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lot of really good beer in my life. And it's also tough because I'm
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obviously biased our logo on it. I well, and I literally we all
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literally poured stuff in contributed to Forest mostly but us as well. Yeah,
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we were assistinct. We held the flashlight. You helped. Yeah, you
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guys say that, but you guys, you did more than you think you
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did. Maybe that's why the spear is still get it and swear. Maybe
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the inspiration for the recipe. I think you took our tastes in beer,
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and I mean, gosh, if you go back and listen to anything from
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the football season, it seemed like we just alternated happy. I pa when
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Austin was bringing the beer in October Fest, Amber red anything in that category
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if I was bringing the beer, and I feel like we've got a perfect
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mixture of that right here. I agree there could maybe be a little more
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happiness. And I think I had the idea while we've been sitting here that
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maybe we brew a few more beers and maybe we do a happy one and
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an Amber one more more kind of we could have Evans version in Austin's version,
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that's right, we could have our own individual beers, and then we
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could save a little bit of this, and then we could do a little
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beer flight someday, school hot beer Flight. Yeah, but I just gave
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you two more beers to brew. Like I said earlier podcast, if it
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comes to drinking beer, making beer, anything, beer, I'm all in
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for. Though, well, I would put this up there. I mean,
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gosh that this has to be top in my opinion. It's a really
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good beer. I like I pas to ye, yeah, to be fair,
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just like you like ambers. I just if I'm going to go to
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the store, I'm gonna pull the Amber and you'll pull the the I p
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a most likely. And I think this captures the essence of both of those
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perfectly in a very good way, in a drinkable way. Six percent isn't
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any thing that's gonna knock you off your feet, but it's also got a
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little bit of weight to it, like you said. And yeah, in
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terms of beer that I've helped brew, this is top. This is tops.
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This is up there. Well, that's encouraging to hear that you had
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a good experience, not only just because the beer turned out well, but
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you know, I was barely impressed that you just rattled out the word war
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you know earlier in the podcast. It's like, man, he's he's actually
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listening to me. So I'm an English teacher and I hope that my students
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retain the information that I do. I retained a few things there you go
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the process. So what I'm hearing is maybe I'll be the assistant next time
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you guys. No, no, we want a good beer. We want
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a good we want something like this, not something that we're like. But
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all in all, this is this is, this is wonderful. Yeah,
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I'm so. We only have two bottles each right now, Yes, but
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we have three more gallons at home, so I may have to just like
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pause the recording, go get the keg early kicks quick on the just means
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we got to make sure we hit that keg sooner than later. Yeah,
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yeah, we need to start planning. Agreed, Well, we should talk
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a little football, Yeah we do. We're here. We talked here,
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but we also talked Vikings and Forrest. You're a Bears fan, You're mostly
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a Michigan fan. But yeah, we talked about this to fair degree on
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another podcasts I've been on. Yeah, Bears fan, but nothing extreme like
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like I would never do a Bear's podcast, not only because I don't know
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there's through the Bears. So I think we can do You think we can
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switch you to the light side. Now you're in the dark side right now,
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I'm too deep in right, I respect that. I don't think even
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if you did say yeah, I'll switch to be a Vikings fan, I
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think it would always feel a little dirty. Yeah, I definitely. But
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you listen to a Vikings podcast. I listen to it every week. You
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have me hooked. Sweet, that makes me feel good. All right,
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Bear's question, let's just get it out of the way right now. How
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are you feeling about Caleb Williams. Well, I think we've also kind of
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discussed something like podcasts. I guess I have to come around to the idea.
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And I will once start off saying there's no doubt he is a very
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gifted, talented athlete, no doubt in my mind from from the very beginning.
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You don't go to you know, two major universities and be starting QB
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SO and win the Heisman one year of it. So I think his his
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attitude, though, is just from what I saw in college ball, not
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not a team player sore sport when things aren't going as a way, and
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I just I just don't like don't like that. I think that can bring
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a poison of cancer into a locker room. And even if he's just the
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rookie, you know, coming into a veteran locker room, it can it
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can create waves and divides and I just don't like that. But to answer
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fully your question, I've had to come around with knowing that the Bears will
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select him, and I just hope for the best that maybe he will turn
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it around attitude wise with a great, great team. It looks like for
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the Bears. I mean, I'm pretty excited this year with with the the
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weapons and everything that they're playing some fantasy football in the off season and it's
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it seems like some good moves. Is there someone else you'd rather see the
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Bears take? I mean, they control their destiny there. For me,
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it would just be trading down. I mean, I think it would be
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a waste of a one to taking anyone else besides Caleb Williams personally, So
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in that aspect, I would rather trade down a couple spots and get still
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a good quarterback and then get some more value out of picks and everything.
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I think there are other great quarterbacks in this draft. And yeah they may
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they may not be, you know, starting day one like Caleb Williams,
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but I think you can respect a lot of these qbs coming. Here's my
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cynical Vikings fan hope for Caleb Williams is the same one as Justin Fields that
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you had who was right about Justin Fields. I will never know. We
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do know the Bears got rid of him for nothing. Oh yeah, so,
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but we'll see how he does. He's he's cooked unless he switches to
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his natural position running back. But my cynical Vikings fan hope for Caleb Williams
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is that he has been hyped up for so long and he has been the
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crowned number one overall pick for at least a year now. I hope the
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Bears in scouting him just like watched his tape and are like, oh,
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yeah, that's why he's number one. That's why he's number one. And
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they only looked at the good things, and they didn't do a fair full
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evaluation. They just did it knowing he's going to be number one, and
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you know, proved their thoughts right with the plays that they picked to say,
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yes, that's who he is, and they ignored the poor plays and
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the crying on the sidelines and they agree more. So that's my hope.
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I would. I would say, I mean, look why he didn't win
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the Heisman. You know this past season. You know, he didn't have
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as greade of a season, and part of that's other parts of the team.
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But you just look at, like you said, his stats and and
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the way he threw the ball, and it just wasn't as impressive as the
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year before. So he's a good quarterback. I mean, I'm not saying
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the Bears are making a terrible decision. The Vikings would pick him if they
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had the number one pick. He's a good quarterback. He'll be okay.
27:07
I just I hope he doesn't hit the height that he's he's projected to hit.
27:14
That would kind of stink. I hope whoever the Vikings pick, he's
27:17
the right guy. He doesn't seem to be like a Patrick Mahomes type of
27:21
generational talent, but coming out of college, Pat Mahomes didn't seem like that.
27:25
Sure he knew true, So I would I would say that the one
27:30
thing going good for for kill Williams is the Bears have good weapons this year
27:37
for him to be part of that offense, where I don't think that was
27:42
necessarily true with Justin Fields or Mitch Trubisky. So not saying those guys were
27:51
as good as Kill Williams, you know, coming out of college. But
27:55
but that's that's my I guess what I'm holding on for Hope is the good
28:00
supporting cast for him to the league. Though They've definitely made some moves to
28:06
try to make it a good situation for a rookie quarterback. And I think
28:10
the Vikings are also a good situation for rickie quarterback. I mean, you
28:14
have the best non quarterback player in the league, Justin Jefferson when healthy.
28:19
When he does get healthy, TJ. Hockinson is a reliable target except for
28:23
a few games at the beginning of the season last year. The running game
28:27
needs some help, needs a lot of help, but the offensive line is
28:32
pretty strong. A couple are the best tackles in the league. Yeah,
28:34
and I think they need to get off their tish and sign Dalton Reisner back.
28:38
So he got a new agent, Drew Rhoadsen House, so we'll see
28:42
if there's some movement there. I say the running backs an issue. I
28:47
forget that the Vikings signed Aaron Jones of thirty year old twenty nine year old
28:52
running backs. If he can produce like he did the last couple of games
28:56
of the season in the playoff game, I mean, he's like a Honda
29:00
with one hundred thousand miles on it. They last forever. Evan loves this
29:06
analogy so much. He's a he's a used car that you know what,
29:10
you know what you can get, nothing too flashy, but reliable. He
29:18
does rock that sombrero. I don't know where that came from. I don't
29:21
understand that reference, but neither do I, but people love it. I'm
29:23
sure I've heard he's a good dude in a good locker room guy. And
29:29
hopefully it doesn't turn out to be negative. I mean, I don't think
29:33
there's really any way it could be negative unless he pulls it Alex Madison and
29:36
doesn't do anything this year. If he can score a few rushing touchdowns,
29:40
but even more like week five, will be in good shape. All right,
29:44
So you have talked about it, obviously to a great extent the last
29:48
couple of weeks on your ear shows, and so as of today, what
29:52
what what's your feeling, what what do you want the Vikings to do with
29:56
that first round? What do we want or what do we expect both?
30:00
So I think the first part of that is trading up. I think that's
30:04
the expect part we would. I think it's fair to say we both expect
30:08
the Vikings to package eleven and twenty three and maybe a round pick for next
30:15
season, not a first. I don't think they have to give a first
30:17
for next season. But I'm also just a dude in your basement right now.
30:19
I don't know anything. So at least those first two two first round
30:23
picks this year, they're going to package those with something else to move up
30:27
into three, four or five that range. That's what I'm expecting. Yes,
30:32
I expect the same. I think they'll get into the top five.
30:34
I think the Patriots and the Cardinals are the most likely suitors at this point.
30:41
I don't think the Chargers are, but they could be. I think
30:45
they could. I think they're all somewhat even. In my mind, I
30:48
think they're all about even. Yeah, I don't know. So what do
30:53
you think they're going to do. I think they're going to try like crazy
30:56
to trade up and then from there, I don't know who they pick,
31:03
whether it's three, four or five, even six. I don't know which
31:06
quarterback, but it will be to get a quarterback. Do you do you
31:08
think if it goes Kill Williams and say Drake May, does that impact the
31:17
Vikings of what they want to do or do you think they're so in love
31:21
with Drake May that it changes how they play out that first round? Or
31:27
do you think they're okay with if Drake's off the board that JJ is the
31:34
next best option and they're okay with that. So if I had to bet
31:38
on it and bet a lot of money knowing i'd win, I'd say the
31:44
Vikings are going to trade up and either get Drake May or JJ. But
31:48
this time of year is so hard to predict what's going to happen. Even
31:53
if a GM says something, you can't really read it. This time last
31:56
year, everybody buddy was saying, we'll leve it could be a top ten
32:00
pick, and where did you go like the second or third round, Like
32:04
nobody really knows what's gonna happen and who's telling the truth and who's saying,
32:09
oh, we really like this guy. If they really don't like that guy,
32:12
Like nobody really knows. Like it's just so hard this time of year
32:15
for a casual person to try to read and see what's gonna happen, because
32:22
we could go through all this and Drake May could fall to the third round
32:24
and we're we're watching these gms and coaches play poker. Oh basically, I
32:30
mean, oh yeah, they're and a lot of times they're holding their cards
32:34
to their chest, they're bluffing, they are putting a smoke screen out there,
32:38
saying one thing but then doing another. So yeah, like you said,
32:43
it's it's very challenging to know what's actually going to happen on draft day.
32:49
So it's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be an exciting draft, especially
32:53
first night. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's gonna be a hard one to
33:00
watch. If JJ goes to the Vikings. I mean, maybe you'll see
33:05
me cheer a little bit. Yeah, you'll be excited for him. I
33:07
will. I am a big JJ McCarthy fan. I mean, I think
33:12
he's got all the talent in the world, and I don't think I mean,
33:15
you can say what you want about Jim Harball, but the dude knows
33:20
a quarterback. And if he's saying he's one of the best in the draft
33:23
this year, I would put money on it and just look at the results.
33:28
So yeah, but I mean, even think back to the last time
33:31
you were on the School Hop when we did the beer Brewing episode. At
33:36
that point in time a month and a half ago, two months ago,
33:38
the conventional thought on JJ is, oh, he could be a high second
33:43
round pick. I low first high, Yeah, like late first I think
33:46
I said, yeah. I think I said anywhere between twelve and twenty when
33:51
we were on the brew day. So yeah, he's moved up definitely on
33:53
a lot boards And since then, like, yeah, they've had the combine
33:58
and some you know, workout and stuff. But like it's not like they
34:01
played more games. It's not like he has shown himself in the second half
34:06
of a season. Since then, you know, it's just been combined stuff.
34:09
He threw a ball in the hall of a hotel and everybody thought it
34:14
looked beautiful, and then people are saying nice things about him. I don't
34:17
know what's going to happen, and I can't say that if they announce any
34:22
name that I'll be happy or mad. I'll probably be excited, but like,
34:24
I don't know why I'd be mad if the Vikings picked him or happy
34:28
they picked him. It's just I wish it were more predictable right now.
34:31
Yeah, yeah, but that's what makes the draft funds though. I think
34:36
we and we talked about this a little bit last week in our episode,
34:38
but I think we would be disappointed if they didn't take a quarterback in the
34:45
Absolutely. Absolutely, that is a huge miss. And I said this last
34:51
week and I don't take it back for a second. Quacy might claim that
34:55
Sam Darnold isn't a bridge quarterback, but he absolutely is and they they obviously
35:05
are. And again, that was probably just a very simple bluff of his.
35:09
I think he just doesn't like to use the term bridge. Sure,
35:14
So yeah, I'm i'm I'm I'm under the I'm kind of jealous of your
35:17
guys scenario where you have that bridge quarterback. I would have loved the you
35:22
know, even if it was justin fields for the Bears just to hold on
35:25
to him for the one more year. I mean, it was still on
35:28
the rookie contract, but the Bears got that six round pick, so it's
35:31
way better. Yeah, yeah, it could be a four It could be
35:35
a four if he played fifty one percent might be a four. And you
35:38
have Tyson Bagent, so yeah, yeah, he's good. But I but
35:42
I really was hoping, you know, to that way you could trade down
35:46
to get some more value in the still still get a great quarterback to learn
35:52
in the system for a year. And I don't know, I'm under a
35:54
deep conviction that that that's usually is the way to go. So you look
36:00
at the majority of these these quarterbacks that are successful, they weren't starting in
36:05
year one. So I mean, Pat Mahomes is becoming the new easy example
36:10
that Tom Brady always has been. But Pat Mahomes he didn't play his rookie
36:15
yeah, exactly, and they traded up from like twenty three to number ten
36:20
to get him, so exactly. That's I will say this as far as
36:23
the Bears go, and it's going to sound like I'm crapping on the Bears,
36:28
but if you have a GM and a coach who for two straight seasons
36:34
own at least at one point in time, owned the first overall pick,
36:37
if you go two years later after that and you're not showing some actual results
36:44
from having all those all that capital, that's a high pressure situation. It's
36:49
high pressure to be any GM or head coach. But like to say,
36:52
like, okay, Bears, what are you doing? You had all you
36:55
got, Caleb freaking William, why aren't you winning? So it's high pressure
37:00
like it is. It is, and that's part of the you know,
37:02
the pressure of having that first overall pick. And you know, I was
37:07
really happy with how they handled it trading down last year and it worked out
37:13
well. I think we established, you know, some good, good players
37:16
and so I'm just hoping Poles knows what he's doing. Obviously he comes from
37:22
the Chiefs and yeah, he knows. You know, he's been around success.
37:29
So yeah, hopefully not too much success in Chicago though, because we
37:32
still need yeah yeah, yeah, And like I said, the last thing
37:37
about the Bears is you know they they did they did actually get better,
37:39
you know this this past season, you know, going from three wins,
37:43
you know, and finished with a tie with your vikings. So because when
37:46
I'm hopeful when you were on the show for the first time, you said
37:52
I hope the Bears get to three wins, and that was almost halfway through
37:57
the season. I was shocked. I was actually shocked. Yeah, but
38:02
well, and some of that, they obviously got a boost in their quarterback
38:06
play because Fields was out for a little while. So yeah, well,
38:10
a lot to look forward to in the draft specifically for both franchises. Absolutely,
38:16
and seems like both franchises are going to target a quarterback in the very
38:22
quarterback rich I should hope, so first round. It seems like, I
38:27
mean, it makes sense, right. The NFL is an NFL, I
38:30
can't speak. The NFL is a quarterback happy league. It's a past happy
38:37
league, and so it would make sense that you know, there are a
38:43
lot of good quarterbacks coming up, and there are a lot of quarterback needy
38:46
teams in the NFL. So it takes a lot. It takes skill,
38:52
it takes intelligence, it takes years of practice, and it also takes really
38:57
good coaching in the right situation with the right sporting cast around them. And
39:01
so I think it would be really interesting. It'll be kind of a case
39:06
study, I think in quarterbacks outely comparing the Vikings and the Bears. And
39:12
you know, if we were to come back and brew another beer in a
39:15
couple of years and reflect on this episode thirty four and go, yeah,
39:19
I remember when we were talking about JJ McCarthy going to the Vikings. Remember
39:23
when one of us or one or two of us are going to look foolish.
39:28
Yeah right, I know, I just know it. Remember when Caleb
39:30
Williams was the number one overall pick. Yeah I remember that. I mean
39:36
you just you go back to the past and you look at these good players
39:38
and realize, I mean, say what you want about Kirk Cousins, he
39:43
was a fourth round pick and he has outplayed what a fourth round pick should
39:46
play. Russell Wilson, Yeah, make fun of him now, but like
39:51
he won a couple of Super Bowls and he was like a third round pick,
39:54
like in the same year that Andrew luck was drafted in Kirk Cousins.
39:58
But like we just never No, you can't. You can't know how guys
40:01
are going to pan out. There's going to be sure things Like even Trevor
40:05
Lawrence, he was the next coming of every great quarterback that's ever lived.
40:09
And he's good right now, Like he's okay, and well he's been in
40:14
the league two years now, and I mean I'd say he's put together two
40:20
pretty good, you know, seasons, but he hasn't been the five thousand
40:23
yard sixty touchdown. Yeah, he may not ever get there, but I
40:29
think i'd say they got to feel better about their draft pick than you know,
40:37
I can't remember two years ago who else was on on the QB board,
40:40
but there's other there's other you know teams out there, and I think
40:45
Trevor Lawrence still has has a sure y. Yeah, I'm not saying he's
40:49
a bad guy, but like, no, I get to what your your
40:51
point is though, Yeah, so it's a lot of pressure that quarterback is
40:55
the most important position in sports. So yeah, it'll definitely be fun to
41:00
see how the draft plays out. I mean, I think obviously we know
41:01
what the Bears are gonna do. The Vikings it's a little bit more of
41:07
an enigma at this point, but I mean in a few short weeks,
41:09
we're gonna know and it'll be what it'll be. I have a little game
41:15
that I think we should play. I came up with this while we were
41:19
sitting here, all right. I love it, and I think this would
41:21
be a good way for us to close. We could take this a few
41:23
different directions, but I was thinking it'd be fun to come up with our
41:30
best beer quarterback comparison. So, for example, I'll just this is a
41:38
silly one, but we'll just say Patrick Mahomes Miller High Life, the Champagne
41:49
of beers, because he's the one that has won the most. And you
41:52
can choose that. So somebody one of us could come up with a quarterback
41:59
that aligns well with the skull hop hoppy American amber, or you could go
42:05
any quarterback, any beer, doesn't matter. But thought that would be kind
42:09
of fun, kind of a metaphor of sorts, comparing beer in quarterbacks.
42:14
I really like the idea. Now and now my head, my brain is
42:17
I've got something working, all right, all right, so you go first.
42:22
Then the beer is not necessarily a specific one. It's a type of
42:27
beer. So if you're familiar with bourbon barrel aged beers, these breweries,
42:34
some of them have hyped up annual releases of their very hyped up, very
42:39
expensive. Sometimes for a bottle you're paying quite what's a what's a good bourbon
42:45
barrel age bottle usually go for like at least twenty bucks. Yeah, if
42:49
it's a variant, Yeah it's twenty to thirty bucks. Doesn't three one two
42:52
out of Chicago come out with a really good one. I'm sure the three
42:55
one two is part of Goose Island. It's Goose Island is who creates the
43:01
bourbon barrel So yeah, these bourbon barrelage very expensive, very hyped up.
43:07
It's not for everybody. Lots of people love them, lots of people don't
43:13
like them. They're a strong flavor and acquired. Sometimes they hitch it too
43:15
hard and because that too hard by a barrelage, we don't need to go
43:22
there. We don't need to go there. That's fair so expensive, hyped
43:29
up, good, but not for everybody. Kirk Cousins. And I'm a
43:36
Kirk Cousins fan. I'm a Kirk Cousins fan. He's only been gone for
43:39
like a month, and ah, I'm a fan. But he's definitely this
43:45
offseason hyped up, expensive, not for everybody, but good bourbon bearrelage,
43:52
Kirks. All right, So going to kind of the same analogy, but
43:57
I'm gonna go with a specific beer. Okay, I'm gonna go Bells too
44:05
hearted, Okay, Okay, it's a it's a beer that is i'd say
44:12
top five for me of all time. It always ranks high and all the
44:17
beer lists of must tries in your lifetime because of it's such success. Tom
44:25
Brady is the goat of of the the I p as I think, all
44:30
right, too Hearted the goat it is the Tom Brady comes from Michigan too.
44:37
He does he doesn't, so does it the beer. So there you
44:43
go. Wow, you took it a step further, even deeper. That
44:49
was pretty good. I teach English, so we always talk about metaphors and
44:52
you got to be able to dig deep on those things. That's a good
44:55
one. Though Too Hearted is definitely in my top five as well. It
45:00
is phenomenal. Do you have anything? I was going to go a little
45:04
bit more of a satirical route, a little bit more of a let's go
45:07
kind of a funny well. I mean, I felt like my Pat Mahomes
45:10
Miller High Life was pretty good. I did say that I forget, but
45:14
that was just that was the example. That wasn't my actual one. I'll
45:21
go with a classic. It's one that I drink a lot in college.
45:29
It's good when you're young, but as you get older, you can't.
45:32
You can't really drink a whole lot of those anymore. They don't taste very
45:37
good. So the beer would be Old Milwaukee the Beast and uh, they're
45:45
cheap, you know, right, you can you can get a thirty pack
45:46
of Old Milwaukee, Milwaukee's best. I was like, old all right,
45:52
all right, Old Milwaukee you can get You can get a thirty pack of
45:55
Old Milwaukee for less than twenty bucks. I think here, maybe it's a
46:00
little more than twenty bucks, but anyways, you can get him for a
46:04
bargain cheaper than almost every other beer. I'm going to go with Russell Wilson
46:09
on this one. I'm gonna throw a little shade on Russell Wilson. The
46:13
Steelers are getting a bargain on him. They are getting a huge bargain on
46:15
him. I think he is the Old Milwaukee of the quarterback market right now.
46:22
Still good. I mean, I would enjoy an Old Milwaukee too,
46:27
But I think he's proven in Denver the last couple of seasons that he just
46:30
doesn't have it like he used to. And that's the way I feel about
46:35
Old Milwaukee. I just don't have the taste for that like I used to
46:39
back in the day. So there, that was pretty good, Evan.
46:43
I liked that one a lot. All right, I got another one.
46:45
Oh, we're doing one more round. We don't all have to do it,
46:50
but we can do two rounds, all right. So I don't know
46:54
if I've ever talked about this specific beer on the podcast, because it's a
46:59
sky beer, but I don't know if we can allow this. It might
47:04
be one of it might be in the category of perfect beers, and me
47:09
saying that Forrest knows exactly what I'm going to say, and you might know
47:12
what I'm going to say. It's a happy one. Forrest makes somewhat frequent
47:17
trips to Wisconsin, and he has an open knowledge that anytime he crosses the
47:24
border and is coming back, he just sends me the Venmo request and brings
47:30
me back a pack of moon Man from New Glaris. So, oh crap,
47:37
Oh yeah, yeah, perfect, perfect beer, nothing wrong with it,
47:43
elevates anything else around it, food, environment, everything else. Paid
47:47
Manning, nice moon Man. Paid Manning is the moon Man of beers of
47:53
quarterbacks. That's a strong metaphor, right there, Paid Manning, the moon
47:58
Man of beers of course, quarterback. Yeah, I said it wrong.
48:01
You did say it wrong. And then I repeated, Peyton Manny, not
48:06
Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning, Peyton. Yeah, are you
48:10
saying Eli is better? Than Peyton. Oh absolutely not okay, and I
48:14
just was making sure that. Yeah, we had clarification of the manning.
48:19
So okay, do you have a second one or do you need a minute?
48:23
I might need I might need another minute. So if you have one,
48:28
go for it, all right. I just to go back to my
48:31
first one really quick. Russell Wilson played at Wisconsin Hold. Milwaukee's from Wisconsin,
48:37
so there's just another connection there that didn't play NC State too. He
48:44
started there and then transferred to one season, like a grad season at Wisconsin.
48:50
Yeah, and then we played for Wisconsin. I think he graduated from
48:53
there. That's where he ended his college career. Oh, I got one.
48:57
Once you go for it? No, you go ahead. I might
49:00
I might need to if you've got one. You So I'm gonna kind of
49:05
go a little darker on this one. Oh no, oh no, so
49:08
darker like dark or dark Tom not not horrible talk. Is this quarterback still
49:15
with us? I mean no, no, So so just hear me out.
49:20
Hear me out. So I'm going with the beer bud Light Oh okay,
49:25
So I mean i I'm I was a big bud Light fan. I
49:30
still drink bud Light, but obviously with all the controversy and everything. Michael
49:35
Vick, Oh, I thought you were going to be different. Number seven,
49:37
I'm gonna I'm gonna put vic Vic as a comparable. Bud Light where
49:43
popular but got into some some major trouble and never really could bounce back.
49:49
He did bounce back, yeah, he never will. Was like season with
49:53
the with the popularity though. Oh yeah, that's fine. I mean bud
49:58
Light's bouncing back from from I'm a sales perspective, but I don't think he'll
50:02
bill ever fully recover. So I thought you were going to go Niners quarterback
50:10
Kaepernick. I thought you were going to go Colin Kaepernick. I could have
50:14
done that, I guess too. But good, I see where you're going.
50:17
That was a good one. Yeah, that was a good one.
50:20
That was a good one. Man. I thought I had one, and
50:23
then it kind of fell apart as I started thinking about it. So I
50:28
have to regroup here. But I think we'll stick with the domestics for now,
50:35
the big popular domestics. Obviously, bud Light has been controversial, as
50:43
you've mentioned, so I know for me personally, I've I've switched my domestic
50:51
allegiance to course course Light. That's I have some in the fridge right now.
50:55
The grounds actually, and actually I feel like for a long time that's
51:00
been my favorite domestic. We'll drink the others. Nothing wrong with it.
51:06
I feel like bush Light kind of got the uh the side effects of the
51:10
bud light because Anheuser Busch owns both. Sure, so they kind of experienced
51:16
the backlash of the bud Light stuff. People stopped buying bush Light. And
51:22
I drank bush Light for a while too, and I don't mind bush Light.
51:24
Yeah, COR's Light has always been kind of my preferred domestic. So
51:30
we'll stick with that as the beer. And uh, just going in line
51:37
with just preferences, steady good, never disappointing, always always performing, always
51:49
doing what is needed, always doing what is required. There have been some
51:53
good quarterbacks mentioned already, but we'll go with We'll go with a class secure
52:00
fran Tarkentin ooh Vikings classic. So are you calling Course Light a Hall of
52:07
fame domestic beer? I would say, I mean it is, you know,
52:14
as long as the mountains times. I'm not saying you're wrong, as
52:16
long as the mountains are blue. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong
52:20
with a good course light. I mean in France, Arkenton, you know,
52:24
he if we could like just peel back the purple, I think we
52:31
would see blue mountains under that jersey. I think we would see blue mountains
52:36
there. All right. So it's maybe not the perfect analogy, but it
52:40
works. This was This was a really good idea. I like, I
52:44
like this game, get off the flag game. We have to play it
52:46
with maybe some other positions down the road. I think you're onto something.
52:51
You figured something out there. Beer and football. Yeah, it's a good
52:55
combination. Can't go wrong. Well, we've had some really good beer that
53:00
we made with our own hands, and so they're both. I mean we'ch
53:04
had two bottles and there's not ten ounces between each of our glasses, so
53:09
we're going to be out of it pretty soon. Vote we still have more
53:13
in the keg, and we're excited to tap that and share that with some
53:16
people here locally. So that'll be fun. Absolutely, also good conversation,
53:23
brew process, very insightful, educational for me, and excited to maybe do
53:29
it again. Absolutely. Oh, I'm one hundred percent on board. So
53:32
in the draft, man lots to look forward to for both the Bears and
53:37
the Viking. So We're gonna be exciting, like you said, for both
53:38
teams just because they're they're eager to get that next franchise quarterback. I think,
53:45
so lots to look forward to for sure. Well we'll wrap it up
53:52
here and real quick. Forrest, thanks for coming on, Thanks for yeah,
53:55
thanks for having me, thanks for being the master brewer, for guiding
54:00
us through the process, coming on the show, being a great conversation piece.
54:05
It's always fun. We appreciate you coming on. You have an open
54:07
invitation anytime you want to come on. Get that. Can you can you
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give us one school for this? How about this? I will say hop
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after you say, oh man, it's still an H word, I'll say
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the whole thing. I'll say the beer, the podcast. All right,
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all right, well here we go for the for the beer. Yeah,
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