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Chuck & Buck 12-22 Hour 4: Coach Breedlove, Issues... the good and the bad and one last thing! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Well, well, well, welcome back to the show. Final hour
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Speaker 1: of the show. No Chuck, He's he's up.
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Speaker 2: Probably at the Winter Poll. I would imagine.
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Speaker 1: Helping rap presence, or I don't know, he may be
0:28
Speaker 1: cleaning out the reindeer stalls. I'm not sure exactly what
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Speaker 1: he's doing, but he deserves some time off. He's getting
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Speaker 1: today and tomorrow off. So it's Ashley and I and
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Speaker 1: we got Hugh Millan in today, which is great because
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Speaker 1: typically on typically on Mondays, we end up doing Coach Bucky. Well,
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Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not going to ask myself questions that
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Speaker 1: would be stupid. So instead we're gonna change it up.
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Speaker 1: And it's not Coach Hugh, it's not Coach Miller. It's
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Speaker 1: Coach Breedlove because I think it's maybe the greatest middle
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Speaker 1: name in the history of middle name. And I know
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Speaker 1: it's a family name, right, is it Grandma's name?
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Speaker 2: Yep?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm sure growing up with that middle name
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Speaker 1: there was probably some teasing going on. But as we
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Speaker 1: grow like as a redheaded, freckle faced kid with the
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Speaker 1: name that rhymes was sucky and other names, it wasn't
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Speaker 1: all that great, but I grew into it. And and
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Speaker 1: uh and found a way. So I'm sure you've done
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Speaker 1: the same with Breedlove is the middle name.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.
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Speaker 3: Think that's fair. There's probably a day I didn't. I
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Speaker 3: didn't like it, but then I saddled one of my
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Speaker 3: sons with it as well.
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Speaker 2: So did you nice? Yeah, good work, breed Love.
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Speaker 1: It's as well and it fits perfect for this because
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Speaker 1: coach breed loves.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, after that, I was basically number one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, give them, give them that one if
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Speaker 1: you will. Well, uh, basically, just the whole thought of
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Speaker 1: this that they end up painting me into some sort
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Speaker 1: of picture of that I wear, like those short bike shorts.
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Speaker 1: You remember the coaching shorts that all the coaches wore. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then the sands belt. Yeah, and then you got
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Speaker 1: the the tube sox pulled all the way up, you know,
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Speaker 1: ty shirt whistle around your neck.
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Speaker 2: So you are wearing that right now.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna pretend that you got the whole coach coach
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Speaker 1: Breedlove outfit.
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Speaker 5: On.
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Speaker 4: Have a cigarette near me, I'll go, I'll go up
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Speaker 4: and flame.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah exactly. All right, Well, we're gonna go
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Speaker 2: over a few topics.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna go over a few topics and get
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Speaker 1: Coach Breedlove's idea on the whole thing. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna just start off with one, the hawks first drive.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody can give a better
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Speaker 1: perspective of this besides Coach Breedlove, because you were a
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Speaker 1: quarterback at one point in time.
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Speaker 2: The idea of these offensive.
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Speaker 1: Minds and even not the other you know, head coaches
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Speaker 1: that have defensive minds, Their offensive coordinator goes out there
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Speaker 1: typically I imagine, and tries to script what they want
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Speaker 1: to do on their first possession, and you gotta.
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Speaker 2: Stay on track. You gotta stay you know, on down.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to fall behind or get sacked, because
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Speaker 1: obviously that's not something they're writing into their script. The
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Speaker 1: Seahawks first possession was the best that they've had in
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Speaker 1: quite some time. We've been talking and for weeks about
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Speaker 1: the slow starts of this offense. Did you see anything
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Speaker 1: other than well, that screen is nice to turn into
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Speaker 1: a forty six yard pass and put us down there,
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Speaker 1: you know, knocking on the doorstep. But do you like
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Speaker 1: the way Clint Kubak does his scripted plays or is
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Speaker 1: that something that's left to be desired to some degree.
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Speaker 2: How are you feeling about their first I liked it.
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Speaker 3: When it was working, you know, for the better part
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Speaker 3: of ten weeks. Seattle was number one and in points
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Speaker 3: in the first half, but then they've kind of fallen off.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: I think the most conspicuous play the boot screen to
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Speaker 3: Canine yep, was a sensational you know. And its structure,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's a mister or it's it's kind of
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Speaker 3: a misdirection on stacked on a misdirection. You're faking the
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Speaker 3: stretch left and then you're faking the quarterback right in
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Speaker 3: a quarterback Darnold sprinting out to the right side.
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Speaker 4: Oh no, we don't.
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Speaker 3: We stop and throw back to Canine, who you fake
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Speaker 3: to the stretch? So so that you know, those type
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Speaker 3: of players are often designed to take advantage of a
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Speaker 3: defense that wants to, you know, flow too much to
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Speaker 3: the ball and not read out their assignments. But uh,
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Speaker 3: I think that that coaches who do the script, they
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Speaker 3: want to get into different formations and personnel groupings to see, okay,
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Speaker 3: how are they going to respond to that? And and
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Speaker 3: then they make the notes and they say, okay, if
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Speaker 3: if you wanted to play with.
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Speaker 4: You know, when we went twelve personnel.
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Speaker 3: And we motioned from uh, you know a two by
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Speaker 3: two to a three by one, how did you respond?
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Speaker 3: What personnel grouping were you? Did you did you run
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Speaker 3: with somebody or did you rock the safeties?
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Speaker 2: What have you?
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Speaker 4: And then you know, did you change your coverage?
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Speaker 3: And and then you say, well, well maybe we can
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Speaker 3: induce you to do that again, and then you have
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Speaker 3: a beater for that coverage, you know, so oh we
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Speaker 3: were able to get you and cover three and rock
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Speaker 3: the safety. Well you know, you know, now we can
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Speaker 3: run the tight end into that area away from your rotation,
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Speaker 3: and so so there's all kinds of plays where you're
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Speaker 3: trying to set it up that way and uh and
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Speaker 3: and yet it's a misnomer to say it's the first
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Speaker 3: fifteen because you're going to deviate off the script unless
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Speaker 3: you have literally like okay, we don't face a third
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Speaker 3: down like were we are executing at such a high level.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're we're eight for eight in those fifteen plays,
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Speaker 3: and the and the seven runs you know, average six
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Speaker 3: and a half yards per with a minimum of five
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Speaker 3: like then you would you're fifteen would be the fifteen,
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Speaker 3: but you usually are going to you run a few
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Speaker 3: of those, then you got to stop for a third
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Speaker 3: and one or a third and eleven, you got to
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Speaker 3: punt the ball and then oh the field position. I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to be able to get back onto my
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Speaker 3: script because I don't like this play, you know, from
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Speaker 3: my own four yard line after the opponent punter just
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Speaker 3: bin it. So that that's kind of some of the
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Speaker 3: stuff we had. But but to me, it's basically simple.
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Speaker 3: If if you're if you're moving and scoring points, then great,
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Speaker 3: you're doing a good job of scripting.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: They need to probably maybe work on rocking the cast
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Speaker 1: BA a little bit. And when they're rocking, you know,
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Speaker 1: rock the safety. Everyone's on the safety and then rock
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Speaker 1: the cast Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, I think it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: I think you mix it in.
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Speaker 3: I know Homegren was always looking to say, hey, if
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Speaker 3: we motion are the rocking the casball.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.
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Speaker 3: That's that's that you can't be unaware of what's happening
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Speaker 3: with the kasbo exactly.
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Speaker 1: Another topic that is going to be highly discussed and
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Speaker 1: I will forever, I think nowadays, just the way that
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Speaker 1: the game is being played there's it typically used to be.
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Speaker 1: You get to fourth down unless you're right on that
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Speaker 1: that edge of can't kick the field goal.
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Speaker 2: It's too far out for the field goal.
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Speaker 1: It's a short fourth and two or fourth and less
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Speaker 1: than one something, then baby, we'll go for it. Other
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Speaker 1: than that, you're paying the team down and trying to
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Speaker 1: make them drive a longer field.
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Speaker 2: That is not the case. There's teams, a lot of them.
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Speaker 1: They trust their offense, they trust the quarterback, they trust
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Speaker 1: that they can get that and they're going for it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Sean McVay I think had four fourth down
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Speaker 1: attempts in the first quarter. Now their first drive ended
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Speaker 1: by not getting one after they had gotten a couple earlier.
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Speaker 1: What is coach breed Love's fourth down philosophy? Has it
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Speaker 1: changed from when you you used to play and when
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Speaker 1: you were used to coach or is it is it
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Speaker 1: the same?
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Speaker 3: Well with you know, coaching kids, nobody cares about that.
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Speaker 3: But we didn't punt because you know your your net
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Speaker 3: change and field positions so little it's not worth it.
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Speaker 4: So we didn't even practice punting.
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Speaker 3: Okay, and I'm being serious and so, but okay, that's
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Speaker 3: not why you're asking.
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Speaker 4: The to me. You know, you've heard the saying there's
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Speaker 4: no two snowflakes are the same.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: I think that there is no two situations that are
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Speaker 3: exactly the same. And I'm being more literal than I sound.
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Speaker 3: You know, home grin is basically anti you know, the metrics,
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Speaker 3: right and the analytics. Some want to coach by the
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Speaker 3: feel some want to go exactly by quote unquote the book.
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Speaker 3: But I think that that's telling you what other teams
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Speaker 3: were doing against your opponent, or what have you, or
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Speaker 3: or an aggregate of what the league says you should do.
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Speaker 3: But you know, particularly as the game develops based on
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Speaker 3: you know what, if the game is scoring half of
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Speaker 3: what you thought. You know, the Vegas had the over
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Speaker 3: under at forty nine and you're sitting there in a
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Speaker 3: thirteen to ten game in the fourth quarter, Well you're
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Speaker 3: going to have a different take on you know. You know,
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Speaker 3: if you feel like your defense is just handling them,
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Speaker 3: you know, three points are more valuable. Then if it's
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Speaker 3: attract meet and everybody's going up and down the you say,
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Speaker 3: wait a minute, I can't kick a field goal here.
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Speaker 3: So I think there's it's a blend of the analytics
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Speaker 3: and the feel for the game. But you know, I
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Speaker 3: think I think Dan Campbell has been an interesting study
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Speaker 3: in that regard because he's been noted to be the
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Speaker 3: most aggressive go for it guy and fourth down and
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Speaker 3: last year when the Lions were fifteen and two, And
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Speaker 3: then I stop for a second on the Lions last
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Speaker 3: year because the NFC North a year ago set the
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Speaker 3: all time record for highest win percentage in the history
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Speaker 3: of the NFL. And I've looked at the list and
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Speaker 3: number five was that Western Division in nineteen thirty five. Like,
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Speaker 3: this is a division, this is a record that goes
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Speaker 3: back a long time, the NFC North and the Lions.
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Speaker 3: Out of thirty two teams in the NFL, there was
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Speaker 3: only one team that went six to zero in their
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Speaker 3: Division one team and it was the Lions. And again
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Speaker 3: in the toughest the highest division winning percentage in history.
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Speaker 3: By the way, they the second place was the twenty
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Speaker 3: thirteen NFC West when the x won the Super Bowl. Right, so,
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Speaker 3: but but the NFC North surpassed it.
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Speaker 4: Anyways, I divert so here, Dan Campbell a year ago
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Speaker 4: was fifteen and.
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Speaker 3: Two in the the most competitive division in NFL history.
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Speaker 3: And it's like everything that he hit was right. A
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Speaker 3: year later, everything he hits is wrong. His fourth downs
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Speaker 3: have been abysmal, and and the kind where you just
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Speaker 3: shake your head and everybody just says, well, Dan Gambill's
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Speaker 3: gonna keep on doing that. Well, you got a bit
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Speaker 3: of different team this year. I your offensive line isn't
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Speaker 3: what it was, and so so.
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Speaker 2: At any event that would be.
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Speaker 3: My take is it's every single decision is unique to
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Speaker 3: its right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the ability to adjust to it
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Speaker 1: is something that the best coaches are good at, and
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Speaker 1: the ones they're middle of the ground, they tend to
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Speaker 1: kind of stick to what they thought going into it
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Speaker 1: and don't necessarily make adjustments. We shall see if it coach,
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Speaker 1: if if any coaches make adjustments to that whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Coach of the year, what's coach Breed Love's take. Who
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Speaker 1: you're voting for a Coach of the year right now?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think in the NFC, I think it's Kyle Shanahan,
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Speaker 3: maybe Ben Johnson, But you know, you say Ben Johnson
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Speaker 3: because they're eleven four, where do they come from? And
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Speaker 3: so you give the nod butt Their quarterback has been healthy.
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Speaker 3: The forty nine ers have had to deal with a
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Speaker 3: lot more injuries, including at the quarterback position, so you
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Speaker 3: vote for that at the end of the season. So
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Speaker 3: I would say that if the forty nine Ers end
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Speaker 3: up as the number one seed, which means to see
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Speaker 3: loss at least one of the next two games. But
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Speaker 3: if the forty nine Ers end up as the number
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Speaker 3: one seed, given everything that they've had to deal with
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Speaker 3: with injuries, Kyle Shanahan would be your NFC guy. And
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Speaker 3: then you say, well, what about Verbel at New England?
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Speaker 3: Now he has not had to deal with He's got
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Speaker 3: a number three overall quarterback in Drake May that is
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Speaker 3: coming into his own but the substantial gain from a
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Speaker 3: year ago is just too much to ignore. So I
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Speaker 3: would say that probably probably Vrabel, you know, Sean Payton, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, would be in consideration. But I think it
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Speaker 3: would come down to Shanahan versus Verbel right now as today,
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Speaker 3: given that San Francisco is the number six seed and
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Speaker 3: ten to four, I'd probably say Verybel one Shanahan two. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but that that could change.
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Speaker 2: Right, I'm with you on that.
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Speaker 1: I think Liam Cohen is probably trying to make a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a run two and Jackson.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he discussed him earlier Lwrence or Lawrence.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there are only one game behind New England.
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Speaker 3: So anything that you say about about New England, you
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Speaker 3: could say about Jacksonville, right, yep y, But New England
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Speaker 3: was even further down and you got a younger quarterback.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you wanted to really just like parse
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Speaker 3: out all these elements, I think Rabel would be a
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Speaker 3: little bit more worthy of Liam Colm. But absolutely Colin
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Speaker 3: should get a lot of consideration.
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Speaker 1: Right, all right, Well, I got one more for coach
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Speaker 1: Breedlove and and you know you've been a giant fan
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Speaker 1: of DK Metcalf and what he brings to the table. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: you know, probably a little irritated and the fact that
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Speaker 1: he's gone, and the fact that he never really was
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Speaker 1: used the way that that coach Breedlove and coach Hugh
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Speaker 1: Millan would have used him. And yet he got kind
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Speaker 1: of caught up in an ugly situation. Who knows what
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Speaker 1: was said at this point in time, but apparently somebody
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Speaker 1: a fan of the opposing team ends up last night
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Speaker 1: during the line Steelers game. He ends up kind of
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Speaker 1: looks like he's kind of grabbing him, maybe holding on
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Speaker 1: to his shirt or something and then takes a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a swipe. I don't know if he hits
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Speaker 1: him or not. I would imagine that that guy sees
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Speaker 1: dollar signs at this point in time, he's gonna say
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Speaker 1: that he hit him. But I mean to me, as
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Speaker 1: a former athlete, you, as a former athlete, there's got
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Speaker 1: to be a line, and the line has stopped somewhere
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Speaker 1: short of putting your hands on somebody, regardless of what
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Speaker 1: they say. And that sucks to say, but it's kind
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Speaker 1: of part of your job. You're gonna get you're gonna
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Speaker 1: get heckled. He doesn't handle that very well. But this
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Speaker 1: is the ugliest incident. What does a coach Breedlove think
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Speaker 1: about the DK situation?
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Speaker 3: Well, more or less what you just articulated, there's exactly
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Speaker 3: zero tolerance or excuse or any kind of rationalizing a
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Speaker 3: way what he did. It's it's intolerable. It is a
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Speaker 3: very poor look on him. Primarily it's a poor look
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Speaker 3: on this Steelers. It's a poor look on the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Uh there's no place for it none. There's no excusing,
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Speaker 3: you know, talking to a buddy, Well, apparently uh DK
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Speaker 3: said that somebody used the N word. If that's true.
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Speaker 3: That is very unfortunate. You know, in twenty twenty five
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Speaker 3: that any any person could you know, a white person
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Speaker 3: could use that word to a black person, you know,
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Speaker 3: but that still would not excuse you're a professional athlete,
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Speaker 3: because you know what if you were, if you say,
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Speaker 3: well that that gives a guy a reason to punch
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Speaker 3: a fan, then we're gonna be have having played and
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Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, idiots are going to incite
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Speaker 3: players to punch, you know, and then they get suspended,
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Speaker 3: and you know, get it. Oh, let me let me
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Speaker 3: see if I can suspend you know, Davante Adams. You know,
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Speaker 3: we're playing the Rams, you know, and then a fan
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Speaker 3: could do that boom, and then and then a guy
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Speaker 3: takes a swipe at him. So no, there's no there's
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Speaker 3: nothing I can say. There's no qualifiers. It's an absolute
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Speaker 3: horrendous look. Yes, and and totally unexcusable and unforgivable. I
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Speaker 3: got nothing, no word in his defense whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't either. I'm with you. It sucks.
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Speaker 2: There's times.
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I never had anything that would resemble
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Speaker 1: that if somebody used the N word.
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Speaker 2: I never had anything like that.
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Speaker 1: But again, you know, we can started this segment talking
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Speaker 1: about how you know, childhood at times wasn't all that
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Speaker 1: fun for a little redheaded, freckle faced kid with a
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Speaker 1: name that you know rhymes with the F word. And
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Speaker 1: yet once I got to professional sports, and I was
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Speaker 1: a pretty easy target for the opposing fans, right, the
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Speaker 1: biggest guy out there. I was bald, I'm fallically challenged,
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Speaker 1: So there's that easy one that they would just say, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're you're too fat to play baseball. I enjoyed it, actually,
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Speaker 1: I actually kind of ate it up. I would actually
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Speaker 1: turn and yeah and start having a conversation with him, right,
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Speaker 1: And then if you got to do what I wanted
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Speaker 1: to do, which was go yard, then I would come
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Speaker 1: back and be like, did you enjoy that? Was that
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Speaker 1: was that fun for you? Like I would kind of
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Speaker 1: eat it up a little bit. I turned opposing fans
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Speaker 1: sections into like my cheering section by handling it the
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Speaker 1: right way. In my opinion, this is not the right way.
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Speaker 1: But and now he's gonna get fine. But let's try
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Speaker 1: to spend it. Let's straw a distinction there.
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Speaker 3: And I know you're not saying this, but let's let's
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Speaker 3: just make sure we're drawn as a distinction. You getting
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Speaker 3: teased for your name or being freckled is at a
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Speaker 3: different level than a black person in America being called
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Speaker 3: a funderboard, right, Like, you have to have early middle
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Speaker 3: school education to understand the magnitude of that. So you
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Speaker 3: know that that fan uh if he said that, it's
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Speaker 3: a disgrace, But you know what, DK got to be
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Speaker 3: above it.
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Speaker 4: Or if you can't wear a professional uniform. And by
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Speaker 4: the way, you punched a guy wearing a blue wig,
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Speaker 4: that didn't get you any freaking tough guy points on
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Speaker 4: any scale.
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Speaker 1: Right, Well, maybe maybe that's what started it. Maybe he
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Speaker 1: said my blue hair looks better than your blue hair.
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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's maybe that's triggered him.
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Speaker 4: If so, DK triggered for less.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Well that's the the whole idea of not being able
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Speaker 1: to control yourself. I agree, there's nothing about what I
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Speaker 1: got hazed or heckled that comes close to anything like
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Speaker 1: that that. You're right, that is just plain and simple
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Speaker 1: on all levels.
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Speaker 3: I'm just responding to, you know, possible speculator like, I'm
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Speaker 3: not saying that as fact. I hope I said if indeed,
19:03
Speaker 3: worst like The most charitable you could be for DK
19:07
Speaker 3: is if you want, if you like, if somebody said
19:09
Speaker 3: pistol to your head, you got to somehow, in the
19:12
Speaker 3: court of a public opinion, diffuse what DK Metcalf did. Well,
19:16
Speaker 3: if you were charged with that task, you'd say, well,
19:19
Speaker 3: they called him the N word, and you know what,
19:23
Speaker 3: that is justifiably incendiary and inflammatory and and it should
19:28
Speaker 3: shock everybody if that happened. And yet even still, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'd say that is not an excuse for what he did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you one hundred percent.
19:40
Speaker 1: It can make you want to punch somebody and then
19:42
Speaker 1: you have to go can I certain times, No, there's
19:45
Speaker 1: there's times that I.
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Speaker 2: Chose to play.
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Speaker 3: You chose to play a team sport. You didn't play golf,
19:51
Speaker 3: you didn't play tennis, you didn't wrestle. You played a
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Speaker 3: team sport. You have an obligation to your teammates. Tigers
20:00
Speaker 3: are badass and lions are badass. But there's a difference.
20:03
Speaker 3: Tigers live and dwell solo. Lions are part of a pride.
20:09
Speaker 3: They have to fit into a social structure. When you
20:12
Speaker 3: play football, you're a lion, not a tiger.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right on, well said all right.
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Speaker 1: On the other side, I want to get Hugh and
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Speaker 1: try to get Ashley in on this one as well.
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Speaker 1: We're going to try to figure out what your favorite
20:23
Speaker 1: thing and least favorite thing about the Seahawks is right
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Speaker 1: now on Sports Radio ninety three point three KGRFM. Tease
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Speaker 1: this as kind of wanting to get to what is
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Speaker 1: your favorite thing?
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Speaker 2: Right?
20:34
Speaker 1: I mean, you're this time of year, you got the holidays,
20:36
Speaker 1: should be a kind of a positive situation, and yet
20:39
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to leave it at just that,
20:41
Speaker 1: So I'll just go cut and dry. What's your favorite
20:44
Speaker 1: or most pressing issue with the Seahawks at this point
20:48
Speaker 1: when you've watched them play.
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Speaker 2: The entire season up to this point, and what's your.
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Speaker 1: What's your your favorite thing I suppose you'd say about
20:57
Speaker 1: watching this team?
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Speaker 3: Uh, most pressing is the offensive line. Okay, I think
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Speaker 3: particularly on the inside of the offensive line. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: I think sometimes the center gets trucked. I think he's
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Speaker 3: a really good athlete, but I think he's got power issues.
21:15
Speaker 3: I said, you know, and in one of those uh
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Speaker 3: one of those superstars competition, I think he would win
21:23
Speaker 3: the obstacle course race against other NFL centers, but he
21:27
Speaker 3: would lose the keg toss over the pole vault bar
21:31
Speaker 3: got me and and so that that just is the
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Speaker 3: you know, going to continue to be the the I
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Speaker 3: don't know anchor if you will, of the team until
21:42
Speaker 3: we see otherwise does.
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Speaker 1: That effect Do you dislike that more because of the
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Speaker 1: way in which it affects a run game or do
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Speaker 1: you dislike it more because of the disruption that it?
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Speaker 2: Great question in the passing game?
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Speaker 4: Great question.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: I think that they have been kind of equal opportunity,
22:03
Speaker 3: you know, restricts in both capacities and and it generally
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Speaker 3: when they have a most of the time, if they
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Speaker 3: have a bad game in one phase, they're also having
22:15
Speaker 3: a bad game in the other phase. There's very few
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Speaker 3: few games where you say, oh wow.
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Speaker 6: They protect great, but they were horrible and run blocking
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Speaker 6: or vice versa.
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Speaker 1: So yeahs As for I was just going to say,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm with you on that, and yet
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Speaker 1: I don't. To me, it's the it's the idea of obviously,
22:37
Speaker 1: how is it, how does how does it negative if
22:40
Speaker 1: negatively affect you the most? Where it's like we see
22:44
Speaker 1: at times when they can just create a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a seam. We saw it on Thursday, and all
22:48
Speaker 1: of a sudden, ken Walker can hit that thing, or
22:51
Speaker 1: even Zach Charmoney when he's going to get his touches,
22:53
Speaker 1: because they're not going to just go thirty thirty carries
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Speaker 1: for ken Walker. As much as a lot of people
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Speaker 1: wish they would that he's getting four or five six yards,
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Speaker 1: that he's kind of running tough even though he can't
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Speaker 1: take it.
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Speaker 2: To the house.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet the idea of getting blown up, which
23:08
Speaker 1: we have seen Sundell or even Oluwa Timmy when he
23:11
Speaker 1: was in there get blown up. And now that guy's
23:13
Speaker 1: there's two big, you know, massive humans right in Darnold's face.
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Speaker 1: If he can you know, get out of the pocket
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Speaker 1: and get out of the way, then okay, he can
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Speaker 1: make the throws on the run. If he tries to
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Speaker 1: make it there, then we've seen that oftentimes land in
23:25
Speaker 1: the in the belly of an opponent.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: I would say that my thing that I dislike the
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Speaker 1: most is just that interior offensive line where it feels like, boy,
23:36
Speaker 1: this is a volatile place that you don't want either way,
23:39
Speaker 1: whether you're running or passing right there. So how about
23:42
Speaker 1: pleasant things, things that you like the most, about what
23:45
Speaker 1: you're seeing so far.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's five phases of a team roughly,
23:50
Speaker 3: I think how you run it, how you throw it,
23:52
Speaker 3: how you defend the run, how you defend the pass,
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Speaker 3: and special teams. I think they're all about twenty percent.
23:57
Speaker 3: And I think that what the Seahawks do best of
23:59
Speaker 3: those five if you can see that for this discussion,
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Speaker 3: stopping the run is the best thing that they do.
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Speaker 3: The football team does they you know, for the season
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Speaker 3: wide and you know they have a great way that
24:13
Speaker 3: they build a wall. There's you know, Byron Murphy, when
24:17
Speaker 3: I say build a wall, let me explain what I mean.
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Speaker 3: There's there's terms, three terms types of defensive line play
24:24
Speaker 3: you can have. You can be a one gap, penetrating
24:27
Speaker 3: defensive line that just like Tampa Bay in two thousand
24:31
Speaker 3: and two they won a Super Bowl and they were like, hey,
24:33
Speaker 3: just get up field. And then you can have two
24:37
Speaker 3: a two gapping defensive line where they're not trying to penetrate,
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Speaker 3: they're trying to hold up the offensive lineman and then
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Speaker 3: as the name implies, be able to respond to the
24:49
Speaker 3: inside gap or the outside gap and then allow you
24:53
Speaker 3: know linebackers to flow and make tackles. The Seahawks are
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Speaker 3: more the latter, but really a gap and a half.
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Speaker 3: They'll they'll they'll they'll go into gap, but they won't
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Speaker 3: try and penetrate. They won't try and get be disruptive
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Speaker 3: into the backfield. They'll just hold their They'll get into
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Speaker 3: that gap and hold the ground at the lion of scrimmage.
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Speaker 3: And they're trying to force the running back to spill
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Speaker 3: the play to the outside where then they can flow
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Speaker 3: inside out on it. And and so their schematics and
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Speaker 3: with Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy, I I when I
25:30
Speaker 3: watch the tape, you know, and you watch on offensive
25:33
Speaker 3: line play by defensive line play, by the end zone copy.
25:36
Speaker 3: That's how the players watch it. And so Monday morning
25:40
Speaker 3: I watched the All twenty two for the passing game,
25:43
Speaker 3: and but then offensive line play I watch on the
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Speaker 3: end zone copy.
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Speaker 6: And it takes a lot of strength to be a
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Speaker 6: Sea Ok defensive lineman. I mean you gotta just anchor
25:53
Speaker 6: to I mean, every freaking play is just you know,
25:58
Speaker 6: you're wrestling, you know, a full grown elk, you know,
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Speaker 6: on every freaking play, and and you know it's like, damn,
26:06
Speaker 6: that takes a lot of strength to do what they do,
26:09
Speaker 6: and so you got to be young and virile and
26:13
Speaker 6: and have a rotation. But they've been able to do
26:15
Speaker 6: it schematically and they got the parts to do it.
26:17
Speaker 6: So yeah, stop, there's my answer to your question how
26:20
Speaker 6: they stop the run because that that sets up you know,
26:24
Speaker 6: it's like it's like being a pitcher, you know, in
26:29
Speaker 6: one or even an you know you're trying to get
26:31
Speaker 6: to an O two count.
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Speaker 4: You know, third and long is in an O two count.
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Speaker 3: Right, like you you play the percentages out right, you know,
26:38
Speaker 3: and you know the defenses. You know, picture's gonna win
26:41
Speaker 3: on O two counts if you just got to get there, right,
26:44
Speaker 3: you're gonna win on third and long defensively, you just
26:48
Speaker 3: got to get there. So first and first down, if
26:51
Speaker 3: you're successful like they've been, you create the long longer
26:54
Speaker 3: yard is on third down the number.
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Speaker 4: Are you gonna occasionally give up some third nines and third?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Uh, Matthew Stafford ripped you for a third and nine
27:03
Speaker 3: early in the third quarter, right after K nine scored
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Speaker 3: that it was exactly third and nine, and so you're
27:08
Speaker 3: gonna give up some of them, just like you're gonna
27:11
Speaker 3: give up an O two, you know, double in the gap.
27:13
Speaker 3: But you like your percentages. You can get to as
27:16
Speaker 3: many O twos. You like your percentages, you get to
27:18
Speaker 3: as many third and longs, and you do that by
27:20
Speaker 3: stopping the run.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: Although there's one of the more demoralizing things when you
27:24
Speaker 1: do well on first and second down and you create
27:26
Speaker 1: third and long and then they can they convert it. That's,
27:29
Speaker 1: first of all, a lot of the Broncos game. The
27:32
Speaker 1: next play, Mine would probably just be JSN, even though
27:36
Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't take much to be talked into,
27:39
Speaker 1: you know, your where your head's at as well, but
27:42
Speaker 1: just JSN, just that we saw him last year, you know,
27:45
Speaker 1: had kind of a breakout season and a good year
27:47
Speaker 1: and yet to jump from where he was last year,
27:51
Speaker 1: his first year to this year. I don't know for
27:54
Speaker 1: sure if many people saw that coming. It's been a
27:56
Speaker 1: pretty pleasant surprise.
27:57
Speaker 3: I would say, well, yeah, if you're talking individuals, I
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Speaker 3: was kind of talking more phases, but yeah, we can
28:04
Speaker 3: coexist on these opinions, right, And you know, look, JSN,
28:10
Speaker 3: I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
28:13
Speaker 3: he had been overwhelmingly a slot receiver at Ohio State
28:18
Speaker 3: and then his first couple of years in the NFL. This,
28:21
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is a big deal about if you're
28:24
Speaker 3: going to talk about JSN, I don't think you can
28:26
Speaker 3: tell the story of JSN in twenty twenty five without
28:29
Speaker 3: discussing this fact. He's always been a slot receiver and
28:32
Speaker 3: now he's private predominant almost by a two to one
28:35
Speaker 3: racial he's an outside receiver. It's a different skill set.
28:38
Speaker 3: In the slot, you're using more moxie and football intelligence,
28:42
Speaker 3: and hey do I idle down in between these linebackers.
28:45
Speaker 3: Where outside you're going against the defense's best athlete, those corners,
28:52
Speaker 3: and you've just got to find a way with your
28:54
Speaker 3: skill set and your technique to create separation. I thought
28:58
Speaker 3: that was a potential concern about his game because he
29:03
Speaker 3: hadn't proven it on any consistent basis. Well, you know,
29:08
Speaker 3: you can wad those concerns up and throw him in
29:10
Speaker 3: the garbage scan. I mean, he's just he's showing what
29:13
Speaker 3: a complete receiver he is and he's going to be
29:15
Speaker 3: first team All Pro and and he did and.
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Speaker 4: He deserves it.
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Speaker 3: And what a humble guy too, Like the game that
29:21
Speaker 3: what what game did he that they almost got nothing.
29:24
Speaker 3: I'd have to look at the game log, but but
29:27
Speaker 3: he had just this total whatever you think of a
29:31
Speaker 3: Prima Donna wide receiver, he was anti Prima Donna. And
29:36
Speaker 3: so he's show like, I don't know, I can't imagine
29:39
Speaker 3: anybody in this city not adoring this guy.
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Speaker 4: Very good app Okay, yeah, yes, comparison there.
29:52
Speaker 2: I mean, just just humility.
29:54
Speaker 1: It's ok while you're kicking everybody's ass.
29:57
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it's it's quite enjoyable for
29:59
Speaker 2: a face.
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Speaker 4: And then our favorite athletes, it's mine.
30:02
Speaker 1: Some people like the Bravado. It's just not my cup
30:05
Speaker 1: of tea. So all right, well we got one last
30:07
Speaker 1: thing coming up after this. Stick around here at Sports
30:10
Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, Welcome back to the
30:22
Speaker 1: show Chuck Buck in the Morning with Ashley Ryan.
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Speaker 2: By the way, Ashley, I don't know, have you ever
30:28
Speaker 2: watched ink Master?
30:29
Speaker 6: No?
30:30
Speaker 3: I am not.
30:30
Speaker 2: Well there's a gallon there.
30:32
Speaker 1: She won ink Master one time and her name is
30:34
Speaker 1: Ryan Ashley, And it's one of our kind of just
30:37
Speaker 1: like zone out that you don't have to think about it.
30:40
Speaker 1: TV shows will watch every once along when every time
30:42
Speaker 1: I see her, I think of you because her name's
30:43
Speaker 1: Ryan Ashley.
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Speaker 5: You're like, oh, she's almost got the best name ever.
30:45
Speaker 6: But it's backwards.
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Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. Well, today has been a day without Chuck.
30:50
Speaker 1: He's getting a couple of days off leading into Christmas,
30:52
Speaker 1: even Christmas Day, and yet we got the pleasure of
30:55
Speaker 1: having Hugh Milling in for us to help kind of
30:57
Speaker 1: break some stuff down and great, great work as usual.
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Speaker 2: Hugh.
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Speaker 3: Do you got a one last thing for us? Thank
31:04
Speaker 3: you for the nice words. Yeah, you know, we've been
31:07
Speaker 3: on four hours. The words Sam Donald have not come
31:11
Speaker 3: out of our mouths. And I just want to dwell
31:17
Speaker 3: on some numbers here for a second. Sam Donald as
31:22
Speaker 3: tied for the highest win percentage this year twenty twenty
31:25
Speaker 3: five with Bo Nicks, who we're talking about quarterback win percentage.
31:29
Speaker 3: If you go over the last two seasons, Sam Donald
31:33
Speaker 3: is number one in the NFL over the last two seasons.
31:37
Speaker 3: And you say, well, that does that count playoffs either way?
31:41
Speaker 3: You want to do just regular season, he's number one.
31:43
Speaker 3: You want to do playoffs, he's number one. And in fact,
31:47
Speaker 3: you go back to his career really changed On November
31:51
Speaker 3: twenty seventh, twenty twenty two, that was the first time
31:54
Speaker 3: he had sat. He watched eleven games as a Carolina Panther.
31:58
Speaker 3: Where you're playing this week obviously, and then he had
32:02
Speaker 3: six starts started for a game for San Francisco, Minnesota
32:08
Speaker 3: and Seattle. So this so since twenty twenty two, those
32:13
Speaker 3: these four seasons, that's Sam Donald with four different coaches,
32:18
Speaker 3: four different offensive systems, four different set of receivers to
32:23
Speaker 3: with whom to acquire cohesion. I'm gonna give you that
32:28
Speaker 3: the I'm gonna go Letterman style real quick. These are
32:32
Speaker 3: the win percentages over the last since twenty twenty two.
32:36
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford number ten, Joe Burrow number nine, then Rock Purdy,
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Speaker 3: Jared Goff, Mar Jackson six, Boon Nicks five, Patrick Mahomes four,
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen three, Jalen Hurts two, Sam Donald number one
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Speaker 3: and he now, let's just go back to this year
32:53
Speaker 3: as a Seahawk number one in the NFL and twenty
32:56
Speaker 3: plus yards play percent number one in the NFL, and
32:59
Speaker 3: net yards per ten number one in the NFL. Yards
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Speaker 3: per attempt number one in percentage of his passes that
33:05
Speaker 3: are fifteen yards or more completions over fifty yards, like, look,
33:11
Speaker 3: there are better quarterbacks in the NFL, but this guy's
33:14
Speaker 3: having a hell of a season. He's become a damn
33:17
Speaker 3: good quarterback. And I hope we just can get behind
33:21
Speaker 3: him when there's a little bit of a struggle for
33:24
Speaker 3: a series or two in the first half, and you know,
33:27
Speaker 3: kind of help along the way. Maybe that's an old
33:30
Speaker 3: fashioned thought, but you know, the guy kind of deserves
33:33
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, just let's let's let him do
33:35
Speaker 3: his job.
33:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. I think he's
33:39
Speaker 1: definitely been better than what was here just recently before,
33:43
Speaker 1: and so he needs a little bit of grace when
33:45
Speaker 1: he actually isn't perfect.
33:46
Speaker 2: Asked you got one last day? I do.
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Speaker 5: I just think one of the one of the things
33:50
Speaker 5: that has really sucked about the way that college football
33:52
Speaker 5: has gone is the basically the what's happened with the rivalries?
33:58
Speaker 4: Right?
33:58
Speaker 5: A lot of the rivalries aren't the same. Look at
34:00
Speaker 5: the Apple Cup, that's not the same anymore. One of
34:02
Speaker 5: the things that at least was still intact was USC
34:04
Speaker 5: Notre Dame, and now it looks like that is actually
34:06
Speaker 5: going to be coming to an end. USC and Notre Dame.
34:10
Speaker 5: They're saying, according to Ross Ellinger of Yahoo, that it'll
34:13
Speaker 5: end next year and Notre Dame is finalizing a two
34:16
Speaker 5: year deal with BYU instead.
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Speaker 2: I just think that's sad.
34:18
Speaker 5: That's like been one of the gems about college football
34:21
Speaker 5: is the rival reason. If you take them away, that's
34:23
Speaker 5: just a sad place to be.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't say it any better. Have you said it
34:28
Speaker 3: very succinctly. I completely concur I think it's brutal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I agree. I agree.
34:34
Speaker 1: I always like beating up on Oregon State. It is
34:37
Speaker 1: something fun and hopefully it never goes away.
34:40
Speaker 6: Hopefully for you it never goes to.
34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully even those rodents.
34:44
Speaker 1: Anyways, Well, anyway, Hugh, I wasn't lying, man, Thanks for
34:47
Speaker 1: jumping on here.
34:48
Speaker 2: It's easy doing the show with you.
34:50
Speaker 1: It is like just sitting out on the patio and
34:53
Speaker 1: chopping it up and talking about some sports. So hopefully
34:55
Speaker 1: the listeners enjoyed it. I enjoyed it, so thank you man.
34:59
Speaker 2: That catch you.
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Speaker 3: The pleasure was mine. Merry Christmas to both of you,
35:04
Speaker 3: thanks for having me.
35:05
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you too.
35:06
Speaker 1: To Mia, Shelley said hello and give the give the
35:09
Speaker 1: boys some knuckles for me and Merry Christmas, doll.
35:12
Speaker 2: All right, Merry Christmas to everybody.
35:13
Speaker 1: Ash thank you very much for hanging in there with me,
35:17
Speaker 1: and we will be back tomorrow one more show before
35:20
Speaker 1: we head off for our Christmas vacation. Up next, we
35:24
Speaker 1: got MJ in the midday and I think Ashley Ryan correct,
35:29
Speaker 1: all right, kid gets the day off because Ashley is
35:31
Speaker 1: a saint. All right, Everybody stick around here. You got
35:35
Speaker 1: MJ and Ash up next. Sports Radio ninety three point
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