Latest / Best of the NFL Podcast Network / Browns vs. Broncos MNF Recap, Week 14 Rookie Draft & Bryce Young's Development
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- 0:00Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
- 0:07Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky,
- 0:09Speaker 2: Rhett back with us here. First of all, rhtt nice
- 0:13Speaker 2: of you to come back to school, man, skip a
- 0:14Speaker 2: couple of classes and no, man, I appreciate it.
- 0:17Speaker 3: Man.
- 0:17Speaker 1: We had we had quite a Thanksgiving week, you know,
- 0:20Speaker 1: the whole our whole house was dealing with the flu. Family, like,
- 0:25Speaker 1: both sides of the family were in town.
- 0:26Speaker 3: Kids were You're getting.
- 0:28Speaker 2: On both sides after the flu. I was like, we
- 0:30Speaker 2: don't need to go no, no, just the rest of
- 0:34Speaker 2: the okay, good good.
- 0:35Speaker 1: But we're we're on the up and up now. And
- 0:38Speaker 1: you know that's uh, that's kind of where I've been
- 0:41Speaker 1: all year long. And the Fantasy draft is the up
- 0:43Speaker 1: and up.
- 0:44Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is believable. The rookie draft, the
- 0:48Speaker 2: rookie Draft is coming uh here in a little bit. Buck,
- 0:51Speaker 2: By the way, is this How did our two programs
- 0:54Speaker 2: go from you know, top twenty five matchups to now
- 0:57Speaker 2: we're both you're trying to replace your former coach, apps
- 1:00Speaker 2: try places my former teammate. It's a weird time, man.
- 1:03Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird. I'm trying to find the Signetti model.
- 1:08Speaker 2: It's true, Actually, it's true.
- 1:10Speaker 4: It is true.
- 1:11Speaker 5: It is such a weird uh space, and college football
- 1:14Speaker 5: is weird in general, just because we're seeing so many
- 1:17Speaker 5: coming and going and and everybody being fired and everyone's
- 1:21Speaker 5: trying to find I guess a little little magic in
- 1:24Speaker 5: a little lightning in the bottle. But it's a crazy
- 1:26Speaker 5: time in the nil transfer porter Era just makes it
- 1:30Speaker 5: where everything is quick, big fixes, trying to quickly.
- 1:35Speaker 2: By the way, is that the yard guys, buck? Who
- 1:37Speaker 2: we got here? Normally the dogs go when the yard
- 1:40Speaker 2: guys come, Well, yeah, the yard.
- 1:42Speaker 4: The yard people always come right at this time.
- 1:44Speaker 5: I don't know why ten o'clock is their times. The
- 1:48Speaker 5: neighbors yards and so like my dog has an issue
- 1:52Speaker 5: with blowers and weed eaters, Like if she sees a
- 1:56Speaker 5: weed eater and a blow, it drives her absolutely crazy.
- 2:00Speaker 4: And so he's looking out the window.
- 2:03Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of him either, to be honest,
- 2:06Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. All right, it's time for
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- 2:12Speaker 2: So do you go further? With T Mobile for business. Buck,
- 2:16Speaker 2: I'll get to you first on this one.
- 2:18Speaker 4: Man.
- 2:18Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos are rolling. This is a it's a
- 2:21Speaker 2: playoff team right now as constructed, and you have to
- 2:25Speaker 2: feel good if you're a Bronco fan because this is
- 2:28Speaker 2: year one with bow Knicks together with Sean Payton. I mean,
- 2:30Speaker 2: this is only going to get better.
- 2:32Speaker 4: It's only going to get better.
- 2:33Speaker 5: And here's what I say, because bow Nicks is certainly
- 2:36Speaker 5: coming into his own I feel like it's the evolution
- 2:39Speaker 5: of a young quarterback going from game manager to playmaker.
- 2:43Speaker 5: In each week, Sean Payton gives him a little more
- 2:47Speaker 5: to do, and he's given him full command of the offense.
- 2:50Speaker 5: They're able to do things that no one expected the
- 2:53Speaker 5: Broncos to be competitive, much less a playoff contender. But
- 2:56Speaker 5: the young quarterback certainly has him going. But I will
- 2:58Speaker 5: say is all of the pieces of the polls are working.
- 3:02Speaker 5: The offensive line, I'll performing what we thought there would be.
- 3:05Speaker 5: The playmakers. I thought the entire offseason they're trying to
- 3:08Speaker 5: get rid of Courtland Sudden, But now I look up.
- 3:10Speaker 2: He's playing great man.
- 3:11Speaker 5: He cats in every big past and they're doing things
- 3:14Speaker 5: with the Marvin Mems catching the big pass. I will
- 3:17Speaker 5: say this because it's going to make it harder for
- 3:20Speaker 5: coaches who say they have to deal with salary cap restraints.
- 3:24Speaker 5: Sean Payton is able to take a team that did
- 3:26Speaker 5: a salary cap dump and Russell Wilson and the tall better.
- 3:32Speaker 4: It is unbelievable.
- 3:34Speaker 5: So it just is a lesson that no matter what
- 3:37Speaker 5: we talk about when it comes to the sellar cap,
- 3:39Speaker 5: did no excuses. Great coaches find a way to win
- 3:42Speaker 5: in spite of it all. And he has found a
- 3:44Speaker 5: way to win in spite of the restraints that he
- 3:46Speaker 5: has on him based on the cellar cap.
- 3:48Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say that too.
- 3:49Speaker 1: And I say, you know, the commitment to the run game,
- 3:52Speaker 1: you know, has obviously been a bonus for Bonicks and
- 3:55Speaker 1: really for the for the Broncos team. Jolil McLoughlin, you know,
- 3:58Speaker 1: is the leading rusher in this one. Adric Estimee has
- 4:01Speaker 1: been up there for them, Javonte Williams still on that team.
- 4:04Speaker 4: You know.
- 4:05Speaker 3: The one thing that I'm kind.
- 4:05Speaker 1: Of excited about is and I thought this more so,
- 4:09Speaker 1: you know, more so in recent weeks than it was
- 4:11Speaker 1: necessarily in this game. But Marvin Mims kind of feels
- 4:14Speaker 1: like that Darren Sproles, this kind of piece that that
- 4:17Speaker 1: Sean Payton has had, right, you can kind of kind
- 4:19Speaker 1: of use him in a bunch of different ways. They
- 4:21Speaker 1: did give m a kerry in this game. I didn't
- 4:23Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't wasn't truly impactful. But he just
- 4:25Speaker 1: feels like one of those one of those kind of
- 4:28Speaker 1: utility toys that Sean Payton has always had in one way,
- 4:31Speaker 1: shape or form or another, you know, whether it was
- 4:33Speaker 1: you know Sprolls, Reggie, you know, Brandon Cooks when when
- 4:37Speaker 1: he got drafted there initially kind of used in those
- 4:41Speaker 1: roles to go out there and make big plays for them.
- 4:43Speaker 1: Kind Of excited to see how that continues to develop there.
- 4:47Speaker 1: But you know, bo, when you look at those two
- 4:49Speaker 1: interceptions he had in this game, the first one was
- 4:51Speaker 1: kind of a crazy deflection that went about twenty yards
- 4:55Speaker 1: in the air. The second one was like that Max
- 4:57Speaker 1: Protect route, you know, Brown, see how they got to
- 5:00Speaker 1: him and it was like two versus three in the
- 5:02Speaker 1: secondary and he just kind of chucked it up there.
- 5:05Speaker 1: But man, this this is a team that's playing some
- 5:08Speaker 1: good football now. And I think when you you know,
- 5:12Speaker 1: when you look at the way that they're finding, you know,
- 5:14Speaker 1: ways to win here, and you know, they get they
- 5:17Speaker 1: get the pick six at the end, like the defense
- 5:19Speaker 1: is playing like they're just they're a good team right now.
- 5:22Speaker 1: They're a playoff team in my mind, and in the
- 5:25Speaker 1: way that they're playing right now, they're in that structure
- 5:28Speaker 1: and they're gonna stay there.
- 5:30Speaker 2: I was trying to think back to what week it is.
- 5:33Speaker 2: I'll pull it up here in a second, because I was,
- 5:35Speaker 2: you know, I was in Denver, So what do in
- 5:38Speaker 2: that game and to see the evolution of this team
- 5:41Speaker 2: from where they were then, which was they were playing
- 5:44Speaker 2: good defense that game? Or was the date? Let me
- 5:47Speaker 2: get a date on that game they were gosh, it
- 5:50Speaker 2: was one.
- 5:51Speaker 3: Two three.
- 5:51Speaker 2: It was the fifth week of the season. Six yeah,
- 5:56Speaker 2: I mean yeah, there was six, Yeah, there was Yeah.
- 5:58Speaker 2: That was the six weeks. The Chargers hadn't early by
- 6:02Speaker 2: the Charlie. The Chargers hedn't early by I mean this
- 6:05Speaker 2: this team I'm looking through that, you know. Bo was
- 6:07Speaker 2: nineteen of thirty three for two sixteen, with two touchdowns
- 6:10Speaker 2: and a pick. Most of that came in the second half,
- 6:11Speaker 2: really in the fourth quarter. The two touchdowns came in
- 6:14Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, but it was kind of like a
- 6:16Speaker 2: scrambled drill for lack of a better definition, it was
- 6:20Speaker 2: a little helter skelter that And it's just like everything
- 6:24Speaker 2: has just slowed down for him so much where he's
- 6:27Speaker 2: just so much more comfortable. And I say that, Rhett,
- 6:31Speaker 2: but also one of the things that makes him such
- 6:34Speaker 2: a good player is that there's an urgency. And I
- 6:37Speaker 2: think that's that's the challenge, is that you got to
- 6:39Speaker 2: be urgent without getting hectic and chaotic. And I think
- 6:43Speaker 2: he's done a good job of channeling that but still
- 6:45Speaker 2: playing fast, but just not he hasn't crossed over that line.
- 6:48Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good That's a good way
- 6:50Speaker 1: to put it, you know. And I think his maturity
- 6:53Speaker 1: and in his experience, you know, helps him in that
- 6:56Speaker 1: regard to and you talk to, you know, people in
- 6:57Speaker 1: that building.
- 6:58Speaker 3: And I mentioned this couple.
- 6:59Speaker 1: Of weeks ago, believe it was after their blowout win
- 7:01Speaker 1: over the Falcons, and there's just there's such a calm
- 7:05Speaker 1: in bo Nicks despite no matter the situation, right. I mean,
- 7:08Speaker 1: like they referenced when I was, you know, talking to
- 7:11Speaker 1: folks about him, it was like they referenced that Chiefs game,
- 7:14Speaker 1: like just coming in his calm is almost scary, they say,
- 7:17Speaker 1: when he like in timeouts, you know, in pressure situations,
- 7:20Speaker 1: he's just like he's got it all under control. He
- 7:22Speaker 1: understands what's being asked of him. He doesn't get sped
- 7:25Speaker 1: up that way. Now, look, somebody that's wearing this hat,
- 7:29Speaker 1: you know, doesn't like to talk about schedule and resumes
- 7:32Speaker 1: a whole lot. Okay, but you do go back and look,
- 7:37Speaker 1: you know this is a team in the Broncos. You've
- 7:39Speaker 1: beating the Saints, the Panthers, the Falcons, the Raiders, the Browns,
- 7:42Speaker 1: the Jets, and the Raiders again. Now, let's let's see
- 7:46Speaker 1: how this goes here. Coming off their bye week, they'll
- 7:48Speaker 1: have a you know, a playoff team in the that
- 7:51Speaker 1: are a team that's competing for a playoff spot in
- 7:53Speaker 1: the Colts, a playoff team, and the Chargers and then
- 7:56Speaker 1: the Bengals in Chiefs to close out the season. I
- 7:58Speaker 1: think we learned a lot about the Broncos and the
- 8:00Speaker 1: way that they'll push forward here into the postseason in
- 8:02Speaker 1: these final four games.
- 8:03Speaker 5: Wait, whoa, whoa whoa like disparity the Broncos They're not.
- 8:08Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think they'll learn a lot more
- 8:09Speaker 3: about it.
- 8:10Speaker 5: We will learn a lot more about them. Look, I
- 8:12Speaker 5: think the first part of and what you're saying about
- 8:15Speaker 5: the schedule is right. But before you can become a
- 8:18Speaker 5: great team, you have to be a good team. And
- 8:19Speaker 5: good teams beat the team they're supposed to, and so
- 8:22Speaker 5: give them credit for being able to knock off those teams.
- 8:24Speaker 5: I think the thing that is interesting on a night
- 8:26Speaker 5: where their defense didn't have their a game because Jameis
- 8:30Speaker 5: Winston is throwing.
- 8:30Speaker 4: The ball all over the yard and Jerry Judy is
- 8:34Speaker 4: having the.
- 8:35Speaker 5: Game of his life, they were able to offensively counter that,
- 8:40Speaker 5: and so to me, it speaks to this team being
- 8:43Speaker 5: able to win in various ways, in a way where
- 8:46Speaker 5: we always thought that path the victory was very narrow.
- 8:49Speaker 5: It's gonna be the defense carrying the water, the offense
- 8:51Speaker 5: making a player too, and that's how they would get
- 8:53Speaker 5: to the winner circle.
- 8:55Speaker 4: It was.
- 8:55Speaker 5: It was good to see them win in a different
- 8:57Speaker 5: way because they're gonna have to win different ways when
- 8:59Speaker 5: they've play some of the heavyweights that you're talking about
- 9:01Speaker 5: playing down the stretch.
- 9:03Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I heard some of the same criticisms
- 9:05Speaker 2: about the Chargers because the Chargers had you know, beaten
- 9:08Speaker 2: up on teams under five hundred and hadn't done well
- 9:10Speaker 2: against teams over five hundred, and they just got one
- 9:12Speaker 2: of those wins last week against the Atlanta Falcons. But
- 9:14Speaker 2: that's I mean to me, it's truthfully the sign of
- 9:18Speaker 2: a well coached team is that when you're on the ascension,
- 9:20Speaker 2: which I think we would all agree the Chargers and
- 9:22Speaker 2: the Broncos are both on the ascension. The first step
- 9:25Speaker 2: in that is taking care of the guys, as you mentioned, Buck,
- 9:27Speaker 2: that you got to beat like that's part of the climb.
- 9:30Speaker 2: And now we start punching up in class. The interesting
- 9:32Speaker 2: thing is the Broncos, man, they had the game won
- 9:35Speaker 2: against Kansas City, they did and aren't able to win
- 9:38Speaker 2: it the Chargers. The Chargers lost to Kansas City by
- 9:41Speaker 2: seven in a game they led for a good majority
- 9:43Speaker 2: of the game. And they've got the Chiefs coming up
- 9:44Speaker 2: this week. So there's going to be some the last
- 9:47Speaker 2: five weeks. I like how we have a lot of
- 9:49Speaker 2: these division matchups coming down the stretch here. It's going
- 9:52Speaker 2: to be, as we mentioned the other day about Kansas City,
- 9:55Speaker 2: we're going to find out not only about some of
- 9:57Speaker 2: these teams on the climb. We're going to find out
- 9:59Speaker 2: about some of those teams that the top who've got
- 10:00Speaker 2: a tough road ahead.
- 10:02Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 10:02Speaker 1: He quick thought though on the Cleveland Browns. You know
- 10:05Speaker 1: three and nine now right, and you've got Deshaun Watson,
- 10:09Speaker 1: who's going to be coming off the Achilles Jamis, you know,
- 10:13Speaker 1: God bless him. You know, throw million I mean million
- 10:18Speaker 1: yards in the touchdowns, but still gives you the picture,
- 10:20Speaker 1: by the way.
- 10:21Speaker 2: By the way, he is the ultimate example of the quarterback.
- 10:24Speaker 2: Quarterback coaches have their own language. Yeah, and uh, you
- 10:27Speaker 2: guys have probably both heard this one before, but I'm like,
- 10:29Speaker 2: he Jameis Winston is the ultimate double agent.
- 10:32Speaker 3: Oh my god.
- 10:33Speaker 4: He works for both teams. He plays both teams.
- 10:37Speaker 1: So look, I mean my point is like, I don't
- 10:39Speaker 1: you can't. As much as you love, you know, his
- 10:42Speaker 1: enthusiasm for the game and his zest for the for life,
- 10:45Speaker 1: and he can't be the quarterback moving forward there in Cleveland.
- 10:48Speaker 1: I just don't think you can. You can saddle up
- 10:50Speaker 1: that way, now, are you can? Can they afford to
- 10:54Speaker 1: go outside of Deshaun Watson at this point?
- 10:58Speaker 2: What's the name of the minor league team? I guess
- 11:00Speaker 2: it's not even affiliated, but it travels around all over
- 11:02Speaker 2: the place and does all the crazy stuff to Yes,
- 11:06Speaker 2: that's James. Look if your team's not any good, hey
- 11:10Speaker 2: just be the Savannah Bananas man. Come in.
- 11:12Speaker 4: We're gonna give you a show. We're have a unicycle knowing.
- 11:15Speaker 2: The umpire is gonna dance around a little bit like that,
- 11:17Speaker 2: Like that's Jameis. It's fun to watch.
- 11:19Speaker 5: But I will say this right because we know what
- 11:22Speaker 5: Jamis is. But isn't in a bigger indictment on what
- 11:25Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson. Isn't that this offense list you couldn't get
- 11:28Speaker 5: a first down? Like completely different with Jameis Winston pushing
- 11:32Speaker 5: the ball like yeah, three turnovers you don't want to see.
- 11:36Speaker 5: He threw for almost five hundred yards. And so I'm saying,
- 11:40Speaker 5: and so I'm sitting here saying, man, if you're the Browns,
- 11:44Speaker 5: you have to be pulling your hair out, saying Jameis
- 11:46Speaker 5: Winston comes in and gives our team a chance because
- 11:50Speaker 5: at least we can move the ball, we can score
- 11:53Speaker 5: and yes, yeah he's not afraid he makes these throws
- 11:57Speaker 5: and they couldn't They can be a drop on offense
- 12:01Speaker 5: with de Shnatson to me. I think it's more of
- 12:05Speaker 5: an indictment on Deshaun Watson more so than Jameis Winston and.
- 12:09Speaker 4: What he isn't.
- 12:10Speaker 5: I just think it makes it a crazy scenario for
- 12:13Speaker 5: them going into their off season.
- 12:14Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I'm with you on that front. And
- 12:17Speaker 1: I don't even think it's like what jamis isn't. It's
- 12:18Speaker 1: just what he is, and what he is is a
- 12:20Speaker 1: guy who's unafraid to, you know, to push the ball
- 12:23Speaker 1: down the field and to make you know, throws that
- 12:28Speaker 1: you know he's.
- 12:30Speaker 5: But here's the thing though, right because I'm watching it,
- 12:34Speaker 5: I'm watching it on the plane, and I screamed when
- 12:37Speaker 5: he threw one of the pick sixes at the end.
- 12:39Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, yeah yeah.
- 12:42Speaker 5: Then but then Rick he comes back in the next drive,
- 12:45Speaker 5: he throws a tight window.
- 12:47Speaker 3: Bang bang bang.
- 12:48Speaker 4: Judy on it.
- 12:49Speaker 1: I just don't think you can have one without the
- 12:51Speaker 1: other though. With him, that's that's what he's proven.
- 12:53Speaker 3: It is in his career. He's thirty thirty.
- 12:56Speaker 4: It's crazy, but he will fit a ball in a way.
- 13:00Speaker 4: Forgot about that.
- 13:02Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, I don't know if we'll ever
- 13:03Speaker 2: see that again.
- 13:04Speaker 3: When you do that, you give him a chance you might.
- 13:09Speaker 3: And for the Browns, look at this point.
- 13:11Speaker 4: I take it.
- 13:12Speaker 1: I take it just to get some offensive production. But
- 13:15Speaker 1: my point is like they're in they're in quarterback no
- 13:17Speaker 1: man's land.
- 13:18Speaker 4: Next year, Yeah, because.
- 13:21Speaker 2: Right now, right now, Buck, they're picking because I was
- 13:23Speaker 2: looking at it, we have so many bad teams this year.
- 13:25Speaker 2: Cleveland is three and nine according to Tankathon. Right now,
- 13:29Speaker 2: they'd have the eighth pick.
- 13:31Speaker 3: It's not gonna get you the quarterback.
- 13:33Speaker 2: I will say this. I will say I'm working on
- 13:35Speaker 2: these guys now. So I'm going through and I watched
- 13:37Speaker 2: a bunch of pass rushers over the last week and
- 13:38Speaker 2: then I've just started getting into the quarterbacks. I'll say this.
- 13:41Speaker 2: You want to talk about fun factor, cam Ward is fun.
- 13:44Speaker 2: That is fun. You want to have some fun. And
- 13:47Speaker 2: guess what he'd be cheap rookie deal, cost you nothing.
- 13:51Speaker 2: He can make some plays and he's got it. He
- 13:53Speaker 2: has a little jamis all right, don't give don't give
- 13:57Speaker 2: a crud. I'm gonna just sit back here and let
- 13:59Speaker 2: it rip.
- 14:00Speaker 5: I mean, there's something, there's something to having lived the
- 14:03Speaker 5: Brett farv experience when he was in the midst of
- 14:05Speaker 5: winning three straight MVPs. There there is someone that you
- 14:08Speaker 5: have to have that fearlessness. Yeah, but you want to
- 14:11Speaker 5: guard against the recklessness. I think Jamis has both of them.
- 14:14Speaker 2: He's fearless. I saw Farv's name in the packet after
- 14:19Speaker 2: after the Chargers game, because if you guys saw that nugget,
- 14:23Speaker 2: it was Kirk Cousins has like no touchdowns, six interceptions
- 14:27Speaker 2: and a pick six in a three game stretch. And
- 14:31Speaker 2: it's the first time it's happened since Brett Farva. Brett
- 14:36Speaker 2: Farv right there, Yeah, there you go. All right, that's
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- 14:48Speaker 2: back in Uh coy victory lap time for rep ew
- 14:56Speaker 2: all right, Buck? Uh A man, don't know. I don't
- 15:00Speaker 2: even know what to say. Uh. Another big week for RHTT.
- 15:03Speaker 2: He gets six points, I got five, Buck got one,
- 15:06Speaker 2: and Bucky. It wasn't that you picked some bums here.
- 15:10Speaker 2: All these rookies went off this week. Everybody played great.
- 15:13Speaker 2: It was a very close score, but Caleb Williams, Bucky
- 15:16Speaker 2: Irving and Brock Bauers Bowers with a monster game that
- 15:20Speaker 2: got Reht the lead and extended the lead right now.
- 15:24Speaker 2: So we won't get into the specifics of how big
- 15:26Speaker 2: this lead is, but approaching double.
- 15:28Speaker 1: Nine point lead on DJ and a twenty one point
- 15:31Speaker 1: lead on Buck justin.
- 15:32Speaker 2: Case I know, well, Bucky's gonna bounce Bucky's this is
- 15:34Speaker 2: his week. Look, this is your week. This is the
- 15:37Speaker 2: good news is that Buck has the first pick this weekend.
- 15:40Speaker 2: We got to tell everybody because of buyes, no quarterbacks
- 15:43Speaker 2: this week. We've got Bownicks, Jayden Daniels, and Drake May
- 15:45Speaker 2: all on buys. So we're not picking qbs. We're gonna
- 15:48Speaker 2: go with running back and two receivers or pass catchers.
- 15:52Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, So let's uh let's get this
- 15:56Speaker 2: thing cranked up here. Buck, you've got the first pick.
- 15:59Speaker 5: Okay, Well, let's uh take Rett's favorite player right off
- 16:02Speaker 5: the board. If you can't uh beat him, join him.
- 16:06Speaker 5: So I'm gonna take Bucky Irvin from the Sam Bay
- 16:07Speaker 5: Buccaneers right at the gate, like just try and eliminate
- 16:10Speaker 5: his best play like that.
- 16:11Speaker 4: Here's what he does for me. This makes your red
- 16:14Speaker 4: doesn't have it seems to better for Red.
- 16:16Speaker 3: Appreciate that, all right, That's that's that's something, right. Yeah,
- 16:21Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna take.
- 16:23Speaker 2: Ers because he's got me fifteen hundred points every week.
- 16:27Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take brock Bowers because he's got me
- 16:29Speaker 1: fifteen hundred points.
- 16:31Speaker 3: How about that.
- 16:32Speaker 2: I tried to bully him out of not making that movie.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Quite honestly, I really did try it. Yeah. Oh gosh,
- 16:40Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna go Tyrone
- 16:43Speaker 2: Tracy with my next.
- 16:45Speaker 1: That was the other one that I would have done
- 16:47Speaker 1: there as well.
- 16:48Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm gonna go Tyrone Tracy. Then I'm gonna
- 16:51Speaker 2: come back. And I know he's a little bit nicked up,
- 16:53Speaker 2: and I know this is you know, he probably the
- 16:55Speaker 2: toughest slot corner in the league he'll be going up against.
- 16:58Speaker 2: But when it lads and good to you stick with
- 17:01Speaker 2: a lad man back out there.
- 17:04Speaker 4: I thought he's hurt. I thought he's hurt a little bit.
- 17:07Speaker 2: He's got hurt that game. But he's got a knee.
- 17:09Speaker 2: He's got a knee, he's got a shoulder. But this
- 17:12Speaker 2: is the Jim Harbaugh led Chargers. We gotta we gotta
- 17:15Speaker 2: suck it up, get out there and uh and go
- 17:17Speaker 2: against the Chiefs on Sunday night. I'm gonna roll him
- 17:20Speaker 2: out there. I thought he was, uh right, you're up.
- 17:24Speaker 3: I'm I'm up again.
- 17:26Speaker 1: So at this point, I feel like you guys have
- 17:32Speaker 1: already taken the running backs.
- 17:34Speaker 3: So let's see where do I want to go here?
- 17:41Speaker 1: You know, I think what I'm what I'm gonna do
- 17:46Speaker 1: here is probably go.
- 17:50Speaker 3: Let's let's work with Marvin Harrison Junior.
- 17:54Speaker 4: Here.
- 17:55Speaker 3: He's starting to heat up a little bit, so let
- 17:57Speaker 3: me go Marvin hmm.
- 17:59Speaker 2: Still his his catch to target ratio is not great.
- 18:02Speaker 4: Great.
- 18:03Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what that's about. I really do
- 18:05Speaker 3: to give you that.
- 18:05Speaker 2: I've got that number right here. He's been targeted one
- 18:08Speaker 2: hundred and seventy four times. The most, sorry a dune say,
- 18:13Speaker 2: is oh sorry, no, that's versus press. Let me let
- 18:15Speaker 2: me readjust here. Marvin Harrison's been targeted eighty two times
- 18:19Speaker 2: and has forty three catches. That's crazy, that's not good.
- 18:24Speaker 2: Whereas brock Bauers has been targeted one hundred and thirteen
- 18:27Speaker 2: times and has eighty seven catches.
- 18:28Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
- 18:30Speaker 2: The Cocky's been targeted eighty five times, has sixty one catches. Yeah,
- 18:36Speaker 2: he's not on the same page, man y, Yeah, not on.
- 18:39Speaker 4: The same page. Yeah, it'll be interesting.
- 18:41Speaker 3: I mean you like the targets.
- 18:43Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can cross reference dead with the film,
- 18:46Speaker 5: Like what are we saying? Are we not separating or
- 18:49Speaker 5: we just misfiring? It doesn't make sense you normally. Look,
- 18:52Speaker 5: he should be at like a seventy percent plus clip
- 18:55Speaker 5: when it comes the catch rate like that.
- 18:57Speaker 4: Is that is not what we want.
- 18:58Speaker 1: So I'm up.
- 18:59Speaker 5: This is you're back to backs, back to back, all right,
- 19:02Speaker 5: So here we go. I'm gonna take teammates, uh whatever
- 19:05Speaker 5: order mylik neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr. I'll just take both
- 19:07Speaker 5: of them back to back.
- 19:08Speaker 3: And then just college teammates like it.
- 19:11Speaker 2: See, Bucky's gonna make it. He's gonna make a dent
- 19:13Speaker 2: this week.
- 19:14Speaker 4: This is it.
- 19:15Speaker 2: He got a chance to sweep it.
- 19:16Speaker 5: Well, if you both teams draft right here, both both
- 19:19Speaker 5: teams are out of it.
- 19:20Speaker 4: So now you're playing for pride. So you like to
- 19:22Speaker 4: think that you're trying to be at momentum.
- 19:24Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm back right.
- 19:28Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know if you guys were following
- 19:31Speaker 1: what was going down this week? But no Christian McCaffrey,
- 19:34Speaker 1: No Jordan Mason, lock me up some Isaac Garndo.
- 19:38Speaker 2: That's his favorite guy, his favorite guy.
- 19:40Speaker 4: He's been He's been on him for almost a full
- 19:42Speaker 4: calendar year.
- 19:44Speaker 3: Love it.
- 19:47Speaker 2: All right, I've got a couple of different options here.
- 19:50Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know what, I'm gonna look and double
- 19:54Speaker 2: check here. Can anybody tell me who the Panthers are
- 19:56Speaker 2: playing this week?
- 19:58Speaker 4: Uh?
- 19:59Speaker 3: Let's see Eagles. Good luck.
- 20:03Speaker 2: I was going to try and run out like Xavier
- 20:05Speaker 2: log at for one here. How about my Bears? Who
- 20:07Speaker 2: the Bears got?
- 20:08Speaker 3: Bears got the Niners.
- 20:10Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to go that way. We're gonna go
- 20:12Speaker 2: to Rome. We're going to Rome, going to Rome. Baby,
- 20:17Speaker 2: So Kaylie, we've got to We've got to close the
- 20:19Speaker 2: gap here on this one. RTT is on a terrible
- 20:21Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Buck, I think I think this is
- 20:23Speaker 2: your week. I love that. I love that collection of
- 20:25Speaker 2: players that you just were able to bring in there. Yes, yeah,
- 20:29Speaker 2: looking going through by the way, going through some of
- 20:31Speaker 2: these numbers. Yeah, I wanted to hit you guys up
- 20:33Speaker 2: on that because I was looking at Xavier leg Get
- 20:37Speaker 2: and it got me to the Bryce Young stuff. And
- 20:43Speaker 2: I want to just have that quick conversation. We talked
- 20:46Speaker 2: about it a little bit the other day, Buck, but
- 20:50Speaker 2: and I've had a chance to go back and watch
- 20:51Speaker 2: some more of him, you know, going through it and
- 20:55Speaker 2: rhtt you can chime in on this. But I'm convince
- 20:57Speaker 2: convinced now more than ever, like it's time to stop,
- 21:01Speaker 2: you know, tiptoeing around this thing. It's time to commit
- 21:04Speaker 2: to him and give him the full confidence and now
- 21:07Speaker 2: let's focus on going out trying to get him some help.
- 21:10Speaker 2: You know. But I think he is. I think this
- 21:12Speaker 2: is the more I watch it, I'm like, this is
- 21:14Speaker 2: the Alabama version of Bryce Young that we're seeing right now.
- 21:17Speaker 4: Well, I think so.
- 21:18Speaker 5: And I think it's you know, it's funny, Jay, because
- 21:21Speaker 5: we had a conversation yesterday where we talked about talent
- 21:24Speaker 5: and technique.
- 21:25Speaker 4: And I will say this in a weird way, maybe.
- 21:29Speaker 5: Bryce Young becomes a Steph Curry in terms of it
- 21:33Speaker 5: takes a while for him to pop, but when it pops,
- 21:35Speaker 5: it pops in a major way. And if you think
- 21:37Speaker 5: about Steph Curry in the NBA, Steph Curry, it took
- 21:40Speaker 5: a while. It took years for him to kind of
- 21:42Speaker 5: find his way and find his unique game. And I
- 21:44Speaker 5: think for Bryce it could be very similar now that
- 21:47Speaker 5: we've seen him have success because he hadn't had on
- 21:50Speaker 5: field diversity, not in high school, not in college. He's
- 21:52Speaker 5: bounced back through the adversity. I don't understand why the
- 21:55Speaker 5: Panthers would want to move on or not fully endorse
- 21:58Speaker 5: him as their guy, forming a new one overall pick.
- 22:01Speaker 4: So it just seems to weird.
- 22:03Speaker 1: And I do think you you continue to look at
- 22:06Speaker 1: the pieces around him right to each because you look
- 22:09Speaker 1: at you know, you look at where his his targets
- 22:12Speaker 1: are going, and so many of them are still at
- 22:15Speaker 1: or around the line of scrimmage right and he's completing
- 22:18Speaker 1: you know, just over fifty percent of his passes. I'm
- 22:20Speaker 1: looking at the last three weeks, right, the last three
- 22:22Speaker 1: weeks where he's really you know, they they've played some
- 22:24Speaker 1: good football and really challenged these teams that they've played,
- 22:28Speaker 1: and there's it's still kind of scattershot once you get
- 22:30Speaker 1: beyond ten yards. Now, I don't think that's all on
- 22:32Speaker 1: him either. The drops, yeah, exactly exactly, and so I
- 22:38Speaker 1: think there's still a lot to be made of what's
- 22:41Speaker 1: going on around him at the skill position, you know
- 22:44Speaker 1: area and Jatavian Sanders was coming on. You know, I
- 22:46Speaker 1: know he got bat he got hurt, but they need
- 22:49Speaker 1: to continue to get after it on that front.
- 22:53Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know just from what
- 22:55Speaker 2: I saw earlier in the year and how how bad
- 22:57Speaker 2: it was. It's the same conversation we just had with
- 23:00Speaker 2: bo Nicks. It's slowing down a little bit. And you know,
- 23:04Speaker 2: bo Nick's able to get there in his first year.
- 23:07Speaker 2: Last year, I don't even know do we even count it.
- 23:09Speaker 2: I mean, I know he gets the accrued season, but
- 23:11Speaker 2: I mean there's nothing he had, nothing like they at
- 23:14Speaker 2: least they've got a little something going now with Chuba
- 23:17Speaker 2: Hubbard getting rolling the offensive line a little bit better,
- 23:20Speaker 2: Xaberly gets got some crucial drops, but he has, you know,
- 23:23Speaker 2: made some plays for him. Now you get Brooks in
- 23:26Speaker 2: there as well, the compliment in the backfield. You know,
- 23:29Speaker 2: they've got some interesting, some interesting starting point here for him.
- 23:34Speaker 2: But I'm just looking at that going Okay, it's starting
- 23:36Speaker 2: to slow down. And Phil Savage, who you know, ran
- 23:40Speaker 2: the scouting department in Baltimore when I was there and
- 23:42Speaker 2: then went became the GM of the Browns, is now
- 23:44Speaker 2: the interim GM with the Jets. He used to always
- 23:46Speaker 2: say in our draft meetings, Buck that you could have
- 23:50Speaker 2: two wildly different grades on a player, but nobody makes
- 23:54Speaker 2: up what they saw. And he said, at some point
- 23:56Speaker 2: in time in the NFL, We're going to see both versions.
- 23:59Speaker 2: We're going to see the guy who was a little
- 24:00Speaker 2: low on it, We're going to see some of those struggles.
- 24:02Speaker 2: And then the guy that's a little that was more
- 24:04Speaker 2: high on him, we'll see glimpses of that. Now that
- 24:07Speaker 2: all comes down to where does it end up falling
- 24:09Speaker 2: like one way or the other. But at some point
- 24:11Speaker 2: in time you are going to see that. And I
- 24:13Speaker 2: just felt happy for him because I was like that
- 24:15Speaker 2: guy said, this felt like a little Alabama Bryce Young
- 24:17Speaker 2: that we're seeing here.
- 24:19Speaker 5: No really, Look, I can tell you is always funny
- 24:21Speaker 5: because I look at the Panthers through the eyes of
- 24:23Speaker 5: my younger brother. My younger brother is the biggest Carolina
- 24:25Speaker 5: Panthers ran out there, and he talks about that.
- 24:27Speaker 4: He rids the roller coaster with him. Every Tuesday.
- 24:31Speaker 5: He calls me and gives me the breakdown on what
- 24:32Speaker 5: happened in the game and this and that and why
- 24:34Speaker 5: he should believe or whatever. And I was like, well,
- 24:36Speaker 5: you got to continue to believe because the quarterback looks
- 24:38Speaker 5: like he's turned a corn and whatever happened during his
- 24:42Speaker 5: time away, the Bryce Young that is returned has been
- 24:45Speaker 5: one that has been more decisive, more confident in terms
- 24:48Speaker 5: of just letting it go and maybe not worrying so
- 24:50Speaker 5: much about playing perfectly.
- 24:53Speaker 4: And it's working.
- 24:54Speaker 5: And now I think you can envision how this team
- 24:56Speaker 5: and this offense can grow if you do have a
- 24:59Speaker 5: marquee pass kept sure on the outside and another dominant
- 25:02Speaker 5: player opened the middle. Uh, to go with them. I
- 25:05Speaker 5: think you just kind of keep building this thing out.
- 25:07Speaker 5: But I think he's shown enough promise that you kind
- 25:10Speaker 5: of hitch your wagon to him and kind of ride
- 25:12Speaker 5: with it.
- 25:13Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what you know, rapport is
- 25:16Speaker 1: reported that they're going to do and you know, not
- 25:18Speaker 1: expected to draft a quarterback high in this draft. And yeah,
- 25:21Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like you want to go, especially
- 25:24Speaker 1: with where you know where things are going and trending.
- 25:27Speaker 1: You know right now with where the Panthers are just
- 25:30Speaker 1: looking at they're sitting there three and nine, there's a
- 25:32Speaker 1: I mean there's about five three and nine teams there's
- 25:34Speaker 1: three four, ten lost teams, like you're I mean, three
- 25:38Speaker 1: and nine is going to be like the tenth pick
- 25:39Speaker 1: in the draft. That's crazy, you know, with with where
- 25:43Speaker 1: things are, if they kind of continue down this this pathway.
- 25:46Speaker 3: So I don't think you're going to get you know,
- 25:47Speaker 3: who you would really want there anyway.
- 25:49Speaker 1: And now let's go ahead and just try to really
- 25:52Speaker 1: kind of put all the chips on the table for Bryce.
- 25:55Speaker 2: Can I ask you guys one last question then we'll
- 25:57Speaker 2: wrap it up because I was just just laughing this morning.
- 26:00Speaker 2: The three of us are not entering the transfer portal,
- 26:02Speaker 2: so we just want to clear that up. We will
- 26:04Speaker 2: not be entering the transfer portal. Everybody else in the
- 26:06Speaker 2: entire planet is. And maybe if.
- 26:08Speaker 3: There's some late money coming in, I might you know,
- 26:11Speaker 3: like you know, I mean.
- 26:15Speaker 2: But here's my question. I Buck hit this and Rett
- 26:19Speaker 2: follow it because we all do follow college football the
- 26:21Speaker 2: uh the thing I'm fascinated by twelve team playoff. So
- 26:25Speaker 2: if you're someone who is maybe feels like you're underpaid
- 26:29Speaker 2: at a school, or maybe you're someone who's not maybe
- 26:32Speaker 2: featured as much as you'd like to be, but you're
- 26:34Speaker 2: still a player, god lye like this could kind of
- 26:38Speaker 2: screw up your intentions if you wanted to go into
- 26:41Speaker 2: the portal. Like, there's some guys on those twelve playoff
- 26:44Speaker 2: teams when that's announced that the semester is going to
- 26:47Speaker 2: be over, they're still going to be, you know, on
- 26:49Speaker 2: a team that's going towards the playoffs. You're like, on
- 26:51Speaker 2: one hand, it's like, gosh, that's a bad look to
- 26:53Speaker 2: enter in the transfer portal when you're on a team
- 26:54Speaker 2: that's in a playoff. On the other hand, it's like,
- 26:56Speaker 2: if not now when like that's a that's going to
- 26:59Speaker 2: put it. I never thought about that angle this whole thing.
- 27:01Speaker 1: It's already happening though, yes already went in. You know,
- 27:06Speaker 1: a player at the high linebacker to Ohio State already
- 27:08Speaker 1: went in. I think this is where you get like
- 27:10Speaker 1: the three deep guys that are going to start going
- 27:12Speaker 1: in because the two guys are going to be playing.
- 27:14Speaker 3: But and I understand that.
- 27:15Speaker 1: I really thought that that was part of what would
- 27:17Speaker 1: you know, kind of reshape college football is the twelve
- 27:21Speaker 1: team playoff would keep more teams active and more players
- 27:24Speaker 1: active with their teams than those you know opting out
- 27:27Speaker 1: getting into the portal.
- 27:28Speaker 3: But you know.
- 27:32Speaker 5: So, so look, this would I can only imagine, like
- 27:37Speaker 5: back in the day, how we review someone who jumps
- 27:39Speaker 5: into the porter in the middle of a run, and
- 27:41Speaker 5: how when he came you believe that, And how when
- 27:43Speaker 5: it came time to talk about them in the draft,
- 27:46Speaker 5: about like, hey, he's a good team and he's just
- 27:48Speaker 5: like there's no way. But now, because everything has become
- 27:51Speaker 5: so transactional, it's kind of met with a shrug like, yeah,
- 27:55Speaker 5: he transferred a couple of times, he bounced, he is
- 27:58Speaker 5: a business decision.
- 28:00Speaker 4: Whatever. It's still weird to me.
- 28:02Speaker 5: Even though I understand big picture nio, transfer, port, all
- 28:05Speaker 5: those things are a part of the landscape. Man, it
- 28:09Speaker 5: still takes away from like the team factor, and so
- 28:11Speaker 5: it's trying.
- 28:12Speaker 4: It hurts me to put that aside. Hurts It's just
- 28:15Speaker 4: a weird it's just a weird time for.
- 28:18Speaker 1: So I'll mention it just briefly from Indiana's point of view.
- 28:21Speaker 1: I mean, it was barely talked about. I think it'd
- 28:22Speaker 1: six players, you know, essentially quit this year, you know,
- 28:25Speaker 1: and they weren't playing, decided they wanted to step away,
- 28:28Speaker 1: red shirt and preserve their collegiate experience to go on
- 28:32Speaker 1: somewhere else in the transfer portal, and they're still sitting
- 28:35Speaker 1: here at eleven and one.
- 28:36Speaker 2: You know, so real quick, guys. The portal, by the way,
- 28:39Speaker 2: rret it opens Monday, December ninth, right, yep, it closes
- 28:44Speaker 2: December twenty eighth. There's so many different layers of this thing.
- 28:47Speaker 2: This is what I was talking to somebody this morning,
- 28:49Speaker 2: and we're talking about my Alma maters trying to find
- 28:52Speaker 2: a coach and okay, what's the timing on this? And
- 28:55Speaker 2: this point was brought up to me, which is, as
- 28:58Speaker 2: you guys know, like when you when you have a
- 29:00Speaker 2: coaching change, you're it's a thirty day window for people too.
- 29:06Speaker 2: It's open now as open season. So if if if
- 29:10Speaker 2: you if you get somebody, if you're somebody that's going
- 29:14Speaker 2: to lose a coach all of a sudden. Now if
- 29:15Speaker 2: it's later, like the portal closes on the twenty eighth, yeah,
- 29:19Speaker 2: so the longer you wait, all of a sudden, guess what,
- 29:21Speaker 2: that's a one way highway. They can come pluck your guys,
- 29:24Speaker 2: but you can't go pluck anybody else, you know, because
- 29:27Speaker 2: of a coaching change. So the movement thing, there's a
- 29:30Speaker 2: there's a strategy to wanting to get that done quickly
- 29:34Speaker 2: in terms of getting your coaching well.
- 29:36Speaker 1: And look at that's the beginning. The twenty eighth is
- 29:38Speaker 1: like the second weekend of the CFP. You know, so
- 29:41Speaker 1: you've got one round of the CFP and so you're
- 29:44Speaker 1: you know, you'll be down to uh eight teams at
- 29:47Speaker 1: that point that are still moving forward.
- 29:49Speaker 2: What if one of those guys takes an NFL job
- 29:52Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's open, like say say and
- 29:55Speaker 2: just say Kirby open. Kirby takes an NFL job, right.
- 29:59Speaker 3: It's opening.
- 30:00Speaker 2: The portals is closed, right, No, I.
- 30:02Speaker 3: Think it would open again for Georgia because of the
- 30:04Speaker 3: head coach.
- 30:05Speaker 2: For Georgia's for Georgia's players to leave, right, you can't
- 30:08Speaker 2: go get anybody else from other schools because the portals closed,
- 30:12Speaker 2: right m yeah, am I not am I? That's that's right, yea,
- 30:19Speaker 2: because you can't if I'm the head coach. If I'm
- 30:21Speaker 2: the head coach in Indiana and the portals closed just
- 30:24Speaker 2: because you made a coaching change, you can't come raid
- 30:26Speaker 2: my roster. The portals closed.
- 30:30Speaker 1: Well yeah, wait a second, that doesn't make any sense
- 30:34Speaker 1: because then how would any of the players that went in.
- 30:38Speaker 3: Come out.
- 30:41Speaker 2: What do you mean? Oh, it's very confusing.
- 30:45Speaker 1: It is confus know, I'm saying, like, if so, if
- 30:46Speaker 1: the portal opens for thirty days because of the coaching
- 30:49Speaker 1: change and Georgia and all the Georgia players, you know,
- 30:51Speaker 1: leg in that in that scenario, all right, Kirby leaves whatever,
- 30:55Speaker 1: and he gets ten players that go into the portal.
- 30:59Speaker 3: It's got to be open for them to go anywhere because.
- 31:03Speaker 2: Players, those players leaving Georgia can go anywhere. Georgia's new
- 31:07Speaker 2: head coach. There's nobody left in that. There's not gonna
- 31:11Speaker 2: be if many any players left in that portal. In
- 31:14Speaker 2: the portal is closed, so no new players can come in.
- 31:17Speaker 2: So in other words, if I'm if, I'm if I'm Georgia,
- 31:20Speaker 2: and that would be a job where you're not taking
- 31:22Speaker 2: an assistant, I'm getting I'm gonna get a high level
- 31:25Speaker 2: coach established a coach, so he can't do what you
- 31:29Speaker 2: know and bring those guys with him. So I don't know,
- 31:31Speaker 2: it's just it's just tricky. I don't know, it's bizarre.
- 31:35Speaker 2: But it's a whole new world, is what I'm getting.
- 31:38Speaker 4: It's crazy.
- 31:38Speaker 2: But then all right, well, we'll wrap this thing up.
- 31:42Speaker 2: We've got a couple more episodes coming your way, so
- 31:44Speaker 2: appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll see you next time.
- 31:46Speaker 2: Right here on, move the sticks.