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The Late Debate | 18 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, gentle.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome wait base, good evening. I'm James MacPerson with Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Bond and Jemma ton Yinian gener It's been great to
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  Speaker 2: have you with us. Thanks this week.
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  Speaker 3: Denika's back next week from holidays. But we've really enjoyed
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  Speaker 3: having you on the program this week.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, thank you, you're such gentlemen. I've enjoyed the banter.
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  Speaker 5: Which this little number you're wearing to.
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  Speaker 4: This little number. Yes, oh, I couldn't tell you the night,
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  Speaker 4: which is really bad of me. I should know who
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  Speaker 4: am I wearing. I have no idea. I bought this
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  Speaker 4: in pertho is.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like I should be swaming around with a
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  Speaker 6: cigar because.
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  Speaker 5: Like Berg and smoking your proof. Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you Caleb.
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  Speaker 5: I get one in my size. I'll wear it.
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  Speaker 6: I will see if I can hook you up.
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  Speaker 3: Declaring the war has been a success, the US has
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  Speaker 3: agreed to end the blockade of Iranian ports, to end
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  Speaker 3: military action against Iran, to stop Israel bombing has Bella,
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  Speaker 3: and to release hundreds of billions of dollars so the
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  Speaker 3: Iranians can rebuild. In return, the Iranians have promised they
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  Speaker 3: won't pursue nuclear weapons. If that sounds like a good deal,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a bridge I'd love to show you after
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  Speaker 3: the show. Just three months ago, Donald Trump said the
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  Speaker 3: US blockade would continue until every US demand had been met.
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  Speaker 7: Will remain in full force and effect as it pertains
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  Speaker 7: to Iran until such time as our transaction with Iran
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  Speaker 7: as one hundred percent complete and fully signed.
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  Speaker 3: But today he announced the blockade would end immediately so
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  Speaker 3: talks between the US and Iran could commence in pursuit
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  Speaker 3: of a final deal. Just a few months ago, Trump
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  Speaker 3: said the world's leading sponsor of terror could not have,
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  Speaker 3: under any circumstances, ballistic weapons.
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  Speaker 8: Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating
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  Speaker 8: eminent threats from the Iranian regime. We are going to
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  Speaker 8: destroy their missiles and raise their missile industry to the ground.
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  Speaker 8: It will be totally again obliterated.
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  Speaker 3: But today he said it was only fair that Iran
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  Speaker 3: had missiles.
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  Speaker 9: Sure, you shouldn't let them have any missile.
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  Speaker 5: He said, well, what am I going to do?
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  Speaker 9: A We're going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles but them, Yes,
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  Speaker 9: Sir Kent, does it work that way? You know it
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  Speaker 9: doesn't work that way, and missiles are at the problem.
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  Speaker 9: Missiles or they hurt a little location, but they don't
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  Speaker 9: blow up the planet.
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  Speaker 3: Just a few months ago, Trump said that if the
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  Speaker 3: US had to, they could take.
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  Speaker 2: A rounds enriched uranium by force.
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  Speaker 7: The USA will get all nuclear dust, and you know
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  Speaker 7: how we're going to get there does right around, We're
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  Speaker 7: going to take it anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But today he says iron will retain the nuclear dust
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  Speaker 3: while discussions are held about whether or not they'll relinquish it.
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  Speaker 3: He was the Uranian leader today insisting they'd retain their
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  Speaker 3: enriched uranium.
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  Speaker 2: But it'll be okay.
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  Speaker 5: We are two.
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  Speaker 10: Months away from enriching weapons great uranium to be used
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  Speaker 10: for peaceful purposes.
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  Speaker 3: That, of course, was Sessa Cohen in the movie The Dictator.
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  Speaker 3: But it seems to me that's what Trump has fallen for.
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  Speaker 3: He's decided to take Iran's word for it that this
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  Speaker 3: time they really will do the right thing, which is
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  Speaker 3: a bit like trusting Elbow Club, except Elbow doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: enriched uranium.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank god for that.
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  Speaker 11: Who knows what might happen if Elbow had the enriched uranium.
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  Speaker 11: You wouldn't be speaking out against the budget. I suspect,
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  Speaker 11: But nevertheless, look, we've still got sixty days to actually
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  Speaker 11: find out what's going to happen here, right, So I'm
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  Speaker 11: kind of holding.
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  Speaker 5: My horses until that happens.
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  Speaker 11: In the meantime, though, I would say Trump finds himself
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  Speaker 11: in a real pickle because he of course went to
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  Speaker 11: an election saying, you know, there will be no forever wars.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going down that road.
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  Speaker 11: He then decided to launch a war that he said
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  Speaker 11: would be over within four or five weeks. We're now
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  Speaker 11: pretty close to the four month mark. I think the
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  Speaker 11: end of this month would be four months, right.
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  Speaker 5: So he's a little he's in a little too deep.
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  Speaker 11: I suspect he knows that midterms are coming up. Part
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  Speaker 11: of the megabase is extremely unhappy with the way this
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  Speaker 11: has gone. They want it over as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 11: In fact, they didn't want it to happen in the
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  Speaker 11: first place. He's worried about how that will play at
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  Speaker 11: the midterms. He's also worried about energy prices and other
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  Speaker 11: high prices and how that will play at the midterms.
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  Speaker 11: And so he would like the straight of Hall moves
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  Speaker 11: to open up as quickly as possible to help him
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  Speaker 11: from that to perspective politically, I mean, you've kind of
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  Speaker 11: got to ask the question, what was the purpose of
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  Speaker 11: going in in the first place? Right, because if you're
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  Speaker 11: going to go in and sort of half do it, well,
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  Speaker 11: we've seen what happens when you half do wars before.
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  Speaker 11: What was Trump hoping to achieve when he set about
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  Speaker 11: this war at the end of February, Because he's not
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  Speaker 11: at whatever it was, he's presumably not achieved it, So
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  Speaker 11: what was the purpose.
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  Speaker 5: Of doing it in the first place?
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  Speaker 11: But look, we've got to wait and see what apps
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  Speaker 11: at the end of this sixty days. He's threatened that
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  Speaker 11: if they break in any part of this deal that
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  Speaker 11: lasts for the next sixty days, he will bomb them.
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  Speaker 11: Now he has to do that if they break any
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  Speaker 11: part of that deal. There's no we've saw butts about
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  Speaker 11: it anymore. He's threatened to bomb them one hundred times
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  Speaker 11: and not done it. So if he's going to make
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  Speaker 11: the threat, he has to be prepared to follow through
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  Speaker 11: on it. But I'll wait to see what happens in
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  Speaker 11: sixty days time before I make my final judgment on
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  Speaker 11: all of this. Who knows what might come out of it,
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  Speaker 11: but I do wonder why he did it in the
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  Speaker 11: first place.
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  Speaker 2: You're convinced this is a big mistake, aren't you.
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  Speaker 4: Jimmy, I'm as convinced as anyone can be on the
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  Speaker 4: evidence of today's announcement and what we know of the
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  Speaker 4: deal in the sense that I'm on a unity ticket
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  Speaker 4: with you, Caleb, as in who knows what will happen
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  Speaker 4: in the next sixty days.
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  Speaker 6: Who knows. But if let's say, for argument's sake, this
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  Speaker 6: deal is the deal, it sticks, and that's it.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a tremendous betrayal of the people who
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  Speaker 4: are suffering under that regime. And if you remember one
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  Speaker 4: of the other things Donald Trump said, I think it
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  Speaker 4: was late January, early February.
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  Speaker 6: Hang on, help is on the way. And I just
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  Speaker 6: want people to remember two things.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, the Australian government expelled the Iranian ambassador
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  Speaker 4: from this country after azine covered evidence of foreign interference.
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  Speaker 6: And we all know what that looked like.
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  Speaker 4: It looked like anti Semitic attacks, firebombs against synagogues, that
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  Speaker 4: kind of thing. So it's not something that's happening on
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  Speaker 4: the other side of the world that doesn't affect Australia.
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  Speaker 4: It affects Australia a little bit of out of sight,
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  Speaker 4: out of mind, but it feels like we have short
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  Speaker 4: memories in this country. The other thing is the tremendous
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  Speaker 4: human cost. We have a federal government that likes to
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  Speaker 4: position itself as being all about humanitarianism, all about you know,
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  Speaker 4: the empathetic left. You have one of the single biggest
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  Speaker 4: human rights abuses in the world. They executed more women
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  Speaker 4: last year than any other country in the world, and that.
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  Speaker 6: Was fifty percent more women than the year before.
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  Speaker 4: Minorities, gays, dissidents, young people during that in blackout, god
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  Speaker 4: knows how many people lost their lives. We are talking
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  Speaker 4: about a barbaric regime that doesn't deserve to exist. And
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  Speaker 4: everybody likes to use the analogy around Hitler and the Nazis.
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  Speaker 6: It's an apt one. But we are more complicit now
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  Speaker 6: because we know.
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  Speaker 4: You could argue that in the Second World War, we
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  Speaker 4: didn't have social media, we didn't have telecommunications, we didn't
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  Speaker 4: have the lens and the ability to see things in
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  Speaker 4: real time that we do now. And we're standing here
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  Speaker 4: and going, oh, let's just do a deal because we
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  Speaker 4: can't get to Europe for our summer of ak like.
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  Speaker 4: It's quite shameful. I feel like humanity as a whole.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a big it. Just I said to
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  Speaker 4: you guys earlier that I'd been to a couple of
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  Speaker 4: the pro Iranian rallies here in Sydney over the course
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  Speaker 4: of the last six to eight months. And these are
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  Speaker 4: our neighbors and our friends and our fellow Australians whose family.
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  Speaker 6: Are over there. They're missing, they disappeared, all of.
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  Speaker 4: That sort of stuff, and we act as if it's
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  Speaker 4: a commercial consideration.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon a run made four bets and they were
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  Speaker 3: right on all of them. They bet that no foreign
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  Speaker 3: power would put boots on the ground, that's proved true.
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  Speaker 3: They bet they could close the Straight of Humus and
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  Speaker 3: cause worldwide panic.
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  Speaker 5: They did.
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  Speaker 2: That proved correct.
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  Speaker 3: They bet that if they attacked Golf States, they would
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  Speaker 3: force negotiations in its favor, and that pretty much was
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  Speaker 3: the case. And they bet, to your point, Jim, they
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  Speaker 3: could stage a Tienumine Square style crack down on dissonance
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  Speaker 3: and get away with it.
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  Speaker 2: And on each of those bets.
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  Speaker 3: That are the Iranian leadership have made, they've proved correct.
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  Speaker 3: I think what you said, Caleb, you can't start a
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  Speaker 3: war and half asset, especially not with a regime like Iran.
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  Speaker 3: You either beat them or don't bother with it.
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  Speaker 11: This is why I say, I'm not sure why he
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  Speaker 11: bothered to do it in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: They've set back the nuclear sure.
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  Speaker 11: That, but see that was the stated aim in the beginning,
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  Speaker 11: that we're going to deplete their nuclear capabilities, which I
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  Speaker 11: thought they did last year, and they had the attack
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  Speaker 11: on the underground banker, right, we were told we've set
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  Speaker 11: them back years and all this sort of stuff. Then
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  Speaker 11: come February they're going off into another war. Now, if
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  Speaker 11: the state of aim was to new to their nuclear capabilities,
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  Speaker 11: well they did that very early on, and they could
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  Speaker 11: have then moved on and said, well, you go about
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  Speaker 11: your business. No, no, no, they went further than that. Now,
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  Speaker 11: what was the objective of going further than that? Was
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  Speaker 11: it regime change? That's not happened. The only way you
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  Speaker 11: can really have regime change is if you have an
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  Speaker 11: uprising of the people in order to make it happen.
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  Speaker 11: I can't see a situation in which this war was
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  Speaker 11: ever going to end particularly well for the United States,
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  Speaker 11: because unless you were willing to put boots on the ground,
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  Speaker 11: and Trump was never willing to put boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 11: It wasn't going to work, So why go in at all?
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  Speaker 11: You know, I don't think they should have bothered. You know,
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  Speaker 11: is it America's job to be the world police? And
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  Speaker 11: it was the films, even America World Police, But is
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  Speaker 11: it the America's job to be the world police? Trump
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  Speaker 11: promised he wasn't going to do that, and then he
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  Speaker 11: sort of dabbled in it, and then when well, actually,
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  Speaker 11: hang on a minute, this isn't going well, what am
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  Speaker 11: I going to do now?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think he had good reason to believe that
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  Speaker 3: Iran was a threat, a genuine threat to the United States.
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  Speaker 3: There'd been assassination and attempts on Trump's life.
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  Speaker 6: For forty seven years. Let's not start in the last ten.
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  Speaker 4: For forty seven years, the Iranian regime has been saying,
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  Speaker 4: quite publicly, death to America. It's been running a proxy
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  Speaker 4: war against American assets all over the world for forty
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  Speaker 4: seven years. Let's not pretend that this thing just flitted
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  Speaker 4: out post of October seven. This is an existential matter.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, America, I'm with you, Calo. I struggle to
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  Speaker 4: understand what the strategy is because either this is a
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  Speaker 4: deal that's going to be finalized and it is a disaster,
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  Speaker 4: or in the next sixty days something else will happen.
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  Speaker 6: And honestly, I think it's anyone's bet.
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  Speaker 5: I think we wait and see.
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  Speaker 11: One thing we don't have to wait and see, though,
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  Speaker 11: is whether or not if you are a man in
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  Speaker 11: South Australia.
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  Speaker 5: You can be a mum, or if you're a woman
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  Speaker 5: you could be a father.
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  Speaker 11: It all seems very strange, doesn't it. But there's been
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  Speaker 11: a law change that came in to effect yesterday in
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  Speaker 11: South Australia that was pushed by the Greens. Now it's
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  Speaker 11: a bit legalistic, but bear with me for a moment.
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  Speaker 11: There is under the Births, Deaths and Marriages Act such
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  Speaker 11: a thing as a co parent, which basically means mostly
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  Speaker 11: it applies to same sex couples where say you've got
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  Speaker 11: one person who is the biological parent of a child.
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  Speaker 11: So let's say it's two men, right, one man is
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  Speaker 11: the biological father of the child, he is in a
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  Speaker 11: relationship with another man and so on the birth certificate.
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  Speaker 11: That other man who is not biologically related to the
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  Speaker 11: child can be denoted as a co parent. That is
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  Speaker 11: the word that has been used for a parent who
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  Speaker 11: is not a biological parent. You are a co parent
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  Speaker 11: will now under new rules that have been passed in
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  Speaker 11: South Australia, co parents, without having to prove their sex,
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  Speaker 11: will now be able to go off and.
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  Speaker 5: Have birth certificates changed.
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  Speaker 11: To say that they are either a mother, father or parent.
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  Speaker 11: So feasibly you could have a man go in and say,
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  Speaker 11: I want it written a biological man, I want it
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  Speaker 11: written on the birth certificate that I am a mother.
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  Speaker 11: And you may say, well, who cares, I mean, god,
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  Speaker 11: it's just some person who wants something written on a
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  Speaker 11: birth certificate. It does matter because it sets legal precedence.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 11: I've written more about this in the Advertiser tomorrow if
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  Speaker 11: you want to go and read my column. But look
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  Speaker 11: at the giggle versus tickle case. Right when you start
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  Speaker 11: putting things in law, and law does not have to
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  Speaker 11: reflect fact, and of course the fact is that a
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  Speaker 11: biological man cannot be a mother. Once you start putting
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  Speaker 11: this stuff into law, courts might have to make rulings
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  Speaker 11: around this, and then you end up in situations where
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  Speaker 11: things that are not facts become legal facts. And that
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  Speaker 11: is a very dangerous place to in up in. It
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  Speaker 11: is a denial of reality. Denial is not just a
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  Speaker 11: river in Egypt. Robert Simms, who is from the Greens
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  Speaker 11: in South Australia, he said, currently the birth certificate only
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  Speaker 11: allows for mother and father or co parent to be
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  Speaker 11: listed on a certificate. My bill allows co parent, as
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  Speaker 11: I said, to be substituted with parent, father or mother
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  Speaker 11: on the birth certificate if agreed by both parents.
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  Speaker 5: The existing requirement that the birth mother.
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  Speaker 11: Is listed on the Register of Births, Deaths and marriages
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  Speaker 11: and in turn the birth certificate remains untouched. Well, I
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  Speaker 11: don't think that makes it any better. I mean they've
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  Speaker 11: created a loophole here where, and sure it's only available
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  Speaker 11: to a small number of people in South Australia, but
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  Speaker 11: that doesn't change the fact that under law a man
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  Speaker 11: could go and have himself put on a birth certificate
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  Speaker 11: as a mother and a woman could go and have
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  Speaker 11: herself put on a birth certificate as a father.
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  Speaker 5: How is this possible?
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  Speaker 4: Hurts my brain And I also think is this really
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  Speaker 4: the focus of the South Australian Parliament, The good people
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  Speaker 4: of South Australia getting these turkeys delivering.
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  Speaker 6: This stuff instead of myriad other.
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  Speaker 4: Reasons, are other issues that they could conceivably be addressing
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  Speaker 4: in order to make it a better place to live.
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  Speaker 6: But you know this is the Greens, like peak Greens.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what annoys me is is it's meant to be
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  Speaker 3: a birth certificate, not a gender affirmation certificate. And a
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  Speaker 3: birth certificate is about the child, not about mum and
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  Speaker 3: dad or.
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  Speaker 6: How they feel about them, how they feel about themselves.
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  Speaker 3: And so there's more than the corruption of language here.
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  Speaker 3: It's like activists have kidnapped a child's birth certificate and
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  Speaker 3: are now using it for their own purposes to talk
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  Speaker 3: about themselves rather than the person supposed to talk about,
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  Speaker 3: which is the child. And unfortunately, we see quite a
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  Speaker 3: bit of this in that arena, where children are used
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  Speaker 3: occasionally as props for adults who are wanting to satisfy
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  Speaker 3: their own desires. And this is a classic case in
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  Speaker 3: my mind, of adults doing just that. And of course
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  Speaker 3: it's sold under the banner of inclusion. We want to
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  Speaker 3: make people feel comfortable, we want to recognize how people
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  Speaker 3: see themselves and knock yourself out. You can see yourself
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  Speaker 3: any way you want. But as you said, Caleb, this
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  Speaker 3: is a legal document that records the child's history. To
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  Speaker 3: falsify that and to fill it with fictional nonsense is
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  Speaker 3: a disservice to the child and to the Australian Bureau Statistics,
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  Speaker 3: which keeps all of these records.
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  Speaker 11: And I suppose you can make the argument, can't you,
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  Speaker 11: that we've already diddled the birth certificate anyway, because you
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  Speaker 11: can go off and change your birth certificate to have
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  Speaker 11: your sex changed right without requiring any gender reassignment surgery
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  Speaker 11: or whatever. I mean some parts of the country, all
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  Speaker 11: you need is a stat deck basically, and someone to
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  Speaker 11: say that they believe you're doing it in good faith.
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  Speaker 11: In New South Wales is one of them where you
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  Speaker 11: can go in and just change it on that basis.
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  Speaker 11: At least in South Australia, if you want to change
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  Speaker 11: your sex on your birth certificate, you have to prove
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  Speaker 11: that you've been through counseling and you're seeing a pack
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  Speaker 11: and you're being treated in these sorts of things.
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  Speaker 5: But that doesn't make it any better.
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  Speaker 11: You're still changing a legal document to reflect something that
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  Speaker 11: is not a biological fact. But we've already done that,
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  Speaker 11: So I suppose it's only a logical conclusion that you
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  Speaker 11: would then end up with parents being able to change
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  Speaker 11: their agendas on the certificate as well.
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  Speaker 3: What always amuses me about that is if you haven't
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  Speaker 3: done the counseling, then you can't change your biological your
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: sex on the thing. But if you've done the counseling, oh,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: now you are genuinely someone of the opposite sex. As
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: if counseling or even surgery is going to change your
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: genetic makeup.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: It's all a bit called science. Really inconvenient.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Hey tell you what's also inconvenient, ah, the federal budget.
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: It's been what six weeks since the budget got handed down.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: It's been a long time since I've seen a set
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: of policy documents with.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: The stench of death around them, as these do.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: And of course today we woke up to the news that, surprise, surprise,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister, mister Banese has once again.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: That's right, kids, he's changed his position. But it's not
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: a backflip unless it's a backflip.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: So if you're a bit confused about what actually changed today,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: here's a little explainer for you.
• 18:14
  Speaker 12: Turnover threshold for small businesses will increase from two million
• 18:17
  Speaker 12: dollars to ten million dollars labor will remove what opponents
• 18:21
  Speaker 12: labeled a death tax by stealth, it's also consulting on
• 18:25
  Speaker 12: changes for startups.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: Clear as mud.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Absolutely you'll be pleased to know that there's not just
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: one capital gains tax consideration. There are actually four in
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: existence at the moment anyway. So if you're in the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: real economy running a business as i am, I have
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: coped by putting my head under a rock, intimately popping out,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: reading some coverage, screaming into the wind, and then rinsing
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: and repeating. The interesting thing about today, although not unsurprising,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: is that the treasure of mister Chalmers, neither mister Chalmers
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: nor mister Albanese will admit that this is anything other
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: than consultation. Ker and Gilbert our own care and gil
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: but here at Sky had a conversation with the Treasurer
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: and there was no admission of anything other than again
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: that changed position.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: This is quite a backflip, isn't it Not at all?
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: This is the outcome of the consultation that we flagged
• 19:22
  Speaker 13: in the budget papers themselves.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: And we were just talking about the delusion of the
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: situation in South Australia with that legislation. Is there anyone
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: more deluded at this point than our Prime Minister, mister
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Albanez about how much of a train.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Wreck this budget is, how.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Absolutely un I'm going to use the phrase on Australian
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: it does nothing for this country. And outside of the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Union movement and the Labor Party, it is impossible to
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: find a single person, an independent, credentialed economist or similar
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: who looks at this budget and goes, yeah, it's great
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: for the country. It's great for young people, it's great
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: for productivity, this will take our country forward.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: The opposite is true.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: But let's see what mister Albanez said when questioned about,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: for example, the really strong negative reaction from younger generations
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: who this government is trying to gaslyat gaslight rather into
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: believing that this is for their own good politically.
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: Were you surprised by the reaction that came, particularly from
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: younger Australians, younger business owners in particular.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: Not at all.
• 20:25
  Speaker 14: Young Australians have been able to get into their first home,
• 20:30
  Speaker 14: both them and their parents and their grandparents, saying that
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: for the first time, having gone along tried to get
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: a fair crack at the housing market, that they're finally
• 20:40
  Speaker 14: getting a fair.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Go absolutely deluded.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I'm going to quote a smart young woman that I
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: happen to know professionally who the day after the budget
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: came into a meeting and said, this government and the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: people in this cabinet got themselves wealthy. They built wealth,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: they built property, wealth policy settings that they are now
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: taking out from underneath us. Nobody believes your Prime Minister.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Everybody sees straight through it. As Angus Taylor said today,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: the thing is in tatters.
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: This budget is in chaos. It is in tatters because
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: the government simply got it wrong from the start. No
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: point going on with these carveouts.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Scrap it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: It's a hot mess, boys, It just is.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: One way to put it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: I mean it genuinely staggers me that they did not
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: foresee any of this happening, exactly like they genuinely thought
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: they would get away with the intergeneration liquity line and
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: that no one would turn around and go, well, actually
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: you hang on a minute.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: You're telling me I'm going to have to.
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: Pay a different CGT for this portion of earning my
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: business and then that portion of earning my business. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: you know we talked about last night in the OS.
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: You know, if you've got anything worth more than five
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: hundred dollars, you effectively have to get it revalued on
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: the first of July twenty twenty seven because if and
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: when you sell it, if you sell it for a profit,
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: you could be liable for CGT. So if you've got
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: a nice watch, you know you're going to have to
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: go and get that value or painting or they did
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: not think that people would get annoyed by this stuff,
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: so then they wind it back a little bit, like
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: a little bit, and then they go, well, this is
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: the consultation stage. I might misunderstand what consultation is.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: But generally I thought it was when you went and.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: Talked to people before you did something, and then you
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: made a decision. And in this case, you make a decision,
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: people get angry.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: You say, all right, now we'll go and consult it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Why didn't you do that first?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: So you've preempted my point, which is they announced the budget,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: this is what we're doing, and then they have a
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: consultation period where the budget is going to end up
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: completely different or many of the key announcements to what
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: they originally said. So next time the Alban Eazy government,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: if God forbid, they deliver a budget. Are we going
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to believe anything they say on budget time or are
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: we going to say, well, we'll wait and see what
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: happens after the consultation.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: It seems us about, doesn't it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Chapeau for using us about is one hundred percent us about.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: It also reminds me on the consultation piece, they had
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: this small business consultation thing and only invited their mates
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: like that, invited none.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Of the critics, absolutely none of them.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: And the stupid well, one of the many stupidities about
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: this situation is that they didn't just deliver the budget
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: and say, oh, look, we'd like to listen. No, no, no,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: they double down. They triple down. You had that fantastic
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: viral campaign online where young founders and business owners had
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: the cardboard cutouts, so the AI images of Elbow going, hey.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Meet my new business partner.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: He's a silent partner who's taking forty seven percent, but
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: he never does any work. Absolutely brilliant, an old glassdoor.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Elbow had a bit of a silk about it and
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: decided to have a bit of a round table and
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: invited none of them, absolutely none of them. But do
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: you know what it reminds me of It reminds me
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: sadly of the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism. Remember, the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister is like, we don't need one. Security experts said,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: we don't need a Royal Commission, which security experts on
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: just the ones I know, you know, wink wink, nudge, nudge.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: And then after that outcry and that national unity saying no,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Prime minis that we demand answers, he changed his position
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: again and.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Tried to take the credit.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: That's a good example of similarity.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: It is a pat listen, it's a patterner behavior.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: And I once had a wise person say best indication
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: of future behavior.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Is past behavior.
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: Well, tomorrow we'll have the Senate Economics Committee handing down
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: their report into the inquiry that went for four days
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: or something, and I will be covering that extensively tomorrow
• 24:44
  Speaker 11: night on the Bond Report, five pm.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Make sure you are there.
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: But I had a Jeff Wilson on the show last
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: week from Wilson Investments, and he'd been kicking up a
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: stink in the o's and the AFR about the fact
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: that he tried to put his name down to go
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: to the inquiry and no one had replied to him.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: He was under the apprension that he was not welcome.
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: So he then got an email last Friday and I
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: think he said it was twenty one past eleven in
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: the morning saying actually, no, no, no, you can come
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: along and speak, but we need you to confirm by midday.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: So he had all of thirty.
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: Nine minutes to confirm that he would be rocking up,
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: and at that point they still hadn't put out a schedule.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: For this thing.
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's all been so slapped ash, So I'll
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: be really interested to see what they have to say
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: about the budget tomorrow.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Because they haven't had much time to think about it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: It comes back to your point, James, sorry about trust,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: like is it too little, too late forget the mechanics
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of the budget.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: He's cooked his goose.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one believes I believe the word he.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Is going to say ever.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Again that the only people this is worse for than
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: business people is well, the person that's worse for is
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers. His future is potential Prime Minister is absolutely cooked.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that in the papers a little later.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: While Labour are still trying to work out their lines
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: on the budget that was brought down six weeks ago,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: and the Liberals are trying to work out their lines.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a moment.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson has her lines down, Pat he's a reminder
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: of what she said about multiculturalism at the Press Club yesterday.
• 26:23
  Speaker 15: We cannot be a multicultural society. We are a multi
• 26:30
  Speaker 15: racial society, but we must be mono cultural. Australians must
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: live thunder the one cultural umbrella.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: So Angus Taylor came out today and said that Pauline
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Hanson needs to explain that comment because it seems like
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: she's judging people based on the color of their skin
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: and on their race, which we'll talk about in a moment.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: But that's certainly not what I heard.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Garth Hamilton, he's gone absolutely off the deep end
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in his criticism of that speech.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Have a listen to this. Oh sorry, I'm going to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: read it for you. It's not a grab, it's a quote.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: He says.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I am concerned that. Sorry, let me try and find this.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Where am I reading this?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Caleb? Here we go.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Monoculturalism is the mirror image of the social justice warriors
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of the twenty tens, who wanted to harness the force
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: of the law to make anyone of a different view comply.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It's mob rule and the ultimate extension of cancel culture.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Are we to bend the nee to Pauline's many shades
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: of victimhood? Monoculturalism has more in common with sharia law
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: than it does Western liberal democracy.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: That's an outrageous thing to say.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: That's an outrageous offensive thing to say. I don't get offended,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: but that's just the dumbest, most ignorant thing I've heard in.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: A little while. What do you think he's trying I
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: have no idea.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I think he's trying to say that he's imagining Pauline
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Hanson thinks everyone will.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Be exactly the same.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Everyone's in a burger, right, everyone is exactly the same monoculture,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: no variance or diversity at all.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I think that is a character to it, if ever
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: there's been.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: One as so, maybe we will all be in the burker.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: My hair's too good to be in a back. That's
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: the point putting this stuff.
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: Under a rug, that's that's that's the point that you
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: can only show it at home.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: But I understand what he's trying to say. Yeah, Well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: what he's trying.
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: To infer is that it would be, you know, kind
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: of dictated to you centrally how you must think and
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: how you behave, and you know we're all basically the same,
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: which is kind of what you're getting at, right, But
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: the comparison of sharia law, that's a curious one to
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: goo with. It's I don't get it. And what is
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: so strange about it is that, apart from the Charrier
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: law comparison, which is off the planet, is that we
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: know that these kind of attacks on One Nation and
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: paul En Hansen don't work. In fact, they just bolster
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: the One Nation supporter base because they go, if you're
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: going to talk to me, talk down to me like that,
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: then why would I take you seriously? And the big
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: problem for the coalition is that people have left the
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: coalition and gone to One Nation because they're not taking
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: the coalition seriously. They don't think the coalition is serious,
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: they don't think that it's standing up for the country.
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: They don't think it's different enough to the Labor Party,
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: they don't think it can get things done, and they
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: see a genuine alternative.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: In One Nation.
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: You're not going to win those people back by basically
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: saying you're an idiot for supporting one nation. And that's
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: what these comments kind of infer. It's saying, you know, well,
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: if you're in support of Pauline Hansen saying we should
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: be a monocultural country, we all share an Australian culture.
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: To suggest that in any way similar to sharia law
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: will make.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: People go, well, why the hell would I sign up
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: to the coalition?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: You know, well, do you think do you think most
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: people understood what Pauline Hanson meant?
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: Like we talked about it last night.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: I bristled a little bit because you know, my sur
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: name's Tonyini, not Smith. I've got a migrant background, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I don't know how comfortable of
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: it is, but I understood.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: What she was saying.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I think context is everything. If you're listening to the
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: entire speech. She was talking about the dislocation, the discohesion,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: if that's.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: A word's right, it is tonight.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: In that context she said monoculture and everyone understood. Then
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: of course she got stuck into the journalist from the Guardian.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You remember this, taxpayers are paying more than one hundred
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars a year for your daughter Lee
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Hanson to seemingly campaign full time in Tasmania while employee
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is a political advisor for a new South Wales senator.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Did you have any role in appointing her to that position?
• 30:55
  Speaker 15: Honestly, you never give up. I've never seen a person
• 30:58
  Speaker 15: that's such a trashy journalist, you know, and what you
• 31:03
  Speaker 15: put out all the time. You've got this obsession with
• 31:06
  Speaker 15: constantly trying to pull down myself, my party or missus Reyanhart.
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: Whatever you do, you will be banned from my answering.
• 31:14
  Speaker 15: I'll ask you this question today, but I'm telling you
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: now don't come near me for an interview in future.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone in the public would have had
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a problem with that. But Bridget Mackenzie had this to say.
• 31:25
  Speaker 16: But I am concerned that one nation also wants to
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: pick and choose which media they take questions from, who
• 31:33
  Speaker 16: they like or they don't like. That might be okay
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: for Donald Trump to pick and choose which media he
• 31:39
  Speaker 16: takes questions from, but it does not go well.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Two things. Yeah, trying to compare paul En Hanson to
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Clearly the coalition of trying to do that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty did it the other week. The other thing
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: here is Bridget McKenzie saying that the media can do
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: whatever they want and there's zero consequences from politicians who
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: are duty bound to include and answer all media regardless
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: of how they're treated.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think the world works that way.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: And also, let's not be cute.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Let's not pretend that in Canberra politicians pick and choose
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: who they brief all the time. They have a doorstop interview.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: That's a bunch of journalists. You've seen the pictures. They're
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: standing outside a place in Parliament House. They might be
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: five or six of them, and the person being interviewed goes,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: i'll take your question, I'll take your question, et cetera,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: et cetera.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: It happens all the time.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: It's so quaint how they're all being revisionists because they're
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: not sure how to deal with one nation. I don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: think I think the Australian public trusts media.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Here politicians, it's a race to the bottom. This is
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: not the argument for them to be prosecuting.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: And I think it's also making amounted out of a moment.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: Correct, agreed, Agreed, it's what.
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: Pauline Hanson said to Sarah Martin. Really, I think was
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: an Amber claim. Pauline Hanson is doing more media than
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: she's ever done. She's doing unfriendly media, if you want
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: to call it that. I don't think she's going to
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: be turning down any interviews. It is in her interest
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: to be in the media on.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: The cameras as much as possible.
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: I know they've banned the ABC from a few things,
• 33:11
  Speaker 11: but in general, I don't think that's how she's going
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: to conduct herself. It was just her getting her own
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: back at Sarah Martin. Now this is just an unbelievable
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: story out of the UK. You would think that your
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: national flag would be something that you know, you wouldn't
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: be too concerned about seeing out in the wild when
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: you go for a walk or something.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: But the Oxfordshire Council in England.
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: Says no, no, no, we can't have the English flag,
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: we can't have the Union flag being put up on
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: light posts and this sort of thing. In fact, it
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: is now run off to the courts saying please can
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: we have an injunction to ban people from putting up
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: flags on posts near public highways?
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: And get this this is why this.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: Is a quote directly from a spokesperson from the Council.
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: A residence across Oxfordshire from Addabury to Wallingford have complained
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: to the council about safety risks, intimidation and distress.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Linked to this activity.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: The ongoing scale and persistence of the behavior by Raise
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: the Colors, which is a campaign to put up the
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: national flag, has created safety risks, caused to stress within
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: communities and led to abuse and intimidation directed at council
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: teams and residents.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Now, okay, sure you probably shouldn't abuse.
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: A council worker if their superior has told them to
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: go and take the flag down. But this idea that
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: people feel intimidated because the national flag the Union flag
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: has been put up in the UK, You've got to
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: be joking.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: In fact, it is such a joke.
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: There's even a video game dedicated to this very thing
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: where people go around putting up flags and then council
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: workers come and take them down dressed like I mean,
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: that is just super But seriously, a council saying you
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: can't have national flags up, please.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Wait until the first person is arrested and jailed for
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: putting up a national flag. And you think there's riots
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and outrage in the UK, Now it will go ballistic
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: as it should.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: You just wonder what level of poop they're prepared to
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: sit in as a nation before this sort of nonsense
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: rights itself like it's all about the level of pain
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: you're prepared to sort of you know, sit in until
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you sit tenn around and go this is actually just nonsense.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Let's get our ship back on course, let's put flags up,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: let's celebate being British, let's not let's not be whatever that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Is now one of the Russians are taking potshots at
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: yachts in the channel where they're carrying on like that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: We're to go to a break.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: including speculation about just how long Jim Chalmers will remain
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: a treasure that's on the front page of Tomorrow's Australian.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: We'll show you after this welcome back.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Just before we get to the papers, some breaking news
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: AFL legend Tony Modra, who is a superstar for the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Adelaide Crows and later for the Fremantle Dockers, is fighting
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: for his life in hospital tonight after being airlifted to hospital.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: He was involved in an accident where he crashed his
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: cattle truck into a tree just outside Victor Harbor late
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: this afternoon. It's just being reported now that he, as
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I said, has been airlifted to hospital and is reportedly
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: fighting for his life. And that will be a shock
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to many people because you're from South Australia, Caleb. Tony
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Modra is loved in South Australia.
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: Godra, you know, that's what he's called. It's hard to
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: come any bigger than Tony Modra. And what a legend
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: he is for the Adelaide Football club. I mean, he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: the only Bloken in club history to more than one
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: hundred goals in the season. I think he played one
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: hundred and eighteen games for the Crows for four hundred
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: and forty goals. Across his entire career at West Stadeladdin,
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: the Crows and then Fremantle, as you said, he kicked
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: seven hundred goals for one hundred and ninety games. I
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: think it's a pretty extraordinary record. And he's only fifty
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: seven years old. You know, he's still a relatively young man.
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: So let's hope he pulls through because what a tragedy
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: that would be to lose him in that circumstance if
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: that would happen. But as we say, he's in hospital
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: fighting for his life. If there's anyone who can fight,
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: I reckon it's Tony Modra because he put up a
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: pretty good fight on the footy field.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: It's an awful story hoping that he turns that he's okay.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, everyone's best wishes will be absolutely with him
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: and his family tonight. All right, let's look at the papers.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: We'll start with Tomorrow's Herald's son and apparently there's a
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: big game of soccer on Saturday morning. So Friday's paper
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: front page reads, Sorry, Trump, but it's time to make
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: America great again. Soccero's set to silence World Cup doubters,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Australia playing America. Let's go to the front page of
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph. Sorry Trump, it's time to make America
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: grown again. Socceroo's set to silence their World Cup doubters.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of the Advertiser. Sorry Trump,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: but it's time to make America grown again. Let's go
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: to the front page of the Cans Post. Guess what's
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: gonna say, Kaylen, what do you reckon?
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Sorry make America grown again?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: J absolutely right, Jemmy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: If you could guess what's on the front page of
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: tomorrow's Gold Coast Bulletin, what's in your wildest guesses what
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: would have been?
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I want to say something about soccer, about America.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: Make is it make America great again?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: You're close.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: It's sorry Trump, but it's time to make America grown again.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the Hobart Mercury.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: There we go, and if you've.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Guessed it's all about the Soccaroos, you'd be right. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: too is the Northern Territory News up in Darwin. And
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that completes the papers for this evening.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: It was. It was not not a good not a
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: lot time. It was a good time.
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I want to know Sam we if you
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: are watching, the editor of the Herald, Sam, please send
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: me a text and tell me why they were the
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: only paper that went with make America great again as
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: opposed to make America grown again. They thought that's what
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: they were going. Can I also just quickly, can we
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: get the Tasmanian Mercury back if that is possible, because
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: there's something really funny on the top.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: They see at the top.
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: They do not call me Joe Stalin tend me five
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: up and they've the Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe to look like
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: Joseph Stalin.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: So that's that's a little bit of funny.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I that just cheered me up for some reasoned the
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: frivilty of it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: There is other news to of course, so we've we've
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: got the Australian.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: We do.
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: Indeed, on the front of the Australian tomorrow it says
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: Higgins missing million a mystery good headline excuse you from
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: Stephen Russ. More than one million dollars of the two
• 39:56
  Speaker 11: point four million dollar Britney Higgins received in her compensation
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: payout from the Albanese government is yet to be located
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: by her appointed trustee in bankruptcy. Miss Higgins was declared
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: bankrupt in December last year after failing to pay any
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: of the more than one million dollar damages and costs
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: that she owes to former Liberal minister Linda Reynolds, who
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: won a defamation case against her former staffer.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: The trustee has told.
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: Miss Reynolds it appears there is virtually nothing left in
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: the Britney Higgins Protective Trust set up to protect the
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: mammoth payout, with just three thousand dollars remaining in the
• 40:31
  Speaker 11: trust bank account.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: As at February this year.
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: After accounting for mis Higgins's own legal cost and living
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: expenses and her purchase of an hour sold house in France,
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: A substantial amount of the taxpayer fund a two point
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: four million dollar settlement remains yet to be located.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: A careers case.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: It sounds like the Brittney Higgins Protective Trust has been
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: quite protective.
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: It's quite interesting, isn't it. And we shall have to
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: see where all of that goes, sha'n't we? Of course
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: the other things that's doing the rounds tomorrow we talked
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: about it earlier, is the budget and the TiSER, the TiSER,
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: the yours. I got the TASA on the brain because
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: I've got to write my Taza column on a Thursday.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Make sure you read it tomorrow.
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: I did go to the bother of writing it so
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: you could do me the service of reading.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Because it's your birthday. Will read your column to me, Jamie,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: watch your bond report and you're hosting opinion.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: I'm a busy boy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Friday is all about Caleb.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: I tell you, what what are you doing for your birthday?
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: Well, by the time I get out of here and
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: I'm going out to dinner. But I tell you what,
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: the red wines will be flowing by the time is
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: a Temple's absolutely I desecrated, as I said the other night.
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: Now I've got some wine mates in town for the
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: Good Food and Wine Show, so.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: We shall be consuming.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Why very on brand, I know, isn't it?
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: But as I was saying on the front of The Australian,
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: not the tars. They've got plenty of budget there. How
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: could their photo of Anthony album the easy sort of
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: peering over it to Jim Charmers there, I suspect the
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: Prime Minister may be a little unhappy with his Treasurer
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: at the moment, even if it means he'll never be PM.
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: And this is noted by Jiff Chambers on the front
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: of yours headline says is PM's gym membership over boom boom.
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: Jim Charmers is viewed by some prominent private sector leaders
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: as Australia's economic emperor with no clothes and an increasingly
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: diminished figure inside Anthony Albanize's labor government in office buildings
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: and street stores across the country. Business chief, small business
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: owners and investment czars pose uncomfortable questions about the treasurer,
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: including why the Prime Minister doesn't shift charmers out of
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: the plum portfolio.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen go I was wrong with you.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: They might hear you and do it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: Many are perplexed by charmers piecemeal and on the run
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: reforms which they fear damage business and investment confidence and
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: do little dorain in inflational drive, growth, productivity and aspiration.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're not wrong.
• 42:58
  Speaker 11: I wonder whether the PM is keeping in there because
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: he knows it will kill any prime ministerial aspirations that
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: the man has well.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers reminds me of a movie I saw in
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: the nineties, Dead Man Walking. Really, I mean he's cooked,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: He's absolutely cooked. And we all know how brutally savage
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: the Labor Party is when it comes to these matters.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Their executions are swift, merciless.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And it's a funny relationship between a PM and treasurer, right,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: because if the treasurer does too well, then it becomes
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: a threat to the Prime minister. On the other hand,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: if the Treasurer is a dud, well that's a threat
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: to the Prime minister as well.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: So remember Howard and Costello.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: I mean it was famous that Costello was allegedly anxious
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: to have his turn, and Howard wouldn't let go, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: the whole thing went to Helena and handbating.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Correct correct correct correct.
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: Now another budget yarn on the OS labour's just a
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: ceiling on ambition. The government has been accused of putting
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: a ceiling on ambition with limited small business carve outs
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: that will starve traditional industries such as mining of investment
• 43:56
  Speaker 11: and disproportionately punish female founders. Anthony Albinezi bow dramatic pressure
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: over the government's capital gains tax reforms that were heavily
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: criticized as an attack on ambition by ushering in concessions
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: for small businesses and a carve out.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: For innovative businesses.
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: The problem with carveouts is once you carve out for one,
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: then one carve out for everyone's a mess.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Indeed, well, can we join in saying happy one hundred
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: and eightieth birthday to the courier mail.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: That's a great that's a great innings.
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: Well, also happy anniversary. I'll be shot by one of
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: my former bosses if I say happy birthday, because living
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: things can.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, so thank you for being so didactic.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it, mister pennant Aha. Every one hundred and
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: eightieth birthday slash anniversary slash milestone to the Courier Mail,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: we are for Queensland.
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: And that lovely photo that's actually great pick there of.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Trent Dalton and Sally Anna Atkinson are two of the
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: thousands of Queenslanders who have told the state stories reporters
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: at the Courier Mail. Today as we the paper marks
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: our eight and eightieth birthday, see they said, birthday, Thank
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: you Caleb. With this special edition, the pair reminisce about
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: their memories of how the paper changed their lives. The
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: newsroom was the greatest writing masterclass, said Dalton, one of
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Australia's most loved authors.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: I love his work.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: One of the things I liked is that you've got
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: to talk to people, said Atkinson, the first and so
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: far only female Brisbane Lord mayor God bless your Caurier Mail.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Have a good birthday, live your best life.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: And you're an alumni.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: You we have to hear your career aged seventeen.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: Telling us to go to a break. But I think
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: you've got a great story with.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Mad very fond memories of the career. Mail.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: We are going to go to a break and normally
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: i would tell you what's coming up, but I'm going
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to let Caleb do it tonight.
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: And that is because James McPherson will be the subject
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: of one of our stories in CIG three. He did
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: something at the National Press Club yesterday that he's absolutely
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: foul appart.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Like to show it to you.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Now.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I'm as big a fan of tennis is anybody, but Jimmy,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to start putting an adults only waiting
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: on the tennis.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: I think that I have to.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Put my glasses on for this one because there's a
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: little bit of pronunciation involved. Foul mouthed Frenchman Klorantine moute.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: I'm told that that was correct. Face is a heavy.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Fine from the tennis gods for this little episode pace me.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, I would have to serve and I
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: would have to no f coombs.
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: Please, no, no, no, I'm gonna ask you one more question,
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: so please keep it clean.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, you on the grass last week unfortunately didn't go
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: You're away. What's it like to get your first victory? Okay?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Paranta. We need to improve that for.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: The next raind of.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: I mean he's playing to the crowd.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: My mom has a swear gi FYI and he would
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: be in so much trouble if that.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: If she was in the in the crowd. But I mean, look,
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: he's playing to the crowd. I sorry, I can't but laugh.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to North Queensland Townsville, suburb of
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Bushland Beach. A local homeowner found two five meter long
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: pythons fighting in the backyard. And we're told that when
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: male pythons fight, it's usually over a female. I've got
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: to admit it's the slowest punch up over a woman
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: that I.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Reckon I've ever seen in my life.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: But there's the snake catchers and they grab these two
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: five meter long pythons and take them away as only
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: North Queenslanders can calmly, no dramas.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: At least they go.
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: Pythons in is that they're not generally a threat to
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: human beings there, not the ones you have to worry about.
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: But still it'd be having one of them in the backyard.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: I don't think I'd like it for it scream and
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: run away. That would be my strategy James.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: James fights better over birds than that. I have to say.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I just want to keep talking about the snakes so
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: we don't have to get it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: That's how we ended up with this.
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: Have you a lovely wife, and I must ask her
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: why she let you do this?
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: In fact, I know she hold you up for.
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: It yesterday because you were at the National Press Club.
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: See Pauline Hanson speak first time in thirty years.
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: She's rocked up.
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: And here on the televisual service is mister McPherson at
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: the National Press Club chewing on a piece of gum,
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: twirling a glass of red in his hand. So presumably
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: you were drinking that glass of red while you were
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: chewing gum.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Is that correct?
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: You know, Lisa, who advises all sorts of prominent people
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: on the media, actually whispered to meet James. There are
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: two cameras pointing at us. Get the gum out of
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: your mouth, and I should listen to her more often.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Look, in general, you should listen to your wife more often,
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: But in this instance, absolutely you should have listened to it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: How do you drink red wine with chewing gum which
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: isn't flavor or stuffed mint?
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Well, no, because it was an old piece of chewing gum,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: so there's no flavoring. It took in the flavor of
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: the wine, so then you could not only drink the wine.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's like you were chewing the wine.
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: It was.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Spirit inside.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: We just died a little bit.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: It's going to catch on.
• 49:04
  Speaker 11: You don't think you're married, because you wouldn't be picking
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: up chicks after that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for stick around for the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: repeating reader, Penny Show and Caleb Happy Birthday.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: For the Happy Birthday Caleb, thank you