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MINI SCROLL: Sky Ferreira vs. Charli xcx, Leaked Labs update, Lauren Blake AI face swap scandal + Bald Ann Dowd meets Ann Dowd · Mini Scroll

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  Keep scrolling for OK. The first story that I have for
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  you guys today is I'm going to break down what is going on
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  between Sky Ferrera and Charli XCX.
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  So there's been a bit of music world drama this weekend
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  involving Charlie XCX and Sky Ferreira after Sky made some
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  comments about Charlie's soundtrack album Wuthering
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  Heights. Sky is a pop Electra
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  singer-songwriter, so she was first discovered after posting
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  on Myspace as a teenager. I love that.
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  And then she really rose to prominence in the early 20 tens.
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  She never reached like true mainstream success, I would say,
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  but she has maintained A cult fanbase.
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  She's collaborated with Charlie, you know, she's definitely,
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  like, considered very influential and prominent in
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  like, this indie pop space. OK, so the drama first kicked
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  off when Sky responded to a meme online about Charlie inviting
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  her into the studio for the Wuthering Heights album.
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  Sky commented on this meme and she said quote to record my old
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  songs. So that sparked speculation that
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  some of Sky's unreleased material or demos might have
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  been used in Charlie's project. Things escalated on X tweeted a
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  screenshot claiming that they were texting with an industry
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  insider about this theory and that the insider claimed that
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  tracks like Eyes of the World, Chains of Love, and Altars were
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  lifted from Sky's old demos. So they posted a screenshot of
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  this text message and then Sky was in the comments and Sky
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  wrote your industry insider is wrong.
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  Close but wrong. I'm not going to get into it,
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  but it definitely is more than an intro.
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  I have proof of everything with dates.
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  It isn't worth the trouble because I know how the world
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  works. So when she says intro, I assume
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  she means like more than an intro of like her music is being
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  used in this in this album. Then she continued.
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  I wasn't going to say anything. I'm over being dragged and
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  humiliated for no reason. It brought back a lot of things
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  I've worked really hard to move past.
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  No one quote UN quote saved or helped me.
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  My life was destroyed for over 10 years and it's a public joke.
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  Joke publications, etcetera. It isn't funny.
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  It allows people to disrespect and take advantage of me or to
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  manipulate multiple situations based on their perception of me.
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  I wasn't allowed to do anything. I mind my own business, so I
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  don't know why everything is so loaded.
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  I don't want to be harassed. I don't want the actions of
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  multiple people fucking things up for me and my album.
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  I'm an honest person. People don't care about the
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  truth. It's about whatever narrative is
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  fitting or more exciting. I'm glad I can finally move on
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  with my life. So Charlie's team stepped in
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  with an official response after Sky kept posting about this
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  stuff on social media. They told Billboard that when
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  putting together the Wuthering Heights album, a standard review
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  was done on some tracks that included fragments from older
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  sessions. They said everyone, artists,
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  producers, legal reps and managers reviewed all the
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  materials together and that songwriting credits and splits
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  were agreed on in writing before the album dropped.
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  Their statement also stressed that Charlie always values
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  collaborators and quote shares credits fairly and
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  appropriately. Sky has not responded to this
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  statement, but essentially what is happening here is Sky seems
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  to think that some of her older work was being used without
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  proper recognition. And Charlie's team says that
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  everything was reviewed and credited properly before
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  release. And I wasn't sure where fans
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  were going to sit on this because like I said, even though
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  Sky hasn't reached necessarily like mainstream success, or at
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  least over the past decade hasn't been like super
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  mainstream, she has some very culty fans.
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  But when I was all in the reddits, it seems like most
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  people are very much understanding where Charlie's
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  coming from and where her team is coming from.
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  So let me read you some of the top comments.
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  Illustrious Cat 9897 wrote Sky has done this before to Dev
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  Heinz where she got mad. He said he wrote a song for her
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  before he performed it and he stood up for himself that the
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  song was in the recognizable form before Sky performed it and
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  that she just made it better and Sky kind of walked it back
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  after. I just feel like she doesn't
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  help herself much but I also feel bad because she I basically
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  said she knew how this would turn out because of how she's
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  perceived but at the same time that didn't happen out of
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  nowhere. Charlie on the other hand is
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  very professional when it comes to her music so I lean towards
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  believing her. But if Sky has evidence I hope
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  she posts it. Fake Empire wrote as the Sky
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  stand through and through. She's making it very hard for me
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  to offend her here. Not going to interpret her
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  feelings on the matter, but based on the similarities heard,
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  IE the intro of Chains of Love being the same intro as a leaked
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  Sky demo Ancient idols. There were probably things just
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  in the producer pulled from tracks he worked on with Sky
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  that ended up going nowhere. Honestly this began because
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  someone on Twitter with a large following made a joke about what
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  Sky does for her income and she responded defensively and
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  Charlie caught a stray in her defensiveness.
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  So what this Reddit post is referring to is somebody on X
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  quote tweeted a clip of Sky like a Sky music video and wrote I
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  wonder what's her form of income and then she responded and then
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  yes exactly this kind of all snowballed from there.
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  DD boy on Reddit wrote I caught it like that too.
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  It's her lashing out at public narratives.
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  More like a targeted attack aimed at Charlie.
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  Even if Charlie caught strays. Even then the question is common
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  and even in Sky Ferreira fan spaces people are asking that
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  because we genuinely don't see much of her besides rare red
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  carpet appearances and like a yearly interview photo shoot.
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  I'm sure she's annoyed but This is why celebrities have to be
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  careful about engaging with fans in social media.
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  Her fans are being so like level headed about all of this.
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  It's really interesting to see because usually that is not the
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  vibe that we get. I wonder how old her fandom is,
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  and I know that's maybe a weird thing to say, but I feel like
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  we've talked about that here and there where I truly do believe a
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  lot of the time when we get unhinged, like parasocial
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  comments and people just being like really inappropriate around
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  celebrities and famous people. I think some celebrities and
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  famous people are the same thing, celebrities and creators.
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  Sometimes I think we forget probably how young those users
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  are who are engaging that behavior and we often treat it
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  like they are. I don't know, let's say like 25
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  plus when sometimes they're like 11, you know, all right, the
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  next right that I have for you guys today, the saga with the
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  lipstick lesbians and their beauty brand leaked labs
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  continues. So I have covered leaked labs
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  twice now. First, I covered the backlash
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  around their initial product launch and like the general
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  brand concept and 2nd, I covered the lipstick lesbians response
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  to this. But it has been a couple weeks
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  since then and things have only gotten worse for the duo, and
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  they've now made another response video that has further
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  confused consumers. So I'm going to give you guys a
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  refresh on the situation again in case you missed the other
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  episodes. But also because I have since
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  learned more about the brand vision that I think was missing
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  from my initial coverage, So I want to make sure that all of
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  the bases are covered. So Leaked Labs is a makeup brand
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  founded by Alexis and Christina, who are the lipstick lesbians on
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  social media. Their whole concept is that they
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  take cosmetic product ideas that bigger brands rejected and then
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  they quote UN quote leak them to the public in small limited
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  drops to see if people actually like them.
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  So that is the part that was missing for me.
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  I knew that these quote UN quote leaks were essentially like
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  unfinished products where it was like, OK, let's see if people
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  like them. I didn't realize initially that
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  they were taking formulations and products ideas that were
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  rejected from bigger brands. So once a product is released,
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  essentially it can go one of three ways for them.
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  It can become a regular permanent product if consumers
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  love it, it can get reformulated and relaunched based on consumer
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  feedback, or it just gets scrapped completely.
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  The criticism around the brand is that they are charging
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  consumers to essentially buy and test unfinished products that
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  other brands rejected, presumably for a reason.
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  And there's also concern that this whole situation, this whole
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  brand concept sets like a weird precedent within the industry
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  where beauty brands may feel like they can now charge
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  consumers to participate in R&D rather than the other way around
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  because traditionally, of course, consumers are usually
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  participating maybe for free, but often they're paid to
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  participate in like consumer testing grounds.
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  And then there was also criticism around their first
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  launch, which is called flexi powder.
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  It's kind of like an eyeshadow, I guess.
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  And the way it's packaged is almost like unbreakable makeup.
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  And that was initially what people were saying, like they
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  should have just marketed this as unbreakable makeup or like
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  travel makeup. But it comes on like very flat,
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  tiny discs. And yeah, it's like a a shimmery
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  powder. So people were questioning how
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  the product stays clean after use.
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  And they were also saying there were issues with consistency in
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  the formula's thickness, which apparently varies between
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  shades. So in response to this, the
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  women posted a video with their chemist Andrea, who tried to
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  explain that the thickness difference happens because
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  certain pigments or shimmer particles absorb the binder
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  differently. So basically, some shades need
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  more binder to hold together, so they end up thicker than others.
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  But this has led to some of the shades being more fragile and
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  prone to breakage. So this explanation did not
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  satisfy people. Many people in the comments
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  section who claimed to be scientists or just like involved
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  in makeup production in general have said that, of course,
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  standard to be working with different shades that react
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  differently, like different pigments react differently.
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  But most professionals would know how to tweak each formula
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  to ensure each shade is consistently the same thickness
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  for the consumer purchasing it. And then their most recent video
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  they posted at the airport, they said that they were traveling
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  and they apologized for, you know, not being as responsive as
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  they wanted to be at the time. And they said that they
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  underestimated how much feedback they get.
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  And then Alexis said that she didn't realize how many people
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  wanted to buy retail ready products from her.
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  With Leaked Labs, we can explain to you that our intention with
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  these goods is to push them to their limits or bring them to
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  market as is, when we feel so compelled by the sheer
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  innovation of it all. I'm actually so humbled by the
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  amount of people that wanted a retail ready brand from me and
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  us. I really am.
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  I didn't expect that you will get that in some version, just
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  not the way you're used to getting it.
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  Otherwise, I'm in the sea of sameness with everyone else, and
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  that's the place I never want to be.
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  People are like, that is such a weird thing to say.
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  Like, obviously a consumer who is spending their money wants to
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  buy products that are ready for use.
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  I understand the concept is like, oh, you know, we can make
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  the products together, like give us your feedback and we'll
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  respond to it. But at the end of the day,
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  people still want products that are retail ready.
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  I don't think anybody went into this under the impression that
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  they were spending that amount of money for a product that was
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  like genuinely unfinished. So the other element of this
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  that I actually didn't touch on in my original coverage is how
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  expensive these products are. And again, they are admittedly
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  from the founder's mouth, not retail ready products.
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  So Jen Love did a breakdown of the pricing and she explained
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  how Leaked Labs is charging $17.00 per gram of products for
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  their first drop reminder. Unfinished products $17.00 per
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  gram. OK, so she compared this to
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  similar eyeshadow products from luxury brands.
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  So she said Tom Ford charges 1370 one $13.71 per gram of
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  product and Pat McGrath charges $6.40 per gram of products.
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  Even Tom Ford is like $4.00 less than what the lipstick let.
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  Then what Leaks Labs is charging for this?
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  OK, so they're obviously gonna come out with their second drop
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  and it'll be interesting to see if they take any of this
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  feedback on board. But like what you guys think
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  about this, I personally don't think that Leach Labs is a cash
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  grab. I think it's more so them trying
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  to have a moment. Like I really see this as them
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  trying to do something for the sake of doing something for the
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  headlines, for the ability to say like they're innovative,
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  they're different. Like for the attention around
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  that. I don't think that this is like
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  a money cash grab. But I think at the end of the
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  day, the strategy was not well thought out at all.
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  It feels like they're trying to be different for different sake
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  and sometimes that just does not work.
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  All right, the next story that I have for you guys today is
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  influencer Lauren Blake is blaming AI for her face being
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  edited on to a black models body.
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  I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen this, it's been going viral
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  all week. But a white influencer named
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  Lauren Blake Boltier got called out online after posting what
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  looked to be this like gorgeous tennis event photo of herself,
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  except it was not actually her photo.
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  Content creator Tatiana Elizabeth posted a video calling
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  Lauren out saying that there was some weird like face swap
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  situation that went on where Lauren literally put her face on
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  Tatiana's body. So everything about the photo is
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  the same, OK? Like the outfit, the pose,
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  accessory, threes, even a tattoo.
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  They were basically identical to Tatiana's original photo which
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  was posted in 2024 from the US Open.
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  However, Lauren posted it like basically claiming or pretending
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  that it was in real time and tagged the Miami Open, I guess
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  to make it look like she was there.
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  So this went viral when Tatiana called it out and her video has
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  over 4 million views. OK guys, come in.
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  This photo to the right is a photo of me at the US Open in
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  2024. This photo to the left is a
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  photo that I came across this morning on Instagram of someone
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  who castrated me and decided to use my image and my environment.
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  I initially thought that it was one of those faceless AI pages
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  but come to my realization, this is an actual person with 1.6
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  million followers at that and by no means am I trying to bash
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  this girl. Central health is real and I'm
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  not a bully. I'm a little perplexed.
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  Just want to know what was the reason?
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  Has social media got into our heads that much that we are
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  completely disregarding? Coof.
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  Another part that gets me is that this has been up since this
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  morning. I commented up this morning.
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  This girl has not reached out to me.
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  She has not apologized, she has not given an explanation and
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  probably embarrassed, which she should be.
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  But I think that the nice and accountable thing to do would be
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  to reach out and at least apologize to the person who's
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  photo you. So like, what the heck?
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  But yeah, information. Don't do this.
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  After the backlash, Lauren deleted the photo and DM Ed
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  Tatiana and said this. This is the first thing that
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  Lauren had to say to me yesterday.
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  This was her first response. She sent it out like 2:00 PM.
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  Hey babe pissed me off as well as the lots of moving parts.
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  Kind of pissed me off. At about an hour later, I
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  received another message from her and this is what she had to
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  say in the second message. And at this point is when I
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  realized that I'm dealing with someone who just doesn't really
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  truly understand the weight of what she did and doesn't care.
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  She's trying to shift blame onto her team and she's trying to
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  shift blame onto an AI service. I don't know if she thinks that
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  I'm stupid, dumb, or blind. However, I know that to use AI,
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  you need a prompt. And in order to have a prompt,
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  you need to have a picture and you had to find the picture from
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  somewhere. I would have appreciated it way
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  more if this girl would have just owned up to it, say, Oh my
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  God, this is so embarrassing. This is so crazy.
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  I found your picture on Pinterest.
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  My team found your picture on Pinterest and we took it and we
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  ran with it. But I think that she's not even
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  taking accountability. And that's the part that's just
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  making me so annoyed because I feel like I tried to give her so
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  much grace was never my intention to bash this girl.
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  As I said in my first video, I have not called her out of her
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  name. I have not said anything
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  negative or rude about her. I'm simply stating the facts.
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  And now it's become a bigger problem than it initially was
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  for me. Like the people who follow me
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  and support me understood and understand everything that I've
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  done to get to this point and to get to the point of being
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  invited to the US Open by Serena Williams.
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  You can't just take that moment away, put your head on it and
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  act like that's OK. That's a black woman.
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  I have had to work so hard to be in some of the rooms that I've
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  been in. I know for a fact that I've
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  kicked down certain doors. I know for a fact that I've been
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  one out of one out of 1 black girls in a room full of 12 white
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  women as a part of a brand trip or a brand event.
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  I've been doing this for 10 years.
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  This is not new to me. I think that it's completely and
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  utterly disrespectful to take the work from someone else who
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  has a smaller following than you and act like they don't exist.
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  Minimize their work. Minimize their experience.
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  It is that serious. I'm so sorry.
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  And then she also posted this on Instagram.
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  Quote I want to address a recent post created by a third party AI
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  content agency I've been working with.
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  It was brought to my attention that an image posted utilized
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  the work and likeness of a Black creator in a way that is
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  entirely inconsistent with my values.
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  I take full responsibility for what appears on my platforms.
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  The post was removed and I've spoken with the creator
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  privately to apologize. I will have more oversight with
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  my agency to ensure my content is handled with the integrity
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  and respect it deserves moving forward.
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  I am deeply sorry for the hurt that this has caused the
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  original creator and the community at large.
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  Thank you to those who have spoken up.
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  I'm listening and I'm committed to doing better.
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  This is reminding me of the Georgie Stevens response where
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  they're trying to pass it off to like a third party who is in
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  control of their accounts. And maybe that's the case, like
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  I said with Georgie, maybe it's the case that she does have a
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  paid agency that's creating this content for her.
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  But I think it's weird for Lauren to have blamed like an AI
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  agency. I guess like there's no other
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  explanation. Obviously this was AI.
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  Like this was like an AI face swap.
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  So obviously at the end of the day, like AI was used here.
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  So she couldn't, I guess, avoid the AI side of things.
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  But admitting that you are using an AI content agency, like what
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  are you using that for as an influencer?
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  Why would you need an AI content agency as an Instagram
• 19:49
  influencer? Because based on what's
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  happened, I'm assuming that this agency creates content like
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  they're a generative AI platform or service.
• 19:58
  It's not like a workflow software that's helping you
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  write captions or like scheduling your post or
• 20:03
  something. Like they're clearly generating
• 20:05
  images for you, which I think is a crazy thing for her to have
• 20:08
  admitted to her. Like, what does she have like
• 20:10
  1.3 million followers or something like that?
• 20:12
  Yeah, 1.6 million followers. There are also people in the
• 20:15
  comments section claiming that she's done this before.
• 20:17
  There's no way for me to verify this, but there are people
• 20:19
  sharing screenshots of like side by side photos where she has
• 20:22
  alleged. Actually put her face on other
• 20:24
  creators bodies or images times before.
• 20:27
  And finally, TMZ actually did a Zoom interview with Tatiana, and
• 20:31
  here's what she said about it. I'm assuming you saw her
• 20:34
  statement saying that AI is the reason behind the mix up.
• 20:38
  Do you believe? Let me ask you that, do you
• 20:40
  believe her explanation? Absolutely not.
• 20:42
  I mean, I'm not born yesterday. I feel like we're all kind of in
• 20:45
  the space right now of experimenting with AI, and I
• 20:47
  know enough to know that you have to at least have a prompt
• 20:50
  or an inspiration image or something of that sort.
• 20:53
  So I completely don't buy that at all.
• 20:55
  I think that she's just trying to like, avoid blame.
• 20:58
  I know like she actually wrote a statement later after our
• 21:01
  exclusive story but basically got a sorry message.
• 21:05
  Did she ever reach out to you directly to apologize?
• 21:10
  Yeah, she reached out to me yesterday in midday, kind of
• 21:14
  after everything has happened, after it's kind of blown over a
• 21:17
  little bit, she reached out with a message saying it's a lot of
• 21:20
  moving pieces and that she'll reach out to me later with a
• 21:23
  formal apology. So then she reached out again
• 21:26
  with a written apology note, and then she later unsent that and
• 21:30
  then sent another apology note. But it's just been weird.
• 21:34
  And with that being said, do you accept her apology?
• 21:38
  I not particularly because I don't think that it's coming
• 21:42
  from a super sincere place. I think that she just wants the
• 21:44
  situation to blow over and to kind of get back to things, to
• 21:48
  schedule programming. She didn't really make any real.
• 21:53
  I don't think she was on it. I don't think she was authentic
• 21:55
  in her apology. I think she's just saying what
• 21:56
  she thinks she needs to say in order to kind of move past this.
• 21:59
  She took like she took my work, like I got invited to the US
• 22:05
  Open by Serena Williams, like I went to the US.
• 22:07
  That was a very, that was an experience that I that was a
• 22:12
  privilege to go due to my hard work that I've put in over the
• 22:15
  past eight years. It's not just an image of me
• 22:18
  there. And I feel like I personally try
• 22:20
  to do a good job of bread crumbing and showing a little
• 22:22
  bit more of the story behind the post.
• 22:25
  It's not just, hey, let me look cute and take a pretty picture
• 22:28
  here. That whole swipe within the
• 22:30
  post, it's me sharing my full on experience.
• 22:33
  So I feel like to just take that and put your head on top of it,
• 22:36
  it's crazy. I really hate how AI can now
• 22:39
  just be used as an excuse for people when they mess up.
• 22:42
  That is something that I don't think I anticipated when I don't
• 22:46
  know. We talk about like the
• 22:48
  consequences of AI and some of the benefits of AI, but also
• 22:51
  kind of, you know, the downfalls of AI.
• 22:53
  Like when we have these conversations, I have really
• 22:55
  never thought about how easy it's going to be now for people
• 22:58
  to just blame AIAI having hallucinations.
• 23:02
  AI just like going off on its own and like doing whatever it
• 23:05
  wants. And so many people in any number
• 23:07
  of fields being able to pass the blame off to like the robot.
• 23:11
  All right, and the last story that I have for you guys today.
• 23:14
  This is so chronically online, but for those of you on Stand
• 23:17
  Twitter, hopefully you will appreciate this but Bald and
• 23:22
  Dowd has met Ann Dowd. So for those of you who are
• 23:26
  unfamiliar, Bald Ann Dowd is a very infamous Stand Twitter
• 23:29
  account. The account is run by Allison
• 23:31
  Savitz. She started the account in 2011
• 23:34
  when she was around 11 years old as a Justin Bieber fan account.
• 23:37
  She's now in her mid 20s and is a pop culture account posting
• 23:41
  commentary and memes and she has accumulated over 67,000
• 23:44
  followers. She is known as Bald Ann Dowd
• 23:47
  because the icon is a picture of the actress but she is bald.
• 23:50
  She's basically just like one of those accounts that if you are
• 23:53
  not on Twitter, you might not fully understand her influence.
• 23:56
  OK, but she is definitely very well known within the Stan
• 24:00
  community. Having said that, today is a big
• 24:02
  day for Stan Twitter because Allison has officially met and
• 24:05
  out. They met at an event for the
• 24:07
  Testaments, which is like an upcoming drama on Hulu and
• 24:10
  Anna's in the cast. So bald and out post a picture
• 24:14
  alongside the actress to her account with the caption.
• 24:16
  Hi guys. It's since accumulated over
• 24:18
  500,000 views and 16,000 legs. And then she shared a follow up
• 24:23
  tweet writing can't even begin to explain how lovely and out
• 24:26
  is. I could cry.
• 24:27
  Anyway, the meet up has been monumental.
• 24:30
  So many other famous Dan Twitter accounts have posted about the
• 24:33
  two meeting up at film updates shared the picture writing bald
• 24:37
  and out and and out stun and newly shared photo.
• 24:40
  OK, I love how it's like I know it's because pop pop, not pop
• 24:43
  base. Oh my God, Pop crave started the
• 24:46
  whole like so and so stuns and now everybody just like memes
• 24:49
  up. But I love how all of the pop
• 24:50
  culture update accounts always use stuns.
• 24:52
  Pop crave posted about it writing ex user bald and out has
• 24:56
  officially met and out. And then my favorite of all is
• 25:00
  people are editing the photo to make both women appear to be
• 25:04
  bald. So that's a fun little stand.
• 25:07
  Twitter update to end the episode today.
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  Anyways, guys, thank you so much for listening.
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  I love you. Please remember to rate, review
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  tomorrow for mini tech and then I will talk to you on Thursday.
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