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  Family, friends, loved ones, enemies, frenemies, Wizards which is
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  I'm your host, Anthony. I find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore
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  that's pro two Underscores, A and T. In tonight's episode of disguised coverage.
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  I am joined by one of my favorite guests to really do a full
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  scale wide receiver episode coming out of the NFL Combine. Wide receiver obviously a
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  position of need for the Buffalo Bills this offseason and a position that a lot
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  of fans are clamoring for to be addressed with that twenty eighth pick in the
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  first round. And there's depth at this position group. There's top tier talent
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  at this position group, and the NFL Combine did not disappoint when it came
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  to guys at this spot really being able to show out in a variety of
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  forms and fashions, and that may potentially tip the scales in the favor of
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  some or in the non favor of others in terms of some moving, some
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  shaking, some risers, some fallers. We got some questions. We're going
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  to go through and dive into intnight's episode, all within the framework of kind
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  of teering and ranking this wide receiver group and kind of starting to put things
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  into perspective in terms of the draft board for the Bills and the NFL in
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  general, as free agency kicks off next week and really starts to finalize what
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  teams boards and needs are going to look like. But as I mentioned,
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  I'm joined by one of my favorite guests. I don't I think it's your
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  fourth time on the show. I kind of lost at this point. But
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  mister j Pacosta of ESP Nation, trendsetter, just jet setter, hitting all
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  these awesome events. Is the season is winding down, mad Famous now like
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  you're just You're just everywhere. But when you're here, like I said,
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  you are one of my favorite people, just with how you cover the game,
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  your love for wrestling and anime and Disney World and all that kind of
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  stuff. You're awesome. I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks for being
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  here, Thanks for having me on again. It feels like we're kind of
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  hitting the home stretch of the NFL offseason. You know where free agency is
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  starting up. We got the draft, we got the Combine out the way,
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  which feels like a major cross cross off the list. I'm just ready
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  for vacation. That's really what we're heading towards. I know, as soon
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  as we file that last draft report, I am headed somewhere where I'm not
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  thinking about work. But I'm happy to be back on I'm in a similar
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  like boat with once like I love this time of year, but once the
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  draft is done, that's Sunday, I'm just like ah, And then I'm
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  like, no, wait, I got to put together stuff for like who
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  the bills took and all these things that happened, and then it's that next
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  week. After that, I'm like I might take a two week break,
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  Like I'm so burnt out and like even more for you because you do this
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  full time. Actually, kind of speaking of that, like what's everything you
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  everywhere you've been and everything you've done. What is your I mean, the
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  Miles Garrett thing was pretty cool, But what's been your favorite experience over the
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  last like month or so for you? Because you've had a lot of the
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  panic stuff. Was all like just what was your favorite thing? Because your
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  your Twitter has been rolling, You've been just having so many awesome moments,
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  what's been like the best thing for you? I think my favorite thing was
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  talking about anime with players at the Super Bowl at Radio Row. Was there
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  for work, was working with rhol who runs blogging the Voice for us.
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  We did podcast hits and we talked with Miles Garrett of course, and we
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  talked about anime for a good like five minutes after if you want, if
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  you want to know when he was talking about when in the first round of
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  the playoffs, they played the text and he said, Myles Garrett Hunter Association.
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  He was talking about Hunter Hunter and not Solo leveling. I asked him
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  about it, he let me know. He also said Vinlin Saga is one
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  of his favorite animes ever. So if you if you want a recommendation straight
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  from Miles Garrett, it's that one. Was talking with Jamal Williams as well.
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  Wore a Power Rangers shirt to the interview, which was fantastic, and
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  we talked about Attack on Titan, which is one of my favorite animes ever.
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  So it's just those moments where you get to talk with guys about things
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  that had nothing to do with football. I figured out Kirk Cousins is a
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  huge Disney World fan. We talked about the world for a long time.
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  He said his favorite park. I believe he said his favorite park was Epcot,
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  but it could change any different and that's on brand for him, though
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  I could say, I mean Epcot's sweet, but I totally see that as
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  on brand for Kirk Cousins. Yeah, he's a parent with kids. He's
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  got kids and he needs to get somewhere where he can walk around, let
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  them stretch their legs out. Epcot definitely makes a lot of sense. I
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  was able to ask him about the NFL Honor's Dance, So just being able
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  to do those things and kind of ask some questions that had nothing to do
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  with football really was really fun to me. It's always those little like non
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  expected moments like that you don't again like expect, like my I've been at
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  the Senior Bowl the past two years now, and my favorite experience was last
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  year. At the end of the afternoon practice on that first Tuesday, Tony
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  Khan was there and I walked up to Tony Khan and just like nobody was
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  talking to him because nobody in the football circles probably care that he's there,
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  and he was wearing an AHw shirt, and I walked up and just like
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  introduced myself and said, like, you know, how much I appreciated what
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  he did for like wrestling here and starting aw and that. And I went
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  to go leave, and he like pulled me back and we talked wrestling for
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  like fifteen minutes, and then we're talking about like, you know, Jay
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  Briscoe had passed like a recently. At that time, we were talking about
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  them and their history and their dad who played in the NFL, and like
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  it was such an awesome time and like people are always say, man,
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  like what's your favorite part of the Senior Bowl. I was like talking wrestling
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  with Tony kh and They're like no, I'm like, yeah, talking wrestling
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  with Tony Kak like that. It's just those little, those little nuggets.
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  Yeah. Like last year I was there and I was able to talk with
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  Will McDonald about anime for like twenty minutes. He was wearing a Hunter Hunter
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  hoodie and that just on a completely different conversation that we had for like twenty
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  minutes after. It was a group of writers who all loved the anime.
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  We talked about literally like every single anime he was watching. He said he
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  loved Demas Layer. He actually said he was gonna get a tattoo of the
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  other main character from Hunter Hunter Gone Freaks on his arm, because you already
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  had one of Kilowa when the last time we talked. So I'm hoping he
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  got that second tattoo. Of course, with NFL money you probably do,
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  but I'm hoping. I'm hoping to get a story up off the ground at
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  Espionation hopefully in the future about the connection between the NFL, NFL players and
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  anime, because it is a lot it was a lot bigger of a crossover
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  than you think. And those are the cool things too, Like you don't,
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  I guess, at least for me. Like you you see these people
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  who like play like famous people in general, like movie stars and like celebrities
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  and professional athletes. Like at the end of the day, like there's still
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  people and they still like the regular things that like you do, and it's
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  cool just to like, yeah, see those experiences and have those experiences.
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  I remember one of the dudes who I was there with last year from cover
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  one, like his opening question for everybody the combine was like who wins in
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  a fight? Godzilla or King Kong? And there were so many dudes that
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  really got into it, and I was like, oh, you're really like
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  into King Kong, Godzilla and the monstervers like this is pretty sick. And
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  yeah, just the way they like open up as people. And again that's
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  part of the reason why I love the work that you do. Like you
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  know, ball, you break down tape, but then your ability to kind
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  of like make these other types of connections, like you operate in a space
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  from a ball knowing perspective and also from like an entertainment crossover perspective, then
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  not a lot of people operate in or operate in more of a clunky fashion,
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  and you just crush it. And so I think that's awesome that you
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  had those experiences and be able to put some pen to paper or I guess
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  keyboard to I don't know whatever the digital equivalent of that is. But let's
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  transition now to the conversation we have on tap here this wide receiver classes I
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  talked about in the intro, very deep, very loaded, tremendous top tier
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  talent, a lot of value in round two, in round three, potentially
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  on day three with where you can go and what you can see and what
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  can happen an eventful NFL combine. We saw a forty time record break.
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  We saw some dudes shut it down, We saw some guys not perform a
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  lot of moving and shake and potentially happening for this wide receiver grouping. And
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  so we have some preset questions here for you here JP, and you and
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  I will back and forth, and also for everybody playing at home. The
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  questions that I'm bringing up that JP and I are going to dive into.
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  Feel free throw them up into the chat every time I pull one up.
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  So this first one, you know which wide receiver helped themselves the most of
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  the combine. If you are watching with us live, feel free to give
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  your answer. Feel free to tell me and JP why our answers suck or
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  whatever have you, whatever's on your mind. JP, the floor is yours.
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  With this first question, which wide receiver do you think helped themselves the
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  most with their performance at this past weekend's NFL Combine. So obviously, I
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  think everybody wants to go to Xavier Worthy, who did break the combine record
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  in four point two one seconds, which is still unbelievable to think about,
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  like that number actually would go. But the guy I'm gonna shout out versus
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  Ricky Pearsall from Florida. He's a guy that I studied before we got into
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  the Senior Bowl. I was like, oh, okay, this guy's good
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  because I thought last year I made a joke last year when Anthony Richister was
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  there, Ricky Pierson had the funniest wide receiver aesthetic to actual play ratio or
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  he looked awesome. He had the best drip of any receiver in college football,
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  but the play didn't really equal it. This year, he really wrote
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  that level of play really rose, and what I really needed to see from
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  him at the combine was that speed. That long speed was Sometimes on film
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  it looked like he was kind of on cruise control because of how smooth he
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  looks as a receiver. But run in the low four fours in the forty
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  be doing great in the shuttles and l drills, and then jumping forty two
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  inches. This was a legit athlete on top of being a great separator in
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  the intermediate like middle of the field range. I would easily take him on
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  day two. That's one of those guys who you put him in kind of
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  a I think the best the best fit for him is kind of that Shanahan
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  style offense or a style like offense where he can be a good number two
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  next to an outside receiver. The first thought was Atlanta and just get him
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  next to Drake London and let him be kind of the slot the slot machine
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  receiver. But another guy that I really thought had a good day was Xavier
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  Legette. I was a little concerned about how he would run, because I
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  didn't see him pull away from guys a lot on tape. But then he
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  busts off a four three nine and I'm like, oh, all right,
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  man, excuse me. At Seraine were twenty seven pounds. I'm like,
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  word, man, I thought you were gonna run four or five. Excuse
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  the heck out of me. Let me go back and watch. But he's
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  another one of those guys where you just want to get the ball in his
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  hands and see what happens. I think he is right now. He's yak
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  but also a deep guy, so he's kind of he is the twenty sixteen
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  Houston Rockets. As a receiver, nice it's either layups or three pointers.
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  You can get that profile at six one, two, twenty seven. You
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  can turn it into something because you are that big, and you are that
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  fast, and you are that strong as a receiver. There's not a lot
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  of guys who are like that. And then my wide receiver to going in
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  Roma Doomza had a great day. Just yes, a smooth route runner.
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  He just he never looks like he's running out of his own pace. At
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  Gaunt drill looked like it was done by AI, like they did the tracer
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  and it doesn't move from the line. It's ridiculous textbook and it just every
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  time you watch him play, it never looks like he's sped up. He
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  looks like, again, I'm gonna go to them. It's very shy Gildes
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  alexanderish, where he's never put off out of his pace or out of his
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  own style of play, and he could just create. He's a great creator
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  aft of the catch. He's got wonderful downfield ball tracking ability. He's my
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  wide receiver two going, he was my receiver two going in, he's my
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  wide receiver two leaving. And really just overall, every one of these receivers
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  had something where you're like, oh, I can see that. I can
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  see that, Like, if you need a receiver, this is a draft
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  to get at least one to two of them. That's a great way to
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  put it. And yeah, there were so many, like there was almost
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  something positive to hang your head on for almost like every wide receiver, which
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  is what made like the tearing conversation so interesting, especially as we go forward
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  here. I also love like how many so I'm a I'm a Clippers fan,
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  and I love how many references are tying to the Clippers right now,
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  So you got the two twenty sixteen rockets so hardened and hardens there now with
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  the Clippers. And then I was fine with it at the time, but
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  not really like Shay Gildes. Alexander was like the main trade piece that went
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  to Oklahoma City to bring Paul George to the Clippers, and I know that's
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  what Kawai wanted, but I really was like, no, like, just
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  let shake cook for a little bit. He's gonna be so good. And
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  to watch what he's doing. I was watching the game. Was it Sunday
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  Sunday night against Phoenix or Saturday night against Phoenix of Phoenix starts to get Phoenix
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  starts to come back, and they put Shay back in and he's like,
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  no, I'm just gonna penetrate and hit you know, jumpers and elbows.
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  He's cutting off stuff, he's running the offense. Oh, he's just so
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  beautiful. I thought it was funny how that sid And that's shocking that I
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  got off track. I don't know why. I'm surprised. I like the
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  names that you picked, and Ricky, you know, just to kind of
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  piggyback on that. I wasn't expecting a four to four to one from him.
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  I didn't know what he would no, and his his tape for me
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  was interesting, like he was an early watch for me, you know,
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  heading into the Senior Bowl, because he was there at the Senior Bowl and
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  it was weird, like he didn't have I say that he plays with technical
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  fluidity because he's a good route runner, like he knows how to run routes,
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  but there's not a ton of like sharpness or suddenness, but it's all
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  very like he just moves and flows and he's creating separation and he's getting open
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  so it's like precise, but it's fluid and it's smooth. And he had
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  a very good Senior Bowl. But he was somebody that I was like,
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  you know, probably like a four or five one, maybe like a four
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  to four eight or but he'd like almost four four one, that's almost sub
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  four four. I was not anticipating that for him at all. And that's
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  a huge boom for him, considering the hands that he has, the ball
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  tracking that he has, the route running. Like just an awesome, awesome
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  performance for him at the combine, and I like the Legette pick as well.
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  He he was someone I was excited to see at the Senior Bowl.
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  He had a rough day one, a better day two. I think he
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  was also potentially banged up because he had a rap on his leg. That's
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  just me speculating. But he didn't perform how I had hoped he would perform.
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  But he looked the part, Like he looks like baby aj Brown.
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  Dude is yoked up, he's fast, he's athletic, he's big, he's
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  cut. It was nice to see him perform at the combine the way he
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  should perform at the combat and the Combine is the event that's like made for
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  like an Xavier, Like get the dude who looks great in the spandex and
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  the tight shirt, who runs real fast, who crushes all the drills.
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  He very much looks the part, And I think if you are, you
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  know, granted he's got that one year of production, but when you watch
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  the tape, yeah, the route running necessarily isn't always there, but there's
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  a lot to work with from the size and the speed and the athleticism and
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  the physicality. Like there's a good baseline of traits from which you can operate
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  in terms of coaching up. So I love those two picks from you similar
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  to one for me. I'm gonna start with Lad McConkie bro. I was
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  not expecting sub four fourth similar to like Ricky's time. I was. That's
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  what I was like, what's going on here? Do we have like quick
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  trigger figures forty? I was like, because Ricky's running a four to four
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  to one, Lad's running a four to three nine like Xavier? Were these
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  breaking records? Ad Mitchell ran what he ran like, I was like,
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  And I didn't think Lad was slow, Like I thought he'd run in the
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  mid four four, like four four five, like a four four four to
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  four four seven. I thought would be his range. Just watching him on
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  tape and then seeing him at the Senior Bowl. He's just faster than he
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  gets credit for. But I was not expecting a sub four four. And
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  I think he helped himself so much, similar to Ricky, I think he
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  aside from the Big three. So a lot of this conversation, I want
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  to put that for everybody, Like you know, I know you mentioned o'duonze
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  Bo like some of the things I'm saying. I'm not talking about Marvin Harrison
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  and neighbors and Odunzay because they're they're probably the best at like any one thing
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  you're mentioning like, and so I'm gonna leave him out of the conversation at
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  this point, but Ladd and Ricky are definitely easily in that conversation for the
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  best route runner like in this draft class. And I think Lad might have
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  him buy a little bit just because of the sharpness and the suddenness and the
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  deception he operates with. But then he's also pushing sub four four. I
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  just wasn't expecting that from his game. And that's nice when you you also
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  watch him at Georgia and see how much he plays on the outside and then
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  it's like, oh okay, Like you know, he's five eleven, like
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  mid one eighties. He's not gonna be, you know, a ball winner
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  downfield. But he can separate with speed. He can separate with route running.
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  He knows how to separate at the release, off the line, in
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  the stem, at the break. He's got a route I posted a couple
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  of days ago against Florida. He's just running a deep over, but he
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  runs it and then at ten yards he stems it vertical for two snaps and
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  then snaps it off and is just wide open, like he just he just
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  knows how to win. He's a professional route runner, and so to see
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  the physical speed go with it and not be like, yeah, he's a
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  great route runner, but he runs a four or five five Like I thought
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  that was huge for him and similar I'm gonna go to the other text receiver.
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  Obviously Xavier Worthy helped himself with that record setting performance, but ad Mitchell
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  somebody who I really like the traits and the ball winning downfield and the explosiveness,
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  like, but there's just so many weird reps for him on tape where
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  it looks like and he almost kind of said it as much where he says,
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  like he never runs routes at full speed, which is kind of weird,
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  but he runs routes where it just looks so lazy and effortless and he's
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  just kind of doing whatever, and then he puts his foot in the ground
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  and bang, like he just explodes and creates like three to five yards of
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  separation. He's got this lower body fluidity and flextion and flexibility that allows him
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  to like and I keep saying it like almost like recoil, Like you can
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  watch him wait transfer everything from the ground up and then snap it through.
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  And it's also interesting watching him run routes on the same field as Xavier Worthy
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  because Worthy runs every a lot of what he does at full speed, like
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  he's attacking cushion and leverage right out of the gate, and Mitchell doesn't do
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  that. But you can watch them on opposite sides of the field grand and
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  one's off the line and ones on the line, but they're almost neck and
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  neck, So it's not like Mitchell is slow. And even when it looks
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  like he's not putting in any effort, he's still just so much more athletic
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  and faster. But he's so smooth and so pliable in a lot of ways.
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  But to get that timed forty for him being in that four to three
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  and matching it with the traits, I thought, he's somebody who really kind
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  of put himself if he wasn't already into that conversation further in terms of what
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  you can work with given his size, his frame, his weight, the
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  athleticism, the explosion and everything. For me at the combine is you're really
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  trying to quantify what you see on tape or something's trying to catch your eye
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  to be like you know what, I didn't notice that. Let me go
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  back to the tape and watch, and I think Mitchell is one who had
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  a combine that really did a good job of quantifying the athleticism and the explosion
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  you see on tape. Yeah, I think with Mitchell the thing that I
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  kind of wrote down and it's kind of the same things with that second tier
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  of receivers. So Brian Thomas Junior, Adie Mitchell, Kean Coleman. The
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  route running is sort of viby. Yes, it's more just okay, we'll
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  just go run over here, we'll break this off here. And Adie Mitchell
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  certainly comes off his route running and the style of play. Like you said,
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  it's kind of he kind of just vibes out there. But when he's
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  all one there is there are a few better in terms of high pointing the
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  ball, in terms of being able to create separation as well, especially at
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  the catch point, Like he separates at the catch point with that let like
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  he can dunk on dudes. When you can do that and you can also
• 21:15
  win in the in between game, you're like, oh, okay, I
• 21:18
  see it now, I see what you're I see what you're getting at here.
• 21:21
  He really helped himself with that four three five. After that you really
• 21:23
  could have done like he didn't have to do anything else work here, like
• 21:26
  all right, it's like Xavier Worthy running the four two to one. I
• 21:30
  don't have to do anything else, Like we we can shut this down.
• 21:33
  Another guy that I thought really had a great day was Johnny Wilson from Florida
• 21:37
  State busting off a four five one, six and thirty pounds and then having
• 21:42
  the I believe the the third highest short subtle of all receivers. There makes
• 21:48
  no sense. It's because he takes like two He takes like two steps if
• 21:52
  he's dune. Yeah, the fourth highest short suttle at four point one one
• 21:56
  seconds at six six two thirty. I was like, excuse the hell out
• 21:59
  of me, Johnny Wilson. I thought he was going to turn like a
• 22:03
  submarine. But no, Like this dude can move and that's something you didn't
• 22:07
  really see on tape or in his ability to change direction. But you think
• 22:11
  about a guy who can be six six and two hundred and thirty pounds and
• 22:15
  be the inside outside guy like okay, like you can you can talk yourself
• 22:21
  into that, especially if he can move like he does, at that size,
• 22:25
  that's a great call. I feel like he's been He and Coleman,
• 22:27
  I feel like, have become like kind of like the warts of like the
• 22:32
  topper, like the wide receiver class, especially Coleman being closer to the top
• 22:34
  tier. Like I feel like people find reasons to not like them, and
• 22:38
  I understand. But with Wilson, it was interesting, Like I'd see some
• 22:42
  stuff on tape, especially earlier in the year, where he'd run like a
• 22:45
  hitch or an inbreaker, and I'd be like, he dips and sinks pretty
• 22:51
  well for a dude that's like a friggin giant. And again, to be
• 22:55
  able to see that quantified with these times like this is like a I mean,
• 23:00
  again, you're that size, you're gonna have a long torso end long
• 23:03
  legs, but he's got long legs, like he's a leggy dude. And
• 23:07
  to see him have that type of speed. But again it's not just like,
• 23:10
  well, yeah, all he has is that straight line speed. No,
• 23:11
  he can kind of change direction and move a little bit. That's extremely
• 23:15
  intriguing because he's such a size mismatch on the outside and you think of someone
• 23:19
  like who's got that size run in a four to five. That's gonna play
• 23:25
  faster because each one of his strides are probably like one and a half strides
• 23:30
  of whoever is covering him. And then he's got the arm length and the
• 23:33
  wingspan, Like, what do you do with that? I know, there
• 23:34
  was so much of the conversation was like, move him to tight end because
• 23:37
  he's not gonna be able to live on the outside I think with his combine.
• 23:41
  He was like, no, Like, I mean, if it's more
• 23:44
  profitable for me, sure, maybe I'm moving to tight end. But no,
• 23:45
  like I can play wide receiver. And you see some of the pop
• 23:48
  on tape, and yeah, that combine piece so so helpful, so helpful
• 23:53
  for him. I was not I was not expecting it. Yeah, you're
• 23:56
  thinking of Johnny Wilson. Realistically, he can be a power slot in the
• 24:02
  NFL, like a big slot who can maybe help out in the run blocking
• 24:06
  department, but you get him free releases where he's just basically like long striding
• 24:11
  out towards you. My comparison for him is the Iron Giant. You're you're
• 24:15
  just running, it's just the Iron Giant running after you. And now you're
• 24:18
  like, oh, like, what am I supposed to do? About him
• 24:22
  like running at me and then he's got the longest arms ever recorded for a
• 24:25
  receiver. At the combine, it's he causes so much, so many mismatched
• 24:30
  problems that an NFL front office is going to go, oh, I can
• 24:33
  work with that. You don't see a lot of guys who are six six,
• 24:37
  two hundred and thirty one pounds who move like that, and you don't
• 24:41
  just go, oh, I don't think we can do anything here, like
• 24:42
  there's something we can do here. Every every coach has the belief that they
• 24:47
  can turn a guy into the greatest player ever. You can look with Johnny
• 24:51
  Wilson and just go, yeah, I can do that. Yeah, And
• 24:53
  especially like so much, not necessarily that it's changed versus like previous years or
• 24:59
  generations of football, but you get so many more teams and coaching staffs that
• 25:03
  go trade based on stuff and they're like, you know what, the production
• 25:04
  I don't care, Like I can take that and I can mold that,
• 25:07
  Like I can't teach someone to be big and rangy and long armed and fast
• 25:12
  and explosive, Like I can maybe improve some of those things, but I
• 25:15
  can't teach that. Like, but you know what I can teach you.
• 25:18
  I can teach you some route running nuance, and I can teach you how
• 25:21
  to stem and all these pieces and if you have those raw physical traits already,
• 25:26
  and again that's very understandable. Like you, I understand coaching staffs and
• 25:30
  teams like kind of betting on themselves and be like, nah, we can
• 25:33
  get the most blood out of that stone. And Johnny Wilson is one that
• 25:36
  man like there seems to be like a lot of interesting blood in that stone.
• 25:40
  Another one that this I expected this one, but I thought he still
• 25:45
  did well. Brian Thomas Junior just coming in, you know, right,
• 25:48
  like measuring at six like basically six three two hundred and nine pounds and then
• 25:53
  running that four three forty like and and he I also think he needed that,
• 25:59
  like he needed that quant fiable data because you watch him on tape,
• 26:02
  you know, you mentioned it. Kind of being in that vibe route running
• 26:03
  situation. Everything is pretty much like slot phades and just posts and like vertical
• 26:08
  stuff. It's basically just like, yo, you're big and fast. Go
• 26:11
  be big and fast. Either outrun whoever's covering you or we're gonna chuck it
• 26:15
  up and we want you to play above the rim and dunk on somebody at
• 26:18
  the catch point, and he does both of those things. But there were
• 26:21
  a couple of times on tape where I saw him run like little hitches and
• 26:25
  I saw the sink in his hips and I was like, ooh, that's
• 26:29
  like interesting, like just these little nuggets along with the size and the speed.
• 26:34
  But he's that guy. He's another trades based receiver. Like you're looking
• 26:37
  at him and being like, I can't teach people to be big. I
• 26:40
  can't teach him to be fast. He's big. He's very fast. Like
• 26:44
  the fact that he's running that four to three at six three two hundred and
• 26:48
  nine basically two hundred and ten pounds. I think he really kind of he's
• 26:52
  not my wide receiver for but I think he could have. He potentially vaulted
• 26:56
  himself into that wide receiver for spot for a lot of teams, because yes,
• 27:00
  you have to coach him up, but with that size and speed,
• 27:03
  he's a scheme fit almost anywhere. Yeah, I think with Brian Thomas and
• 27:07
  Eliite neighbors to think, what's gonna have to happen is you got have to
• 27:11
  throw out a few reps because they kind of do the pick a side offense
• 27:15
  where one side gets throwing the ball the other side. You don't have to
• 27:18
  run the route. You can just stand there and watch. It's so much
• 27:19
  I can you can tell when it's not going to that side because Thomas just
• 27:25
  come off and just like whatever. You know, they're like, I'm not
• 27:27
  getting the I'm not getting the ball. Bro. It's like you're playing pickup
• 27:30
  and you're just standing in the corner while the dude's just dribbling the ball out
• 27:33
  trying to go on to an and one mixtape. Okay, I'm not getting
• 27:37
  the ball. You're looking at your like nail or pulling your phone out and
• 27:40
  scrolling, and he's like yeah and everything. Yeah, he's trying to turn
• 27:42
  to Alan iverson and you're just over here like, yeah, I'm never getting
• 27:45
  this ball. But Brian Thomas is another example of a guy who, like
• 27:49
  you said, the route running is kind of viby and it's a little limited
• 27:52
  of a route tree right now. But the things he does well, the
• 27:56
  hitches, the fades, the go balls, he does really well. If
• 28:00
  you get him in an offense right now. If you want a first year
• 28:03
  contributor, which is what you're expecting as a first in the first round pick.
• 28:07
  You get him in an offense that is exclusively a We need you to
• 28:11
  do two things, run hitches and goes and just be you'd be good at
• 28:15
  those things for now, and we will help you develop into We'll help you
• 28:18
  develop into a well rounded receiver. I think in the mod draft I did
• 28:23
  this morning for work, I had him going to Indianapolis just because, look,
• 28:29
  it's real simple. Anthony Richardson can throw the ball a mile. Let's
• 28:32
  get him a receiver who can go run a mile and go catch the ball.
• 28:36
  All you got to just go throw missiles and let him catch them.
• 28:38
  Yeah, all you gotta do is run phades and all you gotta do is
• 28:41
  run fades and hitch routes and you are good. You were going to make
• 28:45
  money off of that. But Brian Thomas Jr. Is another guy who I
• 28:48
  really think had a great combine, another guy who really stood out. I
• 28:52
  think Luke McCaffrey had a really good day, especially with you know, running
• 28:56
  a four to three nine, which is oh. I was a little surprised
• 29:00
  the four three nine, but again it's Christop McCaffrey's brother. You kind of
• 29:03
  expect being a good athlete there and then dominating the shuttle and the short and
• 29:08
  the el drill and the short shuttle that matters a lot, especially in his
• 29:14
  case of being a slot only receiver, and creates separation in the short areas
• 29:18
  that matters for him, especially being a guy who came out of Rice.
• 29:23
  This receiver class is just so deep and so temiled, and two of the
• 29:29
  top guys didn't work out, and we're still finding so so much to talk
• 29:33
  about. Yeah, there's like even like I was just going through and taking
• 29:37
  a look at my notes again, like I like what Malik Washington ran,
• 29:41
  and I liked you know, Jayln McMillan and Jalen Polk and really like every
• 29:45
  every Washington the Washington offense with their three receivers, And I also really like
• 29:49
  west Over their tight end, Like I don't think he gets enough like appreciation.
• 29:53
  And then Dylan Johnson is fun. Like there's just so many wide receivers
• 29:59
  like anywhere, like and this class is so deep to just literally dartboard throw
• 30:03
  and you can probably say like at least three positive things about whoever your dart
• 30:08
  lands on potentially, And that's why it is so deep and so fun to
• 30:11
  talk about because this year, I feel like, more than ever, you
• 30:15
  can really get a quality, quality receiver on day two, like whether it's
• 30:19
  round two or even going into round three. And it makes me think back
• 30:22
  to the twenty I think the twenty nineteen draft or yeah, twenty nineteen draft.
• 30:30
  Bills fans will hate this. The Bills to Cody Ford because they needed
• 30:33
  an offensive lineman in the second round, but that second round had Terry McLaurin
• 30:37
  and Deebo Samuel and DK Metcalf and I think AJ Brown also went in that
• 30:41
  second round. Like there's gonna be like five receivers that go in round two
• 30:45
  that are gonna be like very good wide receiver twos and potentially still have some
• 30:48
  wide receiver one upside. Like it's just wild how deep this class is from
• 30:53
  a usability standpoint, Like guys are gonna be ranked differently based on what you're
• 30:57
  looking for from a skill set, person efective, a scheme, fit,
• 31:00
  frame size, all that kind of stuff, as it always separates for teams.
• 31:03
  But there's so much to like here anybody else that you think really helped
• 31:07
  themselves at the combine. So this is my day three guy at receiver who
• 31:11
  I'm willing to plant my flag for and it is Holy Cross. As Jalen
• 31:15
  Coker, he ran four five seven in the forty, but he had a
• 31:19
  one to five to two ten yards split. I'll take the ten yard split.
• 31:22
  I'll take that. Also tied with I believe tied with Lak Washington for
• 31:27
  the highest vertical jump at forty two and a half inches. He also jumped
• 31:32
  really well on the broad jump. That's his game. He is a above
• 31:37
  the rim receiver. He is. He can He's not a great guy when
• 31:41
  it comes to wiggle or creating separation, but he can go up and get
• 31:45
  the ball. He go up, he goes up and gets it. He's
• 31:47
  a good blocker. I think that you're looking at, again a power slot,
• 31:52
  a fine wide receiver three, but him being able to show like,
• 31:56
  yeah, I can do this and the NFL level. I have the vertical,
• 32:00
  I have the explosiveness to kind of be a go up and get the
• 32:05
  ball guy at six two, two hundred and nine pounds, Like some team
• 32:08
  is gonna be able to work with that. My Day three guy who didn't
• 32:13
  really test, And I was disappointed about Marcus rosemy Jack Saint from Georgia,
• 32:17
  Like I think he's arguably the best blocking receiver in this draft. And then
• 32:22
  like he just and it's not even just like always in good position and he
• 32:27
  tries like no, he puts dudes like in the dirt, Like there's a
• 32:30
  rep against Tennessee where he takes the apex and literally puts him into the ground
• 32:35
  like and he's fitting up on safeties and edges and popping them, which is
• 32:38
  fun. But then you know, sitting there at six y' one like two
• 32:40
  hundred pounds, he's got fluidity to his game. He's got athleticism, Like
• 32:45
  he's a Day three guy that I really do, Like I was hoping he
• 32:50
  was going to test, but he really did not. But he falls into
• 32:54
  again more Day three piece. But he's in this like whole back end of
• 32:58
  like the non sex receivers that I like with him and Malik Washington and Javon
• 33:04
  Baker and uh Jayln McMillan. I like Jermaine Burton from Alabama, like he
• 33:08
  ran well. Like there's so many again like just dart throw and find receiver
• 33:14
  that you like and so many fun pieces to have. Now, opposite side
• 33:19
  of that conversation, the want want part of it, which wide receiver or
• 33:22
  wide receivers hurt themselves the most at this combine. I know what I'm going
• 33:29
  to sound like when I when I hear when I, I know what people
• 33:31
  are gonna say, Like, you're poo poo in a four to four on
• 33:35
  Troy Franklin, but Troy Franklin name for me being pinned also by a one
• 33:42
  six one ten yard split. I was like, hmm, that's weird,
• 33:46
  Like he's not really getting out there. And then you you think, like
• 33:51
  he's You think about how he plays at Oregon. He's a long speed guy.
• 33:53
  He is a you might not separate within those first ten yards, but
• 33:58
  you can't keep up with him over with a twenty or thirty, which is
• 34:00
  his game. But then you go look at some of the jumps and the
• 34:04
  agilities and it's like, oh, like I was expecting a little bit better
• 34:07
  for a guy whose game is predicated on speed and explosiveness, and then you
• 34:14
  combine that with the drops and I'm just like, I don't know, man,
• 34:19
  I want to believe, I really, I really want to believe,
• 34:22
  But I think he kind of tops out as a specialist in the NFL,
• 34:28
  Like a specialist receiver. Everybody can't be Isaiah Thomas on The Bad Boy Pistons.
• 34:35
  Somebody. Somebody's got to be Rick Mahorn, somebody's got to be Bill
• 34:37
  Lambiertaber. It feels like Troy Franklin can be kind of the Rick Mahorn of
• 34:44
  an offense. It might not be you might not be the focal point,
• 34:47
  or you might be like Vinnie Johns. You might be the microwave. You
• 34:51
  might you might you might get a few minutes here and there, but you
• 34:54
  know what you do in your role. And that's why I feel like Troy
• 34:58
  Franklin can be Jamari Rash, a guy that I was really high on coming
• 35:01
  into to it. Running a four to four six was again I know how
• 35:06
  I'm gonna sound people in a four to four to six. That's really fast,
• 35:08
  but kind of expecting them to run a little faster, especially for a
• 35:13
  guy who was supposed to be again vertical deep threat, that is his style
• 35:17
  of play. But those are really like two receivers that I kind of again
• 35:22
  kind of picking a little bit, like we're being real nitpicking, like,
• 35:25
  oh, the ten yard split isn't as good as what I hope, you
• 35:30
  know, Like that's this feeling really like oh okay, like maybe maybe you
• 35:35
  know, maybe this guy isn't this great. Jawan Jackson having a third I
• 35:39
  believe, a thirty two inch vertical jump. Jamari Thrash had a thirty four,
• 35:44
  which again a little like, oh, I don't know, I don't
• 35:46
  know here, and those are really three guys. I was kind of disappointed
• 35:51
  in how their day went, but I can see, like, you know,
• 35:54
  like their roles being kind of limited early on and throughout the career.
• 35:59
  I'm gonna start with Franklin. He's my top for this one, and this
• 36:02
  is so this is a battle I've been fighting for maybe like the last month
• 36:07
  on this show and just kind of on Twitter in general, because the conversation
• 36:12
  has gotten around Troy Franklin within like the Bills fan base that he's this complete
• 36:16
  receiver who can win anywhere and do anything on the field, and that's just
• 36:22
  not the case on tape. Like he wins with that speed, like you
• 36:24
  said, like he can separate, he can stack dudes, but it's pretty
• 36:29
  much just pure speed that he wins with. He is not a very good
• 36:32
  route runner at this point. The thing I always go back to he runs
• 36:35
  one of the ugliest whip routes I've ever seen in my life. And even
• 36:38
  when he's played against some of the upper tier, like the best corner he
• 36:42
  played against was Mohammed from Washington. Mohamma gave him a lot of problems and
• 36:47
  that was like, ooh, that's like not great. And I don't think
• 36:52
  other than the speed, which is tremendous, like because he's fast as hell
• 36:55
  on tape, like I feel like he was kind of like a one trick
• 36:58
  pony. And then just to watch him come into the combine and again four
• 37:02
  four one. It's so funny that we're like knocking it, which is extremely
• 37:07
  fast. I thought he'd run somewhere in the four threes, and he ran
• 37:09
  a four to four. And then he's listed at six three one eighty seven
• 37:14
  and he measured six' one one seventy six. And then you watch him
• 37:17
  drill bro like the measurements weren't good you mentioned the other times, and then
• 37:21
  even just watching him run drills, like watching him run routes, he looked
• 37:25
  very leggy and like not fluid. He looked uncomfortable. I know everybody's talking
• 37:30
  in the chat about the gauntlet drill. We even all over the place.
• 37:32
  He looked like he was fighting the ball, and maybe there's something else going
• 37:36
  on. Maybe he was banged up in some way, maybe there was something
• 37:38
  that was affected him, like mentally, and he wasn't on point that day,
• 37:42
  but he just did not perform well. It was ugly in a lot
• 37:45
  of ways. Again, like ugly for a dude who ran a four to
• 37:49
  four to one. But yeah, he's been put into that conversation of like
• 37:53
  I see him as wide receiver four for people or in that like next tier,
• 37:58
  leading that next tier after the Big Three. And I never really saw
• 38:02
  it on tape. Again, the speed is real, and I've understood Bill's
• 38:05
  fans love for him because Bill's fans want a speed threat and you pop on
• 38:08
  the highlights and this guy is literally just out running everybody left and right.
• 38:13
  But with how Oregon's offense runs conceptually and how well they take advantage of the
• 38:20
  wide hashes in college ball and taking advantage of that space, I feel like
• 38:23
  his game really took advantage of the college game, like dudes just just aren't
• 38:29
  as fast as him and the game is so wide open. Spatially, I
• 38:31
  wondered how he would do when you have to play more technical, when the
• 38:35
  field shrinks, when there are guys that are against you, who can match
• 38:37
  your speed or who can match physicality, or how do they play against him
• 38:42
  physically, Like he's not a dude who dunks on people or who wins with
• 38:45
  physicality or runs through people. He's pure speed. And so the fact that
• 38:49
  he measured shorter way less and then ran a little slower, it I already
• 38:54
  wasn't too high, like I had a second round grade on him, but
• 38:58
  it pushed him further down from like that tier perspective for me, just because
• 39:02
  I didn't think he showed out. Thrash is one for you that I find
• 39:06
  interesting. I didn't think he would run great. I was decently happy with
• 39:10
  the four four six because I think he's a good route runner, but I
• 39:14
  see him as more of like the underneath separator, Like I don't see him
• 39:19
  as like that vertical guy that's gonna push Like it is funny though, like
• 39:22
  I thought he'd run a little faster and like Lad McConkie would run a little
• 39:25
  slower, and then to see m konakie blaze and then like Thrash was,
• 39:30
  I was like, Okay, this is good for Thrash, But in my
• 39:31
  head I was like I thought he could hit like four four three or like
• 39:35
  get closer to like the four to four piece, but his route running a
• 39:37
  school So I'm like, eh, all right, But Troy Franklin, Yeah,
• 39:39
  was the one to me for a guy who's calling card is speed,
• 39:44
  speed, speed. You were still fast, but a lot of dudes ran
• 39:47
  above you, especially like I'd put him in. I always put him in
• 39:50
  Brian Thomas next to one another because I think they're similar, like guys who
• 39:54
  need refinement in their route tree. But one is six three two hundred ten
• 40:00
  pounds, the other one was supposed to be six three point eighty seven.
• 40:04
  But I thought the calling card would be like, yeah, well Franklin's gonna
• 40:07
  run faster, and now he didn't. So your calling card is speed,
• 40:09
  but you've got all these other guys that are bigger than you from a frame
• 40:14
  and weight perspective running faster than you. I feel like his stock may have
• 40:17
  taken a dip, and maybe that benefits somebody on day two because he falls
• 40:21
  into the fifties or sixties or something, But yeah, I feel like he
• 40:23
  hurt himself a bunch. Yeah. I also think with Xavier Worthy running a
• 40:29
  four to one at around the same heightweight build as Troy Franklin also hurts his
• 40:35
  stock a little bit because you think, like, oh, these guys are
• 40:38
  the same build, you kind of have the same questions. But yeah,
• 40:42
  one guy is the fastest guy we've ever seen in the combine ever, So
• 40:45
  you're gonna know which one you're gonna draft. You know, I want the
• 40:47
  guy that runs a four to two to one. And it's not like we're
• 40:51
  saying this guy is gonna be good and the four to four to one is
• 40:53
  not a good time. Like it is, it's a good time, but
• 40:57
  you think about the one six one ten yards, You think about coming in
• 41:02
  shorter and lighter than what was expected, and now you're kind of thinking instead
• 41:07
  of being a super well rounded receiver, you're thinking more, Okay, this
• 41:10
  guy is a specialist at this point, because that's what he was kind of
• 41:15
  asked to do it Oregon, even when he had the wide open offenses and
• 41:21
  the air ring kind of helping him out a little bit. And were you
• 41:24
  such a good comp too, or like an interesting person to bring up because
• 41:29
  you know, he came in and weighed one sixty five. I feel like
• 41:31
  that was a combined weight, Like I don't feel like he plays at one
• 41:36
  sixty five, like I feel like compro Da or football time, he's weighing
• 41:38
  at least one seventy but still even if he bumps up to one seventy one
• 41:43
  seventy five, he's still probably running like a low four to three, Like,
• 41:45
  oh no, he went from a four to two to one to a
• 41:46
  four to three one, which is still blazing, Like who cares. But
• 41:51
  that's like a great point because Franklin came in smaller than you would have anticipated.
• 41:57
  I think Worthy came in from a weight perspective smaller than anticipated as well.
• 42:01
  But one guy set the combine record for the forty crushed the shuttle to
• 42:06
  the point where he was like I'm done. I'm putting on my sweatshirt and
• 42:08
  sweats like you can interview me. I've had enough. Also, how cool
• 42:12
  was that? I think like he finished and like Jerry Rice and like Michael
• 42:15
  Irvin were talking to him like this man, what an experience for like these
• 42:17
  like you just set the record, then you're talking to like two Hall of
• 42:20
  famers like so awesome. But yeah, like Franklin, I would have been
• 42:24
  okay if he came in like shorter and weighed less but then yeah, ran
• 42:28
  like a four to three to two or a four to three to one,
• 42:30
  I'd be like, oh okay, Like maybe that was some combine weight.
• 42:34
  But it's so funny to pair them together. I also think we're these a
• 42:37
  far better ut runner, but that's a conversation for another time. Yeah,
• 42:39
  just like you would have thought if Franklin had an opportunity to run his fastest,
• 42:45
  it would have been at the weight that we saw him at, which
• 42:49
  scares me because I'm like, Okay, well does he play it one seventy
• 42:52
  six because I didn't think he looked like one seventy six on tape, Like
• 42:54
  I bought the mid one eighties and thought he could even add more muscle onto
• 42:59
  his frame. But if you're running a four four one at one seventy six,
• 43:04
  are you dropping to like a four four five? If we put you
• 43:06
  into the mid one eighties, and then all of a sudden, your calling
• 43:08
  card becomes questionable against NFL corners who are also very fat, not to mention
• 43:14
  big and long and strong and are gonna jam the hell out of you and
• 43:16
  beat the hell out of you in your step. Yeah, And I just
• 43:20
  wonder with that frame, it's gonna be really hard to live on the outside.
• 43:24
  Mm hmm. Toy Frankly, even with this especialist is a great call,
• 43:29
  Like I see somebody who's gotta be and then that's my worry too,
• 43:30
  Like, okay, if he's got to work more on the slot, I
• 43:35
  don't think he has the route running for it right now. So are you
• 43:37
  just running him on? Is he just straight pushing vertical out of the slot
• 43:40
  every single time or are you hoping like hey man, watch for the blitzer
• 43:44
  and if someone blitzes, sit down, but then he's gonna catch the ball
• 43:46
  and get popped, Like what's gonna happen? It's just way, what do
• 43:50
  you do with that niche or that specialized role like you're talking it feels like
• 43:54
  an insult now because of kind of his his thes in and how it went.
• 44:01
  But Marquez Valdez Gantling seemed like the comparison for Troy Franklin. But Marketz
• 44:07
  Valdus Gantling sixty four to two hundred and six pounds, soas like power slot
• 44:12
  ability, like you can use this like a big dude who also ran a
• 44:16
  four to three seven. Troy Franklin is not that he's smaller than he's smaller,
• 44:22
  he's lighter, and he also ran slower. So now you're wondering,
• 44:25
  Okay, this guy seems like he's gonna be a little bit of a specialist.
• 44:30
  And that's fine if you want him to be a specialist, but you're
• 44:32
  wondering, can you get away with that in the first in the first round,
• 44:37
  can you get away with that being that guy? Like I know we
• 44:39
  just said, like with Brian Thomas, you want to have him in early
• 44:43
  and be a specialist. But there's a difference between you know, being a
• 44:45
  specialist at sixty three two oh nine and having that framework to build off of
• 44:51
  versus six one, one hundred and seventy and also running slower. Yes,
• 44:54
  because if you're again both guys you're looking at like, okay, we have
• 44:59
  to teach them more that route running technician piece to get to them to rest
• 45:01
  that ceiling. But if you're looking at the floors, Brian Thomas's floor,
• 45:07
  Like at the end of the day, even if he's the worst route runner
• 45:08
  ever you can and doesn't progress, you can still look at him and be
• 45:12
  like, well, he's really fast and he's pretty big, so he can
• 45:15
  either outrun somebody, or we can throw him a jump ball, Franklin.
• 45:17
  At best, you were just hoping that he was going to be really fast
• 45:21
  and outrun everybody, And now that speed isn't really outrun everybody type of speed.
• 45:25
  It's just it's so ridiculous to say. But like because four four one
• 45:29
  again is fast but for the NFL, like not really like there's a ton
• 45:32
  of dudes who run that, Like, so can you pull away? Yeah,
• 45:36
  he's he'd far surpassed everybody for me in terms of like somebody who really
• 45:39
  hurt themselves again Yeah, and then two like not just the measurables, like
• 45:43
  how he performed in drills, Like it takes a lot for someone to look
• 45:46
  poor in these drills, And he just looked clunky in his route running and
• 45:52
  he looked like he was fighting the ball. He just looked uncomfortable, which
• 45:55
  made me think, like is he banged up? Is his mind somewhere else,
• 45:59
  because he just looked like he just looked, yeah, uncomfortable in an
• 46:02
  environment, in a setting, or maybe that had something to do with it
• 46:05
  too, Maybe the pressure of being on that stage, which I wouldn't think
• 46:08
  would affect him, but maybe it did, Like it just raises all these
• 46:13
  potential red flags and concerns for a dude who was talked about as like a
• 46:16
  back end of Round one or maybe even earlier for some people. Now for
• 46:20
  me, I feel like he's a back end of Round two kind of guy,
• 46:22
  just based on that roller skill set. Anybody else that you think hurt
• 46:25
  themselves the most here? Uh No, I think that's really even with those
• 46:30
  guys were kind of were splitting hairs a little, but absolutely absolutely all right.
• 46:36
  Question number three, Which wide receiver played themselves into Day one consideration?
• 46:42
  It could be somebody who was a fringe guy that you think is firmly entrenched
• 46:46
  in round one, somebody who came out of nowhere and has kind of propelled
• 46:50
  themselves or jumped some tears. Which wide receiver or wide receivers do you think
• 46:53
  played themselves into that day one consideration? Lad McConkie, Baby, I mean,
• 47:00
  I said it last year about Jordan Addison, and I'm gonna say it
• 47:04
  about Lab McConkie this year. He is a professional get opener. It does
• 47:07
  not matter where you put him or what kind of route you put him on,
• 47:10
  he is going to get open. He just knows how to create space.
• 47:15
  He has great stop start acceleration, and that's kind of validated by that
• 47:20
  forty yard and the ten yards lit and the short shuttle times where you see
• 47:23
  that change of direction. You see that ability not just to have the long
• 47:28
  speed, but the ability to go from zero to sixty in a short amount
• 47:31
  of time. That's going to help him, especially as a guy who's going
• 47:35
  to live in the slot. And you just think about, Okay, you
• 47:39
  can think about teams that need a guy who can create that instant separation to
• 47:44
  help get you some easy offense, and you think, Okay, this is
• 47:47
  the Lab McConkie range. Like, I think he has played himself into kind
• 47:52
  of that back half of the first round territory. I think he was early
• 47:57
  Day two for me like he was, Like again, pick thirty three was
• 48:02
  where it started for McConkie because the panther just needs somebody out there. But
• 48:07
  now he's firmly put himself into Okay, I can see him being in the
• 48:12
  late first round. You know, if a team who already has a guy
• 48:15
  on the outside and can create some separation there in the in between game,
• 48:21
  it would be incredibly funny considering what he only drafts in the first round.
• 48:27
  But Lad McConkie as a Philadelphia Eagle makes a lot of sense, just as
• 48:31
  Georgia Bulldog wide receiver. Howie Roseman seems to only draft Georgia Bulldogs and receivers
• 48:38
  and offensive and defensive lineman in the first round. It would be such a
• 48:42
  Howie Roseman thing to see to say, Okay, we might have a little
• 48:46
  bit of a need at guard or tackle. Let's go draft the Georgia receiver
• 48:51
  and see what happens. I mean, it worked for drafting the Bama receiver,
• 48:54
  but I think he has played himself into easy first round territory to an
• 49:01
  extent. I believe, not necessarily day one, but early day two is
• 49:07
  xavier worthy for me. I mean, if you run a four too one,
• 49:10
  that's gonna help you out a lot. I mean, I was really
• 49:15
  kind of taken back from worthy because it's just really hard to win at that
• 49:20
  size. Yes, it's really really hard to win in the NFL at one
• 49:23
  hundred and sixty five pounds unless you're the fastest person on earth, because nobody
• 49:28
  can touch you. Maybe he might, but I just worried a little bit
• 49:32
  about how the frame, how the team, how teams are going to address
• 49:37
  the frame in the NFL. Yes, he is very very fast, but
• 49:42
  you kind of worry because you know, you for every really fast receiver who's
• 49:46
  really slight, you might also get a two two at well who was drafted
• 49:51
  very high by the RAMS, but it's turned out to be a specialist who
• 49:53
  can barely get playing time, you know, So I kind of worried a
• 49:58
  little bit. But seeing the one in the explosiveness and then pairing that with
• 50:02
  oh you see it on tape, I think he has played himself into what
• 50:07
  I believe for Scouts is the early day two area because you can't teach four
• 50:13
  two one, no, no, And I'll start with Worthy. So again
• 50:19
  he's He's my wide receiver four. And part of the reason I'm probably not
• 50:22
  as bullish on him if Tank Dell, Jordan Addison, and Josh Downs didn't
• 50:29
  work out as they did as rookies. I you know, Addison was my
• 50:32
  one. I think he was for a lot of people, but smaller frame
• 50:36
  dude, especially for like a potential wide receiver one in a class like you
• 50:38
  don't see somebody in like the one seventies as the traditional like wide receiver one.
• 50:44
  And then Tank Dell the tape was there, like he bawled out at
• 50:47
  the Senior Bowl, and then on the tape he's a route running technician in
• 50:51
  addition to the speed, like and he has all these red zone touchdown or
• 50:53
  he has all these touchdowns not because he's pulling out like sixty yard bombs,
• 50:57
  but because he's routing dudes up in the low zone and he's just operating with
• 51:00
  deception and feet. But again you're looking at him and you're like, yeah,
• 51:05
  but you're five eight one sixty five, Like that's that's an that's an
• 51:10
  outlier, like an outlier looks at tank Down as like you're an outlier.
• 51:15
  Like that's how far off the scale and off the spectrum he was. And
• 51:20
  so if Dell didn't perform how he did and Addison didn't perform on dating,
• 51:23
  again, Josh Downs is more of a slot guy or is a slot guy,
• 51:25
  but he still performed. Well, I'm probably not as bullish Unworthy as
• 51:30
  I am. Granted, that still makes Worthy an outlier, like even if
• 51:34
  he is playing at one seventy or like at one seventy five, you're still
• 51:38
  small, Like that means you're six' one one seventy five, you are
• 51:42
  still a smaller frame wide receiver, and with that also comes some limitations in
• 51:45
  his game, like you're probably looking at best like a career ceiling of like
• 51:51
  a slot and a Z like you gotta be a movement guy. I don't
• 51:53
  know how much of an X you're gonna be. But he does have enough
• 51:57
  in his release package that cool. You want to cover him one on one
• 52:00
  if you don't get that hand on him with that jam and he gets that
• 52:02
  swipe, he's blazing by you. And even dudes that are fast he's gonna
• 52:06
  make look not fast. Oh damn, what's that? What's that from?
• 52:10
  He's so fast? He makes dudes that are fast look not fast. Oh
• 52:14
  my gosh, I don't remember the movie. I thought it was Ricky Bobby,
• 52:19
  but I don't think it's not. Ah, I need someone in the
• 52:22
  chat, hurry up, look this up. It's gonna drive me nuts,
• 52:23
  Like I almost can't do the episode until I know what that's from. He
• 52:27
  makes fast dudes look not fast anyway, Like that gives me a little more
• 52:32
  confidence, but again, the frame is still there. He's a slender dude,
• 52:37
  but he obviously helped himself like tremendously, and I think he played himself
• 52:40
  into strong Day one. He and Brian Thomas I think are the two,
• 52:45
  and I'm gonna throw Ad Mitchell in there as well. I think any one
• 52:50
  of those three could really be that fourth wide receiver off the board, just
• 52:53
  because of how they performed at the combine and what that tape looks like.
• 52:57
  And those are ah longest yard. Thank you, thank you, Matt,
• 53:01
  thank you. Chris. Appreciate the live chat more than ever. Always appreciate
• 53:05
  the live chat. Thank you very much. Oh it's driving me. No,
• 53:07
  I really wasn't going to be able to, like I was talking,
• 53:08
  but in my head, I was like, what's it from? What's it
• 53:10
  from? What's it from? Yeah? Like so I think Worthy. I
• 53:15
  don't know how high he goes, but I think he his performance. He,
• 53:21
  Thomas and Mitchell I think are right there. Again based on what the
• 53:24
  tape shows, they're measurables the trades and this combine performance. I think you're
• 53:29
  looking at a lot of teams kind of salivating in a variety of ways,
• 53:31
  potentially making them that wide receiver. For I like your lad option as well.
• 53:37
  I know I talked about him earlier and you talked about him again here,
• 53:39
  so I don't want to drill again to home on that, but yeah,
• 53:42
  I think like if he went in the back end of round one earlier,
• 53:45
  I might have been like, you know, pre combined, I would
• 53:47
  have been like, you know what, he's a great route RUNNERUND cool with
• 53:51
  it. But that is a little early. Now I'm like, Okay,
• 53:54
  I have no problem with it, especially watching him, like again, win
• 53:59
  on the line against Press, be able to win at multiple points in the
• 54:01
  stem. He can run any route that you want. And he did a
• 54:06
  thing and maybe and I always say this because I don't watch all the tape
• 54:08
  in the world, but I watch a lot, I've never seen someone use
• 54:13
  a rocker step in their stem as they're running a go route, and he
• 54:16
  did that on a rep against Tennessee to freeze his man and blew by him.
• 54:22
  And I was like, oh, that's a really creative way to run
• 54:24
  a nine route. Just he can win in so many ways. I think
• 54:28
  he threw himself into that conversation big time as well. And it's hard to
• 54:35
  see those metrics and then see the tape and not think like, man,
• 54:39
  this guy can be something, especially with you know, Troy Franklin potentially falling
• 54:45
  a little bit potentially seeing what teams think of key On Coleman, Like,
• 54:49
  yeah, he had a horrible forty, but he also ran the fastest out
• 54:52
  of everybody during drills, especially in the gauntlet. So like he's slow,
• 54:57
  but he's fast. He's big, but he's not a good route runner.
• 55:00
  He's also at the catch point and has great hands. He can also return
• 55:02
  punts, Like does that throw him into a little bit? I think there's
• 55:05
  some murkiness for guys in that next that second and third tier, and the
• 55:10
  performances of Mitchell, Thomas, Worthy and McConkie, combined with the tape I
• 55:16
  think really threw themselves into strong Day one consideration. Like if to the point,
• 55:21
  now, if all four of those dudes went in round one, I
• 55:22
  wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised at this point. Now, yeah, I think
• 55:27
  your key On coma point is something we're gonna get to next because that is
• 55:30
  the one guy that I had in mind. But you could see a guy
• 55:34
  like Lad McConkie coming up or rising up draft boards. You can see Xavier
• 55:37
  Worthy especially again, you as much as people try, you cannot teach four
• 55:44
  to two speed and not four to three like four to two. All that's
• 55:47
  four to one. He ran a four to two one, that's two what
• 55:52
  tens of a second away from being a four to one nine? He almost
• 55:54
  ran a sub four to two. That's nuts, like and he and it
• 56:00
  didn't look like he was even like it didn't look like it was like pull
• 56:04
  off speed like it was the last like twenty twenty to ten yards where he
• 56:08
  actually made it up. No, he was out of the gate like he's
• 56:12
  like he ran a four two five the first time and was like, nah,
• 56:15
  I can go faster, but enough, Like what even is that after
• 56:20
  most guys most guys run a four to two five and shut it down.
• 56:22
  He's like, no, I can do faster, ran a four to one
• 56:25
  like it. You can't teach that. And I think a lot of teams
• 56:29
  are going to take that speed and be like, oh, he might not
• 56:32
  be the biggest, he might be a little bit limited, you know,
• 56:37
  but he's fast like and he's like, he's fast fast, like he is
• 56:42
  the SpongeBob. You want to go see me run runner that rock. You
• 56:45
  want to go see me do it again? Like you can do something with
• 56:47
  that absolutely, And then you see the route running and how he wins and
• 56:52
  I don't think you know, his toughness after the catch is necessarily the smartest
• 56:57
  thing to do in the NFL. But he he's bouncing off like safeties that
• 57:01
  are come barreling down in the alley against him. There's the clip of him
• 57:06
  running through a dude against Oklahoma State in the Big Twelve title game. He
• 57:08
  puts his shoulder down and goes through his chest. Now again, I don't
• 57:10
  think that's going to play with that much regularity in the NFL. But there's
• 57:15
  so many aspects to his game. And then at the end of the day,
• 57:16
  even if they weren't, like okay, like is he the fastest guy
• 57:21
  in the NFL right now? Like is that what we're talking about right now?
• 57:23
  Like that? And some teams are going to have that conversation, and
• 57:27
  that's a fun thing to have anybody else before we move on to our next
• 57:30
  one. H No, I just started thinking about the receiver drills and the
• 57:36
  quarterbacks quarterbacks throwing. They were in two different groups. But I just want
• 57:39
  once to see Joe Milton throw a go ball to Xavier Worthy, and I
• 57:44
  just want to see how far they can actually kind of I want to see
• 57:47
  how far that ball goes because John Milton receivers, but dude, like I
• 57:52
  don't I don't know what he is in the NFL, but he is a
• 57:54
  dude perfect thrower, like that is a that's a guy where look I don't
• 58:00
  know, man, but he he waited after he snapped the ball and then
• 58:04
  went to his dropping through eighty yards. He was letting does like he was
• 58:07
  snapping it and just like, okay, guys were already like fifteen to twenty
• 58:13
  five hours down field flat footed throwing its seventy five eighty yards with ease,
• 58:19
  like he didn't look like he was straining. He was just flicking it.
• 58:22
  And it was the funniest thing seeing fast receivers go, oh shit, I
• 58:27
  actually got a run run for this ball, like I actually got to that
• 58:30
  nice little coast, and then being like oh and having a kicking in the
• 58:35
  gear yeah man, he And then I felt so bad for bow Knicks right
• 58:37
  after him, just like poor bon Knicks, man, like you just don't
• 58:42
  have that arm. It's just not fair, like you they should have made
• 58:45
  Milton go last, Like to make anybody go after Milton is so mean,
• 58:49
  but especially bow Knicks who doesn't have that arm. I felt so bad for
• 58:52
  him. That's like putting Adam Dunn lead off in the baton lineup. You
• 58:55
  don't put Adam lead off. You let him do? You let him go?
• 59:00
  You gonna he's either gonna hit a grand Slam or he's striking out.
• 59:04
  And that that I think is Joe Milton's best comparison as a prospect. Is
• 59:09
  I like that a lot? Right? Yeah? You don't want to go
• 59:12
  after Adam Dunn and like batting practice for the fans because he's out there just
• 59:15
  launching moon balls and then here you come. You're like, well, yeah,
• 59:17
  I'm on like two ninety five hitter, and it's like great, nobody
• 59:20
  wants to see your line drive hits now and am done? Just launch moon
• 59:22
  shots four hundred and seventy feet the sting you're gonna do. And you're just
• 59:27
  like, well, on bon next, I just I just hit singles and
• 59:29
  doubles. They're like next. Anybody cares, everybody hates you, that's all
• 59:31
  right. You know, airbody's got to be you know, averybody can be
• 59:35
  chased lutly. You know it's get on base. But you know, like
• 59:39
  Joe Milton's gonna be that twenty nineteen Chris Davis where he's gonna hit like seven
• 59:45
  homers and they strike out every other time. I forgot about I forgot about
• 59:51
  Chris Davis. And I'm also thinking of too, who is on those Cleveland
• 59:54
  teams. It was like the Grady size which Travis Haffner left. The power
• 59:59
  dude always had big thing of chaw in his mouth, just like lefty powerbat
• 1:00:01
  who was either gonna yoke it four hundred and fifty feet out or was who
• 1:00:07
  strikeout miserably but liked he just armored up like big pad stuff under his wrists,
• 1:00:12
  like crouched down, looked real, means spitting chaw out of his mouth.
• 1:00:15
  And you knew, like, oh, if he connects on a fastball,
• 1:00:17
  it's gone. It's like, but if you throw him anything else,
• 1:00:20
  he's probably missing it. Yeah. If you if you let Joe Millon just
• 1:00:22
  stand in the pocket, don't let him have any pressure. You tell him
• 1:00:25
  to throw one thing it looks great, but everything else outside of that,
• 1:00:30
  I'm not so good with the quarterback stuff. My next question for you,
• 1:00:37
  this is my favorite one. The twenty twenty four Puka nakua aka. Which
• 1:00:40
  wide receiver will present the best value and exceed their draft slot. Who is
• 1:00:46
  that for you? This is Keon Coleman. And I think the reason I
• 1:00:52
  say that is because in my mom draft today, which free cursor I do
• 1:00:55
  as what I think is going to happen and not what I would do.
• 1:01:00
  That's a very important classification because you can do one and everyone's like they would
• 1:01:02
  never take him. Here, you suck, and it's like, I'm doing
• 1:01:06
  what I think they would do. Please don't yell. Let me it.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, what I think what I would do is Keon Coleman is a first
• 1:01:12
  round receiver. What I think is going to happen is teams are gonna see
• 1:01:16
  the forty and go. I don't know, especially with a guy who's kind
• 1:01:21
  of again kind of vibe as a route runner. But we talked about the
• 1:01:24
  gauntlet twenty miles an hour, exceeding twenty miles an hour in the Gauntlet and
• 1:01:29
  running straight down the line. What else do you need to see? And
• 1:01:32
  good hands on top of that too, He's just plucking everything super somck sucking
• 1:01:37
  the ball out the air. He is a game speed overplay speed. That
• 1:01:40
  is a GPS guy. Because as someone who is a Florida State fan watching
• 1:01:45
  every game, I could do. Keon Coleman is fast. His forty time
• 1:01:50
  is fast enough it it does not matter because he will jump over your he
• 1:01:54
  will jump over your dB. He will go through your dB or go around
• 1:01:59
  your deep. He just knows, he knows how to create after the catch.
• 1:02:02
  I mean he was a punt returner and a really good punt returner at
• 1:02:06
  that, So I think he is gonna be a guy who was hurt by
• 1:02:09
  the forty. But he's their typical. Once their GPS numbers come out and
• 1:02:15
  it's like, oh, this guy is moving. Yeah, like he's We're
• 1:02:19
  gonna look back and be like, oh, how did this guy fall to
• 1:02:21
  the second round or how did this guy? How do we let this guy
• 1:02:23
  fall in the day too, because that's what you want in an outside receiver,
• 1:02:29
  the size, the hands, and even with the forty, he ran
• 1:02:31
  a one five to four to ten yards splip, which was the same as
• 1:02:34
  Jacob Cowing and Tess Walker. Like he's explosive in those ten yards And if
• 1:02:38
  you're watching on a film, that's what Kean Kleman is. He wins in
• 1:02:43
  burstive acceleration and up he is. He's like a right angle. You know
• 1:02:49
  he's gonna go out and he's gonna go up. He's got the burse and
• 1:02:52
  he's gonna go up with the vertical he can create in those little short yard
• 1:02:57
  areas, but he wins off of bursts of explosion. He's somebody who and
• 1:03:01
  I had ad Mitchell a little bit in this conversation as well, but someone
• 1:03:07
  who I think is just like an absolute enigma is Kean Coleman. Like you
• 1:03:13
  watch, there's so so many reps on tape that end so pretty, where
• 1:03:17
  like his route stem is ugly, like I have no idea what he's running,
• 1:03:22
  and then he mosses somebody, or he makes like a sick one handed
• 1:03:25
  catch in the end zone and brings it in, or he separates the physicality,
• 1:03:30
  makes the catch and then takes off for thirty yards downfield, just like
• 1:03:34
  the juxtaposition in terms of like how his reps start versus how they finish,
• 1:03:38
  and it's just like something's got to be there. And then yeah, you
• 1:03:40
  see the miles per hour that he was cooking with at the combine, you
• 1:03:45
  put it together with that frame of being a six foot three, like two
• 1:03:49
  hundred and ten pounds plus type of dude, like he looks the part.
• 1:03:52
  He's got the athleticism, he's got the size, he's got burst at times,
• 1:03:55
  he's got the hands, he can play above the rim, like he's
• 1:03:59
  somebody that if he clicks, he's gonna be that guy that everybody's like,
• 1:04:03
  Man, I can't believe he went forty fifth or he went fifty seventh or
• 1:04:08
  wherever he goes, because you're going to look back on it and be like,
• 1:04:12
  I can't believe we didn't trust the size and the athleticism and the traits
• 1:04:15
  that we saw on the miles per hour like testing. Like I understand teams
• 1:04:18
  and people being wary, but there are some aspects, Yeah, where you
• 1:04:23
  just see him on tape where you're just like, oh my god, like,
• 1:04:25
  look at that guy. Or he has a touchdown too against LSU.
• 1:04:30
  Not the long one with the yards after catch, the second one where he
• 1:04:32
  makes it in like the kind of the back corner of the end zone.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah, and he plucks it and the dB is right there and punches through
• 1:04:41
  his hands and then tries to rip the ball out as Coleman is falling down,
• 1:04:47
  And it doesn't matter. The hand strength that you have to have is
• 1:04:51
  nuts. It's the basketball player coming out. You know, he's reminding me
• 1:04:57
  a lot. You remember the Julio touchdown catch against Malcolm Butler where he has
• 1:05:01
  the ball and then he just rips it away from Malcolm Butler like a child.
• 1:05:06
  That is the same type of thing you see the basketball player ability going
• 1:05:11
  up above the room to catch the ball. And he has again incredibly strong
• 1:05:15
  hands, you know, like you can see a guy like that and go,
• 1:05:18
  oh, I can work with this. And then we add on top
• 1:05:21
  the gauntlet drill. We add on top the going over twenty miles an hour,
• 1:05:26
  which is the fastest of the group that he ran with. Like,
• 1:05:29
  that's get I get why we're making a lot of the forty. But even
• 1:05:34
  with the forty yard dash, I believe his relative athletics score was I think
• 1:05:39
  it was a nine point three to two if I remember correctly. I'm checking
• 1:05:42
  it out. It's nine point two to three, which is two hundred and
• 1:05:45
  thirty eighth out of three thousand receivers since nineteen eighty seven. It seems like
• 1:05:50
  a good athlete to me. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's just like,
• 1:05:54
  yeah, he not a greade forty but bro, yeah like it.
• 1:05:58
  He's one who again like will throw people for a loop because the people who
• 1:06:02
  were out on him if if he doesn't work out, are gonna be like,
• 1:06:06
  see, I told you he sucked, he sucked, he sucked.
• 1:06:09
  But the people that were out on him and if he balls out, they're
• 1:06:11
  gonna be like, I can't believe we didn't trust like all the traits that
• 1:06:14
  we saw. Yeah, he's a really interesting one for me, and I
• 1:06:17
  could see I had him in this conversation for me for this answer, because
• 1:06:21
  again, if if he clicks based on where I think he's gonna get taken,
• 1:06:26
  you're kicking yourself for not taking him. I went a little further down
• 1:06:29
  the board. It's a guy who I've really liked since before the Senior Bowl,
• 1:06:31
  and I liked him more at it. I'm gonna go with Javon Baker,
• 1:06:34
  wide receiver from UCF. There's just so many aspects of his game on
• 1:06:39
  tape. I think he arguably has the best release package in this class.
• 1:06:43
  Like he's got multiple moves off the line at you know, with suddenness,
• 1:06:46
  explosion power, Like he's got hand swipes and hand technique, like the variety
• 1:06:51
  of things he can do. And again at that size, you know,
• 1:06:55
  being six' one, two hundred and two pounds. He's got that kind
• 1:07:00
  of that you know, you'd like potentially be like a little bigger. But
• 1:07:03
  I think he can operate as a true X in this NFL with his release
• 1:07:06
  package and what he does. From a physicality standpoint, I think you do
• 1:07:10
  have to improve his stem work a little bit. I think he needs more
• 1:07:14
  like deception in pacing. But you just see the athleticism in the physicality regularly.
• 1:07:19
  He knows how to work leverage. He can play above the rim a
• 1:07:23
  little bit. He made a really nice play at the Senior Bowl in red
• 1:07:26
  zone work and the low red zone where he most to dude like, you
• 1:07:29
  see the athleticism in the physicality work regularly and even with needing some stem work
• 1:07:33
  and things, you know, he's got aspects where he knows how to completely
• 1:07:38
  turn around a safety or turn around a wide receipt, or turn around a
• 1:07:41
  corner, whether it's an outside corner or a slot like and he because of
• 1:07:45
  his size and physicality, he is a good blocker. He can function in
• 1:07:47
  the slot a little bit, but he can really live on that outside.
• 1:07:50
  I thought he would be more of a Day three like Round four type of
• 1:07:54
  dude. With how well he did the Senior Bowl, and then again his
• 1:07:57
  testing wasn't bad at all. I see him kind of creeping up into more
• 1:08:00
  of that day to range and generating some buzz. He's really in that next
• 1:08:04
  tier of guys where it's like him and Jalen Polk and like Jamari Thrash and
• 1:08:11
  Jalen McMillan, and it's all this like who values what, what teams are
• 1:08:15
  on the board, what's the scheme, fit and skill set that really determined
• 1:08:17
  where they go? But Jabon Baker is someone who I see just on that
• 1:08:23
  backside one on one, you gotta put a safety over the top because he
• 1:08:26
  can moss your guy. He can beat him off the line, he can
• 1:08:29
  beat him with physicality. He's tremendous separating at the catch point with having his
• 1:08:33
  hand on you and knowing how to extend just enough to give himself space without
• 1:08:40
  yes ed bro like, he's so adept at it. You see him do
• 1:08:43
  it. You see him do it so much to the point that it's either
• 1:08:46
  coached or it's drilled into him, because it's not just by accident. He
• 1:08:49
  does it so much on back shoulder throws and even stuffed downfield where he's going
• 1:08:54
  over the shoulder, there's a lot to work with. He's got a lot.
• 1:08:57
  He's like, he's really an amalgamation of a lot of different types,
• 1:09:00
  some wide receivers as far as comps, even though I'm not a big like
• 1:09:01
  comps guy, and I just think there's so many options to tap into while
• 1:09:05
  he's still raw. And so I think he could be somebody who again looking
• 1:09:11
  like now looks like back end of day two, kind of her early day
• 1:09:14
  three, who I think really could surprise surprise people. So I'm also not
• 1:09:17
  a big comp guy, but I am when it comes to measurables and kind
• 1:09:21
  of style of play. He's very similar physically and stylistically to Michael Gallup coming
• 1:09:29
  out of Colorado State. I mean they're both around six feet six one,
• 1:09:32
  two hundred and five pounds. I believe they ran the same forty yard dash.
• 1:09:36
  And what really surprises me about to Von Baker is being he plays a
• 1:09:43
  lot bigger than he actually is. I would have thought he was like six
• 1:09:46
  three two fifteen with the way he plays, and I'm like, oh,
• 1:09:48
  like six one two hundred interesting, Like I'm not again not saying they are.
• 1:09:54
  That is the player that he's going to become. But it's very similar
• 1:09:57
  to Jamar Chase coming out of LSU, who played so much bigger and stronger
• 1:10:02
  than the six feet two hundred and five pound frame that he was in.
• 1:10:05
  Yeah, but you just look at the ability to go up over defenders.
• 1:10:10
  You look at the ability after the catch. He's such a strong player after
• 1:10:13
  the catch. I think he's going to be a great I initially thought kind
• 1:10:16
  of late day too, early day three. But you can see him being
• 1:10:20
  like a really good number two. Yes, honestly, you can see him
• 1:10:26
  being the best of Michael Gallo, Yes, absolutely, And if he clicks
• 1:10:30
  in the right way with his athleticism, I could see him being like a
• 1:10:32
  low end one depending on the team that you put on. But I really
• 1:10:35
  think he could be like such a high end wide receiver two with his skill
• 1:10:39
  set, especially if you're like, again not the time the Bill's conversation necessarily
• 1:10:42
  directly, but like where your number one is a Stefan Diggs and you want
• 1:10:45
  your wide receiver two to be more of that prototypical X who's on that backside
• 1:10:49
  one on one by himself, like man like that pairings you're you're looking.
• 1:10:55
  The example I continue to give is you got trips to the right side or
• 1:10:59
  whatever, and it's feltaid Khalils Shakiran Stefon Diggs, and then Javon Baker is
• 1:11:02
  on the backside one on one, It's like, okay, like what does
• 1:11:05
  that corner look like? Because Javon's probably gonna beat him off the line if
• 1:11:09
  he presses him. If not, he can eat up that cushion and pop
• 1:11:13
  out, and he can beat him in a variety of ways. Like that's
• 1:11:15
  where he starts to become like really intriguing. Yeah, there's but again and
• 1:11:18
  this, honestly, this answer could go like a hundred different ways because there's
• 1:11:21
  so many receivers that are going to go in like round two and round three
• 1:11:25
  or even round four that everyone's gonna be like, oh, I can't believe
• 1:11:28
  they didn't go earlier because this class is so deep and so good. Yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Yeah, I think another guy that kind of falls in that category who
• 1:11:33
  didn't tested a combine and I was really disappointed Malakai Corley. I think seen
• 1:11:39
  enough tape on him, like I can't. I've gotten some smatterings, but
• 1:11:42
  it's not enough for me to complete an email. And then when he didn't
• 1:11:45
  perform at the combine. I was so pissed. We talked a little bit
• 1:11:47
  about Troy Franklin being kind of the Rick Mahorn of an NFL offense. That's
• 1:11:54
  that's Malachai Corley. Like he he does one thing. He does a few
• 1:11:58
  things really well. But one of those things is he is a running back.
• 1:12:01
  After the Caps, you think of Deebo Samuel, this is this is
• 1:12:06
  the Deebo Samuel. Everybody's so quick now to be like this guy is the
• 1:12:10
  next e Bow. This guy's the next e Bowl. But like it actually
• 1:12:13
  really fits from out really like this, No, it actually makes sense.
• 1:12:15
  I believe his career yard I believe his yards for route run has never gone
• 1:12:18
  over like two yards at Western Kentucky, like they very much knew. Like,
• 1:12:24
  Okay, this guy is great with the ball in his hands, but
• 1:12:27
  not exactly a refined route runner, especially at the top of his route.
• 1:12:32
  Won't matter. Just let him run bubble screens and jet sweeps and nobody can
• 1:12:36
  tackle him. He's just such an interesting player because of that true lack of
• 1:12:43
  any downfield targets. But if you're looking at a team who runs like a
• 1:12:46
  Shanahan offense or Sean McVay, offense that needs kind of that move guy.
• 1:12:51
  I brought them up earlier, but Atlanta would be really good for Malchai Corley
• 1:12:56
  because he can kind of be the easy offense part of that team where he
• 1:13:00
  can take He'll take your bubble screen and get you six yards and instead of
• 1:13:05
  that being oh, we're at second and seven, we're at second and four,
• 1:13:11
  and that immediately makes off it's a lot easier. You're taking this check
• 1:13:14
  down and you're getting six seven yards, which makes life a whole lot easier.
• 1:13:17
  Malci Coraly can do that will also not really having to be asked to
• 1:13:21
  do a lot of real receiver stuff. No like it. It's so simplistic
• 1:13:26
  for a quarterback because you're just spitting it out real fast around the line of
• 1:13:30
  scrimmage, and then he's making you look good by taking like an average up
• 1:13:32
  the target throw of zero and turn it into nine yards or like you gave
• 1:13:35
  the ball at two yards and he turned it into fifteen. And it's also
• 1:13:39
  funny I checked this during the Senior Bowl and I double checked it out to
• 1:13:42
  make sure. His his bio on Twitter, he calls himself the Yak King
• 1:13:46
  and yeah, like he just knows his brand. Man. Look, it's
• 1:13:53
  one thing to have a gimmick. It's one thing, it's another to live
• 1:13:58
  the gimmick. Now that poorly lives his gimmick about that action and he knows
• 1:14:03
  what he brings. It's just good to see, like know thyself, know
• 1:14:08
  who you are, and he's already brainded himself. And like, I'm surprised
• 1:14:11
  he doesn't have an apparel line already in like hoodies and hats and stuff out
• 1:14:15
  for it, just to like go on brand. Yeah, man, Like
• 1:14:15
  that's that's a good call. That's a good call. All right. Now,
• 1:14:20
  start to get to our final couple of questions and segments here. So
• 1:14:25
  I have this label twenty twenty four post combine rankings, but we've had a
• 1:14:28
  lot of tearing conversation here. We're going to focus on the next five wide
• 1:14:31
  receivers after the big three. I also realized it's like I've been shorthanding Marvin
• 1:14:36
  Harrison Junior. And I don't know why, but in my notes to you
• 1:14:40
  multiple times I called him MVH instead of MHJ. And I just noticed that.
• 1:14:45
  Now I have like no idea why, and it just pissed me off
• 1:14:46
  so much. I don't right that's actually that actually works. I'm like,
• 1:14:50
  you know what I meant to do that. Thank you so much collaboration to
• 1:14:54
  more so after however, anybody has them, I don't care. But the
• 1:14:59
  consensus, and I think rightfully so top three Marvin Harrison, Junior, Malik
• 1:15:03
  Neighbors, Romo Dunsay. However you have them, Who's one, who's two,
• 1:15:06
  who's three? That is the top three for everyone? I think it
• 1:15:09
  should be. I think there can be some debate about who is two and
• 1:15:13
  who is three, and actually potentially for some now because you know, some
• 1:15:15
  people have neighbors as one, which I think is getting into a little bit
• 1:15:19
  of the not that neighbors is a far better prospect than I'm about to make
• 1:15:24
  the comparison with. But I feel like the Neighbors over Harrison conversation is starting
• 1:15:30
  to get a little bit into the Tyree Wilson over will Anderson conversation from last
• 1:15:33
  year. But neighbors is just super legit. I didn't buy into Tyree Wilson,
• 1:15:38
  and I thought we were doing the whole like Anderson dominated and then came
• 1:15:42
  back and everybody was like, oh cause, it's like it's hard to reach
• 1:15:45
  that expectation. In that bar that you set. I think Harrison's getting that
• 1:15:48
  a little bit, but I digress. So aside from Marvin Harrison Junior,
• 1:15:54
  Lak Neighbors, Romo DOONSA, give me your next five wide receivers in order
• 1:16:00
  in this draft class, I had my big board done pre combined, but
• 1:16:04
  I think the rankings are going to change a little bit after So, like
• 1:16:09
  you said, we've kind of teared it out. First tier is Marvin Harrison
• 1:16:13
  Jr. Roman Doom's Day, Elite Neighbors. I think you get those three
• 1:16:16
  cut dry, you're there. Yes, the next group is kind of where
• 1:16:20
  I lipped it a little bit. So initially I had Brian Thomas Junior keon
• 1:16:26
  Coleman, Ady Mitchell. Now I think I'm going Brian Thomas Junior eighty Mitchell
• 1:16:30
  keon Coleman Okay. And I think for me in the big board, the
• 1:16:35
  gap between the three were so small where a forty time for eighty Mitchell,
• 1:16:41
  I can go, okay that I can do this now, like I'm willing
• 1:16:45
  to go there now, Like the gap between them was so small where you're
• 1:16:48
  like, okay, now I can kind of I can kind of get on
• 1:16:51
  board with this. Then the next two receivers I had were Jalen Polk and
• 1:16:56
  Ladi McConkie. Nice, I'm a big Jalen Polk guy. I love all
• 1:17:00
  the Washington receivers he had. A Polk had a rough first half of the
• 1:17:02
  season when they came the drops, but again, he is so explosive as
• 1:17:08
  a prospect. When you watch him all tape, the four or five to
• 1:17:11
  two kind of doesn't tell the whole like the whole absolutely absolutely, but he
• 1:17:16
  was there like outside of a Dudnesday. He was the go down the field
• 1:17:20
  and he was also the quick screen guy, you know, So he was
• 1:17:25
  able to do those things and be kind of a specialist in an offense.
• 1:17:28
  But I think he has a lot of room to grow as a player.
• 1:17:30
  I think Jayleen McMillan is the same way, where you get they have so
• 1:17:32
  much room to grow as athletes and players. So I love Jalen Polk's ability,
• 1:17:39
  And like I said, Lad McConkie professional get opener. I'm I would
• 1:17:44
  be much more willing to put Ladi McConkie as right right behind Coleman as that
• 1:17:49
  receiver. I guess he'd bes seven, he's seven. I can put him
• 1:17:58
  in that anywhere between, like anywhere in that wide receiver like five to seven
• 1:18:02
  or five to eight range or four to eight range. Honestly, with Latimerconkie,
• 1:18:08
  I'm cool with wherever you have him, Like all right that I can
• 1:18:11
  see that because he's answered every question that has been asked of him in this
• 1:18:15
  process. Can he get off press He did it at the Senior Bowl if
• 1:18:18
  he fast enough. He just ran four three nine. At this point,
• 1:18:23
  it's like what else us we got to do? You know? I think
• 1:18:28
  the injury will probably play a little bit of a role. He was a
• 1:18:30
  little dinged up this past season in Georgia. But look, I just if
• 1:18:36
  you want an exclusively like if you want a slot receiver can really move and
• 1:18:41
  can really provide you with easy offense at any level of the field, Latimerconkie.
• 1:18:45
  So I think that's where I'm at right now. It's probably gonna change
• 1:18:48
  a little bit as I do more in depth scouting post combine. I think
• 1:18:51
  I'm gonna go back and watch some more Javon Baker because I got a little
• 1:18:56
  early. I got early scouting on him, of course, because I live
• 1:18:58
  in Orlando, watched you games girlfriends a UCF fan, So I had a
• 1:19:02
  lot of UCF games. I remember the Oklahoma game where if he loads the
• 1:19:06
  kiss, loads the kiss to the fans, I'm like, all right,
• 1:19:10
  I'm in on this guy. I love this guy. This guy is a
• 1:19:14
  top tier ship talker, buffoonery, thom Tom Foolery, shit Hausery. I
• 1:19:20
  want this guy on my team with everybody. Everybody needs a guy who's going
• 1:19:25
  to do that, but only one guy. Yes, So I'm gonna go
• 1:19:29
  back and watch some more of him. I just got finished watching some more
• 1:19:31
  Jalen Coker, and like I said, I think he can be a really
• 1:19:34
  good he can be a good Day three option. But right now, the
• 1:19:38
  next five are Thomas Junior, Ady Mitchell, key On Coleman, and then
• 1:19:42
  I think I'm gonna go latimcconkie, Jalen Polk Nice. This one was really
• 1:19:46
  hard for me, like with kind of really the wide receiver eight, so
• 1:19:53
  like the last of the five ranking after the top three. So I mentioned
• 1:19:56
  earlier, I've got Worthy as four, I've got Brian Thomas Junior, and
• 1:20:00
  then I've got Ady Mitchell as six. Ladd McConkie is seven. But I
• 1:20:05
  kind of want to put and it's so funny because they're so such different players.
• 1:20:09
  I kind of want to put Mitchell and lad like I have Mitchell six,
• 1:20:13
  lad As seven, but they're they're here like they're on the That's exactly
• 1:20:17
  right, they're on the same line. So and it's again, it's so
• 1:20:20
  funny because they're so vastly different with their profiles and how they play the game.
• 1:20:25
  And I think I think that's a legit separation for me, like to
• 1:20:29
  your point with the tiers, like I think you've got the big three,
• 1:20:31
  and then for me Worthy, Brian Thomas, Mitchell, and Mconkee now I
• 1:20:38
  think have separated themselves a little bit as kind of like that next tier.
• 1:20:44
  But then the last spot in that tier or the first spot in the tier
• 1:20:46
  after this one is where I really struggled. Like I could put you,
• 1:20:50
  you could put you in the polk there. You could put Javon Baker there,
• 1:20:54
  like you could put Kean Coleman there, like the names. I understand.
• 1:20:58
  If somebody wants to put Xavier like get down there. I even I
• 1:21:01
  know we haven't talked about him a bunch, Like Roman Wilson does a lot
• 1:21:04
  of like really cool things. I'm cool if someone wants to put him there,
• 1:21:09
  like I really struggled with who is at this wide receiver eight spot for
• 1:21:14
  me, I'm going to leave Kean Coleman there, but it's kind of like
• 1:21:17
  Coleman. I wanted to just not even just like to put in for the
• 1:21:20
  sake. I wanted to put some like bigger bodied dude, So like,
• 1:21:25
  give me Coleman, give me Javon Baker, Like give me somebody that has
• 1:21:28
  more of that true like profile to put in. But I really could have
• 1:21:31
  thrown in like ten different dudes. And I love both of the Jalens,
• 1:21:35
  even though their names are spelled different, but Polk and McMillan especially too.
• 1:21:39
  I went back to twenty twenty two because McMillan was really the number two in
• 1:21:45
  Washington in twenty twenty two, started out that way this year, got hurt.
• 1:21:47
  That helped Polk emerge a little bit. Then McMillan came back and was
• 1:21:51
  more of like the slot and underneath guy. But he's got a rep in
• 1:21:56
  twenty twenty two and I posted it last week. He's running a post against
• 1:22:00
  Christian Gonzalez, who was my corner one last year coming out of Oregon,
• 1:22:03
  and Gonzalez is right on top of him. Like Gonzalez is awesome and the
• 1:22:09
  balls throw him like forty fifty yards down field from Penix and Gonzales kind of
• 1:22:13
  goes over the top of him to try and moss him and pick it,
• 1:22:16
  but Polk goes up with him, turns in mid air and rips the ball
• 1:22:21
  away from Christian Gonzales as they go to the ground. And that to me
• 1:22:26
  was like whoa, Like that's a legit corner and you just beat the hell
• 1:22:30
  out of him on this rep. And there's obviously other like good things he
• 1:22:32
  does. He has a really good red zone rep this year where they bracket
• 1:22:35
  him and he shakes the linebacker and then shakes the safety, splits them both
• 1:22:40
  and gets open in the back of the end zone. I really like McMillan,
• 1:22:43
  even this comedy from Walter saying like I really like Jermaine Burton. I
• 1:22:46
  really do like name. Like he's just got so many the things that worry
• 1:22:53
  me a little bit, like that after the game stuff against Tennessee where he
• 1:22:56
  like hit that fan or did whatever, like, and he he's a log
• 1:23:00
  to the point where I'm like, I don't know if he can ever be
• 1:23:02
  reeled in like he is. And this is it's I love it, but
• 1:23:05
  also worries to me. So in the game against Texas A and M,
• 1:23:09
  it's like the first or second drive. It's like second and seven and runs
• 1:23:14
  like a six yard hitch and then the corner breaks it up, punches it
• 1:23:18
  out of his hands. Burton drops it and says something to Burton. For
• 1:23:23
  the entire rest of that game, every time Burton makes any kind of catch,
• 1:23:28
  he is barking at that corner every single rep, no matter what,
• 1:23:32
  letting him know you could tell like he dropped that one was like a word,
• 1:23:36
  okay, I got you, and he cooks him the red Like he's
• 1:23:39
  running stunner goes. He's running slants and breaking tackles from linebackers and safeties.
• 1:23:45
  He's got a route against that same corner. He's operating as the number two
• 1:23:48
  in a stack. It's just like a deep out, but the corner grabs
• 1:23:53
  him, like completely grabs his arm because Burton beats him on the release and
• 1:23:56
  gets by him, and Burton, rather than just like trying to draw the
• 1:24:00
  flag, plays through. It literally shakes him off his body as he snaps
• 1:24:05
  out on the out, completely throws the corner and then is wide open and
• 1:24:10
  then of course gets up and talks and immediately points and runs his mouth like
• 1:24:13
  he plays with juice. He tested well. I think he has good route
• 1:24:16
  running precision, he's toughness, like, he's got good size. He's one
• 1:24:20
  that like is a dark horse candidate for me in general in this draft.
• 1:24:24
  But I also would throw in there. I'm only two games in, so
• 1:24:27
  I want to watch at least two more. I'll probably watch three or four
• 1:24:30
  more just because of how he was used. Actually in general, like him
• 1:24:32
  and Isaiah Bond, I feel like weren't talked about enough as wide receivers at
• 1:24:35
  Alabama this year. I think the Bond's phenomenal. I'm so good and he's
• 1:24:40
  gonna ball out at Texas, like just a cool spot for him. I
• 1:24:44
  think they both got hindered a little bit by Milroe trying to find his game
• 1:24:47
  as a passer. But yeah, Burton just plays with this juice and this
• 1:24:51
  tenacity that I just find intoxicating. Burton runs such good post corners, good
• 1:24:58
  call and like he's got a good rocker step too. He knows how to
• 1:25:01
  use that rocker and he is really good at the late separation point of the
• 1:25:06
  point of route running where if you have him running routes downfield, like a
• 1:25:10
  post corner or a corner post, he can create that separation. I like
• 1:25:13
  the points you had about the text A and M game, because every team
• 1:25:15
  needs a Jermaine Burton. They only need one Jermaine can't You can't take Burton
• 1:25:20
  and Javon Baker. That's too much on the same team. That's too much.
• 1:25:25
  That is too many problems, that is too many chaos bringers. But
• 1:25:29
  everybody needs a chaos springer. You know, you were talking about how many
• 1:25:31
  good, like really good receivers are going to be in this class, and
• 1:25:34
  we again we talked about it at the front. Ricky Piersoll is a guy
• 1:25:39
  who he was going to step in immediately and be a really good number three.
• 1:25:44
  He could be that Puka Nakula like when where he gets taken. You're
• 1:25:46
  like, man, how did everybody wait till round three to take Ricky Piersol
• 1:25:49
  or whatever. Yeah, he also has the greatest catch I think I've ever
• 1:25:53
  seen all that one startlett or he just basically grabs it out the air like
• 1:25:58
  go, go gadget, and like nice, I don't understand how he did
• 1:26:00
  it, but he just palmed the ball while and again it wasn't like it
• 1:26:04
  was a sideline catch. This was over the middle of the video. Yeah,
• 1:26:08
  and like the seam as he's about to get hit falling, just nuts
• 1:26:12
  insane confidence to go up with one hand and make that catch. You know,
• 1:26:16
  we talked about him again. Corley is a guy who I think is
• 1:26:19
  gonna fill a really good need for a team. Leget can be again three
• 1:26:25
  and threezing dunks. That's what you want to get doing right now. You
• 1:26:29
  want to run the three twenty sixteen rockets seven seconds or less. Baby,
• 1:26:33
  you're gonna run that go route, but you're gonna run this screen and we're
• 1:26:38
  gonna see what we can do after. He's had a really weird, really
• 1:26:42
  odd kind of post season process. He's he and also tes Walker had a
• 1:26:49
  really weird he had He had a really weird season. But the pre draft
• 1:26:55
  process hasn't been kind to him. Horrible hor row rough and I wanted him
• 1:27:01
  to do good and like he just would. He just kept dropping like everything,
• 1:27:04
  and you could tell that I thought he was and I don't I'm not
• 1:27:06
  saying this jokingly, Like I thought he was gonna have like a breakdown because
• 1:27:11
  he was so frustrated at himself, Bro, and he kept getting open,
• 1:27:15
  like he kept winning in all these ways, and he kept dropping like everything
• 1:27:18
  to the point that I remember like the coaching staff were trying to be like
• 1:27:21
  Bro, like calm down, like it's okay. You could tell how frustrated
• 1:27:24
  he was with himself. Yeah, you could tell he was getting inside of
• 1:27:27
  his own head. It was. It was like having the gifts, you
• 1:27:30
  know, like it it's really hard to get out of that, but you're
• 1:27:32
  gonna You're gonna count on that speed. You encount on that guy being the
• 1:27:35
  deep vertical threat. I think he is the MVS of this class. You
• 1:27:41
  know, there there's a lot of guys who are kind of MBS coded in
• 1:27:45
  this class. And Tess Walker. I think Tess Walker is really the uh.
• 1:27:50
  He's MVS heavy and Troy Franklin is his diet MVS in a good way.
• 1:27:57
  I don't mean that in a demeaning way. I mean that in a
• 1:28:00
  good in a kind way. There it's like Bud light Bud heavy. You
• 1:28:02
  know, Tys Walter is MBS heavy. But there are so many guys who
• 1:28:08
  can fill even the specialist roles, who can be really really good specialist Jacob
• 1:28:13
  Cowing is going to be a really really good specialist. He's again not big,
• 1:28:17
  not at all. He is a tiny receiver, but he can win
• 1:28:21
  in the slot. That is a guy who benefits a lot from Tank Dell
• 1:28:26
  being very good immediately because he's around that same size. But he just he
• 1:28:31
  is going to be a really good specialist for a team. And his teammate
• 1:28:33
  Tedoroald McMillan at Arizona next year is a dude. Like he is a dude
• 1:28:40
  at receiver. But there's so many different types of receivers in this class,
• 1:28:45
  so many different flavors that if you want, you can pick from anybody.
• 1:28:48
  Yep, Cowing is in a good name, like he's got some really great
• 1:28:53
  tape. And then like I saw him come into the Senior Bowl and he
• 1:28:56
  didn't perform how I wanted him to or would have liked to see him perform
• 1:28:59
  at But then he had a good combine, like tested well running sub four
• 1:29:02
  four and again, like you said, like he'll benefit from that kind of
• 1:29:05
  like frame and like smaller guys succeeding. But he's someone I feel like it's
• 1:29:09
  kind of falling off in the conversation a little bit after being kind of like
• 1:29:12
  a draft Darling early on. It really is. Again, this is another
• 1:29:15
  conversation where like dart throw, you're probably gonna land on a good wide receiver
• 1:29:19
  like it's it's it's really, it's really pretty nuts. Yeah, all right,
• 1:29:24
  how many guys? I wonder how many teams are gonna just trade up
• 1:29:27
  in the day, in the day two I think overall that's going to be
• 1:29:30
  a major point for this draft because of how many guys ended up going back
• 1:29:33
  to college due to nil transfer portal. I wonder how many teams are just
• 1:29:38
  gonna say, screw it, we'll just punt on this draft and trade up
• 1:29:42
  and either trade out into next year's draft or see team team teams go,
• 1:29:47
  we don't want to let our picks go to waste here. Let's just trade
• 1:29:50
  up into the second into Day two or in early day three and see if
• 1:29:56
  we can get a guy. Or maybe we see teams who are gonna draft,
• 1:29:59
  you know, in previous years, probably priority udfas just saying like,
• 1:30:02
  hey, look, there's not a lot of debt at the back end in
• 1:30:08
  some points of this class. But with this receiver class, I wonder how
• 1:30:11
  many teams are just going to trade up in the Day two and try and
• 1:30:13
  grab as many of them as possible. I'm wondering that too, Like how
• 1:30:16
  many like teams really go for the kind of quality over quantity aspect with this
• 1:30:21
  draft class from a pick perspective, especially with how thorough like that wide receiver
• 1:30:26
  class is and being able to have cost control on multiple receivers going forward for
• 1:30:32
  like any team like man like, especially for a team like Kansas City potentially,
• 1:30:38
  like who has kind of hit a lot of things on defense. Granted,
• 1:30:40
  we'll see what happens with Snead and Jones going forward this offseason, but
• 1:30:43
  like they need a lot of wide receiver help, Like maybe they doubled it
• 1:30:45
  to out of the first three rounds and sacrifice some picks and come out with
• 1:30:48
  like instead of having like but again that quantity piece, like they go for
• 1:30:53
  more of the quality aspect for multiple top tier type of dudes. Like and
• 1:30:57
  that's just one example, Like I I Yeah, this class is just so
• 1:31:00
  there's so much usage potential, like for whatever you're looking for, Like,
• 1:31:05
  do you want a movement guy, we got it. Do you want a
• 1:31:08
  slot guy, we got it. Do you want an X guy, We
• 1:31:10
  got it? Do you want somebody who's a little bit all that, we
• 1:31:12
  got it. Do you want yards after catch? We got it? You
• 1:31:15
  want route runners? We got Like it's everything, so like what do you
• 1:31:17
  need? Obviously that's gonna determine how the board goes, but there's really something
• 1:31:23
  to like in almost like every guy. Even if you're a team that doesn't
• 1:31:25
  need a slot receiver, you can look at a Ricky Piersoll or Lad mcconky
• 1:31:28
  and be like, should we take Lad McConkie and Rickey pearsall because like you
• 1:31:32
  know what, yeah, we can play him a little on the outside,
• 1:31:34
  don't you know. Ricky's more like the slot, but we could also do
• 1:31:36
  this because he ran a four to four. It's just all these aspects,
• 1:31:41
  like it's so fun with how deep this class is and yeah, it's just
• 1:31:44
  absolutely wild, like how how well they've done. I like this comment from
• 1:31:46
  Williams Lane to eat at the twenty twenty three wide receiver to Fay, Yeah,
• 1:31:49
  that's exactly right. I think you want one, go get two.
• 1:31:53
  If you think you want to go get three, I mean might as well.
• 1:31:56
  Like look if you draft a guy like Xavier Legat who might be an
• 1:31:59
  outside receiver and it only does like yack and deep stuff right now, Well
• 1:32:03
  draft Ricky pier Sal too. They compliment each other if you love it.
• 1:32:06
  If you got a fusion day, it's Ricky Piersol and Xavier but get you
• 1:32:10
  get the perfect wide receiver. So you just have both of them at the
• 1:32:15
  same time. You're gonna have them on the same on the same field and
• 1:32:16
  you can really get to cooking. But you just want to give yourself as
• 1:32:20
  many throws at dartboard, like you said, at this receiver class, just
• 1:32:26
  try it. Just see what happens, because there might you might not get
• 1:32:30
  this shot again. No, you might go back up and there's no more
• 1:32:32
  butterfly shrimp. So just get as much butterfleshrimp as you can before you go
• 1:32:35
  back and sit down at the table. That's what you gotta do. Every
• 1:32:39
  wide receiver is butterfly shrimp. That's what it is. A little more large
• 1:32:43
  scale perspective here, as we've talked about evaluating prospects and pieces, when you
• 1:32:45
  watch for college receivers and trying to you know, and see who's gonna translate
• 1:32:50
  and transition to that next that next level of the NFL. Is there one
• 1:32:55
  or two or a handful of things you look for. Is there something that
• 1:32:58
  you place above everything? Is it something technical? Is it something traits versus
• 1:33:01
  skill set? What do you look for watch for when evaluating wide receivers.
• 1:33:06
  So what I really like to do first is kind of dig into the numbers
• 1:33:10
  of where they lined up their alignment, what they were asked to do.
• 1:33:15
  You know, when you're comparing guys and guess ranking guys when it comes to
• 1:33:18
  like again an ad Mitchell versus Aladimer Coonky, they might be asked to do
• 1:33:24
  two different things at the NFL level because that's what they were asked to do
• 1:33:28
  in college. You know, ad Mitchell didn't have a lot of production after
• 1:33:31
  the catch because he was used as the traditional X receiver outside guy. And
• 1:33:36
  he even said that the combine, I don't have a lot of yak because
• 1:33:40
  that's not what I was asked to do in the offense. So you're not
• 1:33:42
  going to ask them to do that initially at the NFL level because you want
• 1:33:45
  to make that acclimation as easy as possible. Whereas with Ladi McConkie, you
• 1:33:49
  don't want to have them running all the outside routes. You want to have
• 1:33:51
  a guy who can kind of take those blows for them, But what you
• 1:33:55
  want to do is get him a free release where you can really really work
• 1:33:58
  those nickel corners, those safeties. So that's where I first start. I
• 1:34:01
  start with trying to figure out where this guy lined up, where what they
• 1:34:05
  did best, and where the team used him. And then I'm looking at
• 1:34:11
  I'm looking at their targets. I'm looking at how you caught the ball,
• 1:34:14
  what kind of routes you were asked to, you asked to run a lot,
• 1:34:16
  what were you most successful at. Because we might get a guy who's
• 1:34:20
  an ex receiver, but all the routes are against off coverage and he's just
• 1:34:25
  like and he's he might be against off coverage, but he's eating up that
• 1:34:28
  off coverage real quickly. So they might see a guy who, hey,
• 1:34:30
  he might be pretty fast and he can be able to create that separation in
• 1:34:34
  those those six yard stop routes that have become all too common in college football
• 1:34:39
  and in football in general, just where you're eating up the cushion and then
• 1:34:42
  turn it right back around. And then next I like to look at how
• 1:34:45
  they do against press, because that's going to obviously be a problem, especially
• 1:34:51
  with where I think the NFL is going with. You see teams like Kansas
• 1:34:56
  City who have physical corners who are gonna want to be in your face.
• 1:35:00
  See teams like you see coordinators like Ryan Nielsen who wants to play his corners
• 1:35:03
  in a very pressed man style. Again with defensive coordinators, all of them
• 1:35:09
  want to live and cover one on third down. That's what you want to
• 1:35:13
  get to because we all believe our guys better than your guy. You can't
• 1:35:17
  get away from them. So now you want to see guys who can create
• 1:35:20
  against press coverage. But I think it all comes with contextualizing these guys to
• 1:35:26
  create a full picture. We were saying a lot about Troy Franklin, like
• 1:35:30
  the fact that right now he's not really he might just be a downfield vertical
• 1:35:34
  receiver. Isn't an indictment of what he can be when we had this conversation
• 1:35:40
  maybe like four years, three years down the line. It's just this is
• 1:35:43
  what he's going to do now. This is what he's going to do right
• 1:35:45
  now. When you think about the NFL and teams, teams want to win
• 1:35:49
  the Super Bowl right now, that is the goal you go in to win
• 1:35:53
  the Super Bowl. In twenty twenty five, and I think that's where you
• 1:35:58
  see, Okay, this is what this guy can do for us. Now,
• 1:36:01
  now we see what this guy can become. And you kind that's where
• 1:36:04
  you put together the body type, the body, the movement skills, the
• 1:36:09
  I think age kind of plays a role here a little bit, just because
• 1:36:15
  you look at age and you kind of think, hey, maybe this guy
• 1:36:17
  has a maxed out frame. You know, like if you're twenty three,
• 1:36:20
  twenty four years old, like you might not be able to grow, you
• 1:36:24
  might not be able to put on a little more weight at a little more
• 1:36:27
  good weight. Yes, it's very rare weight. Yeah, we can put
• 1:36:32
  on bad weight, but it's really rare for a guy that at that age
• 1:36:36
  to put on good weight once they get to the NFL. But there's a
• 1:36:42
  lot of compounding factors. But I was on a show pre Combined talking about
• 1:36:46
  what to really watch, and I brought receivers a lot, because you want
• 1:36:50
  to look at explosivens, you want to look at the hips, and that's
• 1:36:55
  where I think the broad jumps, the vertical jump, the short shuttles.
• 1:36:59
  Then we look at the forty and that's really fun. The forty yard dash
• 1:37:02
  is great, but you think about what it takes to win as a receiver
• 1:37:06
  and what it takes to win in the NFL in general. It is the
• 1:37:10
  NFL is built on five to seven second explosion, and then you get like
• 1:37:17
  ten seconds to get to relax a little bit. You know, you're not
• 1:37:21
  constantly running. This isn't soccer or basketball where you're constantly having to run full
• 1:37:26
  speed. You get a little bit of a break between. But when that
• 1:37:29
  ball is stap you have to be moving. You have to go from zero
• 1:37:31
  to sixty very quickly. And that's why I think the junks the explosion.
• 1:37:36
  You want to be able to see that because that's where receivers are going to
• 1:37:40
  make their money. You want to be able to be explosive and create in
• 1:37:44
  those in those ten to fifteen yard areas. Because we've had this discussion before,
• 1:37:50
  the NFL is cyclical and where I think the NFL is going now because
• 1:37:55
  of how often teams are playing shell coverage and eliminating everything deep able to win
• 1:38:00
  after the catch. Unless you're Marvin Harrison Junior, who is one of the
• 1:38:04
  best outside receivers I have possibly ever seen or ever scouted, it's important to
• 1:38:12
  be able to win for the catch. And even if guys really aren't the
• 1:38:15
  most creative after the catch, like Adi Mitchell, maybe they win in other
• 1:38:17
  ways. And that's where I think it comes down to with scouting. What
• 1:38:21
  you're watching for is what this guy is now and what can he can win
• 1:38:27
  at right now? That's where the production where. Okay, maybe he went
• 1:38:30
  one in this way right now, but then you look at the movement,
• 1:38:33
  skills, the body type, and that's what you're looking at for what he
• 1:38:36
  can become. I love that. I love start like pretty much everything you
• 1:38:41
  said. I mean, I gravitate towards what you're say in general, but
• 1:38:44
  you nailed it, and it hits so many of the things that I really
• 1:38:47
  look for myself. Like the big thing for me I start with and I
• 1:38:51
  love how you said it, like what what can they do right now?
• 1:38:55
  Like that's my starting point for everything, Like what is your floor? Like,
• 1:39:00
  Okay, if we draft you right now and you never improve, what
• 1:39:03
  do we get out of this pick? Because it's not a guarantee that anybody's
• 1:39:09
  going to improve. There's so much nature in the person, but also nurture
• 1:39:15
  for the organization that you get like, which which is why the conversation always
• 1:39:18
  and we get it with the Bills all the time, Like I can't stand
• 1:39:21
  the conversation of well, the Bills passed on Mahomes. The Bills could have
• 1:39:26
  had Mahomes. The Bills didn't need to trade stuff for Stefan Diggs. They
• 1:39:29
  could have just sat and had Justin Jefferson. There's so many factors that go
• 1:39:32
  into making a player who they are. Just dropping them off into another franchise
• 1:39:38
  doesn't guarantee the exact same career trajectory, especially for one like Mahomes, who
• 1:39:43
  sat and learned genuinely behind Alex Smith, and they got paired up with like
• 1:39:46
  the Enemy and Naggie and Andy Reid over and over and over again. It
• 1:39:50
  had Travis Kelcey in this support system and Tyreek Hill and the weapons and everything.
• 1:39:55
  The Bills didn't have that infrastructure. And so much of who a player
• 1:40:00
  becomes is on them, like your drive, your work ethic, what you
• 1:40:03
  do to take your game to the next level. But a lot of it,
• 1:40:06
  too is that franchise piece, like are you set up for success?
• 1:40:11
  Is the fit right physically and mentally on and off the field. There's so
• 1:40:15
  many ways that these things can go sideway, So it's not a guarantee that
• 1:40:18
  these players hit their ceilings. If it was, everybody would hit on every
• 1:40:21
  single freaking pick in the draft every single year. It's part of the reason
• 1:40:25
  why the draft is a crapshop, because we don't know how dudes are going
• 1:40:27
  to turn out. So I start with, well, yeah, what can
• 1:40:30
  they do right now? Like that, going back to earlier talking about Brian
• 1:40:33
  Thomas, right like, if nothing else, I got a big dude who
• 1:40:36
  can play above the rim and who runs really fast. Okay, even if
• 1:40:40
  he doesn't hit the ceiling, I think I might be able to work with
• 1:40:43
  this a little bit in some kind of way. Probably don't get the value,
• 1:40:45
  but I can at least do some things with a really big guy who
• 1:40:47
  runs really fast, and so so much of that for me is also tied
• 1:40:50
  into the route running. I want to see how guys win. Are you
• 1:40:55
  winning at the release? Are you winning in your stem? How are you
• 1:40:59
  winning in the step white type of routes? Do you win on do you
• 1:41:01
  win on the break? How do you win on the break? Is it
• 1:41:03
  with technique? Is it with power? Is it with physicality? Is it
• 1:41:06
  with all of those things? Do you separate at the catch point? Versus
• 1:41:11
  separating the stem, versus separating at the release and winning on the release.
• 1:41:15
  So all of those things going together, along with the size and frame and
• 1:41:18
  kind of putting a page together for a guy and seeing how do they win
• 1:41:25
  and can they continue to win like that in the NFL. Which is why
• 1:41:29
  route running to me is like the number one that I start with, because
• 1:41:31
  good route running translates no matter what, even if you're slow as hell.
• 1:41:35
  If you know how to move, if you know how to sell, if
• 1:41:38
  you know how to deceive in your stems and in your breaks and in your
• 1:41:42
  routes, with eyes, head, body language, all that kind of stuff,
• 1:41:45
  you can make a name for yourself. Adam Feelin was probably running like
• 1:41:49
  a four nine forty this past year in Carolina, and he's separated left and
• 1:41:53
  right because he knows how to lie to defenders and manipulate them. He's running,
• 1:41:59
  he's running deep overs and creating like ten yards of separation, and he's
• 1:42:02
  slow as hell doing it, but he's wide open because he knows how to
• 1:42:05
  manipulate it. I always put it back to like a pitcher, you started
• 1:42:10
  out earlier in your career, cool you were throwing ninety seven ninety eight and
• 1:42:13
  a touch in ninety nine with your fastball. Cool when you're thirty one,
• 1:42:16
  thirty two, thirty three, that gas is gone, bro, Like,
• 1:42:19
  can you pitch? Can you be a Greg Maddox or a Tom Glavin?
• 1:42:23
  Can you paint those corners? Can you be a pitcher as opposed to being
• 1:42:27
  a thrower? And so I look at those things a lot like, which
• 1:42:30
  is why usually gravitate towards like the Maconkey's and the pure Sauls of the world.
• 1:42:33
  These guys who have such they provide such a high floor. And granted
• 1:42:38
  I think both of them have actually some fun ceilings now with what we've seen,
• 1:42:42
  But even if they didn't, I'd be like, well, you know
• 1:42:44
  what those are, dudes, you can find a home for right now because
• 1:42:46
  of how they win, Because how they win is translatable at the next level.
• 1:42:50
  That is what I am looking for with everything. It is just that
• 1:42:54
  pure piece of how do you win right now in college? And can you
• 1:42:58
  win that way in the NFL? And if not, do you have the
• 1:43:02
  capacity to change your game or enhance your game to be able to win in
• 1:43:08
  that way at the NFL or win in different ways? To your point,
• 1:43:11
  like of that's when you start to look at the traits and the size and
• 1:43:13
  the frame and think like, Okay, does this player have the capacity to
• 1:43:17
  play in this way or change this or refine this? And if not,
• 1:43:21
  then you're looking at more of a floor player. What does it take them?
• 1:43:25
  What does it take for them to hit that ceiling? And then what
• 1:43:28
  does their floor look like? And for me, that starts with the route
• 1:43:30
  running piece of separation aspect. Then then you're tying in with the skill set
• 1:43:33
  and the trades to really build and go from there towards touching that ceiling.
• 1:43:38
  And even with route running, what I think has kind of I think not
• 1:43:43
  that route running has not mattered, because it really does, but I think
• 1:43:46
  it really depends on what you need and what your team needs are DK Metcalf
• 1:43:53
  is not the greatest route runner. He's not the best route runner on his
• 1:43:57
  team. But when the Seahawks drafted Dk Metcalf, they knew that going in
• 1:44:01
  they didn't need a guy who was going to create separation via route running.
• 1:44:04
  They had Tyler Lockett for that. They needed a big dude that can run
• 1:44:08
  fast. You only got to run three routes hitch, slat and go and
• 1:44:11
  he's really good at doing that. And I think that also goes ties into
• 1:44:15
  what a team likes to do, what the team needs or what they ask
• 1:44:19
  of receivers, and that's gonna be something that's really important when it comes to
• 1:44:24
  this class because there's so many guys who do so many different things. If
• 1:44:28
  you depends on what you look for in your team, what are you looking
• 1:44:31
  for when you build out your receiver cord. That's a great, exactly way,
• 1:44:35
  like the exact way to put it, because it's that's where that fit
• 1:44:41
  comes in. And that's why that nurture aspect is so well. If you
• 1:44:43
  bring in player A to do X because you think, hey, we can
• 1:44:47
  turn him into this guy who can do X, but really he's made to
• 1:44:51
  be why let him be? Why? Like sometimes it's that round peg and
• 1:44:55
  a square hole type of thing and that fit isn't there, And then people
• 1:44:58
  are sitting there going like, oh, how come we never saw him,
• 1:45:01
  you know, reach the heights that he was supposed to reach it, Well,
• 1:45:03
  it's because he was playing out of a spot. And I think that's
• 1:45:05
  where that goes into our conversation earlier when we were talking about those traits guys
• 1:45:10
  and the coaches who think like, oh, I can coach this guy up.
• 1:45:13
  The conversation we're having about Johnny Wilson. Some of that sometimes can work
• 1:45:17
  on the other side of the coin in a negative way, where coaches have
• 1:45:20
  that hubris about themselves and they think, you know, I know this guy
• 1:45:25
  is made to do X, but I can get him to do why?
• 1:45:27
  And then you're sitting there three or four years later, and this guy's fourth
• 1:45:30
  or fifth on your depth chart and he never amounted to what you wanted him
• 1:45:33
  to be because you tried to force him into this box that he wasn't necessarily
• 1:45:38
  built to live in. And I feel like we, oh, who,
• 1:45:42
  I don't. I know it's a norm of a popular set quote, but
• 1:45:45
  it was said recently by someone. But the whole idea of like, organizations
• 1:45:48
  fail the players more than the players fail the organizations when it comes to who
• 1:45:53
  they become. And I think, honestly, I do think that's true.
• 1:45:55
  I think it's it's a bit of both, But I would say like it's
• 1:45:58
  sixty forty or fifty five forty five something because a lot of times, like
• 1:46:02
  being set up for success is so important organizationally on and off the field.
• 1:46:08
  And it starts with that schematic piece and knowing what a guy does, can
• 1:46:11
  you lean into it versus trying to make him something that he's not. And
• 1:46:15
  it sounds so ridiculous because I feel like people watching are gonna be like,
• 1:46:18
  why would you take somebody and try to make him something that he's not.
• 1:46:21
  You see that all the time in sports in general, but especially in the
• 1:46:26
  NFL. Guys try to take a square peg and they think you'll they'll be
• 1:46:30
  more valuable in a round hole. But guess what, the square don't fit
• 1:46:32
  in the round. Yeah, like we're I use this example a lot because
• 1:46:38
  of how he played currently, but j Davian Clowney was a number one overall
• 1:46:41
  pick not because he was a well rounded pass rusher who could go and get
• 1:46:46
  you to twelve and a half sacks. He was a number one overall pick
• 1:46:50
  because he was an awesome run defender who could dead people. Yeah, and
• 1:46:56
  on stunts and loops. And I think from all the time this career,
• 1:47:00
  they tried to make him something that he was not, which is a bend
• 1:47:02
  around the corner, twelve and a half sat guy. Then he gets to
• 1:47:06
  Baltimore with Mike McDonald and they're saying like, look, we don't need you
• 1:47:11
  to do the bend around the corner stuff. We want you to hit people
• 1:47:14
  in the face. And he had one of the best few years of his
• 1:47:16
  career. So really just that nature and nurture part really is what it comes
• 1:47:23
  back down to. Like we said, what you'll be able to do now
• 1:47:28
  is what we'll get you in the door, Like the route running, like
• 1:47:30
  what you like the slot versus the outside argument, like the ability the hands.
• 1:47:36
  You know that's gonna get you on the field, That will get you
• 1:47:39
  in the door. But what you can become is where we get into body
• 1:47:43
  types and movement skills, and that's where the coaching comes in. Is like,
• 1:47:46
  Okay, this guy might not have the best production, but this guy
• 1:47:53
  moves in a way that I have not seen before. Yeah, I'm willing
• 1:47:57
  to take a swing on that. Because you can't teach that. Yeah,
• 1:48:00
  And that's the point, like, what can't taking those aspects that can't be
• 1:48:04
  taught and then building upon them with the aspects that can in order to make
• 1:48:09
  a complete or dominant player at any position aside from just wide receiver. But
• 1:48:12
  obviously we're talking about it here, and that's what's so fun about like the
• 1:48:15
  inexact science of what the draft season is because there's so many factors and pieces
• 1:48:19
  that go into it and determine who and what these players become. All Right,
• 1:48:24
  JP, last question for you, which wide receiver or wide receivers do
• 1:48:30
  you think are the best fit for the Buffalo Bills. Again, for everybody
• 1:48:32
  playing at home. This does not include Marvin Harrison, Romo dun Say,
• 1:48:36
  Malik Neighbors, because I think all that they would be a great fit for
• 1:48:39
  anyone, so they do not count. So you could be another you could
• 1:48:43
  have another Day one guy. Potentially it could be a Day two or Day
• 1:48:45
  three. It could be tiered whatever you got who, or it could be
• 1:48:47
  multiple people could be one. Which wide receiver or wide receivers do you think
• 1:48:51
  are the best fit for the Buffalo Bills out of this class? When I
• 1:48:55
  think about the Bills and what they made, especially at receiver, I think
• 1:48:58
  of an outside I think why who can live kind of on the edges and
• 1:49:01
  allow Stefon Diggs to kind of not to say that he's getting older, but
• 1:49:08
  kind of age gracefully into the one beat of his career where it's not like
• 1:49:13
  he's a dominant one A, but he can be he can agent to be
• 1:49:16
  in a one B. You know, that's a that's something you really want
• 1:49:19
  to do. With Stefan Diggs at this point and with the amount of receivers
• 1:49:23
  that kind of can win in the slot, like that's really you need an
• 1:49:28
  outside guy to compliment that you don't. You don't want to build your entire
• 1:49:34
  basketball team out of three and D wings. That's how you get it.
• 1:49:39
  That's how you get the Toronto Raptors. Everybody six seven and can't shoot,
• 1:49:43
  you know, but you also don't want to build it out of only six
• 1:49:46
  four six two six y four guards who can shoot threes. You need you
• 1:49:50
  need a different type. So in my MOP draft I released this morning,
• 1:49:56
  I had the Bills taking Ady Mitchell. I think of the coin essential outside
• 1:50:00
  receiver that can really benefit from being in around Josh Allen is a d Mitchell
• 1:50:06
  because of the ability not only to go get the ball vertically, but the
• 1:50:11
  easy separation when he's when he's really on, when he's involved in the offense.
• 1:50:16
  Because again, it felt a little bit like pick a side and it
• 1:50:19
  was like we salt about earlier with Mitchell, it was very vibe with the
• 1:50:24
  route running yep, but you can't really just vibe in the NFL. So
• 1:50:28
  having him around Josh Allen is gonna be a very huge thing for him to
• 1:50:32
  kind of help him get the consistency. You know, I think Xavier Logette
• 1:50:39
  would be really fun in this offense. Like, like we said, he
• 1:50:43
  gets up and down the field. You know, you get that four to
• 1:50:46
  three nine speed at six' one two twenty seven ridiculous. I get twenty seven
• 1:50:53
  running a four to three nine. Doesn't twenty seven pounds running sub for that
• 1:50:57
  is also imagine like it's not even just about like separating by trying to tackle
• 1:51:02
  that like you're one hundred and ninety pound or two hundred pound corner or safety
• 1:51:06
  or whatever you want to tackle that dude. That sucks. Again, you
• 1:51:11
  think about just with the Xavier Legett, you think of, oh, we
• 1:51:15
  can try and make a j Brown and we can we can go do that,
• 1:51:18
  you know. But I do worry a little bit about the one year
• 1:51:23
  of production. The drops Really, the drops really kind of fell off consistently
• 1:51:29
  from year to year, where like he kind of cut him down and I
• 1:51:31
  believe in a half this past year, but the get would be a really
• 1:51:35
  fun option. I think even though he ran the slower forty, key On
• 1:51:41
  Coleman will be very cool in this offense. I don't think he would be
• 1:51:45
  the vertical portion where I think you'd have, like you kind of have Khalil
• 1:51:49
  Shakir kind of do a little bit of that kind of thing. It'd be
• 1:51:53
  more of a team effort instead of just one guy fully replacing the Gabe Davis
• 1:51:57
  role of being the downfield guy. But key On Coleman can do so much
• 1:52:01
  after the catch and has such strong hands where you kind of give Josh Allen
• 1:52:08
  the this guy is a it's a fifty to fifty ball, but it's more
• 1:52:12
  like sixty forty more seventy thirty in Coleman's favor, and you can say,
• 1:52:17
  okay, I can work with that. But even as we go down the
• 1:52:21
  draft board, you mentioned Javon Baker. I think Javon Baker would make a
• 1:52:25
  lot of sense as kind of a true wide receiver too. In this offense.
• 1:52:30
  I don't think he would bring some of the verticality, but it looked
• 1:52:33
  very different from Gabe. Yes, absolutely, I think it'd be a different
• 1:52:36
  kind of verticality where he is getting separation late and kind of can be kind
• 1:52:41
  of a little bitter after the catch, where Gabe Davis was more, We're
• 1:52:44
  just gonna get down and go like you just get out, You just get
• 1:52:47
  out, you know. But I even think to an extent, I know,
• 1:52:53
  we kind of talked about him a little bit, but I think Troy
• 1:52:57
  Franklin to an extent would work here. Yeah, I mean, stretch the
• 1:53:00
  field and win Vertically, it can happen, just opens up that offense.
• 1:53:04
  You kind of you don't want to be as congested, especially as the Bills
• 1:53:10
  are trying to make their transition from being the deep ball or no ball.
• 1:53:15
  They're trying to figure out how to get to the point where Kansas City is
• 1:53:20
  now in terms of how they run their offense, yes, and getting to
• 1:53:25
  the efficiency portion of it. And you don't want to consistently build a whole
• 1:53:30
  team full of we can get it in six to ten yard ranges because then
• 1:53:36
  you congest the offense a lot. You need somebody who can just get down
• 1:53:40
  the field. And while Troy Franklin doesn't have the best most consistent hands,
• 1:53:45
  he has good ball tracking. Vertically, you know, he can get under
• 1:53:49
  the ball. What happens when he gets under the ball like it's a little
• 1:53:54
  bit of a crap shoot from there, but you think about the verticality that
• 1:53:57
  he brings, you can make that work, especially on the outside, if
• 1:54:01
  you want to play him there. Tes Walker is another guy who fits Bill
• 1:54:05
  of a guy who can be more of a specialist instead of a true all
• 1:54:10
  around receiver. But if you think about what the Bills really need, especially
• 1:54:16
  with guys who can create separation in those sticks to ten yard ranges like they
• 1:54:21
  have now with Kincaid, Stefan Diggs and Khalil Shakir, if they just have
• 1:54:26
  an outside receiver who can consistently be kind of the vertical and the turn the
• 1:54:33
  fifty to fifty into sixty forty, that would be perfect. Which is why
• 1:54:38
  I think ad Mitchell at twenty eight is a very real and would be a
• 1:54:42
  very fun possibility here. I love that I've been Mitchell's gotten like and again
• 1:54:47
  I understand why, but I feel like he's gotten a lot of hot and
• 1:54:50
  cold analysis from a lot of people. And I recognize all the negatives and
• 1:54:55
  the cons that we've talked about in this episode, but I do like that
• 1:54:58
  fit. I do. He's also some I think the interview process is going
• 1:55:02
  to be very important for him, like teams sitting down with him and understanding
• 1:55:05
  like where his mindset is, especially coming out, you know from the interview
• 1:55:09
  with the combine and saying like, oh, I never really run any of
• 1:55:11
  my routes at full speed, Like people are gonna want to know, like
• 1:55:14
  what's his mind? Like how does he approach the game? Is not necessarily
• 1:55:17
  his love for the game, but just how he grinds on the field and
• 1:55:20
  if you can tap into that or there are no red flags. I just
• 1:55:25
  yeah, with the speed, the explosion and the ball winning downfield, it's
• 1:55:30
  just an aspect that would be really fun in this offense. Just you need
• 1:55:34
  somebody who can win one on one in some way, shape or form,
• 1:55:38
  and Mitchell has multiple ways to do that. So I like that. I
• 1:55:42
  answer from you, JP, it's been crazy. We're almost running two hours.
• 1:55:47
  I'm so a little peak behind the curtain. I'm super sick. I've
• 1:55:51
  been sucking down hauls and juice and water this entire time, but we're pushing
• 1:55:56
  two hours. You've been here a while and I'm starting to feel it.
• 1:55:59
  That was also the last question. I think we should wrap up and go
• 1:56:01
  home. But before we do that, tell everybody who we are, where
• 1:56:04
  they can find you, what you do. This has been another marathon performance
• 1:56:09
  from you. Again. You are genuinely one of my favorite people to have
• 1:56:12
  on the show. I love having any excuse and every excuse to talk ball
• 1:56:15
  with you at any point. So the floor is yours. Tell everybody who
• 1:56:18
  you are, what you do, where they can find you all that stuff.
• 1:56:21
  Of course, like I said, I'm Jpacosta. You can find me
• 1:56:26
  at Acosta thirty two underscore JP on Twitter or X whatever you want to call
• 1:56:30
  it, at Jpacosta thirty two on Threads. I am a football writer for
• 1:56:34
  SB Nation. I kind of you know, wherever football is being played,
• 1:56:39
  that's probably there. I have a really cool story coming out this upcoming week
• 1:56:44
  on some combine winners and how their athletic performance translates to what we see on
• 1:56:49
  film and what they can be at the in the NFL. I believe I
• 1:56:54
  will be talking a little bit about Jalen Cocher in there. We'll see,
• 1:56:57
  But just keep following along as I fill out the big board and as we
• 1:57:01
  wrap up this NFL draft process. It feels like it's gone by really quickly,
• 1:57:04
  but then again, we're in the beginning of March. It's still a
• 1:57:08
  whole lot of time left, so let's follow along. See what I'm doing,
• 1:57:11
  see what I'm working on. You do a great job, JP.
• 1:57:14
  I was talking to you offline before we went live, and I just think
• 1:57:17
  you've done such a good job cultivating your voice and your brand. It starts
• 1:57:23
  with I think that foundation of you know, naturally knowing football and the x's
• 1:57:27
  and o's, and being able to break down tape and also having an appreciation
• 1:57:30
  for the advanced metrics and putting it all together like you do, but just
• 1:57:33
  your voice, and then the brand that you found and created in this space
• 1:57:38
  where there's a ton of writers nowadays and podcasters and all this kind of stuff,
• 1:57:43
  and I think you've done a great job providing strong content and written form
• 1:57:46
  and podcast form, but also having like your spin to it and your energy
• 1:57:50
  and uniqueness to it. And you are genuinely one of my favorite follows.
• 1:57:55
  I love everything you do, So again, thank you very much for being
• 1:57:59
  here joining me and taking a large chunk of your Tuesday evening with me sitting
• 1:58:02
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• 1:58:15
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