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The Court No-Show & The Bee-Wax Candles · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Justin McKeon
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  Speaker 1: is a no-show again at his court hearing. And Meghan
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  Speaker 1: Markle's new show airs to mixed reviews. But first, as
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  Speaker 1: Queensland and parts of New South Wales brace for Cyclone Alfred...
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  Speaker 1: Millennials and Gen Zers are taking to TikTok in their
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  Speaker 1: droves to share about how they're preparing for the natural disaster.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a scary time for so many people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we are sending our love to anyone who is affected.
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  Speaker 1: I know that a lot of our listeners will be
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  Speaker 1: caught up in this. I have been absolutely glued to
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  Speaker 1: TikTok because it has been so interesting to see how
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  Speaker 1: this has played out online. I really think that creating
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  Speaker 1: content has become a distraction for a lot of young
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  Speaker 1: people because This is the first cyclone in their lifetime
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  Speaker 1: to cross the South Coast. So there are so many
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  Speaker 1: people who have never experienced a situation like this. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like their way of connecting with other people
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  Speaker 1: about it is to create content. So we are seeing
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  Speaker 1: all of these Get Ready With Me videos for Cyclone Alfred.
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  Speaker 1: And we're also seeing a lot of people posting about
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  Speaker 1: mass panic buying. It's very reminiscent of COVID times, isn't it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because people are stocking up on toilet paper again, as
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  Speaker 1: well as canned foods. There is barely anything on the
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  Speaker 1: shelves at the moment. I saw a Petuta Advocate headline
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  Speaker 1: that said in the Gold Coast, all of the supermarkets
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  Speaker 1: have run out of fake tan and teeth whitening. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: not the best joke right now, but there are so
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  Speaker 1: many influencers on the Gold Coast. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: also why we're seeing so many TikTok videos coming out.
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  Speaker 1: You're joking about teeth whitening and fake tan, Amy, but
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  Speaker 1: people are running out of things like bottled water and torches.
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  Speaker 1: They seem to be out of stock everywhere in these
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  Speaker 1: TikTok videos that I'm seeing. We're also seeing how people
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  Speaker 1: are prepping their houses, which I find really interesting. We
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  Speaker 1: live in Adelaide, so we've never had to prepare for
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  Speaker 1: a cyclone. People are filling up their bathtubs with water
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  Speaker 1: in case they run out. They're also making massive ice
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  Speaker 1: cubes so that they can put them in coolers in
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  Speaker 1: case the power goes out and they can't use their fridge.
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  Speaker 1: And they're also tying down a lot of loose items
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  Speaker 1: in their backyards. I saw someone on TikTok saying that
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  Speaker 1: they almost felt FOMO, that they weren't part of the
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  Speaker 1: prep going on for Cyclone Alpha. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with people? This is actually
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  Speaker 1: an extremely serious incident that's occurring. And people were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I wish I was prepping for this. And I love storms.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's because it's been five years since COVID,
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  Speaker 1: it's coming up to the anniversary of when all of
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  Speaker 1: the shit hit the fan. And we're sort of reminiscing
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  Speaker 1: on that almost with this nostalgia because we're forgetting about
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  Speaker 1: how awful it was. All we're thinking is at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: people are like, bloody hell, I wish I could have
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks at home and oh, wasn't that
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  Speaker 1: funny when everything ran out at the shops? And they're
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  Speaker 1: sort of comparing the two events and thinking, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: wish I could have a couple of days off, but
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  Speaker 1: not facing the reality that people are potentially going to
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  Speaker 1: lose their houses. They're going to get damaged. People are
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  Speaker 1: having to evacuate. There's going to be mass flooding. It's scary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it just shows the power of
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  Speaker 1: social media. People are seeing influencers, for example, like Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Hembrough prepping for it and thinking, oh, I feel a
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  Speaker 1: bit out of the loop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I did enjoy seeing her video. So She put up
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  Speaker 1: a TikTok with her husband, Matt Sikowsky, and they showed
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  Speaker 1: how they were getting ready for Cyclone Alfred. Here's what
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  Speaker 1: she said. We're just getting the house all prepared in
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  Speaker 1: case the power goes out and things like that. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you guys what we get. What's left.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a few things at home already. Never really
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  Speaker 1: been in the middle of a cyclone that's meant to hit.
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  Speaker 2: Right where we are.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently we're on the most destructive side of it too.
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  Speaker 1: The couple also popped into Target and they bought a
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  Speaker 1: massive cooler as well as a lot of drink bottles
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  Speaker 1: and board games. They also stocked up on wine and beer,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is essential if you've got three young
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  Speaker 1: kids stuck in a house when there's a cyclone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and also a lot of baked beans were purchased.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, again, the baked beans surprised me because if
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  Speaker 1: you run out of power, how can you heat the
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  Speaker 1: baked beans up? Are they eating cold baked beans? A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people do eat cold baked beans.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: I used to work with a man and he used
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  Speaker 1: to have for lunch... a can of cold baked beans
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  Speaker 1: with a piece of bread. It was disgusting. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I think he was quite an interesting character, wasn't he? Well,
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  Speaker 1: he was an interesting character, but I mean, in cyclone times,
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  Speaker 1: you have to make do with cold baked beans. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because Tammy's house is on the waterfront and
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  Speaker 1: she explained that luckily they're quite high up because they're
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  Speaker 1: worried about the water rising, obviously, with all the storm.
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  Speaker 1: She said she had to reduce the water level in
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  Speaker 1: her pool, though, to try and avoid it spilling over
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  Speaker 1: and flooding into the house. So She seems to be
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  Speaker 1: following a lot of precautions, which is good to see. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Bynes is another influencer who's on the Gold Coast.
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  Speaker 1: And she received criticism earlier this week because she flew
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  Speaker 1: to Sydney for a work trip with her husband, Steve,
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  Speaker 1: and they left their kids at home. Yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a controversial decision. She's faced a lot
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  Speaker 1: of judgment over it. Ashley shared ahead of the flight
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  Speaker 1: that she was really nervous because she's not a great flyer.
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  Speaker 1: She was worried about the bumpy conditions due to the
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  Speaker 1: storm and the evolving weather event. And Many of her
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  Speaker 1: followers were confused why you would leave your kids home
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  Speaker 1: during such an uncertain time. Yeah, because what if your
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  Speaker 1: flight got cancelled and you're literally stuck in Sydney and
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  Speaker 1: your kids are back at home having to fend for themselves?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously she would have had somebody looking after them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure maybe they're with their grandparents or something. Well,
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  Speaker 1: as she actually had to end up returning home early,
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  Speaker 1: she made an eight and a half hour drive with
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  Speaker 1: her husband back from Sydney because They said they knew
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  Speaker 1: that their flight was going to get cancelled. They were
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  Speaker 1: supposed to fly back into the Gold Coast on Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: which is when the cyclone was supposed to hit. And
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  Speaker 1: in response to the criticism, Ashi ended up sharing a
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  Speaker 1: post from a creator called Her Successful Minds, which opened
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  Speaker 1: up about their feelings about all of the fear and
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  Speaker 1: panic before the cyclone. And I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: really agreed with this sentiment because it outlined that this
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  Speaker 1: creator didn't watch the news and they didn't engage in
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  Speaker 1: low frequency conversations about the cyclone. Which personally, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think is the best advice. When a natural disaster is
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  Speaker 1: about to hit, you need to stay informed. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if this is the journalist coming out at me.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a shit response to say, oh, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: actually been keeping abreast of the situation that's going on
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  Speaker 1: because it's so low vibe. And it's sort of acting
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  Speaker 1: as if you shouldn't be across all of the details.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many experts who are putting out really important
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  Speaker 1: warnings for people to evacuate. You need to stay across
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  Speaker 1: these issues. The post also spoke about, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: you focus on grows. If you feel fear, your body
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  Speaker 1: will respond by searching for more fear. So she was
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  Speaker 1: manifesting the end to this cyclone by not actually taking
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  Speaker 1: responsibility and realizing it was occurring, is that? Well, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like it. The post finished by saying the real
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  Speaker 1: devastation is the panic before anything has even happened. And
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  Speaker 1: I totally understand that there are a lot of media
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  Speaker 1: organizations who do not pump things up and they do
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  Speaker 1: try to make everything seem more dramatic. But in this situation,
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of experts who are weighing in
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  Speaker 1: saying that this is a very serious incident and you
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  Speaker 1: need to be vigilant and actually plan for this natural disaster.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's a bit naive to claim that
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  Speaker 1: you're not focusing on it because you don't want the
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  Speaker 1: bad energy and you don't want to let the fear in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's when accidents happen, isn't it? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's when you get into a situation where perhaps your
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  Speaker 1: kids are at home alone during a huge cycle. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting because when Ashley arrived home She made
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  Speaker 1: a point of pointing out that the weather was so
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  Speaker 1: nice and sunny and they went for a big walk
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  Speaker 1: and she was saying it's very calm. Has she heard
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  Speaker 1: of the calm before the storm? I know. And she
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  Speaker 1: then reiterated that, oh, we didn't go out and buy
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  Speaker 1: any extra food. We should be okay for the next
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  Speaker 1: few days. They're running out of food. Like I'm just
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  Speaker 1: putting it out there. I hope that that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: I feel terrible that they're involved in this. They're the
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  Speaker 1: people that won't have the toilet paper.
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  Speaker 3: No. I'm the executive creative director, chief buyer and lifestyle coordinator.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very important.
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  Speaker 1: I decide the direction.
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  Speaker 3: Just decisions, decisions, decisions.
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  Speaker 1: I say what goes in the story. What will that be, darling?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, very little.
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  Speaker 1: Very little. Former husband of Instagram Justin McKeon is in
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  Speaker 1: hot water again after failing to appear for a second
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  Speaker 1: time during his fraud hearing. Amy, can you tell us more? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: earlier this year Justin made headlines When the Herald Sun
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  Speaker 1: revealed he'd been accused of stealing almost half a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars from his former employer, Rocket Brands, while working as
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  Speaker 1: its head of finance. And Justin's employer claimed he'd been
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  Speaker 1: acting erratically and sleeping in the work toilet for up
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  Speaker 1: to four hours a day. And so these allegations, they
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  Speaker 1: rocked the internet when they emerged because it really gave
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  Speaker 1: us some insight into how not everything you see on
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  Speaker 1: social media is a reality. I think that description of
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  Speaker 1: him falling asleep in the bathroom really painted a picture
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  Speaker 1: of how dire the situation had got. There has been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of interest in this court case, mainly due
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  Speaker 1: to the fact that Justin used to be married to
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  Speaker 1: influencer Olivia Rogers. And there were so many questions left
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  Speaker 1: unanswered when the couple broke up in 2022 after just
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  Speaker 1: eight months of marriage, because they really painted this picture
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  Speaker 1: of this perfect life together, that they were the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: power couple in Melbourne. And they seem pretty squeaky clean.
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  Speaker 1: They're always talking about how they were doing dry July
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  Speaker 1: and about, you know, not drinking alcohol. So this was
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a shock for people. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it gave people more of an insight into maybe
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  Speaker 1: what was going on behind the scenes and potentially why
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  Speaker 1: this marriage ended so soon. Now, according to fresh reports
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  Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail, Justin appears to have abandoned his
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  Speaker 1: defence in this civil case after failing to appear in
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of Victoria on Tuesday. So Justin was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to mount a defense to the allegations, but he
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  Speaker 1: didn't show up for a second time. Now, according to reports,
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  Speaker 1: Justin's no-show was the final insult to the court. So
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  Speaker 1: it's believed his failure to submit a defense is being
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  Speaker 1: viewed as an acceptance of guilt, which is very big.
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  Speaker 1: In November last year, he also failed to appear in court,
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  Speaker 1: but he then declared that he had engaged a rather
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  Speaker 1: large Melbourne legal firm called Gabali and O'Brien. However, the
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  Speaker 1: court learned on Tuesday that the legal firm had actually
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  Speaker 1: dumped Justin a day before the hearing, which left him
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  Speaker 1: to represent himself. So it makes a bit more sense
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  Speaker 1: why he didn't appear. And his non-appearance might have something
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  Speaker 1: to do with the fact he's also moved back to WA.
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  Speaker 1: So He and his girlfriend, former bachelor contestant Tani Leeson,
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  Speaker 1: it appears they're living together and they recently announced they're
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  Speaker 1: expecting a baby. I mean, this must be a very
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  Speaker 1: stressful time for the couple, but it doesn't appear that
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  Speaker 1: way on their socials. They have been posting as normal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they seem to be living quite a glamorous lifestyle still.
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  Speaker 1: They've been appearing at influencer events. They don't seem to
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  Speaker 1: be embarrassed by the situation or at least want to
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  Speaker 1: look publicly embarrassed by it. They're trying to ignore it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just because you've moved to WA though, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't give you an excuse not to fly to Melbourne
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  Speaker 1: for the hearing. No, not at all. And there were
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  Speaker 1: some very serious allegations leveled at Justin during this new
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  Speaker 1: court hearing. So his former employer tendered bank statements to
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  Speaker 1: the court alleging Justin stole more than $ 34, 000 over a
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  Speaker 1: two-day period in August last year. So according to bank records,
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  Speaker 1: at the time of the theft, Justin had just $ 1, 000
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  Speaker 1: in his bank account and it allegedly took him just
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  Speaker 1: a week to spend the money on alcohol, drugs and gambling.
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  Speaker 1: That's really sad. It is very sad. The court also
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  Speaker 1: heard on Tuesday that when Justin was confronted by his
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  Speaker 1: boss in October last year, Justin allegedly admitted to the theft,
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  Speaker 1: telling his boss he had a very serious drug habit
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  Speaker 1: and he'd do his best to repay the money. It
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  Speaker 1: would be so frustrating for Rockets. to be investing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time and energy into this court case and
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  Speaker 1: to have Justin really treat it with not very much
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  Speaker 1: respect and not turn up. Oh, it would be extremely frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: And as we touched on, this is a civil case
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  Speaker 1: so far, but this could turn into criminal charges.
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  Speaker 2: People say like, what do you want to do when
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  Speaker 2: you grow up? What do you want to be like?
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  Speaker 2: How do you envision your life? I envision my life
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  Speaker 2: like how Meghan Markle is living. Okay. I want to
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  Speaker 2: live on a gorgeous countryside property. I want to wake
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  Speaker 2: up in the morning and be like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: a friend is coming over. Let me just casually whip
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  Speaker 2: up a frittata with all ingredients that are from my
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  Speaker 2: garden outside.
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  Speaker 1: Meghan Markle's new show, With Love, premiered on Netflix this
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  Speaker 1: week to mixed reviews. While some critics found joy in
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  Speaker 1: Meghan returning back to her roots, others labeled the show
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  Speaker 1: queasy and exhausting and an exercise in narcissism. Now, for
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  Speaker 1: those who haven't seen it, Amy, can you bring us
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  Speaker 1: up to speed? So this show is an eight-part lifestyle
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  Speaker 1: series hosted by Megan, which is set in a luxury
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  Speaker 1: estate in Montecito, California. And there's been so much discussion
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  Speaker 1: online about the show not actually being filmed at Harry
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  Speaker 1: and Megan's house, which I don't even understand what the
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  Speaker 1: big deal is. This is common practice for TV shows.
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  Speaker 1: Particularly when this couple is so big on their privacy.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many jokes about South Park and we want privacy.
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  Speaker 1: We want privacy. But to be fair, they would look
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  Speaker 1: like complete hypocrites if they said, we really want to
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  Speaker 1: look after our children's privacy. And then they're filming this
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  Speaker 1: huge show in their house. Apparently there's 80 people on
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  Speaker 1: the crew. I'm sure that Megan's house is big enough
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  Speaker 1: to fit them in, but they wouldn't want to disrupt
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  Speaker 1: their family life like that. But it's not even just that.
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  Speaker 1: If you look on more of a local level, Shows
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  Speaker 1: like My Kitchen Rules, they don't even film in some
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  Speaker 1: of the contestants' houses because it might be that the
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  Speaker 1: lighting is not good or the setup of the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work for filming. Now, just getting back to the show,
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  Speaker 1: in each episode, Megan is joined by a different celebrity
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  Speaker 1: friend and she shares personal tips and tricks in the
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  Speaker 1: kitchen as well as talking about her career and life.
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  Speaker 1: And everything about this show is aesthetically pleasing. So from
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  Speaker 1: Megan's wardrobe to the ingredients she uses to the cinematography,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen a lifestyle show like this
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  Speaker 1: since the Martha Stewart show. Yeah, because it's all about
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  Speaker 1: her being the ultimate hostess. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have questioned whether, because obviously Megan is a feminist and
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  Speaker 1: people are saying, oh, how can she be a feminist
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  Speaker 1: and want to be a trad wife? And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be a trad wife. The whole
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  Speaker 1: thing is, it's like, you can still be a feminist.
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  Speaker 1: whilst enjoying hosting and cooking nice meals. I know. I
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  Speaker 1: was one of the people who fell in the camp
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  Speaker 1: that they were really excited for this show to drop
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to watch it instantly. What did you
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  Speaker 1: make of the show? Well, I don't think it is
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  Speaker 1: a surprise to our listeners that we are pretty big
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  Speaker 1: fans of Meghan Markle. So I was really excited to
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  Speaker 1: watch the show. I was a little bit nervous though,
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  Speaker 1: because I'd heard a lot of the criticism about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't want to go in too jaded because
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  Speaker 1: I was worried that I was going to cringe. But
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  Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm one of those people who
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  Speaker 1: I loved watching cooking shows growing up and lifestyle shows.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I love the escapism of it. I
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  Speaker 1: loved Nigella Lawson and being involved in her world and
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  Speaker 1: also shows like Better Homes and Gardens. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely loved every second. One of my favorite things
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  Speaker 1: about the show was the fashion. And I know everyone's like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting to say that when the focus was food. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I love seeing what she was
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  Speaker 1: wearing because she's such a fashion icon. And everyone's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: no one wears that when they're cooking. Of course they don't.
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  Speaker 1: It's an aesthetic fucking cooking show. She was wearing so
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  Speaker 1: much white, though. Like, it was, she had at one
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  Speaker 1: stage this jumper over her shoulders while she was preparing something.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that looks ultra restrictive. but
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  Speaker 1: so chic at the same time. Is that when she
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that her pants were Zara? Yeah, well, she said
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  Speaker 1: that she likes to dress high-low. So as you said, Amy,
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  Speaker 1: she had her Zara pants on, but then she had
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  Speaker 1: a number of other high-end brands on. I'm sure some
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: magazine has already broken down the costs of these outfits somewhere. Well,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I was interested to see how TikTok would react to
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: the show. And unfortunately, I reacted how I thought, quite negatively,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: because the platform was flooded with videos of people mocking Meghan.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So people called it awkward, fake. They also labeled her
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: out of touch for some of the tips and tricks
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: she shared. So for those who haven't seen it, some
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: of those tips included adding sparkling water to scrambled eggs
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: to make them fluffier. I never knew that. What's wrong
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: with that? Transferring peanut butter pretzels from their original packaging
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: to a more aesthetically pleasing bag. I mean, if anything,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that was probably the most relatable thing that she's done.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I found it quite funny though, because these were peanut
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: snacks for her friend, Daniel, who was her makeup artist
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: on Suits. And she said Oh, he absolutely loves peanuts.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm just putting some writing on there to declare
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: that there are peanuts in there because it can be
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: an allergy for some people. Well, that's if he shares
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the peanuts. I mean, that's responsible. I think it was
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: almost an opportunity to show off her beautiful handwriting because
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: shouldn't she have some calligraphy business beforehand? Yeah, that sounds familiar. Well,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: apparently the other unrelatable thing, and I've seen a lot
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: of this online before the show aired, was the ice
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: cubes that she made with flowers inside of them. So
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: her tip was that you shouldn't use tap water because
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: because they'll come out cloudy and that you should either
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: use distilled water or boil your tap water. Oh, I
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. It's not that hard to boil the kettle.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: It's not that hard, but I think people are saying
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: who has time to make ice cubes with flowers in them.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: It's quite funny because I felt like a lot of
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: criticism has also been leveled at how easy some of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the recipes were. For instance, there was, I think in
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: the second episode, it was all about planning for a
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: kid's birthday party. And she showed herself making peanut butter
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and jelly sandwiches, as well as cucumber sandwiches, and then
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: using shapes to cut them out. So she had star
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: ones and heart ones and everyone's like, we all know
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: how to make a fucking sandwich. And it's like, yes,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: but it's the magic of making them appealing for children.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And I actually enjoyed the simpler recipes because I thought,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is something that I could easily do
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: at home. Whereas in the third episode, she had this
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: chef on who was cooking this really intricate Vietnamese recipes.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: She lost me on that episode, I have to say.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I need the simplicity. Yeah. Well, I just
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: find it really unfair, the criticism about her being awkward
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: because she would be second guessing everything she says because
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: she knows that this show is going to be completely
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: torn apart by the media and also viewers. And also, like,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: do we really expect her not to have this air
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: of perfectionism in the show? Because if she produced some
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: stock standard meal and just slopping stuff on plates and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: She would have been criticized instantly for being not the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: perfect royal. I'm sorry, but in what lifestyle program have
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we ever seen someone slobbing around in dirty clothes, making
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: unappealing food? Like no one wants to watch that. People
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: want to buy in to the magic of it. And
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I just think to me, she wasn't even awkward. I thought,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and people calling her a fucking narcissist. I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: thought she came across as pretty down to earth considering
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: she's married a prince. She's been on a hugely popular show.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: One thing that was relatable was she was wearing no
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: shoes in the kitchen, I noticed. I think that that was,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's all the LA grounding and all that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Remember she came out and said that when she had
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Prince William and Kate Middleton over for dinner at her
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and Harry's house, they came really formally dressed and she
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: was wearing jeans and no shoes. I feel like that's
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: her thing. And I think it was definitely a strategic
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: decision to make it look like she was at home,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: even though we know it's not actually her home. Well,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest talking points that's come out of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the show is is whether this type of content is
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: outdated in 2025. Because there's been a lot of comparisons
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: made about just how perfect everything appears on the show
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and the curated aesthetics made popular on Instagram and in
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: blogs in 2016. And a lot of these conversations have
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: stemmed from the fact Megan had a popular lifestyle blog
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: called The Tig. And so she started this in 2014.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: She had to close it down in 2017 once her
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with Prince Harry started getting more serious. So the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: argument is that this type of content appears to be
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: disingenuous because people are saying as a society, we've moved
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: on from the idea that everything needs to be so perfect.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And if you take a look at influencers who are
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: succeeding in 2025, so many of them are very different
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to the influence of 2016. They're very authentic. They have
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a personality. I kind of disagree though. I think in
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: recent times, we've really enjoyed creators like Nara Smith. They've
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: had a huge surge in popularity because yes, it's not
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: relatable her cooking in a ball gown, but we love
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the magic of it all. We love the theater of it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with it in some aspects, especially
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Instagram, because in 2016, it was
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: all like flat lay aesthetic images. And most of the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: influencers garnered a following for being hot and also rich.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: But now because Instagram has moved away from just photos,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: people have to actually put out video content and have
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: more of a personality. And this narrative has of course
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: continued when critiquing her show One of the biggest gripes
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: from critics seems to be this rainbow fruit platter that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: she created. She has been slammed across the media and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: also TikTok for it being something that we'd see on
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Tumblr in the early 2000s. I don't see why everyone
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: has such a problem with this. I thought it was
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: something really cute that you could make for a kid's
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: birthday party. Yeah, exactly. And if you look at the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: content that's popular on TikTok these days, It is people
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: reorganizing their pantries in their lavish mansions. I mean, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: regularly watch aesthetic dinner party content. I remember you spoke
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on the podcast recently about how you watched a woman
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: who made a candelabra out of butter. I mean, would
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you ever do that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But do you enjoy watching it? Fuck yes. Well, it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the more ridiculous that gets the views.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of commentary from people saying, well,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: not everyone has their own beehive like Megan. And we
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: don't have time to make bee wax candles like she
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: did on the show. And there's this rhetoric that's formed
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that this show is only for the elite. No, this
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: show is about escapism. And I, for one, thoroughly enjoy it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, for example, I watch Real Housewives of LA.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Do I relate to any aspect of their life? No.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But do I enjoy watching it? Yes, of course. Personally,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I would love to go to someone's house and make candles.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: That sounds fun to me. We're seeing a lot of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: girls now creating, you know, come paint candles with me
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: at my house. It It's an opportunity to actually get
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: your friends together and do something creative and have a
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: themed night. Well, I think TikToker Cora Lakey put it
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: so well. Let's have a listen to what she said.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: If you don't like Meghan Markle's new show, you're a
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: miserable person. No one had to say it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: And this is coming from someone who has a major
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: chip on her shoulder.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And listen, my life is falling apart. I mean, this
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is literally my setup. Currently, I'm not exactly in a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Santa Barbara estate myself. But what I love about the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: show is that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: It's escapism, okay?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It is bringing cinema back to the food space.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: We haven't had this really since Martha Stewart and Megan
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: is giving it to us and more with Santa Barbara Fabulosity.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't care if it's perfectly curated. It absolutely is.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But give the girl a break. What is she supposed
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to do? I completely agree with this sentiment. This show
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't created for everyone. It was created for people who
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like lifestyle shows, cooking shows, and who want to entertain
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and get some ideas and some inspiration.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Well, we touched on Megan's blog site, The Tig, before,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and you really can see how important this still is
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to Megan because as part of the launch of her show,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: she actually surprised a group of fans who had supported
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: her since her blogging days. So some fans had been
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: invited to a screening of the show. Let's have a
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: listen to what went down.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: We have a big surprise in store for girls who
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: have been following the Tig and everything else for so long.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. This was very Taylor Swift of her.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like this was right out of her playbook.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It was really cute how she surprised everyone and how
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: she immediately went and hugged a lot of her fans. Yeah, well,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Megan shared some photos with some of the girls and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: there were two who had gone to the extreme of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: getting as ever, which is Megan's new brand name, tattooed
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: on their arms. I mean, if that's not commitment. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: saw that and I was hoping that they were like
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: temporary tattoos because Unfortunately, I couldn't actually make out what
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: they said. Well, I was thinking, did they do it
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: at the event? Because they looked really fresh. Yeah, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: thought maybe they were handed their tattoos. They handed out. No,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: they were not. They were real tattoos. Megan posted to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: her Instagram story and she had the right explaining that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: they said as ever. And I'm like, God, that's a
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: sign of a bad tattoo. And you have to explain
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what it says. Well, one of the biggest viral moments
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: of the show was a scene where Megan revealed to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: her friend Mindy Kaling that she no longer goes by
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the last name Markle. Let's have a listen to what
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in the world knows that Meghan
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Markle has eaten Jack.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: In the Box.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: It's so funny too that you keep saying Meghan Markle.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: You know I'm Sussex now. You have kids and you go, no,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I share my name with my children.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: And that feels so, I didn't know how meaningful it
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: would be to me, but it just means so much
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: to go, this is our family name, our little family name.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: This seemed to cause a lot of confusion because the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: royal family's official last name is Mountbatten-Windsor. Yeah, and everyone
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: was like, she doesn't even know her last name. But
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they're actually incorrect because when Harry was growing up at school,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: for instance, and his family were under the Wales family,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: so when Prince Charles was Prince of Wales, his last
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: name was Wales. So he was known as Harry Wales.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And it has evolved throughout his life. So when Meghan
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and Harry got married, they were given the title of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Duke and Duchess of Sussex by Queen Elizabeth in 2018.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So that is officially their last name. I think she
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: knows her last name. I don't think she's getting confused.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I was lapping up any sort of details about Harry
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and I really wish that he was one of the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: guests who came to visit her. Well, he was in
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the last episode. Yeah, well, we didn't get much of him.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But one thing we did discover is that she has
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to undersalt her food constantly because apparently Harry loves a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: bit of salt. What do you mean undersalt? Well, so
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: she said she undersalts everything because she knows that her husband-
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: immediately tosses salt on before even trying the food. So
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I am guessing the food at Buckingham Palace is quite tasteless.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Like he has grown up with shit food, it sounds like. Well,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Prince Harry is a man after my own heart because
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that is literally me. I put salt on everything. Dale's like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: how can you eat so much salt? Now, a lot
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of critics are also focusing on the fact that Meghan
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and Harry received a huge amount of money for this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: deal with Netflix. So they got $ 100 million as an
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: overall deal to produce a number of shows including With Love.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And people are saying, well, was this a good financial
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: decision for Netflix? And there has been a lot of
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: negative press about With Love receiving terrible viewer ratings, but
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: it's all focused on platforms like IMDB and also Rotten Tomatoes,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: which I wouldn't say were the most highbrow publications. Yeah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but again, these are people who don't like her, who
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: don't like lifestyle programs, who don't like cooking programs. Yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and I saw one TikToker saying, I wonder if Netflix
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: is relying on people hate-watching. I did see that the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: show is in Netflix top 10. So obviously a lot
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of people have tuned in, which results in it being
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a success. So when it came out, it was in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the top 10 in the US and the UK. It
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: has dropped out since. But I would think that this
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: was a big success for Netflix because so many people
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: are talking about it in the press. So many people
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: are talking about it online. As you said, A lot
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of people might just be hate watching it, but it's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: bringing people to that streaming service. Well, I mean, clearly
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: it must be financially viable for them considering they've signed
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: on as a partner to sell Megan's products with her
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: on their platform. Yeah, so they have partnered with her
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: as Ever Brand and she has dropped eight products, which
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: include Raspberry Preserves. Now, Sophie, you were saying to me
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: earlier that there's a reason why she calls them preserves
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and not jam. Yeah, I found this so fascinating because, again,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I was on high alert with everyone being so critical
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of her. And I'm like, is she just being a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: wanker by calling them preserves instead of jam? But I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: learned through the show that in order for something to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: be jam, it has to be 50% sugar, 50% fruit.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And we learnt that Megan doesn't really like sweet things.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a huge sweet tooth because she admitted
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that she didn't like honey, even though honey featured a lot.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: What?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: She has her own beehive. Well, she said she likes
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: it now that it's top quality honey. Anyway, so basically
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: she doesn't like it when jam is ultra sweet because
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: she likes to be able to taste the fruit in it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So that is why she calls it preserves. Okay. Okay.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you for clearing that up. Well, we also found out,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: because remember when she sent out all of her jam
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to influencers and she labeled- Wait a sec, didn't she
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: say the other week that jam is her jam? Well, yes. Well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: she still likes jam. Not as catchy as preserve is
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: my preserve. Well, exactly. Well, when Mindy was on the show,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: she pointed out that she was one of the influencers
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to receive Megan's first batch, the first 50 jams that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: she sent out. And remember they were numbered. And Mindy
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I hope you didn't rate people like as in,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on terms of how good a friend they are, because
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I think she received a number in the forties and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Megan was like, no, no, no. I didn't even think
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: about that in saying that though. I did give my
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: mom number one. So this is like her MySpace top friends. Yeah. Well, again,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: back to the early two thousands.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So the other products she's got on her website are
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: three types of herbal tea, honey, crepe mix, shortbread cookie mix,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: as well as edible flowers, So Sophie, if you do
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: want to make the flour ice cubes at home, you can.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I was interested that there was nowhere that you could
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: download the recipes. I mean, you could have done the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: old school thing and had your notebook out and written
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: them down on the show. But I thought it would
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: have been really lucrative for Netflix or Megan to have
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: set up a website which listed all of the recipes.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's coming because even with these products,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: when I went on the website, I was interested to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: see how much she would be charging for each product.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And there are no prices listed. And on the website,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it says available spring 2025. That's what's bizarre. You think
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you want to strike while the iron is hot and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: there's a call to action.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it prompts you to sign up for a mailing
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: list and apparently you'll get sent out an email when
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it available. And it's actually not officially spring in the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: US yet. So spring is officially on the 20th of March.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't seem like we have to wait long.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But as you said, if I was Netflix, I would
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: want those products out right now. I wonder if they
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: haven't put them out purposely Because perhaps they're expensive and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: they think that the bad publicity will overshadow the show
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, but no one's going to be interested
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in the products once they've gone through all eight episodes.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: They'll forget about it. And what's more bizarre is this
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: show was held off until March. It was supposed to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: air at the end of January, but because of the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: LA fires- they didn't put it out. So they've had
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: extra time to make sure that everything is available. It's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a very strange move. Maybe they've got Megan in the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: kitchen trying to pump out all the preserves. Well, that's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. If you have missed
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: our Friday debrief, because we chose to add in a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: few more influencer topics this week, make sure you are
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: subscribed to Outspoken Plus because we have done some big
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: debriefs in recent episodes. Oh, we had a massive debrief
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: on Thursday's show. I feel like it was quite cathartic
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: for us, Amy. People will have noticed that Kate has
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: been absent this week from the podcast. That isn't over
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: any drama relating to the carpet clean, which I shall
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: not be mentioning going forward. That is a joke. It
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  Speaker 1: is because her son, Jack, he's had his first cold.
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  Speaker 1: So she has been staying away because Amy and I
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  Speaker 1: have a very low immune system at the moment. So
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  Speaker 1: So it's been sad not having her on. Hopefully she'll
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  Speaker 1: be back next week. I'm pretty sure she will be.
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  Speaker 1: She is dying to be involved in the episodes. Yeah, actually,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good point. Our episode will be dropping on Wednesday, though,
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  Speaker 1: because here in Adelaide it's a public holiday on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it a public holiday everywhere? No, it's Adelaide Cup Day. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was Labor Day for some reason. I
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  Speaker 1: think it might be Labor Day for some of the
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  Speaker 1: other states, though, but not for everybody. Yes, so keep
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  Speaker 1: an eye out for that episode dropping on Wednesday. Thank
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