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Bombshell: Suzanne Morphew husband hotel room reeks of chlorine the day she goes missing. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful wife and mother
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Speaker 1: seemingly goes missing on Mother's Day. You may ask why
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Speaker 1: was she all alone? That's a good question, but what
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Speaker 1: became off Susanne Morphew or at least her body in
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Speaker 1: the last hours a stunning development, Imanancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. For those of
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Speaker 1: you just learning about this Susanne Warphew case, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. And she went biking on Sunday. They're
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Speaker 1: in the mountains about twenty miles west of Salida, Trevor,
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Speaker 1: and and then there was nothing from her. Tell us
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Speaker 1: what you do know, Alan, I'm willing to confirm that
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Speaker 1: the bike was found on Sunday evening. The bike was
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Speaker 1: found on Satain Sunday evening, the night that she disappeared,
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Speaker 1: and for more information on the bike for its condition,
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Speaker 1: I would encourage you and everyone else to contact the
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Speaker 1: Chaffey County Sheriff's Department. Yeah, it has to be disconcerting
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Speaker 1: to know the bike has found. Sheriff has said he
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Speaker 1: does not believe that this was an animal and so
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Speaker 1: all of Colorado has really ought to be aware that
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Speaker 1: there is a potential, den Trevor, that she might be
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Speaker 1: somewhere well out of the county for all we know,
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Speaker 1: which is why we need to make sure that we're
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Speaker 1: aware of the situation. The sheriff has repeatedly stated that
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Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew, who goes missing on Mother's Day, was not
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Speaker 1: taken by an animal such as a mountain lion. There
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Speaker 1: was no sign she was dragged away, and there was
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Speaker 1: no sign of a struggle, and there is no sign
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Speaker 1: of her body. Typically when an animal attacks, the body
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Speaker 1: is not that far away from the crime scene. Not
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Speaker 1: the case here, but in the last hours a stunning
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Speaker 1: development as we learn what the coworker of Susanne's husband
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Speaker 1: has to say about those critical hours when Susanne goes missing.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to put it together
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Speaker 1: and break it back down. Kirk Nermy you know his
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Speaker 1: name well. He was the defense attorney, lead defense attorney
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Speaker 1: and the Jodi Arius murder trial and author of Trapped
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Speaker 1: with miss Arius Parts two and three. My final words,
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Speaker 1: I certainly hope not also with me. Renowned psychiatrist doctor
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Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe ellis psychologist at JO professor, Columbia University. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com. Donald
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Speaker 1: Schweitzer another famous name joining us former la detective, criminal
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Speaker 1: fence attorney, former prosecutor at Pasadena Lawoffice dot com. Welcome Donald,
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Speaker 1: but first to Lauren Sharf, Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs
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Speaker 1: Knees reporter on the case from the beginning. Lauren, we
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Speaker 1: just heard from our friends at CBS for Denver. But Lauren,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Erica Gonzalez KdV Our, Fox thirty one.
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Speaker 1: A coworker Suzanne's husband came forward with this new information
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Speaker 1: about the hotel room in Broomfield, Jeff Puckets said, and
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Speaker 1: Barrymorephy told him to go to Denver. However, Puckets says
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Speaker 1: that he didn't see more for you because he had
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Speaker 1: already left due to a family emergency. A Pucket told
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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail that when he got into the Holiday
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Speaker 1: Inn on May tenth, the room smelled like chlorine and
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Speaker 1: it was scattered with wet towels. He also said that
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Speaker 1: he found a pile of mail inside of that room,
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Speaker 1: including a letter about property insurance, which he says he
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Speaker 1: later turned over to the FBI. A manager at the
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Speaker 1: hotel confirmed they do not use chlorine to clean guest
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Speaker 1: rooms and have handed security footage over to police. Additionally,
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Speaker 1: the hotel told her news partner the pool was also
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Speaker 1: closed because of COPD nineteen. Susan Morphu was a protty
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Speaker 1: missing back on Mother's Day. Wow, that is a lot
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Speaker 1: of information. And having prosecuted felonies including cleanups attempt to
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Speaker 1: cleanups of crime scenes for many, many years, chlorine bleach
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Speaker 1: or bleach itself cannot break down deox ry bony clayic
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Speaker 1: acid DNA, right, it does not get rid of evidence
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Speaker 1: the way it's portrayed to, for instance on TV movies. So,
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Speaker 1: first to you, Lauren Sharft, Fox twenty one Colorado Springs
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Speaker 1: News reporter on the case. From the get go, Lauren,
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Speaker 1: A lot happening now. Who is this coworker of Susan
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphue's husband, who is he? So, Nancy, Jeffrey Tucket
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Speaker 1: is a contractor for Barry, And this is the only
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Speaker 1: job that Barry had hired Jeffrey Pucket for And it
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Speaker 1: was just he asked him the day before Mother's Day
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Speaker 1: to help him with this job. And even Jeffrey Buckett
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Speaker 1: called him to make sure he still needed him to
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Speaker 1: come Sunday around noon. Is when he called him on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: And stop, stop, I've got to digest what you're you're
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Speaker 1: just telling me because I've learned. Have you not learned this?
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Speaker 1: Donald Schweitzer, former detective, former prosecutor, now defense attorney, High
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Speaker 1: profile LA detective and now defense attorney Donald Schweitzer, Every
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Speaker 1: fact matters. And what I'm just hearing Laurence Sharf say
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Speaker 1: from Fox twenty one Colorado is that Suzanne Morpheu's husband
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Speaker 1: calls a contractor he doesn't know, has never worked with
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Speaker 1: him before. Okay, that's what I mean, hasn't worked with
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Speaker 1: him before on a Saturday and asks him to travel
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Speaker 1: to Denver the following day, which is Mother's Day, to
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Speaker 1: help him on a job. You don't see a problem
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Speaker 1: with that, Schwitzer. I see it as a significant piece
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Speaker 1: of the puzzle. Nancy. I think that there's a you know,
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Speaker 1: as a detective, what you're going to do is is
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Speaker 1: look at all the things that don't make sense and
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Speaker 1: then start looking at you know, if a work true,
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Speaker 1: you know, what would the answers be. You know, for example,
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Speaker 1: you know is he using uh, you know, chlorine as
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Speaker 1: a landscaper to build a wall. You know you would
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Speaker 1: go out there and ask people, you know, those common
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Speaker 1: sense questions. Schreier. Look, you're a great trial lawyer, there's
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. You're a great detective. But why
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Speaker 1: would it be using chlorine for a work scene in
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Speaker 1: his hotel room? And again, the husband is not a suspect.
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Speaker 1: He has not even been named a person of interest.
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Speaker 1: Although practically speaking, cops always whenever a woman goes missing
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Speaker 1: or is killed, you look at the husband, the ex husband,
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the ex lover, the stalker, the admirer, because
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Speaker 1: statistically that is where you will find the purp. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean mary more for you is the perp or
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Speaker 1: that there is a purp. Let's just be clear. But
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Speaker 1: based on this new evidence, back to you, Donald Schweitzer.
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Speaker 1: So you say, maybe he's using chlorine at the work site,
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Speaker 1: but this is his hotel room. Yeah, but you know
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Speaker 1: he's at the hotel room because he's supposedly working, you know,
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Speaker 1: out there. I mean, that's why he's not at home
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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. But you know you asked the question
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Speaker 1: about you know, why is he contacting people he doesn't know.
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Speaker 1: Did you work on the weekend? Those are the type
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Speaker 1: of facts that you lead you to start at least
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Speaker 1: looking at in a direction. In the direction of course,
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Speaker 1: is at Mary. Why is he not there on Mother's Day?
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Speaker 1: Why is he contacting people that he doesn't really know
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Speaker 1: to help do some work and remotely, you know? And
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense, And it would be something
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Speaker 1: I would certainly keep in the back of my pocket
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Speaker 1: as I was investigating this case. And again, Donald Schweitzer,
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Speaker 1: we know more if he has not been named a suspect.
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Speaker 1: But in order to find the real purp, you have
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Speaker 1: to get past the husband first. I hear Lauren Sharf
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Speaker 1: jumping in Fox twenty one. Go ahead, Lauren, I was
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Speaker 1: just gonna say that Jeffrey Puckett and Barry knew each
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Speaker 1: other from another company, But this is the first time
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Speaker 1: that he had asked him to do a job for her.
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Speaker 1: So am I correct in the sense as I stated
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Speaker 1: they had never worked together. He had never called on
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Speaker 1: him for a job before. Is that correct, Lauren? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: I would say that they have worked together on a
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Speaker 1: different project for a different company, but never have they
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Speaker 1: worked He has never worked for Barry. Okay, if that
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Speaker 1: makes sense. Yes, I believe we've nailed that down fairly well. Lauren.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand. You call a guy on Saturday
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Speaker 1: asking him to go out of town on Mother's Day,
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Speaker 1: Lauren shar Fox twenty one, Colorado. So the job did
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Speaker 1: not start a hill Monday, Yes, okay, So why would
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Speaker 1: you have to leave the day before? So when I
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Speaker 1: spoke with Barry, you know, he told me that he
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Speaker 1: wanted to get out there to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: site was ready and pressed before his guys got off
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Speaker 1: got out there. So this Jeffrey Puckett, he gets out
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Speaker 1: there Sunday evening and um, you know, he gets into
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Speaker 1: the hotel room that Barry had gotten for him, you know,
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Speaker 1: and it just he study it reeks of chlorine and
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Speaker 1: he never saw Barry clime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the disappearance of Suzanne Morphew and
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Speaker 1: in the last hours stunning developments from the husband's co worker.
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Speaker 1: And when I say coworker, I mean that this guy,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey PuF was called that Saturday before Suzanne goes missing
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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day and asked to go out of town
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Speaker 1: on mother's day to work a job with the husband,
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Speaker 1: Barry Moore. Few he had never asked Pucket to work
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Speaker 1: for him on a job before, although they knew each
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Speaker 1: other from a previous work site. So Lauren Sharf back
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Speaker 1: to the worksite before I get to the chlorine, let's
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Speaker 1: finish discussing what we learned about the work site. When
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Speaker 1: jeff Pucket got to the work site, I assume he
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Speaker 1: went to go look at the work site. Was there
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Speaker 1: any equipment there? That's a good question, And I asked
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Speaker 1: that same question to the contractor, Jeffrey Puckett. He said,
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Speaker 1: you know, as far as machinery wise, there was nothing.
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Speaker 1: You know. He also talked about how there wasn't really
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Speaker 1: dirt to do the job as well, and so because
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Speaker 1: there wasn't the equipment the tools that he needed to
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Speaker 1: do the job, he got upset and he decided, you know,
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Speaker 1: what the heck, I'm just gonna leave. So he left
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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Okay, let me understand something. What was the job?
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Speaker 1: What was Puckett supposed to be doing there? So they
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Speaker 1: were fixing a wall in Broomfield that I guess his
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Speaker 1: guys buries guys from previously a year ago messed up
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't straight. So they had to fix the
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Speaker 1: retaining wall to like an interstate. Oh my, that's a
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Speaker 1: big job. Oh oh oh gosh. Okay, So Kurt Nermi,
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Speaker 1: this is the defense attorney for Jody Arius and author
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Speaker 1: Kurt Nermi. Right there. Have you ever driven along the interstate?
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Speaker 1: For Pete's sakere in California? I mean, you're always on
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Speaker 1: the interstate when you are doing work on a retainer
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Speaker 1: wall at the interstate that calls for a lot of
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Speaker 1: dirt and a lot of equipment, and it will sit
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Speaker 1: over there and you drive past it for weeks and
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Speaker 1: then suddenly one day it's gone. What do you make
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Speaker 1: of this. There's no equipment, there's no dirt, Nancy. It
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Speaker 1: goes to what Donald said before. You know, something's not
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Speaker 1: making sense, not adding up. And we look at this
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Speaker 1: case overall, we start thinking about the prospects of their
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Speaker 1: being different perspective crime scenes. Right, we have the hotel room,
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Speaker 1: we have this construction site, and remember, Nancy, at this
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Speaker 1: construction site, a woman was awoken, you know, in the
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Speaker 1: late night on that weekend with some construction noise near
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Speaker 1: this area. There would be an unusual timing, and we
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Speaker 1: also have, of course, the area where the bike was tossed.
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Speaker 1: So these are the areas that investigators are going to
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Speaker 1: look at it. And it's certainly suspicious, especially when we
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Speaker 1: think about this woman being woken up in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night with construction noise. Now, as my understanding,
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Speaker 1: Laurence Sharff, the woman up woken up in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night by Morphe's construction equipment is at a
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Speaker 1: different location than where Jeff Puckett was called to in Denver.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes, ma'am, that's in slide Up, which
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Speaker 1: I've only like fifteen minutes from the Morphe House. Got it.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Pucket getting called by
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Speaker 1: Morphe's husband to an out of town job site. When
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Speaker 1: he gets to the job site, there's no crew, there's
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Speaker 1: no dirt, there's no equipment, and I take it there's
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Speaker 1: no supplies, correct, there's two other workers. But yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: who were the two other workers? It was a genterleman
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Speaker 1: named Cassidy and a woman named Morgan. I mean, why
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Speaker 1: were they there? What were they supposed to be doing?
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Speaker 1: Did morph you call them too? That's a good question.
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Speaker 1: I am waiting to talk to them because I'm curious.
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Speaker 1: They were there too, but there was nothing for them
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Speaker 1: to do. I mean, what was Pucket's role. Was he
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Speaker 1: supposed to just go analyze it and assess what needed
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Speaker 1: to be done, or was he supposed to actually do
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Speaker 1: something without any equipment? I mean, he was so frustrated,
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Speaker 1: you know what the situation was he I mean, he
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Speaker 1: was really upset that he couldn't do what he was
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Speaker 1: supposed to do because he didn't have equipment to do it. Interesting,
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Speaker 1: So he calls Donald Schweitzer. He calls this guy out
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Speaker 1: of town on Mother's Day. The guy gets there, I assume,
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Speaker 1: leaving his family, spends the night, waits two days, morph
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Speaker 1: you never shows up. There's no equipment, and there's no dirt.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Nancy? I think that
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Speaker 1: Pucket's reaction is key to everything. If I was encountered
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Speaker 1: by that type of reaction, I'd want to find out,
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Speaker 1: you know, normally when he goes to jobs like that,
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Speaker 1: does this ever happen? How often has this ever happened?
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Speaker 1: Where he shows up, you know, from a call from
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Speaker 1: somebody like Barry and there's nothing to do. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's a significant piece of evidence. I think you know,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Donald, And you know how this
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Speaker 1: is going to be spun out. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: argued by somebody somewhere that more fore, you set all
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Speaker 1: this up to create some sort of an alibi, a
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Speaker 1: construction site alibi. See where I'm going with a Schweizer. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: And you wouldn't be crazy for arguing that. So how
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Speaker 1: could this be spun into an argument? Kurtn Army? An
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Speaker 1: argument for what Nancy his alibi? Yes, you know it's
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Speaker 1: as disjointed as it is. He's going to sit there
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Speaker 1: and try to claim he was somewhere else. He has
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Speaker 1: tried to set himself up. And actually the prosecution will
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Speaker 1: probably do this just as well as he did his
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Speaker 1: efforts to try to set up these alibis. The state's
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Speaker 1: gonna argue as evidence of his guilt, And the defense
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Speaker 1: attorney is going to sit there and say these alibis
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Speaker 1: are legit. The fact that these guys are upset with
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Speaker 1: my work, it's just all all their angst and I'm
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Speaker 1: completely this is what you're right, You're onto it. This
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Speaker 1: is what the defense would argue if this were a trial,
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Speaker 1: The defense would say it is a legitimate job. Morphu
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Speaker 1: had to leave because his wife went missing. That's why
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Speaker 1: he wasn't there. He just simply didn't have the dirt
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Speaker 1: or the equipment. Yet that's all that there was. This
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Speaker 1: is not a fake alibi. But when jeff Pucket gets there,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, there's nobody there. Why was Pucket? They as
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, coworker, Why is puckett ian morphuge room? Why
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Speaker 1: did he go in morphuge room? Yeah, so Jeffrey Puckett
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Speaker 1: told me that Barry got this room for him, and
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Speaker 1: when he goes into the hotel room, he instantly smells,
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Speaker 1: you know, chlorine. And he also the next night, the
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Speaker 1: next morning, excuse me, he says he saw a piece
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Speaker 1: of mail in the trash and wanted to know like
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Speaker 1: what it was, and it was addressed to Bear and
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Speaker 1: it had something to do with property insurance. And you know,
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Speaker 1: he also saw the towels on the ground, and he
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Speaker 1: told me that it really looks like, you know, Barry
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Speaker 1: had came in there, showered, uh, you know, laid on
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Speaker 1: the bed for a few minutes or whatever, and then
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Speaker 1: just left washed up and then just left. So let
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Speaker 1: me understand this, Laurence Sharp, This is a room that
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Speaker 1: barrymore Few gets for the co worker Jeff Pucket, not
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Speaker 1: for himself. And then Puckett gets there and the room
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Speaker 1: has wet towels all over everything, and it reeks of chlorine.
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Speaker 1: Somebody's been on the bed, and there's a more Few
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Speaker 1: letter of the trash. Can are you sure that Jeff
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Speaker 1: Puckett said this room was for him? Jeff Pucket, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he told me that there was even his name on
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Speaker 1: the door. Well, did barrymoreph you ever have a room
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Speaker 1: of his own? Not that I'm I know of crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: the unusual disappearance of a mom, a wife, Susanne Maurphew.
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Speaker 1: She goes missing on Mother's Day, which to me is important.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people may not think it's important, but
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Speaker 1: I guarantee women on the jury will think it's important.
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Speaker 1: She's all alone on Mother's Day. Her husband is in Denver.
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Speaker 1: I think that's about one hundred and eighty miles away
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Speaker 1: from where they are near Salida. And now, from what
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Speaker 1: we understand, the husband believes his wife was taken by
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Speaker 1: animals off a bike route. But what we are learning
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Speaker 1: in the last hours from a co worker, Barry Morphy's
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Speaker 1: just very unusual. Let's hear Cut twenty seven plays Erica Gonzalez,
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Speaker 1: KdV or Fox thirty one. A co worker, Suzanne's husband
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Speaker 1: came forward with this new information about the hotel room
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Speaker 1: in Broomfield. Jeff Pucket said, and barrymoreph you told him
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Speaker 1: to go to Denver. However, Pucket says that he didn't
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Speaker 1: see moreph you because he had already left due to
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Speaker 1: a family emergency. A Pucket told The Daily Mail that
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Speaker 1: when he got into the Holiday Inn on May tenth,
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Speaker 1: the room smelled like chlorine and it was scattered with
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Speaker 1: wet towels. He also said that he found a pile
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Speaker 1: of mail inside of that room, including a letter about
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Speaker 1: property insurance, which he says he later turned over to
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Speaker 1: the FBI. A manager at the hotel confirmed they do
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Speaker 1: not use chlorine to clean guest rooms and have handed
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Speaker 1: security footage over to police. Additionally, the hotel told her
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Speaker 1: news partner the pool was also closed because of COPD nineteen.
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Speaker 1: So Zen Morphy was a pretty missing back on Mother's Day.
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Speaker 1: Interesting the pool was closed at the rim rate of chlorine.
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people believed that he cleaned
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Speaker 1: a crime scene with chlorine or chlorine bleache. You can't.
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Speaker 1: I just had another thought, Lauren Sharf, And I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: circle back to you, doctor be Joffe Ellis Laurence Sharf
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Speaker 1: joining me Fox Tream One Colorado on the case from
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Speaker 1: the get go. Let me understand something so the co
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Speaker 1: worker gets there. When on Sunday Mother's Day it was
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Speaker 1: Sunday evening? He said it was after six o'clock. Do
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Speaker 1: you think it was before seven? Um? That's what he
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Speaker 1: didn't nail down at the exact time. He just really
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Speaker 1: kind of just meet it general as far as Sunday
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Speaker 1: even Okay, So what I'm learning is barrymoreph You never
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Speaker 1: had a room for himself. Is that right that we
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Speaker 1: know of? Yeah? Huh. So what was he going to
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Speaker 1: sleep in the bed with Pucket? I hope it was
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Speaker 1: a double bed. That's some kind of work travel accommodations
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Speaker 1: I want to walk into. So, okay, you're telling me
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Speaker 1: that Moreph you there's no evidence Moreph you had his
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Speaker 1: own room, but that he had been using pucket room.
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Speaker 1: Now the timing is really important. I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, Because when was it everybody started realizing that
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Speaker 1: Suzanne was gone. So the nine one one this patch
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Speaker 1: called to chief the County Sheriff's office was just before
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Speaker 1: six pm. And who made the call of the neighbor?
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Speaker 1: That was what the original first press release said that, yes,
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Speaker 1: a neighbor did call when Puckett gets there at sometimes
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Speaker 1: after six, and the night one one call wasn't made
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Speaker 1: until around six. How did Morphew know there was a
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Speaker 1: family emergency, Lauren Sharf? Good question, Nancy, Can you just
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Speaker 1: very quickly run through the timeline with me, because maybe
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Speaker 1: I've got my wires crossed. But if she wasn't reported
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Speaker 1: missing until around six and Puckett gets there to eight
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Speaker 1: Morphew around six Morphew was already gone because of a
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Speaker 1: family emergency, how did he know there was a family
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Speaker 1: emergency to leave for Laurence Sharf, go go through the
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Speaker 1: timeline with me real quick. Yeah. So it sounds like
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Speaker 1: Barry and his daughters worked, you know, wondering trying to
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Speaker 1: get a hold of Susanne Morphew, and they couldn't. They
22:24
Speaker 1: tried texting, they tried calling, couldn't get through it to
22:27
Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew. And so that's when they, you know, sounded
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Speaker 1: the alarms and wanted to get a neighbor to go
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Speaker 1: check out, you know, the house to see if she
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Speaker 1: was around. The neighbors supposedly went out there, couldn't find
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Speaker 1: Susanne and the home looked at that there was two
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Speaker 1: vehicles in the garage and there was a missing bike,
22:48
Speaker 1: and that's when the whole um, you know, this patch
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Speaker 1: call was made. Now you know, I may have this
22:54
Speaker 1: bass Ackwards. Did Barry Morphew go to Denver on Saturday night?
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Speaker 1: He told me that. He He told me that he
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Speaker 1: woke up around five am and left and went to
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Speaker 1: Denver area to do this job. Prep Barry Morphy, Barrymorephy, Barrymoreph,
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Speaker 1: you told me this. Yeah, so he was at home
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Speaker 1: on Saturday night, That's what he told me. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: he doesn't leave until Sunday morning around five am. The
23:23
Speaker 1: timing of this is very very unusual. I don't see
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Speaker 1: how it works. What about you, kirk Nermy? How does
23:29
Speaker 1: the timing work? If she wasn't reported missing until six
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Speaker 1: pm and the coworker gets to Denver around six pm
23:37
Speaker 1: or after six pm, how is he already gone? How
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Speaker 1: did he know she was missing. I think we're going
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Speaker 1: to have to and investigators are probably looking at the
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Speaker 1: cell phone records, the data, the calls, because we're going
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Speaker 1: to need to answer your questions. We're going to need
23:51
Speaker 1: to have some more precision on the exact minutes. It
23:55
Speaker 1: can just be around this time around that You're right,
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Speaker 1: they're going to take a look at this piffics of
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Speaker 1: it to say, Okay, this is when he reacted, this
24:04
Speaker 1: is when he left, and to you psychologists joining me,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis Adjunct Professor, Columbia, Doctor Debbie, And
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Speaker 1: it may be a matter as innocent as the daughters
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Speaker 1: calling dad on a cell going we can't find mom
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Speaker 1: and he jumps in his truck and takes off, leaving
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Speaker 1: them to make sure nine on one is called. Doesn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily make sense to me that he didn't call nine
24:32
Speaker 1: one one, but it may have happened that way. Yes,
24:35
Speaker 1: A very well may. As you mentioned, I'm a psychologist,
24:39
Speaker 1: I'm not a detective, but so far listening, I haven't
24:44
Speaker 1: myself heard evidence that's really suspicious. The business with the chloring.
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Speaker 1: You know, some people are very obsessive since COVID and
24:53
Speaker 1: before and he may have mistakenly or not thought that
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Speaker 1: if he was even going to spend a little bit
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Speaker 1: of time in the room, using the shower, lying on
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Speaker 1: the bed. Maybe here and again I'm totally speculating I
25:09
Speaker 1: wanted to thoroughly clean the room in that way. And
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Speaker 1: in terms of not being around for Mother's Day or
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Speaker 1: taking on a job for Mother's Day, it would be
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Speaker 1: really useful, I think to find out whether in the
25:24
Speaker 1: past it was important for him to be with his
25:28
Speaker 1: family on occasions, if there was a job opportunity, was
25:32
Speaker 1: earning money more important than celebrating occasions. So I think
25:38
Speaker 1: these are important questions as a lay person, not a detective,
25:42
Speaker 1: that I would want to know the answers to. You
25:44
Speaker 1: know what you brought up a really good point, doctor Debby.
25:48
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to nail be any more for you.
25:50
Speaker 1: In fact, I hope he has nothing to do with this.
25:52
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what happened to Suzanne, and
25:55
Speaker 1: whenever I see something it seems unusual or an inconsistency,
25:59
Speaker 1: I want to investigate it. I always think of Mark Class.
26:03
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all familiar with him. They found out
26:05
Speaker 1: of class kids. His daughter Polly went missing from her
26:08
Speaker 1: own home at a sleepover with her and her little girlfriends.
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Speaker 1: The first thing the cops did was beat down his door.
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Speaker 1: He and his wife were divorced at the time. Because
26:20
Speaker 1: the first place you look is the DAP, right, he
26:23
Speaker 1: immediately said, take my DNA, take my fingerprints. I've been here.
26:26
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you want. You have to clear the
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Speaker 1: immediate family before you can find the real purp. So
26:35
Speaker 1: this is SOOP standard operating procedure crime stories. With Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: we are heading straight back into our investigation in the
26:56
Speaker 1: disappearance of Susanne more Few. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: is it KdV our Fox thirty one. What happened to
27:04
Speaker 1: Susanne more Few? It's a question still being asked. Nearly
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Speaker 1: four months after the mother vanished, she could light up
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Speaker 1: a room with her smile, Just a beautiful human being.
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Speaker 1: The forty nine year old reportedly left her Chaffee County
27:16
Speaker 1: home to enjoy a bike ride. She never returned. Susanne
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Speaker 1: would never leave her home or her daughters. There's just
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Speaker 1: no way. Susanne's older brother, Andrew Morman, suspects foul play.
27:26
Speaker 1: He spoke to our affiliate in Indiana during a vigil
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Speaker 1: for Susanne on Saturday. He used the event to drum
27:32
Speaker 1: up support to find her. The investigators have asked us
27:35
Speaker 1: to stay reasonably quiet, and we have. I'm past that point. Now.
27:39
Speaker 1: It's time to get this out in the media and
27:42
Speaker 1: get some volunteers together and march on Salida, Colorado and
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Speaker 1: find my little sister. Andrew has already been to the
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Speaker 1: Salida area, showing up the day after Susanne was reported missing.
27:54
Speaker 1: I woke up that morning, I looked out the window
27:56
Speaker 1: of the place I was staying and I just cried
27:58
Speaker 1: because the mountains were so big and it was like
28:01
Speaker 1: looking Bernedo in a haystack. That's gotta be overwhelming when
28:05
Speaker 1: you were looking for one person in rugged train of
28:09
Speaker 1: that nature. Guys, I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at Thoughts twenty one right now. The
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Speaker 1: reasons he's been silent in the days and months following
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Speaker 1: Suzanne's disappearance is senior pointing. I don't know why the
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Speaker 1: husband doesn't speak out right. Any info is good info
28:28
Speaker 1: if you're trying to find out what happened to the
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Speaker 1: mother of your children, and the unfair perception that he's
28:34
Speaker 1: done something wrong. Juliet Fitzgibbons, an avid biker, found herself
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Speaker 1: riding in the same area where Suzanne's bike was allegedly recovered,
28:43
Speaker 1: and I actually missed singing the ribbon. I wish there
28:45
Speaker 1: was a bigger kind of memorial for her hair. Others.
28:49
Speaker 1: Someone had knocked on the window and it was Verry
28:52
Speaker 1: more fuse questioning his search method. He witched right down
28:55
Speaker 1: like a description of maybe what she was wearing. Tiffany Buala,
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Speaker 1: a manager at ponchamr It, says Barry came to the
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Speaker 1: store on May twelfth with a brief note. Really thought
29:04
Speaker 1: it was weird because he didn't explain whe her color,
29:07
Speaker 1: her eyes were, her hair, or anything about her, you know,
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Speaker 1: like how Tashi was or anything. At that time, Barry
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Speaker 1: had not spoken publicly at all. You know. I'm trying
29:18
Speaker 1: to make sense of everything. To our friend Lauren Sharf
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Speaker 1: joining us Fox twenty one Colorado Springs, Lauren, what is
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew doing now? He says, quote, I have people,
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Speaker 1: a private people working for him on the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: his wife Suzanne. What do you know about that? I mean,
29:39
Speaker 1: I tried to talk to Barry yesterday, and you know,
29:43
Speaker 1: I've been wondering the same thing. He did tell me
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Speaker 1: a week or so ago when I did speak with
29:49
Speaker 1: him on the phone, that he says he's, you know,
29:51
Speaker 1: searching for her every single day. And I was searching
29:55
Speaker 1: for him yesterday to try to talk with him, and
29:58
Speaker 1: I couldn't find him until last night. So as far
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Speaker 1: as him searching, that's what I wanted to ask him.
30:05
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, you know, this upcoming large search
30:09
Speaker 1: that you know, his brother in law's planning. I wanted
30:12
Speaker 1: to know if he was going to participate in. And
30:14
Speaker 1: I didn't get that answer. And Ampy, well, I know this.
30:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of him right now of
30:20
Speaker 1: him grilling out at his home with barbecue sauce and
30:25
Speaker 1: a jar of Jeff peanut butter outdoors grilling, So I
30:30
Speaker 1: think he's at his house. So is he leading searches?
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Speaker 1: Not that I know of. Interesting. I want you to
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Barry Morphy talking to Tyson Draper,
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Speaker 1: the Draper Brothers on YouTube. Listen what seems to have
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Speaker 1: happened from the investigators, And they don't get much And
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Speaker 1: I've got private people working for me. Is Lady she
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Speaker 1: was abductive regular and they found an article going west
31:00
Speaker 1: of heirs. They won't tell us what it is, so
31:04
Speaker 1: they sent another team after they found the article that
31:08
Speaker 1: covered this hillside all the way down to the river.
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Speaker 1: Pretty good. My concerns were this way and that way
31:20
Speaker 1: if it was the cat, because the cat's late, drag
31:23
Speaker 1: your prey up the mountain and out of peoples. We
31:28
Speaker 1: can't find signed for the cabin, but we got rained
31:31
Speaker 1: right away, washed away signed. I'm taking a listen to
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Speaker 1: mister morph you speaking with Tyson and Draper on the
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Speaker 1: Draper Brothers YouTube channel. Laurence Sharp, where is the hotel
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Speaker 1: that he rented for his coworker, jeff Pucket? It's a
31:47
Speaker 1: holiday and where is it? It's in Broomfield, Colorado, which
31:52
Speaker 1: is just an outside of Denver. It takes about three
31:56
Speaker 1: hours from Chaffey County to get there. Okay, So he
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Speaker 1: left that morning around five am and then he leaves
32:04
Speaker 1: around six pm for a quote family emergency. You say
32:09
Speaker 1: this room was written specifically for Jeffrey Pucket to come
32:13
Speaker 1: work on a job site where there was no equipment
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Speaker 1: and no dirt, but that when Puckett gets there, could
32:19
Speaker 1: you describe the state of the room again, plays Lauren Sharf. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he said that it smells like chlorine, very strong, and he,
32:28
Speaker 1: you know, he thought maybe Barry had gone to the pool,
32:31
Speaker 1: but the pool had been closed. He saw that there
32:34
Speaker 1: was wet towels on the ground, it looked like the
32:36
Speaker 1: shower had been used, that the bed had been laid in,
32:39
Speaker 1: and he also found the next morning a piece of
32:43
Speaker 1: mail that I was addressed to Barry that had something
32:47
Speaker 1: to do with property insurance. Now again, none of this
32:51
Speaker 1: means barrymoreph you as a suspect or even a person
32:54
Speaker 1: of interest. Again to you, Donald Schweitzer, former attactive, former prosecutor,
33:01
Speaker 1: now defense attorney, Why is it we always go through
33:07
Speaker 1: and vet boyfriend, lover, ex husband, husband, guy that's got
33:13
Speaker 1: a crush, secret admirer. Why do we always look at
33:17
Speaker 1: them first? Donald and Anthony, you said it at the
33:20
Speaker 1: beginning of the show that statistically, this is where it
33:23
Speaker 1: most likely happens that it's somebody that's intimately involved with
33:27
Speaker 1: the missing person that is responsible for these types of things.
33:31
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you just briefly about this
33:33
Speaker 1: hotel thing. Okay, you know, why in the world is
33:36
Speaker 1: he taking a shower in somebody else's room, unless you know,
33:40
Speaker 1: he's being smart. He's saying, look, I'm not going to
33:42
Speaker 1: lead the authorities in my own room, you know. And
33:45
Speaker 1: why is he even taking a shower? You know, he'd
33:47
Speaker 1: been gone a few hours, but there's no evidence that
33:50
Speaker 1: he did any work. So he's taking the shower and
33:52
Speaker 1: some other guy's room, and then he leaves behind what
33:55
Speaker 1: it looked like chaos to me. You know, he's probably
33:58
Speaker 1: extremely nervous. I mean, if he did this, Okay, I
34:01
Speaker 1: understand that he's not a person of interest, but if
34:04
Speaker 1: he is the person that did this, it looks like
34:06
Speaker 1: there was a panic. You know, he's leaving things behind it.
34:09
Speaker 1: Normally you would clean up that for yourself. On the
34:12
Speaker 1: other hand, it could be argued Kirknrmy that he went
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Speaker 1: for a jog or he exercised. The pool was closed,
34:18
Speaker 1: so those wet towels did not come from the pool.
34:21
Speaker 1: But if he had gone there, jogged or worked out,
34:25
Speaker 1: gone to the construction site, got sweat, he came back
34:28
Speaker 1: to kashower, then got in these his wife's missing, he
34:30
Speaker 1: throws down the towel and leaves bam. That could be
34:33
Speaker 1: the argument that certainly would be the argument. And again
34:36
Speaker 1: it's a matter of setting up all these circumstances. I
34:39
Speaker 1: wasn't around, I was doing these other things, and I
34:43
Speaker 1: reacted appropriately once I found out my wife was missing,
34:47
Speaker 1: once I got a call from my kids, you know.
34:49
Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffey ellis psychologist, Professor, Columbia. It's often argued
34:56
Speaker 1: by defense attorneys that there is no playbook or a
35:01
Speaker 1: script for anxiety or grief, and that is true. People
35:06
Speaker 1: don't always act the way you think they should act,
35:10
Speaker 1: and very often it means nothing. I totally agree. I
35:14
Speaker 1: tend to avoid using the word normal when it comes
35:18
Speaker 1: to referring to any sort of emotional experience or behavior.
35:23
Speaker 1: And some people again could be compulsive. That explains certain
35:28
Speaker 1: actions and chemicals they use. Some people could be messy,
35:32
Speaker 1: that's why they leave cows on the floor. So in
35:36
Speaker 1: my view and observation work over the years, there's no normal.
35:41
Speaker 1: It's informative to look at regular patterns and it's they're
35:46
Speaker 1: changed and what might influence the change. But normal, for me,
35:52
Speaker 1: that means little guys we are waiting to uncover. Who
35:57
Speaker 1: is the private eye or detective farm. It is more
36:00
Speaker 1: for you is using and we wait as justice unfolds,
36:04
Speaker 1: and again let me reiterate Moreph, you not a suspect,
36:10
Speaker 1: but we still want to find Suzanne Nancy Grace Crime Story,
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,