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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 7-9) (4/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna pick right up where we
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  left off with Glen Maxwell's deposition. McCauley, did Jeffrey know redacted? Maxwell?
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  Clearly he knew him. I think we have that answer,
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  but how Yeah, McCauley, do you know how Jeffrey met redacted? Maxwell?
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  I do not know Jeffrey met redacted. What I do
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  know is that I did not introduce them. That is
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  one of the many lies. Are we tallying all the lies? McCauley.
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  Do you know when Jeffrey met redacted? Maxwell? I do
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  not know when Jeffrey met redacted? McCauley. Did you ever
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  introduce redacted to any girls under the age of eighteen
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  who are not friends of yours or your children? Maxwell?
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  I have not introduced redacted to anyone that I am
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  aware of, other than friends of mine who have kids
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  under that age that he may have met socially through me.
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  Mcaul Did you ever introduce redacted to Virginia in London? Maxwell?
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  I understand your story about redacted, but again, her tissue
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  of lies is extremely hard to pick apart what is
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  true and what isn't Actually, I wouldn't recollect her at
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  all but for her tissue stories about this situation. McCauley, So,
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  did you ever introduce redacted to Virginia in London? Maxwell?
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  I have no recollection McCauley. Did Virginia ever stay at
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  your home in London? Your town home? Maxwell? I know
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  she claims she did, but if you were asking me
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  here today to remember specifically, I cannot. And just to interject,
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  really you don't know if she stayed the night at
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  your house. This vile fork tongue serpent known as Glenn
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  Maxwell is exactly where she belongs right now, and that's
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  behind bars. McCauley. Do you remember taking a trip with
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  Virginia to travel over to Europe, including London? Maxwell? So,
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  I have seen her reports, and I have seen the
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  plan reports. I see she says she was on there.
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  But again I really have no recollection of her. McCauley.
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  Did you know that she was seventeen at the time
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  of that trip? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
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  the foundation Maxwell, I have, McCauley interrupts her. Did you
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  know that she was seventeen at the time of that trip,
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  mister Pagluka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I didn't even know she was on the trip. McCauley.
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  Did you hold her passport for when you were traveling?
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I have no recollection whatsoever of her ever being on
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  the trip nor holding her passport. Maxwell Exhibit four picture
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  marked for identification. McCauley, I'm showing you what we marked
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  as Maxwell exhibit for. Can you take a look at
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  that picture for me? Maxwell, I've looked at it. McCauley.
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  Are you in that picture? Maxwell? I am McCauley redacted. Maxwell.
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  It is mister pat I don't believe this has been
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  produced to us in discovery by you, McCauley. The picture,
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  mister Pagliuca. Yes, McCauley, it has Miss Meninger. Is it
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  the same exact photograph, McCauley. I believe so we will
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  find one. The picture has been produced a number of times,
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  mister Pakliuka. I've seen different iterations of this. I don't
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  believe I have ever seen this, Miss McCauley. We had
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  them blow it up on a page so she could
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  see it. We could use an article. While you are
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  looking for that, I will skip ahead hold that until
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  we can find one that has the Baits range on it. McCauley,
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  do you ever recall Virginia being at your London town home? Maxwell?
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  I do not. McCauley. Do you ever recall going to
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  dinner with redacted Jeffrey Epstein Virginia Roberts in London at
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  any time? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, do you recall
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  going to a place called redacted redacted Jeffrey Epstein and
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  yourself and Virginia Roberts Maxwell I would just like to
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  state for the record, whole bunch of redactions. I do
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  not have any recollection of it, and I doubt it
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  actually happened. McCauley, do you recall taking Virginia shopping when
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  you were in London to buy an outfit to meet redacted? Maxwell? No,
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  I don't, McCauley. Were you in your town home? We
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  will come back to that. Do you have a guest
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  bedroom in your townhome in London? Maxwell? I do, McCauley,
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  how many Maxwell two? McCauley. Did redacted ever visit Jeffrey
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  and you in New York? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley do you
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  remember him visiting you and Jeffrey in New York in
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  the spring of two thousand and one. Maxwell, again, I
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  can't testify to any specific dates, McCauley, so you don't
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  have a recollection of that, Maxwell, I have a recollection.
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  You've asked me if I have a recollection of being
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  in New York, but if you're asking for a date,
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  I cannot confirm the date. McCauley, do you remember redacted
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  being present in New York for party where redacted and
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  redacted was also present? Maxwell, I do not recollect, McCauley,
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  do you recall ever giving redacted a gift of a
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  puppet that was in the same that looked like him? Maxwell,
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  I never gave him a gift of a puppet. So,
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  right then and there, that's a lie. Right, we know
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  that she's lying. We have Joanna Schuberg's account, and we
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  have Virginia's, and then we have the denial of a
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  convicted sex trafficker. You tell me who you believe, McCauley.
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  Did Jeffrey ever give him a gift of a puppet? Maxwell? No,
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  not that I'm aware of. McCauley, have you ever given
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  him any gifts? Mister Pagliuca objection to the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I know redacted. McCauley. Have you ever given him any
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  gifts that you remember when he came to Jeffrey's home
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  in New York? Maxwell? I don't recall giving him any
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  gifts in New York. Maxwell, Exhibit five picture marked for identification. McCauley,
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  I think I directed you to page zero zero three four.
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  Is that a picture that was taken at your London
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  town home? Maxwell? I have no idea what this picture
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  was taken. I know what she reports it to be,
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  but I'm not going to say that I do. McCauley.
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  Do the surroundings look like your London town home? Maxwell?
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  They are familiar. McCauley. Do you know who took this picture? Maxwell?
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  I do not, McCauley. Did Jeffrey Epstein take the picture? Maxwell?
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  I just testified I don't know who took the picture, McCauley,
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  So you don't know if Jeffrey Epstein took that picture. Maxwell.
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  When I tell you I don't know who took the picture,
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  it doesn't mean him. I don't know who took the picture.
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  You can come up with fifty names. I still do
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  not know who took the picture. McCauley, did you observe
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  redacted go into a room with Virginia alone in your
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  town home? Maxwell? I cannot recall, As I have said, No, McCauley,
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  did redacted ever tell you that he had sex with
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  Virginia Roberts Maxwell? He did not. McCauley. Did Jeffrey Epstein
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  never tell you that redacted had sex with Virginia Roberts Maxwell?
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  He did not. McCauley. Did redacted ever visit Let me
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  back up for a moment. We talked about Jeffreys Holmes.
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  Did Jeffrey have a home in the US virgin Islands
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  called Little Saint James? Maxwell? Yes? Did redacted ever visit
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  that island? Are you aware of redacted ever visiting Jeffrey's island? Maxwell?
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  I'm aware of that, Yes, McCauley. Do you know how
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  many times he visited? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley. Do
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  you know if he ever visited when Virginia was on
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  the island? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, were you president
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  on the island when redacted visited Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, how
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  many times? Maxwell? I can only remember once. McCauley. Were
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  there any girls under the age of eighteen on the
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  island during that one visit that you remember that were
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  not your family or friends or daughters of your friends.
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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  There were no girls on the island at all. No girls,
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  no women other than the staff who work at the
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  house girls meaning I assume you're asking underage, but there
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  was nobody female outside of the cooks and the cleaners. McCauley,
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  did you ever, as part of your duties in working
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  for Jeffrey, ever arranged for Virginia to have sex with redacted?
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  Mister Pagliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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  Just for the record, I have never, at any time,
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  any place, in any moment, ever asked Virginia Roberts, or
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  whatever she is called now, to have sex with anybody. McCauley,
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  did you ever provide Virginia Roberts with an outfit, an
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  outfit of a sexual nature for her to wear for redacted?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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  I think we address the outfit issue, McCauley. I'm asking
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  if you ever provided her with an outfit of a
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  sexual nature to where four redacted. Maxwell categorically, no, you
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  did get that, I said, categorically no, McCauley. Don't worry.
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  I'm paying attention Maxwell. You seem very distract in that moment.
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  Maxwell exhibits six flight logs marked for identification. Maxwell, do
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  you mind if I take a break for the bathroom. McCauley.
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  It's eleven oh eight and we are going off the
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  record now. After a brief recess, everybody's back and they're
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  ready to go. McCauley, Miss Maxwell, I think I handed
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  you right before the break. Did I hand you the
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  flight logs? They look like this? Did I mark those yet?
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  I thought I did. Maxwell, I don't believe I have it. McCauley.
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  These admittedly are a little difficult to read. So what
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  I'm going to provide you with to assist is I
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  have a chart that has airport codes, because it will have,
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  for example, just for the record, reflects that the first
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  page of the document redacted, it will have a code
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  in the front life that says PPI for example to TEB.
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  So a chart that matches up, just in case that
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  you don't understand what those letters mean. PBI meaning palm beach,
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  TEB meaning Teterborough, which is in New Jersey, but others
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  are more difficult. But just for you to be able
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  to understand the logs, I will provide you with that,
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  mister Pagliuca, so we are clear. If the witness has
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  personal knowledge of what these are, that's fine. But I
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  don't know what these are, and I don't expect the
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  witness to accept the representation that they are what they are, McCauley.
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  If she can testify to what it is, she can
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  state that on the record, Pagliuka. If she knows what
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  it is, she knows what it is. We are not
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  putting any affirmatively on the record until you ask your questions, McCauley.
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  So I'm going to ask you, and I think we
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  flagged a few of the pages which may direct us
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  a little bit easier, but I will do it by
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  Bates number, which which is at the bottom of the
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  document kind of at the side. The first I will
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  direct your attention to is redacted. Maxwell doesn't have a tab, McCauley.
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  It should. Let me make sure Maxwell, Yes, it does, McCauley.
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  So I'm directing your attention to the bottom. Two lines
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  up from the bottom, there is a flight mister Pagliuca,
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  are are you on redacted? Miss McCauley. Redacted McCauley, so
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  this flight is from the one I'm looking at. I
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  think it's highlighted on your copy on the far corner
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  on the date it says redacted at the top, and
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  this would be redacted and then the redacted are the
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  two I'm going to direct your attention too, and just
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  interject again real quickly. All the people out there are
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  talking about flight logs, this flight logs that here's an idea.
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  Read the cord documents. You can really tell who doesn't
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  know what the fuck they're talking about. The second they
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  start piping off about dumb shit. McCauley goes on on
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  that first one. On the redacted. You will see the
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  column reading PBI in the from column to TEB in
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  the two column, and you will see some initials. You
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  will see JAYE for Jeffrey Epstein, GM for Glenn Maxwell
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  and redacted for redacted, and then Virginia Maxwell. I have
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  to object, mister Pagliuca. You don't get to object, McCauley.
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  She is turning into a lawyer already. Maxwell. I would
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  like to McCauley, let me ask the questions and if
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  you have an issue. So with respect to this flight,
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  do you recall being on a flight in the redacted
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  or redacted going from bomb Beach to Teeterborough? Maxwell, I
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  do not recall any specific flight. McCauley, do you recall
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  flying with Virginia on a flight with redacted and Jeffrey
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  Epstein at the same time? Maxwell? I don't McCauley, how
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  often did you fly on a plane with a seventeen
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  year old? Mister Pagliuka objection to form and foundation. Maxwell,
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  I have no idea what you're talking about other than
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  friends of mine that had kids. McCauley, did you regularly
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  fly on Jeffrey's plane with individuals who are under the
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  age of eighteen? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation? Maxwell, can you repeat the question, McCauley, did
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  you regularly fly on Jeffrey Epstein's planes with individuals who
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  were under the age of eighteen? Maxwell? I regularly flew
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  on Jeffrey Epstein's planes, but I cannot testify as to
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  flying with people under the age. I don't believe that
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  I did. McCauley. Why wouldn't you remember flying with the
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  seventeen year old mister Pagliuca. Objection to the form and
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  the Foundation. Maxwell, How would I know one that she
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  is seventeen? How would you know that? How do you
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  know that I'm on the plane? McCauley. Are you saying
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  that you are not on this flight? So this is
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  a Palm Beach to Teeterborough. This says that je GM
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  redacted in Virginia. The GM you are saying is not you.
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  Mister Pagliuca, I object to the form. You can answer
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  the question if you know, Maxwell, How do you know
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  the GM is me? McCauley. Is it your testimony that
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  on the flight logs when it represents GM, that it
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  is not you flying on the plane. Mister Pagliuca. Objection
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  to the Forum and the Foundation. Maxwell. GM can stand
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  for any level. It could be Georgina, It could be
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  George McCauley. Are there any people that flew with Jeffrey
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  Epstein that had the initials GM? Maxwell? I don't know, McCauley.
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  Do you recall flying with Jeffrey Epstein on his plane
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  over three hundred times during the period of nineteen ninety
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  nine to two thousand and five. Maxwell, I cannot testify
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  to how many times I was on this plane, because
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  that would just be impossible. McCauley, You were on his
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  plane regularly, would you say, Maxwell, I already testified that
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  I was on his plane regularly. McCauley, is it your testimony?
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  And I'm referring now to the line that we were
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  just talking about, that you were not on the flight
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  from Palm Beach to Teeterborough that lives Jaye GM redacted
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  and Virginia Maxwell. I am not testifying to that. I
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  am just saying that you cannot be sure that is
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  me McCauley. So as you sit here today, you don't
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  believe you flew on that plane. Maxwell, I'm not saying that.
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  I'm just saying you cannot be sure that's me. McCauley.
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  Do you have reason to doubt that when it says
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  GM on these flight logs that that represents you. Maxwell,
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  I cannot testify to that. I'm just saying that it
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  may not be me. McCauley. In looking at the flight
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  logs and look up, let's move a couple of lines.
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  If you start at the top, you're going to see
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  Jae redacted, then jay E redacted or redacted JAE redacted
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  or redacted, jay e GM, jay e GM, jay e
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  GM redacted, reposition jay e GM, jay e GM redacted,
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  jay e GM redacted redacted, redacted female redacted, repositioning, jay
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  e GM redacted redacted, jay e GM redacted redacted, jay
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  e GM redacted Verginina JEGM redactive, Virginia repositioning, and then
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  a certification. So is it your testimony and looking at
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  that that you do not believe that the GM represents you,
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  mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that you cannot.
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  I can't sit here and tell you for sure GM
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  is me and I cannot testify remembering being on a
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  flight at that time. McCauley, you don't remember being on
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  any of these flights with the initial GM. Maxwell, I
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  remember being on many flights. I cannot testify that this
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  is a flight that I'm on. All right, folks, We're
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  gonna wrap up right there and in the next episode
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  we'll pick back up with the Barf Bag Express. All
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  the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back.
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  To the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick
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  up right where we left off with the Glain Maxwell deposition.
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  So let's just get right back to it, shall we. McCauley,
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  let's go to the next page, which is going to
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  be redacted. I want you to look out line, so
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  the date is at the top, so it's redacted, and
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  if you go down, you will see a line that
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  says the redacted and if you scroll over you will
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  see PBI to TIST. If you look at the airport codes,
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  TIST is going to be representative for the US Virgin Islands,
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  and then you will see the list on the plane
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  je GM redacted and Virginia Roberts. Do you recall flying
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  from Palm Beach to the US Virgin Islands with Jeffrey
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  yourself redacted, and Virginia Roberts. Mister Pagliuca, I object to
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  the form, and just so the record is clear, we
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  don't agree with whatever your characterizations are. The document speaks
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  for itself and she can answer based on whatever her
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  personal knowledge is. McCauley, I understand. McCauley, do you recall
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  flying with those individuals from Palm Beach to the US
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  Virgin Islands, Glenn Maxwell, I have no recollection of any
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  individual flights you are pointing out here. You are talking
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  about two thousand and one. How many years ago is that?
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  McCauley responds to that. I'm asking the questions. Maxwell. I'm
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  not being difficult. I'm just asking it's like fourteen fifteen
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  years ago. It's impossible. I'm sorry McCauley. So your testimony
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  is you don't recall flying on that flight with Virginia Roberts. Maxwell.
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  I cannot testify to that flight, McCauley. Let's look at
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  the next flight, which is on the redacted from the
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  Virgin Islands back to Palm Beach, JAYE, Jeffrey Epstein, Glen Maxwell, redacted,
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  Virginia Roberts. The same individuals on the above flight. Maxwell.
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  It doesn't say my name, it has some initials. McCauley,
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  I understand the initials. GM. Do you recall flying on
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  a plane on one of Jeffrey's planes from the Virgin
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  Islands the Palm Beach with Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I do not, McCauley.
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  Was there any other person that flew with Jeffrey Epstein
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  with frequency during that time period? In these logs that
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  have the initials GM. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, I would have to look at
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  all the flight logs. I have no idea I flew frequently. McCauley.
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  Why don't you take a look at the next three
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  pages and see if that refreshes your recollection? Mister Pagliuca,
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  you are talking about redacted Miss McCauley. She can pick
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  any couple of pages. Those have a lot of the
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  individuals on them, so that is a good sampling, mister Pagliuca,
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  So pick any pages you want. McCauley. Does that refresh
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  your recollection at all? As to whether GM represents you
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  or some other individuals? Maxwell, again, I can't testify whether
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  that represents me or not. I don't see any other gms.
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  But you have to understand that even if my name
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  is on that record, that doesn't mean I was on
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  the flight. Just interject here, well, what does it mean? Then?
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  You vile, disgusting, bipedal serpent McCauley. So are you contesting
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  the accuracy of the flight logs? In other words, you
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  said it doesn't represent you or on the flight. So
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  is it your testimony? Just because the name is listed
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  doesn't mean they were actually on the flight. Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I can't
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  testify to what these are records that were produced by
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  redacted is on here, So these aren't federally mandated records,
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  so I can't testify to what he produced. McCauley, I
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  would like you to turn the page at the bottom.
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  The bait's number is redacted and the month is redacted. Maxwell, Okay, McCauley.
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  If you go down to the number that is redacted,
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  that would be redacted, you're going to see on that
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  line and redacted, which is a redacted, and then you
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  will see redacted, which is going to be I'm going
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  to pronounce it incorrectly redacted. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing
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  that correctly. Then you will see in the list you
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  will see Jae GM redacted, redacted, redacted. It looks like
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  Maxwell interjects, I believe it, says Mail McCauley. Yes, then redacted.
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  I believe is that GM on this page representative of you? Maxwell? Well,
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  this would be a flight that I would potentially remember
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  with redacted on it, but I don't actually recall going
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  to Russia. McCauley, are those your initials? Do you recall
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  being on that flight? Maxwell? Those are my initials with redacted.
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  I don't recall this flight either, but I would be
• 21:50
  more likely to if I had a bit more time
• 21:52
  to study the timing of this. McCauley, your testimony is
• 21:57
  you don't recall flying with redacted from redacted two redacted. Maxwell,
• 22:02
  I don't recall the redacted to redacted flight. I have
• 22:05
  definitely flown with redacted McCauley. On that same page you
• 22:10
  will see beneath there, beneath twenty two, you will see
• 22:12
  the indication same as above, same as above, same as above,
• 22:16
  in the column that originally had the initials Maxwell, Yeah,
• 22:20
  McCauley and the names Maxwell, Uh huh. McCauley, Do you
• 22:25
  recall flying with redacted and redacted from redacted to redacted Maxwell,
• 22:31
  I do, McCauley, So the GM that would be represented
• 22:35
  in that column would be you, Maxwell, I recall going
• 22:40
  to redacted with redacted, so that is likely to be me. McCauley.
• 22:44
  So you were on Jeffrey's plane for that trip, Maxwell,
• 22:48
  I believe I was McCauley. Do you know who redacted?
• 22:52
  Is Maxwell, I do not, McCauley. I'm going back towards
• 22:56
  the front, which is going to be redacted. Please, and
• 23:00
  you're going to see Maxwell, hang on, I'm not McCauley.
• 23:03
  Take your time. Maxwell, Okay, McCauley. You are going to
• 23:07
  see in the date column you will see redacted, and
• 23:09
  then about halfway down you will see redacted. Then you
• 23:13
  will see the redacted, which is the column which is
• 23:15
  where I want you to start looking at the log
• 23:18
  and there you're going to see a whole bunch of redacted. Maxwell. Okay, McCauley.
• 23:24
  If you look at the column, if you go back
• 23:27
  up to the top on the redacted, if you look
• 23:30
  at the column, you will see je GM redacted, Virginia
• 23:34
  Roberts and I believe it says redacted. Sorry, I'm not
• 23:37
  reading that very well. Do you recall flying from if
• 23:40
  you see the dates the redacted? Do you recall a
• 23:43
  trip that went from the United States to redacted and
• 23:46
  to the places I just mentioned where Virginia Roberts was
• 23:50
  on the plane with you, Mister Pagliuca objection to the
• 23:53
  form and the foundation, Maxwell, I already testified that I
• 23:57
  don't recall Virginia on any of these flights. McCauley, I
• 24:02
  would like to mark is Maxwell seven. I will put
• 24:04
  it at the top Maxwell Exhibit seven photo marked four identification.
• 24:10
  Mister Pagliuca, has this document been produced in discovery, Miss McCauley, yes,
• 24:15
  mister Pagliuca. Do you have a BAITS number, Miss McCauley,
• 24:19
  This one doesn't. Ms McCauley, I'm going to ask you
• 24:23
  to this. Pagliuca interjects, I don't recall seeing this document,
• 24:27
  so I would like to see a BAITS number document
• 24:29
  before we ask questions about it. McCauley, Can you go
• 24:33
  look for it and I will continue. We will set
• 24:35
  that aside until we get the BAITS number. You may
• 24:38
  want to leave that log up and set it to
• 24:40
  the side and we will bounce back to that. McCauley.
• 24:44
  Do you recall, I think earlier you said you visited
• 24:46
  Jeffrey's Island. I think they called it Saint Jeffrey or
• 24:50
  Saint James, the US Virgin Island Home. Maxwell, yes, Saint James. McCauley,
• 24:56
  do you recall whether adacted was ever on that island?
• 25:00
  Maxwell categorically, definitively, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt
• 25:06
  when I was present or any other time that I
• 25:08
  am aware of, was redacted ever on that island. I
• 25:11
  do not believe he went to that island ever. Ever.
• 25:14
  That is an absolute fabrication and an absolute, flat out lie. McCauley,
• 25:19
  was redacted ever at Jeffrey Epstein's homes when you were
• 25:23
  present other than the island, I know you said that
• 25:25
  did not happen the home in either New York or
• 25:28
  Palm Beach or New Mexico. Maxwell, I do not believe
• 25:33
  at any time redacted was at any of Jeffrey's homes.
• 25:36
  I have absolutely no knowledge or otherwise that he was
• 25:39
  ever there. My guess is they're talking about Clinton here. McCauley,
• 25:44
  you don't recall having dinner with him at any of
• 25:47
  those homes. Maxwell, Again, Virginia is absolutely totally lying. This
• 25:53
  is the subject of defamation about Virginia and the lies
• 25:56
  she has told, and one of the lies she told
• 25:58
  was that President Clinton was on the island where I
• 26:02
  was President. Absolutely one thousand percent that is a flat out,
• 26:06
  total fabrication and the lie. Just to add here, we
• 26:10
  have other witnesses who have said they saw Bill Clinton
• 26:12
  on the island. So there's that, McCauley, you did fly
• 26:17
  planes Jeffrey Epstein's planes with President Clinton? Is that correct? Maxwell?
• 26:22
  I have flown, yes, McCauley. Would it be fair to
• 26:25
  say that President Clinton and Jeffrey are friends? Maxwell? I
• 26:30
  wouldn't be able to characterize it like that. No, McCauley.
• 26:33
  Are they acquaintances? Maxwell? I wouldn't categorize it. McCauley, he
• 26:38
  just allowed him to use his plane. Maxwell, I couldn't
• 26:42
  characterize Jeffrey's relationship. McCauley. When you were on the plane
• 26:46
  with Jeffrey and President Clinton, did you observe Jeffrey and
• 26:50
  Clinton talking Maxwell? I'm sure they did, McCauley. Did they
• 26:55
  seem friendly? Maxwell? I don't recollect. McCauley. Was Epstein one
• 26:59
  of the origine people that conceive the redacted mister Pagliuca
• 27:04
  objection to the form and the foundation? McCauley, do you know, Maxwell?
• 27:09
  I don't have I don't have any idea what you're
• 27:12
  talking about. McCauley, You don't know what I'm talking about.
• 27:17
  Did you ever not at one of the houses, but
• 27:19
  did you ever eat dinner with Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
• 27:24
  Are you just talking in general anywhere, McCauley, in general, Maxwell,
• 27:29
  I believe on a plane of this nature we would
• 27:32
  have had a meal, McCauley, but not outside of the
• 27:35
  travel on the flights Maxwell, I can't recollect having a
• 27:39
  meal with them, But just so we're clear, the allegations
• 27:42
  that redacted had a meal on Jeffrey's Island is one
• 27:45
  hundred percent false. Meanwhile, let's not forget that the Daily
• 27:49
  Beast reported that Bill Clinton and Glenn Maxwell had an
• 27:53
  intimate meeting and the dinner together at a restaurant. So
• 27:57
  is Bill Clinton ever going to be held accountable or
• 28:00
  is everybody just gonna go around and may pretend that
• 28:03
  this dude wasn't up to his ears in Epstein bullshit, McCauley.
• 28:08
  But he may have had a meal on Jeffrey's plane Maxwell,
• 28:11
  I'm sure he had a meal on Jeffrey's plane. McCauley.
• 28:14
  Do you know how many times he flew on Jeffrey's plane? Maxwell,
• 28:18
  I don't. McCauley. Do you know who redacted is? Maxwell?
• 28:22
  I do. McCauley, how do you know him? Maxwell? He
• 28:25
  used to work or still works for redacted. McCauley, did
• 28:29
  you ever have a relationship with him. Maxwell, we are
• 28:32
  talking about adult, consensual relationships. It's off the record, McCauley.
• 28:37
  I'm not asking what you did with him. I'm asking
• 28:39
  if you ever had a relationship with him. Mister Pagliuca,
• 28:43
  If you understand the term relationship, certainly you can answer that. Maxwell.
• 28:48
  The fine relationship McCauley, somebody that you would have spent
• 28:51
  time together with, either seeing them in a romantic relationship
• 28:55
  or Maxwell interrupts, You need to be what do you
• 28:58
  mean by romantic? I was friends with redacted, but you
• 29:01
  were suggesting something more. So I want to be clear
• 29:04
  what you were actually asking me. McCauley. You defined it.
• 29:08
  You said you were friends with them. If that's what
• 29:10
  you were, that's all I need to know. While you
• 29:13
  were on the trip with redacted, do you recall where
• 29:16
  you stayed at these locations? In other words, would you
• 29:18
  leave the jet and stay overnight at a hotel? Do
• 29:21
  you have recollection of this trip? Maxwell? I recollect the trip,
• 29:25
  but if you're asking me where we stayed, you can
• 29:28
  see it's a very fast paced trip. It was very tiring,
• 29:32
  and I don't recollect where we stayed. McCauley, Do you
• 29:35
  recollect if you stayed at the same place redacted stayed.
• 29:38
  In other words, if you left the plane to go
• 29:40
  to a hotel, did you all go together? Is your recollection, Maxwell,
• 29:45
  I honestly don't recollect no. McCauley. Part of this trip
• 29:49
  we were just talking about. There is a flight that
• 29:52
  goes to Thailand. Do you remember being in Thailand? Mister
• 29:55
  Pagliuka objection to the form and foundation? Maxwell? Are you
• 30:00
  asking me to that? Menager interrupts on the redacted trip, Maxwell,
• 30:05
  are you referencing something, Menager? The part that, let me
• 30:09
  make sure that I've got it here, the entry that
• 30:11
  would be the Thailand would be the one. Let me
• 30:14
  make sure I'm correct. I have you on the wrong page.
• 30:17
  It's actually the page before it's going to be redacted,
• 30:20
  and it's going to be the entry on redacted starting unredacted,
• 30:24
  and then it goes down to where it has the
• 30:26
  same as above to redacted. I'm saying redacted, mister Pagliuca,
• 30:31
  That's what the document says. McAuley. I'm not representing the date,
• 30:35
  but there it is. So the last leg of that
• 30:38
  where it says same as above, has the second to
• 30:41
  last I'm sorry on the redacted redacted? Do you remember
• 30:45
  being in Thailand with redacted? Maxwell? I do. McCauley, do
• 30:50
  you remember what the purpose of the trip was, Maxwell,
• 30:53
  I don't. McCauley, do you know whether do you recall
• 30:56
  did you stay the night in Thailand? Maxwell? I don't. McCauley,
• 31:01
  do you recall why you went to Thailand? Maxwell? I
• 31:03
  don't recall. McCauley. Who is redacted? Maxwell? She I believe
• 31:08
  was the stewardess on the flight. McCauley, did she perform
• 31:12
  any massages on the flight? Maxwell? I don't recollect any
• 31:16
  massages on the flight. All right, folks, So we're gonna
• 31:20
  wrap up this episode right here, and then the next
• 31:22
  episode we'll pick up where we left off. All of
• 31:25
  the information that goes with this episode can be found
• 31:28
  in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
• 31:32
  to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick up where we
• 31:36
  left off with a Galain Maxwell deposition. So let's just
• 31:41
  get right back to it, shall we. McCauley, do you
• 31:45
  know who redacted is? Maxwell? It doesn't know. I don't
• 31:48
  know who that is. I can't recall, McCauley. This is
• 31:52
  not in color. It's a black and white, but it
• 31:54
  has the bait to label on it. Should I take
• 31:56
  the sticker off the one that has I don't know
• 31:58
  if you want to swap it, Pagliuca, Let the record reflect.
• 32:02
  I am replacing this on the black and white copy
• 32:05
  of this exhibit with redacted McCauley. So we're talking earlier,
• 32:10
  we were looking at the flight logs and we were
• 32:12
  talking about a trip. And let me just get you
• 32:15
  back to the page. A whole bunch of redactions now.
• 32:19
  Then it goes back to another question. Can I direct
• 32:21
  your attention to the picture please? Maxwell? Of course, McCauley.
• 32:25
  Can you tell me who is in this picture? Who
• 32:28
  is pictured here? And for the court reporter's benefit, can
• 32:31
  you go from the left of the picture to the
• 32:34
  right of the picture, to the extent you can identify
• 32:36
  the individuals? Maxwell? Sure, I cannot identify the person on
• 32:40
  the left, I cannot identify the person next left. I
• 32:44
  can identify Jeffrey Epstein. I cannot identify the next person
• 32:48
  to his right. And the next person in the picture
• 32:50
  is myself McCauley. Is the individual all the way to
• 32:54
  the left at the beginning of the picture. Does that
• 32:57
  resemble redacted you might want to look at the color
• 32:59
  of if that helps you at all. I know it's
• 33:02
  not the marked one, and I don't know if that's
• 33:04
  easier to see, but they are both dark. Maxwell. That
• 33:07
  does not look like redacted at all. McCauley, do you recall,
• 33:12
  mister Pagliuca, Let's mark this then as deposition Exhibit number eight,
• 33:16
  since we were referring to it, and then you can
• 33:18
  give us copies as well. Menager pipes in. It's different
• 33:22
  because it has other people in this color photo, Maxwell,
• 33:25
  Exhibit eight photos marked for identification. McCauley, do you recall
• 33:31
  who took this photograph? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley, do
• 33:35
  you recall this photograph being taken by Virginia Maxwell. First
• 33:38
  of all, I don't know where we are, McCauley, so
• 33:41
  you don't recognize the building, Maxwell, I don't recognize the building,
• 33:46
  and I don't recognize the only two people I recognize
• 33:49
  in this picture are Jeffrey and myself. McCauley, does this
• 33:53
  look like a picture of a building that you would
• 33:56
  have seen when you were on your trip to Europe?
• 33:58
  Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
• 34:03
  I can't possibly answer that. McCauley. Do you recall Virginia
• 34:07
  ever taking pictures? Maxwell? I barely recall Virginia period. McCauley.
• 34:12
  Do you ever recall her taking pictures? Maxwell? No, I don't, McCauley.
• 34:16
  I'm going to direct your attention, still within the flight logs,
• 34:19
  to starting on the next page from where you just were,
• 34:23
  which is going to be redacted, and the date at
• 34:25
  the top says redacted. You will see redacted. And I'm
• 34:29
  directing your attention down towards the middle to the bottom,
• 34:32
  where you will see the numbers redacted. Maxwell. Uh huh McCauley,
• 34:38
  and we've got Actually, I'm going to direct your attention
• 34:41
  to the one that starts with redacted redacted, and in
• 34:44
  the line the remarks line, you will see je GM,
• 34:48
  then a bunch of redactions. Mister Pagliuca. Are you reading
• 34:53
  the twenty ninth? Is that what you're reading, McCauley. I'm
• 34:56
  reading the twenty ninth, Yes, McCauley. Below that you will
• 34:59
  see Jaye GM and a bunch of redactions. Do you
• 35:03
  see that, Maxwell? I do. McCauley. Do you recall a
• 35:07
  trip from Teeterborough to Santa Fe and Santa Fe back
• 35:11
  to Palm Beach with these individuals. Maxwell, I don't. McCauley,
• 35:16
  do you ever recall being on a plane with redacted
• 35:19
  and Virginia Roberts Maxwell, I don't. McCauley, do you ever
• 35:24
  recall witnessing any sexual interactions on one of Jeffrey's planes
• 35:29
  with any of these individuals? Maxwell? I do not, absolutely not, McCauley.
• 35:34
  Did Jeffrey Epstein have a fold out bed on his plane? Maxwell?
• 35:38
  There was a bed on one of his planes that
• 35:40
  folded out, Yes, McCauley. Do you recall whether, with respect
• 35:44
  to this being in Santa Fe, do you recall whether
• 35:47
  you were there for some form of a party. Mister
• 35:50
  Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
• 35:54
  don't recall the trip at all. And this looks like
• 35:56
  a total work trip, not a party trip. McCall. What
• 36:00
  would be the difference between work trip and a party trip? Maxwell?
• 36:05
  Just that I would have been on trips for work,
• 36:07
  and I believe that this looks like redacted, looks like
• 36:10
  it's one of the probably one of the designers, and
• 36:13
  the time would meet with a trip to decorate the house.
• 36:16
  Just the timing of it McCauley. So would Virginia be
• 36:20
  brought on trips that were for the purpose of work
• 36:22
  and decorating the house? Maxwell, Like I said, I never
• 36:26
  worked with her, But you would have to ask Jeffrey
• 36:29
  what he brought her on the trip for McCauley. But
• 36:32
  she would travel with him when there was work trips
• 36:34
  like this, Maxwell, I can't. I'm seeing that she is
• 36:39
  on this flight, but I have no idea what she
• 36:41
  is doing. He invited her. It would not be my job. McCauley.
• 36:46
  What about Nadia Borland? Would she regularly travel with Jeffrey
• 36:50
  on flights? Maxwell? I have no idea. You would have
• 36:53
  to look through your flight logs. I have no idea, McCauley.
• 36:57
  Your recollection is what is your recolle? Do you recollect
• 37:01
  Nadia traveling often on flights with Jeffrey Maxwell? Absolutely not,
• 37:07
  not at all. I don't recollect her actually on the
• 37:09
  flight at all. McCauley. I think you can set that
• 37:13
  aside for the moment. Maxwell. Exhibit nine Message bad pages
• 37:16
  marked for identification. McCauley, we will mark as Exhibit nine
• 37:21
  these excerpts from we will identify what they are. But
• 37:24
  from the message pads do you want to correct anything, Maxwell,
• 37:29
  I want to make an addendum. Would you mind reading
• 37:31
  the last question back to me? Record read Maxwell. I
• 37:35
  also just want to say that at this point I
• 37:37
  cannot recollect flying the parties Jeffrey went for work. So
• 37:41
  was this in Santa Fe? This flight as well, McCauley,
• 37:44
  the flight we were looking at, yes, but it was
• 37:47
  to Santa Fe. Maxwell, I don't recall going to any
• 37:51
  parties in Santa Fe at any time, but certainly flying
• 37:54
  to Santa Fe for a party seems highly improbable McCauley.
• 37:58
  So I'm going to direct your attention to the document
• 38:00
  that I set aside before, which is Baates numbers redacted,
• 38:05
  and it has different Baits numbers because it's a smaller
• 38:07
  version of the larger production. These are the pages I'll
• 38:11
  be asking about. In the time that you were working
• 38:14
  with Jeffrey Epstein in Palm Beach, do you recall a
• 38:17
  process for taking anybody at the house taking messages when
• 38:21
  incoming phone calls came in, Maxwell, You're supposed to take
• 38:24
  a message and receive the message and write the message down.
• 38:28
  Who was the message for, what time it was taken,
• 38:31
  and who took it, and what the message was obviously, McCauley,
• 38:35
  does what's in front of you look familiar with respect
• 38:38
  to the message pads that you would have used at
• 38:40
  the house Maxwell, It's familiar, McCauley. I'm going to direct
• 38:44
  your attention to the second page of it, mister Pagliuca.
• 38:48
  These all have SAO numbers on them or baits ranges,
• 38:51
  and I don't see any of your bait ranges on these.
• 38:54
  I know you have produced message pads, but those have
• 38:57
  your base range numbers on them, and I'm wondering if
• 39:00
  these are different documents. McCauley. It's the same, just ours
• 39:04
  have baits underneath them. These were produced as part of
• 39:07
  the Rule twenty six discovery. We can get additional baits
• 39:10
  if you want, McCauley. The one I'm asking about first
• 39:14
  is the redacted. You can look at it and then
• 39:17
  I will identify the bait's number referenced. In this case.
• 39:21
  I want to direct your attention to the top right
• 39:23
  hand corner, just so I have an understanding of how
• 39:26
  these messages were taken. So I see that it says
• 39:29
  at the top, it says in the fore line, it
• 39:31
  says miss Maxwell, and the data of redacted and then
• 39:34
  I see under the m line it looks like redacted
• 39:38
  or something like that, a phone number and a message
• 39:41
  saying return your call, and on the bottom it looks redacted.
• 39:45
  Explain to me is this Does this represent redacted taking
• 39:49
  down a message for you from redacted? Is that how
• 39:53
  these work? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation.
• 39:58
  Go ahead, Manager. My question is I'm trying to understand
• 40:01
  how the messages were taken. Looking at this message pad
• 40:05
  where it says signed redacted, can you tell me who
• 40:08
  redacted was? Maxwell? I cannot. McCauley. You do not know
• 40:13
  typically when these messages were taken in your practice, when
• 40:17
  you were there with the individual who took the message,
• 40:19
  write their name on the message, mister Pagliuca, objection to
• 40:23
  the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect. You
• 40:27
  can ask who wrote it so you can find out
• 40:29
  who it was. McCauley. Do you know who redacted is? Maxwell?
• 40:33
  I don't, McCauley. I'm going to direct your attention. Do
• 40:37
  we have a Baates number for that? Brad Edwards pipes up,
• 40:40
  but his comment is redacted. McCauley Roberts for that one.
• 40:44
  I will direct your attention to the first page, which
• 40:47
  has the redacted on it. Maxwell. Okay, McCauley. Now at
• 40:51
  the top of the document, on the right hand side,
• 40:54
  the message that reads for Jae date redacted, message redacted,
• 40:59
  and then it's GM. Is that your signature? Maxwell? That's
• 41:03
  not my handwriting, McCauley. Would other people take a message?
• 41:06
  How did this process work if there's someone else in
• 41:09
  the house with the initials GM. Mister Pagliuca, objection to
• 41:14
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I cannot answer that
• 41:17
  it's not my handwriting, McCauley. I'm trying to understand how
• 41:21
  this gets there if you took a message and didn't
• 41:23
  write it down, with someone else record the message for you.
• 41:26
  Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
• 41:31
  all I can tell you this is not my handwriting,
• 41:33
  so I cannot. I have no idea what it is, McCauley.
• 41:37
  Was the practice that what was the practice when someone
• 41:40
  answered the phone with the message pads? What were they
• 41:43
  supposed to do? Maxwell? They were supposed to take a
• 41:47
  message and the time and the date and give the message, McCauley.
• 41:51
  Were they supposed to indicate who took the message? Maxwell?
• 41:55
  They were, but it wasn't. I don't really recall the
• 41:57
  actual process. I can see from here it looks like
• 42:00
  you were supposed to, but that's not my handwriting, so
• 42:03
  I can't say what that was. McCauley. Do you know
• 42:06
  who redacted is? Maxwell? No, I don't McCauley. Do you
• 42:10
  know whether redacted was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell?
• 42:14
  I just testified I couldn't remember who she was, so
• 42:17
  it would be difficult to know how old she was. McCauley,
• 42:21
  do you know if she was coming to the house
• 42:23
  to provide massages? Maxwell? I don't remember who she is
• 42:27
  at all, So no, McCauley. And then I would like
• 42:30
  to direct your attention to the message right underneath it,
• 42:32
  which says Jaye redacted or redacted and has a phone number,
• 42:36
  and the message says wants to know if she should
• 42:39
  bring her friend redacted tonight. What is that message referring to?
• 42:44
  Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I
• 42:48
  can't possibly know, McCauley. Did individuals at the house take
• 42:52
  messages for underage girls to come over and bring friends
• 42:55
  for the purpose of providing massages? Mister Pagliuka objection to
• 43:00
  the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, how would I possibly
• 43:04
  know what you were talking about? McCauley. Did you record
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  messages at the house? Maxwell, It's not my job, McCauley.
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  You did from time to time record messages, Maxwell, hardly ever, McCauley,
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  but you did from time to time. Do it? Maxwell,
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  I'm just saying I hardly ever took messages, very very
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  very very infrequently. McCauley. Do you know if redacted brought
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  our friend redacted over on that night Pagliuca objection to
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  the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell one, I don't know
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  what this message is. I don't know if if I
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  was in Palm Beach, I don't know who redacted is.
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  I don't know who redacted is, and I don't know
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  what this message is referring to McCauley. So on January
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  second of two thousand and three, were you in pom Beach? Maxwell?
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  I don't know, McCauley. Where would you have been other
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  than Palm Beach at that time? Maxwell? I could have
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  been anywhere, McCauley. Wherehere did you typically live? Maxwell? What
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  are you asking me? McCauley, So, for example, in two
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  thousand and three, where was your primary residence. Was it
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  wherever Jeffrey was living and staying or was it independent
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  of that? Maxwell? What was the date again, McCauley in
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  two thousand and three, Maxwell, the end of two thousand
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  and three, McCauley, January the beginning, Maxwell, I don't know.
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  I could have been anywhere. Jeffrey and I were leading
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  almost separate lives by then, McCauley, if you were at
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  the house that day, did you recall seeing anybody by
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  the name of redacted mister Pagliuca objection to the form, Maxwell,
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  I don't know if I was at the house, so
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  I can't testify to that. All right, folks, who are
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  going to wrap up this part here and in the
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  next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All
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