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The Week That Was – 24th February 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: This time for the week that was, and the show
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  Speaker 1: proudly brought to you by Darwin Masda Berrima and joining
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  Speaker 1: me in the studio this morning, we have got the
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Keesier Puric, the independent member for Goider. Good
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  Speaker 1: morning to you, Keizier.
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  Speaker 3: Morning Whitbush people.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, We've also got Kate Warden, the Minister for Police
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  Speaker 1: and Territory Families and various portfolios.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, Kate, Good morning, and I think I'll be
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  Speaker 4: the Minister for rain because this morning, post last weekend,
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  Speaker 4: I turned on my sprinklers and I bought you a monsoon.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very happy with that.
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  Speaker 1: Love it when that happens. I tell you what all
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  Speaker 1: lies on the Catherine River at the moment as well.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's at fourteen meters at this point in time,
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  Speaker 1: So keeping an eye on things in Catherine and right
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  Speaker 1: across the top end. There is a lot of rain
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  Speaker 1: forecast and plenty more continuing to fall. So we'll cross
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  Speaker 1: to Catherine a little bit later this morning and find
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  Speaker 1: out exactly how things are going. But I tell you
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  Speaker 1: what it's been an incredibly busy week, and we did
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  Speaker 1: kick the week off well with a ban at Casuarine Square.
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  Speaker 1: The management there imposed to forty eight hour ban on
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  Speaker 1: students from six star in schools from attending the shopping
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  Speaker 1: center due too well a proliferation of fights between students
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  Speaker 1: at the complex. So from the commencement of trade on
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  Speaker 1: Monday up until Tuesday afternoon, that forty eight hour band
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  Speaker 1: was imposed. It was for Casuarina Senior College, Sanderson Middle School,
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  Speaker 1: Dripstone Middle School, dar And Middle School, Darwin High School,
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  Speaker 1: and Nightcliffe Middle School. Now, the center manager, Polly Leamonde
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  Speaker 1: joined us on the show and she had said that
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  Speaker 1: it had actually worked really quite well and the reason
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  Speaker 1: that that had to go down this path was because
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  Speaker 1: they had had a few terrible incidents towards the back
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  Speaker 1: end of last week. I'd certainly seen some of that
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  Speaker 1: vision and I tell you what I would have been
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  Speaker 1: keeping my kids away when that kind of stuff was
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 5: That is for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, crime right across the territory is out of controlling.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to look very far to see footage
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  Speaker 2: on the socials, on the Indian news printer, on the
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  Speaker 2: TV of the radio and It just shows that these
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  Speaker 2: private companies, the private people have got to do things
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  Speaker 2: themselves because unfortunately labor government have seen put their head
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  Speaker 2: in the sand about crime and it's good to see
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  Speaker 2: these people taking steps who protect themselves because it seems
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  Speaker 2: the government's not doing it well.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 4: We have a CLP advertisement campaign for the next election.
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  Speaker 4: But actually, Derreed, I don't know. My eldest daughters are
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  Speaker 4: in their thirties now and there was a time that
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  Speaker 4: they were banned from Casarina by the by Caasarina back
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  Speaker 4: when they were teenagers.
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  Speaker 3: These things go up and down from different times.
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  Speaker 4: We've worked intensively with Casarina Square and Polly and Warren
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  Speaker 4: the owner, the new owners there for quite a period
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  Speaker 4: of time.
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  Speaker 3: Now we have seen a sixty eight percent decrease.
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  Speaker 4: And for those people that you know that woolworths End
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  Speaker 4: had got quite bad around the bus in exchange and
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  Speaker 4: if you've been there lately, the improvements there have been vast.
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  Speaker 4: I ran into Warren last week. He's really pleased with
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  Speaker 4: work that's gone on. But we have seen now a
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  Speaker 4: lot of students after school coming. I've had a rule
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  Speaker 4: my kids growing up that they if you haven't got
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  Speaker 4: a purpose to go, don't go.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a place to hang around.
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  Speaker 4: And I think what we've seen happen is that parents
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  Speaker 4: are letting their kids just go there. This isn't just
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  Speaker 4: you know, one cohort of kids and they're getting into trouble.
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  Speaker 4: This was happening where my kids, my oldest daughters were
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  Speaker 4: you know, in their teenage years, and we're.
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  Speaker 3: Seeing it again now. And good on Casarina Square for
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  Speaker 3: what they've done.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, its good at they've done it.
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  Speaker 6: It's absolute property. They're entitled to do what they like
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  Speaker 6: and within the law. And this is completely within the law.
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  Speaker 6: But the issue can't be ignored though they had to
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  Speaker 6: go to this measure to ban a cohort of all
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  Speaker 6: the top of all the public school, high school, middle
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  Speaker 6: schools in the darn and Casarina region. The other thing,
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  Speaker 6: and I think this has been referred to before, is
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  Speaker 6: that company that owns that complex spend soor I think
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  Speaker 6: it's Sentinel. Yeah, seven million dollars on security, Now that
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  Speaker 6: is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: I get it. You've got to have.
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  Speaker 6: Security in any big commercial complex for lots of reasons.
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  Speaker 6: It's quite legitimate reasons. But you couple the banning of
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  Speaker 6: those students, young people, plus the security and plus you know,
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  Speaker 6: I think people are just going to stay away and
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  Speaker 6: that's not good for their business.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think Case's answer as a classic example
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  Speaker 2: of the government just being in their head in the
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  Speaker 2: sad saying it's not our problem.
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  Speaker 3: It's happened all the time, It's happened fifteen years ago.
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  Speaker 3: With let me finish.
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  Speaker 2: That's the problem with this government's got. They don't accept
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  Speaker 2: there's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: And I know in.
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  Speaker 5: Six businesses operating with.
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  Speaker 3: The doors shut, door locks.
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  Speaker 2: How do you operate a private business where you've got
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  Speaker 2: to pay the bills, to pay taxes when you've got
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  Speaker 2: to lock your front door And we can give you know,
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  Speaker 2: we can see Differ an hour talking about examples of
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  Speaker 2: businesses suffering under this crime wave caused by the Labor government,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just not accepting that there's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to point out and because it
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  Speaker 1: was actually something that made me feel really sad throughout
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  Speaker 1: the week.
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  Speaker 5: It was an interview that I've.
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  Speaker 1: Done with Sushi or the CEO of Kosa, the counsel
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  Speaker 1: of the aging here in the Northern Territory. Now, she
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  Speaker 1: said to me that there are seniors in the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory right now, a large number who do not feel
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  Speaker 1: safe in their own homes, They do not feel safe
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  Speaker 1: going out to do their shopping. As a result, they're
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  Speaker 1: purchasing a large number of personal alarms so that people
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  Speaker 1: so that our seniors can actually use those when they're out,
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  Speaker 1: so that if they are in danger, they're able to
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  Speaker 1: utilize those alarms. Now. I don't know where things are
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  Speaker 1: broken right now, but for our seniors to be feeling
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  Speaker 1: that way, it actually made me feel really sad.
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  Speaker 3: Not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: And Katie, you're absolutely right that that is not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: But we are seeing across the nation and this isn't
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  Speaker 4: me sticking my head in the sand. It's acknowledging that
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  Speaker 4: there is a body of work. We've got more and
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  Speaker 4: more people coming out now, which is good to see.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's a primary driver and a whole heap
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  Speaker 4: of this, not all of it. You have to keep
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  Speaker 4: working at every level around this, So you have to
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  Speaker 4: have police on the front line.
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  Speaker 3: You have to have more police on the front line.
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  Speaker 4: And you can see that what the work that we've
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  Speaker 4: done in other springs around alcohol, because if you take
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  Speaker 4: alcohol away, it gives place more time to work on
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  Speaker 4: other things.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the way that you have to work at this.
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  Speaker 4: I think you know the c ORPA that we stick
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  Speaker 4: our hand heads in the ground. I would say that
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  Speaker 4: this ELP don't want to acknowledge that.
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  Speaker 3: There's podcast on.
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  Speaker 4: Let me finish, because I gave you some a moment
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  Speaker 4: and I'll let you finish if you stick your head
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  Speaker 4: in the ground around poverty and the increasing gap that
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  Speaker 4: we have between the have and have nots in this country,
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  Speaker 4: not just here in Darwin and Alice Springs, but across
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  Speaker 4: the nation.
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  Speaker 3: This is what you get. What we have to.
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  Speaker 4: Do is make sure that that gap doesn't keep widening,
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  Speaker 4: so that that's a body of work. At the same time,
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  Speaker 4: you need to do the other things. You need to
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  Speaker 4: keep people safe. You need to invest in our police
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  Speaker 4: and to say that we're not doing that is disingenuous.
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  Speaker 4: And I know that the whole mantra of your soft
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  Speaker 4: on crime gets you over the line. But you can
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  Speaker 4: see what Queensland's now doing around a breach of bail.
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  Speaker 3: We've got breach of bail here.
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  Speaker 4: You might not like our breach of bail, but you
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  Speaker 4: keep telling people, can I go on a breach of bail,
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  Speaker 4: all right, don't want to talk about that form because
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  Speaker 4: in Queensland, obviously we cover you know, as we've spoken
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  Speaker 4: about this morning, and I've got to say we've had
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  Speaker 4: this conversation so many times about crime.
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  Speaker 1: But we do know that in queens and what they
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  Speaker 1: are looking at now is or what they've actually you know,
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  Speaker 1: what they've announced throughout the week is that the Queensland
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  Speaker 1: government they're backflipping on their contentious youth crime reforms. So
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  Speaker 1: they are going to reintroduce breach of bail as an offense,
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  Speaker 1: which we so the state government had previously dismissed the
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  Speaker 1: opposition's demands to reintroduce that measure, declaring that the measure
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  Speaker 1: would not be effective. Now Anastasia Palichet said on Monday
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  Speaker 1: afternoon that the government's going to adopt this breach of
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  Speaker 1: bail and she's also going to be so essentially, they're
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  Speaker 1: also announcing forty two million dollars is going to be
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  Speaker 1: spent on flying police officers to hotspot areas as part
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  Speaker 1: of its initiative to ease community concerns about the youth
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  Speaker 1: crime crisis. Now, I want to ask a really clear
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  Speaker 1: question here because obviously we've got the opposition saying that
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  Speaker 1: we don't have breach of bail, we've got the government
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  Speaker 1: saying we do have breach of bail. So over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks I have spoken to people who
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  Speaker 1: work in residential care. They have given me examples of
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  Speaker 1: times when kids have gotten out of don Dale and
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  Speaker 1: then stolen a car.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of days later.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that happens, and so are they on bail and
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  Speaker 1: are they taken straight back into Dondale or what happens?
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  Speaker 4: So if they've served their time in don Dale, they
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  Speaker 4: would be on a program to support them to try
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  Speaker 4: and do better when they're on their way out.
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  Speaker 3: That's not bail.
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  Speaker 4: Bail is what the courts provide or police provide when
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  Speaker 4: a young person has been first picked up for an offense,
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  Speaker 4: and then if they're on bail and then they breach that,
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  Speaker 4: so that's that second offense, then we have breach of
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  Speaker 4: bail provisions. The difference between us is that we have
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  Speaker 4: a part in the Act that talks about exceptional circumstances Katie,
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  Speaker 4: which the opposition don't like. But I can give you
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  Speaker 4: a very practical example of why that's really important. So
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  Speaker 4: if you've got a young person that has offended and
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  Speaker 4: then they breach their bail by stealing, for example, some
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  Speaker 4: food because they're starving hungry, then do you want them.
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  Speaker 3: Breached on that? And that gives you so much chance
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  Speaker 3: to be.
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  Speaker 1: Preaching bail and stealing a loaf of bread. They're breaching
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  Speaker 1: bail and starting icadi are are but how many instances
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  Speaker 1: to pursue your defense? Like in all honesty, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to be really calm about this, but in all honesty,
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  Speaker 1: do you genuinely feel that it's working at the moment?
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  Speaker 5: If if a child is out, we stealing a pin.
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  Speaker 3: Of people in detention, young people in detention.
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  Speaker 4: We have an increased number of people, young people that
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  Speaker 4: are in detention for breach of bail. Absolutely, if you're
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  Speaker 4: counting numbers, if your marker is that those you've got
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  Speaker 4: an increased number of kids being caught in jail in detention.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely it's working. But to me, that's not what you want.
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  Speaker 1: My measure is actually what the community is going through
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  Speaker 1: and how and the victims. If I'm really honest about it,
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  Speaker 1: it's my measure is not how many kids are in
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  Speaker 1: jail or even how many kids are breaching bail. Like,
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  Speaker 1: my measure is how the community is suffering at the
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  Speaker 1: moment and how the community is feeling and right now
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  Speaker 1: they there expect like their view is that there isn't
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  Speaker 1: enough being done.
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  Speaker 4: Can I say, Katie that when we talk about this,
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  Speaker 4: I think we can get we can go down the rabbit.
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  Speaker 3: Hole of youth crime.
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  Speaker 4: There are a lot of adults out there that are
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  Speaker 4: committing a lot of these crimes.
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  Speaker 3: So often people will say.
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  Speaker 4: Look, you know, look at those young that's youth crime,
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  Speaker 4: and in fact it's.
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  Speaker 5: It's adult you know, men particularly all the pressure leases.
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  Speaker 4: So eighteen nineteen, twenty years of age, I think people
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  Speaker 4: we get, we get this lumping together.
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  Speaker 3: So we do have that. But I'll tell you the
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  Speaker 3: police are doing their job. They do very very well.
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  Speaker 3: But we have got what we have seen is an
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  Speaker 3: increased number of young people offending. So that's that's why.
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  Speaker 5: We step that to keep the community, we have to.
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  Speaker 3: Keep doing that really early work before those young people.
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  Speaker 1: And we do. Though in the absolute point end, when
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  Speaker 1: somebody gets out of don Dale, they go into residential care.
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  Speaker 3: They don't necessarily residential.
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  Speaker 5: Care can examples, but the example that of all that
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  Speaker 5: what happens there.
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  Speaker 4: So those young people that come out and go to
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  Speaker 4: residential care are young people that have got no home
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  Speaker 4: to go to, So let's not blur the lines. There's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of kids that come out of residential out
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  Speaker 4: of don Dale or detention in Nallae Springs and they
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  Speaker 4: go back home that might be to remote, that might
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  Speaker 4: be into Darwin or Palmeston.
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  Speaker 3: It's where their home is.
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  Speaker 4: So we have to the young people that go into
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  Speaker 4: residential care are not there for no reason. They have
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  Speaker 4: extreme trauma, they have a lot of real risky behaviors.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the only place these young people are going.
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  Speaker 4: Can I tell you we have got young people in
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  Speaker 4: placements around the whole of the territory. We've got kids
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  Speaker 4: in camps out and Boro Lula, We've got kids out
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  Speaker 4: at Ramginning. We've got kids in various places across the
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  Speaker 4: Northern Territory when they before they go into youth detention
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  Speaker 4: and after they come out. So it's not just a
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  Speaker 4: one size fits all. You'll often have a young person
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  Speaker 4: that is showing signs that they are offending repeatedly. You
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  Speaker 4: might do something completely different with that young person and
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  Speaker 4: not bring them back to Darwin, it's not the same story.
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  Speaker 1: These's just come through from a police officer and it
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  Speaker 1: says breach of bail means bugger all, it's a waste
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  Speaker 1: of time.
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  Speaker 5: Name withheld.
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  Speaker 2: I spend lots of time in the court and I've
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  Speaker 2: done a bit of breach of bail and stuff. But
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  Speaker 2: what we're talking about breach of bail in defense. So
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  Speaker 2: what Kate was saying, she's right, if you're out on
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  Speaker 2: bail and you breach bail, you know there might be
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  Speaker 2: a curfew or there could be you can't go places.
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  Speaker 2: That's your bail conditions, all reporting to the police quite regularly,
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  Speaker 2: and if you breach that, well then your bail is revoked.
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  Speaker 2: What we're talking about there should be a new charge
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  Speaker 2: you're saying of breach of bail, saying that you've actually
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  Speaker 2: charged with a new offense.
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  Speaker 3: Because you've breached your bail.
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  Speaker 2: So what Kate is talking about all these things about
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  Speaker 2: getting bail revoked, that happens, I accept it. But what
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen if that person doesn't get another charge of
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  Speaker 2: breach of bail. So they go back in and all
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  Speaker 2: they're doing is breaching their baiol conditions. There's no more.
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  Speaker 2: There's no more penalty, there's no more additional charges.
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  Speaker 3: Let me finish you.
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  Speaker 2: And so what we're saying, there should be a new
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  Speaker 2: charge if you breach your bail where you've breach your
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  Speaker 2: condition to get provoked, but then you should have another charge.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying, let's actually charge of breaching your bail where
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  Speaker 2: you can go and get resettings for you breach your bail.
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  Speaker 2: And we in the government, as the COLP, try to
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  Speaker 2: do that. In May twenty one is the labor government
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  Speaker 2: knocked that back. And another thing that I want to
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  Speaker 2: say is Cake's going there and all these things that
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  Speaker 2: she's done. Do you really think territories are out there
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  Speaker 2: saying that it's actually working. Do you believe that what
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  Speaker 2: you've done? Do you do it's working working?
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  Speaker 4: Territories are safe for the vast majority of kids that
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  Speaker 4: go through the diversion.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. We had five hundred and ninety sorry you're listening
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  Speaker 3: to statistics.
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  Speaker 4: Tie hundred and ninety young people went through diversion last
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  Speaker 4: year alone. We've got forty around forty on a daily
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  Speaker 4: basis in youth detention. We don't that vast majority of
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  Speaker 4: that five hundred and ninety kids do not reoffend.
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  Speaker 3: That's the whole purpose of the system. Just to that.
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  Speaker 5: Situation where there's new people.
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  Speaker 4: Then thank you you have Hitz. That is absolutely nail
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  Speaker 4: on the head. And what Jared's saying is that rebreach
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  Speaker 4: of bao. What they want is those charges to just
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  Speaker 4: mount up. We had situations, let me finish, we had
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  Speaker 4: situations where they had you know, you'd have to go
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  Speaker 4: in for that breach of bao and then you'd have
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  Speaker 4: to go in for that breach of baw. We were
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  Speaker 4: never getting young people into court for the original offense
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  Speaker 4: because it was this constant breach of bow. Now, yes
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  Speaker 4: they get the breach of bow, yes they come back
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  Speaker 4: into court, but they get seen on that first original offense,
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  Speaker 4: which is what they should be sentenced for.
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  Speaker 5: Kesier ready for you.
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  Speaker 6: The way the way I see it is the fact
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  Speaker 6: is these young people shouldn't be in the courts in
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  Speaker 6: the first place. You know, we're putting the the gates
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  Speaker 6: open and the horses have already bolted or the goats
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  Speaker 6: in libolutely.
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  Speaker 3: So there's that part of it.
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  Speaker 6: You know the fact that they've got the high number well,
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  Speaker 6: we've got high number of people in our jails full stop.
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  Speaker 6: But the other aspectors, and I've said this before and
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  Speaker 6: I'll say it again to the police Minister Kate, is
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: they have to put the school based constables back in
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: our schools because the first experience you want a young
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: person to have in regards to the local constabulary is.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Not a bad one.
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: You want them to have a good one to understand
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: law enforcement, to understand what's right and wrong. And that's
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: what I think a lot of these young people go astray,
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: don't matter what race, color, culture, creed they are.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: If they've got and forget.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: The exiliaries, I'm sure they're almighty fine people. But that
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: program has not worked. And I'm going to be writing
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: probably to U Kate as the Minister, to find out
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: exactly how many call outs have been two schools in
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: the Top end only and rule error. Because the exiliaries
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: cannot deal with any incidents in schools. They cannot deal
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: with them. They have to call the police. Now, if
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: there was a police constable and the people there's lots
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: of police out there who want to be school based constables,
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: all right, they want to work with young people for
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: whatever reason, and that's good. But if those school based
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: constables will put in forget what the police commissioner says,
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: Oh they're my police and I'll put them where I want.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Rubbish.
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: We need those school based constables back in our schools
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: and they have programs. You know, they've always had the
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: programs in the past, have had the Dare program to
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: do with drugs they teach them about, I mean.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Even the basics. Still running those programs they probably are.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: But the xilitary program has failed, there's no doubt about it.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Nothing to do with the people, it's the way the
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: program was set up. It's been a waste of money.
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: Put the school based constables back in, which we part
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: of a sweept a suite of other things to try
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: and address this problem. We've got with an mu which
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: which put an education.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Plan and current looking while the current model is put
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: police at the m o U is exactly what the
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: education or the Education Union wanted. So we've got fifteen
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: of them across all our schools. We've got two at
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: it to meendment in your area.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: That always they're doing.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: A great job, but they're doing the maybe doing a
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: good job as an exilient, but they're not doing a
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: good job that school based constables can do. And when
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: we get the data Kde, I'll get the data from
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: the through questions on notice to find out how many
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: call outs. I know with my to moo in college,
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: the police have had to go there. Sadly they've had
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: to go to Sanderson High School because the auxiliaries can't
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: do that. They stand aside and watch kids fighting because
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: they're not allowed to touch them.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: They've got to call the police.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: So that's where you start, is getting young people when
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: they're young. Yeah, particularly in those formative years when those
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: little signap things have sort of quite closed up, whether
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: it be year seven, year six, eight, year nine, that's
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: when we need to start looking at these young people
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: and getting a better understanding of law and order.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to ask before we move on to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the next topic, Kate, when it comes to what's happening
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: in Queensland at the moment and what the Palichet government
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: is looking at doing, i e. The changes legislative changes
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: around social media. You know, I know that you've said
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: with the bridge of bail things we're.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Going to look at social media as well. That's one
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: of the things we're looking at.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: How quickly are we expecting to see that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Change already discussions looking at You can't just say expected
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: to change.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: You have to work through what that will look like.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I guess the point is that Queensland's moving really fast
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: here and that our heels and and for some in
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the community they'll be thinking why can't we move?
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: They have a breach of borel as an offense.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: So there's no changes to breach of bail.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: By the sounds of it, it works with young people
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: when they breach their bail are back before the courts,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: there's no doubt, but they difference. Let's come back in
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: on the original charge which might have been so let
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: me explain this very easily, Katie. You got broken into
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: the young person gets put out on bail from that
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: offense by the police or the courts.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: They then breach that bail.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: You want that charge to be heard against what they
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: did to you as the victim at the moment. If
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: if the CLP had their way, they'd be charged with
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: the breach of bao. Their breach of bao will go
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: before the courts before your matter.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: It is true wrong to challenge those young people with
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the offense that they did.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Penalty Is there a penel if you breach your bail.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You get picked back up and you get before the court.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: So there is no it's an offense to breach your bail,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: get bought back in and you face the charge that
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: you weigh.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: So bail is a privilege. So if.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Is revoked and you go before the court on the
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: very charge that the victim is waiting to hear that
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: person charged with.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: All right, so just I guess for me to get
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it clear in my brain. So you're on bail, correct,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you get out, you steal a car? Correct, you get
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: charged with the theft of the car and you've also
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: been found to breach your bail. Do you go back
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: into don Dale or do you have to wait then
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to go to.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Go back to Remand Okay, so you are going back
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: to Remind and the numbers show you that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, So that's that part of it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Now, you did say that you're going to be looking
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: at what or you are already looking at what's going
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: on with the social media side of.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Things there we are.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you're looking at that what
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Queensland is doing right now to see whether it would
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: be effective in the Northern territory.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I know that they're looking at.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It investing that forty two million dollars additional.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: So heal two hundred and fifty million dollars plus plus
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: plus since the Row Commission in the space that they're
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: just catching up into police. Since they're catching up, we've
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: got extra one hundred million dollars going into police since
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. So we are actually ahead of Queensland. Queensine
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: have acknowledged that we're ahead. Queens Aline are actually looking
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: at what we're doing in the youth justice space. We're
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: building all the new youth justice facilities, We've got youth
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: work camps being built down in.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Places like the Barclay. We're actually ahead of Queensland.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So from your perspective at the moment, because I just
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: want I want listeners to be clear on this. You
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: feel as though what's happening at the moment in the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Northern territory is enough.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: But what you will look at is the social media.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: So we're looking at the social media component. We're also
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: looking and reviewing our breach of bail provisions to see
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: if they've got the art collect under review. Yes, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: that particular bail changes that we made, we said that
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: we would review that that is being reviewed. At the moment,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: it's very close to that review being finalized, so we've
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: got a lot of work going on in that space.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But certainly the social media stuff, you know, you see
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: what other people are doing in other jurisdictions and you
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: look at them and you assess whether they'd be applicable here.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: But certainly that's been an issue for us here.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: We know that young people put their their crimes if
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: you're like up online and it's notoriety, and that's really
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: sheltered them on and it's really appalling pace.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: And we want to.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Make sure that if you you brag about your crimes
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: on social media, I think that's the intent that there
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: can be an additional penalty for you.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: To go through.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I just want to correct something that the Minister said,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: which you said, when you use example about stealing a car,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you go back and remand that's actually incorrect because the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: legislation as it stands, talks about serious breach of bail,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: which is right, murder and serious hum. There's only those three.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It's only there's only those three things which actually talk
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: about a serious breach of bail. It's not not stealing
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a cart.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Reach of bail and you would get picked up on
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: that and you would go back.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Before you're wrong, before the thoughts all the time misleading.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: It's up to quite just about where these young people go.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: It's not will make a recommendation that that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Young person goes into remand so they recommend I just I.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Just want to give some information to listen. There is
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: also short Minister to Mement. I've just had a teacher
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: text me Tomment hasn't had two auxiliaris since mid last year.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: Oh well and I look at that, thank you, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: that's not my advice.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: And the other thing, well depends we get your advice
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: from Minister.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: In writing from the Department Education, not necessarily education.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: And also if the department, the same teacher said, if
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: the department and the union thinks auxiliary is a good idea,
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: then government's not listening to the people who want the
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: constables back, and that's the school boards and the teachers
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: talk to those people. The union represents teachers, but they're
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: not there in the schools every day.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: We are going to need to take a very quick break.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one O four nine's three six.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It is the week that was You are listening to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the week that was in the studio this morning's Jered
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Maylee keesy Aparic in Kate Warden.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Now, I do just want to take you well.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Talk about the fact that throughout the week we did
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: see a number of Northern Territory Police officers who were assaulted.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: So there was an attack in Daily River, so an
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: axe attack. The Northern Territory Police have now charged two
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: men following that disturbance. Two many aged twenty four and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: twenty five, were arrested on Monday and have since been
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: charged with aggravated assault, armed with an offensive weapon at night,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in danger occupants of a vehicle and recklessly in recklessly
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: in danger serious harm. Now they've both been bailed to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: appear in the local court on the eighth of March. Unfortunately,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: not the only situation. An officer was kicked in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: head and another spat on in Tenant Creek as I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: understand it, and there was well it was reported by
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the police secreteers were also thrown at officers in pine Lands. Look,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I just think it's disgraceful when you hear of this
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: kind of assault against our Northern Territory police officers. They're
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: at the front line through the week as well. We
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: spoke to the grandmother of one of those officers, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I've got to say it like it was it really,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you know, made you look at it differently, Like it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: just reminds you that police officers are somebody's dad. There's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: somebody's you know, son, there's somebody's as.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: You know, Jared better than ever.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I don't explain, but but you know, like it does
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just make you go, like it is incredibly frightening for
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: those families then to know that your husband's had an
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: axe thrown at him, or someone you've been they've been
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: spat on, and it like it was just really, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it put a real sort of different spin on things
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think of it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: And it donated as ault, absolutely, and it does ram
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: home just how challenging the job of a police officer is.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: And I go to plenty of graduations and see these
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: young fresh face you know, generally recruits coming through, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: they I think you can see in them though they
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: realize the sort of job that they've taken on. It
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: is a dangerous occupation. And we do see those, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: those really harsh circumstances for some of them, and that's why.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, we increased the penalties Katie around spitting up
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: to ten years last week in Parliament.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: With the act of attempting to disarm a police officer
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: six years jail.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: So there are some harsh penalties for that stuff, but
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: it doesn't take it away from the fact that it
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: is a you know, it can be a really challenging
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: occupation and you know, we really appreciate what all the
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: work that our police do.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: So I'm just rereading that. So both of them were bailed.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Then that had that had you know, assaulted those police
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: officers with an axe, throwing one through a window, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I know that one of them allegedly as understand a.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Court, Yeah, that's pretty wild though as a police I
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: would think would have put those charges in an applaced
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: bail as they should.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: But those are decisions of the court.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Remember, the courts interpret the law and the government's got
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the power to change laws as they see fit, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: if this government was serious about crime, they could easily
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: go and make some legislation changes to make sure the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: courts do the right thing. People out there are sick
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and tired of becoming victims of crime, going home seeing
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the house broken into coming to work seeing that their
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: business broken into trying to get the kids to school
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and all those things. And this is just a clear
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: result that the List Labor government have failed in their
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: attempts to try and keep territory and safe. And we
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: can go through crime figures and I'll see that some
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: new crime figures as just came out with Lisa, which
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I just seem to be like.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So it's actually the Police Association survey results. So so
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I do just want to have a look at these,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and I understand that everybody in this studio is seeing
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: this for the first time. None of us have actually
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: read these before, so I'll just go.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Glasses, well, let me read it through for you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So essentially, the Northern Territory Police Association, they've released the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: results from their latest member survey which confirms that our
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: members believe the Northern Territory Police Force is critical, understaffed
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and under resourced and members feel completely abandoned by the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory government. So the Northern Territory Police Association, Paul mcku,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: their president, said it's a damning assessment of the Northern
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Territory Police Force and the inaction of the Northern Territory
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Government to address critical concerns from our members. So in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: total there was one thy two hundred and two member responses,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: which is seventy four percent survey of the membership and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it's the highest ever return rate of a survey. A
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: total of one than six hundred and thirty two members
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: were eligible to take part in the survey. So it's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: shown ninety seven point six percent of respondents do not
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: believe there are enough police.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: To do what's asked of them.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Eighty point seven percent rated morale as low or very low,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: ninety six point seven percent do not feel supported by
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government, eighty six point eight percent support
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a work to Rule industrial campaign and eighty five point
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: three percent have conceived did an exit strategy from the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Force in the last six to twelve months. Minister,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: just upon hearing that, yep, what is your response?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: My response is are you going to resign?
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Well, that's your usual thing to say, and how can
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: I tell you can tell you when I talk to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: people out they actually think it's laughable whenever you do
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: What is your response to those survey results?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: So very disappoin it's disappointed, obviously disappointing as the minister,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the line minister for it. It shows me there's a
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: hell of a lot of work to be done and
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: we've got to continue to have that work. I have
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: a very good relationship that I've built over the last
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: you know, six months since I have been the minister
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: with Paul McHugh. We do meet regularly. Obviously we need
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to have a catch up and go through this again.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: The devil's in the detail on these and I saw
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: that last time with the survey. But absolutely I have
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: no I will not back away from the space that
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you read that front line not enough to do what's
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: asked of them. We have to make sure that all
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: our government agencies are stepping up and working together to us.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: To support our police because that's.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: You know, often we'll find police coming out to do
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: the jobs that should be doing being done by other people.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: You know, there's some good examples. This week. I've actually
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: written to the Council.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: They've got a section one by Law one O three
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: that says that you know, people can't live in their spaces,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: they're not allowed to and you know, and I have
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: called on the Council.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: They need to move peace council.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: So if the Darwin Council, City Council, Yeah, by Law
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: one O three means that people are not allowed to
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: live in their parks. And I think that they've really
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: dropped the ball in that they dispute that they think
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: that there's not enough homeless you know, homeless services, all
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: But well, I guess that other people would also argue
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: there's people drinking in those parts as well, which is
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a police response.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: But what we to make sure is that there's a
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: whole range of work done by other agencies to step
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: into the space and support them.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: So what's want to be done with these results? Because
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I know that last time? So what are we going
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to do with these results? Because last time there was
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a survey it was damning, It was absolutely damning, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it was damning towards the police commissioner. I know that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there's not been no question in this one by the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: look of things, about whether the.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Offices there could be It's just.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: My understanding as they didn't ask that. I listened to
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: an interview the other day with Paul Mcue. They didn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: ask that question this time. What I need yep, But
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I need to go back and meet there's, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: with Paul Mcue again and talk about and unpack some
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: of the reasons because there's this is a highlight underneath
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: that is a whole heap of reasons and things. I
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: need to make sure that there's things in the agency
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: underway to address where those that if the devil is
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: in that detail, make sure that those things are in
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: just so the well being stuff is that being rolled
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: out fast enough. Let's make sure because we have the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: chaplain Some of the last surveys were about getting chaplains
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: and all of those in. We've made sure that that's
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: all happened. We've got chaplains in those places. So I
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: need to make sure that under each of these there's
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: enough work going on that can turn this around.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Katie.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: The same Mark Casey, Sergeant Mark Casey would not have help.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, twenty five years in the police force and
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: from a yes police family. He spoke out and I
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: don't know, he wrote something about the cart force, so
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: he's expressing his personal opinion. And sure, police, like lots
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: of other uniform people, have certain codes of conduct they
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: must adbide to. But sometimes it just gets to the
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: point of tipping over. Now, for someone like him to
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: do what he did meant that he was at the
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: end of his tether. Rather than talk with the man
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: as to why he did it, they put him on
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: and know what you call it, leave it out pay
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: for ten months he's been on live without pay. Now,
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: I know this fellow and I've spoken with him, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: of course we know his father.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Jared and I.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: So you know, this mental health well being stuff that
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: they talk about within the police force. I don't think
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: it really exists because they cast him a drift. They
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: cast sack role for drift. Zack Rolf never met with
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: the Police Commission. He never reached out to him in
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: any shape or form.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: There's tricky situations because it was a court case and
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: all that, but.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: That's finished now.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: No one in that police force reached out to him
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: at all in regards to mental health well being. No
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: one reached out to Mark Casey during the time he
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: was on leave without pay.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Need change and they have to change.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of things, definitely pretty crappy leadership
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: from the second and you know, like when you're actually
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: when you sort of break it all down. Obviously there's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: concerns from the community at the moment when it comes
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to crime, all levels of crime, whether you're talking about
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: youth crime, whether you're talking about alcohol related crime, they are.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And you've also though, got a situation though, where the police.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Are clearly at their wits end.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, looking at these survey results, they're at their
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: wits end. Something is going to need to change pretty drastically,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I would think, to ensure that morale within the force
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: is turned around. Kate, do you think that it is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: falling short here? Does it come down to the leadership.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And creates some one more question, Kay, can you also
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: explain number three ninety six point seven. Please do not
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: feel supported by anti government likely fear your response in
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: relation to that one.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Of course you do, and I'm reading it for the
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: first time myself this morning.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Of course I'm so.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Of course, I'm disappointed that that's how police on the
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: frontline feel and that's my job to make sure that
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: we can turn that around. I've just outlined the sorts
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: of activities that happen. I will be talking hopefully with
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Paul mccub by the end of today and have a
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: chat around where they think and unpack the details that
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: are sitting underneath These are high level information where there's
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: a full report that sits underneath it, which will hopefully
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: articulate some of the areas that that's happening in.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And I do need to go.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Back over and review all of the things that are
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: happening so I can be assured that the work is underway,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: and if it's not, I'll make sure that it is.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: That's my commitment very specifically, Kate, Look, I have you
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: know I'm working with Jamie Chalker and his executive group.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: There is some really dedicated police in that space. It's
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: something that I have to.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Address in what way.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: That's a very tricky question, Katie, that you're putting me
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: on the spot with we gave you gave me these
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: survey results two minutes ago. I need to tell everything
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: that I have asked of the Police executive to date
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: has been done.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: They have.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: I am continuing to work in that space to make
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: sure that we're in agreement. Can I say that the
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: police is not like any other public service organization which
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: comes under the plasma. They have the Police Administration Act
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: as the Minister. You can't overlease, overstep the line. There
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: are very very tight lines around the difference between myself
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: and the executive.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: The executive are their.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Operational I can as as they should be, and that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: why there is a Police Administration Act. They don't come
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: under the Public Sector Act, so there is that. I'm
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: not a trained police officer, that is not my background,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: so it's it's actually really important that you have that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: But I acknowledge that we have a long way to
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: go and there's a hell of a lot of work
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: ahead of us. And I have to tell you I
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: have never been afraid of hard work, working bloody hard
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: on it. At the moment, I am listening to people
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: on the front line, and I'm out all the time
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: meeting our police on the frontline and listening to what
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: they've got to say. So whilst we got the information
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: from the Police Association, it's critical that I keep my
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: eyes on and make sure that the things that are
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: going to make a difference in the space, that have
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: been committed to me by the executive actually get delivered.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It's okay, are you saying that the previous policemans have
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: failed in her job.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I didn't say no, you're just playing politics.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I am going to try and get the police Association
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: on at some point throughout this morning to see if
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: we can get some further details. So we'll make sure
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that we do that. We will take a very quick break.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the cities, of course, the week that wasn't in the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: studio with us this morning. We've got Kate Warden, Keesy
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Epirican Jared Maylee. Now over the weekend, we know that
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the COLP obviously held their Central Council meeting and it
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was determined that they would formally oppose the voice. Now
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: no word at this point in time, Jared, what exactly
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: is the parliamentary when going to do I believe that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you'd said that at this point you're still sort of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: determining whether you do or don't support it, sitting.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where our position hasn't changed. What we're saying is
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that that the government have got to go out there
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: and give the information to people right across the Northern
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: territory so they can make an informed decision. Can we
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: know that this is not a vote in our in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: our parliament, certainly not a vote in the fund of pilment.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yet it's a referendum.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Are you getting.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Let you talk so now, So what we're trying to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: do is make sure that this LaVey government do their
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: job and go out there and make everyone have an
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: informed decision by giving the information any a.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Situation, even a situation at the moment though within the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: CLP where your parliamentary leader Leofano you know does does
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in theory, you.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: Know, support but wants more detail. But then you're in principle.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry, but your senator obviously is totally opposed to.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: The face of the no campaign, Jared. But how about
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: then if you step outside the CLP, what are you
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: going to vote? You've got You've got Aboriginal kids. I've
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: got Aboriginal kids. How do you see their representation in
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: the Federal Parliament?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Are you going to vote yes for the voice or not?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I see their representation by you? Just like to know
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: our parliament up here is that if you want to
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: get elected, you can go. We've got four or five
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal members in our parliament. In fact, last week in parliament,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the Member for Traditional Traditional Owner he tried to bring
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: in an amendment to the including the Treaty. In this
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Labor government this going. He voted it down. They voted
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: down a listening to sways about listening to originals.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: For your kids to have a want more information.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Put her hand on.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: I want to I want to point out a couple
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: of things, both to Kate and also degenerate. Well, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: think someone's picked it up and I've looked at it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: The Labor government said they fully supported the Ularus statement.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: This Labor government, and that's fine, that's their business. In
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: that Ularus statement it talks about a treaty commission and
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: it talks about treaty. That's exactly what Member from Olka
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: Mark Gouler put in his amendments to the territory motion
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: that to have a treaty and a commission. Now, the
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Labor government had already supported it because they said they
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: supported the Ulu statement and then they voted his amendments down.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: But that's not part of a referendum. We were. What
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: we brought into parliament was about the referendum. And to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: the voice and Jared saying no, Katie, I will put
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: on the record and I think I've spoken to you
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: before about this. I won't be voting for it right
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: now because and I know a lot of people in
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: my electorate are not going to vote for it because
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: there is just not enough information.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: There's the Karma and Marcia Langton report and I've got
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: it and I've started to read it, and it's pretty
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: scary because they're talking about layers and layers of representation
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: and regional councils, which is another big less of bureaucracy.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Look, I have here. We've got the other thing, Katie.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Just for listeners benefit, I'll repeat it again. There are
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: ninety no, what are there? Ninety land councils across the country.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Are four in the territory in their statutory which means
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: they will always exist. They get money regardless. There are
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: two thy seven hundred Aboriginal associations across this country in
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: shapes or forms. There are eleven members in the federal
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Parliament who identifies Abiginal tristrate is in the people, which
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: represents about five point seven percent of all federal in peace. Okay,
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: there are three point seven percent Aboriginal people rostatus in
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: our country, so three present in the territory. Yeah, that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: we know that, that's a given. I'm talking about a
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: federal parliament. This is the voice to the federal partent.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: They are well represented Abriginal try state of people and
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: three from the territory into the federal partent already.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: So what's this voice going to give us that we
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: shouldn't already be getting a direct line onto policy.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: And they're going to think too blind into the federal
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: cabinet unelected people.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: That's what concerns.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Without any I think the thing is that there's obviously
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: lots of differing opinions when it does come to the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: voice and whether people will or will not support it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly why you have a referendum, because you've
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: got the opportunity then to have your voice. But what
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I do want to know Jared, is how do you
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: think it's going to impact the CLP when it comes
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to something like the r.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: If you're a by election, Because it is going to
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: be a wedge.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It is going to be a situation where the Labor
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Party can basically go out and go well, the COLP
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: aren't supporting a voice for Aboriginal people.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Well, if the Labor government are going to weaponize this
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and try and use it to their advantage, shame on them.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: This is a referendum for the Voice. This is a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: referendum for people across Australia. Everyone has one vote and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: if the Labor government want to go out and weaponize
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: it and try and use it to attack the CELP,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: shame on them again and again and again because it
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: is embarrassing if they do that. They need to go
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: out there and talk about issues that right across the territory,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: crime and social behavior, health, roads, all those they're the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: people who are listening to your show a lot, Katie,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and that's what people ringing about. They don't ring about
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the Voice and it's sold.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: It's not about weaponizing. It's actually about a point of difference.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: So it's about values of the party that you're voting in.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: So when you talk about labor and Labor talking in
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the ARA for you'r by election, one of the things
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: we stand for is people will know that as individuals
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: within our party, we will be voting yes for the Voice.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: That's really important for people to know. People on this
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: show now know that Jered is going to vote is
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: fence sitting and he won't come out and say yes
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: to the Voice for his family as well.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: That's a real shame right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: My family into it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: That's offensive.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: That is offensive to me, And don't bring my family
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: into it, because I get really angry if you bring
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: my family into a debate this is about.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, fine, look, let's take a bit of
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: a p We have just got a couple of minutes
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: left when we do come back, but let's take a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: bit of a break because I do want to very
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: briefly talk about the library.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: And it being moved that Kesi Epyri could raise. It'll
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: be very quick. You're listening to mix before we wrap
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: up though.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Kezi Epuric, the member for Goid, She joined us on
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the show earlier in the week as well and spoke
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: about the fact that the library, the Northern Territory Library,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it is going to be moving.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: You'd raise concerns about there not being consultation. The government
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: did come back to me with a bit of a
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: response and they had said that they are coordinating that
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: move and that it was first announced back in twenty
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: eighteen in a community consultation process about the design of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the library and its future services, collections and programs occurred
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: We must have been asleep maybe when they're announcing.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: It consultation, Kate asked as Innister Kate asked about look
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: at Minister case to Katie looking behind the police survey
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: the methodology was used.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I will ask the government what methodology is in
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: your consultation in.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Twenty eighteen because I was around there. I am a
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: regular user of the library. The Parliamentary Librarian k has
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: never said anything to any of us, and I must
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: explain to listeners. The Northern Territory Library, for those who
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: from me to state, is like the State Reference Library,
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: and it's the repository of everything to do with the
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Northern Territory, whether it be history or culture, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: Chinese history, Aboriginal history, whichever. But what concerns me was
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: the fact that of the costah, I mean if there
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: was an.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: NDA given me any costs at this point.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: And what is in the Northern Territory Library is an
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: exhibition called Territory Stories, which cost a fabulous amount of money.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: Took it together and it is really a good exhibition.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: So presumably that's moving as well. And so the cost,
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: I think there's going to be no change out of
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: hundreds and hundreds of thousand, that's one part of it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: Why are you moving it when you don't really need to,
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: and then the cost of being over there, and the
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: Parliamentary Library uses and works closely with the Northern churchid
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: Library for memorians not moving.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: So the Parliamentary Service is staying.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: But to say that they did consultation in twenty eighteen,
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying they didn't, but I'd like to see
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: what consultation they did.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's clean now.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: I will have to just be correct that I think
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: the consultation was done in twenty one. The decision was
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: made in twenty eighteen, but the consultation was done in
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Is the university campus agreed to in twenty eighteen? No,
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: but I think so how can they move a library
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: to the university campus when the decision to have the
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: university campus hadn't even been you'll.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Get that with your questions, I'm sure when you find
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: your answers.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: But I think that one of the things by moving
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: its adding us and growth of this because they are
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: quite limited in the space that they've got where they
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: currently are.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: So that's one of the big, big driver positions. I'll
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: give you that. There are lots of space issues and
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: maybe we should move some people off the fifth floor
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: before the library.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Really nice people on the Feestoral Parliament House in community
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: based people, really people.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: Right across the board house.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: The only Parliament in Australia where the executive is housed
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: in the parliament.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only Parliament in Australia with the Executive House
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: in the pulk.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: So yeah, think about if we could move the executive
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: out into a commercial building.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: One, it will help the commercial building.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: And two would have that fabulous space out there that
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: we could rent out at a fortune, I.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Think, minister.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to we are going
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to have to get ready to wrap up for the hour.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: We are like we're doing feb fit here at Mixwallow
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: four point nine at the moment. Now Kesey Epuric is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in a very fierce competition with my producer Crystal and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the now she's got heating, she's got her exercise shoes
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: on today they're a pair of bright songs.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: She's ready to go going out on.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Her going out fancy. Now we are going to have
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to wrap up. Jarre Mainley, the Deputy Oppiceition lead, thanks.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: So much for your time this morning.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, And we're going to get you on.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Coming.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Casy your parent in independent member for going to thank you.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And Kate Warden, the Minister of the Territory, Families and Police,
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  Speaker 1: thanks so much for you.
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  Speaker 3: It's tity to be and Micky thanks, thank you.