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Fetid Smells and Debate on Nostalgia · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 82 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So we have a particular word that was mentioned by a particular listener that it might be a good vocabulary word, and this word was recently a Wordle word.
• 0:46
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 0:47
  I Hate Talking: So that word is fetid, fetid, F E T.
• 0:54
  I Hate Talking: ID ID ID you did have the correct number of letters because maybe you thought Wordle only has 5 letters, so it does, right?
• 1:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- that is -- correct.
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: Did you use that as your prompt for spelling it correctly or incorrectly, but at least the right number of letters.
• 1:10
  I Hate Talking: No, but I did know, and like as I was spelling it, I knew I was on the right track for 5 letters.
• 1:17
  I Hate Talking: -- 5 -- letters.
• 1:17
  I Hate Talking: So 5 letters did come into your mind.
• 1:19
  I Hate Talking: I did.
• 1:20
  I Hate Talking: -- How many letters that is -- it because of Wordle, yeah, yes, OK.
• 1:24
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it did.
• 1:27
  I Hate Talking: So I think I solved it in 5 tries.
• 1:30
  I Hate Talking: So it did take me a while, but I also randomized my starter words.
• 1:36
  I Hate Talking: So I think perhaps that day I had a starter word that was not very helpful.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: My starter word, I mean, I haven't played in about a year or two, but I was consistent for a long while.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: My starter word would not have been helpful.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 1:51
  I Hate Talking: Well, I am currently on an 87 day streak.
• 1:57
  I Hate Talking: Nice.
• 1:58
  I Hate Talking: My max streak is 257.
• 2:00
  I Hate Talking: And I have played 1,211 times.
• 2:05
  I Hate Talking: How many days is that?
• 2:07
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I know how many days, but how many like years?
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's at least 3 years, 3.5 years, I guess.
• 2:14
  I Hate Talking: Do you want the exact number?
• 2:16
  I Hate Talking: Sure, OK.
• 2:18
  I Hate Talking: -- As -- I'm staring at you blankly trying to do the math.
• 2:23
  I Hate Talking: 3.3 years.
• 2:25
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:26
  I Hate Talking: And 99% of those have been wins, but it only goes to, well, 0 decimal places in the win percentage.
• 2:37
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- can we pause on and talk about Wordle for a second?
• 2:40
  I Hate Talking: Uh, when it first started.
• 2:42
  I Hate Talking: It was a thing.
• 2:44
  I Hate Talking: We were super into it every day, and I had this straight for, I don't know, over 100 days, maybe, maybe 90 something days.
• 2:53
  I Hate Talking: It was not 100, it was like 90 something days, and I lost for the first time.
• 2:58
  I Hate Talking: And the word was something.
• 3:00
  I Hate Talking: I don't even remember what it was, but it was something about losing or failure.
• 3:04
  I Hate Talking: Remember because I shared that on social media and how people were like, that's super ironic indeed, uh, and then after that I just never got my love for it back.
• 3:15
  I Hate Talking: I tried.
• 3:16
  I Hate Talking: And I've never had a word all in one.
• 3:19
  I Hate Talking: Still trying to do that.
• 3:20
  I Hate Talking: -- I -- did once, yeah, one of our kids did, -- and one of our kids did also because -- they use the same starter word, and it happened to be that word because no offense to him, but that starter word that he uses or had used in the past was not a very good starter word, but it worked out for the 11 day that it was the actual word.
• 3:41
  I Hate Talking: You started it 3 years ago.
• 3:46
  I Hate Talking: He was little.
• 3:47
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 3:48
  I Hate Talking: It was a good word for him, but now we need to encourage a different word since it's not gonna be that word anymore.
• 3:55
  I Hate Talking: So, well, I mean, I guess it could be if this goes on for decades at some point.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't think it's ever been the same word yet.
• 4:04
  I Hate Talking: There are some theories out there that we're getting close to the point where they're going to have to start reusing words or adding words to the solution list, OK.
• 4:14
  I Hate Talking: So, fetid is on the solution list.
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  I Hate Talking: It was the word, and it is a word that means Stinking or having an offensive odor, and it comes from Latin.
• 4:30
  I Hate Talking: And the particular original Latin word was fir, and that came to be used as fetidus or hotius and then became used as fetid in the late Middle English.
• 4:46
  I Hate Talking: Now there are some theories that this particular word feet or fetidus was related to Latin words for dung, which was femi.
• 5:00
  I Hate Talking: Or smoke which was fumis.
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  I Hate Talking: So, as you're saying the word, it reminds me of like fetish.
• 5:08
  I Hate Talking: Is there any relation to that?
• 5:11
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so, but we can check.
• 5:15
  I Hate Talking: No, fetish actually is a Portuguese term.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: But does go back to Latin before that to a word factitious meaning made by art, but the Portuguese like co-opted that term.
• 5:34
  I Hate Talking: And shifted that to artificial objects.
• 5:38
  I Hate Talking: OK, so cause when you're explaining, how do you pronounce the word again?
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  I Hate Talking: Fetid fetid.
• 5:46
  I Hate Talking: I feel like it almost sounds like you could twist it into a fetish, so that's when my brain's like, oh yeah, fetid fetish.
• 5:55
  I Hate Talking: Uh, no, no, I think you're making a mistake that a lot of English speakers make and actually a lot of podcasters because just they, because they think that the word is different by two letters or quote unquote sounds the same that it must be related, but It is not, and it oftentimes is not.
• 6:17
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: So, there is some commentary around the difference between fetid and putrid.
• 6:27
  I Hate Talking: So, as I've already said, fetid is perhaps more related to dung or smoke, and putrid is another particular word that describes some foul smelling odor.
• 6:42
  I Hate Talking: But that typically refers to things like rotting organic matter, so rotting food or dead animals or something like that, where fetid is gonna be perhaps more related to these general smells of even bad breath is one of the examples here.
• 7:05
  I Hate Talking: You could have fetid breath.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: So like, dude, go brush your teeth, your breath is fetid.
• 7:12
  I Hate Talking: Yes, -- I suppose -- so.
• 7:14
  I Hate Talking: So, this reminds me, we've mentioned before that we're casually learning Japanese, which is a very difficult language for an English speaker to learn.
• 7:26
  I Hate Talking: And one word we've learned lately is basa, which means uncool.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: And so I've been trying to get the kids, our children, to say Dasa.
• 7:37
  I Hate Talking: Instead of like stupid or dumb and things like that, when they don't like something like I'm so bored, it's like dude, say that's docile.
• 7:47
  I Hate Talking: It just seems, I mean, maybe Japanese, if you're a Japanese speaker and that's not appropriate, let me know.
• 7:53
  I Hate Talking: But it seems, if it just means uncool.
• 7:57
  I Hate Talking: It seems a better way to explain that you don't like something.
• 8:01
  I Hate Talking: And being like, oh, that's so stupid.
• 8:04
  I Hate Talking: Just be like, hey, that's aa, I don't wanna do that.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: And so that kind of reminds me of another option we can give them.
• 8:10
  I Hate Talking: Instead of saying like that's disgusting.
• 8:13
  I Hate Talking: Or that's gross, which can hurt people's feelings, saying like that's side, dude, I don't wanna eat that.
• 8:21
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's a good suggestion, I suppose.
• 8:24
  I Hate Talking: Maybe that will be the new hip lexicon that people can catch on to and for whatever generation is the next generation, they can be.
• 8:33
  I Hate Talking: Dasai or kokoi and that will be uncool or cool.
• 8:40
  I Hate Talking: Now, does Japanese have a modifier?
• 8:43
  I Hate Talking: I haven't gotten this far in the learning, I suppose, where they just put a on before the word, so like something's cool or uncool.
• 8:54
  I Hate Talking: Do they have a modifier that completely reverses the word?
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: I, I mean, I'm not, I'm a little bit further along in my studies.
• 9:03
  I Hate Talking: But I'm not an expert by far, and I, I don't think they do.
• 9:07
  I Hate Talking: I think it's an absolute different word.
• 9:09
  I Hate Talking: But I might be wrong, so tell me if I am, or we can look it up, I guess.
• 9:14
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 9:15
  I Hate Talking: -- So I'm not -- aware of this, but I mean it's not completely out of the question because certainly English has words that are opposite or antonyms, right?
• 9:27
  I Hate Talking: So I think, so have you learned the word ginnitus, right?
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: That's like not this thing, right?
• 9:33
  I Hate Talking: So like this is like this.
• 9:36
  I Hate Talking: But Ginnitis, ginitis is not that.
• 9:43
  I Hate Talking: So, so you could say Janais Kakoi and that is the same as dasai.
• 9:49
  I Hate Talking: Yes, this is not theoretically, right.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I think you could say that, or you could just say that site.
• 9:57
  I Hate Talking: I mean, it's like English, right?
• 10:00
  I Hate Talking: Like you could say, this thing is not cool, you could say that's so uncool.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: Uncool uncool, yeah, that's what I mean.
• 10:09
  I Hate Talking: It's like one singular word.
• 10:10
  I Hate Talking: It's the actual word is modified by that.
• 10:15
  I Hate Talking: So maybe they do, but I know, yeah, at the ending it'd be this or ginnitus.
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 10:22
  I Hate Talking: Much more to learn about Japanese and probably still more to learn about English.
• 10:27
  I Hate Talking: So we were recently camping and I think our campsite was sort of fetid.
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: Really?
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: I liked where we camped.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: Explain.
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: Well, it certainly was a very nice campground.
• 10:39
  I Hate Talking: We had bathrooms that were very convenient, located not too far, not too close.
• 10:46
  I Hate Talking: Normally we have to go maybe 1 mile or so for showers and bathrooms.
• 10:51
  I Hate Talking: This was just a small walk.
• 10:53
  I Hate Talking: And do you feel this way?
• 10:55
  I Hate Talking: I had a discussion with the people we were camping with.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: We feel like everything was brand new, it still had tags on it, but they maybe bought it for our group.
• 11:05
  I Hate Talking: No, it was constructed in April.
• 11:08
  I Hate Talking: So the tags were just still on from April.
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: Yes, OK, -- so it just hasn't been used much -- though.
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: I think we may have been like the 2nd or 3rd group to ever use that since April.
• 11:19
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- it was brand new.
• 11:21
  I Hate Talking: Uh, one of our kids, it was still like a trailer with like 2 stalls in it, one shower for boys and girls, right?
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: Was that how it was situated.
• 11:32
  I Hate Talking: Our one child was like, this makes me feel rich.
• 11:36
  I Hate Talking: And it just cracked me and the other women up, cause obviously we're camping, and these are essentially just high-end porta potties, but like, they were very nice and freshly painted, and the curtains were brand new, like, or new within 6 months, I guess.
• 11:55
  I Hate Talking: So he felt very rich staying there.
• 11:59
  I Hate Talking: So I wanna know why you think it's Now I'm sick on fetish.
• 12:04
  I Hate Talking: What is the word?
• 12:04
  I Hate Talking: Fetid, fetid.
• 12:06
  I Hate Talking: Why do you think it's fetid when our child thought we were rich.
• 12:10
  I Hate Talking: So I do agree it was very nice accommodations for camping and camping, car camping still.
• 12:18
  I Hate Talking: Yes, and there was plenty of room for tents, and we had our fire ring and main campfire area, plenty of room to set up all the particular amenities that we brought with us, such as cooking areas and things like that.
• 12:37
  I Hate Talking: And then we did have the campfire.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: Now, we only burned wood and that had the iconic campfire smoke.
• 12:48
  I Hate Talking: But every once in a while, the wind would blow.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: And you didn't ever have a whiff of the particular septic tank.
• 12:57
  I Hate Talking: No, I never noticed it.
• 13:00
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, you must have been upwind of that the entire time then.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: Oh no, where was the septic tank?
• 13:06
  I Hate Talking: Where was the stench coming from?
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: Well, from the fancy bathrooms, because I was on a septic tank system.
• 13:13
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and every once in a while you would smell it.
• 13:16
  I Hate Talking: And I never noticed.
• 13:18
  I Hate Talking: Interesting, OK.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: And then that would mix with the campfire smoke, and that is, according to our research.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: Potentially, the literal definition of fetid is smoke and poop.
• 13:31
  I Hate Talking: Well there you go.
• 13:34
  I Hate Talking: You didn't want to teach that to the kids, huh?
• 13:37
  I Hate Talking: I didn't do this research until after the time, and actually I think the Wordle may have been after the camp out as well.
• 13:43
  I Hate Talking: Oh really?
• 13:43
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 13:43
  I Hate Talking: It is -- very -- recent.
• 13:46
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 13:47
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's funny.
• 13:49
  I Hate Talking: I did, I'm glad I didn't notice.
• 13:51
  I Hate Talking: It was actually a farther distance than we typically travel with our scout troop, but I would, I mean, I told everyone I'd camp here again, like, it was really nice.
• 14:03
  I Hate Talking: There's a creek, but it's not like any water nearly, that the kids would like have to step over the stones to get across and It was just a really nice area and it was beautiful with the fall leaves and the bathrooms that made us feel rich.
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: So luckily I didn't notice any fetid smells.
• 14:25
  I Hate Talking: That's good.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: But we also had running water at our campsite, which we often don't have.
• 14:31
  I Hate Talking: Yup, we did have the nice little iconic stream and the running water, which, I mean, like we had water, drinking water, -- drinking -- water, that's true.
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: Yes, sometimes we have to drive to fill up water containers and replenish those.
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: This was on site as well, and the bathrooms had hot water, hot water, and it was actually hot.
• 14:55
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, this is gonna say more about me than I probably should share.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: But when we camp, it's usually just 2 nights, so I don't shower or anything.
• 15:05
  I Hate Talking: I like to use wipies, you know, we're camping and it's pretty primitive.
• 15:09
  I Hate Talking: But me and some of the women all agreed that had we known these accommodations, we would have brought in shower stuff and I would have totally taken a shower.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: I have no desire to hike 1 mile.
• 15:21
  I Hate Talking: A shower in this open area and ice cold water, so I don't normally bring shampoo and stuff like that.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: But this was hot water and just a few feet from my tent.
• 15:34
  I Hate Talking: So wherever you go, you don't travel in a way that's prepared to shower?
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I have soap, we have soap.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: So yes, I wash, I can wash my body like sponge wash.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't bring shampoo and conditioner.
• 15:49
  I Hate Talking: And makeup remover and gel and a razor.
• 15:54
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 15:55
  I Hate Talking: I guess that's the difference even then in you don't I shower.
• 16:01
  I Hate Talking: I always have a bar of soap and a towel.
• 16:04
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's what I have as well, that's enough to shower, not when your hair is in the middle of your back.
• 16:11
  I Hate Talking: And you have to shave.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't think you have -- to.
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: Well, exactly, I don't.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: But I could have, is the point.
• 16:20
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that's the most important thing that you can learn from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that you always have a towel.
• 16:26
  I Hate Talking: We did, yeah, we did.
• 16:29
  I Hate Talking: And so, and that's enough for me to shower, although I did not during this camping trip either, but I was prepared to.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: We did have towels and we lost one.
• 16:40
  I Hate Talking: We needed it to clean up a big mess.
• 16:42
  I Hate Talking: And you and I discussed it and decided to get rid of the towel there due to the mess we had to clean up.
• 16:49
  I Hate Talking: But that towels been with us for our entire marriage.
• 16:54
  I Hate Talking: So I mean, -- it's did we have a little ceremony as we were laying it to rest in the -- trash?
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: I kind of did.
• 17:00
  I Hate Talking: I was like, good job.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: You've done so well over these years.
• 17:04
  I Hate Talking: It really has done us so good.
• 17:08
  I Hate Talking: We only what, maybe got 4 towels when we got married, I think 4.
• 17:12
  I Hate Talking: That's what I'd guess.
• 17:13
  I Hate Talking: Well, 4 like bath towels, and I think it came with the.
• 17:16
  I Hate Talking: Subsequent set of hand towels and -- and -- washcloths, yes, full size bath towels.
• 17:22
  I Hate Talking: So I think we had 4 and we still have them.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: I mean now we have 3 plus we've added through the years, but those initial ones have still been my favorite.
• 17:32
  I Hate Talking: They're still the softest, most absorbent and beautiful.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: Well there you go.
• 17:38
  I Hate Talking: And to clarify, it was not our mess.
• 17:40
  I Hate Talking: -- We were cleaning up other people's mess -- because we had to toss it.
• 17:42
  I Hate Talking: -- That's what -- leaders do.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it was not our mess, but we willingly and kindly cleared, cleaned up someone else's.
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: I also, in hindsight, shouldn't have brought those.
• 17:52
  I Hate Talking: Those are not our best towels, quote unquote.
• 17:57
  I Hate Talking: So I brought them.
• 17:58
  I Hate Talking: They're over 16 years old.
• 17:59
  I Hate Talking: Uh, you know, maybe I should have brought more ragged towels.
• 18:04
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 18:05
  I Hate Talking: Now we know for next time.
• 18:06
  I Hate Talking: Just bring all the towels.
• 18:08
  I Hate Talking: All of them?
• 18:10
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: I, I mean, essentially, you probably don't have as many as some, but We have quite a few.
• 18:17
  I Hate Talking: -- We do -- have a few.
• 18:18
  I Hate Talking: We need to bring the little ones, like, we have uh Paw Patrol towels and stuff.
• 18:25
  I Hate Talking: Those are what I should have brought, cause our kids are outgrown Paw Patrol and made her from cars.
• 18:32
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 18:33
  I Hate Talking: You would not need to have a memorial service for those towels.
• 18:36
  I Hate Talking: Oh, maybe more so though, cause I have so many memories with our children in them.
• 18:41
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 18:41
  I Hate Talking: I found, um, as we're talking about that.
• 18:45
  I Hate Talking: I found, I was cleaning out our office today, going through a bunch of stuff, and I found one of our kids' favorite toys.
• 18:56
  I Hate Talking: I got rid, I gave away a bunch of their cars stuff, cause we've outgrown it.
• 19:02
  I Hate Talking: And we knew some people that would really love it and so we uh let them have it, but I found one of them still laying around.
• 19:11
  I Hate Talking: My heart was so happy, just remembering how much joy our children had with Mader.
• 19:17
  I Hate Talking: And Holly Schiffwell and.
• 19:22
  I Hate Talking: -- Who's the main -- guy?
• 19:25
  I Hate Talking: Lightning McQueenkchowchow.
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: So I found that and I was like, oh, I'm glad I have this because we can keep one of them as a sentimental thing.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 19:39
  I Hate Talking: And then you can pass it on to them and they can share it with their wives and children.
• 19:45
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, hopefully they enjoy it.
• 19:47
  I Hate Talking: As we're speaking of that, I heard a quote.
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: You wanna hear it?
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: Do I have a choice?
• 19:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you always have a choice.
• 19:55
  I Hate Talking: OK, sure, tell me the quote.
• 19:57
  I Hate Talking: We live in America, a free country.
• 20:00
  I Hate Talking: Maybe I don't know.
• 20:01
  I Hate Talking: The government shutdown.
• 20:03
  I Hate Talking: SNAP benefits are ending.
• 20:04
  I Hate Talking: Who knows what's gonna happen in 3 days?
• 20:07
  I Hate Talking: People are gonna be stealing each other's groceries, shooting each other at work and schools.
• 20:12
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK.
• 20:14
  I Hate Talking: -- We have little kids that listen to -- this.
• 20:16
  I Hate Talking: OK, sorry, I went down a dark corner when you started talking about America.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: America, we love it.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: We put our hands over our heart and pledge to it.
• 20:27
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 20:29
  I Hate Talking: OK, we're all OK, y'all, and if you're not.
• 20:32
  I Hate Talking: Messages we can help.
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: OK, so should I go to this or the other thing as well.
• 20:37
  I Hate Talking: Wherever you wanna go, you're in a free country apparently.
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, I'll go to this.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: I wrote it down because I wanted to remember it.
• 20:45
  I Hate Talking: It was by a playwrightter named Richard Greenberg.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: And he said, nostalgia is just a longing for a time we know we can survive.
• 20:55
  I Hate Talking: It it made me think of that when we're talking like I found that Lightning McQueen.
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: I was like, oh, those times were so great and I love cars and Lightning McQueen.
• 21:06
  I Hate Talking: But it was an interesting concept of, it's just a time that we know we can survive, right?
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: Like, we look back now, we're like, oh, those were great times, even if we were in them and sleep deprived and exhausted.
• 21:21
  I Hate Talking: And struggling with all these different things, we can look back now.
• 21:27
  I Hate Talking: And I think that every generation can kind of do that.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: Like you look at the 20s, and you're like, 0, 1920 was amazing, flappers and stuff.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: But actually they had that flu and they had, like, you know, like there's so many things, the war and all those horrible things that happened.
• 21:46
  I Hate Talking: But you just pick out your favorite things and so it's a.
• 21:51
  I Hate Talking: Time, so nostalgia is a time that you long for cause you know you can survive it.
• 21:58
  I Hate Talking: It's scary when you don't know what's coming in the future.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: But when you pass something, you're like, oh, I've done that, I can do that again, really hit me hard.
• 22:08
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 22:10
  I Hate Talking: Where did you hear this quote?
• 22:11
  I Hate Talking: -- You wanna -- know?
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: It's probably just Instagram or something.
• 22:15
  I Hate Talking: No, I've been binging y'all, OK.
• 22:18
  I Hate Talking: Listen to our podcast, but also you can listen to Josh Radner has a podcast on how I made your mother, is what his podcast is called.
• 22:31
  I Hate Talking: It is a recap.
• 22:33
  I Hate Talking: He plays Ted on How I Met Your Mother.
• 22:36
  I Hate Talking: And he goes through, he's doing a rewatch episode by episode on How I Met Your Mother, the TV show.
• 22:43
  I Hate Talking: And he did a play for this gentleman.
• 22:48
  I Hate Talking: And heard him say that apparently.
• 22:51
  I Hate Talking: So I've been listening to How I Met Your Mother, the recap show about how I met your mother.
• 23:00
  I Hate Talking: And I've been really enjoying it cause we were newlyweds during that time and I watched it a lot.
• 23:06
  I Hate Talking: And so I haven't watched it really since then, so it's bringing about a lot of nostalgia as I'm watching it and listening to him recap it.
• 23:15
  I Hate Talking: So the person that you're quoting, Richard Greenberg, is quite the character.
• 23:21
  I Hate Talking: His famous show Take Me Out.
• 23:24
  I Hate Talking: Has a ridiculous plot line.
• 23:28
  I Hate Talking: Well, does he have Josh Radner in it or somewhere in there?
• 23:31
  I Hate Talking: I supposedly Josh Radner is the one who quoted him.
• 23:34
  I Hate Talking: Uh, premiered in 2002.
• 23:36
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah.
• 23:37
  I Hate Talking: That'd be around that time right before how I met your mother.
• 23:41
  I Hate Talking: There anyways, go ahead if you want to talk about his plot.
• 23:46
  I Hate Talking: I am not even gonna talk about.
• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: He only has one you wanted me to keep this good for the kids, and there's no way I can talk about the plot.
• 23:52
  I Hate Talking: -- This -- is a family show.
• 23:54
  I Hate Talking: He only has one show.
• 23:56
  I Hate Talking: OK, this was the most famous show.
• 23:58
  I Hate Talking: Apparently others are not all that different, so I don't watch plays by Richard Greenberg.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: Also, I disagree with his quote.
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: -- So you -- don't.
• 24:06
  I Hate Talking: OK, first, let's, let me address this, and then I want to hear that.
• 24:10
  I Hate Talking: So think about that.
• 24:11
  I Hate Talking: I want to give him credit because whenever I hear a quote, I think it's important to give credit to whoever you heard the quote from.
• 24:19
  I Hate Talking: So that's why he did, and I heard Josh Radner quote him.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: So I did not deep dive it.
• 24:28
  I Hate Talking: I just wrote it down.
• 24:29
  I Hate Talking: I have a list of quotes I love.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: And that was just one I added to my lovable quotes.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: So I did not deep dive him.
• 24:39
  I Hate Talking: I'm apolo I apologize if he's not great or maybe you love him, I don't know.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: I know I love how I met your mother.
• 24:47
  I Hate Talking: And So tell me why you disagree with the quote, and I'll give it again, what he said.
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: Nostalgia is just a longing for a time, we know we can survive.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think there's people that knew they survived the Holocaust or knew that they survived the Great Depression.
• 25:11
  I Hate Talking: They do not long for those times.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: Is that nostalgic for them?
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so.
• 25:18
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: They know they survived it and therefore, according to this gentleman, they should be nostalgic for that time because they know they survived that.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: But I would highly doubt that anybody would be nostalgic for that specific experience.
• 25:34
  I Hate Talking: Now, there may have been highlights within that experience, and I would categorize that more as thriving, not surviving.
• 25:42
  I Hate Talking: So maybe during the Holocaust, they had a friend that was able to give them encouragement or during the Great Depression, they had a special dinner with potatoes and a hard candy at the end.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: And they are nostalgic for that because it was a highlight of particular emotional extremes in the positive.
• 26:08
  I Hate Talking: That they were thriving in those moments even though all surrounding particular events and scenarios were simply surviving that they could be nostalgic for those particular times.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: Do you recall Lightning McQueen being this time of conflict and discord and.
• 26:29
  I Hate Talking: It was a very difficult time.
• 26:31
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think that was the best time of my life, those couple of years there.
• 26:36
  I Hate Talking: I would literally stand here with all my money on the table and say those years right there were the best years of my life.
• 26:42
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 26:43
  I Hate Talking: So you're nostalgic for a time you were thriving or were experiencing an emotional high point.
• 26:49
  I Hate Talking: Because if I write it down, I was waking up 60 to 90 minutes every night for years.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: I did not sleep through the night.
• 26:58
  I Hate Talking: For almost 10 years.
• 27:00
  I Hate Talking: So that, and especially during that time, you know, it's like if I write down things, I'm like, oh, those were struggling times.
• 27:06
  I Hate Talking: I don't think about, I have to force myself to think of those times.
• 27:09
  I Hate Talking: I think of those cute little boys and how much I wanted to be a mom.
• 27:13
  I Hate Talking: And then I was, and they made me laugh every day, and I just loved waking up and being able to take care of them and feed them and play with our cars all day long.
• 27:25
  I Hate Talking: So I instantly think of all those amazing times and how great I felt and then if I force myself past that, I can think of the hard times.
• 27:34
  I Hate Talking: But I, I understand what you're saying.
• 27:37
  I Hate Talking: So you would reword the phrase, nostalgia is a time of longing for when we arrived.
• 27:45
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 27:46
  I Hate Talking: And that thriving could be within times of surviving, but you're not longing for just the survival.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: You are thinking back to those emotional high points or times of particular emotional stress, whether that be positive, probably not negative, but that would be -- what I would posit and -- maybe, but I think maybe the concept I'm getting at, that I'm taking from it.
• 28:14
  I Hate Talking: During those times, I remember having stressful times.
• 28:18
  I Hate Talking: Our one kid had a lot of medical issues.
• 28:21
  I Hate Talking: Again, we didn't sleep very much, she traveled a lot.
• 28:24
  I Hate Talking: And so when I think about it, like, oh yeah, I actually struggled a lot, I was very stressed during that time.
• 28:31
  I Hate Talking: But now I remember only the good stuff.
• 28:33
  I Hate Talking: And now I have different issues as our kids are getting older and having a whole different social and peer dynamic that's stressful.
• 28:44
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, oh, now I'm stressing about this.
• 28:47
  I Hate Talking: I wish I could go back to those times when all I had to do was pick my kid up, and we could leave a situation.
• 28:53
  I Hate Talking: And our kids are too big.
• 28:55
  I Hate Talking: I can't pick them up and walk away from something now.
• 28:58
  I Hate Talking: Like they're too heavy for me to carry out of a store.
• 29:03
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 29:04
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we've already passed the point where We've picked up our kids and put them back down and never will pick them up again.
• 29:12
  I Hate Talking: You want me to cry?
• 29:15
  I Hate Talking: Is that the point of this?
• 29:17
  I Hate Talking: No, it's not, but it does happen.
• 29:20
  I Hate Talking: There is a point where You as a listener or you as my co-host were picked up by your parent, put down, and never picked up again.
• 29:31
  I Hate Talking: -- It's -- true, you don't realize it until it's like far past.
• 29:35
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 29:35
  I Hate Talking: So sad So perhaps for our next episode, nostalgia will be the word.
• 29:43
  I Hate Talking: Maybe.
• 29:44
  I Hate Talking: I am curious now about the etymology and perhaps some of the nuances on where that particular word comes from and if this gentleman is correct or not correct, and I'm still fairly convinced that this is actually a poor quote.
• 29:59
  I Hate Talking: OK, so we'll do our own research now cause I didn't prior.
• 30:03
  I Hate Talking: -- Right -- now or for our next episode?
• 30:05
  I Hate Talking: Next episode, next episode, and y'all.
• 30:07
  I Hate Talking: If you have opinions, let us know if you agree with Richard Greenberg.
• 30:13
  I Hate Talking: Or with Adam, on which way nostalgia goes, and then we'll do our research and we'll come back and chat.
• 30:21
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that sounds good.
• 30:23
  I Hate Talking: So, as always, you can leave a comment, send us a text, or send us an email with your particular thoughts on any of these topics or even new topics that we can tackle in the future.
• 30:38
  I Hate Talking: And in the meantime, do like, share, and subscribe, and we will probably Not, definitely, tackle nostalgia next time.
• 30:49
  I Hate Talking: It sounds good.
• 30:51
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.