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Iowa State's wild weekend, beat #1, Matt Campbell gone, Jimmy Rogers hired plus Bill Seals talks Cyclones · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon on a
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  Monday. The Iowa Sports Radio Network,
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  Trent Condon and Ken Miller for the next couple of hours talking
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  sports with you. We appreciate you starting your
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  afternoon here with us as we'll take you until 2:00 off the
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  bench. Follows us two to five overtime
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  Iowa from 5:00 until 6. Here's what's coming up on our
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  program at the bottom of the hour.
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  Bill Seals, who covers Iowa State.
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  He, of course, was at the press conference, Jimmy Rogers
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  introductory press conference this morning.
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  Bill Seals on that. Perhaps some players coming or
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  going will pick his brain on what he is hearing so far
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  pursuant to Iowa State's football roster, obviously.
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  And it's unfortunate because what a game in Mackey Arena, for
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  crying out loud, it's totally, totally overshadowed by what's
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  going on in football. And it shouldn't because my good
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  God, that was a butt kicking and an eye opening performance on
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  ATJ Otzel Burgers bunch. So Bill Seals on football and
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  basketball coming up at 12:30. Bama, Bob Trent and I will take
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  a look back at the weekend, what the committee got right, what
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  the committee got wrong, if anything.
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  So we will do that coming up at 1:00.
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  And then 130 Scott Dockerman, who was in Indianapolis witness
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  Indiana take down the Buckeyes of Ohio State and is now
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  covering the Matt Campbell introductory press conference
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  with Penn State. He will join us at 1:30 for
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  those topics and a couple more depending what comes up between
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  now and then Trent Dub but not Trent's not here today Mr.
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  Monday night is here today He'll make his pick coming up here on
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  Monday Night Football Eagles in LA to take on the chargers.
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  What a weekend what a crazy weekend when it comes to sports
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  like I love coaching searches. I love them.
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  They're I thought we. Were still going to be here
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  today. I Trent, it's the it's the Scott
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  Knock testament. What did you think of the
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  higher? I said I hate it.
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  I hate to hire necessarily. I hate the fact they made it
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  quickly. Yeah, right, Ray.
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  Coaching hires are great for ratings and within.
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  I don't even think Matt Campbell probably hugged all of his
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  players and and the announcement had already come out.
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  The Jimmy Rogers is coming from Washington state.
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  It just goes to show you just how much college athletics has
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  changed. This is another example of it.
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  It came up with the press conference today.
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  I watched the introductory press conference, thought it was good
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  with the exception that he struggles to open up a bottle of
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  Aqua Kofina. I'm not sure if that'll get get
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  in the way of coaching football. It won't, but it was it was it's
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  kind of some ways Matt Campbell light.
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  I did. I did appreciate it.
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  I'm sitting in Cyclone fans likewise appreciate the fact
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  that Matt Campbell's name came up as much during the press
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  conference. And Jimmy Rogers is, you know,
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  doing the right thing that way. But just a crazy, crazy weekend
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  for Iowa State to lose the best coach in school history,
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  football coach in school history to Penn State.
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  And the way that it happened as quickly as it happened, as
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  clandestined as it happened, other than, you know, keeping
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  the coaches and some of the big boosters, you know, in the dark.
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  And then he's gone, and the next man up.
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  You know, Matt Campbell still is going to be revered.
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  Is he going to get a statue? No.
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  We'll see. No, not.
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  Not anymore. There's still a possibility, I
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  mean. Time heals wounds.
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  Yes, absolutely. I don't remember Johnny Rogers.
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  I don't remember Earl Bruce, I don't remember those coaches,
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  but I remember the stories. And for somebody that grew up in
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  the 80s and 90s, those were still revered names.
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  Those two guys were at the level that were remembered fondly of
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  what they were able to do. And that's still a possibility
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  for Matt Campbell. As you said, time heals wounds
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  and it will likely get to that point.
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  He's gone. I did have some issues, though,
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  in the interim. Twofold.
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  The players, we know the players have power.
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  The players have the power to not play games.
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  You know what? It was what I was told agents,
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  it was their agents, but any of the players begin now.
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  This is what I'm told again. And they got the the same person
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  that told me. This was the one that told me
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  that there was contact in October from Matt Campbell and
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  Penn State told me. They got the wrong e-mail
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  address. Well, I don't know whether they.
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  Did you saw that story? I did, yeah.
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  I don't believe for a second in, in fact, there's there's buzz
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  out there that the Penn State AD might have been in Ames when
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  when Penn State was in Iowa City.
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  So we may or may not ever know. But it was apparently the
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  players, some of them wanted to play, but very quickly it was
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  some of the agents of the players that there's going to
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  have some opportunities to go other places.
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  So you're not playing a bowl game, you're not playing a bowl
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  game. It's it's, again, it's college
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  football has major, major problems.
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  And I think if anything, this weekend just exacerbated how big
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  those problems may be with with teams opting out.
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  And I think the only way that you're going to be able to
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  change that is to incentivize the players to play.
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  And instead of, you know, the conference is getting this
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  money, maybe they get half of it, but maybe the other half's
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  put into a big pot. And if you play, you share in
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  that. And it doesn't go to the general
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  fund, which is another story. You know, when it comes to Jamie
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  Potter, the way he's handling NIL, there's so much going on.
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  I mean, I go back to last Monday when Brent Bloom quit.
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  There's something there. There's something there.
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  And I didn't think there was. And I believe that there is now.
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  I appreciate, I appreciate Pollard being as he's got a big
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  ego and he's willing to say anything.
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  I I did you know the fact that agents workshop their coaches
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  that they that they put out feelers for sitting athletic
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  directors and presidents to come join us for a weekend in this
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  case Austin, TX. We'll put you up in a five star
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  hotel and you can and our and our clients you can intermingle
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  with with ADS and and coaches and form relationships.
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  Shake hands, shave a beer. Did you know that existed?
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  I had never heard of that before.
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  I'm grateful that here's what bothered me about Pollard's
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  press conference on Friday. And I could be wrong.
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  I could be wrong. This might have been out there.
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  Matt Campbell might have put that out there.
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  I did not hear it. Why would he bring up the fact
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  that his mom's got cancer, right?
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  Why would he bring up the fact that Pollards are Pollard, that
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  Campbell's mother-in-law or there's both Campbell parents,
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  Mr. and Mrs. Campbell's parents are ill.
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  Why would you bring that up? Now you got to carry that to
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  Penn State. Come on.
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  That's not for you to say. If Matt Campbell wants that out
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  there, he can say that that's not for you.
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  But but at the same time. And to use that as the reason.
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  That's just it, Trent. That's.
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  Part of that's just. Equal getting in the.
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  World if Kalani Sataki takes the job Wednesday, Matt Campbell's
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  quitting. Matt Campbell's taking the job
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  at Pittsburgh State. Come on.
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  No, no, this was the Penn State job was open.
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  He took it because it's a blue blood job, because you can win a
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  national championship at Penn State.
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  That's why he took it because of his sick parents, not because of
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  kids. Not no, that's not the reason.
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  That's the reason that he took the job.
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  He had the opportunity and that's why I I had a big problem
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  with that also of using that as a reason or an excuse.
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  You're also going to tell me the back Cable's still the coach,
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  that they're not playing a bowl game.
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  No, they would have been. But yet they were, well, it was
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  just a player's decision. Mm hmm.
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  And that. And agents, yeah, and agents and
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  agent and Pollard said on on on Monday, are said on Friday.
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  Rather, we're playing in a bowl game.
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  And that's a block in the pack. Look, he's a he is a hands on.
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  He's a meddler is what he is. I was told this once that this
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  guy is is he's got his hands in everything to the fact to the
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  point where, and they use this as an example, that if Matt
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  Pollard sees the janitor sweeping the floor the wrong
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  way, he's going to go up and take the broom and tell him I
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  want you to do it this way. That's how the Campbell's got
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  his hands in everything. And maybe that's OK.
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  Pollard. You mean I'm sorry, Pollard?
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  Yeah, Jamie Pollard. Yeah, Jamie Pollard, he's got
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  his hands in everything. So we'll see.
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  We'll see where it goes on the surface.
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  They hired A climber. Who's to say?
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  And and maybe this isn't a bad thing.
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  I don't think it is a bad thing. If I was state, someone goes 20
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  and four in the next two years and Rogers decides to, well,
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  Wisconsin's open, they're in the Big 10 to jump then.
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  Are you disappointed? It's it's I mean, it's it's hey,
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  it's the big 10. You can understand the move.
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  And he just LED your team to 20 and four when half the roster
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  change. Look, he did a great job at
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  Washington State. No, no doubt because he had to
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  replace what what did he say? 70 guys.
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  Yeah. 70 guys at Washington state. 75 I know what it was.
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  A team that not only lost their players, they lost their damn
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  conference, right? And they had to figure out a
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  schedule. I mean, there was there was a
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  lot that went into that in that one season.
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  Brought a lot of guys with him, brought a lot of guys out there
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  to make. Sure, he'll bring some with him
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  here. Yes, there's going to be a ton
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  of movement probably. So in this era it is completely
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  different than than what you're used to.
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  But this is a guy, he said. He's a climber.
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  He's not overly in the press conference.
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  It wasn't rah rah, No wasn't. I can't wait to watch this guy.
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  Caller had to. Coach a smile out of him.
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  He mentioned that he has resting bitch face.
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  Yeah, he's. He's a.
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  Football coach, he's a football guy.
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  I like that about him. I liked about I I like the press
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  conference. You're never going to come away.
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  Oh, he won the press conference. I think it's not what it's
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  about. No, you know, he he came across
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  as Luke. Fickle won the press conference.
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  Yeah. How'd that?
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  Work out right, Right. He's a football coach.
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  He brought up with a great deal of respect his successor.
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  I've never heard a press conference where the incoming
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  coach has as much to say in a positive light as the outgoing
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  coach. That left that way.
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  Not a guy that retired. Right.
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  That left the way he did. He he just took a step forward
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  whether it had to do with Nili do believe it did.
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  And I think that was part of it in some respects.
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  And now we're seeing some of these people that have been on
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  message boards or wherever throughout the throughout the
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  weekend and shared their true feelings.
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  They must have got called to the principal's office because
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  they're walking back a whole lot of stuff that was put on.
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  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  There was something said that all of a sudden things.
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  Well, maybe it was just the heat of the moment.
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  No, it wasn't. You were telling the truth at
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  the time and now you now you want to walk things back.
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  And it wasn't just one particular person.
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  It was a whole bunch of them. So if you want to chime in,
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  here's your opportunity to do so.
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  We will keep the phone lines open for the next 15 minutes.
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  Love to hear your thoughts on the hire, whether you think that
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  if it if it matters, you're going to keep the players.
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  I would be shocked, I would be stunned if Rocco Becht is still
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  a cyclone in in the fall or whenever.
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  Because I do believe that I think it's better for Iowa
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  State, quite frankly. And this is not a this is not a
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  reflection of Rocco Becht's ability or lack thereof.
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  It's you've got a freshman quarterback on the roster,
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  right? A freshman quarterback who'd
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  played some. That's a lot of people pretty
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  high on Alex Manske big time, right?
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  Whether Bramer stays, whether Berkel stays, there's a whole
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  bunch of guys in the secondary. Rogers recruited Cooper, Ebel.
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  I think that's a huge feather because I think he's a hell of a
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  player. Oh yes, he is.
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  He's a hell of a. Player of the defensive starters
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  returning. I think he might be top of the
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  list. Yes, yes, Caleb Bacon's got
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  another. Year he does, yes.
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  OK. I put Ebolt in front of them.
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  I think upside wise, yeah, dude, the stud.
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  Is Bacon more of a leader though?
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  I don't, yeah. I mean, he's just solid, right?
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  Yeah, and older and been then programmed longer.
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  We'll see where it goes, but it's going to be an entirely
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  different roster. And here's what I here's what I
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  think I know about Iowa State fans.
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  Yes, they're stinging right now, and yes, they're disappointed
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  right now, but they're a loyal group.
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  You guys are a loyal group. I mean, there's a crappin
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  Blizzard outside, not fit for men or beast.
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  And there's a group of them outside in Ames with their tents
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  up, battling the elements, having some Ames Lager and
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  waiting for the new coach to arrive so you could pat him on
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  the back and say welcome to Ames.
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  You're a hearty bunch. And you guys will.
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  Yeah, it's things right now, but you'll come around.
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  Couple of the calls in here. Let's get to Jeff.
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  First of all, I'm hope we hear from Mike from Waterloo.
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  Hope this weekend didn't kill Mike.
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  No, no, he's good. He's good.
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  I mean he's probably got Rogers 11 and one in Year 1.
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  Probably so. Yeah, good point.
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  Hello, Jeff. How are you?
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  Doing well. Let's talk about what I think a
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  lot of Cyclone fans want to talk about and that's the basketball
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  team. Amazing.
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  A couple of a couple of side notes.
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  I'm sure you guys know this some some Cyclone fans or or
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  basketball fans don't know that was the first win versus the
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  number one ranked team on the road in Iowa State history.
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  TJ has won three, three times worse.
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  The number one team in the nation #3 they've only won four.
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  Totalized program. He's won three.
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  That was the worst loss in Maggie Arena Piston.
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  There's another one. Let's get into the game.
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  OK, first. Half Let's get into Killian
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  Torre well. He's going to be.
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  He's an NBA talent, no doubt about it.
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  He is an NBA talent. You go into the first half with
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  9 turnovers, Purdue gives you your best shot.
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  Jefferson's in foul trouble. They go up.
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  They go up in the first half, they're up by 4:00.
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  You got the best shot. They did play their best
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  basketball. Lipsey still not 100%.
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  Jefferson in foul trouble. So we get into the second-half,
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  then I look down and I'm looking through some things.
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  They're out rebounding Purdue, which is mind blowing to me at
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  the time. I think they out rebounded them.
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  At one point they were out rebound.
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  I couldn't believe it. Their best.
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  Here's the biggest take away. Nate, I see.
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  Well, it's it's Nate Heisey, it's Nelson giving them big
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  minutes, it's Petra giving them big minutes.
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  They need, they need Bateman, OK, if they're going to play the
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  style that they want to do. And we've all watched this,
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  Cyclone fans have watched this, they fade and they kind of limp
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  in the February. March, what have I said?
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  It's about March for this team. What is going to take them
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  speaking and winning in March? It's their best.
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  TJ likes to cut the rotation, he likes to play seven guys and
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  they get fatigued, they have to play nine guys.
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  Bateman has to stay involved. He can't just be riding the
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  bench. I know he only had 4 minutes and
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  need to play 9 guys. And with that, if we can't talk
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  about health, that who knows? But moving forward, hey, that's
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  the best one in college basketball.
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  Let's do that. Come late February in the March,
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  if the statement wins, it's a phenomenal win.
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  I can talk all day, you guys can talk all day.
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  The number one thing I cannot say enough is their bench
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  movement moving forward. You guys have a good day.
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  Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate the call.
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  I'm glad you brought that up. It was an amazing win, an
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  amazing game. The Cyclone Nation needed it.
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  I mean, they walked into Purdue. What was the quote?
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  I think I wrote it down. What did Painter say after the
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  game? I gosh darn it, let me try and
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  open this damn phone. I wrote it down.
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  They stole our spirit. He's his number one team in the
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  country, right? Right at their place.
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  Matt Painter. They stole our spirit.
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  They did. They absolutely did.
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  And the great news was, as they blew him out, we were able to
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  watch the last three minutes of the Michigan State Duke game.
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  Because it was. Over.
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  That's true. And if you would have told me
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  that 11011 is thinkers or tip it off, I would have called you
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  absolutely crazy. But all right, I don't feel bad
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  about jumping over to Duke, Michigan State because this.
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  Is a blow out. It is a clubbing, they're
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  shooting the ball at such a high level.
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  There is the aggressiveness we have been looking for for two
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  years plus and it's there. Keep it up.
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  A little glimpse. No, not well, there might be a
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  better shot. No, probably the best shot
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  you're going to get is you with just a little bit of space.
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  That's the best shot that you're going to get.
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  And what Jefferson's doing. So Ken Pomeroy, one of the
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  analytic sites you know as his Player of the year standings,
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  Camber boozer #1. Sure has to be.
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  Other guys, the Leno, poor kid from Michigan, he's up there in
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  the top ten. JT Toppen at the Banstead BYU.
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  Braden Smith. Every these names, all these
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  big. Names, right?
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  Yeah #2 who Joshua Jefferson is that right #2 in the country
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  right now in his Player of the Year range, was it?
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  Bill is one of the big brand college basketball guys.
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  Gave him a shout out. A shout out.
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  I beg your pardon? It might have been Bill.
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  I'm not sure. Let's get David in here.
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  Yeah, but I think the country is starting to realize what Iowa
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  State's and what the TJ also burgers built here.
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  Let him have what NIL money is needed to keep this going.
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  JD Pollard, that would be my advice to you, not that you ever
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  sought it. Hello, David, How are you?
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  Good. Hey, several things that
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  bothered me on the whole Campbell thing.
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  First off, we heard all they are not going to the bowl game
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  because of injuries. Well, First off, before the KU
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  game, I don't know if you guys look at that, it's mandated that
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  you put the players who are injured from the Big 12.
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  They have seven guys listed, OK, Four of them were probable.
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  So that was a line of BS to begin with.
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  And then second, why do the players get to decide?
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  I mean, I'm a little confused. By that, they've got, they've
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  got a ton of power now, David. It's different, man.
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  It's different. Well, I understand, I understand
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  that. I mean, but you know, you're on
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  scholarship, you know, you're getting paid NIL money.
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  I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's it's another
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  discussion, but what really upset me about the Campbell
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  deal, 26 guys signed Wednesday committed to Iowa State, the
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  coaches and the staff. Thursday this crap comes out.
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  If I was a player or a parent and things I would be pissed
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  beyond wrecking, no. And you have every right to be
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  so. The timing of it.
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  Yep, you'd have every right to be so.
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  And my last thing is the statue of Campbell is laughable.
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  Remember, they tore down the one of paternal.
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  Well, come on, come on. Let's not go there.
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  Yeah. That's yeah, that's.
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  Sodomizing children compared to leaving for another job.
• 19:05
  Let's slow down. I understand your hurt David,
• 19:07
  but that's too much. You'll be revered.
• 19:14
  Time heals a lot of wounds, not everybody's wounds.
• 19:17
  Some people will never understand why he left Iowa
• 19:19
  State. He gave you 10 years.
• 19:22
  He took you to places you've never dreamt of going.
• 19:25
  I'm sure you've dreamt of them, but it was unrealistic dreams,
• 19:28
  right? Big 12 Championships.
• 19:30
  Fiesta Bowl win, not just getting their win.
• 19:33
  And to clarify, Joe Paterno looking the other way.
• 19:36
  Exactly. On the side of me, yes.
• 19:38
  Yeah, it wasn't him doing it, but.
• 19:40
  Just clear offensive coordinator sodomized kids in their
• 19:43
  facilities. It's a.
• 19:44
  Little different than a guy leaving.
• 19:46
  Totally different. You were on a roll there, David.
• 19:49
  It was good till the end. It was good till the end.
• 19:51
  Indeed it was. All right.
• 19:52
  Miller and Condon, glad you're with us on a Monday.
• 19:55
  We'll take a couple more calls, get you in here if you're so
• 19:58
  inclined. If not, I'm sure that the boys
• 20:01
  in the afternoon from 2:00 until 5:00 will be.
• 20:04
  The phone lines will be open all afternoon if you would like to
• 20:07
  opine on that time. Do you want to get to the
• 20:09
  College Football Playoff? We'll do that with Bama coming
• 20:11
  up. The weekend was unbelievable
• 20:14
  football wise. Indiana knocking off Ohio State.
• 20:17
  This Hoosiers team, my God, they are something, no doubt about
• 20:21
  that. All right, let's get a different
• 20:23
  Mike in here. He wants to join us.
• 20:24
  Is it our Mike or is it a different Mike?
• 20:28
  Hello, Mike. How are?
• 20:28
  You it's a Yeah, it's a different Mike.
• 20:31
  So you know, I've heard this. I get the players or a bunch of
• 20:35
  soft babies, and I'm not an Iowa State or an Iowa fan.
• 20:38
  I'm a college football fan, in fact an SEC fan.
• 20:42
  But when we look at this, I pay a lot of taxes and it's
• 20:47
  subsidizing Iowa State. They don't have a choice.
• 20:50
  That $500,000 is coming out of taxpayer money.
• 20:53
  It's not though, No, no, no. It's it's Mike to correct you.
• 20:57
  Taxpayer money does not pay for the athletic department at Iowa
• 21:00
  State. It is still that could change,
• 21:02
  but as it is right now, it is self-sustaining.
• 21:06
  That's a shell game. So Iowa State is a State
• 21:10
  University. It's not being paid because we
• 21:14
  get other funding doing that. But somehow the entire Iowa
• 21:18
  State institution is getting taxpayer money.
• 21:21
  They're representative of it. You can play your shell games of
• 21:24
  going, hey, it's not, but they need to put on their big boy
• 21:28
  pants and get out there and play.
• 21:30
  That's their job. And now it is a job with.
• 21:33
  Yeah. Part that I agree with you,
• 21:35
  Mike, absolutely. You're getting paid now show up.
• 21:40
  If you want that nil payment you want that check to clear, you
• 21:43
  need to be. Playing, but if you're if you're
• 21:45
  thanks, Mike, I appreciate the call.
• 21:46
  But if you do have if you are quote an agent, I can't believe
• 21:50
  we're saying agent in college sports and it's legal to do so.
• 21:54
  If you if you got a kid, you're an agent for the quarterback and
• 21:59
  quarterback doesn't want to play and you've got another, another
• 22:02
  guy, another client of yours, you're not going to send him to
• 22:05
  Iowa State. If if they for or any school, if
• 22:08
  you're forced to play in these things, I agree with you.
• 22:10
  They are they are absolute employees, but I don't think you
• 22:15
  can force them to play. Look, at the end of the day,
• 22:18
  this is kind of like the TV show on Tuesday night bowl games.
• 22:21
  And you know that thing's going away.
• 22:22
  It isn't, thank God. You know what?
• 22:24
  I'm for the first time friend. It only took six years.
• 22:28
  Well, that's OK. We got a lot of content and for
• 22:31
  that reason I'm grateful. It's it's it's a made for TV
• 22:36
  event. These bowl games.
• 22:37
  Are they trying? Do they want to be there?
• 22:39
  Are is the whole team going to be there?
• 22:42
  Are they backups that are going to play in this game?
• 22:44
  Some of them do. Some of them will take an
• 22:45
  opportunity for the first time maybe to see the field seniors.
• 22:49
  I feel bad for the seniors that aren't going to go, but we'll
• 22:53
  never know what was behind it. Was it the agents?
• 22:56
  Was it the players? K State didn't want to go 5 and
• 22:59
  seven teams that in the past you'd get that list and be
• 23:04
  looking. You normally be Iowa State,
• 23:06
  right? That's five and seven.
• 23:07
  Is there a chance they get to go to a bowl game?
• 23:09
  How many teams? Well, there's 80 slots.
• 23:12
  Is there a chance that, you know, one or two teams come off
• 23:14
  that five and the five and seven teams are saying no?
• 23:18
  They're saying no. You have that.
• 23:20
  This is the biggest offseason project, I think, for college
• 23:24
  sports. Fix the calendar.
• 23:25
  Fix the calendar and fix the damn bowl games because they're
• 23:29
  going to go away. They're going to go away and I
• 23:32
  hate that. It's been the playoff.
• 23:35
  I think that's part of it. And the and the bowl games that
• 23:37
  are left, the games before Christmas, Sorry, that's another
• 23:42
  thing. Campbell let it known that
• 23:43
  Washington State's going to be playing in a bowl game and it's
• 23:45
  going to be before Christmas. Why do I keep saying that?
• 23:50
  Pollard let it be known that Washington State was going to be
• 23:55
  playing in a bowl game prior to the announcement being made and
• 23:58
  the games before Christmas. Come on, Jamie.
• 24:01
  Mike's in Waterloo. Hello, Mike.
• 24:03
  How are you? Good to hear from you.
• 24:05
  Are you OK? If I had your phone number, I
• 24:07
  would have reached out over the weekend.
• 24:09
  I want you to know. No, I was upset at first because
• 24:11
  we're not going to a bowl game. I look forward to a bowl game
• 24:14
  every year. Yes.
• 24:16
  And I think this move, nothing against the new coach, it's
• 24:19
  going to set us back 2, two to three years in the timing of it
• 24:23
  because of the recruit leaving. Yeah, all our good players will
• 24:27
  probably go to another program and I think, let's face it,
• 24:31
  cycle fans, we're not going to have a chance to the side Hawk
• 24:35
  series now we might as well get used to 15 straight loss.
• 24:40
  But we got a great basketball team.
• 24:42
  And one thing I want to know is this new coach going to hire a
• 24:46
  special teams coach because I got I got so sick of our punter
• 24:51
  punt the ball and one of our guys, it hits one of our guys in
• 24:56
  the back of them, you know, in the back.
• 24:58
  How many times did that happen during Campbell?
• 25:00
  Well, at least well, at least twice this year.
• 25:02
  Then I can think of twice. This year, there's a big in the
• 25:04
  Cyhawk game in Ames. I was thinking about at least
• 25:07
  three or. Four, that was the what?
• 25:09
  That was the game day game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:11
  Yeah. Yeah, the rain delay game.
• 25:12
  Rain delay, Yeah. And one more thing, did you see
• 25:16
  Halliburton at the game Saturday?
• 25:17
  I did and his fiance. Yes.
• 25:19
  I wonder what he's saying saying about that kid from France.
• 25:22
  Didn't I tell you he might leave the team and dunk?
• 25:25
  He's amazing, no. Such a great defender.
• 25:27
  He really is. Yeah.
• 25:29
  Thanks for the call, Mike. Appreciate it.
• 25:31
  Yeah, Glad you're well. Was worried about you, James.
• 25:34
  How are you? And then we'll get to a break.
• 25:35
  We'll get Bill Seals in here. We'll get the latest from Bill
• 25:37
  Seals. Hey, James.
• 25:40
  Hey, how are we doing? Good.
• 25:41
  How are you? Not well.
• 25:44
  OK. This sucks.
• 25:46
  Yep, this really sucks. Yep, it's it's hard.
• 25:51
  I don't think this program is going to be able to step up
• 25:56
  after this. Financially or just on the field
• 25:59
  of play, What do you mean? Well, the field of play, I mean,
• 26:02
  we're just kind of in limbo now, don't you agree?
• 26:04
  Kind of goes hand in hand. Yeah.
• 26:08
  It's hard, you know. What do you do?
• 26:10
  No, he took you to places you'd never been.
• 26:12
  James took you places you only dreamt about getting to, and he
• 26:14
  actually got to those places. You exercised a lot of demons.
• 26:18
  You won tongue 10 games, you won a Fiesta Bowl.
• 26:22
  All these bull trips that you guys were going on.
• 26:24
  You packed the airplanes to go to Ireland to follow this group
• 26:27
  in August, for crying out loud. It's I get it, James.
• 26:31
  It had to have hurt this weekend, no question about it.
• 26:36
  We may never recover. It's.
• 26:38
  Well, never is a long time and we will see.
• 26:40
  Good to hear from you, James. Thank you.
• 26:42
  James brings up a sentiment, though, that I have been very
• 26:45
  surprised. Loyal sons forever true.
• 26:49
  The Iowa State fan base is a resilient punch.
• 26:52
  Fractured for people in my age demographic, people in their 40s
• 26:56
  and early 50s. So a lot of losing before what
• 26:59
  it's turned into and certainly on the football field.
• 27:01
  How many times have you heard? Well, I was a student from A
• 27:03
  from A to B and at that time. We won one big ball game or big
• 27:07
  a game. Right.
• 27:08
  There was a lot of that and you see this and it's not just
• 27:13
  losing the coach. That's obviously a major factor,
• 27:16
  a guy that had the success. But as you mentioned, the
• 27:19
  message boards and some of the realities, the financial
• 27:21
  realities of this, this was already happening in the
• 27:24
  background. This just I think brought it to
• 27:27
  the forefront for a lot of people in the fan base that
• 27:30
  aren't a message boards that that don't do that.
• 27:32
  They they buy their tickets, they go to the games, they're
• 27:35
  excited when they win, those kind of people.
• 27:37
  And the reality is they're learning more and more the
• 27:39
  future of college athletics as it changes, as we see Ben Bruns
• 27:43
  asking for state help about the financial situation.
• 27:46
  And we had the caller, Mike, earlier that was talking about
• 27:49
  the financial. Right now they are self-serving.
• 27:52
  But the reality having to come up with $20 million a year just
• 27:56
  for the players, that reality is going away.
• 28:00
  And the tone that we just heard from our last caller is
• 28:03
  something I was incredibly surprised talking to a number of
• 28:05
  my Iowa State friends this weekend.
• 28:07
  Is that that reality at this new level, this new era of college
• 28:12
  athletics, that Iowa State, certainly on the football field,
• 28:16
  maybe we can't compete. We shall see.
• 28:19
  It's fascinating. You know what the other my other
• 28:21
  take away and we're obviously going to get to Bill Seals a
• 28:23
  little late here. I have never seen Iowa State
• 28:29
  fans at odds with Jamie Pollard like I have this weekend.
• 28:34
  Usually it's, you know, there's a little push back, but they
• 28:39
  very quickly come around to, and rightly so, credit Pollard for
• 28:44
  some of the things that he's done.
• 28:46
  He's not perfect by any means, nobody is.
• 28:48
  But there's a there's more fire Pollard and Pollard's to blame.
• 28:54
  And the the, the story that came to light with the Players Era
• 28:58
  tournament. And everybody that participated,
• 29:02
  apparently, with the exception of one school, the players got
• 29:06
  the money. They got the money for playing
• 29:08
  in that tournament in Las Vegas. The Men's.
• 29:11
  Basketball program got the money for playing in that tournament.
• 29:17
  Jamie Pollard insisted that money not go specifically to the
• 29:23
  college football program but to the general fund.
• 29:26
  And I think that is maybe behind one of the main defections from
• 29:32
  when, when you think of NIL and when you think of we will as
• 29:36
  much as anything that there was there.
• 29:39
  There's a lot of folks that don't believe that that that's
• 29:42
  should have been the case. And unfortunately, I think a lot
• 29:44
  of people believe that Pollard's got his hands.
• 29:48
  He's got control, too much control of how this is allotted.
• 29:51
  Let's get to Steve and Steve in Waukee, if I can get the mouse
• 29:55
  over there. Steve, Welcome.
• 29:57
  Steve, how are you? Thanks a lot guys always enjoy
• 30:01
  listen thank you for I'm a Hawkeye fan tried and true but
• 30:06
  for Cyclone fan step away from the panic button until Beth gets
• 30:11
  came. We would have gladly traded you
• 30:13
  athletic directors and true isn't, isn't this a Big 12 issue
• 30:21
  just in terms of the availability of TV dollars as
• 30:24
  much as anything. And anybody that thinks that
• 30:27
  Matt Campbell wasn't going to go back home for 11,000,000 a year,
• 30:30
  17,000,000 for his and 30 million to pay players is a
• 30:35
  little idealistic. But as a Hawkeye fan who was
• 30:38
  hoping that they'd hire, I don't know, somebody that I, somebody
• 30:45
  that wasn't worth the darn, I think that they made a great
• 30:47
  high. I like Rogers.
• 30:49
  He is. He's Matt Campbell or TJ
• 30:51
  Opselberg. 2 dot O As Jamie said, I think it's a great hire
• 30:56
  and candidly, I think that the program's going to be OK.
• 30:59
  Steve, thanks for the call. Appreciate that one morning and
• 31:02
  we will go to break and get Bill Seals.
• 31:03
  Jim, how are you? Good, good.
• 31:05
  Thank you. Fine, thanks.
• 31:07
  I just had a had a question for you guys.
• 31:10
  So I'm kind of curious about the Matt Campbell buyout.
• 31:13
  My understanding was that that basically the buyout was only
• 31:16
  around 2 million. That's correct, yes. 2 million
• 31:18
  and Rogers was 4 million at Wazoo.
• 31:20
  And so and, and then then on top of that, they had a 55. 100,000
• 31:25
  Yes. Bowl game.
• 31:27
  My question is why would Iowa State allow a school to come in
• 31:31
  and decimate their football program for only and to only
• 31:34
  walk away with a million and a half dollars?
• 31:35
  It's a great question, Jim and I, I.
• 31:37
  Think that was Jamie Pollard question.
• 31:38
  Yeah, that, that's one of Pollard's, I think biggest
• 31:40
  misses. Yeah, unless we know something
• 31:42
  that we don't, but. Maybe he didn't think he was
• 31:44
  going to leave. It was obviously in
• 31:45
  negotiations. The Pollard's, Campbell's agent
• 31:49
  slash attorney was the one that obviously asked for that or made
• 31:53
  that part of the negotiations and in order to get Campbell to
• 31:56
  re up I I guess. You have to protect your
• 31:58
  university as an athletic director.
• 31:59
  That has to be at the. Forefront man, thanks for the
• 32:02
  call. I appreciate it.
• 32:03
  That was a big mess. It is because it was, it was a
• 32:06
  different level prior to this last contract.
• 32:09
  It came down from X to Z or whatever what obviously Z being
• 32:14
  now $2,000,000. But yeah, I mean this cost, I
• 32:16
  would take money. Got it.
• 32:17
  Got to pay the buyout of Wazoo. You have a coach that is wanted
• 32:20
  across the country, a coach that was opposed to getting the USC
• 32:23
  job and the Florida State job and a ton of other jobs to not
• 32:26
  have that language in there or have the language only be 2
• 32:29
  million, only two million, but we know we're talking about
• 32:32
  that. They need to be 1015.
• 32:34
  That thing needed to be monstrous, and he didn't get it.
• 32:37
  Negotiating ploy. We'll be back with Bill Seals
• 32:40
  Mill and Condon underway. Glad you're with us, the Iowa
• 32:42
  Sports Radio Network. Hi, Mory Condon, welcome back.
• 32:47
  Iowa Sports Radio Network. Let's get right to Bill Seals.
• 32:50
  Bill, thank you for being patient.
• 32:52
  Appreciate you coming on. What a crazy weekend.
• 32:55
  cyclonereport.com, part of the on three media network.
• 32:58
  I know you guys had a ton of traffic over there this weekend,
• 33:04
  basketball sadly getting totally overshadowed.
• 33:06
  That was an unbelievable win against Purdue.
• 33:08
  Really was just your thoughts on everything, how it went down.
• 33:12
  You listen to Coach Rogers this morning.
• 33:15
  You were in the front row of the press conference.
• 33:17
  Your takeaways from what you heard from the new head football
• 33:20
  coach. Well, I think he's a, a very
• 33:23
  impressive guy, to be honest with you.
• 33:26
  I think a lot of how he speaks is, is like, well, he's what,
• 33:30
  eight years Matt Campbell's junior?
• 33:32
  And I mean, a lot of what he is about is what Matt Campbell's
• 33:36
  all about and what has made him successful at Iowa State.
• 33:40
  So I mean, I think that he's going to be a good fit there,
• 33:44
  good cultural fit. But you know, you guys are aware
• 33:49
  what the rules are now with the transfer portal and and
• 33:52
  everything, but he's got a hard job ahead of him here.
• 33:55
  I mean, it's you, you. He's got experience, you know,
• 34:01
  flipping a roster. He had to do that at Washington
• 34:03
  State. But you know, one thing that he
• 34:06
  brought up was he did a lot of that in the spring portal last
• 34:10
  year. Well, there's no spring portal
• 34:13
  this year. So you know, he's he's got to
• 34:16
  he's got to get to work. I think that that was one of the
• 34:19
  big things about, you know, him coming on board so quickly after
• 34:24
  Matt Campbell moved on is he had to get it.
• 34:27
  They had to get a guy in here that could get to work, try to
• 34:30
  start to keep this nucleus, the players around, you know, that
• 34:35
  got started last night. Well, you know, I'm sure we'll
• 34:39
  have a stream of players over the next several days or weeks
• 34:44
  that depart. But I mean, this was an 8 and 14
• 34:48
  this year that, you know, they were, you know, a few games
• 34:52
  away, you know, going 9 or 10. They had a kicker, they got
• 34:55
  hurt. So I mean, a few things that I
• 34:58
  mean, this could have been a team that would could have been
• 35:00
  in Dallas again. So he wants to try to keep this
• 35:03
  nucleus of players together. And you know that process
• 35:07
  started last night. Rogers mentioned 75 new guys on
• 35:11
  that Wazoo team a season ago. I don't know if it'll be 75, but
• 35:14
  the number seems pretty substantial.
• 35:16
  You work in the recruiting space.
• 35:18
  You mentioned it's going to be quick turn around to make this
• 35:20
  happen. Do you think I mean decimated
• 35:23
  the roster as we currently know it is?
• 35:25
  Is that a fair characterization of how you kind of know it right
• 35:28
  now and the work then the Rogers are going to have to do because
• 35:30
  you'll believe that a lot of these guys are going to leave?
• 35:34
  Well, I think that's just kind of the nature of the, the
• 35:36
  business. But, you know, a lot of the
• 35:39
  current players kind of have to, to weigh to, you know, not all
• 35:44
  of them are going to Penn State. You know, they granted Penn
• 35:47
  State only has two commits, but they've still got I, I'm not
• 35:51
  sure the exact number of announcements to the portal that
• 35:55
  they've had, but, you know, they're not bringing this whole
• 35:57
  roster from Iowa State over here.
• 36:00
  So a lot of these kids have a decision to make.
• 36:03
  You know, they can be one of the several thousands that that jump
• 36:07
  into the portal, or they could give this guy a shot.
• 36:10
  And I think, again, what I was pointing back to is you
• 36:14
  listening to Jimmy talk and it sounds a lot like Matt.
• 36:17
  So I think they've got to give it's it's going to be wise for
• 36:20
  them to give him a shot, you know, And the other thing is
• 36:23
  too, yeah, he was at Washington State for a year.
• 36:26
  But this guy has roots in the Midwest, coaching at South
• 36:30
  Dakota State so long. You know, one thing that he was
• 36:33
  one of the first things he brought up was he recruited
• 36:36
  Cooper Evil. They had Beau Goodwin committed
• 36:39
  at South Dakota State before he flipped to Iowa State late.
• 36:42
  So a couple of those guys that are veterans.
• 36:45
  Well, and several more he didn't mention were guys he recruited.
• 36:49
  He's been in the Midwest. So I think there's some appeal
• 36:52
  right there for a lot of these guys.
• 36:54
  I mean, obviously there was a rash of emotions over the
• 36:57
  weekend, you know, following the announcement, you know,
• 36:59
  everybody wants to make rash judgement, jump into the portal.
• 37:03
  I'm gone. But I think there's a value in
• 37:05
  in kind of seeing this thing play out this week.
• 37:07
  You'll get to know more of the, the coaching staff this week,
• 37:12
  the the coordinators, I think the recruiting guys and, and
• 37:16
  just start to try to build those relationships with those current
• 37:19
  players because I mean, that's a that's a monumental task right
• 37:23
  now. That's first and foremost.
• 37:24
  Yeah, re recruiting the roster and re recruiting the guys that
• 37:27
  signed last week if at all possible.
• 37:28
  So a couple of things Bill A, have you talked to a player off
• 37:32
  the record or or players off the record of what they heard last
• 37:35
  night? And then B in the in the sake of
• 37:38
  time, did you do you have any idea of the of Campbell's staff,
• 37:43
  any of those staff members will be asked to remain as part of
• 37:47
  Rodgers new staff. So A2 parter.
• 37:50
  Yeah, nothing, nothing direct from a player off the record.
• 37:54
  I mean, I've got, you know, contacts that are parent,
• 37:57
  obviously parents of player. I think all signs were that the
• 38:02
  meeting went very well. And I think one thing that Jimmy
• 38:05
  Rogers said that, you know, he had a long line of players
• 38:09
  outside the meeting last night when it was done wanting to talk
• 38:12
  to him after after the meeting. So there were, you know, side
• 38:17
  sessions or whatever after he got done.
• 38:19
  They, the players just wanted to talk to him a little bit more.
• 38:22
  So I think there's a good group that's receptive there.
• 38:25
  I mean, we'll we'll see how that bears out over the over the next
• 38:29
  couple weeks. And and what, what was the
• 38:32
  second part of that? Again, just.
• 38:33
  The coaches, anybody? Campbells former staff staying.
• 38:37
  Well, yeah. And, and one thing he said in
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  the Jimmy said in the the the presser today is that a lot of
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  those former coaches will have opportunities to remain here.
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  But you know, and unfortunately, I just don't think that's kind
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  of the the nature here. One thing that Rogers brought up
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  was that one thing he liked about Campbell when he came from
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  Toledo to Iowa State is he had the authority, he he brought his
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  guys with him. I think that's just kind of how
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  it goes in the in the current world of college athletics.
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  And Matt's probably going to try and bring a lot of his guys out
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  there. And I think Jimmy Rogers will
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  probably bring a lot of his staff from Washington State
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  here. I think that's just the nature
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  of it. Bill seals Bill, we're short on
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  time. We will try and squeeze you in
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  again this week. Appreciate the contribution
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  cyclonereport.com part of on three media. cyclonereport.com.
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  Bill, thank you. We'll run you down later in the
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  week. Appreciate it.
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  Looking forward to it. Have a good one guys.
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  Good. To talk to you.
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  All right, more from Bill Seals later in the week.
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  We'll take a time out, come back, finish up our number one.
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  I'm Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  I'm Miller Condon. Welcome back.
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  Couple of minutes left in our number one just a real quick
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  thing on the NFL and and no, not the ending of the Denver Raiders
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  game, which was an all time bad beat.
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  You got to help me out with Isaiah Likely's touchdown.
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  No, not a. Touchdown.
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  It was a touchdown. It was a touchdown.
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  You're right. What in the world?
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  Trent is going on. He caught the ball with his arms
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  extended. The DP is behind him.
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  He takes a step in the end zone. He takes another step in the end
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  zone on his third step. The DP knocked the ball out from
• 40:28
  his hands. What are we doing?
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  I don't get it. I was completely baffled by it,
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  coupled with all you have to do is get the break, the plane nose
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  of the football to the very front part of the goal line,
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  that white stripe, the front part, that's it.
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  That's it, Your touchdown, arms up.
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  But you need 3 steps in the end. It's the same thing at
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  completing the process. It's the Kelvin Johnson thing
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  from 15. Years ago now, bubbling the ball
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  at all, he had firm possession. He was holding it like a hot
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  loaf of something right out in front of him, his arms fully
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  extended that. First step down, he has full
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  control touchdown. The second step, full control
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  off the ball. Third step down, it gets punched
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  out. I don't get.
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  It, I don't get it. I don't get it.
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  What a terrible call. What a terrible call.
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  If that's a drop, he'd fit in well with the Chiefs.
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  You know, I should feel better about that.
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  I don't. For some reason I don't.
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  I don't what. Are you softening?
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  Yeah. Right.
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  I should be on cloud 9. I thought you were going to be
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  our two next Bama. Bob Scott Dockerman, Mr. Monday
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  Night. Stick with us.