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204: The Birth of Burlesque · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: They see us in the minivan.
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  Speaker 2: That was great. That's like getting the semi-driver to hop in.
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  Speaker 3: This is what it's come to.
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  Speaker 2: Not only looking out the window, but interacting with people
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  Speaker 2: out the window. It's an interactive podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 1: This is Dan Ackman, you're listening to Movie Meltdown, and
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  Speaker 1: keep kicking ass, guys! That was terrible.
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  Speaker 5: It's showtime.
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  Speaker 6: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 7: Way down among brazilians coffee beans.
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  Speaker 2: Grow by the billions so they've got to find those.
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  Speaker 5: Extra cups to fill.
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  Speaker 8: They got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian. I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Alan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Greg. I'm Fred. That was the speed run.
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  Speaker 1: Why was that all so fun?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We got there so fast and we don't know what
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 3: I just like the way Fred said, like, I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 2: Good thing we saved all that time. And it got
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  Speaker 2: us nowhere. Yeah, I didn't have a note of finality
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  Speaker 2: because I've never been on the end before. So I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: You said it as if there was a dispute about it.
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  Speaker 2: God damn it.
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  Speaker 11: You're Nick.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm Fred. No, I'm Fred. I am not the
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  Speaker 2: droid you're looking for. Nuh-uh, I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 12: So obviously, we're hopped up on caffeine, so it must
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  Speaker 12: be another episode of the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 2: Cappuccino my butt. I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 13: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for Decaffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 12: We are coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 12: Nancy's Bagel Grounds where we will get together, act like morons,
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  Speaker 12: and drink a lot of coffee. So, with that, now
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  Speaker 12: this one is a very specific one. It's sad that
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  Speaker 12: we've moved on. We have a new flavor now.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the Oregon Trail?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. We have a new flavor.
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  Speaker 3: I was already picking this one out.
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  Speaker 12: Based on the fact that it's already such a mess,
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  Speaker 12: I don't even think we can make fun of it.
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  Speaker 2: It does the work for us.
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  Speaker 3: And then Greg had been looking on his own and
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  Speaker 3: wanted this one.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, well, it was already on
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  Speaker 2: the list.
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  Speaker 3: So now, Greg, you yourself were thrilled with this name.
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  Speaker 12: I ask you, what blend of coffee are we drinking
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  Speaker 12: this week? We are drinking Klatz of Spit.
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  Speaker 1: What? There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Clats of spit? Clats of spit. It's on the bag.
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  Speaker 7: Label there.
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  Speaker 2: Clats of spit. See? It worked.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do anything with that. They named horses.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Just random things that are hard to say when you
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  Speaker 3: have to announce.
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  Speaker 2: Them really fast.
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  Speaker 3: Just to fuck with the guys calling the race?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. So, it worked. Good job. Again, Lucy's face. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just feel less enthusiastic.
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  Speaker 9: I looked around and I was like, oh, I'm the
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  Speaker 9: only one drinking this and maybe I know why.
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  Speaker 2: I had a cup. I drank all mine earlier.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, it's cold now, but it's still there.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing like cold clats of spit.
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  Speaker 1: Don't mind us all staring at you while you drink
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  Speaker 1: the coffee. We're just waiting for the effects to end.
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  Speaker 2: Put that away.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: She looks unappetized.
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  Speaker 12: Well, on that note, yeah, we're not going to try
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  Speaker 12: to hone in on any one thing because I don't
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  Speaker 12: think we could.
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  Speaker 2: We're already kind of loopy. So we're just going to
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  Speaker 2: go around and do another.
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  Speaker 12: Geek activities kind of episode. And those have actually been
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  Speaker 12: pretty popular. I've heard some good responses from those because
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  Speaker 12: we just kind of have fun. So to kick it off, well,
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  Speaker 12: I finally saw Frankenweenie. As much anger as we heaped
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  Speaker 12: upon Mr. Burton, Lucy, you were guilty of a good
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  Speaker 12: portion of it. I don't take it back because I
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  Speaker 12: meant every word of it then. He's come back around.
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  Speaker 12: He's found a little piece of that thing that we
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  Speaker 12: were like, where the hell have you gone, Tim? I
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  Speaker 12: was pretty pleased with it, I have to say. I
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  Speaker 12: was not, even going in, I heard good things. I
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  Speaker 12: still was kind of like, eh, but it's Tim again.
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  Speaker 12: He screws up everything lately. Dark Shadows was a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: I still like Dark Shadows.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord. I don't know. I actually kind of want
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  Speaker 1: to see Frankenweenie just because I feel like if he's
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  Speaker 1: going back to his source material, that's from back in
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  Speaker 1: a time to where he was more original. He was
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  Speaker 1: more good than evil. He was more man than machine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just I'm a little bit hesitant. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: Tim Burton fans are more forgiving than George Lucas fans
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to new efforts especially since burton's cranking
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  Speaker 1: out so many not.
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  Speaker 12: Me i've hated most things lately but yeah and that's
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  Speaker 12: why i went in kind of with my guard up
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  Speaker 12: i was like no you're not suckering me in again
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  Speaker 12: everybody says all of these projects.
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  Speaker 2: Well no he's gonna do it this he's gonna.
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  Speaker 12: Be different this time and this time it actually and
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  Speaker 12: again i think it does help that it's his own
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  Speaker 12: material i think he's drawing from a time when he
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  Speaker 12: was kind of passionate about film And he had original
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  Speaker 12: ideas and he wanted to make it because he's just
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  Speaker 12: stealing from himself now. Before he had to steal from
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  Speaker 12: other people's pre-established properties. Now he's stealing from his own
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  Speaker 12: pre-established property. And I guess that's okay because somehow it
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  Speaker 12: all kind of works. And on top of that, the
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  Speaker 12: animation is amazing, which it usually is for something of
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  Speaker 12: that caliber.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he does a really good job.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, was Big Fish the last movie he did that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't based on some sort of pre-existing?
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  Speaker 2: That was based on an awful book. It was based
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  Speaker 2: on a book.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, then what was his last original film?
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  Speaker 2: Edward Scissorhands.
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  Speaker 1: Ed Wood?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's based on life.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's based on life, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was the story. I guess the last thing that
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  Speaker 1: was generally original, I guess, would that be Edward Scissorhands?
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  Speaker 3: Or is it us?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a trading card.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a trading card.
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  Speaker 2: That might be it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Edward Cezanne always makes me think of Beauty and the Beast, though.
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  Speaker 7: It seems to kind of follow the same pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Beetlejuice is pretty damn original. There's nothing that you can
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  Speaker 1: liken to that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Again, that's back when he was good.
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  Speaker 12: And there's a glimpse of it here. I mean, again,
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  Speaker 12: I'm still not writing him a pass from here on out.
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  Speaker 12: I'm afraid he's going to turn around and make something
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  Speaker 12: else Alice in Wonderland-like. But, you know, for this moment
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  Speaker 12: in time... I'm not angry at him and it's been
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  Speaker 12: a long time since I can say that.
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  Speaker 2: This window I can enjoy. And that's what it was.
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  Speaker 12: I sat there for like an hour and 20 minutes
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  Speaker 12: and I was just like, oh my god, I don't
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  Speaker 12: hate Tim Burton. I'm okay with everything that's going on here.
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  Speaker 12: The few things that he changed and expanded upon are
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  Speaker 12: good changes and the new characters he brought in are
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  Speaker 12: really kind of cool and are, again, very true to
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  Speaker 12: his roots because they're all based in old.
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  Speaker 2: Horror movies so it's I don't know, it's.
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  Speaker 12: All really good additions and the core material that I
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  Speaker 12: always like. I have the old VHS of the original,
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  Speaker 12: and I like that story, and he just sort of
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  Speaker 12: builds on it, and it still works on its own.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like it's sad that it's actually gotten
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  Speaker 1: that way with Tim Burton. I mean, just because when
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  Speaker 1: he started out, he was so unique and fresh, and
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe that's what it is, is you know,
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  Speaker 1: this new magician comes onto the scene and he shows
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  Speaker 1: everyone a couple of tricks and it's like, oh, I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen those tricks before. Show me something else. And
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  Speaker 1: all he's got is like the same two or three
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  Speaker 1: magic tricks you come to learn, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: disappointing because you can only do that sort of spooky
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  Speaker 1: permutation so many times before it becomes a cliche. So
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  Speaker 1: I kind of liked, I mean, Big Fish at least
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  Speaker 1: felt like a deviation from that. And Ed Wood, basically
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  Speaker 1: with me, I think the two strongest ones are Ed
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  Speaker 1: Wood and... Sweeney Todd, and I think that's where he
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  Speaker 1: both dabbled a little bit above what he usually does,
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  Speaker 1: but at the same time, all of his usual sort
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  Speaker 1: of mechanics and archetypes were there, and they worked his
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  Speaker 1: advantage based on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would maybe be the best thing he ever did.
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  Speaker 3: It's damn near perfect.
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  Speaker 12: And again, the one peak in the middle there, outside,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, Big Fish still goes back a ways, but
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  Speaker 12: Sweeney Todd, it was better like again it seems so
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  Speaker 12: cookie cutter like of course they gave him sweeney todd
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  Speaker 12: but giving him that familiar material i'm like well that's
• 9:48
  Speaker 12: yeah that's kind of a good version of it and
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  Speaker 12: and he was i mean it did fit him so
• 9:53
  Speaker 12: it was a good move it just seemed so easy.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why at first I was torn on it,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, it just seemed so easy,
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  Speaker 1: but then I thought, well, why not? Because if somebody
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  Speaker 1: else did it, and it was just kind of a mess,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, they should have given it to
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  Speaker 1: somebody like Tim Burton.
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  Speaker 12: He probably could have done something with that. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 12: I grew to accept it for that. That's one of
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  Speaker 12: the few that I didn't hate. I still, like, didn't
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  Speaker 12: put it way up there, but again, I've only watched
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  Speaker 12: it that one time. I feel like I need to
• 10:16
  Speaker 12: go back and re-watch it and try to give him
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  Speaker 12: a fair shot this time because, again, I go in
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  Speaker 12: so guarded into his movies now.
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  Speaker 1: Watching Sweeney Todd, I think the only thing that I
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  Speaker 1: missed from it that is present in Ed Wood is
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  Speaker 1: just the Burton regulars, apart from Helena Bonham Carter and
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: Johnny Depp. It won't go away. I want some Jeffrey
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Jones in there because he's not in prison anymore. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he could have been in there.
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  Speaker 2: Anymore. So, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised how much I enjoyed it and
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  Speaker 3: just how.
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  Speaker 12: Good the visuals are, just handing it to people who know.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe that's part of it, as I was thinking
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 12: Maybe it's because now you need so many people to
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  Speaker 12: make something like that that maybe all these other people
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  Speaker 12: are kind of keeping it on track. Because you can't
• 11:03
  Speaker 12: do it single-handedly when it's something that big and that
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  Speaker 12: much hands-on.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: Well, it didn't help with Corpse Bride, though. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: really seem to help with that. Because that, I remember...
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  Speaker 1: really being excited and just finding it so boring.
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  Speaker 3: Again yeah visually i thought it looked great and story-wise
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  Speaker 3: i was just like i kind of don't care about
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  Speaker 3: any of this.
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  Speaker 12: Which i didn't have that with this one i think
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  Speaker 12: you would feel invested in the characters and i think
• 11:25
  Speaker 12: almost the new characters they bring in are the most
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  Speaker 12: entertaining they're a lot of.
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  Speaker 9: Fun i mean i didn't hate corpse bride but i've
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  Speaker 9: just it pissed me off because you don't really know
• 11:34
  Speaker 9: which girl to like root for you're like i don't
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  Speaker 9: know i'm kind of ambivalent like you just end up
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  Speaker 9: with one.
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  Speaker 12: Of them whatever Well, and that's always like the worst
• 11:42
  Speaker 12: in that type of, even in like bad romantic comedies.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, don't we want somebody to root for?
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  Speaker 3: Like if they're both lame, like what are we watching
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  Speaker 3: this for?
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  Speaker 2: So it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: I like the animation and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked really good.
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  Speaker 9: It was very dark though.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, we talked about Blythe's spirit a few episodes ago
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  Speaker 1: and it's almost the same sort of storyline with Corpse
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  Speaker 1: Bride where you've got like the living girl and you've
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  Speaker 1: got the dead girl and both of them want the
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  Speaker 1: guy and he's trying to deal with both and Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Go back and watch Corpse Bride and see how similar
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  Speaker 1: they are and think about it.
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  Speaker 7: Was that based on anything? Or was that original?
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Blythe Spirit was based on... It
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  Speaker 1: feels like it's a play when you watch.
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  Speaker 2: Corpse Bride. Okay, it is a play. It's Noel Coward.
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  Speaker 1: But when he's talking about Corpse Bride, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like Blythe Spirit. I was thinking Blythe Spirit
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  Speaker 1: was based on a play.
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  Speaker 12: Other than that, I was trying to think of something else,
• 12:42
  Speaker 12: and it goes back a little ways, but I did
• 12:44
  Speaker 12: finally watch The Grey. I can't believe those wolves kidnapped
• 12:49
  Speaker 12: his daughter. I mean, that just seems really unlikely, I suppose.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know why Liam Neeson can't hold on to
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  Speaker 1: his family.
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  Speaker 2: It's not one of those skills, that special set of
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  Speaker 2: skills he has, pulling onto his family.
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  Speaker 12: It still amuses me that he waited until he's an
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  Speaker 12: old man before he started making action movies.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he tried with Darkman. Harrison Ford created the genre
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  Speaker 2: of octogenarian action pictures. Sean Connery.
• 13:20
  Speaker 12: Air Force One was... Sean Connery kept doing them for.
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  Speaker 1: A long time. The fourth Indiana Jones in the long,
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  Speaker 1: long nap.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, this one, I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: Again, it's just so weird that he's... Actually, it seems
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  Speaker 12: less like the Taken series kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: It is sort of its own thing.
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  Speaker 3: Has anybody else seen it?
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  Speaker 1: I won't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't convince myself to watch it. I've had it cued,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just not going to watch it. Well, this
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  Speaker 2: probably won't push it up to the top. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. It's good, but it's so dark. Like, it's
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  Speaker 2: just so depressing.
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  Speaker 12: Like, before he gets in a plane crash, before there
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  Speaker 12: are wolves hunting him down.
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  Speaker 2: He's suicidal.
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  Speaker 3: Like, he's depressed now.
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  Speaker 12: Terminally before we even get into the storyline it's like
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  Speaker 12: a russian play yeah it really like it's just it's
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  Speaker 12: so dark to begin with and then it just like
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  Speaker 12: the earth opens up and he falls down into these
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  Speaker 12: other levels of horror and it's i mean it's it's
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  Speaker 12: well done and it's well acted and i like Wolves
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  Speaker 12: attacking people?
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, I was on board.
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  Speaker 9: That happens, though.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which, again, in this one happens a lot. They are
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  Speaker 2: all over them. Like, again, in the real world, I
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  Speaker 2: think wolves kind of try to stay away from people.
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  Speaker 2: Not this movie.
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  Speaker 6: There's never been a documented case of a wolf attack,
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  Speaker 6: unprovoked wolf attack in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Even though we eradicated them all.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They're plotting something, though. You know it. They have to
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  Speaker 2: be at this point. I just looked up if we
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: want to, like, the Corpse Bride is based on Jewish folklore.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's based on Jewish folklore. That's true. And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: the idea of originality, if you go way back, meant
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: the opposite of what it meant today because people back
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: then didn't want something new. They wanted something that had
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  Speaker 2: its origins. And so writers who actually made a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff up would tend to attribute it to it
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  Speaker 2: was an old Jew. They would just say that so
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: they could write their own stories. But people wanted things
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  Speaker 2: to be authentic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like whenever you pick apart the entomology of a word,
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  Speaker 1: it's no different than like, have you ever heard the
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  Speaker 1: origin of burlesque?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: It was apparently during vaudeville. And this was back when
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of stars got their start in Burl Ives.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently had an actor where he would get up and
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  Speaker 1: he would sing just his folk songs. And apparently there
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  Speaker 1: was like some big heat wave or something. And he
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: took off like his outer coat and he took off
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  Speaker 1: like a shirt and just the audience started going crazy
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  Speaker 1: over it, just like laughing. So he started doing it
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  Speaker 1: and it became like a shtick. where every time he
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  Speaker 1: would get up and sing these folk songs, he would
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  Speaker 1: take off his clothes. So by the end of the act,
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  Speaker 1: he was just up there with the guitar blocking his genitalia.
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  Speaker 1: And so then, if it became like some act where
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  Speaker 1: people would take off their clothes, it was said to
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  Speaker 1: be Burl-esque.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Now, there are people who would believe that. Lucy's over
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  Speaker 1: there laughing from the start.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 10: I thought that sounded.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was plausible. It sounded....
• 16:50
  Speaker 12: The last thing I need to think of is Burl
• 16:54
  Speaker 12: Ives doing the naked cowboy.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was naked when he did all the voiceovers
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: for Rudolph. You never know.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I like to think about.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: That when I'm in the mood for Christmas.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I heard the other day that for the first 40
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: episodes of the Flintstones, what's his name? Barney. The guy
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: who does all the voices.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Casey Kasem?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: No, all the voices in the world. Bugs Bunny.
• 17:23
  Speaker 12: No blank.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: No blank. Was in a body cast on his back
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: when he was doing Barney in the first season of Flintstones.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And the last thing he said that was recorded was,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: that's all folks. And he was in a coma, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: he came out of the coma when a doctor came
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: in and said, How are you, Bugs? And he said,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: What's up, Doc? Yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: So these things sound plausible.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. So, yeah, it's based on Jewish folklore. Similar plot.
• 18:06
  Speaker 12: So the corpse bride married Gollum is what you're saying.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. I thought you were saying that Bugs Bunny cartoons
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: were based on Jewish folklore.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, they are.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they are. Yeah, they are, too.
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: They are.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: So your experience watching Frank and Weenie was basically like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like when Flanders woke up and said, oh,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: my God, I hate Homer Simpson. It was like when
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Homer woke up and said, oh, my God, I think
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I hate Ted Koppel. And then he thought, no, I don't.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I find him witty and informative. And he went back
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to bed. I don't know that it was either of those.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You've got to pick one. It's one or the other.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Eat my shorts?
• 18:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Anyway. Anyway.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: The Grey.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 12: Again, it's really well done, I suppose. I will say,
• 19:00
  Speaker 12: having watched the movie, it's really odd going back to
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: the trailer. I'm like, what a weird way that they
• 19:08
  Speaker 12: pieced together that trailer and then watching the movie. Because
• 19:11
  Speaker 12: I'm like, this is not.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: A good way to.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: The people that make the trailer should not be in charge.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: They should really... For years I've said that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 12: So they should really let the director make their own trailer.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Because whoever cuts them messes everything up. I hate it
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: when I see a great trailer and I watch the
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: whole movie and the thing I want to see is
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: just not in it. Yep. That happens a lot. Or
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: all the funniest parts are in the trailer.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Or they set it up to be something that it's not.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: See, I know it would be.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: In some cases they will splice stuff that was made
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: for the trailer into the movie. Like the arrow going
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: through the woods in Robin Hood.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: Everybody needed that. And they thought, oh, that's cool. Let's
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: put it in the movie. But what was that Owen
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: Wilson movie where he's dropped behind? Oh, it's Behind Enemy Lines.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. The one with, oh, that's the title. Behind Enemy Lines.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But I remember seeing a commercial for that, and he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: walking along singing, what, a Doobie Brothers song? Like he's
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: walking along in the frozen tundra saying like, Oh, black water,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: keep on rolling, Mississippi. And I just thought that was
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like a really credible moment, and it's never in the movie.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It's never there. And then they did that Coldplay song
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: in the Peter Pan movie. And it's never in the movie.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Trailer music, they'd pick whatever. They could care less.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, in the way of trying to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: encourage variety amongst trailers. I've always wondered, would it work
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: if you actually had an Academy Award for the shorts
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: if you had it for the best original new trailer?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Would that encourage diversity, or would it just encourage people
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to make more cookie-cutter stuff? That could go either way.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: There's people pushing for that.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I've heard that people argue over what's in the trailer,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: because sometimes the writers of the property... don't want certain
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: things given away in the trailer but then the marketing
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: people say no and one example of that you need
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to have that is is the simpsons movie they wanted
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to do spider pig and the writers like it's no
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: that's the funniest thing in the whole movie we don't
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: want that to already be out we want people to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: watch the movie and.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Which the sad thing is it's not that funny to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: begin with.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Well, it's, you know, it's the Simpsons. But they said...
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: It was the Simpsons when they probably should have started
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: wrapping it up. Yeah, they said, no, you want people
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to be getting in line for that movie with that
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: song because that's, like, that's what's going to get them
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to want to watch the movie.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's Family Guy every time someone says that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: What, Spider-Pig?
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: Spider-Pig.
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: I just think that's Family Guy.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: You're probably right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Somehow. You know, the Simpsons movie, I thought would have
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: been a great opportunity to finish the series, like finish
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the series with a movie and all of that. But
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they brought back another super villain
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: voiced by Albert Brooks. That wasn't Scorpio. It's like, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you could have brought back Scorpio and you could have
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: almost made it like a big James Bond thriller to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: where like, they're going to just take over, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: he's going to take over the entire city or world. And,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it just ends. I mean, you could have,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I think that would have been a very entertaining way,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: but it's like, no, we got to just do a movie.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Keep doing the show ad nauseum.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Did they actually have a dead horse in it that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they beat?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Because that would have been really funny. That's actually a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: South Park reference.
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: See, they should have done that with a lot of
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: TV shows. That's also where the X-Files should have stopped
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: as well.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Because the movie's pretty good. Everything after the movie.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I heard the second film was dismal.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Well, and I heard why. It's not really their fault.
• 22:56
  Speaker 12: They were contractually obligated to make that movie at that point.
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: It was during the writer's strike, but they'd already greenlit
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: it and it had to be made, and they had
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: nobody to write it. And they're like, we have to
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: have this out by this date, and there's nobody to
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: write it. So they're just shooting things. It makes no
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: sense because they had nobody there writing it, and they
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: couldn't legally have anybody.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you had a decent director... They could
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: have made heads or tails out of something.
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: Possibly, but again, at that point they should have given
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: them a way out.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: They should have made a movie that was nothing but
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: flashbacks from the television show.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Scully, remember the time?
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Dream sequence, dream sequence.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Just make the entire movie an extended version of the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: home episode because everyone who watched that show just remembers
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: how terrifying that episode was. It's the one that stuck
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: I was just thinking they should just not even make
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: it one of the cheesy X-Files kind of plot.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Lines, but just have it like they end up together,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: and it's just sort of.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Them around the house for an hour and a half,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: making dinner.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Want to watch TV tonight?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go. The truth is in here. Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: it's just them just kind of hanging around. Did you
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: let the dog out? But I thought the point of
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the movie was like they were investigating all this unknown
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: stuff out there in the world. And they didn't know
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that they were in love with each other. That was
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. There was all this... And so I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: thought to end it, they had to make porn. There
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: was no way to end the show. I told you,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they did. It's out there. The porn is out there.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's out there. The porn is out there. You want
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to believe it's out there. But no, I mean, it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the whole show, the whole basis of the show. It's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: kind of like Deadwood... was about how the scum of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the earth comes together and forms a society and they change.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: It's about order. And so like these evil people who
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: are just coming there to find gold and, and get
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: rich and they're the scum of the earth, but they
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: start to create like supportive bonds with each other, despite
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: their own nature. And so it really can't go on
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that long. Yeah. With a lot of shows, it's like...
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: It grows away from the heart of the show.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: But.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: In X-Files, it's like, how much do you have to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: see and still not believe? Because after a while, it
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: becomes ridiculous.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Well, after a while, it just seemed dense. Yeah, it
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: makes no sense. It's like, bitch, you.
• 25:28
  Speaker 16: Know what you saw last week.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: We all saw it. Yeah, stuff was floating, and now
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you're going, oh, Mulder, here you go again. It's like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you saw the goddamn.
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: Spaceship, too.
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: I'm only, like, in season four, but I remember... camera
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: if it's in this one or in season three like
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: it really upset me when it turns out that she's
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: all religious yeah and then molder's being all skeptical and
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: she's being indignant.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah oh have you seen many of her like her
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: own special episodes where it focuses.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: On her dad crisis of faith.
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: And science and oh god referring to yeah it's like
• 26:07
  Speaker 14: she's all skeptical except when it comes to like there's
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: evidence for the stuff molder's talking about but then yeah
• 26:13
  Speaker 14: She had a near-death experience.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: She's a scientist. She should know how that works.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I hate episodes and shows like that where it's obvious
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: that one of the main characters is like, I want
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: an Emmy episode. I want something where people stand up
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and take notice of it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen the one where she's floating in
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the canoe for no reason? Like, in and out of the...
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: She's just out there being thoughtful for a while.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Are you making that up like I did the.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I am not making that up.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, but.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Another origin is, I believe, Marvel copyrighted superhero with a hyphen.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: And I think DC copyrighted superhero as two words. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: all the rest of us say it as one word.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Just superhero is one word.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: But I heard that origin story. That's why you see
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it in those different ways. It's because it's been copyrighted
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in different forms.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Does that mean one word is up for grabs?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so. I'm getting on that right now.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, superhero.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: You can get the action figure, the turkey-headed thing. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: don't think anybody's done that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That was one thing that really, when I went to China...
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: one of the first things I wanted to do is
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I wanted to go and find, I found a Walmart,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the only Walmart that existed, not because I like Walmart,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to find all the stereotypical chinglish, as
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: they're called, packages. And sure enough, like one that just
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: cracked me up, I remember just standing in the aisle
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and laughing until I had tears, was it was Scramble
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Body Action Man with real watchword sound. And I was like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what's going on.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Did you buy it?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: No, actually, later on, I was walking down the street,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and somebody had bought one at the end of the package,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: so I just took the section of the package that
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: had it. I didn't even have to worry about the toy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: Have you seen the, like, superheroes? Speaking of superheroes, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: superheroes that they sell. Again, they end up here at
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: the flea markets that are just like... It doesn't even matter. Like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: I've seen totally different toys inside the package, but the
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: packaging is... just random like stuff they take off the
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: internet i guess like it'll be like at first i'm
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: like all right it's like a picture of the dc
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: drawn superman and then like batman from the movie like
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: all right well they're both from you know the universe that's.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Cool spider-man all right well.
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: They're all superheroes you're going outside the realm but they're
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: you know it's cool power.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Rangers what What?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: And then the dad from The Incredibles.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: What the hell is this?
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: And it usually is like knockoff Power Ranger looking toys
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: or like it's supposed to be Superman, but it kind
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: of looks more like Bizarro Superman.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, they're these horrible toys.
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: But the packaging is always hilarious because it'll be like.
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: It'll be like live action, comic book, DC, Marvel, random
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: other stuff that doesn't go. That was something else I
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: saw in the toy aisles.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I saw the Transformers toys because Transformers is huge over there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And I kept seeing Transformers Dark of the Moon. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: thought that's hilarious. And then I realized, oh, shit, that's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the name of the movie.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely the name.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like some weird translation thing like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Dark of the Moon.
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: I think that every time I see that poster or
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: the trailer, I'm like, they didn't really call.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: It that, right?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Oh they did oh they did.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah i mean transformers is huge over there because
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: um i had this discussion with a couple of fellows
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: at a bar and they were talking about you know
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: what chinese directors did i like and i mentioned i
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like chung yi mo you know i mentioned i like
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: hero and house of flying daggers and stuff like that
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and Their basic comment that they made was like, oh,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: those movies, they're beautiful to look at, but there's no
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: substance to them. And I asked, well, what do you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: all like? And they flat out said, Michael Bay Transformers.
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, whew.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Did they explain the substance deep?
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: Define substance.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Maybe there's a loss in translation. There are
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: different substances. There are.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: But apparently it just comes from the fact that only
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: so many American movies can be released over there per year.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: The government regulates it, and they also choose which ones
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: are brought over. So anything that could have any kind
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of political message whatsoever is nixed. So that's why the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: only stuff they see from America is the brainless stuff
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: like Transformers, because in no way, shape, or form is
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: going to make you think.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: Can they download things from the Internet, or is that blocked?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, actually, when I saw a couple films
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: over there, and.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: The first time I bought a ticket, the girl was
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: warning me, saying that there's no English. I was like, yeah,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: that's fine. I just wanted to watch it without knowing
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: what little of the language I did and just kind
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of pick up the plot, which I was able to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: well enough, but there was a DVD store across the street,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and as soon as the movie ended, I went over
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: there and I bought the movie I'd just seen because,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just bootlegging. It's that rampant over.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: There that you can see a movie and immediately there
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: will be a store built across the street selling it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: That's how fast the bootlegs are.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Which actually, I have that movie. I could just burn
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: copies for all of us and we could watch a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: movie that none of us knows the language to and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: review that. That's actually maybe a future idea.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Just make up our own dialogue.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: To my knowledge, it's never been released in the States,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but it's a fun sort of martial arts movie. What
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: we could do is do a track for the.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Movie where we would do the dialogue. We could take
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a character and just make it our own.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: We could do a What's Up Tiger Lily with it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: We could do an MXC.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: There we go. Future idea.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: And so it was.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: And then no one would have access to the show,
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: to the movie, and the episode would be blocked.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: They'd have to take our word for it. It was great.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Just here for us anyway, aren't we?
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: No, just put it on the DVD with the movie
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: and then just start giving it to people.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Be like, no, this is really how the movie goes.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Or start doing like... Harmony Corrine just leaving it there.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just leaving it. Sooner or later, you guys will
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: get it. I'd be willing to fork up the money
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: for discs to copy that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm all for this. We can put this together.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: As soon as possible.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: You share, you share.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You share. And then after that, we can just find
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: movies in English that none of us have seen, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: we just do the dialogue. Yeah, just turn down the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: volume and we fill in the rest. Anybody that actually
• 32:45
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  Speaker 20: You know, you haven't seen enough movies. All of life's
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  Speaker 4: Changing every day, every possible way. Though my dreams, it's
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  Speaker 4: never quite as it seems.
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  Speaker 19: Never quite as it seems.
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  Speaker 2: So has anybody else seen any movies? I have.
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: I went to the movies right before coming here, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: I realized after I saw it that I had an
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: inadvertent theme in my movie.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Watching this week.
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: And so I saw three movies like pretty close together,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: which kind of deal with people who had dreams and
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: passions and things. And then now we're in the movie
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: and because of life or whatever, just shit, like it
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: all gets broken down and all the shit that happens
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: with that. And I thought that was a very interesting,
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: specific theme. So it started with the lie, which I watched.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: So I could listen to the episode and, uh, which
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: I really liked because.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I'm that age and, uh, You're having these issues.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, not quite to that same extent because I'm pretty carefree.
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: I'm not trying to be a musician but sucking at
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: it while having this... I like my job, for instance,
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: but still that kind of thing appealed to me. Actually,
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: you all were making fun of the organic diapers. That's
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: what my daughter wears.
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: See?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: The G diapers.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: I was like, that's fucking hilarious.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: You are one of those people.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I really like that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Then.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: The other day I watched I Melt With You. Has
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: anybody else seen this?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I know of it, but no, I haven't seen it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It's on Netflix.
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: It's by Mark Pellington. He did Henry Poole This Year,
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: which I've not seen, but I've heard of. About these
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: four old college friends who every year they go to
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: Big Sur to just kind of reminisce and do all
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: the drugs in the world that they possibly can. And
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: so for, like, the first hour, it's just this huge,
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: massive drug orgy, and then, like, kind of things from
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: their life start to kind of come out that, like,
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: one of them, he works on Wall Street or something,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: and he's gotten into some trouble. Another guy, like, his
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: sister had died several years before, and so all these
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: stuff kind of starts to come out, and then right
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: at the midpoint, it gets weird.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And it gets dark.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It has a very... Weird ending, does it not? I
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: think I know which one you're talking about.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: So, I'm Out With You is pretty fantastic. And I
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: looked on Rotten Tomatoes and it only has like a
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: 14% approval rating, which really I can see how some
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: people may not like it and some people may really
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: like it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I did not hear good responses about it. This
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: was a while ago I heard about somebody discussing it
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: on another show and They kind of ruined the ending,
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: which I didn't need to know about, but at the
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: same time, they really did not like the movie, so
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I may have to see it now just to balance
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: things out, because you.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: Seem to like it. In retrospect, the ending does kind
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: of get a little ridiculous, but I was just really
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: drawn in by the acting and the pacing and just
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: the directing style, the cinematography, everything made it just this
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: really kind of intense experience, which maybe that's just me.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: Maybe you all go watch something.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Is there anyone in it that on the radar, so
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to speak.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Thomas Jane.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely another one.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I knew Thomas Jane was in this one.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Rob Lowe, isn't it?
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: Sasha Gray, briefly. Which I had watched The Girlfriend Experience
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: the day before. Has anybody seen that, by the way?
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: I'm dying for other people's opinions on that. So then today,
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: I went to Village 8 to see Chicken with Plums.
• 43:53
  Speaker 12: I want to see that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, which is by Marjane Satrapi and Vincent Paranote, who
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: did Persepolis. This one's not animated, though, and it's about
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: a musician, a violinist, who his wife smashes his prized
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: violin and he can't find no other violin as worthy.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: He can't get pleasure from it anymore. So he lays
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: down to die. He just decides, I'm going to go
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: to bed. I'm going to die. And so the movie
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: is about flashbacks, memories, flash-forwards, like what's going to happen
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: to his kids later in their life. And it just
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: turns into this kind of weirdly amusing yet deeply depressing
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: and kind of disturbing and oddly beautiful.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Waiting for Godot, but with a violin.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, you should definitely go see that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: I do.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I really love Persepolis.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: It's probably one of my favorites.
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: I like the graphic novel, too.
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: And this is based on a graphic novel as well
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: by Marjorie and Cedric. So, yeah, that's... That was my
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: thing this week. Also Birdemic, but fuck that.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I hear you love that movie.
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: And refuse to acknowledge the existence beyond this point.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: It's funny because I've had people tell me I need
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to see it, but to me there's a difference between...
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: laughing at something because it's unintentionally bad. And I watch
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that and I'm like, you can't tell me just based
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: on the trailer and the clips I've seen that that
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: is unintentionally bad. That, to me, is blatantly and purposely bad.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It has to be. There's no way. There's no excuse.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: The director does seem really clueless because I've seen interviews
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: with him and he does seem like he's out.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Of it in some capacity.
• 45:38
  Speaker 12: But still, I think he's conscious enough to know He's
• 45:41
  Speaker 12: not putting together a multi-million dollar movie.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is, when I started showing The Room,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it was at midnight. They have a few stipulations. The
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: first time you get it, you have to show it
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: so many times, which was fine by us. You have
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to hang the posters by a certain date when you
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: book and all this. But one of the other things
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: on there is, this film cannot be double-billed with anything,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: especially Birdemic. It's like if you... They won't let you
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: book the room again.
• 46:12
  Speaker 12: Nice.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: So this was like the first run of the.
• 46:17
  Speaker 12: Room before it really found that audience or like since
• 46:21
  Speaker 12: it's become the weird cult thing?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I guess because since it's become the weird cult thing,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I almost interpret that as the people who own the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: room recognize that this is trying to ride on the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: coattails of make something that's funny bad.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And they want to protect that?
• 46:35
  Speaker 12: Well, I think they would cancel each other out, right?
• 46:38
  Speaker 12: I mean, you can't have both that bad at the
• 46:40
  Speaker 12: same time.
• 46:41
  Speaker 16: Yes.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: You're only going to pull in one audience or the other,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I would think.
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: If Birdemic was unintentionally bad, then there's no excuse for
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: that level of laziness. There's no way everybody involved was
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: that clueless. And if it is intentionally bad, then they
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: just went so over the top it was just, again, lazy.
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: So it just ended up pissing me off. Not one
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: to watch by yourself.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: If you're all smoked up.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: Like, I thought it was the perfect time.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know. It's looking great.
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: I was like, no. So I went on Facebook and
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: just kind of did a live commentary of how much
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: I hated it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Which it was just a series of, fuck this movie.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Fuck these exploding birds.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Fuck this.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't say fuck.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: I just said the birds explode.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: The birds explode.
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Way to spoil it, dude.
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, spoiler alert, the birds explode. But only in that
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: first scene. Later, they just crash into things.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: See, I remember joking about that when I heard Michael
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Bay was planning on, and maybe still is planning on,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: remaking the birds. Oh, God. You didn't know about that?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Exploding birds.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It was back when I was reading about upcoming remakes
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that somebody else was going to remake Don't Look Now.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that'll work.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: That'll go great.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Somebody needs to stop Michael Bay. I'm not saying anything
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: should happen, but.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: So I decided I would talk about Birdemic tonight, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: then after this point, I am not acknowledging his existence anymore.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm just not going to.
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: So that's it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: You've gotten it taken care of. Anyone else seen anything?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Last night I saw Samsara.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, we've got to clear out a couple hours here.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: You're pretty taken with this movie.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I was taken with this movie. And actually, I think
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: so was everyone else, because Doreen, I mean... I actually
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: kind of polled the audience before we even showed it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And I just flat-eyed. I was like, has anyone seen
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: this movie? This is the first time out of all
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: of our midnights that we've done that no one had
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: seen the movie we were getting ready to watch. And
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: from beginning to end, you did not hear, like, the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: crinkle of a popcorn bag or, like, the rattle of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: ice in a drink or anything. I mean, it's just
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: everybody in this audience that was pretty packed was just
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: focused on it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: We're demonstrating what it was not like.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: None of that.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And, I mean, for those who aren't familiar with it,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: it's the follow-up or companion piece to Baraka, which Ron
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Frick did in 92, and it's just music and image.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: It's the same fellow who shot the, he was the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: DP for the copywriter, trilogy, Quintus Cotsy and Paolo Cotsy
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and Nikoi Cotsy, but it's just music and image shot
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: all over the world, and it's just meant, I guess
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you could, I mean, it's open to interpretations to whatever
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you want, but for the better part, it feels like
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: just sort of allegory as to what humanity started as
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and what they have now become it's almost like the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: story of humans on the planet but i mean for
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: me it's the best movie i've seen in theaters this
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: year because it goes beyond i like it whenever a
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: movie goes beyond telling a story and it's just trying
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to convey an idea and that one it is it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: just the best way to describe it is it's cinematically
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: hypnotic i mean because it's the experience once you start
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it you're just hooked, because it's just absolutely gorgeous from
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: start to finish. And it's just, there are a lot
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: of things where he shows you, it's not a documentary
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: in the sense they tell you where the stuff is shot. Instead, again,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you're just seeing all these images from around the world,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, where's that from? Where's that from?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: And the point is to just kind of invoke the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: feeling that we live in a very, you know, almost
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: magical place, even though we take it for granted. You
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: can be very embittered about it sometimes.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: It's like a five-year span... It took him five.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Years to shoot it just because he would wait for
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: certain religious ceremonies that only took place every couple years
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to happen, or he would wait until the positions of
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: stars and stuff were right. It was very obsessive filmmaking.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: If you like any kind of time lapse with music,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it's very much so. Very trippy.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: Lisa Gerrard, right?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Lisa Gerrard and Michael Stearns, yeah, they paired up and
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: worked on that because Michael Stearns had done His other two. Yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Lisa Gerard also was the other person on that. But, yeah,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: beautifully shot. So that's one. I can't recommend that enough.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen a few things, but they mostly fall
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: into the range of stuff we might wind up talking about.
• 51:21
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I had another one of those that I was like,
• 51:24
  Speaker 12: I kind of want to go on about it during
• 51:26
  Speaker 12: the Geek Week, but I kind of just want to
• 51:28
  Speaker 12: do a whole episode.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we can.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Just, yeah, we need the list.
• 51:33
  Speaker 12: I don't know how fast we'll ever get to anything
• 51:34
  Speaker 12: on the list. But, yeah, we just need to keep
• 51:37
  Speaker 12: track of what.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: All these are.
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: Can I pose a question to the group? I've seen
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: a lot of recommendations for the film. And I decided, okay,
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go ahead and watch this.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: Only got, I had to restart it. My second time
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: to try to finish watching it, and I still haven't
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: finished watching it. And it's Beyond the Black Rainbow.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. I want to know why I can't.
• 52:09
  Speaker 15: You did?
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: I fucking love that movie.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Great. Please tell me why I need to finish it. Well,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: if you weren't.
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: Hooked immediately then I don't know what to tell you
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: yeah I just see.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: That's like high on my Netflix queue I should be
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: getting it probably this week just because everyone's recommended it
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to me but you know I don't even know what
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: it's about.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: Right well I'm not entirely sure either.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: It's hard for me you know because I'm so tired
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: most of the time and I don't have I have
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: little time to really sit down and watch an adult
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: film or not an adult film but an adult a
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: movie where you don't necessarily want your children.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: In the room and you want to be awake for
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this one well here let me ask this then is
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: it a release of something older or is it something
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: new that's the one thing I just had people recommend.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: It looks it really has he's almost obsessed with early
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: 1980s look and feel yeah it's set in the 70s
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: oh I thought it was set in the.
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: Oh no you're right early 80s because.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: He and I even read the story.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: Gosh the name of the director is even slipping me
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: right now Panos Cosmodos yeah Yeah. And he said that
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: he was obsessed with like his mom or his grandma
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: would take him to the movie video stores like all
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: of us. And he would look at these cases of
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: things that he was too young to see. And he
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: always pictured in his brain what they would look like,
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: you know, or think about what they would be like.
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: And so that's really an homage to. what he wanted to,
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: wanted those movies to look and feel like.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And, and I get that.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: And I even read that before, you know, before I
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: started watching it and it's got, it's got an extremely
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: unique feel. It's got a lot of stuff that I,
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: I think I get what he's trying to do or
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: what he's even doing. It's just that I'm not necessarily
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: enjoying it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: It drags. The shots are long. Just the tone of
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the color.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: And because he really has this knack for a tactile
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: and yet sterile feel to this lab or facility that
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: they're supposed to be in, don't you kind of feel
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: like you can almost feel the tension and sterility of this.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: place that's.
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: Why i loved it like i watched it the week
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: leading up to halloween on like a rainy afternoon so
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: the setting was kind of perfect yeah and i didn't
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: i'd watch the trailer it looked really interesting um so
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: i watched it and i just felt like this tension
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: almost bordering on a fear the entire time just because
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: the mood that he was creating with the the coloring
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: like the color scheme is fantastic and just i don't
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: know the the guy who plays a psychologist you His
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: voice just kind of got into me. How far did
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: you get into it? Did you get to the weird flashback?
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: When they're going back into the 70s or whatever, and
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: he is.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: The weirdly black man.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: The black, yeah.
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: You stopped at that point? At that point, I was
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: just like.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I think they're.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: About to throw down, don't you?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. It is so avant-garde.
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: To me, I'm like, you've got to get on with
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: the movie. You know, I knew that there's supposed to
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: be some kind of, well, it centers on a girl
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: that's in the facility and you know there's some special
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: qualities to her and you know that she's got some
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: kind of ability and he's trying to control that or
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: tap into that or learn from that or pass it on, something.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: Oh, you didn't get into any of the reveals.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose not.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: You didn't get into the reveals.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: But it was almost like um, well, you know, last episode,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: it was almost like, uh, the, uh, yeah. Uh, blood freak,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: blood freak.
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: I was trying to, you know, it was almost like, Oh,
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: I remember that.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Such a freak.
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: And that, okay, get to the point where he's going
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: to start killing people or get, get to something.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know.
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: We spent so long in setting up, um, and, and
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: establishing mood that I, I was, I was turned off. I, I.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: This sounds so much like the way people talk about
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: House of the Devil.
• 56:33
  Speaker 12: It's got that very dated feel to it, and it's
• 56:36
  Speaker 12: a super slow burn, but the people that loved it,
• 56:39
  Speaker 12: loved it, and everybody else was just like, fuck this movie.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Well, having not seen it, actually, what he's describing is
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: more what we were talking about last night when we
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: were just commenting on Samsara, trying to think, when was
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the last time something like that came out? At first
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: we thought maybe like Winged Migration or Microcosmos, but then
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: we said, well, Tree of Life kind of falls in
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: that category to where it is just music and image.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: But I remember people like that was out of the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: most recent movies we've had at the Baxter, the most
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: walkouts we've ever had out of a film. And people
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: would say, I can't get through. They wanted like, it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: like enough of the surreal stuff, get onto the point
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of the movie. And I guess that's just the difference
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: between preferences. It's like, is it something where you can
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: just let yourself immerse into the, experience or whether it
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: is just plot driven and i guess that's just i watched.
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: Like three minutes of melancholia and felt that way i
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: was like.
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: You've got to get through that that opening you yeah
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: you've got to get through the opening first hour like
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: melancholy like the first hour.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Awesome how can you not be hooked on melancholia after
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: i mean that opening sequence is beautiful the only time
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: i remember just when we when i saw that at
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the village like I mentioned this on a previous episode,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: just as soon as like that whole opening sequence ended,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: just someone, some old man leans over his wife, just goes,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: this is weird.
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: No, I, I, I was hooked right away with that. I,
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: and I was like the opening to Antichrist.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, the two kind of worked as companion pieces
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: in that setup.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: Well, speaking of that, he does systematic trilogies, uh, Europa.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Europa.
• 58:16
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Um, Idiots, Breaking the Ways to Answer in the Dark,
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: and I felt like Antichrist and Melancholy are kind of
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: the first two.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: And he's going to do something to third, yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: His next one's the Nymphomaniac. I don't know if that's
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: going to be part of that.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I love Europa out of the three. The crime trilogy. Well,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: it's not the crime, it's the Europe trilogy, I think
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: is what it's called, isn't it?
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the Europa trilogy, actually.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Is it Europa trilogy? Well, I guess it is just
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: sort of the surreal post-war environment.
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: He's still not finished the USA Land of Opportunities trilogy.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Dogville, Manderley.
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: He's got one planned called Washington.
• 58:55
  Speaker 19: Mm-hmm.
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: And I'm assuming it's Washington, like, it may have been
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: a typo with the H cut out, but it was
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: called Washington.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Of course, after he burned some bridges on his promotion
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: of Melancholia, who knows? Oh, the can. Yeah. But he
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: does that just for attention.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: Anyway, so I would say that if by the end
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: of the first five minutes of Beyond the Black Rainbow,
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: you're not just hooked, then I don't know what to
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: tell you.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: It may just not.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: Be for you.
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: Maybe it might have been i've not had the best
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: week so maybe that you know a lot of times
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: it's what i bring to the table.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: With a movie i yeah i don't know.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: I i was just told you know i guess hoping
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: that it gets better i you.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: Know it it doesn't i mean it doesn't it stays
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: kind of the same thing like you have the weird
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: black and white sequence and it goes back to what
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: it was before except then you have i don't actually
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: i really liked the trailer the trailer i think is
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: a beautifully made trailer, but it has things in it
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: that don't happen until the last ten minutes that are
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: kind of spoiler-ish and turned out. Maybe I wish I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: didn't know that this was going to happen going into it,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: but it's in the trailer.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: At this point, I.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Was waiting for something to happen.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: When it starts happening, you don't realize it's happening until
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: you're already in it.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, something's happening now. I loved it.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: You got me excited for season I've gotten recommendations. This movie,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Beyond the... Valley of the Dolls, Black Rainbow. Which is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a fun film. I've never seen that before. It's the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: only movie Roger Ebert ever wrote.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I've heard of that. Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. Russ Meyer directed it. But it's...
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it does have... You know, just as most
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Russ Meyer films do, it's... peppered with big-breasted women, because
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: that's what he likes in his films. It's a very
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: silly movie.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Is it a peppering, really? Depends on the movie.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 12: I guess.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, it's basically making fun of the types
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: of movies like Blood Freak, to where the point of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: the movie is supposed to be like a moral.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: You know, warning against going out and getting involved with
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the wrong crowd and going down the rabbit hole drugs
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and all that. Except, um, I mean, it's kind of a,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: it has a lot of different musical numbers to where
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: the music in of itself, it's like the music and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: spinal tap to where it's like, this is a parody
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of a genre of music, but at the same time
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: it's catchy or Phantom of the Paradise. But, um, no,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've, I've read tales where just like, um,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: apparently Roger Ebert was just like laughing wildly while he
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: was just typing up the script. And so Russ Meyer said, and, um,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I mean like the whole, like, um, you've seen Austin
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: powers and he makes the whole comment at the beginning
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: of the first one. It's like, this is my happening
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and it freaks me out. I mean, that comes straight
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: from that film to where it opens up with these
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: girls going to this, um, party to where just their
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: drugs everywhere. And, um, Strawberry alarm clock is actually playing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: at the party. Very much it captures that essence of, like, 70s.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: I still think Russ Meyer doesn't get credit for visuals.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Everybody's distracted by the other things.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: He's done some amazing visuals that he never gets.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: That movie, visually, is pretty damn cool.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: He never gets credit for it, because they're distracted by
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: a pre-prested one.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Or dialogue.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, dialogue in his films is usually a lot
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: of fun, too. I mean, Faster Pussycat Kill Kill was
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: a highly quotable movie.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: But it's ridiculous.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 12: But again, that one, like, visually, I think, like, it
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 12: does some really good stuff, and, like, people don't give
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 12: him credit for that, because there's silly dialogue, and they're... Well,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 12: you've seen them. That's... takes the spotlight away from anything
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 12: else he does. But I think the visuals in Lorna
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 12: are amazing. And nobody's even seen that movie. Nobody gives
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 12: it any credit. But it's one of those other ones
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 12: he did that was in black and white.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: And I think the visuals look great in that.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: See, if you don't like Beyond the Black Rainbow, if
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: you don't like Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, just
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: check out the Beyond. It's a good Fulci film. Just
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: keep going on this theme.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: I can't watch another Fulci movie after Zombie. I was
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: so bored. I just will not do it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Faulty films, if I had to recommend one that actually
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: is pretty good, I would recommend Don't Torture a Duckling.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the name gets you, but it's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: a really good giallo film. I like it a lot. Zombie,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: faulty films in general are just so trying at times.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: To me, it almost feels like when we're watching Blood Freak.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: You feel like just the movie itself is just so
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: dirty and grimy because of the camera stock that it's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: shot on and the costumes of everyone.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: And the dirty people.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And just on the end of itself, it's like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: it's utilizing hues of like browns. It's like the whole
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: color palette is the color palette off of a Waffle
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: House ceiling. It's disgusting to look at. And that can
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: only take you so far, but yeah, Don't Torture a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Duckling is a good one, and The Beyond is actually
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a really cool one, too. Very Lovecraftian when you compare
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: it to some of his other stuff. I was really
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: just bored out of my mind. I actually liked the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: zombie scene. I'm not a huge fan of zombie. I'm
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: not going to lie. Because that's one where you hear
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: about the infamous... I being torn out.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: With the spike, which is cool.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And the scene with the zombie fighting a shark underwater.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of cool. But apart from that, it's like.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: That's classic.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: This.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: It does. It drags.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: It very much.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: Oh, she stopped.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: Oh, hi.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: Hello.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Hi, Lower League. We have made contact with the outside world.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: We've been waving at people all night.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: See, look at that.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: You should have invited her in.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: She's got a dog. She's got Lulu with her.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: Did you actually know that person?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did, actually.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: He's just making up names to the dogs and the ladies.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me. Whenever somebody waves at me,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: I just say, Hi, Bo. We're alive.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Hey.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: Is there really that much of a stretch when we
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: have waving at strangers all day?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: But she did say Bo. I didn't hear her say Bo.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Really appreciated, too, was the fact that we've been doing
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: that all night and finally someone comes by. And then
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Brian is over there shaking his head because we've totally just.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: There isn't a show at this point.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: No, there isn't.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 9: I didn't hear her say hey, Bo.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 10: Sorry.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't either.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 21: All right, I think we're getting out of control on this.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 21: We will shut it down for now. And continue on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 21: with this insanity next week. So otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 21: We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 21: Thanks for listening.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 19: I'm just a poor wayfaring stranger Traveling through this world
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 19: of woe And there's no sickness No toil, no danger
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 19: In that fair land To which I go.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 10: I'm going there To see my mother I'm going there.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 16: I don't want Alan's sloppy seconds.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: No, if I'm going to do it, I at least
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: want to be first. Somehow I've lost the thread of
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: this conversation.
• 1:07:16
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  Speaker 13: The Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support
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  Speaker 13: the show, email producer at moviemeltdown.com.
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  Speaker 8: Talk hard!