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Jason Landry - Missing Person · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: What is fear? And I don't mean by definition, but
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  Speaker 1: actually at the root of it, What is fear? What
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  Speaker 1: makes us afraid of something? Is it really just a
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  Speaker 1: clown or spiders? Does how high we are off the
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  Speaker 1: ground really account for how scared we are? I think
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  Speaker 1: fear is much more than that. I think it's the unknown.
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  Speaker 1: We are fearful and afraid of the things we can't explain.
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  Speaker 1: In the case of Jason Landry, the unknown is everything,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that is what makes this case so scary.
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  Speaker 2: Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for
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  Speaker 1: a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Hey, what's up.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Wow what I was just gonna give you mad props.
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  Speaker 2: That was an amazing intro. I feel like that might
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  Speaker 2: be our best one yet.
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  Speaker 1: And then then I fucked it up with a coffee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a slurp in your straw.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I've got like a leader of ice coffee here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be wired all night.
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  Speaker 2: And you're living your best life over there, right. I
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  Speaker 2: don't actually drink coffee for anyone that doesn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: But I will drink ice coffee occasionally, occasionally, occasionally occasionally, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because it's half milk, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, when you do ice coffee, there's.
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  Speaker 2: Not quite as intensive.
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  Speaker 1: It's like half of the coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: so many different things you can add to it. This
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  Speaker 1: one I've I basically it's got milk with a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of like Irish cream flavor in it, and then
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  Speaker 1: like two pumps of vanilla and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think Myers Starbucks are extra, that's extra.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? It's a leader of fucking iced coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Of course it's extra. And it's eight thirty pm, of
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  Speaker 1: course it's I know.
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  Speaker 2: And you wonder why some names you sleep like shit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. How's it going, guys? Hopefully you're having
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  Speaker 1: a good day. Hopefully things are awesome on your end.
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  Speaker 1: We're having good good times over here, clearly, clearly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, always learn our best life.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred and ten person.
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  Speaker 2: Not always can't be always.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we try to.
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  Speaker 2: We try to put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we didn't figure out where we were on the
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  Speaker 1: Patreon list because we got.
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  Speaker 2: Patriots to think.
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  Speaker 1: I texted, Yeah, you texted you got to tell me
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  Speaker 1: where are we here?
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  Speaker 2: I'm on top of that shit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I got to open it up here to
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  Speaker 1: make sure you get all the names, make sure we
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  Speaker 1: get everything and everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a few which was epic and awesome,
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  Speaker 2: and you guys are amazing. Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta keep talking because I gotta find this.
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  Speaker 2: How can you not find it that quickly? You just
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  Speaker 2: have to find your wife and your text message and boom,
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  Speaker 2: there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we also had wifs do you have Okay?
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  Speaker 1: We had someone who messaged us to clarify how to
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  Speaker 1: say their last name, and I wanted to ensure I
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  Speaker 1: got it right.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's actually very good.
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  Speaker 1: That is what took me a little extra time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, and I just made you have to divulge
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  Speaker 2: that information.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, way to go. So you're ready for this?
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready, You're sure? Okay, feeling a bit warm, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe if you took off your seven layers of
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  Speaker 1: clothing in the middle of summer.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm drinking tea, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're insane. I'm in a T shirt and I'm sweating.
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  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Anyways, our patrons We have some amazing patrons
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  Speaker 1: had Angelica, Rice Kenzie j quint She was the one
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  Speaker 1: who told me how to say her name nice and
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  Speaker 1: I probably butchered it anyways, better not. I was just
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  Speaker 1: reading it, so I really hope I did. Amanda's got,
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  Speaker 1: Sherry and Cassie, they all signed up Patreon. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your support. It means the world. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being here. You two are absolutely incredible.
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  Speaker 1: That aside, we were on another.
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  Speaker 2: Podcast, on a podcast. It was so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it was actually our first time being interviewed by
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  Speaker 2: By another podcast. Yeah, we've been on like our local
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  Speaker 2: news and interviewed there and stuff, but we've not been
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  Speaker 2: on another podcast like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so shout out to tell me about it. Podcast
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  Speaker 1: over Todd and Charlie, where do they have Is it
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  Speaker 1: just they've got it on because they're through anchor not anchor, Yes, anchor,
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  Speaker 1: I believe. So they've got it on Spotify I think
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  Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. Yeah. Yeah, our episode's not up yet, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll let.
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  Speaker 2: You know what it is. They were from They're from tech,
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  Speaker 2: so it was quite interesting to chat with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was a good time. They're super kind people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah, I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and actually today's episode is a request specifically from them.
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  Speaker 1: M hm. So to you guys over there over on,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about it. We're going to do Jason Landry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well they must have some serious pull. Hey
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  Speaker 2: they make a request and boom, you're doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, and no I was I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: they've did a little request, sure, why not? Why not?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding, but honestly, why not, because yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to have us on their podcast and they're
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  Speaker 2: incredibly kind, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it up exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And I hadn't even heard of this case. I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe so so it's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe so so, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Believe so so so so so Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Then, well I thought I had heard of this case,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I was getting it mixed up with
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  Speaker 1: another one, because I have not heard of this one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's a relatively unknown one
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  Speaker 1: in the true crime world at least. However, Jason's story
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  Speaker 1: has gone over many news sources. Okay, so this is
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  Speaker 1: not a very old case, and we're about to talk
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  Speaker 1: all about it. Okay, you ready for this?
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  Speaker 2: You're all about it? I want to yeah, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me just get my notes up here. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna get them a little bit bigger it.
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  Speaker 2: Was in Texas, right, Yes, Okay, I got to.
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  Speaker 1: Zoom in here because I'm getting a little old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, because we've already chatted about this on here.
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  Speaker 2: You need glasses and you refuse to get glasses.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that I refuse to get glasses, it's I
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  Speaker 1: procrastinate and don't ever make the appointment.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be so curious, Actually, you go to the eye
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  Speaker 2: doctor and see what you would need?
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  Speaker 1: Me too.
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  Speaker 2: I also feel like you go there and they'd be like,
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  Speaker 2: you're fine.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, because I don't know. You just always
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  Speaker 2: have had like a good bill of health and like
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  Speaker 2: surprisingly oh good.
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  Speaker 1: What is that supposed to mean? Surprisingly good?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just always. I mean, we've done
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  Speaker 2: hell test A four for like insurance and stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: you're always like past with like flying colors, like the
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  Speaker 2: healthiest of health.
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  Speaker 1: Well, isn't that a good thing?
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  Speaker 2: And I am, but like the night before, you just
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  Speaker 2: ate like a big mac.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like, wow, thank you for the vouch
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  Speaker 1: of confidence.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very I'm very happy about that. But I can
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  Speaker 2: also see you going there and being like you actually
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  Speaker 2: your eyesight's perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I feel attacked right now, so I'm going to ignore
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  Speaker 1: that whole thing and move on. You're ready for this case?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Am I going to get attacked anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Probably?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll find out what happens, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're talking about Jason Landry. So Jason
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of your average guy, outgoing, nice and
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  Speaker 1: of course, like me, had a sweet tooth. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you just said I eat junk food and stuff. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Jason's got this right, that's fair. He loved cupcakes for sample,
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  Speaker 1: but his favorite sweet was those little red gummies called
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  Speaker 1: Swedish fish.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, those are actually really good.
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  Speaker 1: They are really good, Like in his defense, they are delicious. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten percent. So it was December, and
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  Speaker 1: this is when Jason's story starts. Jason was on winter
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  Speaker 1: break and he was heading home to see his family.
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  Speaker 1: He was driving from his apartment in San Marcos toward
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  Speaker 1: his parents neighborhood in Sienna. Plan I can't say this now,
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  Speaker 1: I swear I started planation. There we go, planation right
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  Speaker 1: on Sienna, Planation, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: That's a hard one.
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  Speaker 1: It is we We actually do look up these things
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  Speaker 1: and how to say it. People are just sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: get messages like you need to learn how to say things.
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  Speaker 1: We just don't edit these things out. We keep it
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  Speaker 1: very real with us. Yeah, so you hear the bloopers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Other people just hide that shit and we're like,
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  Speaker 2: this is us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, So Google map shows that it is about
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy seven miles apart, and it would
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  Speaker 1: take about three hours to complete the drive from place
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  Speaker 1: to place. Okay, Like many people around the holidays, Jason
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  Speaker 1: was eager to get home to see his family.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yep, that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: So Jason was a twenty one year old and he
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  Speaker 1: was a college student and he moved out to this university,
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  Speaker 1: Texas State University, nice, and it was only a few
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  Speaker 1: months before he was there studying music. He was the
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  Speaker 1: youngest son of Kent Laundry and his wife Lee the
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  Speaker 1: laundry fair enough. Yeah, Okay, so when he moved out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's over in this new town, his parents
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  Speaker 1: are over there in his old hometown sort of situation.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of where we're sitting.
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  Speaker 2: That's sad. I feel like, well, it's probably more sad
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  Speaker 2: for the parents.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean more so for the parents as for Jason.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably just kind of off on a new adventure
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, many it's probably a bit terrifying. I can imagine too.
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  Speaker 1: Potentially many young kids and students and such go off
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  Speaker 1: on you know, tours to go to another university or
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  Speaker 1: campus or college or something, or even just moving to
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  Speaker 1: a new town or something for a new perspective. It's
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  Speaker 1: something a lot of people do. Not very uncommon.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, something I'm still trying to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like I said, this was in December, and
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  Speaker 1: like many people around the holidays, Jason was wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get back home to his family. Right the thoughts of
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  Speaker 1: the holiday celebration would have potentially been in his head.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure, he would have also been ensuring that
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  Speaker 1: he had items he needed for you know, the holidays
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  Speaker 1: as well, along with his packing and his gear you know,
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  Speaker 1: from his clothes to potentially gifts. But you know, time
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  Speaker 1: would have been the factor for Jason, right. Who wants
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: to let their vacation begin or who wants to let
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  Speaker 1: their vacation begin tomorrow? Which would you prefer start now?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Oh? Of course?
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  Speaker 1: Why put off seeing your family later when you can
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  Speaker 1: see them sooner. So, with these ideas, you know, dancing
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: in his mind, Jason thought he wasn't going to wait
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  Speaker 1: till tomorrow morning before making the drive. He was going
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: to drive.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Now that's actually kind of adorable.
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  Speaker 1: So at around ten fifty five pm, Jason had his
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  Speaker 1: silver Nissan Ultima loaded up. He closed the trunk and
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: sat in the driver's seat, and he put the car
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  Speaker 1: in gear and headed off for the drive. It was
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  Speaker 1: the evening of December thirteenth in twenty twenty. There was
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  Speaker 1: cold and crisp kind of night that your breath is
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  Speaker 1: easily seen in front of your face as you exhale.
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  Speaker 1: With windshiels and temperatures, the estimate was that it would
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  Speaker 1: reach approximately twenty four degrees that night, or equal of
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: minus four degrees celsius. And remind you this is in Texas, right,
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  Speaker 1: so those temperatures are quite frigid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cold for us, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Still t shirt and shorts weather. But for some Yeah. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: Jason drove towards his parents' house, but along the route
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  Speaker 1: something happened, something that would prevent Jason from ever making
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  Speaker 1: it home for the holidays.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Jason's wrecked car was discovered by a volunteer firefighter
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  Speaker 1: at approximately twelve thirty one on December fourteenth, on the
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  Speaker 1: twentieth three hundred block of Salt Flat Road and Lulling,
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  Speaker 1: the town of Lolling.
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  Speaker 2: I should say till like twelve thirty one, like that
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  Speaker 2: night or the next morning early yeah, oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was only about two and a half hours home.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: His car was in the ditch against a farm fence.
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  Speaker 1: The engine was still running, and his headlights were still on.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit, but there was no sign of Jason anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: That's super odd. Well, yeah, really odd. The fact that
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  Speaker 2: it's like running and shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that shows something right there, something's wrong. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think that's a sign of.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. I've never even like, I mean, okay,
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  Speaker 2: if I was driving along and I came across a
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  Speaker 2: vehicle that was running and no one was around, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea what I would think, but like
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  Speaker 2: that something was not right that I don't know, this
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  Speaker 2: person like got like kidnapped or abducted or something.
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  Speaker 1: In my mind, that shows a sign of haste. You know,
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  Speaker 1: someone leave the car quickly, right for whatever reason they're.
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  Speaker 2: So like kidnapped for potentially that is a potential reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so leaving the car.
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  Speaker 2: Quickly not really on their free wale really.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, could have been might not have been. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we have no idea yet as to why, but we
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  Speaker 1: do know that car was still on. Lights are still
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  Speaker 1: on in the ditch. There was quite a bit of
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  Speaker 1: damage to the vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, like it had been in a car accident.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Then, yes, it was in a car wreck.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, sorry, I guess I didn't gather that point. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So then I actually feel like I might not be
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  Speaker 2: as concerned, just silly, but because maybe they got kind
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: of hurt or whatever, and then someone had been like
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  Speaker 2: escorting them to a hospital. It's sort of my thought.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the reason, there's a million in one reasons, but
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  Speaker 1: it shows leaving the vehicle quickly in my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry I missed that part. I thought that
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  Speaker 2: it was just parked there for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, I didn't say it was in a wreck specifically,
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  Speaker 1: but I did say it was in a ditch against
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  Speaker 1: a farm fence. Okay, But anyways, the police were of
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  Speaker 1: course quickly to call to the scene, and investigation was
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  Speaker 1: right to follow and began underway. So as we know,
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: the immediate hours after a missing person's case are brought
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  Speaker 1: to attention, these hours are the most.
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  Speaker 2: Crucial, precious hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so first and foremost, a big thank you to
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: authorities for being so quick to action in this case,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: because they were in fact very quick to action. And now,
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  Speaker 1: aside from his car obviously being in the accident and
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: still running, there are a few things that were found
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: at the scene. There were clear skid marks on the
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: dirt road leading to Jason's car, which showed a sudden
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: use of brakes and a loss of control, and law
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: enforcement officials believed that the car of the car crash
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  Speaker 1: was quote survivable.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. To know.
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  Speaker 1: One of the first things that was looked at was
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  Speaker 1: paint transfer from another car. When two vehicles collide an accident,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: usually there's a paint transfer of some kind from one
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  Speaker 1: vehicle to another, where paint, you know, is scraped off
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  Speaker 1: and it ends up being rubbed onto the next vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: But there is nothing of the sort found indicating that
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  Speaker 1: this was a solo accident.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, while this was being looked for and kind of process,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: and they're trying to find those paint transfers, pictures of
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: other evidence was already being taken. Just nine hundred feet
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: away on the road. Jason's backpack was found with his
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: possessions and a small amount of marijuana inside, and so
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: was a pile of Jason's clothing, not folded clothing, but
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: removed from one's body, clothing Jason had stripped, so it
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: seemed down to the nude and runoff in the cold
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: December night, leaving behind all his possessions, including his wallet, phone,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: oh keys.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: That is odd. That's very odd.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Well, the whole situation is odd.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that just keeps getting it. Is that a word od?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: It's an animal, It's an odd.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: It keeps getting more and more odd.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: How about extremely confusing? How's that?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go, that would make no sense to me.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well why would he do that?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Not only why would he do that? But what caused
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the accident? And you know, of course, where is Jason?
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: That's the big question here, first and foremost, where is he?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Second of all, what happened? So it didn't take long
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: before investigators contacted Jason's family, and that's when they made
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: an odd discovery. They went, they weren't expecting Jason. Jason's
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: family wasn't expecting him home as far as they knew,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: he was still in his apartment in San Marco's and
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: had no clue of him taking the road that night
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: or any time soon.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Oh like, they didn't think he was coming the next
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: day even correct.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Now, I do want to clarify. Majority of articles I
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: found did say this. However, there were some insinuating the
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: parents did expect him home that night, so I couldn't
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: find a clear answer, but majority state that he wasn't
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: expected home that night.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, so there is a.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Little bit of a stipulation there in that that note.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: But if this is the case, if his parents weren't
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: expecting him home that night. Where was Jason going? You know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was he actually going home? And if they weren't expecting him,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: maybe he was going home for the holidays for a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: surprise to the family, or was there somewhere else that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: he was going. Was there another destination. His last known
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: location via cell phone digital footprint, luckily enough, was in
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the town of Lulling, Texas, at approximately eleven twenty six
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: pm on December thirteenth of twenty twenty. Along with this,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: investigators were able to track much of Jason's last moves.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: The timeline goes a little bit something like this. Jason's
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: drive begins with the use of a navigation app called
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: ways w a Ze. He is new to the area
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: and he's only driven home twice before since since his move, so.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Says like I was almost wondering if that was odd.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: No, that's not odd. He's only driven this route twice before.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So now along the route the app pings a geolocation
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: painting a picture of exactly you know, where he's been,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: which is great. This is how the authorities are getting
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: this information. At eleven h five pm, according to Caldwell
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: count Iff County Sheriff's Investigation, Jason is driving on the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: highway on Highway Texas eighty and passes under Interstate thirty
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: five in San Marcos. He continued to head south on
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Texas eighty Highway into Caldwell County and is in meryton
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Dale around eleven eleven pm, so at eleven fifteen he
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: continues on the Texas eighty pack passes Texas one point
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: thirty and goes through several small towns, including being Fentris,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Prairie Lee, and Stairtown. Eleven twenty four, About half an
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: hour into his drive, Jason enters lulling on the Texas
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: eighty Highway. As he continues on his way through the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: intersection at Hackberry Street, where Texas eighty becomes Austin Street,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: he stops using his navigation app Weighs and instead begins
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to use Snapchat. Thankfully, they were able to continue to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: get his location and time within the Snapchat app as well.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Oh Wow.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: He continues onto Austin Street to Magnolia Avenue, where his
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: digital footprint ends. Authorities believe that instead of turning right
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: onto Magnolia as his route would have suggested, he drives
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: straight through the intersection onto East Austin Street to Spruce Street,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: which turns into Salt Flat Road, the location where his
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: car was discovered. Now it is believed that the car
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: crashed around eleven thirty four PM and his car was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: discovered at twelve thirty one, pretty much only an hour
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: after the incident. So following the discovery of Jason's car,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the area surrounding was of course immediately searched. In fact,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a total of seven major professional searches occurred, spanning over
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: over fifty square miles of the surrounding area, and nothing
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: produced a single sign of Jason or his whereabouts.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So it's literally like you just disappeared into thin air.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: It's literally like you just vanished. Hm.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's good that they are doing so much here.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That is like they're on it, on it. Sometimes, especially
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: in like missing persons cases, it doesn't necessarily seem like
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that or like more time has to pass before they
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: really like you know, get really diving deep.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Which is why I wanted to say, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a good shout out to the investigators on this case,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: because they were they were on it. They didn't waste
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: any time hmm. So that's really nice to see that
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: they you know, did what they needed to do and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: jumped into action. Now, there was also a private investigative
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: team that was also hired by Jason's parents, and they
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: had apparently uncovered circumstantial evidence that Jason was not alone
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: at the time of his disappearance.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Like someone was in that vehicle with them.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: That's what this suggests, holy shit, or not necessarily in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the vehicle, but at least at the scene.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: That's a loose one of the two, because like my
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: mind almost just goes to, like, I'm sure, but I'm
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: sure they've gotten like they probably called all the hospitals
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and like just made sure that he wasn't there because
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm he lost his memory in this accident or something, right,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and was at some sort of hospital. Yeah, that's kind
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of where my brain went, Like, that's where what I
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: feel like would potentially have happened.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That's true, that is that is a case, or that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: is something that could become the case. My argument against
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that is that this was actually quite the publicized case.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: It was on like Fox News and like it was
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: quite widely covered, So any hospital in the surrounding area
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't checked, I'm pretty sure they would have
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: been able to figure out Okay, we have this guy
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: who doesn't know his identity, but yet there's this case
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: blaring on TV of this guy missing. Yeah, oh that's
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: him on TV, like you.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Know, well, and then they closing the road and his
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: belongings in the road don't really make sense for that either.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly Now, this circumstantial evidence. I looked and I couldn't
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: find what this evidence is. Now, I assume it's currently
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: not public knowledge. I don't think it's out there for
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: anyone to just dig up. Okay, but regardless, they strongly
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: believe that a geofence warrant would enable them to locate
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a suspect as well as additional witnesses. Now, a geofence
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: warrant or a reverse location warrant, basically, it's just a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: search war issued by a court to allow law enforcement
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to search a database to find all active mobile devices
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: within a particular GEO fenced area. Okay, So essentially they
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: would be able to access the nearest cell phone tower
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and see whose cell phones were active in the area
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: where Jason went missing at that time, giving them a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: list of potential suspects.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Right, it's just wild what they like the access to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: information that they have nowadays saying.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm pretty sure that like nothing about our lives
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is private anymore.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's it's like terrifying in a sense, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: it's also it opens a lot of potential pieces and stuff.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: But then for investigators too, that's very hard, right, Like, yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: this amount of more information that they have to potentially
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: solve cases, it is probably overwhelming.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there would be so much to sift through
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it'd be absolutely insane. Yeah, but clearly all this information
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: isn't readily accessible even to law enforcement. So however, I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: pretty sure that Google has access to it, because if
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I say something like new bicycle, I'm probably gonna get
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: ads for that for the next week. Now you know.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Which you really want?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, full suspension, Santa Cruz, carbon fiber body. Oh my gosh,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: there we go. Anyways, do your work Google, you know
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: what to do. I lost my spot? Now where am i?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So anyways, this is basically very similar to how
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the police use the Rogue map to find Jason's locations
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: right through ways and Snapchat, but essentially it's much more effective. Anyways,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that particide though, the problem is that the Caldwell County
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office and the Caldwell County District's Attorney Office, for
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: one reason or another, have not agreed to make the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: warrant application.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I just want to highlight the application. It's not that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: they've been denied the warrant. You can't apply, no, they yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they don't want to apply because these are private investigators, right,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So private investigators are bringing this forward to authorities, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: authority are saying we're not going to try for that warrant.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Why well, I mean, this is my point of view here,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and I want to say again, I do not have
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the circumstantial evidence that the private investigators are referring to.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That being said, assuming that's another important word here, assuming
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the evidence is taken seriously by the authorities, it must
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: not hold much weight to it. Okay, most circumstantial evidence,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean doesn't usually hold much weight, and it usually
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: takes a lot of circumstantial evidence to really get anywhere,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: because that's exactly it. It's circumstantial, right, So either way,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it must be very strong evidence, and they aren't considering
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: drawing the warrant regarding that. Okay, However, I want to say,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: big old However, here you would think with the odd
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: circumstances like this, you'd want all the information you could get.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm thinking.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So why wouldn't they at least try for the warrant?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I mean imagine it would get you so not so
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: many names though, And.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Well even if you look into the last I don't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: know hour, Yeah, because it was an hour before his
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: car was discovered, So how many people could be within
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a mile radius of that car in the last.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Hour, well, depending how busy that highway and stuff is.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But also it was very late at night, that's true, right, Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: probably not that many.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't imagine there'd be very many around there. So
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the knowledge of warrant could provide though, regarding the cell
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: phones that were active in the immediate area of Jason's disappearance,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: could highlight could substantially help identify potential suspects and witnesses, if,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of course, there was anyone there at all.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because even if they're not finding this other potential
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: person that was with them, maybe some one saw something
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and they exactly need to recall it, right exactly.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It may not necessarily be a suspect. It could be
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: just a whitman.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never thought about that. So that makes sense.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Why not.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone could have seen Jason hit a deer and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: then him run off who knows what, right, Yeah, the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: geofencing information aside, though, there was some more information that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: came in which could point towards what happened and potentially
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: where Jason was going. See, before Jason left, he was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: on a FaceTime call with one of his friends. Apparently
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: he was going to go hang out with them. Now
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the friend had actually screen recorded the call. Why he
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: did this because, quote, man, Jason's so high right now,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he's not going to remember what he's saying. Shit, So
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: this friend hit record thinking the whole conversation was funny
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and wanted to show it to Jason later.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Oh no, meanwhile he knows that his friend's like driving.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Well about two yikes. Yeah. So one unfortunate thing is though,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the video does not have any audio, so the conversation
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: is up to the recollection of Jason's friend who actually
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: did the screen recording, but there is video at least now.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: In the video, Jason is seen rolling the exact joints
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that officials say state troopers would recover from his backpack
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: hours later, and in fact, there has actually been bodycam
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: footage released and it shows the moment that these were
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: recovered from his backpack. Okay, now, Jason's friend did their
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: best to recollect the conversation that they had during the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: video call, and he said, they're talking about spiritual awakening
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and enlightenment and opening his third eye and drug consumption.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: According to Jeff Ferry of the Calwells County Sheriff's Office,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: So that quote that I just read was from Jeff
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Ferry recollecting the conversation with the friend who was screen record. Yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: does that make sense? Yes, So it's a third party quote,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: but I guess.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: It don't totally mean what the quote means.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But they're talking about spiritual awakening and enlightenment and opening
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: his third eye and drug consumption.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow yeah hmm.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So using drugs, hallucinogenics whatever it is, for enlightenment and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: opening a third eye spiritual awakening.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, that's a very interesting conversation to have with
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: someone before you go missing, isn't it?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Like very isn't it?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I would be very concerned if like that was you,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: for example.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is wild. That is wild conversations to have
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: first and foremost before driving yeah. And second of all, yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: right before you go missing.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, that's very alarming.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Now, these conversations and topics would also align with Jason's
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: recent his story search on the Internet, leading apparents.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Those freaking Internet searches. It can't even clear them, really,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you can't. Well you can't not to authorities exactly.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they can dig down. If someone really wants to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: know what's been on your computer, they can find it.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Even if you hit that delete history.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sure some people know how to permanently delete it though.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by breaking your computer.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Well, there has to be some other way, you think,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: His Google search would also include things such as this
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: quote how long can you live in the woods without food?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And or how long can you go in the wilderness?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: End quote, along with parent topics surrounding spiritual awakening, drugs
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and psychedelics.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, and I was also waiting to see you
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: had something to do with like a cult of sorts.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: But this is interesting. But they did a lot of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: searching in those woods, so you think that they would
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: have found him, You would think, huh, those are okay.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I'm watching the Gears turn I know this.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Is just unbelievable. This is I'm really going down a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole in my brain right now. This is not
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: really what I expected.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Well, where is your brain going? What sort of rabbit
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: hole are you currently diving down?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Well, at first it was like, gosh, is he joining
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: like some sort of cults like that He's never gonna
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: be found or come out of this right or is
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: it going to be like years that he does or
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: is he just on his own and wanting to be
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: doing some sort of spiritual awakening on his own?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But then.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I had to like stop it. I distracted Nicole.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Our dog was like super dreaming and stuff, and she
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: was starting to like make a lot of noise. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys could hear it anyway.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: So I was hell undistracted. But anyway, just to go
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: off go on that again. I feel like he would
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: have been found if he was on his own doing
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: this in the wilderness mostly searches, is my thoughts. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm like, is he somewhere else that's like
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: some sort of cult thing or like, because if he
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: did this on his own, I just think that they
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: would have found him.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I mean most likely, but it's clearly we don't know
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: for sure because they did, okay, fifty square mile search.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: What if he just so happened to be walking at
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a pace that took him at fifty five miles away?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I guess who knows? Right, that's what happened.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Long time though, and like a long ways and he's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: not dressed for this, and he's not like did he
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: have a shoes on it? And stuff? Right? Like would
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: he have made it that far in these conditions?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: That's that's a big question. So where am I now?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Oh right? Even more interesting though, is in the video
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: with the FaceTime call and Jason and his friend, Jason
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: is actually sweating heavily with large wet spots in his
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: shirt underneath the arms in his armpits. Now, this is
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a sign, police say, may very well indicate a reason
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: for Jason stripping down to nothing, even in the cold
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: December temperatures. If he was under the influence and he
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: was driving, it's reasonable to think that a solo accident
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: could occur. It's also reasonable to think that he may
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: act upon some of his Google search terms, and finally,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: reasonable to think that he could have just stripped down.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: He could have been overheating for one reason or another,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: depending on his consumption of what he had in his system.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he could have just been so under the influence,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: like you do weird shit, right. But then I also again,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like that they probably would have found him.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: That is the big part here. There should be a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: sign of Jason somewhere. Yeah, but there's not. That is
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the problem.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Why unless while he was doing this his episode, someone
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: just like picked him up.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Or maybe he was a stow away somewhere. Maybe he
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: jumped on board a truck or something.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, who knows. I mean, there's probably a
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: million ideas you could come up with.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, the list goes on. So police believe
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: it's actually reasonable to think that nothing suspicious has taken
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: place and others may not actually be involved. They believe
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: he was on his way to see a friend in
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: his hometown and ended up in an accident and due
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to his inebriation, basically just ran off. Now Officer Ferry,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the one that I was referring to earlier, believes this,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and he actually believes that he's succumbed to the freezing
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: temperatures and was devoured by wild hogs.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: He believes his body was actually consumed by the animals
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: in the area and that's why he hasn't been.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Found bones and all.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, pigs are definitely known to be chewing
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and eating bones like all of it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: We don't have wild hogs here, so I don't really
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: know what that looks like.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Actually, apparently there are some in BC.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I've never seen him, but I'd probably be more afraid
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of that than seeing a bear.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: They are vicious, Like, what the hell is that. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: can't confirm if there is or not. I've just heard stories.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So now, of course this is this is not confirmed,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and it's not the only theory out there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I imagine there's a lot.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but before we move on to the next few
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: theories that we do have, I just do kind of
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: want to unpack this whole wild hogs thing a little
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: bit more. I'm going to say I call bullshit on
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: wild hogs devouring Jason. Okay, I'm going to just assume
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that he's correct that Jason ran off to come to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the freezing temperatures, and let's say for this conversation he
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: unfortunately did pass away and is lying somewhere in the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: bush Okay, let's say that wild hogs did find him
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and did start consuming him. You're telling me that how
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: quickly they started searching seven professional searches over fifty square
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: miles didn't come up with a single bone.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, So like in that time, there's no way that
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the whole remains would be gone.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Correct in your in your onion, I one percent do
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: not think that the entire body would be gone right,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: No way, especially considering how long it would take for
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a entire human body to be consumed. Okay, let's say
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the pigs are going to go to town and eat
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: this entire body, every speck of it. Okay, They're not
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: going to have the time to do that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I do kind of hate this theory.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I do too, and that's kind of why I'm wanting.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: To get very disturbing.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They're not going to have the time to do this
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: because say you have a whole pack consuming an entire human.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: They're concerned about other wildlife in the area and another
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and food out there is going to attract coyotes and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: attract wolves. These things aren't sticking around long enough to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: be gluttonous. They're going to eat their fill and get
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: on their way. There is no way they're devouring bones
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in the wild in do.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: They bury their food? No, no, no. I do also
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: have to say, this is so awful for the parents. Oh,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Like I can't even imagine, because it's no closure whatsoever,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: they probably feel like he's still alive somewhere and like
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: hoping that he just comes home randomly at some point. Yeah, like, gosh,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: that's the worst.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And this whole conversation of the wild hogs would one
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: hundred percent be so bad for family members to listen to.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: But that's why I wanted to debunk it, because I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: don't think this was the case. I don't think he
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: went through something that horrific.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, how many wild hogs are they running around?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I have questions about this generally.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can find packs of a lot of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: wild hogs. Feel it's not typical to be more than
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like a dozen.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like it'd be very quick for them to
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: devour a human body, in my opinion, but not necessarily
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the bones.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: That shit has to be a while, would be remains,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: there would be anyways, Off the wild hogs. Let's get
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: on to some of the other theories that was I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: hated that part of the conversation, but I did want
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to throw that out there because I do think it's important.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So anyways, while most of Officer Fairry sorry, while most
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: such as Officer Fairy, say it's impossible for Jason to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: have come into contact with anyone else during his car
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: drive car ride, I mean up until that moment. There's
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: no time before that anyone could have joined him. Maybe
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: after the crash, sure, But this theory brings up the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: moment that Jason neglected to make the right hand turn
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in the town of Lulling at that intersection where he
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: failed to turn right and proceed to the I ten Now,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a former FBI agent based in San Antonio by the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: name of I'm gonna probably say this is wrong. I'm
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: going to try Able Penna and his team of private
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: investigators who are working on his case for free of charge.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: He had this to say, quote, perhaps he was not
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: driving that car that night, and someone else may have
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: been driving that car. We strongly believe that something happened
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: at that intersection that caused him to go down that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: road that night.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, So saying that he was with.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Someone potentially, yeah, that's what they're saying.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: And there took that turn intentionally.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, So the theory that Officer Farry says, there's no
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: way there was anyone else in the vehicle. He can't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: prove that up until after the crash, because now we
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: have a vehicle on the side of the road. Who
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: knows how many people could be involved, right, Yeah, but
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: up until that Officer Ferry says no one else involved. However,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: this former FBI agent and a private investigator says otherwise.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: He thinks at that intersection, at that moment, someone else
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: could have joined in or been a part of it somehow. Now,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: something interesting that I actually dug up on Reddit. A
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Reddit user by the name of responsibility number eight seven
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: nine eight wrote this, how about he was never in
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the car when it crashed. When he switched off the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: app and went to snap is when someone else had
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: his phone and the car. His last snap was his
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: last Someone had his car and crashed it and tossed
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: his belongings. Go look where his last blueprint of his
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: snap was and look there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I think they bring up a really good point. Do
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: we know that he was actually at that car when
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it crashed?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I even kind of thought about at
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: one point, like, why would he have just stopped using
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Google Maps, like all of a sudden just or knock, sorry,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: we got why. I use Google Maps for my navigation,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: But like how at that point when he switched to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: snap or whatever to check, why wouldn't he be going
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: back in his map app to know where he's going?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Like at that point, he just all of a sudden
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: knows where he's going. And I thought that in my head,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: but I never said.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Anything, especially if he did make a wrong turn. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: area he's not familiar with. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: that does so. I actually really like what this Reddit
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: user is kind of talking about. Whether this specifically is
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: fact or fiction, I don't know, but the idea of,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: you know what, maybe he wasn't even in the car,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: maybe he left prior to maybe it was at his
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: last snap location, or maybe it was even before that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Whoever else was driving could have been using the snapchat app.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And this friend that he was talking to on his phone.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: There was never any evidence or anything in there that
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: he was with anyone though.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Correct correct now. In May of twenty twenty one, Jason's
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: family announced that they were offering a ten thousand dollars
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: reward for anyone who had any information on what happened
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to Jason. So I do want to put out there
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: if you have any information regarding the disappearance of Jason Landry,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you can actually contact them and you can even call
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: anonymously at the number seven to six seven seven seven
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: one three five nine. I really do hope Jason has
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: found and I am really adamant that there is no
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: way I believe that wild hogs devoured him. I think
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: that is an absurd theory.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: In my mind, it's a theory just to be able
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to close the case. Potentially it is right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And one thing in my mind is, Okay, if you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: want to look at, say your adamant wild hogs were
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: responsible for his disappearance, I'll say, look at Robert Picton's case.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: He had to grind up his victims. There was still
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: remains left over years later. Yeah, I'm gonna say that.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing that up, just saying, just saying Robert
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and that was.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Pigs that he fed his victims.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Too, So I'm among some of the other things.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's a very simply, very simplified version. Yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: but yeah, so that is the case of Jason Landry.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: He is unfortunately to this day missing, But.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: There still seems like there's a lot of people working
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: on this case.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, it is still a very fresh case. It is
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: an open case. I honestly, I'm not sold that Jason isn't.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I think he might still be alive. The likelihood of it,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, is a slimmer clearly. However, I think
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Jason's still out there. I really do.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean it's not even been two years.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I guess, right, like, yeah, it hasn't.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, in the searches and stuff, that's it's wild.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: But then it's also if that was the case with
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: all those searches and stuff, like why didn't and why
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: was this gear left behind?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: You know, well, if you look at it this way,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: he was looking on how to survive out in the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: wilderness and spiritual awakening and stuff. Maybe he actually had
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the skills to go out and survive. Maybe that's exactly
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: what he did. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: not saying that's likely, but it is a possibility.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: It is. But at this point, I feel like you
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: would have come back.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Who knows, I don't know. There is a chance that
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: he might just knock on his parents' front door one day,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: which would be incredible.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Which would be amazing, Like what a mystery this is,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and just the agony that his parents are and I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: just like hate that. But I don't know. I sort
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: of feel like he would have gotten okay, I like
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: not like, but it makes sense to me that he
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: crashed and was like, oh shit, like I'm gonna get
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: in trouble. Like he's young or whatever, right, and he's
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: very intoxic. I don't know, under the influence of something, right, yeap,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: so I could. But then while he's like trying to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: figure this out or something in his state, I feel
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: like someone might have picked him up. It's possible, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: then depending who picked him up, it's very much so
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: in question of if he's still alive. So I don't know.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know that this So thanks a lot for this,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: because now my brain, I feel like, is just going
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: a mile minute and I just want to figure it out.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: You and a lot of people in this world want
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to figure it out.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I bet you there is well I don't even know
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: what they'd have much to go on, but a lot
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: of like internet sleuths is that what they're.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Called yeah, webs. If I'm being honest, there's actually very
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: little out there about this case for research purposes. There's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of small articles, and most of them regurgitate
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the same information or at least similar information, So you
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: got to dig pretty deep to find some of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: different information. Like for me, finding that he liked Swedish
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: fish was actually a bit of a dig. Yeah. Actually
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I found that out because they were raising awareness. They
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: went and his family had a booth that I can't
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: remember what it was. It was some sort of like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: kind of a farmer's market type thing whatever, and they
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: were selling Swedish fish at this market with you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: his wanted poster and stuff or sorry, not wanted poster,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: missing poster. And then yeah, they're raising awareness and kind
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of raising funds to help search for them, and they
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: were selling Swedish fish. It's hard to say that's a
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: ton twister Swedish fish because it's one of his favorite treats.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Huh. Yeah, well, yeah, I can't say
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: one way or the other exactly how I feel like
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: to process is a bit more, but it would sure
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: be nice if he was still alive. But you really
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: much so feel like he is.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Eh, I'm not. I'm not sold that he is, but
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm hanging on to that he is. I think
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: there's a good chance. I don't think it's the biggest chance,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: but I do still think it's a good chance.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean as time goes on, that probably
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: goes down a little bit, right, So.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: In this case, I think it's a bit different. I
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: think it's different because it's maybe he wandered off on
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: his own intentionally to just go survive somewhere. Most people
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: don't wander off on their own with that intention. Most
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: people go missing on accident. He might have went missing
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: on purpose.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I just feel like then he would have
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: brought all his things, some of his things, So I
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Hard to say, yeah, wow, regardless, that is a case
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: of Jason Landry. We'd love to hear what you guys think.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: If you have some thoughts, shoot us an email, Instagram, Facebook,
• 47:34
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• 47:36
  Speaker 1: where I'm sure we get a lot of different opinions
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and we are curious to hear them, So hit us up.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully there's some updates at some point.
• 47:43
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• 47:45
  Speaker 1: got our website, all the social media as we got
• 47:47
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• 47:49
  Speaker 1: appreciate you guys being here regardless though, so thank you
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: so much, and of course, until next episode, stay Wicked