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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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Listen to him on radio train topic. Believe me if I understood you guys
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well with the taxes on the fare, the tariffs scythe all the flies.
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People run out of money buying us. Now the dran Bacdad told you,
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although you look like an economic commentator, you see that you understand the cooperaministra.
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That one thing people are drier than country cookie. Not only can he
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not buy dollars, but he can buy us morfe and he can buy us
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remedy. You can' t buy pastia, you can' t buy pricks,
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you can' t comb, you can' t comb anything. It
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' s small details. So much medical, while giving me a wafer that
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said I don' t have stereo, sorge small detail of the home microeconomy.
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What does it matter to us in macroeconomics? So long, believe me,
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a short time before we can change their faces to the poor country,
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they' re going to disfigure it even more. The only thing we ask
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for is a small effort today so that tomorrow we can have in Argentina tomorrow
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the power with which our elders worked, but a small sacrifice today for the
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centuries. A small sacrifice today for our records to have tomorrow they inherit a
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large, round, warm, pertinent homeland, trancran Minister listen to me since
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I was little, I have heard that you have to sacrifice nothing of the
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future. The national motto has always been hollanse today to enjoy tomorrow and one
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puts the other, but the future, by decision, is punctuated that perhaps
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friends very but good afternoon. Here we are starting a new week in plural
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construction. One day, almost spring hour, grows, a very new,
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grave, covered morning, twenty or degrees, in full sun, almost a
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Peronist day begins to rise the sun from those who want to set limits to
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the liberal government. I don' t wish, I wish, a pleasure.
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Let' s talk to Uguaime right now and a little later, with
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Gustavo Ferrari Wolvenson. While we were watching a note from the newspaper La Nación?
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We weren' t talking about page twelve of the nation' s web
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cover. This morning note from colleague Laura Serra. The government does have money.
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He then doubled AFFI' s reserved expenses. None of the vast ones
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reserved from intelligence until now reported at fourteen two. He says they resigned two
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other officials from the Ministry of Human Capital hours before the university march and with
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a strong degree. Also in foe he talked about the subject of the university
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budget. The libertarian budget is seventy- one percent lower than the two thousand
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twenty- three, despite the increase in operating expenses, of course because for
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wages nothing. No, so good. That way, that' s where
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we' re going I' ve got it online. It' s a
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pleasure to greet Don Waime most. We' re not talking superclassic. Better
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let him see what' s up today? There wasn' t a good
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afternoon, how' s it going, how' s it going? How
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she' s doing well, all right, good to see. Let'
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s start by yesterday, let' s say what, in theory, was
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the objective of a message for my rather anodyne taste, quite with almost little
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and nothing beyond the numbers of the super skillful as axes, along with the
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deceleration of inflation of macro matters management of Miley' s government, was a
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message wasted on me. Beyond being critical, I was left with the idea
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of taste little by little, not even perhaps to minimize it. He made
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a reference precisely to what a multitude of marches are expected today because of the
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demand of public education about this university. What happened last night, what we
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saw last night, what we didn' t see. Let' s say.
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It' s a very confusing situation. We saw because we saw a
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President who begins by explaining in very technical terms economic issues, with which I
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believe that, except the population very very expert in also being aware, it
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is difficult to understand what he is talking about, because there is superrave and
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there is no superrabe, etcetera. And then it seems to me like a
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political message where you' re saying contradictoryly. But lake is saying keep holding
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on that we were halfway there. Yeah, almost fired is the second semester.
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I remember that. That doesn' t have a macree semester. Yeah,
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totally. Then he' s also saying good we' ve done all
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this, but the jobs are hurting us because we' ve put money for
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the assignments, for the eaters, you seem to feed, etcetera. But
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then he ends up recognizing that the population is making a brutal accusation. The
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set does not, on the one hand, say here what worked on the
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engine end up recognizing that it is driven by the ticker. So, for
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me the message with technical tradition that we say I don' t think I
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' ve brought anything but your own medo, after a really almost ridiculous image.
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Not because you put the Minister of Economy standing there and I don'
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t know if you' re telling me the guy' s a genius.
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Solving these things, you put it there guarding nothing, I' m going
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to portumbra win the name. Yeah, it looked like they were. So
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nothing, why last night also to win a little agenda within what we are
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going to go to the bottom today will comment now not, but I say
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within a multitunar march today of university and opposition a little that begins to prepare,
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a little out of preparing musculature. Let' s say no, I
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think it' s casual last night didn' t make it that I can
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last or the Viennas, but last night it didn' t. I think
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they did get a few things together. Not one of us can see the
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clearest thing is how domestic the problem of today' s march, the university
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issue, where he didn' t make any kind of allusion to this and
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we have to see if there' s a message out there. Don'
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t think about it. I think we have a Minister of Economy who'
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s very gendery, but they' re looking for dollars everywhere. Everyone'
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s saying no. That' s where the Monetary Fund told them not to.
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The Chinese are telling you. I think you keep insulting me and we
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turn the swat and then there' s meneto for me that you' re
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looking for the talk, so there for you is that message, yes,
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for encouragement, or it' s for the outside. It seemed and you
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to see it and coincide and with how technical you have looked because I say
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to Doña Rosa honoring someone I would not like to handle so much. But,
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well, since Berna likes Rosa what has a little bit more dianio.
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They will remember this and there was also the technical, as you say,
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or the super rabit is remembered for the less betrothed listener that we don'
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t all have, because, above all primary is before paying, let'
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s say deu interest and the financial, effectively, you are paying, that
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is to say, it has more merit, because it is to pay debts
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and so on by the State. All right, get out of the street.
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That' s not what I' m taking you now. He says
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he can get his chest out, he can get his chest out, he
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' s going down in the playon. You can question yourself in the middle
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of a process hi for recessive and let' s say but the playbook number
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does reach everyone. Beyond that one goes to the super ibs but I say,
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but the super habit. Then it seemed that, indeed, with this
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rounding seemed to speak more outwardly, for the outside than for Doña Rosa returning
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that arrible not and above, Donia Rosa told you nothing. I don'
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t know that Donia Rosa, retired, who did not do enough and minimized
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her not when she spoke a four, I don' t know what about
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that four liquo when you good. That is why it seems to me then
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that I believe that it is the President who is living a reality of his
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own, which is when the Presidents are sometimes lost is reading a poll,
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not such that a part of the poll is when he says that he more
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or less maintains an image, he has management approvals. I don' t
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have the rest of the question and they' re saying I don' t
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like the fair ones. I don' t like your economic policy, I
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don' t like your foreign policy. Then let' s say all that.
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You' re seeing those two realities in z trying to give just one
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part. I don' t like you. I mean, I don'
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t like the fair and well, I don' t like you. Economic
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policy is like that. Most of them are censorship. Let' s say
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not adhere to economic policy no, no, no. There is a general
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injury, there is a general expectation that things will be better. No.
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I don' t think so. I do not have my last measurement,
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but from what I see from my colleagues, we all agree that there is
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an expectation that is above. The idea that we were here for a year
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is going to be better. That' s what' s holding us up
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to something that being more rappy, too, that didn' t hold.
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Moreover, in a different situation, the distinction from expectation to pot is not
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very subtle. It' s a subtlety that' s not worth it.
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Or it means it' s there. It is also worth p and also
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how it was voted, because I, if I voted it good, yes
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or with expectation. If I' m not a fool, I vote for
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him. I don' t have the POPiS, but expectations are one thing
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and explicit support or strong support is another. I do not seem to say
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what support is based on expectation. If the expectation sustains in pile boats and
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I hope I have not been wrong there are two clear segments in the case
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of those who support the President. It' s tough, but it'
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s tough Thirty percent later there' s the other sector. We prove that
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they don' t take a second round, that they say good. I
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hope that you will not be mistaken, so there are two clear areas here.
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There' s the hard one and there' s the soft one.
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Now it' s already been, when six months of gobian gobian pass,
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that you' re a little longer. Of clarity about are the strength of
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the President. I understand you' re waiting a little longer, but,
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well, that' s fine. Now fear the null, what you call
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the hard core, the for in the first instance, that of peace,
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of the first round. It is good libertarian where the youth takes precedence hour
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the boastfully people, people, worker, youth, workers, students. That
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one doesn' t suffer any more from the adjustment than from the one.
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Pro We' re going to be very schematic that I say to graph what
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lives on the well- off side, but it' s not his turn.
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You tell me I' m permeating that you have more doubt than the
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libertarian. However, the libertarian doesn' t hit him anymore. The adjustment
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and let' s say that is that of the pro- recoleta because it
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is very graphic, also half brutal. But I' m saying this way,
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let' s be clear. II. But just as on a good
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economic level one came out stomatic. One wanted to be a sector that lives
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in an informal economy, that tries to enter the system, but without the
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system complicating its life with taxes, that is, it prefers to be in
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the black economy than in the white economy. But it is that access to
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the parts the Sona life wants to make its own life and good and as
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the command that was going on that sector, those of the last years have
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had a very bad time. They can maintain expectation. The question is whether
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finally all the demands I had for the best things and the situation will be
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made so that they can make us some kind of new middle class. Actually,
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they don' t come true after that. Well, it seems to
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me that it' s going to be the last sectors that' s going
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to devolve. What' s the big deal? We arrived as in one
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thing you have for another good, but it still does not arrive since I
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say well, well to see the theme of the day the one that one
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believes is going to be a phenomenal, a massive university march with support of
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political parties, social get, etcetera, etcetera. Starting from that base that
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is actually going to be massive, let us hope that there is no problem
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with Burri and his anti- piquet model, which insists that he goes out
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to overact and so on, thinking that the day will be in paspon that
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variable and like they would go to the octroes of the night, how it
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is analyzed. I mean, I' m not overreacted. I don'
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t talk before or after. And one before and one after this march for
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the government of a thousand et cetera, et cetera. But to what extent
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it can mark a milestone, it can mark as I said, that the
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different sectors of the opposition today only amalgamate and begin to exercise. There was
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no astora beyond the other thing, There was not something strong, critical and
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unique that unifies all these sectors radiocalism, Peronism, etcetera, etcetera. On
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the street what marks, let' s say a very successful one, as
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it is apparently going to march today July. It does not seem to me
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that if the march really is, as it is supposed to be, that
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it will mark a rupture of a sector of young people, media and professionals,
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medium for the government because a section of the middle class is going to
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break with it, begins to break with the government and begins to express the
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opposition more clearly. That' s where the noise is to what extent politics
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would get him into it, because those pieces, give arguments to the government.
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But that' s why you have to see to what extent, how
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many people we' re talking about that mobilize, how many independent people that
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were never a mobilization, neither of getel, nor of teronism, nor of
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radiotionalism, and that seems to me to be the measure to evaluate, because
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it always goes. Don' t do anything lega, no, no,
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no, no, there' s got to be youth and so on And
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if there is, let' s say, I repeat that marks. You
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say that a sector that is measured, that begins to break with the government
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in some way, or that begins to mark its record, because it is
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a young and professional sector that thinks with more charity, that is, look.
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I may have the expectation, but what you' re doing with college
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is not good. Let' s say there are sectors, including liberals,
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that are saying explaining to you the economic one. The President does. It
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doesn' t mean that afterwards I know the sectors that are going to take
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out the opposition, which is the report that they did to Rodrigue that they
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forgot us the nation. I don' t see him being driven, because
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I do mean it. There are sets that Rodriguez thinks and that today they
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can come out to demonstrate what you' re doing with the university. It
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' s too bad. Now it seems to me that neither the proposal before
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being confused. It does not seem to me that the best thing that can
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happen, that people can express themselves freely and the social outrage merca as more
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spontaneously. Let' s say we see all sectors, such as the middle
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and lower middle sectors, but where they go to the University they have the
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capacity to mobilize. Not because I think that works the mic. They don
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' t need, in fact, no summons, because it' s a
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Secgamos that if you go to college, you have to complete your dream I
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leave the other and my law. How are you going to receive all that,
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how are you going to take it as a retero, starting with the
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hypothesis that it is going to be massive, that it is going to be
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taken over by independent young people. In fact, in the box we are
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not going to remember the social comment leader, either of ridicalism or of the
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Chamber. How Miley gets it, he' s gonna try to stigmatize how
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this is going to be taken by a pole that' s going to bond.
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We have to start analyzing it as an archer, as Diego Martin says
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when they insult me in the Big Mom pyre, which is the same thing
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Karina Amida sang there when the President was a kid and it ends. Then
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you have to understand that the President was archer and has that mentality, so
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he' s going to double the President' s bet. That let'
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s have no doubt the door all the time. Those who think they'
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re going back, well, I think they' re wrong. Let'
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s say you can' t go backwards than some collaborator understand now in the
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other. But deep down, it was more undone until in a moment you
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expect to get to see it. They also make five goals to get you
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to score it with no penalty. Then the other matches made another five goals.
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Well, there it gets complicated, no, but for now, since
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they didn' t make him a lot of gobles, the guy feels indignant.
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Well, the retreader' s fine. Each case is different. It
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should not integrate Patricio Burrich, with whom he killed himself in the campaign and
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others to be regulated with the Pope, although it is a very different case,
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this of the neu this of the nebu and others. It didn'
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t happen. I was being from a bus law to a mini bus that
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you surely saw pass water, but it can pass through Congress. But it
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has also reduced some gestures of pragmatism. He' s had it. I
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don' t know the agreement for it or it' s not true on
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I say yes, but when they challenge it, it' s true things
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when they reflect, it' s going, for later on, obviously,
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the guy has to negotiate, he has to see what he presents, what
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he presents us that we agree with, but for that we would like to
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see how he' s going to react. And well, maybe I'
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d drop by the college plant tomorrow. Well it may be, but it
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seems to me like how it' s all just a challenge. So let
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' s say that when he says the state present in Argentina, this is
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how I end up with the greatest challenge or not doing it, because the
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idea that and in general, political leaders do not usually react at least a
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priori, so they see it as a challenge, not as good. It
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drew attention to me correcting. I say at least what we have to approach
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in Argentina I' m not always getting the ears of the one hundred and
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twenty- five wet for so many more cases. Not good, but let
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' s see if we think I' m thinking right now Hina quickly bought
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a see what she did, which is the combo where I' m going
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to do. Well, or the march to sepe was incorporated. Then it
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didn' t do any good, but it was good. It' s
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okay. I buy So I think we say, it doesn' t seem
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like it makes me the dilail behavior and at the end you see in Meredo
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' s case to think, we say he always tried to incorporate, let
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' s say medel did look for you I incorporated you, never sought confrontation,
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but by the rrio, in the house of Abia Momo Kin that did
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look for them with foundation and sought ization also when he saw the mobilization,
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he said come here. Well, it seems to me that first, too,
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I think the President must be waiting for this to go missing. If
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this gets out of hand, it' s gonna feel like the challenge.
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But good is what for me, so that then clear with uchas they can
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now endure the problem, that is, people do not endure. For example,
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what I have to think, which should be thought only by the political
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analyst and the entire political leader is dated to the end of the year.
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The President' s plan is not a bezcorta nor is it like Nik hockey
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if it' s a li and the President' s say actually begins to
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lose adhesions. The question is what you are going to look for in Argentine
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society. And that seems to me to be the question that should be asked
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of diligence and analysts, because this is likely to happen with diligence. Let
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' s say not an old leader, not that people say today at least
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not. No, I don' t know what you' re saying to
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him. I want it to be you. I want it to be you,
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whatever it is, it' s not looking for you. When Villen
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is handled like a brazen little friend. Let' s say he does it
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because maybe he doesn' t owe anybody anything to see. I think it
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has to do with the strong business support I have from the staff even from
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vol Tret and others that punctuates her business and, on the other hand,
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the public opinion poll. It feels like a negotiation I' m going to
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become almost libertarian and I' m going to become an almost very rude libertarian
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and say to see I have it longer. What do you come to negotiate
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with me now when and I am still very rude when I have it much
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shorter in a government that is based on popular attention. Beyond what we can
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discuss today and surely with our case, I will say that you are in
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my timiti plus less half partner capolla and critical half. When he doesn'
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t say it' s barranque, but I don' t know. In
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three six months, we' re eventually fictionalizing, exploring thirty- five percent
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popularity. What will be the government of my law or what would be of
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use if it is based. That' s what I' m disintentioning myself
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to decide. We don' t know what it' s going to do,
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but when prices fall, it falls, so, if the people of
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your plan don' t work, immediately we' re going to have from
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politics surely a sector of liberalism that is going to try to advance on the
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government, the horses, the Rodríguezes, the rock Fernández, for those who
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are criticizing it right now even your dinnermaker. Let' s say that practically
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his plan was left out and then, from the point of view of public
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opinion, public opinion is going to start looking for new references. But that
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' s what' s not here today. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah,' cause, well, we haven' t made it to May
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yet. We don' t know what happens to the May Tact when you
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rule and sign it is all. It seems to me that now we have
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this, we have the announced stoppage of 9 May and that it will be,
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it seems to me the first indicators of whether the President has or does
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not maintain and we cannot answer it a crowd of marches today power the pair
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of nine, or also power that the Government, in this case pragmatically recoils
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and tries to dismantle it so as not to continue to fuel the fire of
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the street. And so on and both things, the protests objectively, yes,
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because people are also hoping that I would tell someone to say see if
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a lot of people come out today worry, put the nine and try to
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talk to us as much finally normal as you said before when they didn'
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t and could sit down to negotiate, the spirit of the CGT of sir
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we go to the dispute to negotiate now, as for more elements does the
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negotiation on the street, obviously it strengthens it the negotiation if it is nine
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more on top, there is a strong unemployment, which is a topic that
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there is to see of water, transport there is not always yes on clear,
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well, but we have to see how the form of the ta population,
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because one thing is in amber and another thing is inside the country.
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Let' s see how strong. That' s also where people are sure
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that it' s a functional word, but that, in addition to people
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being attached, I don' t get into situations where people are going to
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be angry because this is about the presences or because they are going to work
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and they can' t say it' s a situation for what they'
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re bringing to light. Well and today it is not easy that they have
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clear that they have to somehow take people who are angry with it all the
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bases of the movement are vital, but that they can also complicate in life
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people who, out there is blank, that it is informal that is now
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returning a little bit to the point of previous, particularly favorably, you do
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not agree, but neither, even if it does not suit or will not
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be healthy for the system, neither will there be anyone who can pull out
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the head, I say to see nicky if it did not light they will
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be able to capitalize them. Not today, in support of this, will
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it not be possible to capitalize on a massive, very ominous march. No,
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no, I don' t see. I believe that what will allow
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the leaders to take the pulse of the street, but they will not,
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of course, not us, they will not be able to exercise it,
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they will not be able to exercise it. For that, I remember second
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good there was, we are hoping that wishing that the Mars is successful and
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effectively living the rose. If you tell me that the President, as an
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archer, will always go out to double the bet, the truth is that
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you are worried. Not because I say if you always answer it now,
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at least in his attitudes, what you do next may be that the rest,
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not the same as him, because that is his strength. The fortress
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is the President. Well, but power, but we can sometimes dissociate.
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His narrative will never say good. I sat down and we had to negotiate,
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and we kept on doing this, and we got his narrative, too.
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I think it' s going to stay until he can be unalterable,
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then that' s what' s gestural. Then, as Nestor said,
26:25
you don' t say that lecena, Nestor turns, don' t look
26:27
at what I' m talking about, don' t look at what I
26:30
' m saying, but what I do well, then action or measures can
26:33
be reflected. Another thing that this dissoci is in opposition to or with Flacantre
26:37
contradiction is the narrative. No, yeah, well, so far they found
26:41
him back. Not the narrative, because well, the market is perfect,
26:45
but we talked about it. Well, that' s why there' s
26:48
what or a step we don' t mention. Preparations. She' s
26:51
good at things. Well, businessmen are bad guys who sing curlal. Okay,
26:56
but all that can be kept for a while. It can' t
27:00
be maintained all the time. The moment they' re gonna tell you,
27:03
well, fuck me how you do this. No. No, no,
27:07
no, no. No. It seems to me to say that, finally,
27:11
it' s like a short blanket. Let' s say because the
27:15
prospective state was over, was present, was or, but you more to
27:19
protest like him. There is a moment that the accumulation of rums is with
27:25
the tens the communication of rores. One' s winning, winning, winning,
27:30
well, mistake ragged it doesn' t end up losing it in the
27:33
end. But that' s why without lowering the flags in theory, because
27:37
he' s never going to admit it, or talk about perfect marks,
27:41
or talk about the plague of the state. There we saw a hability gesture,
27:45
p extremely strong and perhaps capable of pragmatism, of seeing the numbers,
27:48
the polls, the middle class. Well, I don' t go out
27:51
against prepaid. Now the enemy is the prepaid, as it seemed like a
27:53
gesture. Ah well, it' s not, it' s clear.
27:55
That' s why I don' t think I' m going to miss
27:59
the guy who didn' t eat. I too smell pragmatic, even if
28:02
your narrative does not accept. Let' s say those holes say no,
28:07
not to see we totally agree. There is a level walking that is the
28:11
discursive of me well, that is a short- term economic plan batn and
28:15
it is not the two things that will have looked at you and you think
28:21
it goes in msnele that cuts me and economists are saying that not now.
28:26
I do not think that the short economist and hole also today the civil slash
28:33
and recovery. Yes, and the issue of not having a hard time,
28:36
as you stated, to start getting out the ce so it' s complicated
28:38
and it' s going to complicate, let' s say from now on
28:41
and all good delay. Yeah, it' s okay, but it'
28:44
s also true that for the economy to go short, someone has to go
28:48
with the money. There has to be investment, investment of one see actually,
28:52
let' s say industry is something that comes speculative capital to buy that
29:00
I find very difficult or buy. Or so with that plant lens of the
29:07
yes. The present state of existence and will not depend on the private ones
29:14
it deprives will play in a marking on. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
29:18
fuctis Urguay. Thank you so much. What' s his name, please,
29:22
or Waime. Here under construction Penal, our collaborator. In a little
29:26
while he' ll be with us as usual. Or already recovered. That
29:29
' s why we got it on Tuesday that we didn' t have it
29:30
last week and let' s see if we can make up for a little
29:33
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30:44
Gustavo. Good afternoon, how I' m evading you. Yeah, it
30:52
' s speckled, how are you? Now he' s mutated, yeah,
31:03
rotting, not now, yeah, now he' s muttered, how
31:07
' s my friend doing? Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Fernando, what
31:10
remains of my comic voice. I sold until I agreed to do Hugo Berrio
31:17
' s Martine Go show. Yeah, you remember. I don' t
31:22
remember alone. Alone was one, for example, alone. Yes, all
31:26
of them. Ivo listens to his problems. Sporter, great reporter, your
31:33
silence is your spaces. Really great Peruvian, the great Peruvian. Yes,
31:38
Mr Corolito, no tribute, but first of all I want to send you
31:45
a hug for all thanks for some personal fear that we are not missing.
31:51
Yes, yes, thank you, thank you for your good, but you
31:53
know I' ll come with you later. Yes, yes, thank you.
31:56
The Sunday classic. We don' t go with each other, sorry
32:01
there was a classic on Sunday. I didn' t see anything. I
32:02
honestly wasn' t obviously busy with us. You guys can' t be
32:10
good, but yes classics and there was a bar that looks like it'
32:19
s a little questioned, but well, it' s not a matter of
32:22
crying now late and apart from fire lovers, exactly, you played wrong.
32:24
That' s right and good here we are today with a special day for
32:32
university autonomy or to protest something that for me is still not communicated. Not
32:39
because, obviously, as I have followed this subject, the transfers of funds
32:45
to universities have existed, they have happened, no one has cut anything and
32:53
the only issue is not so. Uh, they' re not like that
32:57
to see it say Fobai, I don' t say it, he of
33:00
course just didn' t tend and it' s pretty close. Well,
33:02
despite the increase for operating expenses. The total budget is a seventy- one
33:07
percent offensive less than that of the two thousand twenty- three, because what
33:09
has been given for now is expenditure of operation light, toilet paper, paper
33:15
whatever you want, but not ninety percent of the mass of expenses of this
33:17
faculty that is the staff, is the teachers, because now I start to
33:22
think something good, go, leave it, leave it, yes, no,
33:25
no, and without any kind of attitudes. This fact I respect the
33:30
Public University. Let' s say. I can' t say I'
33:36
m her son, because I' m not well in the country, but
33:38
Mia studied at the public university. My father and my family were the state
33:43
of the public. But of the public university with capital letters aha not a
33:49
university that really not only spat or generated the state, but also statesmen of
33:57
thought. And, unfortunately, what we would have to think about is the
34:05
current role of the University in generating these sensor spaces. And unfortunately, they
34:13
' re lost. Many of those have been lost. It has also been
34:16
copied by private universities, not necessarily for having better academic quality, but perhaps
34:23
for having better educational discipline. And that' s where I make a difference.
34:30
The University is the beginning of democracy. Let' s say, I
34:36
repeat it again. You can' t say he was a member of the
34:39
military, but he did a lot of thinking about power. Let' s
34:40
just say he had it in front of the university at the time. Let
34:45
' s say biological persecution, the even role of the purple Strip in the
34:51
formation of cadres that have now been lost. So we keep stirring up the
34:55
same names when we talk business and we' re there I can tell you,
35:02
copier spaces, note sales, even the strength of say student centers in
35:10
favor and find. I remember that the first advice I owed to my daughter
35:16
when she entered the university was given close to always students, because if there
35:22
is any problem, they will help and sportfully give the knowledge that later they
35:27
did not appear on the sheet or grades. So this role of university politics
35:34
is highly, let' s say, for my coated or recognized case.
35:43
But the big problem is when we start making party and segmentist policies within the
35:50
classes. Then there began the confusion. And the confusion also began to arise
35:55
on the basis of why the University has that it was necessarily one more part
36:02
of the political box. I think we have talked about it as we have
36:10
studied at universities in other countries for issues like my father' s professionals,
36:19
etc, etc, where I was paying taxes for being a foreigner, because
36:24
I was taking away the fixation from a citizen, from a national and jobs
36:32
that were around a hundred dollars a month. And we are also in universities
36:38
of high recognition, as may have been the National University to the Sound of
36:44
Mexico, another of the great monsters academically recognized within Latimea America and the world,
36:51
because I paid for a dantel and I had to eat it because I
36:55
was there at the time. The big problem and the truth is also when
37:07
we speculate on asking for expenses and we are also not a resource- generating
37:19
aucina of our own. For example, in Argentina, I believe that economic
37:22
sciences or in the city of Buenos Aires and economic sciences engineering rights have established,
37:30
for example, programs of tariffed postgraduates, tariffed almost at international levels,
37:37
where they also make a difference of the need and the possibility that you can
37:44
pay better salaries to academics with a recognized tertiary and doctoral level, where this
37:51
work really differs in both learning and teaching law faculty. I think here you
38:01
are, your spaces, your facilities, your famous staircase for fashion definition,
38:08
for a recital or logic, in a nutshell, is also to be used
38:15
as an entity. You can have mechanisms of tumar and incorporate into your budget
38:23
actions that do not necessarily depend on the national treasury. For example, I
38:29
give you the case of those I know, in that case from the University
38:34
of Chile or the National Autonomous University of Mexico, which has first division professional
38:39
teams of sculptors. Evidently, those salaries come out of the national budget and
38:50
we' re talking about highly high salaries for a football player, but they
38:57
have your own patronage, they' re looking for your own fundraisers, your
39:06
own funding mechanisms, and at no time do they go out to ask the
39:13
national government for salvagation to say, to pay the plan of the salary of
39:15
the Circus team. At the time they have a strong say policy of being
39:22
college students. Players who arrive are usually reinforced by two, are three players
39:29
of higher professional level, often quiet, etcetera, etcetera. But what I
39:37
' m going to point out and maybe we' re going back to what
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we need to communicate. On the one hand, let' s actually audit
39:50
the expense and, on the other hand, let' s not sit in
39:54
the chair or in the comfortable chair, hoping that all the silver will come
40:00
out of the state the minor. Some other day. I must consider agreeing
40:06
with Ramiro Marra that in the grand signal program is fine, but what about
40:10
the primary audition, with the secondary location, with hunger. I mean,
40:15
we' re when a kid gets to college. On the other hand,
40:20
we have almost 20 kids who can' t read or write. They do
40:24
not have the possibilities of a primary education, they cannot be fed because they
40:31
are in conditions of maximum poverty, which is inexplicable in the country and much
40:37
less the quality of secondary education. So to see is I think that everything
40:44
is a great cocktail that has to get into a great Basque say of the
40:52
equator and start mixing Evidently, we' re playing interests, no, but
41:00
let' s start from a reality. Fernando, that is, when we
41:04
say the money, there is no money. What would be the mechanisms that
41:08
in this case. I also saw him on Saturday watching the Platinum Awards of
41:16
Ibero- American cinema and some herrings that were made to the death of culture.
41:22
My question is that culture only serves when it is funded, when it
41:30
is generated by the novel initiatives themselves. And I' m not feeling like
41:37
a gorilla who' s questioning different actions or branding or for or with a
41:44
flag wrapped in my body that says Javian my law. I say those things
41:47
that we have been questioning many years ago and that we say was the electoral
41:57
issue of the past process and, obviously, triumphs for the first time comes
42:01
to the fore with different views for voor or cons, but they are but
42:07
I think it was necessary to generate a wide debate about it again. Culture
42:14
is valid only when it is funded by the State, when culture is born
42:19
from the initiative itself, from the so- called, from the representatives of
42:23
culture, etcetera, etcetera. To see in the Middle Ages the great monsters
42:30
of painting, sculpture, music had your scenes. I don' t remember,
42:37
okay. Let me be yes, you can finish it and give it
42:39
to him. No. No, no, no, no, go ahead,
42:43
' cause I like it. I' m not saying tell me a
42:45
little, like leave me a little, like I always say. I put
42:45
the devil' s wedding beyond me, to a large extent in agreement with
42:49
what I' m going to general, but I put on a devil wedding
42:52
even in order to enrich the dialogue and the listener. I read a note.
42:53
I already mentioned it in the nation in the morning or I reiterate it
42:57
with you. The government doubled the AFA' s reserved expenses, i e
43:00
intelligence, etcetera, etcetera. The first quarter was increased by four billion from
43:04
the Agency’ s budget. Solved expenses went up one hundred and twenty-
43:07
nine percent in December. There is then you will enter, you can raise,
43:10
but since there was money, there was no money to change them,
43:15
buy the planes Denmark. Let us need for our armed funes that we must
43:17
need yes or no. I say why we restrict the such side, yes
43:21
in such a no. Which seems like a political fester, because the public
43:25
university is often contrary to my law, et cetera, et cetera, et
43:29
cetera. And then one asks what is the calculation for the budget restriction.
43:35
I mean after Juan, I' ll leave you to it. I agree
43:37
with you that some type of author autonomy audit, without affecting university autonomy,
43:44
must have coincided, as we can even raise. I don' t know
43:46
if to carry it out, but some kind of payment from foreigners who come
43:51
to Argentina finish studying and they return to their country to study it at least
43:54
I agree that there can be no curros and there are with the photocopy,
43:59
as you said, with the exams, with the papers, etcetera, etcetera.
44:01
The work to be done, to be dethroned, will have to be
44:05
dethroned. But, well, one thing is one thing and another thing and
44:07
you can' t finance public education. Coinciding also with you that it is
44:12
even more important the first and the high school than in the university. But
44:14
good. In this case we have to talk about almost sixty universities, not
44:16
just the grapes of public level, not tertiary universities. I do not fully
44:22
agree. I think we are on the same path and we must agree.
44:28
In addition, it is a matter of communication, not the budget of the
44:32
AFI. Let' s see, we' ve got a big problem with
44:38
the infertility. We have two borders that is happening anything. I say two
44:45
because they' re the best known in cities. This border with Bolivia,
44:50
which are practically already declared publicly yesterday or before doing in a press conference President
44:57
No you Ecuador is how it is being connected to the Mexican cartels in Ecuador
45:02
that cross the border of Bolivia and are practically entering anything along the border,
45:10
not then if that evidently had been neglected, had not been imported. Let
45:22
' s say the subject of the Iranian connection the s surely as Bolivian passports,
45:29
etcetera, etc. Obviously that needs to have an intelligence situation. Not
45:35
that I' m listening to you. Well, I' m telling you.
45:37
I mean, we can put him on any stage. But that'
45:43
s what I think, obviously, we suddenly show situations that we don'
45:50
t explain them. Not to see me and I tell you because it'
45:57
s also part of a day- to- day job. In us we
46:00
do not lie in government. Say well, I increased the staff. This
46:04
government increased twenty percent of the personal smash plant, but say that this twenty
46:08
percent were police to improve security. Or two or neo ne you were two
46:15
two they are not dice and we are total ton then you ra the explanatory
46:21
circle, then justify it. I' m not having a very specific case.
46:30
This one, for example, here in Cozumel, where are the campaigns
46:32
for the fun of the next Intendant. One of them might have been to
46:37
sign a second period now. He says in my Government there were no cases
46:45
of insecurity. Then be my comments if you' ve made me right,
46:50
but your three- year, two-, two- and- a-
46:54
half- year government was locked up. Siempo is there the sock with the
46:55
pandemic. So both the choral and the cible victim were in a lot of
47:02
guard. It' s not, let' s say the parameters to say
47:09
then let' s talk, let' s say clearly and let' s
47:20
stop, I think we publish titles that are resounding for the daily commentary of
47:27
political television analysts on the frivolity of television, whatever, but I think we
47:34
begin to explain maybe I shouldn' t also say in a form of their
47:38
role Bostenen himself. Yes, gentlemen, yes, you have, I agree.
47:40
He' s the first. I' m a graduate, but here
47:45
we have this situation, education. Yes, indeed, the safety cats have
47:49
been increased, but at the same time, well, there we have the
47:53
results that we are stopping such as doubts that are burning sandns let' s
48:00
say cargoes that have been found, etcetera, etcetera. Well, we'
48:06
re in the Chicanas. Let' s say traditional mouth rider of poxaputnmnodel,
48:14
burgle Hi, et cetera. No, let' s not say we can
48:20
' t freak out now in front of all this. The big one.
48:25
Let' s say, we continue with a high percentage of acceptance that there
48:32
is a sector that is obviously accompanying or suffering from this motorcycle that the President
48:43
announced at the time still has a marter of hope that things are going to
48:51
change, because I repeat again what it is to double the university budget.
48:58
If your final goal once you graduate, it' s going to be Seiza
49:04
airport or drive an uber then let' s get a little connected that chain
49:15
not and add your labs to a common goal and phenomenon that you' re
49:23
right to lift the march tonight into intro economics. You and the President are
49:27
right. I was wrong to imply the budget to the University, which is
49:30
going to generate me to turn on three more hours a day the maquinita and
49:36
saguita that pretty light. That one. This is not going to be the
49:38
solution. We already do and here too, for example, to see,
49:42
but the solution we continue to have forgiveness. I just got a call from
49:47
a person I liked three days ago. I can' t deposit the money
49:52
you demanded because the landlords won' t bring the bills to me. I
49:57
go to the window and they say hello, hello. There' s what
50:04
I' d like to put in a million- weight operation. No.
50:09
So, this kind of thing is obviously what we have to start thinking that
50:20
this way we can' t go on. Yes, it is very difficult
50:27
and I think today I analyzed it on the points of an article that I
50:32
am writing that when you read all that and without knowing it is the h
50:37
p president of traps. But these po exactly all that I pointed out were
50:45
points that he made his staunch ideological opponent. Question suppose it is disregarded in
50:57
a measure that the march is going to be multitude of a successful ar.
50:59
Speak blah what a spurious reaction of the government, of my law, etcetera,
51:04
etcetera. There the waiter and he has also said that it is already
51:07
that the matter to propose is a closed topic. Well, let' s
51:09
say that her Miley has retweeted criticism of her social media march. Miley'
51:15
s sorry Adorni said it' s the budget discussion is settled. Well,
51:19
what a repercussion you expect on the assumption that it' s going to be
51:22
a very important and very massive march. And well, the repercussion that it
51:27
' s going to be as well as the general strike that I think by
51:30
day five, day eight is marking eight laps of the cause. Worker Ubaldini,
51:39
eventually Alfontín told her, does not tell her, stop were anecdotes of
51:44
special moments to see. We have a corporatist Argentina that has been received in
51:54
the last eighty years from corporate cooperations. Obviously, it hasn' t been
52:05
four months. The government, a government that since we go said I will
52:09
try to finish or order or put order let' s say a model that
52:19
is considered obsolete. Well, obviously, we' re going to have or
52:25
are going to have the respective criticisms, contradictions, negative attitudes. And well,
52:34
and I think it' s gonna be a punctuation pretty much every day.
52:38
The point is that this spot also has to show it with results.
52:44
Yesterday' s results showed us in terms of numbers that are being positive in
52:52
the macro, which obviously continue to affect the pocket. But I don'
52:59
t know if I have the magic formula to start from scratch. I believe
53:05
that we would also have a major institutional problem that this could have been achieved.
53:16
Then, to see perfect, you made the march tomorrow, you'
53:22
re going to stop going to class, you' re going to stop going
53:25
to teach, you' re going to stop collecting your salary in protest.
53:30
I don' t think I' m just fucking, I' m feeling
53:36
perfect. I' ve already proved my rejection or my position. Now it
53:44
will be the Government that begins to demonstrate that that budget was given and that
53:53
that budget, let us say, can yield then, if it is going
54:01
to audit it to start auditing it. Well, last question, I don
54:07
' t think there' s any better results than the results themselves. Not
54:14
well, last question. We were just talking or the beginning of the interview
54:17
I had with Ugo Aimé. We have a sense of not even the critical
54:22
point of view, but a little that my law missed making the message,
54:27
which was too technical. I' m telling you if I' m talking
54:30
about the inflation slowdown Donia Rosa, like she said. I like to raise
54:35
your ear to say and if the truth that things now increased or less now.
54:37
If I talk to you about how far beyond me, from the technical
54:40
point of view, it' s all right and if you spoke to the
54:43
brute to the investors as well. But I say like a little bit,
54:45
of a certain sense of lost opportunity or having lost the chain to be very
54:51
technical and not to talk so much beyond a couple of mentions that many times
54:54
does not make the sacrifice the population and others that a little bit more of
54:59
the same and as not very elaborate for the citizen day piece is a sanction
55:04
that let me share with a Guayme insist not even having a look too critical,
55:08
if not rather your communicational opportunity, that is your specialty in governmental matters,
55:12
in this case lost you saw it like this, or I am being
55:16
too sharp. Don' t look, it' s very possible, but
55:22
we' re demanding sensitivity from someone who' s more than twelve four and
55:28
what comes in on one side has to go out on the other. I
55:30
mean, they' ve never stopped being a technician. I think his achievement
55:34
was a guy who in his political campaign was based on giving classes in economics
55:38
in the squares. Then what can we ask him, say or not ask
55:44
him. That' s what I' m talking to Mrs Rosa about.
55:45
I don' t think so, but, well, there' s where
55:52
the whole communication apparatus should work from the spokesman assuming the prescient said this what
56:04
such a thing means And if you translate such a thing, no, then
56:08
that kind of question. That' s what it says as an invocational.
56:13
It was as if I had been a consultant for a group of investors or
56:19
bankers or businessmen who hired me to give him the talk. That' s
56:22
what happened to the shawl The president asked for something else. I think they
56:28
do well, lest they kept their technical profile coming from the Campanile that the
56:31
given result so much so, totally perfect. Well, Gus, we'
56:38
ll see about it later, we' ll talk about it first, see
56:42
if we get you back, and we don' t want to force your
56:45
return either, let' s do little if we have a little bit shorter,
56:50
we' ll do a touch on Thursday, and if it won'
56:52
t be the week that we talk good, my friend, thank you so
56:52
much that we remember. Hug, hug, big ones we wait for that
56:58
note of amlo or my law. I don' t know who, but
57:00
you started putting the first pigeons in there. We look forward to it with
57:02
interest and to spreading them from now on, well, no matter how much
57:07
you don' t see. Open bra, big hug, Don Gustavo Ferrer
57:09
and Wolvenson here in plural construction. I' m left with Gustavo' s
57:15
look at the last thing we demand a little bit more than I don'
57:19
t know if even closeness, but a little missed opportunity beyond lowering his narrative
57:23
from the superhabits. But Gustavo says there and in his point of view,
57:27
that his respectable moment, that we are perhaps demanding him as closer to sensitivity,
57:30
a guy who, in short, a guy with all respect, who
57:32
grew someone who became President, apparently because you will have broken the whole political
57:37
system from a point of view to a technician who continues from his communicative point
57:40
of view for it, the same imprint that continued was nothing quick, twenty
57:46
- first degree. It seems like a Peronist day, but it is not
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a day of marching against Millay that we will see how reactions later this,
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students and university professors began marching from Cursaid Square to the Congress area. Remember
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that later Congress is going to May Square with an act that I' ve
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seen around 6pm, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It also
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claims educational budget for operating expenses and salaries. Our two officials from the Human
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Capital Ministry resigned, where there, for example, the education area is in
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without a ministry. The story of the platense sixty years that was crowned as
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my world Buenos Aires and we go for the national title. No idea future
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pain that I have made a key indicator to measure the expectations of devaluation of
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the market base law is the government of a new draft. As the discussion
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continues with the dialogist opposition. This on the side of the POE And before
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we say goodbye and meet again here tomorrow at 4: 00 p m,
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under construction we will be already ahead with those who put Dr Juan José Goresti,
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perhaps with Julio Burban. College march is the first bald strike trend dugan
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hours go well. Thank you Juan, thank you Silvia. I' ll
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see you here tomorrow at 4 p m, at the continuity of the plural
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building week. Bye bye s