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Monday Mini: SMNTY Reviews Girl Talk · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephan
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  Speaker 1: never told your production of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to I Guess kind of Part two Man
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  Speaker 2: Me and My part. So many segments because this is
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  Speaker 2: an extended we're going to talk a lot about board
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  Speaker 2: games forever, because we love board games, and we feel
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  Speaker 2: like we should be open, welcoming, safe place for those
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  Speaker 2: who identify as non binary, film whatever to love board games.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, and so therefore we will continually
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  Speaker 2: talk about them. But in this one, we're gonna throw
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  Speaker 2: it back with our adventures here. I mean to throw
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  Speaker 2: it back to nineteen eighty nine, and I was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, I was around nine when this came
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  Speaker 2: out to date myself, but it was a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: I had just come to the US a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years before, so very new to this whole US. Because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any version of this game. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure there's versions of dating games, but not this game.
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  Speaker 2: In Korea, maybe there was because Hasbro bought it out
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  Speaker 2: I think in nineteen ninety three. Originally it was with
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  Speaker 2: a different gaming company. But you were either a toddler
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  Speaker 2: or infant, or were you just born.
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  Speaker 3: As a year old.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, then yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't't talk about this anymore,
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  Speaker 2: but yes, and we were talking about one of these
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  Speaker 2: games that I remember playing but I never owned, because
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  Speaker 2: this is a rich girl, middle class game that I
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  Speaker 2: was not a part of. My friends were and they
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  Speaker 2: let me play this game. And honestly, while we were
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  Speaker 2: like we were researching this, I remember the original board
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  Speaker 2: game girl Talk, which is truth or Dare and Annie, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you might need to find that because I forgot about
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  Speaker 2: this one. Because there are dairs, including calling boys on
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  Speaker 2: the phone.
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  Speaker 3: I remembered this, and if.
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  Speaker 2: You don't do it, you have to wear a ZiT
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  Speaker 2: on your face like they have stickers.
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  Speaker 3: I would be.
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  Speaker 2: Shocked if I can find a complete set that actually
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  Speaker 2: has ZiT stickers, because you went through those.
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  Speaker 3: I did You did?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I mean you went through the stickers. I
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  Speaker 1: tried to find it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you did, Yes, of course you did.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is loosely based on it was an episode
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  Speaker 1: a Monday Mini we did, yeah, a year ago, maybe
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  Speaker 1: more about these games we remembered from our childhood. And
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned a bunch and then I purchased them.
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  Speaker 3: Such a gift to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a wonderful gift. So I remember I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: find truth or dare I would.
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  Speaker 2: Be shocked to find it. I remember there's also a
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  Speaker 2: phone one. There's a phone book one where it's a
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  Speaker 2: shape of a phone and you have and I I
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  Speaker 2: remember like my friend I think owned all of these games.
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  Speaker 2: She was an only child, very sweet, very spoiled. He
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  Speaker 2: got all the things, and this this was our collection.
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  Speaker 2: So whenever I would go over, which was every weekend
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  Speaker 2: we were very close friends, we would play these games.
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  Speaker 3: The zip one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you ran out of the stickers pretty quickly because
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of things I would not do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I'm imagining now, I would just
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  Speaker 1: like try to find a friend of mine and call hi,
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  Speaker 1: right right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, So this is a part of those games.
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  Speaker 2: And the one we're talking about is Girls Talk Dateline
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  Speaker 2: I think we previously mentioned, which has to include a
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  Speaker 2: cassette player. And Annie and I are like frazzle looking around.
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  Speaker 2: I now forgot and Annie actually bought me a damn
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  Speaker 2: cassette player, y'all.
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  Speaker 3: And it threw back so hard.
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  Speaker 2: The rewind you fast forward button really really had me tricked.
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  Speaker 2: The trying to like plug up the speaker, which we
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  Speaker 2: do you have a video? The audio is so quiet. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think like y'all have to turn up the volume
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  Speaker 2: super super loud because you had to like be in
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  Speaker 2: complete silence with our ears to the speaker to hear
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  Speaker 2: whether or not we have a date.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So essentially it like came with a very interesting
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  Speaker 1: tech device. But it was like a little call box
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  Speaker 1: and you would plug that into the headphone auxiliary cable
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  Speaker 1: like space. But so at first we didn't think it
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  Speaker 1: was working because we couldn't hear anything. We turned the
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  Speaker 1: volume all the way up and you could barely hear
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  Speaker 1: it right coming from it. So yeah, it was quiet.
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  Speaker 3: It was very quiet.
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  Speaker 2: We were just like we were both of us silent
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out if we won. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: this was one of those games. And apparently the Girls
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  Speaker 2: Talk board game was created by Catherine Rondeau, and I
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  Speaker 2: hope I said that right. I did not see the
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  Speaker 2: other games credited to her, which I wouldn't doubt that
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  Speaker 2: what they were because Girl Talking itself was a brand.
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  Speaker 3: They had a whole level.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently there was like Disney versions including that so raven
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  Speaker 2: Girl Talk games.
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  Speaker 3: I saw this on the list.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how recent that was, So if any
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  Speaker 2: of y'all had the Disney version, I think I outgrew
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  Speaker 2: it by this point, surprisingly, So if y'all have this,
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  Speaker 2: please let us know and let us know what they
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  Speaker 2: looked like, because apparently there's three collabse with Disney shows.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, before we talk about what we played and
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  Speaker 2: how it turned out, thought we would talk a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about the game.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a first player.
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  Speaker 2: This game is instructions, and there's so many articles y'all
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  Speaker 2: says this, be the first player to match all your
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  Speaker 2: teen cards with dates, then find a date for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: The first player to get rid of all their teen
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  Speaker 2: cards by making dates wins. And in this you were
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  Speaker 2: automatically assumed to be a woman who was heterosexual, so
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  Speaker 2: you know, giant red flags here. And yeah, so I
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  Speaker 2: went through and looked at different articles reviewing the game.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of difficult, except for similar to what
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  Speaker 2: we've done, which is to review it ourselves, and they're
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  Speaker 2: all all of everybody was like, this is really bad,
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  Speaker 2: this is really sexist.
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  Speaker 3: What the hell?
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  Speaker 2: Essentially was the comment in all of it, And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so we have to go to the pictures, which was
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  Speaker 2: we had a delightful giant game night with all I
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  Speaker 2: believe pretty much all iHeart people that came and friend
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  Speaker 2: of the show Eves, who you hear once a month
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  Speaker 2: with female First, she went through these cards and was
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  Speaker 2: so excited to talk about the boys and girls that
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  Speaker 2: were the options. I really I feel like we missed
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  Speaker 2: out not having her hair playing that with us because
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  Speaker 2: she was super excited. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, essentially these cards just kind of like very short
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  Speaker 1: dating profiles that are like, likes ponies, soccer, dislikes party, Scott.
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  Speaker 2: She really hates Scott, but yeah, she loves Scott. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't inside inside well spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they're very kind of comical, just brief interest
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  Speaker 1: and dislikes that you're supposed to be able to match
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  Speaker 1: a boy and a girl together based on those. And
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  Speaker 1: Eves was loving just reading the descriptions and looking at
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  Speaker 1: the pictures because it is from the eighties, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fashion, the looks of change.
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  Speaker 2: The fashion the copies like some of them include what
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  Speaker 2: was it?
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  Speaker 3: Cheerleading? Which is this fine?
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  Speaker 2: The beach jewelry, hates bugs, baby hitting gym class.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite was there were like two clear nerds and
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  Speaker 1: one the dude nerd loved bugs and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, so I can't match with this Birthways Bugs.
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  Speaker 3: It's just kind of comical. It was quite funny.
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  Speaker 2: The whole Yeah, the whole level is absurd, but genuinely
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  Speaker 2: like concerning and I will say, really simple, to the
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  Speaker 2: point that it was so simple that we thought we
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  Speaker 2: were doing it wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we, Like, there was one thing we
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  Speaker 1: got wrong but we figured out later, which was what
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  Speaker 1: like where do you replace the cards if your date fails?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you put them back? And I think, right,
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  Speaker 1: we mixed that up at first, but we figured it out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we we I mean we got there.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, like I said, we're not the only
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  Speaker 2: ones that were like, let's look back at these games
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  Speaker 2: and see what this seems like or this let's see
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  Speaker 2: what this is. This was from the Department, a podcast
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  Speaker 2: about trends, and they did a whole slumber party series
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  Speaker 2: and a part of that is obviously, if you're from
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  Speaker 2: the eighties doing the slumber parties, you're going to play
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  Speaker 2: these games, which also included mal Madness.
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  Speaker 3: Which was also on another list with girl.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about being problematic games it's problematic sexist games.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, we talked about that too,
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  Speaker 3: it's bad.
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  Speaker 2: But in here they do talk about both Girl Talk
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  Speaker 2: and the spin off Girl Talk date Line, and it
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  Speaker 2: says this, the game was such a hit, it spun
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  Speaker 2: off Girl Talk Truth or Dare was such a hit.
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  Speaker 2: It spun off into a travel edition and a Girl's
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  Speaker 2: Talk dateline quote, a game about the two things girls
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  Speaker 2: like best talking on the phone and boys. And you
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  Speaker 2: know that's on the actual commercial, which is nonsense. There's
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  Speaker 2: no talk until the end. And that's what it says,
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  Speaker 2: which was a super clunky and heteronormative game to match
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  Speaker 2: up your boy and your girlfriends, who were also extremely
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  Speaker 2: biased and all white. Using a clunky cassette tape. You
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  Speaker 2: matched up stale gender roles and reinforced caustic stereotypes. I mean, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's nothing you could really.
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  Speaker 3: Argue, like, there's that level.
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  Speaker 2: And not only is it that way, but if you
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  Speaker 2: play it, your I guess announcer, your mediator Tracy yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: who apparently has a Wisconsin access and one was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: different girls from Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, why do you note that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll tell you whether or not it was a
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  Speaker 2: match or not match, and usually says some sexist things
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  Speaker 2: in between, like oh, no, the girls are all talking
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  Speaker 2: and who I thought he was gonna have to date
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  Speaker 2: all of them type of thing because they're all giggling
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  Speaker 2: in the background, which I'm not gonna lie. I have
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  Speaker 2: had a moment where I'm with my friends and we
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  Speaker 2: were giggling in the background while talking to boys, So
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  Speaker 2: I can't say it's too far of a stretch.
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  Speaker 3: She could be a little mean.
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  Speaker 2: She was real mean to me especially. I feel like, oh, like, girl,
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  Speaker 2: back off.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need this, I don't need this. Life just
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  Speaker 3: got rejected. I don't need this from you too.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like for anyone who doesn't know what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about, like essentially, you play this cassette tape and
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  Speaker 1: it's just running and if it's like, if it runs out,
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to flip it over, which younger listeners are
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  Speaker 1: probably like, the hell you're talking about, flip it over
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  Speaker 1: and you start again. But like you would put in
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  Speaker 1: your two your boy card and your girl card. The
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  Speaker 1: boys were yellow and girls were pink. Put them into
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  Speaker 1: that little stereo thing that they came with. The game,
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  Speaker 1: and you'd wait to hear if they had a talk
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  Speaker 1: or not, and whether or not it was a match.
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  Speaker 1: And then Tracy was the operator and she'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: what a turkey or.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever she did call that was my favorite she did.
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  Speaker 3: That was a great quote. I mean it was me
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  Speaker 3: but okay.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you It just ran like so you
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  Speaker 1: would just put in these little cards and see what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Or sometimes it would just be silent, which meant no
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  Speaker 1: match at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, no.
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  Speaker 3: At all.
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  Speaker 2: And actually they're the again when we talked about other
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  Speaker 2: people playing it. The List magazine at the List dot com,
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  Speaker 2: they have an art called things you Only Notice about
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  Speaker 2: the Girl Talk Board Game as an adult, and they
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  Speaker 2: do specifically talk about the Dateline game. The header was
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  Speaker 2: holy stereotyped Batman and they write, Girl Talk Dateline is
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  Speaker 2: what teenage dreams are made of. This game is all
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  Speaker 2: about setting your friends also known as teen cards, up
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  Speaker 2: on dates and eventually finding a date for yourself. You
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  Speaker 2: can date virtually anyone through the magic of Girl Talk Dateline,
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  Speaker 2: and by anyone, I mean any painfully stereotypical caricature of
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  Speaker 2: a person. Each teen card has a picture of the
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  Speaker 2: friend you're setting up, as well as very specific descriptions
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  Speaker 2: of their likes and dislikes. Take Danielle, for example, She's
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  Speaker 2: an adorable brunette who loves perfume and pep club but
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  Speaker 2: hates getting up early. Fair enough, who loves getting up
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  Speaker 2: early to get to class. Oh, I bet Gert does.
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  Speaker 2: Gert is a nerd, y'all. Gert has horned rim glasses,
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  Speaker 2: so obviously she loves algebra and Latin. Homer also wears glasses,
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  Speaker 2: loves computer club and collecting bugs, and hates sports and
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  Speaker 2: school dances. It's almost like Homer and Gert are a
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  Speaker 2: match made in stereotypical nerd heaven. But they're not, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a part in the game where sometimes the
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  Speaker 2: way their card slots, because it's how they get the voice,
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  Speaker 2: don't work at all, and that means it's a rejection.
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  Speaker 3: They were not a match. We tried it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there were some that didn't make sense, and according
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  Speaker 1: to the rules, basically you have characters that are just
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  Speaker 1: really likable and so they're easier to match. Then you
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  Speaker 1: have characters that are more specific, in which case I thought,
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  Speaker 1: of course, Homer and Girt would be a match. But
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: maybe it's an opposite suttracted case. But also this is
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  Speaker 1: where my detestment for Scott came in, because you knew
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  Speaker 1: they're basically the cards are sort of split into four
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  Speaker 1: places and then there's like a middle space where you
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  Speaker 1: do the blind date part. But I knew where Scott was,
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  Speaker 1: and I kept landing on his space, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't match with them.
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  Speaker 3: Mad about Scotty all very mad about Scott was he
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  Speaker 3: was like the drama kid that was too cool, you know.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know those people, but yeah, And then this
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  Speaker 2: article they basically talk about that, and then they basically
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  Speaker 2: talk about how even imaginary boys or jerks too and
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  Speaker 2: only am they surely are. How again it's whitewashed as
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  Speaker 2: hell because the one person that may be of color
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: you don't know because they're very light skin or just
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: hand whichever whichever it is, right, And then they go
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  Speaker 2: on to talk about, uh, how girls talk is basically
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  Speaker 2: just boy talk, and they go on to say, just
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  Speaker 2: like the narrator and the creepy girl Talk Dateline commercial says,
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  Speaker 2: girl Talk Dateline is a game about the two things
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  Speaker 2: girl like best talking on the phone and boys. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: girl talk might be the name of the game, but
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  Speaker 2: boy talk is what it's all about. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think sleepovers were for telling scary stories and French braiding
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  Speaker 2: your friend's hair. You're such a girt?
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  Speaker 3: Love this?
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  Speaker 2: Now call this imaginary boy and ask him on a date.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't leave gird alone? Why you gonna be mean? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: They talk about how yes, even in this game the
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  Speaker 2: dudes are so boring. And then they said, uh that
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  Speaker 2: the girl talk is more like talk dated get it
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  Speaker 2: because it's old. They remember burying time capsules filled with
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  Speaker 2: their favorite things, photos of yourself during childhood, hoping future
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  Speaker 2: generations or aliens would find them a billion years later
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  Speaker 2: and be totally impressed with how cool of a kid
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  Speaker 2: you were. Well, opening a girl Talk board game is
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: like opening a time capsule to your most embarrassing years.
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  Speaker 2: Feather bans a cassette tape. Did you just step into Narnia? Sarca,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. Kids these days would need a translator
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  Speaker 2: just to get through the game. What's this weird white
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  Speaker 2: brick thing with a cord? Oh, there's a phone corded foam.
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  Speaker 2: All of the nineties nostalgia aside. The makers of Girl
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  Speaker 2: Talk left no room for anything but heterosexuality. In Girl
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  Speaker 2: Talk Dateline, the rules clearly state that only boys and
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  Speaker 2: girls can be matched. That they even color coded the
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  Speaker 2: genders to make it easier. Boys are yellow and girls
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  Speaker 2: are pink. But don't get it twisted or you'll lose.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, in that, Annie had to date a dude
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  Speaker 2: because that's your You have a car that's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be just has has a heart on it and it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be representing you. And who did you end
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  Speaker 2: up matching with?
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  Speaker 3: Annie? Scott? Damn it, Scott.
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  Speaker 1: It's a friends to enemy, but it was a friends
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  Speaker 1: in me because I thought he'd match, and then it
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  Speaker 1: was just an enemy.
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  Speaker 2: And then with him, oh man, you won twice. But
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the first one time she really tried to trick me
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  Speaker 2: by handing her card dates and I was like, why
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  Speaker 2: do I get it?
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  Speaker 3: Because we couldn't understand what Tracy was saying. It wasn't
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: like because we were like, yeah, she's.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Saying trade off or uh, she said something else and
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was like past the date, but it was
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  Speaker 1: not that it was just like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like we were.
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  Speaker 2: Just like, what what's.
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  Speaker 3: Happening Tracy what's happening? Tracy? That Tracy.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's this article that has a pretty large
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  Speaker 2: scale conversation about the problems with these games and how
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  Speaker 2: really dangerous it is and also again how heteronormative and
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a rasing of any culture whatsoever. And it's from Analog
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  Speaker 2: Game Studies dot org and it's from twenty fifteen. So
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  Speaker 2: all these, by the way, all these articles, I think
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  Speaker 2: the earliest one is like twenty twenty, twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 2: or the newest one, because it's still this is a
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  Speaker 2: really old game, y'all, and it's not aged well. But
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  Speaker 2: the title of it is queerying girl Talk the board game,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and just talking about how like problematic these games were
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  Speaker 2: in so many ways. And in it they say girl
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  Speaker 2: talk is the socio political product of a discourse around
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: female empowerment that characterized the mid nineteen eighties. Following the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: perceived relatively success of feminism's second wave, women enter the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: workforce in record numbers. The resulting challenge of reconciling career
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: with familial obligations became a pressing and topical issue. Girl
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  Speaker 2: Talk reconciled this problematic by promising a natural balance between
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: hetero domesticity and the workplace through its career cards. In fact,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a career is ostensibly a good place to find a husband.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: One card reads, after three weeks on your first job
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  Speaker 2: as a profession quote, you know, profession, you'll meet the
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  Speaker 2: man that you'll eventually marry. Yet family does not necessitate
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the abandonment of career aspirations. One card reassures the winner,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you will have children early in the life, followed by
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: a successful career in whatever state. In Girl Talk, girls
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: are reassured that they will have simultaneous access to both
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the workplace and the domestic space. The career path available
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in the game and reflects the importance of physical beauty.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, like all of these things, And then they
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: go on to say if then this game can be
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: seen as a not so subtle attempt to instill hetero
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: patriarchal values and reproduce emphasized femininity in a generation of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: upper middle class girls. What value remains in critically reflecting
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: on it, The answer is found in experience. While Girl
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Talk is a product that is branded as having a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: very narrow, loookable market, it's very nature as a game
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: that relies on play and meaning making that existence within
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the femeral confines of the interactive experience. Girl Talk is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: performed the moment of its playing, and the game is
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: equally constituted by the game's mechanics, structure and the players.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And they keep going on about how this like we
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: have to have a conversation about the depth of what
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: these games do and perpetuating heteronormative stereotypes and being said,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: this is normal, and this is how you win, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: literally you win by prising their feminine attributes beauty, amolable personality,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and cheerful subservience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So they even talk about the fact that the career
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: cards involve acting or modeling or both and so different
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: things like that, and how you know you have to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: find a career like that, you have to find a husband,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and then you also have to be balancing these things
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: because you are the woman. And so in the in
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the early eighties, you're like, that's fine if you want
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to work, but understand housework is still your responsibility as.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Well, right, And definitely a lot of the hobbies, uh,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and the one we played were they were very gendered,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: like it would be like she loves going to the mall,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: he hates, like.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: She loves talk. He's talking.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, they were the opposite of each other, but yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: so obviously, yes, these games reinforced these ideas and it's
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: also part of the dream like that, and we're going
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to talk about it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Actually very soon.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Was kind of that beginning of the teen magazines where
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: we had heart throbs and guys that we were so
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: coming after. Hello Jonathan Taylor Thomas for a bit of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: a second, as well as you know Jonathan Brandis who
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: RIP I loved dearly growing up. So having this type
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of culture really did instigate this fantasy life of this
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is what the dream is.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I will say I had a fun time
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: playing it. It was funny because we were like obviously
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: largely there was some stress involved, but it was funny.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, as a kid, I do think it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: interesting some of the points you've you've made from these
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: articles these quotes is that when you play it when
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you're young, it does reinforce like an idea of Okay,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: this is what everybody else seems to be into, so
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I'm into it. But it also can just be fun.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying we shouldn't examine it and be like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: here is the problems of it at all, because that
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: does stick with you. And I think when I was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a kid, I would see people get into this and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, I should be into this. But
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: there's kind of that space where you're all just sort
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: of yeah, like giggling and being like, well, this is silly.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Or I can remember fighting with the girlfriends about these
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: games though, oh I can also happen to teams also.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But yes, we are going to do more of these adventures,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: including several of the games that Annie has given me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Maul Madness is going to be in there. Sweet Valley
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: High Club, Polite Society, which I don't know if we
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: talked much about. I believe was that an Etsy purchase.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that one's more of a like try
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to survive in a Jane Austin.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that we're going to try to do
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that as well as the fact that I just found
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: out Margaret Kiljoy, who is a friend of the show
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: as well, did a whole RPG tabletop game.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Oh cool.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I think we need to look into that too, bring wrong,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: let her talk about.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: That, Yes, and Samantha will be on Margaret Shows.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yes in the next couple of weeks. Yeah, I don't know.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll let you know what happens. We'll let you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: know what happens. But yes, these are really fun. I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: hope that you all enjoy them. And again, if you
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: have any board game suggestions, tabletop suggestions at large, game
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: suggestions at large, but also if you have any memories
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of these games, these very heteronormative games or aim towards children,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: towards girls, please let us know because you know we
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: might find a way to play it and us.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: At it on the show.
• 24:55
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• 25:03
  Speaker 3: We might post that video. We'll find it, We'll see
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: of us playing this.
• 25:08
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• 25:13
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• 25:16
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