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Patriots Unfiltered 4/7: Latest Draft Buzz, League/Team Updates, Biggest Needs/Missing Pieces · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to another edition of Patriot's Unfiltered. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: special guest and introducing Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium and we're grinding through
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  Speaker 1: the off season.
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  Speaker 4: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit of Patriots news today, but otherwise
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we've hit the void. And this is
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  Speaker 1: where kind of all the draft research piles up and
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  Speaker 1: you start silly season starts to happen. You start to
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  Speaker 1: get stupid rumors or things about guys getting pushed down
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  Speaker 1: the board.
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  Speaker 4: We have in a good stupid rule, No, not yet,
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  Speaker 4: I have. I'm a stupid room.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't this the time usually when you hear about well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this guy has got a terrible attitude. Actually
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  Speaker 1: think Jordan Tyson's the one getting it right now with
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  Speaker 1: his Yeah, I felt like there was a Daniel Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: clip where it seemed like he was holding back a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, that he might be maybe a little soft.
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  Speaker 1: But this is whenever all that news starts coming out,
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  Speaker 1: the rumors trying to push guys up and down the board.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know about you, guys. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm starting to get a little bit antsy for the draft.
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  Speaker 1: But I also and this is kind of a topic
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  Speaker 1: I did some show prep. Paul be proud of me.
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  Speaker 1: I like to talk about today just and I think
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  Speaker 1: this happens every year with drafts. Like you look at
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  Speaker 1: it and you say, well, they need this position, and
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  Speaker 1: they told us they got to get a tight end,
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  Speaker 1: and they love the edge class, and you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you really the rubber meets the road, you're like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 1: is this six round tackle pick really going to move
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  Speaker 1: the needle? Or is this six round tight end really
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  Speaker 1: going to be what Mike Rabel was talking about. So
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  Speaker 1: we can get into that a little bit about the
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  Speaker 1: about the needs and how to balance all those lining
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  Speaker 1: up their needs with with what's strong in the draft class.
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  Speaker 1: But just think off the top. Marty Mapu totally released
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  Speaker 1: this morning, so there's some real Patriots News. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think about that one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have been talking about linebackers as
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  Speaker 2: a need for the Patriots, or just at least as
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  Speaker 2: a position they might target to add somebody to the pipeline.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like I give the same take about
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  Speaker 2: tight end tackle, linebacker, safety, where it's it might not
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  Speaker 2: be a twenty twenty sixth need where there's this hole
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  Speaker 2: on the roster, but you start to look at the
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  Speaker 2: ages and the wear and tear on some of the
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  Speaker 2: guys that are starting for this team, and you start
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  Speaker 2: to think about the next chapter, and you know, Mapu
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  Speaker 2: obviously it just didn't work out for him here, and
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  Speaker 2: I would say the biggest reason being that he was
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  Speaker 2: probably always a linebacker. Then they try to do that
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  Speaker 2: whole hybrid safety thing in the old defense with Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Dugger and Jabriel Peppers, and they never really developed that linebacker,
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  Speaker 2: So then they try to slip him back into linebacker
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  Speaker 2: under girod Mayo. And at that point, once it got
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  Speaker 2: to Vrabel, I think it was kind of too late, right,
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  Speaker 2: like the developmental curve had kind of probably right run
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  Speaker 2: out that he probably wasn't going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: do that now is he ever going to be a
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  Speaker 2: great player? Probably not, But I think that there would
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  Speaker 2: have been a better chance if he had just focused
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  Speaker 2: on one position, And I think that's maybe a position
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  Speaker 2: that was also the one that was best suited for him,
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  Speaker 2: which I always thought was him playing at the second
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  Speaker 2: level at linebacker.
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  Speaker 1: Bulk him up a little bit. I mean his body
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  Speaker 1: always body type SEMT.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think everything Evin said is more than fair.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I just look at it as the the
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  Speaker 6: a the athlete I think is what attracted Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 6: to him. But at the same time, you look at
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  Speaker 6: it and say, well, he's a guy who did a
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  Speaker 6: lot of different things at a you know, at Sacramento State,
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  Speaker 6: at a level of football. I mean, I'm not trying
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  Speaker 6: to be disrespectful, but it's a little less than the
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  Speaker 6: SEC or the Big ten, shall we say so exactly
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  Speaker 6: water he fit. I think he was one of the
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  Speaker 6: those classic tweeners. But you know in the bigger pitcher,
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  Speaker 6: like Kevin said, you know, you still have Spolly and
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  Speaker 6: you still have Ellis. But that's now three guys from
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  Speaker 6: last year's team, Tavai Gibbons and now Maphu who gave
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  Speaker 6: you some quote unquote depth at that position that you know,
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  Speaker 6: I'd be surprised if they didn't come out of the
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  Speaker 6: draft at some point with an.
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  Speaker 4: Off ball linebacker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and some extent Anthony Jennings too, not I
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  Speaker 1: know what you're saying, off the ball, but yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: second level edge defender kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they signed kJ Britt, who I think is
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  Speaker 2: going to replace a lot of the special team stuff
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  Speaker 2: that these other guys have left behind and maybe kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a Christian Ellis, there's more there on defense
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  Speaker 2: with kJ Britt and the right system, the right coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, we've been talking about these linebackers
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  Speaker 2: for months now. It's a good linebacker class. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of depth to it. I think where that sweet
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  Speaker 2: spot is is an interesting conversation because again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a depth pick. It's not you're not drafting a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot S thirty one. Yeah, so you know.
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  Speaker 2: This week, you know, in September week one, So where
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  Speaker 2: do you take that? I think, you know, you there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of guys that there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: positions that you could say, probably like the third or
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  Speaker 2: fourth round, they'll take one of those. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you can only do that at you only have three
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  Speaker 2: picks in the third or fourth round, so you can't
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  Speaker 2: do it everywhere. But when you start to look at
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  Speaker 2: some of the guys, you know, we can name names
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  Speaker 2: and all that good stuff. But I still think that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of the sweet spot. I know a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people really like Jacob Rodriguez at the top, or you
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  Speaker 2: know C. J. Allen or Anthony Hill Junior from Texas.
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  Speaker 2: That's those are going to be probably top fifty guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's a little bit too early. So
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  Speaker 2: maybe it kind of starts with like the Jack Gold
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  Speaker 2: days of the world, Jake Gold Days of the World,
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  Speaker 2: and then kind of moves on down to you know,
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  Speaker 2: my guys like Fisher and Betcher from Oregon and you
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  Speaker 2: know that sort of te Harold Perkins maybe in there
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  Speaker 2: somewhere too. So I think that's kind of what you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at, is that mid round range to just get
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  Speaker 2: somebody to add into the pipeline, not necessarily to play
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  Speaker 2: and start right away.
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  Speaker 1: How many positions do you feel like fall under that category.
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  Speaker 2: Though, like all of them, you know, I you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're starting to put our big boards together, Deuce, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta have a couple of corners on
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  Speaker 2: here because it's not a it's not a top one
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  Speaker 2: hundred need most likely, but Carl Davis is starting to
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  Speaker 2: get a little bit older, that third cornerback spot could
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  Speaker 2: probably be upgraded anyways, you know, in terms of outside corners,
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  Speaker 2: no offense to Chucky trees, but like maybe you can
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  Speaker 2: get a little bit better there as well. And so
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  Speaker 2: you corner is kind of one of those safety is
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  Speaker 2: kind of one of those linebackers, kind of one of
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  Speaker 2: those tight end is definitely one of those offensive tackle
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  Speaker 2: is one of those guard with you know on when
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  Speaker 2: he was in a contract year. You never know what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen with Elijah Vera Tucker in his injury history.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think PA like six possessions, only you
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  Speaker 2: only have five picks that I think are meaningful picks. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, once you get past the fourth round, we're
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  Speaker 2: starting to throw We're throwing darts, we're taking lottery tickets.
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  Speaker 1: You just summed up everything that I kind of teed
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  Speaker 1: up at the part of the show, which I think
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  Speaker 1: this happens every year where you especially when you look
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  Speaker 1: at next year's needs and you think about you know, Keisham, Bouti,
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  Speaker 1: Douglas Hollins all going to be free agents. Christian ellis
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  Speaker 1: going to be a free agent. So on one hand,
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at the edge position where I think you
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  Speaker 1: could have immediate help, and we've talked a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about tight end. Maybe there's a spot to have some
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  Speaker 1: immediate help there. But do you look at the good
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  Speaker 1: positions and where you can get immediate help? Are you
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  Speaker 1: looking an eye ahead to next year? Which I think
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  Speaker 1: is what the best teams do, right that's really where
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  Speaker 1: they're looking at. Yes, the thirty one, maybe you get
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  Speaker 1: an impact player, but yeah, you need a balance.
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  Speaker 4: You need to fill the holes that you have too.
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  Speaker 6: Like I agree that there's a lot of you know
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  Speaker 6: down the road, you know needs that they're going to
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  Speaker 6: have to address.
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  Speaker 4: But you should be able to get a guy.
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  Speaker 6: Who can play right away in the first round, regardless
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  Speaker 6: you know, third or thirty.
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  Speaker 4: First you should be able to get a guy who
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  Speaker 4: can play.
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  Speaker 6: Now I'm not talking you know, a ten year starter
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  Speaker 6: and plug him in as a Pro Bowl or five
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  Speaker 6: you know, five time Pro Bowl or yeah that's a hit,
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  Speaker 6: but you should be able to get a guy who
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  Speaker 6: has the ability to play in the NFL reasonably fast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: I think I kind of settling on and this is
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  Speaker 2: pretty par for the course, not like anything groundbreaking, but
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  Speaker 2: at thirty one, draft a player that's going to make
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  Speaker 2: an immediate impact. Draft somebody at edge, maybe playmaker, receiver,
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  Speaker 2: tight end, probably receiver. I don't I don't know there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a tight end there to take, but
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  Speaker 2: one of those types of positions that that's the guy
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  Speaker 2: you're drafting to help the twenty twenty six Patriots. Then
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  Speaker 2: once you get out of the first round, this is
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  Speaker 2: when we start to get into the conversations that we're
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  Speaker 2: having about.
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  Speaker 4: Right pipelines.
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  Speaker 6: Point And it's just I do remember back because you know,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think everybody remembers how badly the draft
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  Speaker 6: ended for Belichick. But there was a long stretch that
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  Speaker 6: Belichick and his staff did a really good job of
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  Speaker 6: balancing the short and long term. They did a really
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  Speaker 6: good job from say two thousand and you know, one
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  Speaker 6: two all the.
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  Speaker 4: Way through you know, thirteen.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it was a good stretch of Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we can take a Lawrence Moroni in a year, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, we have Corey Dillon, so you know, we
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  Speaker 6: were sort of setting something up, but there was also
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  Speaker 6: guys like Logan Mankins that plugged right in and were
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  Speaker 6: immediate starters.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Then they also i mean would not have to get
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  Speaker 6: into a whole historical thing, but they also did a
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  Speaker 6: great job of finding diamonds in the rough and and
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  Speaker 6: you know, starters in the third, fourth, and fifth rounds
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  Speaker 6: like Dan Copen and it's Sante Samuel and you know,
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  Speaker 6: all kinds of guys like that. So it's unfortunately for Belichick,
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  Speaker 6: the well just ran dry and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 6: he didn't have it anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think they were in.
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  Speaker 6: A position, say like they were, you know in eleven,
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  Speaker 6: you know, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, You know, they know
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  Speaker 6: they're going to win twelve thirteen games.
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  Speaker 4: They know they're going to be in the AFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 6: We can take Matt Light's replacement because we don't care
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  Speaker 6: if he doesn't play this year. And Nate Solder turned
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  Speaker 6: out that he had to play that year because they
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  Speaker 6: ended up having injuries. But they didn't take that player
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  Speaker 6: with the idea, you know, the idea that he was
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  Speaker 6: going to start right away. I don't think this team
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  Speaker 6: is in that spot. I don't think they're they're that
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  Speaker 6: good quote unquote that they can just say, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: if there was someone there that just blew them away
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  Speaker 6: and they didn't have an immediate need for it, sure
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  Speaker 6: take them. But I don't really think that's the best
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  Speaker 6: course right now for the way the Patriots are situated.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking about which positions do you
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  Speaker 1: really realistically say they don't need that, they don't need that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I could quarter quarterback, right quarterback, maybe running back.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you can make an argument at running back, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even you know, and this is getting into what
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about it like where do you
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  Speaker 1: what do you put put off? You know, do you
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say put off tight ends because
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  Speaker 1: Verbel's been talking about the tight end group forever. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I find when I screw around with mock drafts,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you always miss Kenyan Cidek and
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  Speaker 1: then you got guys start going in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: that second round, and you know, so now you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at trading up to get one of those
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  Speaker 1: tight ends that you know before you get into developmental territory,
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  Speaker 1: which Evan's got a whole piece on tight ends Paul
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  Speaker 1: that I I had the proofery because Fred and a
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  Speaker 1: choker out today, so I it was all on me
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  Speaker 1: to make sure Evan nailed it. But sure, but it
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  Speaker 1: was good. It was a good way to kind of
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy with this. I was tasked with with young
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  Speaker 1: Bazars right up. But it was really good. And it's
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  Speaker 1: always you know what I like is, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: Beast coming out, is you do all this kind of
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  Speaker 1: draft research and then you get like a new something
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  Speaker 1: to read and kind of consider, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: thought of that as your piece this morning. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to thread the needle on that position you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned linebacker. You know, by the time you get to
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  Speaker 1: the fourth round, it's hard to say, yeah, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: going to come in. And you know, that's why it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the top half of the draft you
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  Speaker 1: need guys to immediately fill holes. And even though they
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  Speaker 1: have eleven draft picks, that those day three guys, I
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  Speaker 1: think they really got to be good this year, especially
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  Speaker 1: looking towards next year where you're thinking about those positions
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to have, you know are going to
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  Speaker 1: open up you. You know, Hunter Henry, maybe they extend him,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a long term need. Morgan Moses, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he has another full healthy season, but that's probably
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  Speaker 1: going to be a need sooner and later. Go right
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  Speaker 1: down the list, you know. That's that's where it just
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  Speaker 1: gets hard. I think it happens every year, though. You
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  Speaker 1: get to these mock drafts and you're like, well, I
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  Speaker 1: can't get these guys because I'm way down, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you're trading up, and you're trading down and trying
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  Speaker 1: to make.
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  Speaker 4: It all work.
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  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I'm larger with Paul and
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  Speaker 2: I have been this whole time that it just feels
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  Speaker 2: a little bit too soon to make a luxury pick
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  Speaker 2: of we're going to draft and stash a guide that's
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  Speaker 2: really a player that we're expecting to start in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven. I don't know if they're there yet.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The one exception I think to that is probably tackle,
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  Speaker 2: just because.
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  Speaker 4: I would agree there's just no tackles in.
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  Speaker 2: A draft like this that after the top forty picks,
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  Speaker 2: I would say that I feel great about So if
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  Speaker 2: Yanna Jor or Blake Miller or Lomu or one of
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  Speaker 2: those guys, is sitting there at thirty one that I
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  Speaker 2: can be talked into, But at pretty much every other position,
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  Speaker 2: I really don't feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think you mentioned which positions do they not need?
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  Speaker 2: I still don't really think corners that pressing, even even
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  Speaker 2: if you for like a fourth corner, like we can
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  Speaker 2: do that on day three and throw a flyer on
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  Speaker 2: a trade skuy that's got some speed and some size
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  Speaker 2: and see if he develops on day three, if they
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  Speaker 2: end up needing to move on from Carlton Davis, or
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  Speaker 2: if Marcus Jones starts to catch up, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: wear and tear starts to catch up with him. I'm
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: assuming that Christian Gonzalez is going to be here long term.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: You can make You can make that pick in twenty
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: twenty seven. You don't need to make that pick this year.
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: I would largely agree with that. I have a question
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: for you, guys, so I agree with something haven't said
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: a little while ago about you know, you have just
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: those those top picks, you know, once you get past
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: the two fourth rounders, you kind of yeah, but you
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: have all those sixth rounders, you know, is that enough
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: to maybe get another pick into the area that you
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: deem valuable.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Do you think I think it's enough to slightly move
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: up the board in one of those rounds, you know,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: within the round. Now, are you going to create a
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: whole new pick out of it? Probably not, But if
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: you are looking to let's say they're at one twenty
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: five in the fourth round, right, if they really like
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: somebody at the back end of the third round, could
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: they package some picks together to move up back into
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the third round so they make two picks in the
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: third round instead of two picks in the fourth.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I get that. I get that. I agree with you.
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: What I was wondering is could you somehow package you
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: know that I know I sound like a I sound
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: like a caller, and.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: You have four sixth round picks for is there anything
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: that you could package to get a you know, a pick,
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: say round one thirty?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, I wish I had my note card because
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I just did this exercise. I pulled up and get
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson board.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It depends on how right. It depends.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Not to be nice because I might be being like
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: a caller here. I want to trade, you know.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Paul, I did this exercise yesterday, so I might not
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: make it fun of you at all. I was just
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: you know, it's fun to play with those numbers to see, well,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: what would these two picks?
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: You know, what would just I was talking about, like
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: it's really five picks. I one thousand percent agreed, Like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: you're going to get some backup lineman, you know, on
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: day three, you're going to get some backup defensive backs
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: on day three, and hopefully if you if you, if
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: you hit it and you get a little lucky, you
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: might get a couple of players there. But like, it's
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: not something necessarily that you rely on. So how do
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: you get the picks that are a little bit more reliable?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's two different kind of trades that
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I look at. One is obviously the one I just
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: talked about, which is to trade from the fourth round
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: back into the third round, so you make two third
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: round picks.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: The other one that I would say is that you're
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: at sixty three at the second in the second round,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: if you trade sixty three one of your fourth and
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: one or two of your sixth, you could maybe move
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: from sixty three back into the top fifty, and now
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: you can make a pick at thirty one and a
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: pick at fifty. And I don't know about you guys,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: but every time, and maybe this is just my laziness,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: four six round picks is egregious. Like, I don't I
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: don't even know if there's there's like room on the
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: roster for four six round picks. So if you start
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to use those, even though they're not worth a ton, like,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: maybe they can be filler in a bigger trade to
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: try to move up from the end of the second
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: to the middle of the second or the fourth back
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: into the third or something along those lines, to kind
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of get in on one of these runs at one
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: of these positions, and so you don't lose out on everybody.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: It's like the quality verus quantity exactly exactly the other
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: trade thing that I was sort of wondering about.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: And I think Bill Barnwell wrote a little bit about
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: this yesterday. He had kind of an interesting piece. He
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: had every team trading in the first round, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: you know, throughout the draft.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys caught any of this.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: Sounds like a bar yeah, I mean it was, you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: and listen, I think Bill Barnwell does a terrific job.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: I've said this many times. I must be I think
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: he's really really good. I just don't have the time
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: to read, you know, four thousand words on you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: trading from thirty one, you know, down to put in
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: or whatever it is. But just the premise of trading
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: out of that first round pick for the Patriots, which
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: could give them, you know, an additional second round pick
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: if they slid down a few spots. Maybe someone high
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: in the second round wants to get up and maybe
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: and you know, Barnwell I think rightly analyzes it by
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: saying there's some value at the end of that first
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: round for that fifth year, you get one extra year
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: of control.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: It's not just.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Well, the Jets want to trade because they want to
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: trade up and you see if they can get Ty Simpson.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: It's not just about that. It's not just about a quarterback.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: It's about any player to get that additional year of control.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: And the Patriots may look at it and say, well,
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: I can get maybe a two wint of three to
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: get two with Evans picks that he finds some value
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: win And how much different is that than thirty one
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: if you slide down a few spots.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I don't hate the thirty one trade down, and I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this is a recurring theme for me. I feel like,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel the same way, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it's always like the guys I love most are going
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: like ten to twenty five in the second round, like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: those just like the middle chunk of the second round
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: always seems like there's so many, you know, good promising players,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: maybe with one potential flaw. But you know, somebody you
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: look at and you say, I think this guy's gonna
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you know, immediately come in and you know, develop into something.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But I also just find myself wondering, like are we
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: underrating players that we don't know and you you know
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: mentioned cornerback. I look at like Marcellus Dial who I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: thought had a good camp last year before he tore
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: his ACL. You know, Kobe Minor was a rookie last
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: year who got brought up to the roster at the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: end of the season. You're, you know, you're mentioning, Hey,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: let's take a flyer on these guys on day three.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: These are guys from the last two years that they've
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: taken flyers on in Day three. And then by that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: same token, you know, are we sleeping on Elijah Ponder
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: or Braden Swinston. You know, are we not giving them
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the credit that maybe the team is giving them saying
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: we think Elijah Ponter is gonna come in and be
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: part of a really good three man rotation with Harol Landry.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: You know, That's where I'm trying to figure out, what
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: what's the truth. What do they really actually need? What
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: is this?
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: I look at Dial and mine or both, they like
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: him as special teamers. Yeah, I don't necessarily see having
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: you know, but you're right, we don't know.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know that. I mean, that's just the way
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I look at it. I mean maybe the guy probably yeah, Dial.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Dial to me is a fourth or fifth cornerback that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: can play in a pinch on defense.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: But his reputation was as an excellent special team player,
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: not just a guy who played special teams.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: But he was really good at what his role was.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was projecting towards maybe competing a little bit
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: for snaps at corner before he got hurt in camp
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: last year. So it's it's possible, but just quickly on
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the trade down out of the first round, if we
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: just you know, play a little bit of make believe
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: here for a second, if you trade out of thirty
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: one and you trade with the team, I don't know
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: if you're doing it in the division, but the.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Jets, Yeah, that's one of the ones that barnwell.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: The Cardinals, you know, teams like that that need a quarterback.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: They want to come up to draft Ty Simpson and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: they want to get to the front of the line
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and get that fifth year option on Ty Simpson. Can
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you get a pick in twenty twenty seven, Because if
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you can get a pick in twenty twenty seven out
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of this trade, there's a certain receiver in Philadelphia that
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: might be available post June one, And now you have
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: extra AMMO to put that pick that you got from
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the trade down in the trade for AJ Brown, And
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: so now you're not giving up one of your own picks,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: maybe for AJ Brown, you're giving up somebody else's future
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven picks. So I think for a lot
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of reasons a trade down makes sense because if you
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: can get something in twenty twenty seven eight, it's just
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: supposedly a better draft, which I think are always valuable picks.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But also if you're thinking still about AJ Brown, then
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: maybe you have extra AMO to go get AJ Brown
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: with the twenty seven picks by adding twenty seven picks,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So I don't even know if you need to trade
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: down necessarily to have, like the prize of the trade
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: be a twenty twenty six draft pick. I kind of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: almost rather it be a twenty twenty seven sure draft
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: pick at that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Point, I so interested in all those scenarios.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: It can't be twenty twenty six at all. But I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: just think that the twenty twenty seven picks are going
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: to have a little bit more value for those couple
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of reasons.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: But along those lines, is there a wide receiver that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: could be there at thirty one that would make you say,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: we can put off this AJ Brown thing. We got
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a guy that maybe it's not going to be the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: immediate impact that a veteran like AJ Brown might have
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: because it's hard to see it in that range that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: there would be a guy to take him off the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: board field.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're looking at positions, like which
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: positions would move the needle the most if you drafted
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: them there, edge rusher receiver are the two, Like we
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: can talk ourselves into tackles and stuff like that. As
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a developmental need to replace Morgan Moses. But if you're
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: looking for a player to come in and help the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Patriots and move the needle the most,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it's those two spots wide receiver. I think that, you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Denzel Boston's a guy I've sort of gone back and forth,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and I've struggled with Denzel get he's not and I've
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: sworn off those types of players. I've you know, I've
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: been burned. I've been hurt in the past by that
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: exact archetype, that exact one to get hurt. But is
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: he closer and this is what I kind of grapple with.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Is he closer to the Drake London's and the Tep
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: mcmillans than he is to the Keyon Coleman's and then
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Nikhil Harry's. And if you think that he's closer to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: that top end of that spectrum, then he's worth a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: first round pick because I don't think he's quite as
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: good as those two, especially after the catch and you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the build up speed and all that kind of stuff.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: You know, the guy I compared him to his more
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of like a Courtland Sutton who's a nice player, but
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: probably not you know, a number one big time difference
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: maker like Ted and Drake London. But if he fits
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that for you, you know, I think we've talked a
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: lot about size on the outside and getting a guy
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: down the field that can win the ball for Drake May.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And you know, there's something enticing about May growing with
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the player.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's appealing to me.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed to it's almost like a mercenary thing
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that they're doing right now with It would be Diggs
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: for a year and then it would be aj Brown
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: for a year or two and then it would be
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the next guy. And is that really the pattern you
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: want to get yourself into with Drake May where every
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: one to two years his number one receiver is changing
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and it's somebody new. Now you have to hit on
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the pick, like you can't just say let's just do
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it to grow together. It sounds great in theory, but
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: if it's Jalen Polk then it's not going to work right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So you have to be right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: That was my schnarky response to Mike. Yeah, like last
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: week or a couple of weeks ago. Wow, it's great,
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah it works.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Casey Concepcion is my type of guy. Yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe Romeo Dobbs bumps outside a little bit
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: more than we except Michael Mark Cooper too, Yeah, really
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: good too. You know all those guys I think are
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: in shouting distance, you know, are they all going to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: make it to thirty one?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: No?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But one of them probably will.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Not to jump into emails too soon because we you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: know per Fred's usual, you know, order of events that
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: have to happen. We have to set the table first.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Much of the table is quite say yet. But I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: going to hop into this just I thought it was
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: an interesting email from Chris. It's just says, Hey, guys,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of analysts think conception she
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: own is out of the question at thirty one shitty
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: fall because the style of play overlaps with Dobbs. Could
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: having guys that overlap like that create more versatility organically,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: as opposed to a guy like Brazzl or Boston that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: will come in and strictly play one spot. Also, one
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: guy I would like you to look into his Josi
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Green from Duke Haia character high motor guy, and he's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: also my wife's cousin.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Say, generally, I'm not interested in the high motor guests,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: especially at skilled positions.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: But in this case, I will make an exceens.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: He's a DTAM. He's a defensive tackle. Oh okay, yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: but that I mean sums up well. And I mean
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I would say that I don't think Boston would be
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: confined to just outside like I think they could move
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: him around a little bit. Yeah, Matt Collins Ish, yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe play tight splits.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But I do get it. I do get you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: before the Dobbs signing, Conceptium was a very popular Patriots.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: A lot of people have said that, I know Evan
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: said it immediately, there's there's there might be some duplication
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: if you think he is good enough. I kind of like,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, I like CONCEPTI on a lot. I liked
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: him watching Texas A and M during the course of
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: the season, just the impact that he made on games.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: He was one of those guys that when you watch
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: them play, he impacted the game pretty much every time.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: I would take him if you think he's that that
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: kind of a player, Whether or not it happens immediately
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: with him and Dabbs together, it might take you a
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: little while to figure that out. How they but you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Evan just said, you know, maybe Dobbs could move and
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: play a different role.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Who knows.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he certainly did in Green Bay.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Like you know, this is I think we see Romeo
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Dobbs as uh, you know, kind of in that bigger
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Z slot kind of molds you know, kind of like
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a Jacobi Meyers type of player. But he does have
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that ability to play on the outside. He did it
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: in Green Bay. Now not necessarily all the time, all
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the way outside, but it's you know, semantics.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Casey is one of my favorites. I mean, he's he's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: probably the best pure separator in the draft, like just
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the guy that creates the most separation on his routes.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there's any doubt that he's at
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: least at the top of that list.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: The drop rate is something that people bring up and
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: are concerned about, But to me, like the drops happen
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in these like in like the high traffic areas over
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field where maybe he you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: hears some footsteps and stuff like that and you know
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: kind of alligator arms one here and there. I don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: look at his hands as like, I don't think he
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: has bad hands. I think he's a guy that's a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: high volume guy that' sees a lot of targets and
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of chaos in every once in a while
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: he drops a pass. You know, I don't look at
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: his hands as bad as Contesta's catcher right as you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: sixty six percent, which normally tells you that, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: he's pretty good finishing through contact and that type of thing.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm not overly concerned about it. He's just you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: he's six feet one ninety one ninety five somewhere around there,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: so he's not he's an inside guy, you know, he's
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a guy that needs to play off the line, play
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: in the slot, you know, do that sort of thing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think that he's your true ex but other
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: than that, you know, I think he's one of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: best in this class. And I think that he's probably
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: closer honestly, and for a lot of people to the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Makayle Lemon Tate, Tyson Tate tier than he is to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: like this next tier. People just have concerns about the drops.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of reminds me a little twenty eleven when
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: they got rid of Moss and then they had was
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: twenty ten. Sorry, the branch and Welker, but always thought
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we're kind of similar players. Didn't really have a big
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: outside guy figure. They can move you know, guys around.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: But I just I continue to wonder we're going to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: come out of this draft and be like, well, they're
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: definitely getting a J.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Browns.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: They didn't touch wide receiver, like you know, and even
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: if they did touch wide receiver, I don't know if
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: it necessarily precludes them from getting no because the next year, Yeah,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: in a.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Perfect world you'd be able to do both.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, if they don't take a wide
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: receiver in the first, say three picks, and I think
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: you could write that story, then AJ Brown's coming.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder what you They took a third
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: round pick on Kyle Williams last year and another mid
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: round draft pick at that position on a guy that
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: just you know, has you know, Kyle Williams obviously has
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: really good speed, really good release ability, like that's a
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: trade of his, but he's not somebody that had a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: well rounded skill set that was going to go higher
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: up in the draft. That's what you're going to find
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in that range of the draft is guys that have
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: one really high end trade that you're hoping can kind
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of build.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: A truly instead of tools.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, and you know, like you're gonna get like
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: your Stribblings, your Bryce Lances, like guys that can get
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: down the field Ted Hurst, maybe, which is exciting, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like redundant to me, like to what
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: they already have. Like how many more times are you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: kind of gonna just throw like a dart at somebody
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: in the third round and expect that guy to turn
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: into you know, your guy? Like that just doesn't really
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: happen very often anymore, maybe like it did once upon
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a time, but now that the receiver position has been
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: pushed up the board so much, it feels like you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: have to kind of draft that guy early in order
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: for him to really turn out to be I know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: everybody always goes back to the twenty nineteen draft and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: is like, well, they got Terry McLaurin, And it's like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening around the league very
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: often anymore, because I think teams realize now how important
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that position is, and so the Terry mclaurins are just
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: not not lasting.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to lose the plot with this team.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: That's why it's I felt coming into the offseason that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they were so obvious and they made some signings in
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: free agency, a lot of one for one so that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the holes aren't necessarily apparent, nose tackle maybe being one.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Another position we haven't even talked about. That really one
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of the only spots they didn't one for one and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that's another spot. Where are we day?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Day three? Are you gonna get? I mean, I know
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the big guys like sometimes they last that long, but
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I just find myself regrouping, like what is this team's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: biggest need right now? Like what is going to hold
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: this team back? And how can you solve that problem
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: or attempt to solve that problem in the draft if
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: if you even can.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I still think it's.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Probably passing game offensively, whether it's offensive line or receiver.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But with the offensive line, I think that you're hoping
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: for internal growth, and I don't know what the other
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: path is, Like I think you're just hoping that Campbell
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: gets bigger and stronger and better. Jared Wilson moving to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: center helps, Verk Tucker going in at guard helps, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you're just kind of hoping that all of those moves
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: kind of add up to a better product, you know,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and it push comes to shove when the competition gets
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: ramped up at edge. I think that there's what they
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: think of Harold Landry's status, I think is the most
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: interesting thing there. You know. I think they kind of,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you know, in my opinion, they sort of know what
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Elijah Ponder is, you know. I think he's probably a
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: third pass rusher, play on third down, play in special teams.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: If you're expecting an undrafted rookie to be more than that,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I think you're asking a lot. If they feel like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: they can get a full season out of Harold Landry,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: that that is very different than them thinking I don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: know if that kneed's going to bounce back, right, We
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: don't know if Harold Landry is going to be healthy.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: We don't know if he's going to be the Harold
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Landry that he was at the beginning of last season. Like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: we don't know if that player is still in there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: If they think that they have doubts about Harold Landry
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and his status, then I think you you almost have
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to take an edge early because that player might need
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to start, you know, and you're just like looking at it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's probably the biggest starting hole if Landry's not ready
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: I think your question is an interesting one because I
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: really think when you said, you know what, what's the
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: biggest hole?
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: What might hold them back?
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: And I think if you look at everything right now
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: on paper, it's very similar to what you went into
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: the season with last year.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: You know, there's different names in different spots. You know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: guys have.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Come and gone, and I don't think there is like
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: an enormous hole really anywhere.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I think Evan's right.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: I think edge is probably the biggest one in terms
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: of starter. I worry more about the passing offense. Just
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: the way he said the question is it worked out
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: last year? You know, sort of having these kinds of holes,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: and everybody said what was I think all three of us,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: to you know, individually, all said what to the to
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: the following question, what is the biggest concern?
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Depth never really materialized?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the the healthiest team in the league.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Because you know, a they had some guy that quite
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: frankly played a little bit better in depth roles than
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: maybe we thought Christian Ellis, Jack Gibbons, some guys like that,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: you know, even a guy like Charles Woods I think
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: contributed at times.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Getting all Morgan Moses all games played, you.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: Know, but they didn't really have that depth tested that much.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: That's probably unrealistic, you know. So you ask, you know, what,
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: what hole, what what could hold them back? What could
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: be their demise? And I would say that is probably it. Yeah,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: and I still think the roster lacks depth.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Especially on the offensive line where they signed James Hudson,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: who you know has been a swing tackle in the league,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: but he's right now your third guy up. And then
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you know Ben Brown has filled in at those spots,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: so I mean you do have an interior backup, but
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you know that those are really the two guys. I mean,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Kate Wallace couldn't really even make it into a game
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: last year. And then I you know, still have needs
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: at right guard behind Michael when you for next year
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and his his contracts up as a potential replacement, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then you know the Morgan Moses of it all. But
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know, to Evan's point, you're Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses injury away from you know, at this point,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: really scrambling, and I don't even know how much a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: rookie third round pick, right you know, is going to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: make you feel all that much better at both spots.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: In the interior, I think you could get away from
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: them starting a rookie there, or Ben Brown goes in
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and the rookie is now backing up instead of that,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: you know that sort of thing. But tackle right now
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: is a little bit scary. And that's why we talk
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: about tackle at thirty one is because drafting Iana Troy
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: there isn't just about the future. It could if somebody
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: gets hurt, it could be now, and it could be
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: now quickly, and you know, he would probably have a
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: very very inside track or him or Miller whoever to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: being the top swing tackle. And if either one of
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: those guys gets hurt, and it's gonna probably be the
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: rookie that gets the call if you wait on it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I do think that you're looking more towards
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the developmental side of things, and you know, drafting guys
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: like markl. Bell or you know, crown Over or Bowery
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: or any of those guys, I think you're talking about
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: their ceiling being swing tackle, not just you know that
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: they are not ready, but also I'm not really sure
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I feel comfortable saying that they're going to be starters
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in the league, like they probably are destined to be
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: like third tackles. There's nothing wrong with that. But if
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: somebody goes down, you know, for a considerable amount of time,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: and you lose somebody for the season, Now you're asking
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: a rookie that you kind of projected to be a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: third tackle anyways. Now he's got to start ten games,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: you know, or start in the playoffs or something like that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: It's a lot to ask for. So that's why tackle
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: at thirty one makes a lot of sense. I think guard,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: especially when you start to bake in all of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: tackles that are going to be guards because they have
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: short arms that are going inside from college, like in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the middle rounds, Like it gets beefy there.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: And they made a little bit, I mean, maybe not
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: you know, a huge investment per se, but they made
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: a commitment to Ben Brown, so they he's pretty good
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: about him backing up any of those three spots. Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: so I don't I'm not as worried about that. Now
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: if they were to say goodbye to Michael Winnu, which
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: I still think could be on the table, then that
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: will be a different story than depth everywhere is a
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: concern but right now, I'm with you guys. You know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: the tackle. James Hudson is an NFL player, and I
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: think he could replicate, you know, close to what Vederian
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Low gave him. But if something were to you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: you lost Will Campbell for four games, what happens if
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: you you know, you're losing four games into the season,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: and now we've got to go to the balance. And
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: you know, we saw, like I thought Badarian Low played
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: really well, but you saw it kind of you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: I think by the end of those four games, he
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: was kind of holding on a little bit. Yeah, you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: so I don't know if James Hudson would make you
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: feel any better than you did with Vederian Love.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Now, you can't fix everything, and that's what I mean,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and you have to prioritize, and that's why I guess
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I mean, Paul, You've always kind of
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: said it, like after on day three, you're not really
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: gonna expect anything.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: Out of these guys special surprise.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe in the interior off offensive line, you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you get a surprise maybe that that seems like a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: spot a position where sometimes you get those guys.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like taking Tom Brady out of it, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: like even like Julian Edelman to an extent too, like
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: on when it was is the best case scenario. I
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: think on day three, like a starting caliber guard in
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the sixth round is tough to do. But I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: he got drafted there because of his weight, Like I
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: don't think he got drafted there because of the tape.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I think teams were afraid of his weight and of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: his movement. But Kishawan, Boodie, Pop Douglas, like those guys
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: were six round picks for different reasons. Like that's kind
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: of what you're hoping to get. You're not now. I
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: think inside the top one fifty you can you can hit,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: like Craig Woodson looks like he might be a hit
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: as a fourth round pick. You know, I at different positions, guards,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: tight ends, you know, tight end usually you bet on
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: somebody that's big, tall and fast, and like you hope
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: that it works out, and a lot of times it does.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you get George Kittle out of that,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Travis Kelce, you know, like those types of players. So
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: that those are the positions that if there is going
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to be guys that fall through the cracks, it's usually
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: into your offensive linemen, tight ends that are just toolsy,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you know, raw athletes that develop in the NFL like
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: That's why I'm always looking at guys in that area
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: that you know, Belichick used to say, like third rounders
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: are like first rounders, but they have something on the
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: draft card that prevented them from going in the first round,
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: whether it be an injury, whether it be an off
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: field concern. He always used to say, third rounders had
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: first round talent, but there's a reason that no one
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: wanted him in the first round. And I'm always sort
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: of looking at guys like that in those middle rounds.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: The Day three guys. Kayshan Boody is an example of it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: You know, he was, you know, he was the big,
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: the big thing when he was a freshman, and all
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, a couple years later, he wasn't the
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: big thing anymore.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: You know, he had fallen out of favor.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that that's like, well, you got
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson in the sixth round with Kayshan Boody, but
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: you've got to know a serviceable NFL player who is
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: a solid member of your wide receiver core in the
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: sixth round. Those I gravitate to those guys. Why why
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: is that guy available still? And then you know, in turn,
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: you have to have good in depth scouting and conversations
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: about whatever the reason is that that guy is still available.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Is that worth overlooking or is that too big of
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: a risk to overlook? You know, I'm always fascinated by
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: those guys, especially skill guys.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple that immediately come to mind, you know,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: different parts of the draft, but in that third fourth
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: round range, like Harold Perkins to me is just super intriguing.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: He's a really good player.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he is. Is he a linebacker,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: is he a safety?
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Is he a nickel? I don't know, but he's a
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: hell of an athletic. Boy, Mike, he already loves him,
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: he was talking to. I Mean, it's a sweet It's easy.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: To see why he's two hundred and twenty five pounds,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: he's running a four to three. Like that's if you
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: get him with the right coaching staff and the right
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: system defensively, that can sort of figure him out. Then
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: like you could be a hell of a player. You know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: early on in his career at LSU, they tried him
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: as a pass rusher. He was a little too undersized
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: for that. Then they tried to move him to this
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: star role that they have there, you know, in the
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: slot and kind of you know, box safety, slot defender
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: type of role that seems to be like what his
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: future is, you know, and I think that he's just
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: got tremendous upside. The guy that I was thinking, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: in the pass rush later on is George Gumms junior
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: from Florida, who started played three different positions at Florida.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: They couldn't figure him out either. He played a little
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: tight end, he played a little bit off ball, a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: little bit on the ball. But he's got you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: those explosive movements of a pass rusher that should be
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: able to get after the quarterback. He was just late
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to it. He tore his meniscus at one point, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: it just his career has never materialized at Florida. But
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: if you get your hands on him now and develop
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: him now from where he is as an out rush
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: linebacker type, like he's got great athleticism, great tools. You know,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: those are the types of guys that on Day three
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I'm all for, you know, especially I know it's easy.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: But like from those big programs, like you're talking like
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: LSU Florida. You know, Perkins was the next guy like
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: he was supposed to be the next star defensive player.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I think he wore number seven like he was supposed
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to be a big deal at LSU. You know, those
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: guys are five star recruits and blue chip talents. They
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: just their careers like Kaishawan Booty, it just didn't go
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: great for whatever it puts you.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: Know, it puts some pressure on you. But if you
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: can find out and get comfortable with the reasons, I
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: think there's some value there for Yeah, those guys.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know anything about those guys off
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the field. You mentioned the beast. I'm sure we'll get
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that and figure it out, you know, but you know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: those guys are were more about positions injuries like just
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of just didn't really figure out their
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: home in the defense quick enough for them to sort
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: of develop their you know, the technical aspects and the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: nuance of those positions. So you know, you hope that
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: now that you say, hey, we're going to draft you,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: George Gumbs, and you're going to play you know, linebacker,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: outside linebacker, you're gonna rush the passer and then you
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: hope that that allows him to focus in on one
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: spot and develop.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that's my question is do you think that this
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: defense that Vrabel Terrell Williams is that core running has
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that kind of flexibility to maybe blur the line between
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about they need they have long term
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: need at linebacker, they have long term need it at safety.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Some of those guys. I mean, in the past with Bill,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you knew that those positions very specific types, right, yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and now with this system, how did would you see
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a guy like him fitting it?
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Is there that flexibility within this system? Yeah, to take
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: a chance on a smaller linebacker or a bigger safety.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I think Perkins in this system would be a week
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: side linebacker like in Christian Ellis's spot, and you know
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: that would be a guy that can cover, can go
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: sideline to sideline, maybe blitz a little bit. You know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: he has that pass rush background, and they used to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: they'd put him in these like blitz spots at LSU
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: or like he's he was in like a staggered stance
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and you knew he was blitzing. It was kind of bizarre,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Like there was no disguising it whatsoever. And so now
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: you get into an NFL defense and you know, you think, okay,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: we'll drop guys out and we'll rush him, and we'll
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, dress it up a little bit
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: for him and maybe give him some clear runways to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. You know, that type of thing I think
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: is where he would fit in. And I think he'd
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: fit in great. But he's not, in my opinion, like
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a green dot kind of guy. Like he's not going
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to be a Mike linebacker that's going to be Robert
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Splaine and run the whole defense and do that sort
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: of thing. He's you're, you know, you know, off the line,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: weak side playmaking linebacker that's going to make splash plays
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: while a guy like Splaine is doing the dirty work
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and cleaning up the trash. So that's not you need
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: both Like it's not a bad thing, but that's how
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I would view him.
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: At safety, I think that they they want guys that
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: can cover yea like they want, you know, guys that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: can cover the back end, that have a lot of
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: range and have a you know, could uh you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: burst to the football like that sort of thing. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: don't think that they're looking for Kyle Duggar. Yeah, they're
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: they're looking for guys that can play on the back end.
• 45:05
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• 45:37
  Speaker 1: of the studio where Paul gives his preseason insights which
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: we will be back this year, Paul, Right, we'll get
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you know. You know you're not going on any trips
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: this year, right, I know there's no need to call him.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen the schedule. I think I think I'll
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: be all right. I think I'll be all right.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Hopefully no prime national right.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Right, it's get three. Thank you for thanking me. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: appreciate it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Well, we were talking.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Thinking of myself. I don't want any primetime preseason games.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Those are the worst.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Well we had someone mentioned a wide receivers, so you
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: know what that means. Eldra calling in. What's up? Elder?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Where are you budd afellas?
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: How y'all doing now? Like I like I told, I
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: think that Crystal is in the back background back there,
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: alex one, I'm at home. I've been home for a while.
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: I had a little health scare, all right.
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: So I'm going go stir crazy for being at home,
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: that's for sure, you know, But all right, I'm doing fine.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: Hey, it's a it's a couple of rumors that we're
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: hearing in North Carolina and some of those past fans.
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: So we wonder in about the rumor that we heard
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: is they're not really trying to sign guns so yet
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: that they might be in talks, but they are furious
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: trading for for AJ and letting Gunzo go trade Gunzo
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: because if AJ comes, he's going to demand another contract
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: at twenty nine, going to be thirty, And we don't
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: think that's a damn I'll run keep Gunzo. You know
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: what do y'all think. Have y'all heard anything like that?
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: But if what we're hearing down.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Here, I don't know, Yeah, this is you know.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: I think Greg Bernard has sort of floated out the
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: succession theory of if aj Brown comes, they may want
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: to put off Gonzales for a year. I think they
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: still you know, Greg, I think still thinks that the
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: team strongly believes in Gonzales and wants to keep him
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: long term. But his theory that he's floated, I'm not
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: necessarily saying I adhere to it, but this is what
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: he was basically saying is if Brown comes for thirty million,
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: it's going to be hard for them to then hand
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: over something in the neighborhood of thirty million annually to Gonzales.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: So they want to wait another year, which they could
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: just because guys like Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley have
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: re upped that cornerback after their third year doesn't mean
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: that everybody has to do that. So that would push
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: everybody back a year.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Now. The problem with that theory.
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: Might be the happy Well that's one problem with it,
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: but I think there's a bigger problem with the theory,
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: because does it then push back Drake. You know, so
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Greg was sort of theorizing that it would be Brown,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: then Gonzales, and then May again fourth year for Gonzales.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: It would be the fourth year for May instead of
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: the third year, where that way you could first start
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: doing that. I think that's a really dangerous game to
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: play for the reason that Mike just said. Number one,
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: it's you run the risk of alienating your best defensive
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: player and you're not really going to play this Russian
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Roulette game with your quarterback.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I don't think they will.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: I think that you know, there have been times over
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: the years that we've been a little critical of the
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Patriots and their ability to re up these guys. And
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: I remember, I'm old enough to remember, as the kids
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: like to say, when it was Chandler, Jones, Dante, high Tower,
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: and Jamie Collins all coming up at the same time,
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: and to a leisure extent, Malcolm Butler and everybody's like, oh,
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: they'll resign those guys. And they ended up like they
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: basically held onto high Tower.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, that was it, and even let him, like the Steelers.
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: Right, they let him go out and look and I
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: think he failed a physical and that's why he ended
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: up staying here.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: But I just think this is different.
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: I think when you're dealing with Drake May in a
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: franchise quarterback, I don't think you can do that. So
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: I think at some point Gonzalis will get done this offseason.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: In addition to the the A J. Brown, because I
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: do think AJ Brown, I think Eldrid's right. Some of
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: the reports out of Philadelphia have indicated that Brown's going
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: to be looking for a new deal, you know, but exactly,
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: I think you can get by with Brown because it's
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: a short term thing.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: It's only a couple of years. So I have faith.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: Maybe I'm foolish to have that faith, but that's what
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: the read I think that Elder is probably referring to
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: is Greg Bnard has everybody pushed back a year, which
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: I do not like that that theory at all.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you think about the timing right now
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: with Gonzalez? Is this?
• 50:10
  Speaker 11: Uh?
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Or we in the window where a little impatient with
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Gonzales right now, like they're not there isn't really a
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: deadline for them to do this.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: No happened in the summer, right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And so I understand that everybody kind of wants is
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: obviously we all want to keep the player, and everybody
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: wants this to get done so that I would love
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: for it to get done so we get stopped talking
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: about it and getting asked about it. But like, I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: don't don't like confuse inactivity on the negotiation with them
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: not wanting to sign him long term because there's no
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: he's under contract, so there's no like rush to get
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: him an extension. He's under contract. The extension is not
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: even going to kick in until twenty twenty seven anyways,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: because he's going to play on the last year of
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: his rookie deal and then it will be extended on
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: top of that. Like, I just think that there's a
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: lot of time still that they have, you know, Sauce
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Gardner and those guys. I don't know about Stinglely, but
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: like a lot of those guys signed their contracts in
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: like August.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: N These things happened in the summer.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely rolls back around and everybody gets back in the
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: building and that sort of thing, and they get it
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: across the finish line and they signed the contract. I
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: understand it's hanging over the Patriots right now. But it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I'm in no like, I'm not sweating it at all.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Like I don't think that we're there in any rush,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: norse should they be to like we need to do
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: this today, Like I don't think it's like that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Well, just along those lines, this is a question I
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: have for you guys next year's free agency group. And
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: this might be a partially and complete list, but I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: would just throw this list out there and ask you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: guys if there's anybody that you would realistically consider trying
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to keep around or maybe giving it an offer to
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Kaishan Boody, Hunter, Henry Tomarrio, Douglas, Mike ol One, You
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: mc hollins, Christian Ellis, Bryce Behringer, some of the deaf guys,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Farms Pettis, Kevin Byern's on one year deal, Jesse Luketta,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: kJ Britt, Corey Durden. I mean, Corey Durden might be
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the most interesting name on that list to me in
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: terms of and I don't know what that says about
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that list, but is there anybody? I mean, I haven't
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: heard any we haven't gotten any calls about extending Kaishan Boody,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you know, And I'd be interested in.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: A lot of those veterans, But based off of what
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: I see this year, you know, like Kevin Byrd's on
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: a one year deal, does he turn in another year
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: like you did last year for Chicago, because I'd be
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: interested in re upping that Hunter Henry kind of the
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: same thing.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: My guess right now, probably going.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: To move on from both of them because I kind
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: of think it's going to go the other way. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: you know, Kaishan Boody, what if Fred's right and Paul,
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: Mike and Evan are all wrong? Right, Yeah, I'd read
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: up that if he's if he's got another gear to
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: get to.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: If you if you think that though, then you need
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: you should do that now because if he goes out
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and hasn't a thousand yard season next year, then he's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: going to be asking for twenty million dollars.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: A year, right, But if he does it, I would
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: want to give it to him. Baby.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I look on On you know, Henry and on Winny,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: like Henry. If they draft the tight end this year
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and Henry comes back with the understanding that that tight
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: end is probably gonna chip away at some of his
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: playing time, but he's still going to have a contract,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He's still gonna have a role, and you know, maybe
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: he's more of his second tight end pass game player
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and the rookie is the one that's doing a lot
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: of the dirty work and heavy lifting. I could be
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: convinced into that that's a good second tight end, you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: when you're in certain packages and stuff like that. On Wenny,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: who I think is a really good player, and if
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: he can keep his weight down and keep himself, you know,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: in shape and all that kind of stuff, I see
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: his type of game aging well because I don't think
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: they you might lose a little bit of foot speed,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: but you're not gonna lose power.
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: That one's the toughest one for me, of because everything
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: you said about him as a player, I would agree with.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: He's in the seventeen to nineteen million dollar range. Yeah
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: right now, it ain't gonna go down. He has another
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: good year, like Evan just talked about, he's gonna want
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: a contract similar or more than that. And I don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: know if I want to pay a guard that much.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: I just like that's just there's just a me thing,
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: like I have these hang ups, like I just don't
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: think the gods are as important as.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: The tackles you got to pick a spot. I mean,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you can't give everybody every position the highest paid. And
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I mean you know for guards, you found him when
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: you were in the sixth round, Like you know that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: it's one spot. And I always go back to the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: poor right guard spot. Like if you had to pick
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: one position on the roster that you have to try
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to fill, like a right guard
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: would probably be it for me. You know, like you
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: can find the right guard. I feel like that to me?
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Does that go? Like?
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I think that that's the that's the fear, the risk
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: that you take with those types of things, though, are like, oh,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: we'll just we'll just draft another one in the fourth
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: or fifth round and it will be fine.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden you draft cold strange
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: and you're not fine, right.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Don't exactly and so like that. That is what happened
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: to the Patriots at the end, is that they thought
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that they were just going to draft him.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: But that was the funny part about it.
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: Bill had this philosophy of and this goes back along
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: in fairness to Bill, it went back a long way
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: and it worked for a long time, and it was
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: I believe it was the year Steve Hutchinson was in
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: the first round. That's how long we're probably going back
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: twenty years. Yeah, And I asked him, you know, kind of,
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: you know, after the press after the the press conference,
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: said you know, this is back when we used to
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: be able to sort of he get the guy in
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: the side a little bit and maybe ask it. And
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: I was like, why is it that this guy is
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: a generational guard and guards don't go in the first round.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: And he just looked at me.
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: He's like, well, and he gave me a lot of
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: billisms and then he goes but a lot of line.
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: Paul is like, you can always find a guard now,
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: and then you know, you fast forward ten years later
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: and we're franchising a guard and we're given a different guard,
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: you know, this multimillion dollar extension. So the two of
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: the five most expensive guys in the roster were Shack
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: Mason and Joe Toney.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right, this is the guy who told me you
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: could always find a guard.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I think the guard position has changed slightly from what
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: it used to be because of how many good interior
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: pass rushers there are in the NFL, and so the
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: defensive tackle position is maybe fizzling out.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Now, this draft is not particularly good, but it has
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: been maybe one of the deepest and best position groups
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: in the league for the last let's call it half decade.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: If you have you know your you know, Aaron Donald's
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: rushing on the other side, Well, somebody's got to block
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald and keep them away from Tom Brady in
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, somebody's got to block you know, all
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: these guys Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, you know, go down
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: the list. So because of that, because of this sort
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: of resurgence or whatever you want to call it of
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: interior pass rushers, now, the really good pass blocking guards
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: have become more important, and so you see that being
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: valued a lot more. You know, guys going in the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: first round of the draft now pretty routinely, Like I
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: think this year there's probably gonna be a couple. You know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: obviously Vega is going to definitely go in the first round,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: but like Besantes might go in the first round. Also,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Pregnant might go in the top forty. So
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I think that that position, not saying that it's it's
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: still analytically probably one of the least valuable positions in football.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: But when you look at it, you need it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: And when you look at it from a coaching angle,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: when you have Byron Murphy and you know those guys
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: in Seattle coming after Drake May in the Super Bowl,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: well you want to have some guards that are capable
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: of blocking those dudes. And it ain't easy.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: It ain't easy.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: We saw that.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Let's jump back to the phone, Zach new Hampshire. Hey, Zach, Zach,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Zach once twice you hear me. Hey, there you are.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: What's up? Zach?
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 57:42
  Speaker 12: I was just wondering if if you saw the clip
• 57:44
  Speaker 12: of Daniel Jeremiah talking about Jordan Tyson, he did not
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: seem very excited about him and his toughness, and I
• 57:52
  Speaker 12: know Rabel doesn't like the soft tissue injury.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 57:57
  Speaker 12: I was just wondering if he fell like pretty crazy
• 58:00
  Speaker 12: on Draft night, do you think the Patriots would pass
• 58:02
  Speaker 12: on a guy of that talent level.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: It's good questions, Zach.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think he'll drop very far either.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: This feels like one of those things we're trying to
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: drum up and maybe just something that a scout came
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: upon during the process. And now that's getting the focus
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: on it right.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: I just like you know, Rabel doesn't like guys with
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: soft tissue injuries. You know who does, John Harbaugh. He
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: loves guys that all the time.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Like this is also the way, and I'm not Maybe
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: there's some truth to it. Certainly there was some undertones
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: with Christian Gonzales last summer that would maybe hint towards it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: But doesn't this all relate back to things that happened
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee where the Tennessee reporters claimed that Rabel was
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: anti soft tissues and hamstrings.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: I believe that that Rabel gets particularly annoyed with soft
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: tissue injuries.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I believe that wholeheartedly. Knowing Mike a little bit. I
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: believe that it could. I believe that all football coaches probably.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: Say you missed how many games with the hamstring? I
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: believe every co that I ever had would be like, like,
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, okay, your toy, your rotator cuff, take the
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: year off. You pulled your hamstring in your off for
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: two months, Like, but it's a serious injury.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: But I think I believe general.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: I believe it could be true. I have not heard
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: any hard reporting or Mike Rabel saying.
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: It's true, so we're just kind of assuming, which I'm
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: I'm I get.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: That's what we do with Jordan Tyson. There's two camps
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: with Jordan Tyson right now. One camp is saying that
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: he played through the hamstring injuries last year and played
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: pretty well and toughed it out for the program. The
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: other is saying that he's charming soft, like there's probably
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but like,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I think, what and this is a part of this
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: season that kind of bugs me a little bit. One
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: is anonymous scout season where like it's just you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and I love McGinn. I think he does a great job,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: and he's the grim reaper. You don't want McGinn calling
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: about a player that you like or you're writing about
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: your player because he's about to find out all the dirt, right,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Bob McGinn does a great job. But the other side
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: of that is is, like, you know, all it takes
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: is some guy to get like rubbed the wrong way
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: with an interaction with Jordan Tyson, or maybe he went
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: to his pro day and Jordan Tyson didn't work out
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: at the pro day and because he slept all the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: way to Arizona State and didn't see Jordan Tyson. Now
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: he's mad about it, And to me, that element of it,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I think is crazy. Like if you are upset because
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: you had to travel, which is your job, to the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: pro day and Jordan Tyson didn't participate, and now you're
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: gonna hold that against him and like leak to the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: media that he's like this bad dude like that to
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: me is not great. So I just take all that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: stuff with a grain of sault. Like, like I said,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: there's you know, Lancerline does a great job with his
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: draft profiles and his draft profile. The blurb from the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: anonymous scouts says that Jordan Tyson played through injuries at
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Arizona State, and then dj and McGinn saying that he
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: lacks toughness and you know there's like that sort of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: issue with him. So which one is it?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: You know, let's see if Danny and Daytona knows. Hey, Danny, Hey,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: how's it going?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: Guys? Good?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Hey, I just wanted to chime in. You guys have
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: some really good points today. One question, what happened to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: fred I didn't get to hear what you guys said.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: It was time time now he's out. He thinks we
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: think he's on vacation. We believe so, yeah, we don't
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: know where. Parts unknown.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: It's a very private man. All of a sudden, it
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: doesn't doesn't let me know what's going on.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Pickleball vacation.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: Just I'm just letting everybody know now because I'm not
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: as pride, but I will not be on Thursday show.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: I have a I have a thing. Oh boy, Thursday.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: See Paul. I appreciate your courtesy. You at least tell them.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: So Yeah, now, you guys, it's a good time to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: call in. You won't have to talk over me, good
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: time to get involved with the show.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: No, I just wanted to give you guys a couple please,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: you guys some good takes, Evan. Your guy Alex and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: his friend had some really good takes. I was listening
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: to the podcast together and did take just think of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: say they brought up. They brought up some good points, Evan. Personally,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: no one is talking well. I've been the only person
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like out of all the Patriot nation that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: has been called and Paul can attest this. I've been
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: calling it all season about the damn. I know, Evan,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: you don't like special teams and all that, but they have.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: I told you, I've been putting Bryce Behringer on on
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: blast all seasons. Witness I called it season yeah, and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: I put I put Behringer on blast the serious contract.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: I don't care whether they draft or use the U
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: d F A. Your guy Alix was talking about that. Evan,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: I would prefer them to use the U d F
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: A versus using one of our picks because we just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: have other needs. But there's some good punchers in this draft,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: in the draft and whatnot, I think they should do
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: that because Berenger shanked And you're to Alex's point of
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: his friend Taylor that was in the podcast. This counter
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: was phenomenal in the super Bowl. It was like a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: video game watching him, and I think, if the Patriots
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: can find a good pinner, I mean, I'm sold on
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: the kicker. In the beginning of the season, I wasn't
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: sold on he didn't seem like he was, but he
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: clicked on towards the season as he went on, so
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sold on him. I'm sold on the long snapper.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: They need to find upon her. And the last thing
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I got for you guys, is I think they need
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: to get a safety. Evan to your point, you're right,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: they don't need to get a corner this year twenty
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, but they need to get a safety if
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Woodson gets hurt. I don't like the death that they
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: got behind it and the guy bired. He's good, but
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: he's older. I don't like the death that they have
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: in the safety group. So I think they need to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: get somebody that can play both safety and corner. That's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: all I have to say, Thanks Danny.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with the punter quickly, like sure, just
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: do it on you like the seventh round, UDFA, Like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I just six four sixth round?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Is that really for you?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: It just what I mean, Like I'm not don't care,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: like I'm not trying to argue about it.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: But oh no, I mean he was all the time.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: And you know, I got an addition for the bad list.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: I mean I wouldn't say every game, but a lot
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: of games.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Can we just just get these people a camp competition
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: at punter.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: I think that should happen absolutely, and get.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Somebody that can return kickoffs so like we can stop.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: We got a long snare in right, this long snapper competition.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Why shouldn't it be.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, even Jake Bailey is still kicking around.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: It's like these guys, like the Patriots move on from them,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: but they continue to like.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: There's only so many people in the world that and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: punt at an NFL.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Which is exactly why I don't care.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: Only somebody will punt for the Patriots next year and
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: it will not make a difference in the season. Yeah,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: much like somebody punted last year and it didn't make
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: a difference in into.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: The superow The only thing with kickoff returner because that
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: gets brought up a lot too. I'm with you guys,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: but that guy has to be able to do something else, right, Like,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not drafting somebody specifically to return kickoffs like they
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: did with Cyrus Jones when they drafted him to return
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: punts and he couldn't even do that. So can we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: just draft somebody that plays running back that has a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: skill set to return kickoffs and put him in in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: drop his name into the hat, right and see what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: comes out?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: You know him. It's another one that I just can't
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: get worked over it. I just can't.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was reading the stats, the other day
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: to Barth because he's you know, telling me how it's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: it's an important play. The difference between the best kickoff
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: return team and the worst kickoff return team was six yards. Like,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: so we're talking about you know, if you're counting.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: On first, you need to get in field goal range yef.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Buffalo always gets like Ray Davis and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: Buffalo always get from the back. In my face, he changed,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: But Ray Davis, he's running as a backup. So make
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: Henderson the kick return full time and and be better
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: at it. It's not just about Henderson. So I saw
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: all these fifty yard touchdown runs that Henderson had last
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: year on offense. Yes, you mean to tell me he
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: doesn't have the ability to run the ball. No, my
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: guess is the kickoff return unit struggled because of the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: kickoff return unit, not because necessarily the guy who was
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: doing the returning.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's been need to be better. There's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: a bunch of running backs, you know. Adam Randall from
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Clemson is the one that always gets the most loved.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: I love when he checks his notes. Yeah, he literally.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Because there's another one that I I can't remember off
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the top of my head. I write it at the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: very very end of their of their blurb is returns kicks,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: like just so that I know that it's in the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: back of my head, you know. Obviously Adam Randall is
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the one that gets all the Quarterill Patterson comparisons and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Oh here's the other one. Him On
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Claiborne from Wake Forest is like fourth round pick at
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: running back, but he can play running back.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: As long as he could play running back. I have
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: no problem right a pick like that, especially with all
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: those Day three picks they have. Yeah, no issues at all.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Just make sure that that's his secondary.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: And I would also submit that I would agree with Alex.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: I think that was an area that they lacked in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: last year. I think they kickoff return gave them very little.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: They had Gibson, they had a couple early.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: With Antonio Gibson, and then it kind of just dried
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: up over the second half of the season.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I think because in some ways, though Paulck, I think
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: that was by choice, because they decided that the sacrifice
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: of putting Trevon Henderson back there on kickoff returns when
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: they lost running back depth wasn't worth the risk it was,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: you know, the risk wasn't worth. It might be right
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: if they had gone the whole season with Gibson and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Travon Henderson returning kickoffs, it probably would have looked like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: it did at the beginning of the year.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they had he had a good one.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: Gibson had a good one in the opener against that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: I think it might have been the very first one.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: I think the Raiders got the ball, went down and scored,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: and they kicked off and I think Gibson took it
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: back to about midfield. Yeah, and then the next week
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: obviously he won the game, right, Yea, but that was
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: kind of it.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: But they were like, if Gibson doesn't get hurt, then
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: they would have just had that all season long.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe, you know, like that's a good point.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I think that they decided at some point that they
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Gibson tore his acl on a kickoff return in Buffalo,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: and they just were like, we don't want any more
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: of our running backs getting hurt on kickoff returns, So
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: no offense. But we're going to put Terrell Jennings and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Dearness Jostin and Eft and Chisholm and like those guys
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: back there.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: And they kind of punted on kickoffs too, Like they
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: kind of I know that's the wrong way to put it.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: They kind of punted on the kickoffs.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: They cover kicks, Grady, I agree with you.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: No, at a certain point, Memember, they were just kicking
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: him in the end zone. I mean, I know some
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: of that was game related. But let's let's grab one
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: more call before we take a break with Randy in Providence. Hey, Randy, Hey,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: how's it going?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 10: Guys? I have to say that I called it up
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: something entirely different, but real quick, I agree with the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: earlier caller and the importance of like a good punter.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think the Super Bowl highlighted it. Like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 10: Michael Dixon was ridiculous in the Super Bowl from the Seahawks.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: Three punts inside the ten, two inside the five, but
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 10: it was he sets up difficult you know, good punter
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: sets up difficult drives, and like, there's definitely a difference
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: in that. But what I wanted to ask is, you know,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 10: there's been obviously a lot of like obsession over a J. Brown,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 10: Brian Thomas Junior, et cetera. A lot of people saying,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 10: you know, like we need a number one wide receiver
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 10: and I just like it surprises me that anybody could
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 10: have watched the last like twenty five years of Patriots
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 10: football and come to the conclusion that, like, the Patriots
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 10: offense absolutely needs a number one wide receiver to function,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 10: Like we were just in the Super Bowl without a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 10: top ten or top fifteen wide receiver. We've won several
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 10: Super Bowls without that, Like in my experience, and I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 10: don't know you guys, if obviously watched as much as
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: I have over the last twenty five years, probably more,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: but in my experience, like this is the system that
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 10: creates number one wide receivers out of guys who weren't
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 10: Welker Edelman guys like that. It's not a system that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: relies upon bringing in like these top talent wide receivers
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 10: to function. And I just don't understand, Like, am my
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: entirely off base. I understand there's evolution in the game
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 10: and all that, but I mean, we've got twenty twenty
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 10: five years of experience of watching teams win with guys
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 10: whose names you didn't know prior to the season.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Reddy, ready, let me ask you this, because obviously what
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: happened in two thousand and three is a different game right, Like,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that's just not.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: What were those are the only three Super Bowls they
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: won without a number one receiver.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: By the way, when who was the last team that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl without a number one guy? And
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I say guy because it could be a tight end.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: So who was the last super Bowl winning team in
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: the NFL that won the Super Bowl this decade? Let's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: call it without having one of those top flight playmakers.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 10: I don't have the top my head. I don't know
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 10: the rosters of the Super Bowl winners, but I just mean,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 10: like I said, like threw out history here, Like Edelman
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 10: was not a top draft.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Pick, but Rob Van he wasn't the number one guy.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Rob Gronkowski was the number one receiver.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: He was not a top draft pick either.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: He's the top of the second round pick than God.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: First of all, why does the number one target have
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: to be a number one draft pick?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: No one's saying that, That's what I'm saying saying. We're
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: just saying that you need.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: To have a lead dog on offense. And I agree
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: with Evan. I think in this day and age, yeah,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: you could go back to two thousand and one and
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: say Troy Brown probably wasn't a prototypical number one receiver.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: That was a that was light years ago. And the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: way the game is played now, virtually every good team
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: has a lead dog. I don't know if it's a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: first round pick or a third round I mean you
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: can make an argument for you don't have to take
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: sure you know, they're not all Jamar Chase and they
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: go in the top five.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Sure, I just yeah, I mean.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: The other thing that's completely missing from this is Tom
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: Brady's not here anymore. So, like you can't just make
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: chicken salad out of you.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Know, chicken scrap, thank you.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: That's why I compare it gets chicken teams recently that
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: don't have the greatest quarterback of all time. Now the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Chiefs might have the second greatest quarterback of all time.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: But semantics like going back and you know, and I've
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: thought about this before, clearly, Like I think the twenty
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: seventeen Eagles are probably the last team that did it
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: without like a true lead dog. Now, they had a
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: good core though, Yeah, Yeah, it was aush On Jeffrey,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: huge first half in that game. Yeah, and Zach Ertz
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: was a really good tight end you know, before Gronk
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: was you know, on his last leg the first time
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: in eighteen. But like, hey, he was still there and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: he was still just and I don't mean like it
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: was a really good call. I don't and I don't
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: mean to for I forget his name Randy all the time.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: It was a really good call, and it was a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: lot to digest. But to me, it's just like the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: punter is important, the number one wide receiver isn't. That's
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: the argument we're trying to make here, And I'm like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I can't get on board with that.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: King.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: There's no such thing as the absolutes. Like, no one
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: is saying you can't win if you don't have a
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: number one receiver. No one's saying that.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, most of the good teams over
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: the last ten years have had a lead dog.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I would say both teams, like the teams representing each
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: conference usually, And make no.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: Mistake, Diggs wasn't a top ten or fifteen receiver in
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: the league last year, but he was their lead dog.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: He's the reason why they got there, right in the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: passing game.
• 1:13:41
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  Speaker 1: it's the Front seven preview. Guys, y'all know me. I
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  Speaker 1: love me some defense Mike.
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  Speaker 4: I know if you ever heard of Mike's defense, I
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  Speaker 4: do you?
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, especially this edge class, Am I wrong? This is
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  Speaker 1: a really strong edge class. It's a big position in
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  Speaker 1: need for the Patriots. So this should be a fun
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  Speaker 1: one because I think really all through these positions, I
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  Speaker 1: think you could see them potentially taking We're talking of course,
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle, defensive end, edge whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 1: Ev and of course off the ball linebacker, and I
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  Speaker 1: think the best place to start is with this stacked
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  Speaker 1: edge class. Patriot's probably not going to have a shot
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  Speaker 1: at some of these top guys. But let's first talk
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  Speaker 1: about David Baileyan and Ruben Bain, who, of course you
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  Speaker 1: watch the National championship, Ruben Bain is a nightmare talk
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  Speaker 1: some short arms. But at the same time, those guys
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  Speaker 1: going to make a big impact, I think right away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Ruby Bain is probably the most powerful
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  Speaker 2: player in this entire draft, just for cinder blockhands. Obviously,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: the bend is something that goes around social media. Look
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: at the shin angles, look at the bend, you know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff is great. But just watching
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  Speaker 2: him a little bit, you know, checking out Ramelo Height,
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  Speaker 2: his running mate, his wing mate there on the other
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  Speaker 2: side of Texas Tech. Both those guys, you know, with
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: David Bailey and Ramelo Height, could really get after the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback too. So I both these schools have bookends, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to talk about a Keem Mezzador here,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure in a second more in the Patriots range.
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  Speaker 2: And he worked, you know, in tandem with with Rubin
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Bain and then David Bailey has height, so some guys
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  Speaker 2: that interest the Patriots. But I think with those two,
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  Speaker 2: you just see both of those guys have extremely good
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  Speaker 2: explosiveness off the football, power in Bain's case, more athleticism,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I would say, in Bailey's case. So it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: good class. It's a good class.
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  Speaker 1: I think the bigger question, Paul, what are we looking
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: for in this group? There's a lot of different options,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: and we talk edge defensive end guys that can stand out,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: guys that are hand down. There's a wide range covered
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  Speaker 1: in this position group.
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  Speaker 6: I'm having a little bit more of a hard time
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  Speaker 6: because of you know, sort of been in that Belichick
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: frame of mind for so long. It's hard because I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: do think Rabel and Zach Korr played the front seven
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: a little bit differently than what I have been accustomed
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  Speaker 6: to me too over the years. So I'm having a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: hard time sort of identifying. It used to be like,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: you know, six or four guys that could run you know,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: a four to six, you know, and they can be
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  Speaker 6: Willia McGinnis types on the edge. Well, you know, as
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  Speaker 6: Ev likes to say, those are kind of planet players.
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  Speaker 6: There's not that many of them. So I think you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: can open up the lens a little bit more because
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  Speaker 6: I think the way that they played last year is
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: a little bit more conducive to different body styles. You know,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: when you look and you're looking at some of these
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: guys and you know, I think baying in Measudor. You know,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: even though they're they're teammates, they're really different and they
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: do a different way. Obviously Mezudor is a little bit
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: older too, So I think that's going to be the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: key for me is trying to find do they want
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: a guy in the first round, and then you sort
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: of identify the guys that are in that area, Chris
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: and try to figure out which ones might fit best
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: I mean we talked about Messidor a little already, but
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 15: I think that's my overall favorite of this Yeah, I've
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 15: really loved in this player. I think age is a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 15: little bit of a factor for him because obviously you
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 15: have your rookie contract going through the first round start
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 15: at four years, so you play four years, you're already
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 15: twenty nine years old. And then you're talking extension. Are
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 15: you talking trade value or are you talking like something
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 15: like that. Yeah, but I think for overall, balanced edge
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 15: rushers kind of what I think the PA the most.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 15: I think he's a really solid, solid piece of that.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 15: But he's got a great movement to get to the quarterback.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 15: He's he's quick, he's i mean, his finesse ability is there.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 15: You know, he's a really positive edge rusher. Again, I
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 15: think experience plays a big factor in that, especially playing
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 15: a power five ball, and Miami went deep in the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 15: playoffs here, so I think that was important.
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  Speaker 2: But that's kind of my.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: Time if I'm just curious with with Mike and you know,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: because Mike is the expert on defense, but I'm also
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: for you just like do you think that like I
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: think in the past Belichick would have maybe sort of
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: eliminated like a pure pass rusher that just rushes the passer. Now,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: I don't necessarily take those guys off the board. What
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: you know, for for for for Vrabel, is he looking
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: for just a good player or a guy who does
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: one thing. If he doesn't set the edge as well,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: you know, like that would be off the board for Bill.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: I think this is the hardest part about this entire
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: draft class at this position is it's pick your favorite
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: ice cream flavor, right, like the vanility, like chocolate.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Do you like cookies in cream? Do you like coffee?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: Do what do you like?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Because they have all the different types in this edgeresher.
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  Speaker 6: Class, you got bigger guys like Zion Young or Keldric
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: falk Or two sixty five plus six six guys, smaller
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: guys like Cassius Howell obviously have great bend and explosiveness
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: and playmaking ability, but they have shorter arms and are
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: a little bit undersized for the position. So I tend
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: to lean with Rabel towards Harold Landry kind of being
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: his prototype.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Right, I think that Harold Andry is the type of
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: guy that he is always you know, obviously has loved,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: has kept with him, you know that sort of thing.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: And Harold Landry's six two fifty two fifty five, it
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: can really rush the passer, first step explosiveness, bend, fluidity
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: as a pass rusher, heady against the run. But that's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: not really I would say, his calling card. And so
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I look at this class in that prism of who
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: are the best Harold Landries of this class, and there's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: plenty of them, But I would just point out you
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: know right off the top, like to me, Cashus Howell
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: is a Harold Landriy clone. I think he rushes the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: pass or the exact same way. I think he plays
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: the run and pass with good instincts and good feel,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: which allows him to kind of play the run at
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: a pretty high level at that size. But most importantly
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: some of the best you know, explosiveness, bend, fluidity, inside
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: out ability to get on the edges of anybody in
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: this class. And I look at him as a player
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: that because of the arm length, he might fall to
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: the Patriots at thirty one, but off the tape he
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: is a top twenty player in this class.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 6: And when you pick at the end of the first round,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: that's kind of what you're hoping to get, yep. Is
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: a guy that slips through the cracks a little bit,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: whether it's injury, whether it's you know measurables, or whatever
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: the case may be, and you end up getting a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: top twenty talent at thirty one because the guy's arms
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: measured an inch too short.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 15: So I agree with Ash how I really like him.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 15: I'm going to kind of go a different angle with uh,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 15: excuse me, Kendrick. I don't know why I just bite
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 15: that had in my head literally a second ago. Kendrick
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 15: Falk run defender. He's a beast against the run. I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 15: think the Patriots lacked that a little bit, especially down
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 15: the stretch. You saw that, especially in the Super Bowl.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 15: You saw it, and I think for the Patriots it's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 15: important for them to again, like I said, I think
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 15: it's a balanced guy. I think you need a guy
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 15: that can do both. And you mentioned the Harold Landry
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 15: komp with cash towel, and I agree with that one.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: But you have the.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 15: Ability to sort of grow Falk as a pass rusher
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 15: as well as he is a run run defender.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, twenty one.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: You know he'll play at twenty one. I actually looked
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: at him as a guy who might get kicked inside.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: As a pass rusher, he's got I think Chris is
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: right about his run stopping ability, but that's I think
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: him is more of maybe a sub rusher inside.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: I think the issue with.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Baul him and Zion Young that I have is that
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: their full time role is probably going to be playing
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: straight up over the tackle and a five technique with
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: their hand in the you know, hand in the dirt.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: The Patriots did not really rush their rushers from the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: five technique a whole lot. Last year they had inside
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: guys like Barmore and Milon Williams, and then they had
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: true outside guys like Kailo and Chase On and Landry
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: and Ponder and Jennings. So those guys, you know, just
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: looking at the next gen of it all are logging
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: snaps at seven and nine technique, which are all the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: way outside the tackle. So big guys, like folk, like young,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: really talented players and like fun players.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 6: To watch, have those long levers and they know how
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: to use them. But at the same time, you know,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: where do they play in a four man front? For
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: Mike Rabel.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Are they interior guys? Are they outside guys? They're kind
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: of in the middle. It's not exactly the same, but
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: I just to use a more tangible comparison, Like it's
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: kind of like how they struggled with Keon White last year,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Like they know this is a talented player, they know
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: they he has something to offer, but we just don't
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: really have a great role for him within the framework
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: of this defense.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about some of the guys though,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: that maybe you know, could bring that on the outside.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I just I mean you mentioned Zion Young. He's a
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: he's a popular mock draft pick, but moving you know
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: past him, our Mason Thomas and Gabe Akis are two
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: guys that to me play like Mike Rabel. I like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: both of those guys really air on fire, aggressive kind
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: of guys.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, Akus is six four, two sixty, so I
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: mean he's still in that range. Maybe not quite the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: length of the other guys, but you know, r Mason
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Thomas is two forty, so he's going to have that.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: And Chris, going back to what you said, you have
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: to kind of pick what you want. I found myself
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: gravitating towards these kind of guys, guys that I know
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: has some juice. We'll find someone to stop the run.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I think this is Paul rubbing off on me, maybe,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: but I really like watching those note.
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  Speaker 6: But but that's why I brought up the whole kindundrum
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: at the beginning, because if you're looking for more well
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: rounded guys, do you think that's what Raybel wants or
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: are we starting.
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  Speaker 4: To get away with that?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: If you have a you know, an elite skill like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think most people would say Chase on
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: last year was kind of yeah, just you know, an
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: edge rusher, you know, and he made place you know,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: against the run too. But I think that you're looking
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: more like an R. Mason Thomas is just a guy
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: who is probably going to be a speed guy off
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: the edge. That's what he that's what he does, and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: he does it pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: I know we dabble here a little bit, but that
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  Speaker 7: That was.
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  Speaker 1: That was and I would say the the edge and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle and linebacker group that we did in that segment,
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  Speaker 1: which I think went about forty five minutes. We probably
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: shouldn't group all those positions together, but uh, but.
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  Speaker 4: A good show.
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  Speaker 1: live on April twenty third, Thursday, the day of the
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  Speaker 1: draft again one to two little live show. See you
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  Speaker 1: maybe get some people in here. You know, we're all
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  Speaker 1: getting ready for day.
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  Speaker 4: Are we doing that?
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  Speaker 1: Thursday the twenty took a little happy hour, a little
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  Speaker 1: happy hour, you know, you dressed down a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It's like oneish two wish it might be lazy.
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  Speaker 4: You won't get I think I'm on ten to two
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  Speaker 4: that day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so you won't get Paul's dazzling insights, but you'll
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  Speaker 1: get Evan in Mine and maybe Matisa Crystal.
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  Speaker 2: This has been, this has been. It's it's been a
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  Speaker 2: stressful draft season for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's condensed.
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  Speaker 2: Because why because we were late to start.
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  Speaker 1: Too many prospects at thirty one.
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  Speaker 2: In I didn't go And this is I realized I
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  Speaker 2: ain't go to the Senior Bowl because so usually, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, the guys I saw at the Senior Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to do as much work on because
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  Speaker 2: I learned all about them at the Senior Bowl. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of covered there, right If they draft one
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  Speaker 2: of those guys didn't go to the Senior Bowl, it
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  Speaker 2: was late to it, and then they're picking thirty one,
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  Speaker 2: which is like in no Man's Land where it's like
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about this before the show started, deuced
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  Speaker 2: like I don't really love I'm trying to like fall
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  Speaker 2: in love with somebody at thirty one and I just
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  Speaker 2: kind of can't, Like I just don't You've been on.
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  Speaker 1: The apps, like the Scouting ape, Like, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not like you know, I'm not swiping left, like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying no to anybody. I'm just not you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have Yeah, Like, obviously I really like Brasle,
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  Speaker 2: but I understand that thirty one is a little rich
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  Speaker 2: to take a guy like that. So, like, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: really in love with anybody at thirty one, and that
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  Speaker 2: is troubling.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever find yourself falling in love with somebody
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  Speaker 1: but it's not for who they are, it's who you
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  Speaker 1: think they could be, like your projection.
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  Speaker 4: Don't try to change him, Mike, I know they never change.
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  Speaker 1: You know, You're like Denzel Boston.
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  Speaker 2: You're like I.
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  Speaker 1: You know I've gotten there before.
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  Speaker 4: I like him, don't I do like him? I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like I don't like him anywhere there as
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  Speaker 4: much as you too. I don't hate him. No, No,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not telling you like Denzel Boston.
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  Speaker 2: Denzel Boston is the type of receiver that I hate.
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  Speaker 2: I just like have to get over that mental hurdle
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  Speaker 2: of he doesn't get open, but he catches everything, Like
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  Speaker 2: I just have to kind of get over this felt like.
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  Speaker 4: He disappeared in some of their bigger games.
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  Speaker 2: That's probab be fair to Uh, you know, I really
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  Speaker 2: like Casius Howell's game, but he's an outlier arm length
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  Speaker 2: guy again, and I just don't really feel like dealing
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  Speaker 2: with that whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Make for a great training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Stop it, stop.
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  Speaker 2: Though that this is what happens. They drink kid, we kid,
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  Speaker 2: they draft somebody, and then everybody becomes an expert on
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  Speaker 2: that player in like twelve hours, right, and so then
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  Speaker 2: on Friday, you know, it's all of his shows and
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  Speaker 2: everything are just going to be They just have a
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  Speaker 2: thing for the short arm guys. I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like it's just going to be all that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: really know if I want to do that. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's no tight end really that I think is going
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  Speaker 2: to be in that. It just I don't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a draft. The reputation for getting into
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  Speaker 2: arguments before they happen.
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  Speaker 1: The reputation precedes itself.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a it's an undue, unfair reputation.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's accurate. You're ready, But he does it worse
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  Speaker 4: than I do.
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  Speaker 6: Like I don't want to draft you know, for a fact,
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  Speaker 6: you don't want to draft a guy specifically because of.
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  Speaker 2: That, because it's not yes, because it's not. They start narratives,
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  Speaker 2: like they start a groundswell of this, and then it
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  Speaker 2: becomes a thing. You know, they do it with every sport,
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  Speaker 2: like they do it all the time with the Bruins.
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  Speaker 2: And now you know, Jeremy Swayman is having this like
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  Speaker 2: vezin a caliber season. But because Felger doesn't like paying
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  Speaker 2: the goalie the goal you know, the goalie sucks, right,
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  Speaker 2: So like it just just all this and.
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  Speaker 6: Fairness to him. He doesn't say he sucks. He just
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  Speaker 6: doesn't think there's a lot of value.
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  Speaker 2: In it, right, But that's not how people take it.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Then then you know we get into the if they
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  Speaker 6: can't understand it, then he's not that deep and then
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  Speaker 6: you know, not really all that deep.
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  Speaker 2: But it was back to football. If they draft Cash's
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  Speaker 2: howl and that once they find out that he has
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  Speaker 2: the shortest arms ever measured for an edge rusher at
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  Speaker 2: the combine, you know that that's the only thing that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to belly.
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  Speaker 1: They might hit him on their big board today with
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  Speaker 1: their throwing darts at the wall. It's that today. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's happening this week. Maybe they get that, they
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  Speaker 1: get them there and then they take the other one.
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  Speaker 4: That crazy, Yeah, because it just.
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  Speaker 1: Comes to the work.
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  Speaker 2: This is the point of the whole process. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I haven't been doing a great job on the
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  Speaker 1: emails here. I've only read one. But let's find some
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  Speaker 1: fun emails here for our final half hour.
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  Speaker 4: Limited to the emails.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, huh, yeah you want to call in too.
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  Speaker 4: No, I meant you're not doing a good job. Limited
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  Speaker 4: to just the emails.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. There's some of the comments that would agree
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  Speaker 1: with you, Paul, try my hardest.
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  Speaker 4: You can make fun of you. That's not right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking there. They're fine. It's all compliments. But I
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  Speaker 1: like this one from Lance and Korea that just said
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  Speaker 1: he does know. This question has been asked before, but
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard it. The Patriots has six Super Bowl wins,
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  Speaker 1: they have six Super Bowl losses. Would you switch them?
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  Speaker 1: Before you decide to switch, think about this. Grogan gets
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring, they beat the undefeated. The Bear's
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  Speaker 1: more undefeated. There, Uh so crreck you there?
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  Speaker 4: But Drew.
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  Speaker 1: But let's gets a ring against the Packers. That would
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  Speaker 1: have been a big one for you, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: I would definitely switch that one.
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  Speaker 1: Drake May gets a super Bowl ring. You know, Brady
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  Speaker 1: beats the Giants twice, the twenty seven team has an
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  Speaker 1: undefeated season.
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  Speaker 4: You know the downside, Brady only has Rady he has none. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Brady has one with Tampa.
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  Speaker 1: Has three super Bowl rings at the Patriots.
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  Speaker 7: Ye.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he just said if you switch the six wins
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  Speaker 4: and six losses.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so he would win. He would have won O, seven, eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and seventeen, right, so he would have had those moms
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  Speaker 1: and they were sorry moron, Yeah, morons. Uh, Belichick only
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  Speaker 1: has three rings. There's no twenty eight to three. Joe
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  Speaker 1: Wantana still consider the goat.
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  Speaker 4: Is considered better than Brady.
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  Speaker 1: It is an interesting thought experiment though. I thought immediately
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  Speaker 1: in ninety six with you, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: That would have been fascinating.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would, you know, that would be the only
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  Speaker 6: that would be the only one that I would Now,
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  Speaker 6: maybe if Drake May's career was over, I might put
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  Speaker 6: him in that same category. But like Drew's career is
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  Speaker 6: over and you know, he never got never got back
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  Speaker 6: to one, you know, as the starter.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny with the Brady ones though, because you really
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  Speaker 1: don't have to do that much to imagine it going
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  Speaker 1: the other way. But with the eighty five one and
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  Speaker 1: the twenty you know, twenty five to one, though, those
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  Speaker 1: are significant changes in the result of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if they had just to touchdown and when they
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  Speaker 2: got the ball back down nineteen to seven and put
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  Speaker 2: some pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Arnold he doesn't do good with that. Uh, keeping the
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  Speaker 1: things going here, I do you.
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  Speaker 4: Believe I got well? Then Brady wouldn't know what were you?
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  Speaker 1: What were you thinking there?
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  Speaker 4: For a second point, I wasn't thinking of the three
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  Speaker 4: losses that Brady had. I was only thinking of the
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  Speaker 4: six wins.
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  Speaker 1: I think Dustin here, though, reflects a lot of how
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Patriots fans feel. I truly believe Bill
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  Speaker 1: Belichick's last few drafts might have given fans PTSD Uh
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  Speaker 1: what could have beens are always tough, But Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 1: is not Bill. That's kind of Fred right. He reads
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  Speaker 1: with that inflection. I believe he recognizes talent and the
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  Speaker 1: need to spend money. It's critical that he's defensive minded,
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  Speaker 1: and he's a different mind, in my opinion, much more
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  Speaker 1: player oriented. Uh, fair enough, but I you know, ultimately
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you got to make the
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  Speaker 1: right picks, right like you just you got to put
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  Speaker 1: your money on the table.
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  Speaker 4: Player oriented than Belichick for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing I like about with Rabel and this isn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily Bill's fault, but I'm a sucker for him going
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  Speaker 2: to the Pro days and working out the guys himself.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it just it just tells me. There's
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  Speaker 2: something that tells me though about it is that, like
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  Speaker 2: the trenches, I really trust him. I trust that he's
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  Speaker 2: going to work these guys out. I trust that he
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  Speaker 2: knows what to look for. I trust that he knows
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  Speaker 2: how to scout the position because he played it and
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  Speaker 2: played the other side of it, and like that's such
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  Speaker 2: a big foundation, especially when you have the quarterback figured out.
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  Speaker 2: That's such a big foundation of winning football is being
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  Speaker 2: good on the offensive and defensive lines. And I have
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good confidence that he's going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to draft and not just draft, but also coach up
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  Speaker 2: that area of the game. Like, I think that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the guys that they had last year outperformed
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  Speaker 2: what we expected, and how much of that was Rabel's
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  Speaker 2: ability to coach them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're right, it's a great sign as
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  Speaker 1: that's you know where I think me and Evan and
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  Speaker 1: I both got to this point where like, just protect Drake,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and if you're able to protect Drake and
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  Speaker 1: you're able to get pass rush, it seems like you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty good foundation. Do you have that confidence?
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't sound like I have a lot of confidence and
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  Speaker 6: would very able put together last year. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 6: the things that really impressed me about Mike, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the first year that he was here and we got
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  Speaker 6: a chance to see him every day, or a couple
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  Speaker 6: of things. Number one, just how detail oriented he was
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  Speaker 6: beyond you know, just the superficial. Yeah, the superficial is
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  Speaker 6: what I was going to say, but that's probably a
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  Speaker 6: better way to put it. And the second thing is
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  Speaker 6: how in tune he is with offense. I was a
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  Speaker 6: little surprised by everybody says he's a defensive mind new coach,
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  Speaker 6: and he is. I would say that that's that's accurate,
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  Speaker 6: but I think he had, you know, a good grasp
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  Speaker 6: on what was going on on offense as well, So
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  Speaker 6: I think he's more more of a well rounded head
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  Speaker 6: coach than I kind of envisioned coming in. I've been
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  Speaker 6: impressed with it. Yeah, I mean I I don't get
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  Speaker 6: as you know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Love it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't get as wrapped up in the physical you
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  Speaker 6: know stuff that he does. You know, Bill used to
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  Speaker 6: go to you know what before Bill retired, you know,
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  Speaker 6: four years before he actually got fired. He used to
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  Speaker 6: go to the Pro Days. He used to go to
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  Speaker 6: the Pro Days a lot. Yeah, but you know, especially
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  Speaker 6: in Alabama running the drills. And no, he didn't lock
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  Speaker 6: up with because he couldn't, because you don't have to.
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  Speaker 2: No, you go out there, you test his core strengths.
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  Speaker 4: Corse strength. He hit the term of course strength one
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  Speaker 4: more time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, his grips is does he have you know, strong hands?
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  Speaker 2: Can he reset his hands? Can he move his body?
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  Speaker 2: Like you're Rabel?
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  Speaker 4: Like, so we're going to be screwed in like five
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  Speaker 4: years when he can't do that anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but like Rabel, you know, could Rabel go out
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  Speaker 2: and play an entire NFL game right now? Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: Could he give him ten snaps? Probably?
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  Speaker 6: So, Like it's not like they're totally like it's not
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  Speaker 6: like Bill Belichick, like there Actually he's in tremendous shape.
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  Speaker 6: They're blocking a guy like, how much longer? I mean
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  Speaker 6: he's fifty, I mean how much longer is it's gonna
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  Speaker 6: be grappling?
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  Speaker 8: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't even see the footage him getting tossed around
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  Speaker 1: by Will Campbell too. I guess he hit the deck
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  Speaker 1: on that one.
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  Speaker 2: So telling you that that stuff catches up, I would
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  Speaker 2: love to go on this is where a tour with
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  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, like as a content pitch.
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  Speaker 4: That a line in his head. It's actually going to
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  Speaker 4: edit himself.
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  Speaker 1: That was, well you already let one fly.
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  Speaker 6: That was pretty good I did when Bill retired four
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  Speaker 6: years before he got fired him.
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing a draft here?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 4: When he's like, where was he the Barbados.
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  Speaker 1: Mapuh? Got a game here from Wes And Well, but first,
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  Speaker 1: I think is a good question. I think Evan, that's
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  Speaker 1: probably for you. Are there any potential draft prospects for
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots that, if taken, would instantly be the best
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  Speaker 1: player we have at that position?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, if taken would instantly be the best player.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm assuming might have to get up above thirty one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming we were rolling out like the obvious guys
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  Speaker 2: like Ruben Bayne or something like that, right, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's tough to say. In their range
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  Speaker 2: of the draft. I think they're probably not in that position.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe if like Jordan Tyson does have a Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 2: esque fall and you know, falls to them at thirty one,
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  Speaker 2: you could say he'd be the best race.
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  Speaker 6: Is there a specific edge rusher that you think could
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  Speaker 6: be better than Harold Landry and Draymond Jones right away?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's that's a stretch.
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  Speaker 12: No.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think Messador and Howell could be
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  Speaker 2: better than those guys in the long run for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And Mezzador maybe me he's like twenty five, so he's
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  Speaker 2: basically already. But you know he started, right, I think
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  Speaker 2: that's true. I lost track.
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  Speaker 4: I think he started at RGI for a few years
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  Speaker 4: and then ended up.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one thing that I'm not an old prospect guy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. That's not usually my thing. It's the one
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  Speaker 2: flag with Mezzador that I have a tough time with.
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  Speaker 2: You're not wrong, but when you're picking with you, when
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  Speaker 2: you're picking thirty one, there's always gonna You know, Howell
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  Speaker 2: has the arms he has the age like there's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be one thing that's probably gonna you're not gonna love
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  Speaker 2: about a guy. An agent would be that for Mesador,
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  Speaker 2: but I think Mezzador has it, would have a say
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  Speaker 2: you'd have a chance.
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  Speaker 1: These ones are kind of questions hard to say, might
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  Speaker 1: get into the scheme nerdery of it. Maybe we can
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  Speaker 1: avoid that, but I'll try. West continues, who of these
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  Speaker 1: past Patriots would you start over what we have for
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six pats roster?
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  Speaker 4: These are really hard to do, but I like I
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  Speaker 4: like the exercises.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Chung versus Craig Woodson. Again very different players, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but Patrick Chung excellent what he did. Craig Woodson still
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  Speaker 1: growing but had a great It's hard for me to
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  Speaker 1: say that that one because Chung would have to play line.
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  Speaker 6: I would say Chung, but if you're gonna give me
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  Speaker 6: Craig Woodson in the super Bowl and like he's ascending
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  Speaker 6: to that level, but I'll stick with Woodson.
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  Speaker 4: I do want to very well in the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: He did and he's definitely a better fit for what
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: they want to do now. But I wonder if the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: next sort of evolution of the defense is to have
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: some more of that nickel big nickel dime stuff, where
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: like a Patrick Chung type player would be perfect for
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: that kind of role. But I don't know if I
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: don't know if they feel that that that's the missing piece,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if they feel like that's their thing.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon LaFell versus kay Sean, butte Jojo LaFell short time,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: not a long time. Nice.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: You feel like Fell was better at his peak, So
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: I probably take definitely.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: Some similarities the problem consistent too.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty fourteen Lafel, I feel like was a little
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: bit better.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I would say that Booty gave you some
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 6: of the big plays, the wild plays more so Booty.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: Would get the edge. But I think consistency, Yeah, LaFell.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Blunt and Dion Lewis or Remandre and Travion, I.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: Would I would take Remonder and Travi too.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: I think no Funch, the Blunt who was great.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: You probably came in that one. I have a soft spot.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: That's my that's my sweet spot is Blunted Lewis.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Lewis, he was another one, like a shooting star in
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: the night sky and like you know, like seven.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Games where he was amazing, burned quickly.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that Houston playoff.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Game, Like I always think the Dallas three different waves
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: right Dallas touchdown he had where seven guys underneath six
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: guy went in two more. First Robert Spelaniac.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: Different players again, different players I would take splain.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely more assignment. Sound that's.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler first, Christian Gonzalez. I don't think debate on that.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: That one's definitely Gonzales, his last one, he says. It's
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: just as Kyle Williams says, of right now a bust
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: or my way jumping the gun here.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: History would tell you that as of right now. Yeah,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: bus is such a strong word.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: It is a very strong word, and people don't ever
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: want to hear it, and they get really mad if
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: you use it.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: History would tell you that he might not work out.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: I'm using.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: I do not dismiss the possibility that he could, you know,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: make the ascension next year. I'm not ruling that out.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: But the question was baf right now? Yeah, like you
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: got very little out of him last year.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: I think the only argument is, like, you know those
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: Steelers teams that like Antonio Brown didn't have the opportunity
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: until some of those other guys started to move on
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: and maybe feel that way that with more opportunity he would.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: But statistically there's not a lot of precedent for a
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: guy when he catched ten passes last year, going.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: From that to yeah, what does it? How many catches?
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Five? Club gotta have five twenty five plus as a rookie.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Those are the guys that go on to have big success.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: What trans are meant to be broken?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm not dismissed.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: The other one, yea DeVante Adams, that's the other one.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: Like if you had told me after the first year
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 6: that Nikkill Harry and I would have said, no, there's
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: nothing there, There's no there there. At least I can
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: see Kyle Williams running and separating a practice. I didn't
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 6: see that from nik Kill Harry. I was out on
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: nik Kill Harry like five practices in. Yeah, and you know,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: got yelled, except that yelled at.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: For it alone.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Remember the training camp where they kept matching him up
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: against Jawan Williams and just both of them weren't good
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: like Nikkil Harry actually like and then you realized that
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: it was because all of his reps were against Jewan.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: I like this one from Boston Cream. Knowing what you know, now,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: would you rather have had the fourth pick last year
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: or this year? For fun, Let's assume that if you switch,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: you get thirty one last year throughout the round. So
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: I did pull up last year. Jehad Campbell went to
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: the Eagles at thirty one, but some picks in that area.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Josh Connery, we talked a lot about him, Josh Simmons
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: at thirty two, Maxwell Hairston by the Bills.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: So I take Josh Simmons and being able to take
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 6: who so you would fourth overall. I would say that
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: fourth overall now when you could take uh francis.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: A lot of options. Yeah, two great tackles. Well, you
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have Campbell, right, No, but you'd have Josh Simmons.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: Oh, if he's great, well I would probably drove somebody
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: else you could that would be in play, right, especially
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: if you think, how do you pronounce me?
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: Is it my Malaga?
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 14: Yeah?
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: If you think he's that good, all of a sudden
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: you got booked in tackles, yeah, I mean he's a
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: good playing to young guys.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: I would say the top of last year's draft was
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit better in the top of this one,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: but it's close. Neither one of the drafts is Neither
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: one of these is the twenty twenty four draft, which
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: was loaded.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: I thought he was going to ask who would you
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 6: if you didn't take Campbell? Who would you have Ted
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: McMillin Bacon. Yeah, I think there were options.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: I mean I would and I'm the biggest Campbell guy,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: like I I you know, I.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: Had dropping, but I would have been off of Tyler
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: Warren too. But that's you know, number four for a
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: tight end. That's that's pretty high. It's a little much.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: Ye here's one from Brett and Lemonster. First. I got
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: to say a little disappointed in both Paul induced on
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: the quicksand question last week. The reason kids who grew
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: up in the sixties, seventies, and or eighties had trauma
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: about quicksand was because almost every show had a quicksand
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: episode their lists Online you can look up of popular
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: shows that had quicksand episodes aimed at our generation. I
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: think we got some of them, Paul, I mean one of.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: The shows because maybe I wasn't Maybe I didn't watch.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Those shows right, like like those like Western shows.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: Those I didn't watch a lot of them.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I was just I was just mad I missed the
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Princess Bride because that was a pretty good one. But
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: football question, assume there are four players all ranked exactly
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: the same, literally four best players available. What position would
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: you pick? Wide, receiver, tackle, edge, or tight end?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: I I think the receiver, tackle, tight end edge edge.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: I would probably lean receiver with edge B like a
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: very close I think that this is the the part
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: of this draft that makes it so hard is that
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what's happening is like you're
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: getting you're drafting at a point of the first round
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: where the talent is leveling off, so like you're not
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: going to be picking there at thirty one, you know
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: where I it's like it's Kenyan Sadik and then it's
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other guys, Like you're gonna be picking
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: at thirty one where there's like a cluster of players
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: that are all kind of the same grade on your
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: board and you just have to kind of decide which
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: position in which player you like a little bit more.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: I think teams, you know, they this is where their
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: advantage really comes into play. You know, they have the medicals,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: they've met with these these kids, they've interviewed these kids,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: like they have all of these different ways to kind
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: of break ties, whereas for people like us, we're just
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, very amateur lead just looking at
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: guys and saying this is how we feel. It's harder
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: to break those ties. But that's I think that's what's
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: exactly what's going to kind of happen. Other than maybe
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: tight end like tackle, edge receiver. I think you could
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: see them having like a cluster of five or six
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: guys that are all kind of the same.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Matt and Devin Uk kind of along lines of what
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: we've been talking about. I just want to put my
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: name on Paul's poll. I do not want to trade
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: a first round pick Banchie Brown. I would give a
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: second and a fourth, but not a first. So Paul
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: will say, so you don't like the player, then I
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: guess not. I don't want to give a first for
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: two years max of an aging knee injured Brown a
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Yes, I would have what I
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: would love to see. Tell me if this is good
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: and realistic trade out of the first trade down a
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: few picks and around thirty five, take Zion Young or similar.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Then trade up from sixty five into the forties and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: select Brazzle Dazzle. You get your young edge player and
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: your ex of the future. What say you?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Is that right?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: You don't like the player and you know so?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: No, I would say that that email is very very
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: accurate to my mindset. Like when people don't want to
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 6: pay what it costs for a player, I generally say
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 6: that you don't really like the player that much.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: Now that doesn't mean that.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: If this guy is worth the first round pick, like
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: until someone gives a first round pick, right, Like I
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: generally say that, you know, like Fred does it all
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 6: the time.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: He goes, I'll give him a second, but not a first.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 6: But then someone else gives him a first, so well,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: the cost of that player was a first, so you
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: didn't really want them. And now those those stupid teams,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: we get back to Hatriots fandom of the last twenty
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: five years, those stupid teams that pay a first round
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: pick for good players, Like they're just being dumb and
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: that's why they lose.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: That's what Fred would fall back on.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 6: But if you can get aj Brown for a second
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 6: round pick, why do you give a first if you
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: can get him for a second.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wonder if that is part of all
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: of this with aj Brown. My guess is if the
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Eagles had an offer they felt good about that, he
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: would have already been traded. Yeah, and I regardless of
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: the June first thing, I totally agree. I think people
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: are fixated on the June first thing far too much.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's a convenient deadline for them now because
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: they didn't get what they wanted, right, So maybe the
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: price isn't going to be a first round pick the
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: trade that he threwout. You know, I'm typically anti hypothetical
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: trades like that because I think it's it's like you how,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: it's very hard to predict things like that, like why
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: is a team trading up? Why are they trading BacT Like,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: it's not Madden, right, we can't just like force trades.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: But that is realistically in the ballpark of something that
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: could happen.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: When you call him brazzle dazzle on the spot, Yeah,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: do you know the candy razzles? You ever have those razzles?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: They kind of start off the.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: Chalky, but they would they would come in, they would
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: deliver in the end.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: I would love to know what they think of Zion Young.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: That's one, you know, he has some off field issues
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: in his past and some stuff, you know, legal troubles
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: in the past, and that's a guy that's either totally
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: their type or not their type at all, and there's
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: like no middle ground of you know that really, So
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: I'd like to know if I need to keep him
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: on the big board or not, because they have a red.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: Flag on Evan's wondering, Yeah, can I take this guy off?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Like twice?
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: It's if you like him, it's a struggle.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: It's probably good the Fred isn't here today, though. There's
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of pushback on Fred's take on a Vinitary.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: This is Paul and the Colony saying Fred's take on
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Vinitary over Gronk is silly. I'm sorry he's not there
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: to defend himself, but that is the same kind of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: dumb thinking that kept Belichick out of the Hall of Fame.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: And and Paul is not the first person to point
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: out perhaps that Fred has a double standard for Bill
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: being kept out of the Hall of Fame and how
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: ridiculous that is. But then going ahead and stumping for
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: vin Terry the last thing he asked, is there any
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: update on Polk's health? Do you think he would be
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: kidding for a job this summer maybe with the Saints.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Paul he was traded last year. Was he released? Did
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: they release?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 14: Yeah?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no Jalen Polk. No chance for Paul to
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: kick me around on him anymore. I thought he had
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: a good camp.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: I find it amazing, like Jalen Polk may as well
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: have been a Patriot five years.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: It feels he was in training camp last year.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now he was Hurtle, wasn't he all?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 6: Like he was on I think to open camp and
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: he came back and he caught a touchdown and all
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: of you told me how wrong I was.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: That was one of those guys.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: And I did the same thing with Taekwon, and I
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: kicked myself for it every time. But I didn't really
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: like them in the draft, and if you remember, my
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: reaction on the draft show was kind of subdued when
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: they picked up.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 6: I remember, and then you did the friend but it's
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 6: not just back the next day and you were like,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: isn't this great?
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: It's just funn of you.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: I've been there a thousands It's not just the fandom
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: side of it, though it's also like, well, I'm not
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: actually a scout, so like, you know, like if they
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: if they think that this guy can play, then they
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: have a lot more information and knowledge than I do
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: about this. So they probably could be right and I
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: could be wrong. So you like don't have the conviction,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: you know, like the same thing happened with to kill Harry.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, I'm not going to tell Bill Belichick.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: I really didn't like to kill Harry.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: But I remember being on this show and I'm sure
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: people could find clips and throw them in my face
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 6: and say, you know, it's a big, strong guy on
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 6: the outside contested catch. I didn't like them, but you
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 6: sort of talk yourself into them. And part of it, frankly, is,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: you know, we just paid, and you know we don't
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: want to sit here and trash the players the team
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: just took. Now if they don't perform, we're going to
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: tell you they're not performing. Yeah, but I didn't like
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: either one of those and the other receiver you know
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 6: this is going back always was Aaron Dobson.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: I just was not on board similar and couldn't get open.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I feel like that that you know,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: Polk was a guy that I was like, I don't know,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: and then I was, you know, talked myself into it,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: and then he had.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: A I thought I was with Dues.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: I thought he had a solid I liked training camp.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: I will say there were some I liked sometimes where
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: Thornton in training camp and he did this two different training.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: Because you can't touch him.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: Now I didn't fall in love with the player in
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 6: training camp, but I did think that he showed some
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: signs of making some plays down the field. And I
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: don't know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's something there.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: And you know, I remember last summer there was a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: ground swell out of Kansas City about how great Taekwon
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: looked in training camp, and I was like, oh, it's
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: training camp Taekwon. It's five football. Like he's a guy
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: that runs a four two on.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: The niche that he he can be in and you know,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: with with Mahomes' ability, but you know, and maybe he
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: would have done this with Drake may too, But Mahomes'
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: ability to go out and like make a make a
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: play out of nothing and throw the ball at country mile. Yeah,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: twenty times a year, he's going to catch one like
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: I don't think. I don't know what he ended up
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: with numbers, but I can't imagine he had any volume.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't anything crazy, but it was much better than
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: what it all.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: Big places right and then and like you see them
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: because you know they're long catches and touchdowns and stuff.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: But he couldn't have had more than thirty catches. I
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: wouldn't know when did.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: They how did they get rid of him? Did they
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: cut him at cutdowns?
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  Speaker 4: Or was did he make it to the end?
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  Speaker 1: I'm forgetting exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the team for a little while,
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  Speaker 2: then he was unhappy and then he was bouncing around.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it's like him and who was uh born?
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  Speaker 6: I think ended up going right at the around the
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  Speaker 6: time of final cuts.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's been interesting to me to kind of watch
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  Speaker 1: and Mapoo's the latest example is, you know how it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of systematically slowly moved the old regime guys out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, consistently. You know, it wasn't right out of
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  Speaker 1: the shoot just everybody's gone. But you know, even this offseason,
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  Speaker 1: you've seen them.
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  Speaker 4: Move on from a couple of pretty fast.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I may, I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: I have nothing to compare it to.
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  Speaker 6: Me Bentley Andrews. I mean there were guys that went
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  Speaker 6: right away. Yeah, and it's kind of continued, yeah even today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it a little bit, and I
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  Speaker 2: think what I like about it is that they had
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  Speaker 2: their convictions about these players. We kind of knew about
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  Speaker 2: it last summer to buy Anthony Jennings, that they they
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  Speaker 2: didn't these weren't really their types of players, and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't let the success they had last season like deter
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  Speaker 2: their plan, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I think nineteen catches yeah, yeah, I'm on TDS.
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  Speaker 1: He had a couple of three.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he averaged twenty three yards to catch one, nineteen
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  Speaker 6: for four thirty eight.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember like all of them. It's just all
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  Speaker 1: my homes, like roll out, nobody's open time, come on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean seeing that though, That's why I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to remember back because given his skill set and his side,
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  Speaker 1: like I just like, there wasn't anything there with Drake,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm misremembering, but like on paper at least with
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  Speaker 1: what because last summer we weren't thinking of Drake as
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  Speaker 1: like an MVP candidate. You know, you're thinking, well, he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna find his way. But you know, when you look
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  Speaker 1: at that receiving core, he really had a you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a unique sense a set of skills.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the part about Taekwon that was just killers.
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  Speaker 2: He was just way over drafted. Like if they had
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  Speaker 2: drafted Taekwon like early on day three, he got it
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  Speaker 2: because he ran the four two eighty, just got drafted too,
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  Speaker 2: three rounds ahead of where he was supposed to go.
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  Speaker 2: And that draft, that's, in my opinion, is sort of
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  Speaker 2: the takeaway from that twenty twenty two draft is everybody
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  Speaker 2: got drafted two or three rounds ahead of where they
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  Speaker 2: should have gone. And so it wasn't that the players
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  Speaker 2: were necessarily bad scouts. They just they should have drafted
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  Speaker 2: cool Strange in the third round instead of in the
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  Speaker 2: first round. And they should have drafted Taekwon early on
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  Speaker 2: day three instead of the second round. And if they
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  Speaker 2: had done that and they had actually drafted you know,
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  Speaker 2: good players in the first and second round instead, then
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  Speaker 2: that whole draft, like if Cole Strange was like a
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  Speaker 2: third or fourth round pick, and none of us think
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  Speaker 2: of it as like this monumental.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, bus it's just such a mess.
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  Speaker 1: What a mess like that? Just then you realize you're
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  Speaker 1: in kind of this cycle where you can't break out
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  Speaker 1: of it, and now you're reaching for needs and this
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  Speaker 1: guy didn't work out. And the other part of it
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  Speaker 1: was just nobody really developed over those last few seasons.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't really see the guys.
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  Speaker 6: That's the part that I don't think gets anywhere near
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  Speaker 6: the amount of attention it should.
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  Speaker 4: The development part. You know, we'll see if it changes now,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Mike.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I evn't made the point about how you know,
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  Speaker 6: these guys played really well, better than a lot of
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  Speaker 6: cases last year, better than expected. I put that on
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  Speaker 6: the development. Yeah, that's not just because the guys are
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  Speaker 6: better players than we thought they were. That's because the
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  Speaker 6: coaches are getting something out of them. The other thing
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  Speaker 6: that I will never forget with the Thornton pick is
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  Speaker 6: the three receivers that went right after him, and two
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  Speaker 6: of those three guys hit Pierce Pickings and Piers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So like you know, sky Moore is the only one
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  Speaker 6: that really didn't turn into anything, you know, substantial.
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  Speaker 4: That's always going to.
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  Speaker 6: Be there when you pick a guy conky, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and it's and it's a direct comparison at the same position,
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  Speaker 6: and those guys are you know productive.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's tough to overcome.
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  Speaker 1: It just goes back like these guys don't even know
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Like not to say they don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing, but like the hit rate in the
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: NFL for the actual scouts that have all the information,
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  Speaker 1: have all of the uh, you know, what their coaches
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  Speaker 1: want and need for their and even still full time
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: jobs doing nothing. But this year round people who watch
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: them in person, and they still have misses.
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  Speaker 2: Like this human beings, right, like you can't you don't
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on between the years. You don't know
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: what the you know, all those different types of things.
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  Speaker 2: But I think in that era, you know, Paul made
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: the joke about Bill retiring four years before he actually
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: retired or was fired, and it was a little bit snarky,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: but at the same time, like I don't know if
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: the coaching staff was putting as much into player development
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  Speaker 2: then as it was at different points of the dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: Then you get the Drod Mayo year, which is no offense,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: a waste kind of for a lot of player development,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: and now you have a third coaching staff, so like
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys have been on three different
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: coaching staffs in a period of three or four years,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: and it's different systems, it's different languages, it's different expectations,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: it's different techniques like and so that revolving door starts
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: to affect player development. So hopefully now that they have
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Mike Vrabel here for a long period of
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: time and McDaniels is coming back, and Zach Kor is
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: coming back, you're just you're gonna be plugging in play
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  Speaker 2: and you know you're going to be developing guys again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Paul said Craig Woodson. I mean, it's just such
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: a great example of a player who played a lot,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe wasn't really standing out much. I mean,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: he's out there, but then at the end you started
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: to make him. He start to see him make plays,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: and you haven't seen that in recent And I would.
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  Speaker 6: Say, like there was probably good half of the season.
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  Speaker 6: I would be like, yeah, Craig Woodson starts every game,
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  Speaker 6: but he's a guy. He's a guy who starts. He's
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 6: not a starter. That wasn't my opinion of him. As
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 6: the season progressed and into the playoffs, I you know
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: he was showing up more and more, and I thought
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 6: in the postseason he was one of the better defensive players.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Agre sure. Well, one last question, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I can answer in less than a minute,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: but Mike, do you have any stories about roughing youth
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: hockey games? Any rowdy parents or kids or coaches?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I might save those for Thursday. When I blew, I
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: blew a goal call. I blew a goal call, and
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: I thought this team from New York was gonna like
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: call from my head. It was a terrible call. There'll
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: be a tease for Thursday, though, so we'll get back
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  Speaker 1: to you on that one then. So I think we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up, guys. Yeah, thank everybody for tuning in.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna record the final segment for that after this.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna taking a look at the offensive line,
• 2:00:38
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• 2:00:41
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• 2:00:43
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