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Flock & Ring Are Big Brother on Steroids… and It's Far Worse Than You Thought | America Hijacked EP3 · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: During the Super Bowl a few months ago, millions of Americans were sitting with their families watching commercials, and one of them was for Ring, the doorbell camera owned by Amazon. It was a cute ad, really emotional, actually. A lost dog, a neighborhood coming together to find it, people looking out for each other. That's a story they showed you. But here's a story they didn't show you.
• 0:42
  Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Hulghouse. So Ring has tens of millions of devices mounted on American homes right now. And right around the same time as that Super Bowl ad, they quietly rolled out two new AI features. The first was called search party.
• 1:03
  It activates cameras across your entire neighborhood and scans for whatever you're looking for. So missing dog, missing person, it doesn't matter. And they turned it on by default. The second is called familiar faces. It's facial recognition.
• 1:18
  It identifies and tags people who regularly appear on your cameras, even every neighbor walking by, every delivery driver, every kid on a bike, face captured, categorized, attached to a behavioral pattern, what time they usually pass, who they associate with, which properties they approach. Both features are on by default on tens of millions of devices across America, and most people never change the defaults. And here's the thing though, you paid for the hardware. You're paying for the electricity bill. You're paying for the monthly subscription, and the data flows up to Amazon, to data brokers, to law enforcement, intelligence agencies through deals that you never signed off on and channels that nobody told you about.
• 2:04
  Ring employees have already been caught accessing customer footage without authorization. The FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, fined Amazon $5,800,000 for it. So Ring has partnered with hundreds of police departments, giving them direct access to your footage. Federal agencies piggyback on those local partnerships to get the exact same data. There's no warrant needed.
• 2:27
  I mean, why spend tens of billions of dollars building a surveillance grid when you can get your average American to install it themselves and pay for it themselves and then defend it as safety and convenience? You feel safer, they get the data. But Ring is just one piece of it. There's a small black oval on a pole near your neighborhood with little solar panels on top. There's no markings, no sign.
• 2:54
  You drive past it every single day, and it's watching you every single time. It's called a Flock safety camera, and right now, there are over 80,000 of them across The United States scanning vehicles billions of times every month. So Ring watches your front door, Flock watches your street, and they're connected. In late twenty twenty five, Amazon Ring formally announced a partnership with Flock Safety, integrating Ring's home cameras directly into Flock's law enforcement platform. After severe public backlash over privacy concerns, their partnership was officially canceled in February 2026.
• 3:33
  But here's what that tells you. The plan existed. The architecture was designed. The two systems were built to connect. They canceled the rollout, but they did not cancel the capability.
• 3:45
  Now most people covering the story stop right around here. They throw some numbers at you and leave you feeling alarmed, but confused about how any of this actually happened. Now I don't wanna do that because I wanna dig deeper, and I know you do too. Because this didn't start with Flock. It didn't start with Ring.
• 4:03
  It didn't even start with Snowden. It didn't start after 09/11. It started in 1956. And when you see how many times this machine has been exposed, reformed, and then quietly rebuilt, what feels new starts to look very, very familiar. This is the third episode of my America Hijacked series.
• 4:23
  It's an investigative history. We're digging through the archives, we're pulling the original documents, and presenting the receipts. Specific decisions, specific people, specific money. We go back to the exact moments when things change, find out who made the call and why, and then we follow the money until the bigger plan comes into focus. So by the end of this, you're not gonna see any street camera the same way.
• 4:46
  Alright. Let's get into it. So I wanna start start with a story that most Americans have probably never heard. 03/08/1971. It's a fight night.
• 4:58
  Muhammad Ali versus Joe Frazier. The fight of the century. Every television in America's tuned in. And while the whole country is distracted, eight ordinary people break into a small FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania. A cab driver, a day care director, two professors, four others, they're just regular people.
• 5:18
  They open the filing cabinets. They start reading, and what they find changes everything. They find documents revealing that the FBI had been running a secret program since 1956. This program was targeting hundreds of organizations and thousands of American civil rights leaders, antiwar activists, journalists, feminist groups, college students. The program had a name.
• 5:44
  It was called COINTAL Pro, counterintelligence program. And in the FBI's own internal language, the goal was to, and I'm quoting directly here, quote, expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize, end quote, anyone the bureau considered a threat to the existing order, not to investigate, to neutralize. Think about that word. The methods were ugly. Forged letters designed to create paranoia between leaders, false stories planted in newspapers, informants pushed inside groups to encourage illegal acts, illegal break ins the FBI called black bag jobs.
• 6:26
  This was not law enforcement doing its job. This was the government deliberately tearing people's lives apart quietly from the inside with your tax dollars, and they ran this for fifteen years in total secrecy. Nobody outside the FBI knew, not congress, not the courts, not the president, nobody. So how did we find out? Those eight ordinary people.
• 6:49
  They leaked what they found to journalists across the country. And for the first time, Americans saw what have been done to them in secret. But it wasn't because the government came clean. It was because these eight people decided to open the filing cabinets and risk telling the truth. And this is so interesting because those eight citizens kept their identities secret for over forty years.
• 7:09
  The FBI spent years trying to figure out who they were. They never did. The burglars came forward in 2014 on their own terms, though. 43 later, the FBI never caught them. The statute of limitations ran out five years after the burglary.
• 7:24
  They went back to their lives, drove carpool, wrote books, raised their kids, and they kept the secret for forty three years. Now we get to the reckoning that was supposed to fix it. In January 1975, the senate voted 82 to four to launch a full investigation into the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA, National Security Agency. They called it the Church Committee after the senator from Idaho who led it, Frank Church. So over 16, a 126 meetings, 40 hearings, 800 witnesses, They were not looking at one rogue program.
• 8:00
  They were pulling a thread and finding an entire system. CIA assassination plots against foreign leaders, NSA's Project Shamrock secretly collecting millions of Americans telegrams since 1947 outside any legal framework for nearly thirty years. And the FBI is campaigning against Martin Luther King, including anonymous letter urging him personally to end his own life. This isn't a fringe story. This is the official senate record.
• 8:27
  But then Frank Church said something I want you to hear as if it were said yesterday, because in a very real sense, it was. He said, and this is a verified direct quote.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: At the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, And no American would have any privacy left such as the capability to monitor everything, telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: No place to hide. But then he went further.
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: He warned that if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the intelligence apparatus could impose total tyranny, and he called it, quote, the abyss from which there is no return. Now that was 1975. It sounded like science fiction at the time, but he was describing the capabilities that already existed. So what happened after that was exposed? Well, Congress responded with FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978.
• 9:50
  New courts, new oversight, and for a time, people thought the problem was fixed, but it wasn't. Now let me show you how those restraints got removed. 09/11/2001 came and the attacks shook America to its core. The fear was real. The threat was real.
• 10:09
  And within forty five days, Congress passed the Patriot Act. Now I wanna be fair here. Americans were scared. They wanted security. It's completely understandable.
• 10:18
  But here's what got built underneath that fear. So section two fifteen was publicly described as a tool for getting business records tied to terrorism. The secret FISA court interpreted it to allow bulk collection of domestic phone records for every American, not some every record. Section seven zero two expanded warrantless access to digital communications. And because the Internet routes through US servers, millions of Americans' private communications got swept in too.
• 10:50
  Most members of congress weren't told the real scope because the real scope was classified. Center Church had warned that this was exactly what would happen, and he was right. So then came 2013 and Edward Snowden, 29 years old in a Hong Kong hotel room. He handed a stack of classified documents to journalists at The Guardian and The Washington Post. And for the first time, the public saw Prism, Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, all handing user data directly to the NSA, emails, photos, video chats, browsing history, live communications, store data.
• 11:29
  The NSA's own internal philosophy and their own documents was three words, collect it all. Everyone, everything, build the pile, sort it later. And the public was outraged. Some reforms were passed, but the deeper architecture stayed in place. The laws stayed.
• 11:48
  The partnership stayed. The secret court kept approving over 99% of requests behind closed doors with no one allowed to challenge them. The machine didn't stop. It adapted, and then it came to your street. This story began in Atlanta, Georgia in 2017 where Garrett Langley, a local entrepreneur who would later become CEO of Flock Safety, experienced a break in.
• 12:15
  The incident was captured on camera, but the footage failed to identify the suspect. Frustrated by the limitations of the existing security systems, Langley teamed up with engineer Matt Fury and business leader Paige Todd to create Flock Safety. The pitch was simple. Solar powered cameras, license plate readers, they'd help police catch car thieves. So who's gonna say no to that?
• 12:37
  Nobody. And that's exactly how these systems always enter. They don't always show up looking threatening. They show up looking convenient, something that any reasonable person would agree to without thinking twice. But then it scaled.
• 12:50
  So they got picked up by one of Silicon Valley's most powerful startup programs in 2017, the kind that turns small ideas into billion dollar companies. Airbnb went through it, Dropbox went through it, and so did Flock. They achieved unicorn business status by 2021, a $7,500,000,000 valuation by 2025, over $950,000,000 raised. Their cameras are now installed in more than 5,000 neighborhoods, towns, and cities across the country, and nearly 4,800 police departments have access to the footage. So over 80,000 cameras across 49 states, and the Flock investor list actually matters.
• 13:35
  Peter Thiel's founder's fund is in there. Thiel, who also cofounded Palantir, whose very first customer was the CIA. Initialized capital is in there too, founded by a former Palantir employee. Now I wanna be careful here because Flock and Palantir are not the same company, but they sit inside the same surveillance ecosystem, the same worldview, the same machine. And here's the pattern I wanna show you.
• 14:03
  COINTAL Pro watched your associations. The NSA watched your communications. Flock watches your physical movements, where you go, when you leave, when you come home, who else was on the road at the same time. Every generation, the surveillance gets physically closer to you. And every single generation, the pitch is the same promise.
• 14:26
  It's one word, safety. Now here's where it gets really important because there's a gap between what Flock tells the public and what their own legal documents actually say. On their website, Flock says, and this is quoting directly, quote, it cannot recognize people. Okay. But when you read the patent, you see it here.
• 14:49
  Right? This is Flock's own patent filed with the US Patent and Trademark Office. It describes the ability to track pedestrians by race, height, weight, and clothing, to query footage using facial recognition data points to integrate with drones, to share data across jurisdictions with no geographic limit. This is way more than a license plate reader, and none of that requires new hardware, just a software update. The infrastructure is already installed.
• 15:17
  The cameras are already there, all 80,000 of them. All that changes is the instruction set. This is exactly the kind of capability that Frank Church was warning about in 1975. The machine gets built first, the abuse comes later. Now let me give you some examples of how this is reaching deeper into people's lives than any normal camera.
• 15:42
  In 2023, a woman in Johnson County, Texas self managed an abortion at home. She wasn't in a hospital or a clinic. She was at home. Local law enforcement opened a case, and publicly, they called it a missing person investigation. The sheriff said, and I'm quoting him directly here, her family was worried that she was going to bleed to death, and we were trying to find her to get her to a hospital.
• 16:06
  A digital rights group called the Electronic Frontier Foundation saw the story, and they were suspicious. So they did what journalists and watchdog organizations can do. They filed a public records request and demanded the actual case documents. What came back told a completely different story. It wasn't a missing persons case.
• 16:25
  It was a death investigation into the death of the fetus. And on the exact same day, police used the Flock Network, that system of over 80,000 cameras that we talked about, to run a nationwide search for her car. They were on the phone with the district attorney asking whether they could file criminal charges the same day, and the search happened more than two weeks after the abortion. So when investigators obtained the actual case records, they found the exact words the deputy typed into Flock's system to justify a nationwide search. The field read, had an abortion search for female.
• 17:02
  So regardless of your opinion on abortion, you can see how this isn't necessarily a case that is checking someone's welfare. 83,000 cameras justified with six words. The only reason we know any of this is because the EFF had to go to the court to drag the truth out, not because someone at Flock or in law enforcement came forward voluntarily. They lied about why they did it, and they used a publicly funded surveillance network installed near your home built with your tax dollars to track down a private citizen for something that happened inside her own home. And look, I'm not here to make a comment on what she did.
• 17:40
  That's between her and God. But here's what I'm saying. The moment we allow a government surveillance network to be activated against a private citizen for actions from her inside of her own home for any reason, we've crossed a line that affects every single one of us. Because if they can do it to her today, they can do it to you tomorrow for any reason they designate a crime. Senator Church said it in 1975, and he was right.
• 18:06
  Surveillance capabilities once built do not stay inside their original lane. They never do. In November 2025, a musician and researcher named Ben Jordan published an investigation into how secure Flock's system actually is, and what he found was staggering.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: You can press a button a few times on the back of these cameras and within a few minutes, turn them into your own personal spy device or malware host or honeypot that steals people's login credentials or a cryptocurrency mine.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: At least 60 Flock Condor cameras were broadcasting live to the open Internet. No password, no username, no login, nothing. Anyone who found them could watch live footage, access a full month of archived recordings, and delete all of it with one click. Delete evidence. So one of those cameras exposed was a camera that was permanently pointed at a playground near the Bay Area in California.
• 19:06
  Live, open, no password, anyone could watch it. The cameras were running Android eight, which hasn't received security updates since 2021. Police porters had no two factor authentication, and the login credentials, the usernames and passwords, were being sent completely unprotected. So anyone listening on the network could just read them. Flock's response, the cameras that Jordan found weren't fully connected to the cloud yet, but they were broadcasting to the open Internet.
• 19:36
  So back in 1971, when the FBI was trying to hide their surveillance data, they at least locked the filing cabinets. It took eight regular people, a set of bolt cutters, and a fight night distraction to get inside. Today, Ben Jordan found these cameras using a publicly available search engine called SHODAN. It works like Google, except instead of searching websites, it finds devices broadcasting to the open Internet. He typed in what he was looking for, and there they were.
• 20:04
  60 live cameras, no password, no login, just people's data sitting there open for anyone to find. Now there is real resistance to this, and I'll give you a few stories that really showed it. So a man named Will Freeman drove across the country in 2023, and he started noticing these cameras everywhere. So concerned, he built a website called dflock.org, which is a crowdsourced public map of every single one of these surveillance cameras that people can find. So that map now tracks nearly 90,000 cameras.
• 20:39
  Flock's own CEO sent him a cease and desist letter demanding him to cease and desist all use of the name deflock and remove the website, but the map is still up. And since the start of 2025, at least 30 cities have canceled or suspended their flock contracts. Washington State passed a new law requiring that license plate data be deleted within twenty one days and started restricting which agencies can access it. So these are examples of how people's efforts are not hopeless. And you know that I always look for hope in every story, and I make sure that we find it.
• 21:13
  And so we see hope in history. In the nineteen seventies, reform did happen. The church committee forced a real chain. For generations, some guardrails actually held. They didn't last forever, but they lasted long enough to prove that public pressure works.
• 21:29
  And here's the thing. Remember that ring and and flock partnership we talked about at the very beginning, the one that would have connected your doorbell directly to a national law enforcement camera network? It got canceled because people pushed back loudly, publicly, and that's what matters. So this is exactly what resistance looks like. So let's bring it all together.
• 21:49
  This is all the same machine. It's the machine that watched Martin Luther King, the machine that collected your grandparents' telegrams, the machine that vacuumed up your entire digital life, The machine that's now listening through the smart speaker sitting on the kitchen counter, the machine reading your search history before you finish typing, the machine in your pocket that knows where you slept last night, who you called, and how long the conversation lasted. The machine that's in your car tracking every route you've ever driven. The machine watching your kids walk into every school every morning. And now the machine on your street corner and the machine in your front porch connected to one another, connected to law enforcement, and connected to federal agencies.
• 22:28
  All of it feeding one pipeline. Ring, Flock, Alexa, your phone, your car, your doorbell, your kid's school, one ecosystem, and most people have no idea. But they can be stopped. We already know that because it's already happened. The public said no to the Ring and Flock partnership.
• 22:48
  They said it loud enough that the companies had no choice but to walk it back, and that's not a small thing. So that's the proof that the machine has a weak point, and that weak point is us paying attention and refusing to go along with it, and refusing to go along with what Frank Church warned about nearly fifty years ago. He said that there would be no place to hide. He warned about the abyss from which there's no return. And here's why that should actually give you hope, because he also proved the system can be exposed, challenged, forced back, and made to help and not harm us.
• 23:23
  We know it can be done because it has been done. So what are your thoughts on this system? How are you seeing it showing up in your town? And more importantly, what are you doing about it? So comment below and tell me.
• 23:34
  And also, go to dflock.org and look up your neighborhood. File a public records request with your city. Ask who has access to the data. Ask whether federal sharing is enabled. Ask whether your school or HOA cameras are connected to law enforcement networks.
• 23:49
  Most of these contracts get approved with zero public attention. The time to stop it is before the camera goes up. So show up before the vote and have your say and make yourself heard. And please share this episode with just one person. Talk to your family.
• 24:03
  Talk to your neighbors. Strengthen your communities. Share this with someone who still thinks that this all started with one camera company. Now you know it didn't. And remember, this is so much more than any one company, any one brand, or any one device.
• 24:16
  It's about a surveillance grid being built around you and your family, generation by generation without a vote. It's about what's been done in the past and what can be done now for today and for the future. So if you learned something from this episode, make sure you hit that like button on whichever platform you're watching. And don't forget, leave me a comment. I love reading them.
• 24:37
  And I'll see you then next week for our next episode of America Hijacked.