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Is Nostalgia Keeping Dead Rock Bands Alive? · Classic Metal Show

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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, I'm Burton C. Bell, and you are watching CMS TV.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what is going on, everybody?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: It is the Classic Metal Show.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am Chris Akin.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not Neely over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Over there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not Neely.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: That is not Neely.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know this is going to shock everybody, but Neely is out with Dokken tonight.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's a stunner.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: But joining me here tonight, we are going to do a very different off-show thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how long it's going to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what we're going to do and talk about exactly, but we'll figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: We will figure it out with my old podcasting partner from...
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  SPEAKER_01: God, eons ago.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the grasshopper that picked the pebble out of my hand and took it,
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  SPEAKER_01: he is the creator of the Heart of the Matter podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: He also has done Heavy Galaxy and Aftershocks Without Me and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is the great Matt Hartnett.
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  SPEAKER_01: Matt, how are you, brother?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's going on, Mr. Akin, man?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm honored to be here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for inviting me on, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pleasure, obviously, to fill in for Neely.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, man, look forward to shooting the shit for as long as we can tonight, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's going to be fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just to be sure that it is fun, I definitely lined up some guests.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coming up in about an hour from now,
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  SPEAKER_01: we will have the bassist of the Galactic Cowboys, Monty Connor.
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  SPEAKER_01: He'll be joining us.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have a new album.
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: What did I say?
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  SPEAKER_01: Did I say Monty Conner?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that would be something all by itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Geez, you can tell the gummy's already hitting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Monty Colvin will be here from the Galactic Cowboys.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to be talking about their new album, What Planet Are You From?
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  SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: God, my brain is already fucked.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you got it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: My brain is already fucked.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he'll be here to talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then a little later in the show,
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  SPEAKER_01: the mighty Jim Florentine,
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  SPEAKER_01: the guy that holds the number one comedy album in the country right now,
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  SPEAKER_01: will be joining us as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to jump on as soon as he gets home from his comedy gig tonight.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we will be chatting with him.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has agreed to take questions from the chat as well, so start lining them up.
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  SPEAKER_01: As I told Hardy Boy on Locals, no, you cannot ask him how Robin Quiver's pussy tastes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Off the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just off the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: But pretty much anything else is going to be fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be good.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Matt, let's get into this, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell everybody before we even get into subjects and topics and whatever,
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  SPEAKER_01: tell everybody about Heart of the Matter and where they can go to find that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's get the pluggy plugs out of the way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Heartothematter.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: H-A-R-T-O, The Matter.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Look at me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did I take Gumby's before I came here?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, heartothematter.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's basically,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: when we did Aftershocks,
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  SPEAKER_02: obviously,
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  SPEAKER_02: me and you basically did like an interview meal, as we used to call it, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We just interviewed as many people as we could from musicians and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then obviously I got into the whole stoner thing and did the Heavy Galaxy with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Heart of the Matters is a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not as many musicians.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of discussions.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to talk Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, what's going on in the industry right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, so it's a bit of a mix we got going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm kind of revamping it right now, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, just got a new YouTube page and got the site updated and everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So really, October is when it's going to kind of really kick off.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we're going to start doing a lot more stuff on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hoping to have you on,
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  SPEAKER_02: of course,
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  SPEAKER_02: and talking about,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, some discussions with albums and so forth, metal albums, classic ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I told you I'm really just,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I did a lot of the new music stuff on Aftershocks after we kind of separated
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  SPEAKER_02: from there.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm like most people now these days, dude, I'm so nostalgic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just the new stuff that's coming out doesn't move me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't really care about promoting new bands anymore, to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: just a lot of discussions about classic stuff,
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  SPEAKER_02: classic records, and doing some deep dives into those and everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that's what's going on with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do have a...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm in the works working on the second film.
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  SPEAKER_02: I did the film Lifers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Working on the second one,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I was telling you about is,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's a pain in the ass doing this thing, getting everybody lined up and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us how much you love doing these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hate talking to bands and I hate doing these documentaries, but I'm doing another one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that's what it is, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's why I stopped talking to bands is after doing these films.
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  SPEAKER_02: Doing interviews is one thing when you spend an hour with them or a half hour,
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  SPEAKER_02: even though most of the time that we did,
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  SPEAKER_02: but to have to track them down,
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  SPEAKER_02: and you spend money going to travel to get to these guys,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then you get there,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then they don't have their shit lined up, and it's just...
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm definitely jaded.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think I've told you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm jaded from it,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I'm going to see it through at least this next film and then go from there
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  SPEAKER_02: and...
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: like I said,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say who's going to be in it yet because it's been taking some twists
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  SPEAKER_02: and turns and so forth.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we do got some guys that I've interviewed and everything for it that,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: a lot of the I think some of the classic metal show fans would enjoy and have heard
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  SPEAKER_02: of before.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, they're very well known to them.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, we'll see what happens with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's it's it's a process, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's kind of getting,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think what it is just quickly,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember,
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  SPEAKER_02: we grew up, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: if someone wanted to be in a documentary,
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  SPEAKER_02: people would be lining up for these kind of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: But now,
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  SPEAKER_02: because you got YouTube and everyone's got cameras everywhere and everyone's faces,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think they're just kind of burnt out on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, well, what are you using this for?
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  SPEAKER_02: They get a little skeptical.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, dude, I'm just promoting this.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just pushing this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: If they don't trust you sometimes,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's like they don't really give you what you need to make the film good.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's kind of what it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to just put out anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've got to have a story to tell.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can't just give me an interview and I'm going to make shit out of nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I do love enjoying the film.
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  SPEAKER_02: I do enjoy doing the filming.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm hoping to do more.
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  SPEAKER_02: I guess I've got to get maybe my brain a little better,
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  SPEAKER_02: too, and just accept it and just kind of suck it up, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, dude, the thing is,
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  SPEAKER_01: and the fans don't really know it,
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  SPEAKER_01: but once you get firmly planted behind the curtain,
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  SPEAKER_01: once you get past the excitement of,
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  SPEAKER_01: holy shit, I'm meeting this guy or I'm sitting on the bus with this guy or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once you get past that and it becomes, I got to do a good interview.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to do a good piece.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got to get this angle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once you start...
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  SPEAKER_01: Doing it as work instead,
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  SPEAKER_01: you really find out real quick the unfortunate truth about bands,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is there's usually one smart guy and a bunch of dummies.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's usually how it works.
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  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_01: the one thing that the smart guy doesn't always do is carry the load of the work.
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  SPEAKER_01: The smart guy is smart enough to say, nah, you go ahead and do the interview.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you get some fucking dumb fuck and he's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't know, you want me to be where, when, huh?
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, man, you nailed it, dude.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we used to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, we used to do these interviews with some of these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how it was, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We would sit there and afterwards we would just be like, what the fuck was that, man?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, like,
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  SPEAKER_02: why would you send that person from your band to promote what you're putting out?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of all people, someone who could talk and really can't answer anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as we said,
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  SPEAKER_02: one thing we always say, right,
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  SPEAKER_02: is doing a lot of these interviews,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, and you've done obviously a gazillion of them over the years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is you realize why some bands didn't, quote unquote, make it or go farther than they did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just staring us right in the face when we, you know, we interview some of these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the decision making.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just unbelievable, like you said.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, you know, I'm not to be all like an asshole and talk shit about these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: like I think you said something one time like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: if these guys didn't have like this little bit of talent that they were born with
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  SPEAKER_02: and given.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'd be working at like, you know, changing tires at Walmart or something.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Or Jiffy Lube or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So not to be a dick, but I mean, that's kind of it is really the reality
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  SPEAKER_02: of it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it's not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the other thing was like.
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  SPEAKER_02: Our great late friend Bob Melbandi, he did all those films.
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to think,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I think we talked about this,
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  SPEAKER_02: I used to always be like, God, he has a lot of the same guys in the films.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, now I know why he did, because he knew who he can get that could do a good job.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that would obviously follow through.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I see, I also saw what he did when he did the Bay Area Godfathers.
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  SPEAKER_02: When he came up here to the Bay Area, you know, he wasn't up from up here.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was an L.A. guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was a much different story.
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  SPEAKER_02: These guys didn't know him as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: They knew him, but they didn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: They didn't know him as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: They didn't trust him as much.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they didn't really promote his stuff as much and give him as much credit and help him out.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I do understand why in music people have their inner circle type of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they stick to that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they don't really branch out as much as we would hope sometimes they would.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just because it's not worth it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a pain he has to deal with them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if they don't trust you, they're not going to really work with you as much.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're right.
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• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And dude,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's funny because I know when I do interviews,
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: and I do nine zillion interviews a month,
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I do this,
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: and this is such a pro move on my part,
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm not trying to pat myself on the back,
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: but I do think it is a pro move that I do that most don't do.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: If I have an artist...
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  SPEAKER_01: That is established and successful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rob Halford.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll just throw a name.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to schedule longer than the 30 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just don't have to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know for a fact he's going to show up at 10 o'clock if that's when it's scheduled,
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  SPEAKER_01: not 10.06, and he's going to need to leave exactly at 10.30.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I get myself gunned and professionally ready for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I'm talking to somebody that's 30 years in the business and
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  SPEAKER_01: And they might have had a sliver of success somewhere,
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  SPEAKER_01: but for the most part,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're remembered for that one song on the first album and they're still living off
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  SPEAKER_01: of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always leave an extra, like I don't back to back.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't go with something back to back because I know they're going to be late
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  SPEAKER_01: if they show it all.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: If they show it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they
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  SPEAKER_02: show it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And eight of 10 times, they fuck it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eight of ten.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so crazy.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I say it jokingly, but you've done enough interviews with me to know this is true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interviews in general, 75% complete rate.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of every four does not show up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or they reschedule a couple of times or, you know, late.
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  SPEAKER_02: So sometimes it's like, well,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're not going to,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to sit here and wait,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, for this half, you know, a C-level musician.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wait, sit there, wait a half hour for him to show up.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, we're just not going to do that.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, listen,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're not small fry kind of guys where we're just these little,
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: you know, like you said, little fanboys want to interview these guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, look, you're trying to push your product, your work.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just do the due diligence.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to sit here.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: If it's a bigger name, of course, you're going to sit there and you'll wait a while.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, well, I just got to suck it up and deal with it.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: If Rob Halford's coming on, I'll wait an hour to see if he shows.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: But if it's like a C-level artist, I mean, yeah, I'm not
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  SPEAKER_00: going to sit there and wait all day.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you have the publicist like, oh, well,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: one guy,
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to say his name,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I remember that got rescheduled like two or three times.
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  SPEAKER_00: One time was like, oh, something.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'll say his name, Matt Zane.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, not that guy.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was it.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck that guy, dude.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's a whole nother ballgame.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's Darren Miller, you know.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, from CKY, yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: From CKY, yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the second time he didn't show, I was like, screw this guy.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then I remember the publicist was like, well, no, he had to go to the hospital.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, shut up.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Shut up.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not fucking stupid.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I mean,
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: so I did it,
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: and of course we got to sometimes play the game
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: with the publicist in order
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: to get some of the better interviews.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, Darren's a good interview too.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's a, you know.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a good cult following so people will watch the video.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it was worth, okay, doing it a third time, and then he finally showed up.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: And we had a really good discussion and everything.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, it's not just put on your screen here, your camera, and they show up.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, sometimes, man, it's a total headache of rescheduling.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a pain in the ass a lot.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times,
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: because I get much shit,
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: as you can imagine,
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: from people be like, well, how come you're interviewing this band?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Bullshit band from Sweden that nobody's ever heard of before.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: And there's reasons.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the reasons are because that same publicist of that bullshit band
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: from Sweden is also representing Steve Vai.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: So if I say, no,
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to do your little shitty band,
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing you a favor,
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: so why will they do me a favor when Eddie Trunk and,
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: what's her name, Metal Jackie...
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Heavy Metal Jackie or,
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: the bigger shows, you know, we'll get those interviews and we'll get more views.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I have been super blessed that all the publicists know that I'm super professional at doing it.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: The artists generally like me doing it.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And because of that,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: a lot of times I'll end up with the only podcast interview with Mick Mars or the,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the bigger stuff that I do get.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Grandmaster Flash coming next week.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Interviewed fucking Grandmaster Flash, the inventor of rap.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you kidding?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: But how am I getting it?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even cover rap on any of my shows.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty interesting.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: But the publicist knows me.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: And because she knows me,
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: and she knows I'll do a good job, and I've always done her well, she hooks me up.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you're blessed, but you're also, you worked your ass off to get to that point, man.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, it's like you said, you have to do great examples.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: We always laugh about one of the,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think, the silliest and funniest interviews you ever did was War Kings, right?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Actually,
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: you didn't do that one because it's like,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: oh, I love this band and my fans are all going to dig this.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was one that you did, obviously, for the publicist.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it became pretty much, I think, one of your more iconic and memorable
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: interviews.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know if anyone's ever seen it,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: but if anyone has, you should go check out Chris' interview in War Kings.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty hilarious.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Let's explain that real- Yeah, let's explain that real quick.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: War Kings are this band from somewhere other than here.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Germany, Sweden, somewhere.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sweden, yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: And didn't speak a whole ton of great English,
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: but they insisted,
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: they're one of the mask,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: they're a mask band,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: and they have like the whole skull mask thing going on,
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: and they're like a power metal band.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: And they call themselves, you know, the reincarnation of the Vikings or something.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I did the whole interview with Viking questions.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: I almost asked them no music questions at all.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I asked them like, do they watch the show Vikings and think of it as home movies?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was just asking goofy, stupid shit.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it was really funny.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: And even the publicist thought it was kind of funny.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: They were annoyed with me.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: The publicist was like, really, dude?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, what do you want?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Look at what you gave me.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: What do you want?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: The guy shows up in this silly outfit.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: What are you supposed to ask this guy?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: You can't take him seriously.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's what we were laughing about.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I remember because I think I was supposed to do that with you,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: but something came up and I couldn't do it.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad I did.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you got to do it by yourself.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I had similar questions because I think we talked about,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: like, let's just freaking
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: let's just go with this.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, exactly.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if you get to dress up like that and you're going to act like you're some,
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: you know, old working of his.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: I forget what his name was,
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: but it's like, well, then we're going to roll with what your whole shtick is.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to roll with it, man.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, so, yeah.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's fun.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, those can be fun, and they do cause issues.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: that's really the interesting thing about it is when I roll with it sometimes,
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: I go a little far.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And even if you go back all the way into the old days of the CMS and you listen
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: to some of those interviews,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: I used to get on,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: especially with the guys that didn't speak good English,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: there's a litany of these things out there.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Where I would just start asking, I would just start saying words that didn't make any sense.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I would throw in a word or two that I knew that they knew.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say something like,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, well,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: when you're touring in Europe,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: does the sun shine from the north because the east is wet in the west?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they'd be like, yeah, we tour Europe.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep, yep.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I would just make up horse shit and Neely would laugh his fuck.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: I would hear him laughing in the back and I would be constantly typing, texting him.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, mute your fucking microphone because I wanted to keep doing it.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then Neely would hit him with a serious question.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Then I'd come right back with another just goofball question.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I used to do that a whole lot more.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now I have a lot more, I don't know.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Respect for these guys,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: because yeah, well,
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: it's because, you know, in today's world, these guys ain't making any money anyway.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I want to try and help a little more than just making fun.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the War Kings guy, he definitely, he definitely needed a beating.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: He did.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: You gave it to him.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: You definitely gave it to him, man.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said,
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: one of the more memorable,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: not for obviously, you've done these amazing interviews over the years.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like you said, Mick Mars and so forth.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: You can go down the list.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: But that was just one that was so off the wall and different
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: that that's definitely up there for one of my favorites you ever did.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was fun.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you a favorite that I did, which was this week.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I know you watched it, the Burton Bell interview.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed talking to Bert.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't talked to him in a long time.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: it had been,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: God, I think the last time I actually chatted with him might have been 2010.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it had been a really long time since I had talked to him.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And we just had a really good conversation and we just kind of...
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Shot the shit about what he's doing now.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of it,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: after it,
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: he messaged me and thanked me for not asking a bunch of Fear Factory bullshit.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And my attitude's always the same.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I ask that?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're not in that band.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't been in that band in five years at this point.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you haven't been actively in that band for about 10.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I ask questions about that shit?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, because that's what everyone else asks him, right?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the whole thing.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, super lazy.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: But no, I mean, like you said, he is such a nice guy, too.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: And he's not that kind of dramatic type of guy.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's why,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: when guys are like that,
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: too, it's just like if I know, you know, the guys are cool and...
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: He won't give you much anyway.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, well,
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: what's the point of pissing him off and then asking all that stuff
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: when he doesn't want to give you anything after that?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, you might as well...
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when I interviewed him years ago when there was all this shit going on
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: with them, that one that you hooked me up with him.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like a time where I was like,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: I know he was sensitive and we were asked not
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: to really ask any Fear Factory questions.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I just at the end just said, hey, you know what, man?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you could tell me about it, I'm not going to pep you with questions.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us what's going on and just let him...
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: He said like a little bit,
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: and it was kind of cool because it actually got on the sites and everything too,
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: just for him speaking.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like he said, I think he talked about it for like five sentences, you know what I mean?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: it's like there's no point in doing something like that where then it would be
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: a disastrous interview.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, and it was a really good interview to do with him.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, we know the whole situation with Fear Factory.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: On top of that, it's just like they become such a joke.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: In my opinion, that band, they got a singer who just clones the guy and on that new record.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, like we've been saying, I'm all team.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I hate to be like, oh, who are you when bands break up?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Are you this for the guy who left?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Are you for the rest of the band?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, but I am.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm a Burton guy through and through.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: You already know, too.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: And his solo stuff's pretty decent.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's him at least.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've liked the two songs that I've heard so far have been okay.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I liked Ascension of the Watchers.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was pretty cool.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was different, but it was cool.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And look, I love what he's doing now.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And if you guys don't know what he's doing,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Burton, the singer formerly of Fear Factory, he's going out on these shows.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: And they're really not shows.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's really 50 people max.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the max number.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he just brings everybody in and he kind of puts them in a circle and he,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: and he talks to them and he takes questions and tells stories about
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: the obsolete record, which is such an amazing fucking record.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, classic.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's a cool tour and it is what makes it cooler.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I even said this to him,
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's cooler just because it's not the lazy,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: well, let's play the album from start to finish that everybody does now.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because that is just a ploy to get people to go to fucking Spotify and play the record.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that stinks.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've gone to a bunch of those kind of shows.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was telling you, I did go to their demanufactured
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: 20th anniversary, I
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: think it was.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it was great.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I've been to, I would say, a whole bunch.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've been to probably a handful of shows where bands play the whole album full.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's, I mean, you know how it is.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like right now,
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: everyone's running out of stuff, too, because no one wants to hear anything new.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: So people just want to hear the old stuff because the new stuff, nothing's very inspiring.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's all sounds the same because of the way things are recorded these days.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the band just have a formula now and every album, it's kind of the same thing.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think we'll be talking about some of that stuff later.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what really people want.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they just want old stuff.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: They want stuff that's going to bring them back.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's nothing new, right?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's happened.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen our parents' generation go through that and everything.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it's nothing new.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: like when they do every single album where it's like,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: well, this is now the 37th year.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go ahead and play.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's like...
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Make 25 years, maybe 30 or 40, like those big numbers.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: But not if you did 25, then don't do 30.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, you can't do it twice.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think doing it twice is silly.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to do 25, whoever's still laying around at 50, you can have them do it then.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: with all your new young guys that are 25 that'll be calling themselves Fear Factory
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, like the worst has that been, you know, Black Flag.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: What they look like now?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you got
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: the old guy.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: What's his name?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Gray something.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm not a huge black flag guy, but he's got like kids in the band.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it's a black flag and you see the picture.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: You see this old guy, white hair and these I'm talking kids.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking like they look like teenagers, man.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that's such an iconic band in that punk scene.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's just a joke to me.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like I get you want to go out and celebrate it.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: And we know where it is right now, the industry.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: But When you've got a bunch of teenage-looking kids and this old grandpa,
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: it could be their grandpa.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: It is their grandpa, really.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing, too.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's one of the things that when Jim comes on, they don't want to ask him.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just what his take is on this stuff because we've seen it, obviously, with...
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: Sebastian Bach now with Twisted City.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you draw the line with this stuff, man?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: There has to be a line.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm sorry.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: There just has to be.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it is.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say I know,
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: but I guess it's a band-by-band basis, but there's got to be a line somewhere.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: See, I think the line we talked about a little bit last week on the show.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think the line has to be at age combined with performance ability.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: because it is ridiculous seeing some of these guys getting,
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: most of these guys that are trotting out there at 70, 75, 80.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: This music, this style of music was not built for that.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you're an acoustic person from the 70s,
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even that, I mean, up until he died, like I saw videos of Gordon Lightfoot.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's as acoustic and mellow as it gets.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it literally looked like they were trotting out a Halloween skeleton onto
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: the stage holding a guitar.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: You ever see those Halloween skeletons that are playing guitar with the big shoulders?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he looked like, just a skeleton.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he almost died on stage.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: He literally died like four days after a show or something.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, you see other guys like Frankie Valli.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's ridiculous with him, dude.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're clearly unboxing him to push him on stage.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Weekend at Bernie shit, dude.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: You don't bring these guys out there just to stand them up.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's silly, man.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know why you'd want to do that, too.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I understand you miss it or you enjoy performing and But nobody wants
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: to see you like that.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, who wants to remember Frankie Valli?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, looking like a total corpse.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and of course, you know, with his voice, he was so high.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's no way he could even come close to even singing one iota close to that.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, it's just, it bastardizes and it's a mockery of it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're making a mockery of your own legacy.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get it.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it is funny, too,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: because you got that old,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: he's like 90 or 85 or whatever he is, and he's not moving his mouth.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's clearly a track because he's like,
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: you know, he doesn't move his mouth at all.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: And he's got like a bunch of 30-year-old guys behind him,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: and they're all dancing and singing, and it's so fucking stupid.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's silly, dude.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's silly.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I just think it dilutes your legacy in a way.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's like, do you really need them?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, if they need the money, all right, I can get it.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I can understand if you're really that desperate for money.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think Frankie Valli is desperate for money.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Frankie Valli, we looked him up.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's got like half a billion dollars.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, ego, I guess, just attention.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even think
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: it's that.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a manager that's in his head.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Telling them, you got to go.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: You got to go.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly do not believe in most of the cases,
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: not all of them,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: but I believe in most of the cases where it is just like Barry Manilow.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm positive.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or Rod Stewart.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: The both of them had major medical issues that finally took them off the road in
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: the last six months.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the both of them.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: They were terrible.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've actually, I hate to admit this, talk about showing off what a fag I can be.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen Barry Manilow live.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I saw him in the 80s or whatever it was.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was the early 80s.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: My mom went and saw Barry Manilow, and it was a damn good show, and he sounded great.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he walked around,
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: and he was kind of leaning down and kissing the broads in the front row and stuff.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was doing the Barry Manilow thing.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a good show.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then you see him now and it's clear he's singing to a track.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: And when he's not singing to a track, he sounds terrible and he can't move.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: At one point,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: and I think the last show he did,
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: he sat down next to the piano because he couldn't stand up to keep going.
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• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, dude, what are you doing?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he knows there's something wrong, but he's still trotting his ass out there.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I honestly think it's probably some fucking manager in his ear saying,
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: come on, Barry, only 14 more shows and we're done.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to give any money back.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: I also say they sign these contracts.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: There's got to be stuff in these things that say,
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: and look, when we want you to go out there, you got to do it.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: because you scratch your head a lot of the times when you see these guys doing this.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, even the Rolling Stones going out and touring in their 80s.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, do they really?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, here's the thing.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: I understand if you want to play a show here or there, you know, I totally get that.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: play a handful of shows and big shows in major cities,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: but To tour,
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: to do 15
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: to 20 dates when you're in your 80s, I just don't... You're right.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's managers and there's people behind the scenes
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: that are not just pushing them, but saying, hey, you signed this.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't,
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: you're going to get taken to
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: court and you're going to lose blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's like, oh, I don't want to deal with that headache.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just go out and do it.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, right?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: It has
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: to be.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Did you ever see this before?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, before these days, I don't remember...
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, grow up like, you know, 20 years ago.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think we paid enough attention to it, to be honest.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you didn't.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because when you really dig in and think about it and Horatio in the chat room,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: no, I did not go see Liberace.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck you.
• 32:15
  Yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, seriously, I think it probably has been going on for a while.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason the Temptations are still out there.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason that the Four Tops were out there until a couple of years ago.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they used to do that.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: What was that?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: The Moondog Coronation Ball where they would bring out all of the,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: the one Shandell or whatever that was still alive would come out and sing a song
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably been there,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: but I think the difference between then and now, those bands didn't make any money.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Those bands got extorted beyond belief with their early contracts,
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: but by the 80s, these guys were making money.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Barry Manilow is not broke.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Frankie Valli is not broke.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's no reason for them to be out there at all.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: It just...
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they would do that.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's going to be interesting with the metal bands,
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: because like you were just saying before, listen,
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: that's the kind of music that's not meant to be played when you're 78 years old.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it's going to be interesting to see
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: what happens.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're getting to that point, not too far off from that point now.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: With Judas Priest and Metallica and everything like that,
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: with those bands, Iron Maidens,
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: what are they going to do?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Are they going to be playing nuts?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's got to be a point in time when you can't,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: when you just physically cannot do that.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's got to be coming soon.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, man.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's band to band.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, the two that you mentioned are still decent at playing live.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: And Maiden is the real exception because they're not just decent.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're still excellent.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, look, Neely's at a show tonight.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Don's out there.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: His voice is blown.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: His hand don't work.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: He can hardly walk.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he's trotting his ass out there and singing for an hour and 10 minutes
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: or 20 minutes or whatever it is.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I get it, I guess.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've told him behind the scenes.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I know Neely has too.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And we've said it here on the show a bunch of times.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Please, stop.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Go do an acoustics.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sam David Lee Roth, another guy.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do a Storytellers.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Go do a story.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see David Lee Roth, who's a fucking nut job anyway.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't you love to see him just rambling for an hour and mixing in
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: some Dance
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: the Night Away or some shit in the middle of acoustic?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, totally, man.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the thing is that when you say acoustic, see what happens is their voices are so shot.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: It shines out even more if you're doing acoustic than if you've got the heavy drums
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: and the electric guitars.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: You can bring the key down to where they can hit.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you could.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Roth could spoken word it.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Roth could be like, you know, dance the night away.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: But if you had to watch that for an hour, I think you'd get sick of it, to be honest with you.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Half hour show, I could probably take it.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be fun.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: After a while, you'd be like, this guy's so off his ass right now.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we really want to sit here for another half hour and watch him.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: But if your choice is what he's doing now.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Versus that.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you could get some really wacky stories in between each song.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'd take that.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I see what you're saying.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I don't know.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's different.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has their opinions on that kind of shit.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think as many people would pay to see it.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that's probably what they're thinking.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think they would once.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: And again, David Lee Roth is 70-some years old.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly not hurting for money.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's another guy that could just do it because he wants to be out in front of people
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: and have people kissing his ass.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: He could do that.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still a believer on these old bands that instead of going out on tour, like Deep Purple.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Deep Purple should not be out on tour.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: They should play L.A., New York, Chicago, done.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: If they want to play, play three shows.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of see what you're saying.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I mean,
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: from what I've heard,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: but I've heard they sound fantastic from people I know that have seen them.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: I guess if you're still playing, you know.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've heard both ways.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard some people say that they were great.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard my buddy.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think, you know, this guy to Paul, Paul Fink out there in.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Playtime for you.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he went and saw it and he said, started off really strong.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Singer got weak toward the middle to the end.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that makes sense.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's 80.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: he is, right?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's an 80-year-old blind guy.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, he's not going to be that great after a while.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even know where he is.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: He can't see.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what people want.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: People would rather have that than they don't care.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think people necessarily care about the quality.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's just having it just to bring them back and just to just to see it just with
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: the original guys, no matter how good or bad it sounds.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we just want to see it and sing those songs one last time.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think everyone knows it just the industry.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: So everything's just, you know, it's not going to say it's done.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: But as we see, I mean, this this is it.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: These legacy bands, that's all we got left.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's no other bands coming up.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: People always say,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: once David Lee Roth is done and once Deep Purple is gone
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: and Once Judas Priest is done and Iron Maiden, who is there?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Who's going to take that torch and be the band that's in their 50s and 60s
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: that are able to still do it?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: No one wants to see the bands from the late 90s.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: We always talk about the last major era that people always talked about of
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: a real musical movement with Seattle with those bands.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: all those singers are dead except for Eddie Vedder and no one likes Eddie Vedder
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: in Pearl Jam.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, like no metalheads do.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, so who's there?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's nobody.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, all right, we just got to see, you know, who we can now.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's pretty what it comes down to.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the real Last Bastion is even getting very old, like Korn.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Korn is still big.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're still pretty big.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Limp Bizkit is back being big.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that's not going to last.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, and Limp Bizkit, let's be honest, they're goofy.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Korn is not a band I ever want to see when they're in their 60s.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm already kind of done seeing them.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm sort of done with them too.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they haven't put out anything in years that's memorable.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everything sounds the same.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: That whole era is not a good era.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, it's done, man.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's why people were like, yeah, we'll see Deep Purple in the 80s.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's better than seeing whatever else is coming up, these bands from the 90s.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: I guess we love a ton of bands from the 90s, but even me now, I'm just like, yeah, I get it.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's very...
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's not that much meat to it.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, everything got simplified in the 90s, right?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's no technical chops.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Vocally, everything didn't matter.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was just screaming.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: There was no technical, you know, proficiency or anything like that in any of the music.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, what is there?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: The angst is gone.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: We're not young and angry like that we used to be in for a piece of vinegar.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, I don't really want to see, you know, corn saying faggot.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like, it was fun back then.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: But do I want to see them saying that?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: It wouldn't be the same.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: We'd be like, uh...
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Who's those old guys using dirty words?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly right.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm with you.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's do this, man.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's play some tunes,
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: and then we'll come back, and in theory, we will have Monty Colvin joining us.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to get it right here.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Monty's my friend, and I'm calling him by the wrong fucking name.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with me?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, let's do this.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: We are going to play some Amorphous to get going here,
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: play a few songs,
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: and then we will come back with Monty Colvin of the Galactic Cowboys.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: So hang tight, everybody.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're just getting rolling.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is going to be a little bit silly tonight, and it always is the Classic Metal Show.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: Stop scrolling, this is the one.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: After five years, Plush is back.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: The all-female power trio,
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_03: vocalist and guitarist Mariah Formica,
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: bassist Ashley Supa, and drummer Faith Powell.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_03: Just dropped their first full length since 2021.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: Mass hysteria is here.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: Raw, loud, unapologetic.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: The kind of record that hits like a live show in your chest.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: Do not wait.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: Click the link at the bottom of the screen or in the description.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: And get it now.