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Chuck & Buck 4-27 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen: a breakdown of the Seahawks NFL Draft · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not said at all.
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Speaker 2: The holidays are wonderful, but I enjoy them. You can't
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Speaker 2: keep up that pace. That's so exhausting.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you got to ramp up to something and
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Speaker 1: then you gotta get the payoff, and then you gotta do.
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Speaker 2: A little recovery.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he just can't do every day just celebrating
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Speaker 1: like it's nineteen ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: For goodness sake.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so day probably had my fill of draft
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Speaker 1: nog and I don't want anymore for a while. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we had the tree, but we put it away today
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Speaker 1: before Mike Holmgren criticized us for over celebrating overdraft missing
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Speaker 1: and by the time the seventh round rolled around on Saturday,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what kind of tired of picks
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Speaker 1: I've never.
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Speaker 2: Really heard of.
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Speaker 1: So why don't we just put a bow on this
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Speaker 1: thing for another fantastic Draftmas year and now we'll just analyze.
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Speaker 2: The hell out of it.
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Speaker 1: And joining us on the program is a man that
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Speaker 1: became he's already number one in your hearts is our
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Speaker 1: QB one top analysts here at Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 1: point three kh A r FM. But his role of
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Speaker 1: hucon Cornelius. This Draftmas season may just added new layers
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Speaker 1: of adoration to this guy. And my goodness, I mean
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Speaker 1: we're selling Hucon Cornelius bobble heads.
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Speaker 2: We can't keep him on the shelves right now. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean, what claymation character would you rather be? I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's top of the food chain, number one prospector to
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Speaker 2: be linked with him. Well, we did it again.
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Speaker 1: Another draft season comes to a close before we start
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Speaker 1: diving into these eight picks. As John decided to make
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Speaker 1: you do twice.
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Speaker 2: The work over the weekend. Thank you, John, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: have an easy Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just wanted to get your overall thoughts. What's
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Speaker 1: the thing that stood out most of you about the draft.
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Speaker 2: Weekend this year?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 2: I think you come into it with relatively low expectations.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we had a couple of years
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Speaker 2: ago we had the fifth and the twentieth pick, and
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Speaker 2: you get Devin Witherspoon and you get JSN. You know,
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Speaker 2: you're good? Was that good? By the way, was that
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Speaker 2: a good draft? Do you think? Do you think they
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Speaker 2: hit on those and and yeah that's why they got
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Speaker 2: another Lombardi? But uh so, I think you come into it,
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Speaker 2: you know, and obviously you had the fourth and fifth
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Speaker 2: round losses with Rashid Shaheed, who with his special teams contributions,
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Speaker 2: you know, made it all worth it, right, and and
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Speaker 2: so I think it's just a low expectation draft. But
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Speaker 2: I really do believe that they you know, several days before,
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Speaker 2: I think they had their eye on Jidaim Price with
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Speaker 2: the first pick. I'll get to that in a second.
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Speaker 2: I think that they had their eye on Bud Clark
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Speaker 2: at sixty four. And I think that they had their
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Speaker 2: their eye on Julian Neil at ninety six. That like
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Speaker 2: bang bang bang, That's that's how they had projected they
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Speaker 2: thought they're now. The one caveat is that they they
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Speaker 2: probably felt like they could have and should have been
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Speaker 2: able to pick up a couple more picks, but you know,
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Speaker 2: drop back to uh thirty five to thirty eight somewhere
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Speaker 2: in there, yeah, and still get get the half back
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Speaker 2: in price. But other than that, I think, and then
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Speaker 2: and then you know, there's I don't call them surprises,
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Speaker 2: but some issues that we'll talk about in the later picks.
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Speaker 2: But I think I think as far as as them
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Speaker 2: identifying their needs, identifying the players that would best fit
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Speaker 2: their needs. I think they're absolutely delighted they got the
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Speaker 2: guys they wanted.
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Speaker 1: Well, we've got two hours together here, and so I
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Speaker 1: hope I'm not throwing you off because you would think
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Speaker 1: I'd go, you know, sort of chronologically through the selections.
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Speaker 1: But we did do Judarian price for quite a bit
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Speaker 1: on Friday, and so with our big Fat segment to
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Speaker 1: start things off, maybe we begin with the two Friday picks,
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Speaker 1: since so we on the Chuck and Buck Show have
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Speaker 1: not had that analysis presented since that happened on Friday,
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Speaker 1: and then we had the weekend. So if you don't mind,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to skip to Friday and get your thoughts
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Speaker 1: on those two selections to get us as started here today,
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Speaker 1: Let's go with Bud Clark. They did stick and pick
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Speaker 1: again at sixty four, and this is a safety out
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Speaker 1: of TCU. Sounds like he's got some cornerback coverage skills
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Speaker 1: that might be able to slide him inside. Kind of
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Speaker 1: sounds like the reverse Kobe Bryant experiment at cornerback that
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Speaker 1: could play safety. This is a safety that might be
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Speaker 1: able to play some corner And it did feel to
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Speaker 1: me like we have a hole. We really like that
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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant player, and maybe we have his replacement in
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Speaker 1: Bud Clark. It did feel like you're trying to fill
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Speaker 1: that hole in your roster. Now can he pull it off?
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Speaker 1: Tell me about Bud Clark through your lens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree, you know, obviously losing excuse me,
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Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant, you gotta have a plan to have some
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Speaker 2: competition there. I mean, Tyle Kotta really played well, won
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Speaker 2: a lot of games with him. There's some physical limitations,
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Speaker 2: but but you know, in looking at Clark, I would
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Speaker 2: say it's it's yes, that replacement, but I think you
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Speaker 2: add a little bit more chuck to it because when
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Speaker 2: you when you listen to Mike McDonald in the press
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Speaker 2: conference that Friday night and he was talking about his
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Speaker 2: versatility and he immediately mentions Nickel, and I'm kind of whoa.
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Speaker 2: The light kind of goes on to me for me
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Speaker 2: that that when you look at Devin Witherspoon, let's let's
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna work backwards from Devin Wispoon could because I
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Speaker 2: think the point to make about Bud Clark he said,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, isn't that more of a Julian' Neil
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Speaker 2: a comparison. Not to me, it's a Bud Clark comparison.
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Speaker 2: So Spoon has has been has played for Mike McDonald
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Speaker 2: two years. Right. The first year Spoon that was twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four, Spoon had three and ninety snaps out wide,
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Speaker 2: but inside he had six eighty three whatever that ratio is.
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Speaker 2: But remember that third three to ninety out wide, six
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Speaker 2: eighty three inside. Last year he goes from three to
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Speaker 2: ninety outside to four to sixty one outside, and his
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Speaker 2: inside snaps dropped from six eighty three to four nineteen.
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Speaker 2: And so I think that what you want with Bud
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Speaker 2: Clark and what Mike McDonald envisions is you could see
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Speaker 2: a situation where Bud Clark comes inside and plays the
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Speaker 2: nickel and Spoon stays on the outside. Because when Spoon
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Speaker 2: went inside, you know, when Greek Wolland came on, Reek
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Speaker 2: Willan's not an inside player. Reek Wollan had to be
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Speaker 2: the outside corner. So Spoon when they wanted to play
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Speaker 2: the diamond again. Thirty six snaps in the Super Bowl
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Speaker 2: of Dime, the most of the season by far. They
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Speaker 2: were ramping up. The first nine games only had two
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Speaker 2: and a half plays per game. In dime and then
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Speaker 2: it went jumped to eighteen per game in the second
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Speaker 2: half of the season, highlighted by thirty six per snaps
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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. So that ability to play, and
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Speaker 2: of course that's with nick Emmin Worry, who's technically a safety,
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Speaker 2: but you know, look at him and he could almost
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Speaker 2: view him as a sandbacker. But any of it, I
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Speaker 2: think Bud Clark he played in the box last year
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fourteen times, plus a slot corner at
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Speaker 2: three h nine, so you combine him, that's five point
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Speaker 2: twenty three inside and then he was a safety only
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty nine in a back end safety,
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Speaker 2: so he has a lot of experience playing in the slot.
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Speaker 2: His height at sixty one percent even though his weight
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Speaker 2: is you look the first first RepU when you put
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Speaker 2: on the tape, you go, WHOA, that's a thin frame.
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Speaker 2: He's one hundred and eighty eight pounds ninth percentile for safeties,
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Speaker 2: but sixty first percentile in height and ninety third percentile
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Speaker 2: for his forty time, eighty six percentile for his broad jatu.
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Speaker 2: He was a long jumper in high school. So when
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Speaker 2: what you see is you see a lean dude, just
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Speaker 2: exactly what you said. What was Kobe Bryant played corner
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Speaker 2: at Cincinnati, won the Throwper Award for the best College
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Speaker 2: dB as a corner, and then and then you know
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Speaker 2: they put him in slot with with Pete Carroll, and
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Speaker 2: then he found a home in the back end with
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Speaker 2: Mike McDonald. I think that what you see with Bud
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Speaker 2: Clark is a guy that you know, has a lot
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Speaker 2: of versatility, big time IQ football. IQ has a great
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Speaker 2: sense of recognizing patterns, what have you will go get
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Speaker 2: the ball. Unbelievable fifteen interceptions. I mean he had an
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Speaker 2: interception against Colorado where he was covering the underneath guy
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Speaker 2: right near the lion of scrimmage. The quarterback is throwing
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Speaker 2: it to an intermediate sail cut outbreaking route and he
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Speaker 2: just jumps up and snatches it like you know, like
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Speaker 2: some leopard catching a bird or something on the sahara,
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Speaker 2: Like like and I and I I backed it up
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Speaker 2: and I go the ball was on the end of
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Speaker 2: the air for seven yards, Like how does a man
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Speaker 2: catch that? You know, So he's got an ability to
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Speaker 2: play the ball. He gets his hands on a lot
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Speaker 2: of pass defense and as I said, fifteen career uh interceptions.
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Speaker 2: Has got a lot of experience and and and the
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Speaker 2: athleticism he brings. What he lacks in wait, he makes
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Speaker 2: up for in his uh his his ability to catch up,
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Speaker 2: you know, cover ground and uh now he's he's not
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Speaker 2: an elite tackler in space. You know, sometimes he's a
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Speaker 2: little too technical, kind of breaks down, and that's not
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Speaker 2: a bad thing. Uh. The very best safeties just kind
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Speaker 2: of fly up and and just chop you down at
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Speaker 2: full speed. They never break down. I mean, let me,
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Speaker 2: let me explain what that means. In high school. If
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Speaker 2: you if you go watch a practice and you're teaching
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Speaker 2: young safeties, you have to do what's called breakdown. So
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Speaker 2: you come from depth. There's a guy out out in space.
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Speaker 2: You gotta drop your hips, you gotta widen your base,
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Speaker 2: and you gotta get you kind of got to slow
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Speaker 2: down and come under control to give yourself a chance
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Speaker 2: to make the tackle. The the the the contradiction is
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Speaker 2: that the very best safeties. You know, you watch Buddha
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Speaker 2: Baker play. You know, Buddha Baker comes flying. He he
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Speaker 2: ain't breaking down for nothing. He just takes the correct
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Speaker 2: angle and he's so fast, He's on you so fast.
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Speaker 2: He's gonna chop you down right, and and of course
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Speaker 2: he's an undersized safety, but just plays with this this
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Speaker 2: abandonment and you know, you know, breakdown, smakedown. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'm not breaking down for anything. So those the elite
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Speaker 2: guys have that ability. You know. Clark, you know, tends
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Speaker 2: to be more technical, you know, you know, come to balance,
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Speaker 2: get his feet wide and drop his hips, which is fundamental.
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Speaker 2: I know, I'm just it's dichotomous what I'm trying to convey.
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Speaker 2: But so I think he's very good, but not elite
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Speaker 2: tackling in space. But yeah, you get a cover guy,
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Speaker 2: high IQ ball skills, great versatility. Let me say it again,
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Speaker 2: great versatility. It's very important. The Seattle Seahawks had this
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Speaker 2: guy targeted at sixty four days in advance, days in advance,
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Speaker 2: and so yeah, they got the guy they wanted. Yeah Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Humilani with that's the Monday Morning Quarterback Draft edition here,
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Speaker 1: as we're going to recap all pretty much all the
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Speaker 1: eight to picks that the Seahawks ended up with by
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Speaker 1: the end of Saturday right here on the radio program.
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Speaker 1: The other player they got on Day two, Friday was
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Speaker 1: Julian Neal and apparently you have already struck up a
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Speaker 1: kinship with Julian Neil. I've heard the clips of your
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Speaker 1: exchange in his interview. So there was you know, there
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Speaker 1: was Cosell and Ali and now apparently there's Millan and
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Speaker 1: Julian Neil.
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Speaker 2: A's a deep bull and I know it. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if all of our listeners know it,
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Speaker 2: but I know exactly what you're talking. That's funny. But
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Speaker 2: you're a funny.
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Speaker 1: Guy off a long corner out of Arkansas. And I
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Speaker 1: know he's not an athletic doppel ganger to Reek Woland,
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Speaker 1: but he is a long corner and Riek Willand's loss
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Speaker 1: from this secondary you are going to have to match
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Speaker 1: up with some long receivers in the NFC West and
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Speaker 1: throughout the National Football League. So I'm not surprised they
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Speaker 1: went out there and got themselves a six foot two
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Speaker 1: inch six foot three inch corner. Can this guy play?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well, first of all, just a little bit
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Speaker 2: of a background on the exchange we had, so he
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Speaker 2: had already in the in the in the kind of
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Speaker 2: the media scrum, he had talked about playing off corner.
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Speaker 2: Somebody had asked him, Hey, you you play a lot
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Speaker 2: of off corner, you know, tell us about that. And
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Speaker 2: he had he had said, you know, he was talking about,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm really good at reading routes from off corner,
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Speaker 2: the progressions right as opposed to press right. When you
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Speaker 2: off corner, you're kind of you know, you're backed off,
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Speaker 2: as the name implies, and you're looking at the he says,
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Speaker 2: I'm reading the quarterback, I'm reading the offensive tackle. I'm
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Speaker 2: I'm reading you know, the formation. So he's he's talking
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Speaker 2: about the i Q that, by the way, is really
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Speaker 2: coveted by Mike McDonald, Like there no no dumb dumbs
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Speaker 2: allowed on a Mike McDonald defense. All right, period, end
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Speaker 2: of story. So if you if you, if you see
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Speaker 2: a guy get drafted by the Seahawks, and you can
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Speaker 2: promise the guys in the top quadrant of football i
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Speaker 2: Q for his position hard stop, like can can can
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Speaker 2: we can? We agree on that. And so he's talking
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Speaker 2: about all of his processing in the off corner and
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Speaker 2: which to me, you know a lot of guys that's
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Speaker 2: that's great, you know, but a lot of guys say,
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Speaker 2: I want the challenge of you know, bump and run,
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Speaker 2: you know, press coverage and what have you. So one
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Speaker 2: of the questions I like to ask these guys, whether
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Speaker 2: it's alignment or a running back or whatever it, say, hey,
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Speaker 2: when you get the huddle call, because I remember as
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Speaker 2: a player, you know you're looking to the sideline and
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Speaker 2: and you know you're looking for the call and then
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Speaker 2: you see the signal come in and there's that immediate
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Speaker 2: reaction like, hey, do I like this play or do
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Speaker 2: you have like a slight disappointment. I don't want that
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Speaker 2: one type of thing, right, So you know, I figure
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Speaker 2: all all players have that, you know, right when you
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Speaker 2: hear it in the huddle, are like, oh, yeah, this
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Speaker 2: is my play. You know, an offensive alignment if you're
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Speaker 2: the power and you're you know, you're gonna you're the
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Speaker 2: you're the guard and you're gonna pull behind and you're
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Speaker 2: gonna go fit up on the back, or you say
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Speaker 2: that's my favorite play, and then you learn something about him,
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Speaker 2: so you know it's kind of going, so, uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: what's what's your favorite play? Essentially was kind of what
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Speaker 2: I ask, and if if if there was a play
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Speaker 2: on the line, and and he starts to describe it,
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Speaker 2: and uh, and and then you know, I said, well,
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Speaker 2: do you want off coverage or press coverage because he
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Speaker 2: had already described all these things that he thinks he's
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Speaker 2: good at at off coverage, and then he says he says, no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: he said, hell no, you know, you know, I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure exactly. I'm sure Ashley has it, but it's like
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Speaker 2: i want, I'm up in your face, I'm i'm, I'm
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Speaker 2: pressing you, I'm jamming, you know, I'm you know wauch.
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Speaker 1: That.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So at an event, So what's the takeaway? He
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Speaker 2: feels like he's really good and how he can process
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Speaker 2: when he's off, but then he likes the challenge of
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Speaker 2: being on. And that's one of the things that the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks really like about him is that there's, as you said,
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Speaker 2: the length six one and five eights. He's in the
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Speaker 2: ninety second percent. Now he's not in one hundred percent
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Speaker 2: like Riek Wolan was, but you get the length and
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Speaker 2: and the arm length that there's been discussed so much
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Speaker 2: thirty two inches, the thirty two inch standard that the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks apparently had for so many years. Well, this guy
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Speaker 2: at thirty two and three quarters at arm length, that's
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Speaker 2: the eightieth percentile yet he can still run four four
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Speaker 2: nine fifty seconds, so he's in the top half and
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Speaker 2: his vertical of forty inches forty inches. I want to
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Speaker 2: see this guy in a dunk contest ninety second percentile.
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Speaker 2: So and understand this what Mike McDonald's looking at. He
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Speaker 2: wants more. He wants more fire coming downhill and run support.
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Speaker 2: He wants guys that when they they come up on
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Speaker 2: the flat, whether it's a screen pass or whether it's
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Speaker 2: a wide zone, whether it's a pinn and pull some
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Speaker 2: scheme that gets the ball outside the numbers. He he
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Speaker 2: wants corners just like with their hair on fire coming
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Speaker 2: up to smack that crap. And I think that that
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Speaker 2: they really like that's about And then the other part
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Speaker 2: is is that you know they need to be able
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Speaker 2: to cover the go route right like, like if that's
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Speaker 2: one trait you have to have, because that's hard to teach.
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Speaker 2: You know, you have to be able to, you know,
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Speaker 2: turn and go and be able to make a play
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Speaker 2: on the ball. So with his length and adequate speed
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Speaker 2: he showed on tape he can cover the go route.
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Speaker 2: The rest of it, you know, they can kind of
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Speaker 2: live with. I mean, in my tape study I think
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Speaker 2: he's a little bit slow in transition. When he back
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Speaker 2: pedals and then he reads it, I think it takes
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Speaker 2: him an extra step, or I think his balance is
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Speaker 2: a little bit too far back, so there's more weight
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Speaker 2: on his back foot when he tries to transition from
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Speaker 2: a back pedal to coming forward. Whether that can be fixed,
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Speaker 2: we'll see. But I think that it just seems a
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Speaker 2: little slow because I'm used to remember, now this is
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Speaker 2: my this is my process. I study all the first
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Speaker 2: rounders for the mock draft. I tell Rich, you know,
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Speaker 2: purple sheet, I'm like, don't expect me to be doing
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Speaker 2: all like that. The math doesn't add up, and there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys. This is another than one of
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Speaker 2: the things that chased me about these these mocked drafts.
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Speaker 2: Like melt Kuiper, i know, spends the whole year studying
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Speaker 2: these guys through seven rounds. Like like, so if you
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Speaker 2: say you can't really get a feel for a guy
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Speaker 2: unless you've studied them for you know, a minimum, you know,
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Speaker 2: I would say six, you know, four to six hours,
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Speaker 2: and and then it doesn't add up, like how are
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Speaker 2: you gonna how how unless you're like melk Kiper and
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Speaker 2: your Santa Claus and you work one day a year
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Speaker 2: and you work the rest of the year, you know,
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Speaker 2: making sure the elves have the toys like.
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Speaker 4: Another by the way, yeah yeah you see how we
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Speaker 4: did we played that? Yeah, yeah, you hit your line.
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Speaker 4: So but but mel Kiper, you know, and of course
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Speaker 4: he's the o G. But that to be a true
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Speaker 4: draft expert, you know, I don't know how long, Daniel
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Speaker 4: Jim Rohan, but you got to spend six months minimum
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Speaker 4: doing this stuff, right like, So, so somebody who just says,
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Speaker 4: well I'm gonna drop in and and do a seven
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Speaker 4: round mock draft, uh even though I'm covering another team
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Speaker 4: or whatever, you know, and think that they can in
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Speaker 4: two three weeks do this, then well you're not You're
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Speaker 4: not really studying those players. Maybe maybe chat GBT or
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Speaker 4: you know, or a thirty second highlights on youtubeer what.
20:21
Speaker 2: I don't know. But but in any event, the uh
20:26
Speaker 2: uh with with this this guy uh neil, he he
20:32
Speaker 2: can cover the go route and then all the rest
20:35
Speaker 2: of it they can teach and so the the the
20:40
Speaker 2: uh uh oh Getting back to my point, So I
20:43
Speaker 2: watch just the first round, guys. I tell I only
20:46
Speaker 2: watch first round guys, and then when the Seahawks get drafted,
20:49
Speaker 2: then I watch them, and so my my eyes are
20:52
Speaker 2: already in tuned to watching first rounders. So when I
20:55
Speaker 2: see mid rounders, you know, it generally pops off the
20:58
Speaker 2: tape pretty quickly. Oh so this is why the guy's
21:01
Speaker 2: not a first rounder, right, Like there's something that's preventing
21:04
Speaker 2: him from being a first rounder. And so in Julie
21:07
Speaker 2: and Neil, he looks like a first rounder in several aspects,
21:12
Speaker 2: but his transition doesn't. Yeah, it's a it's a it
21:16
Speaker 2: just it's it's not first roundish how he changes direction,
21:21
Speaker 2: which is why he's the third rounder. But you know what,
21:23
Speaker 2: how many how many Pro Bowls have been third rounder
21:25
Speaker 2: later at corner, you know, more than we could count. Yeah. Sure.
21:28
Speaker 1: Hugh mellan is with us our QB one. It's our
21:31
Speaker 1: Monday Morning Quarterback Draft Edition two hours with Hugh breaking
21:36
Speaker 1: down the draft picks. I'm sure we'll have more on
21:38
Speaker 1: Julian Neil coming up on the program, including maybe we'll
21:41
Speaker 1: hear a little bit of that clip that exchanged between
21:44
Speaker 1: Hugh and Julian as well. On the other side, I
21:47
Speaker 1: want to hear what Hugh has to say about Bo Stevens,
21:51
Speaker 1: the guy that the Seahawks traded a pick next year
21:54
Speaker 1: to get into this draft so that they could grab
21:56
Speaker 1: the Iowa card. So we'll do that next on Sports
21:59
Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three KRFM. Oh Yes, another Draftmas
22:15
Speaker 1: season comes to a successful end, and today we recap
22:19
Speaker 1: the National Football League Draft. The Seahawks part in it,
22:22
Speaker 1: certainly with our QB one Hugh Millan. It's a Monday
22:25
Speaker 1: Morning Quarterback Edition Draft Edition right here on Chuck and
22:31
Speaker 1: Buck in the Morning, Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
22:34
Speaker 2: I know it's sad to put.
22:35
Speaker 1: Away that Draftmas tree and all of those mel kiper
22:39
Speaker 1: cookie cutout things that you have that you bought at
22:42
Speaker 1: Amazon and had delivered this past year.
22:45
Speaker 2: I know it's difficult.
22:46
Speaker 1: I know it's hard, and I only get to where
22:48
Speaker 1: that tucks once a year, you know, so it's a
22:52
Speaker 1: little frustrating. I'd like to have another occasion as special
22:55
Speaker 1: as Draftmas to be able to wear it.
22:56
Speaker 2: And crack it out of the closet.
22:58
Speaker 1: But here we are on Monday, and we still have
23:01
Speaker 1: a lot to discuss from the National Football League Draft.
23:04
Speaker 1: The Seahawks, of course, had a pick in the first
23:08
Speaker 1: round on Thursday, they had two on Friday, which they used.
23:12
Speaker 1: They ended up picking up an extra pick on day
23:16
Speaker 1: number three by trading down three spots and grabbing Julian
23:19
Speaker 1: Neil out of Arkansas at ninety nine. But you know,
23:24
Speaker 1: Saturday was supposed to be slow, and instead John Schneider
23:27
Speaker 1: did his thing and he ends up with four picks
23:30
Speaker 1: on actually five, excuse me, five he ends up with
23:35
Speaker 1: on Saturday. We got Hugh Milling to break him down
23:38
Speaker 1: for you. And let's talk about Bo Stevens, Hugh the
23:41
Speaker 1: Guard out of Iowa six' five three point, fifteen because
23:45
Speaker 1: this was a decision to move a piece from next
23:48
Speaker 1: year to get into the fifth round in order to
23:51
Speaker 1: Get Bo. Stevens And I'LL i didn't watch any, film
23:56
Speaker 1: But i'm just assuming out Of iowa a part of
23:59
Speaker 1: All american. Line this guy's pretty fundamentally sound and quite
24:06
Speaker 1: a nice addition to your depth at the offensive.
24:09
Speaker 2: Line But i'm sure you got more information to. Share, well,
24:13
Speaker 2: YEAH i, think first of, all you go with the
24:15
Speaker 2: pick and the decision to trade. UP i THINK i
24:20
Speaker 2: think The seahawks had him as a third round, grade
24:23
Speaker 2: maybe close to fourth round, grade third to fourth at
24:27
Speaker 2: the latest from WHAT i. Understand and so as a general,
24:33
Speaker 2: rule when you, trade you, know give up a pick
24:37
Speaker 2: for next, year you have to give up it's one round.
24:41
Speaker 2: Ahead so if you want to draft in the fifth,
24:43
Speaker 2: round you got to give a, fourth et. Cetera, Right
24:46
Speaker 2: and that's generally how it plays. Out and you've heard
24:49
Speaker 2: that the general. Rules so that general rule did play.
24:52
Speaker 2: Out they give up a fourth for next. Year but
24:55
Speaker 2: remember they've got they got a lot more picks next,
24:57
Speaker 2: year they've got compensatory, picks and so they had, eleven
25:01
Speaker 2: they still have. Ten, yeah, Right and SO i think
25:06
Speaker 2: there's that. Piece then when you look AT i think
25:09
Speaker 2: it's really interesting when you look at a day, three
25:12
Speaker 2: why is a player a day? Three it's it's one
25:15
Speaker 2: of four. Things either he didn't have the production and
25:21
Speaker 2: uh that you would expect from his skill, set like you, want,
25:25
Speaker 2: okay his better, athlete like why didn't he? Produce why
25:28
Speaker 2: didn't he get more? Sacks you know? What why didn't
25:31
Speaker 2: he break more passes or you, know make more. Tackles
25:35
Speaker 2: and so there's there's that. One the second one would, be,
25:40
Speaker 2: oh he's very, productive but we don't think it. Translates
25:44
Speaker 2: whether that's because he's just from a small college or
25:46
Speaker 2: or there's just an athletic. Limitation so, yeah we see
25:50
Speaker 2: a really nice college player, here but don't think it's
25:54
Speaker 2: and then and then, there's, uh you, know two other
25:57
Speaker 2: factors injuries and character canns like, so so if if
26:02
Speaker 2: you got A day three, guy it's one or more of, those,
26:05
Speaker 2: Right So Bo, stevens he he goes into that second.
26:12
Speaker 2: Category the dude was extremely. Productive he's he was a
26:19
Speaker 2: first Team All, american first team Ap All. American he
26:24
Speaker 2: had zero, sacks zero hits on the, quarterback zero, penalties
26:30
Speaker 2: only four. Pressures. Uh and and he was part of
26:35
Speaker 2: a you Mentioned. Iowa they won The Joe Moore award
26:39
Speaker 2: the offensive. Line that's one that's that's arguably the best
26:44
Speaker 2: best award in. Football because the guys that are behind
26:48
Speaker 2: it and the guys who who vote on, that they
26:51
Speaker 2: there's about twenty, GUYS i, believe and they're they are
26:55
Speaker 2: all they all played or, coached and they watch tape
26:58
Speaker 2: and they meet and what have. YOU i know this
27:01
Speaker 2: it's a lot a lot more strict in their requirements
27:05
Speaker 2: Than Heisman, trophy you, Know and SO i know the
27:09
Speaker 2: people that are that are doing that they really dedicate.
27:13
Speaker 2: Themselves iowat wins The Joe Moore. Award you watch the,
27:16
Speaker 2: tape you look at. Him first thing you, see so
27:19
Speaker 2: you're looking at a great offensive. Line first thing you
27:21
Speaker 2: see that this Guy stevens. Had he has the widest
27:24
Speaker 2: ass and the lowest. Ass that's. Good, hey we want
27:28
Speaker 2: sand in the pants and we want ankle. Flexibility why
27:30
Speaker 2: do we want ankle flexibility because in theory then you
27:34
Speaker 2: can bend at the ankles to to get lower low
27:38
Speaker 2: man wins and you don't have to bend at the. Waist,
27:41
Speaker 2: Right so ankle flexibility is a real. Thing so just
27:44
Speaker 2: before they even snap the, ball where he is in his,
27:46
Speaker 2: snap how he looks his. Frame he's, great big heavy
27:50
Speaker 2: guys in the eighty six percent doll in. Height and
27:54
Speaker 2: as we, said the productions, There now here's the, thing you,
27:59
Speaker 2: KNOW i, mean he's a. Technician in the past, game
28:02
Speaker 2: he was playing along a, Center Logan, jones who was
28:09
Speaker 2: Uh he was the fifty seventh pick to The bears
28:11
Speaker 2: and he was An All american. Team so they had
28:14
Speaker 2: two first Team All, americans the left guard and the
28:17
Speaker 2: center For. Iowa and the center was helping Out bo
28:21
Speaker 2: stevens on on on their slide protection right handed. Quarterback
28:26
Speaker 2: if there's the defense is Only russian. Four now the
28:29
Speaker 2: left guard gets help from the center if he needs.
28:31
Speaker 2: It so so there you know that that that comes into.
28:34
Speaker 2: Play he had had the shortest arms at thirty one
28:37
Speaker 2: and an. Eighth he had a six percentile over the.
28:40
Speaker 2: Years he had this for this particular, year shortest arms
28:44
Speaker 2: and smallest hands of all twenty two guards in the.
28:47
Speaker 2: Combine so again the productions, there the question about whether
28:52
Speaker 2: or not he can it, translates you, know the reach
28:56
Speaker 2: the really athletic guys when you see him mirror and
29:01
Speaker 2: his foot his ladder foot quickness is just. Okay so
29:05
Speaker 2: he's got to be technically sound at the second. Level
29:08
Speaker 2: he's such he wants to be such a hammer and
29:11
Speaker 2: there's an aggression to, him is? It you, know he
29:14
Speaker 2: gets out there in, space he wants to knockout. Punch
29:18
Speaker 2: his temperament is writing checks that his feet can't. Cast
29:22
Speaker 2: he like sometimes you see him get out off balance
29:25
Speaker 2: when have you and he'll. Miss AND i think that
29:28
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that that, uh that will
29:32
Speaker 2: be in. Question now he's a smart. Guy he'll take the,
29:35
Speaker 2: coaching and they'll they'll coach that aggressiveness to, say, hey
29:38
Speaker 2: let's throttle that. Down we just talked about cornerbacks and
29:43
Speaker 2: deep defensive backs having to come to. Balance you, know
29:45
Speaker 2: you gotta you gottah lower your, base widen your, feet
29:49
Speaker 2: and and be in a position to. React AND i
29:51
Speaker 2: think that they'll they'll teach him. That but but at an,
29:54
Speaker 2: event those are some of the thoughts about. Him, finally
29:58
Speaker 2: uh he you, know he played left guard and called
30:02
Speaker 2: six hundred and eighty two snaps last, year six twelve
30:04
Speaker 2: none at right. GUARD i had to go back to
30:06
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two tape where he had three hundred
30:09
Speaker 2: and eighty seven at right. Guard he was starting right.
30:12
Speaker 2: Guard think about. That that's like being a freshman. Now
30:15
Speaker 2: he had because he's A covid. GUY i, mean he's
30:18
Speaker 2: a five year, guy played five, years but only eight
30:23
Speaker 2: snaps in twenty twenty. Two BUT i went back watching
30:25
Speaker 2: The Ohio state tape and some others of him at right.
30:27
Speaker 2: Guard he was he was thinner and back. Then but
30:29
Speaker 2: think about, that that's twenty twenty. Two he's obviously not
30:33
Speaker 2: playing left guard for The Seattle. Seahawks right he's gonna.
30:36
Speaker 2: Be so you're taking a guy that over the last
30:40
Speaker 2: two seasons has twelve twelve hundred and ninety four snaps
30:48
Speaker 2: at at left guard And zerra at right. Guard and,
30:53
Speaker 2: so you, know we'll see he says that that he
30:56
Speaker 2: prefers going to his right. More you, KNOW i mean
31:03
Speaker 2: that there's gonna be plenty of plays where he has
31:05
Speaker 2: to go to his right and plenty of plays they
31:07
Speaker 2: asked to go to his. Left i'm not gonna get
31:08
Speaker 2: into all, that but nasty, temperament very productive in college
31:13
Speaker 2: at a big time. Conference of, course part of a
31:18
Speaker 2: group of players that had a high standard won that.
31:20
Speaker 2: Award so we'll just see do the short arms and the,
31:25
Speaker 2: oh by the, way of the slowest miles of all
31:29
Speaker 2: the athletes at the combine one hundred and eighty nine
31:32
Speaker 2: players random, forty HIS gps of eighteen and a half
31:36
Speaker 2: miles an hour was the slowest out of one eighty.
31:38
Speaker 2: Nine so there's some athletic limitations to the. Guy but
31:42
Speaker 2: he was a hell of a college football. Player and
31:44
Speaker 2: this is one of those if you love the, draft
31:46
Speaker 2: AND i Know Chuck powell loves the, draft you know
31:49
Speaker 2: this is one of those. Things is this is, like,
31:52
Speaker 2: hey you were really great in, college but we see
31:55
Speaker 2: these physical limitations that we think are going to prevent
31:58
Speaker 2: you from being great in the. Pros that's why you're
32:01
Speaker 2: going in the fifth. Round fascinating to see how he,
32:04
Speaker 2: plays you, know with all these factors.
32:07
Speaker 1: In forty five, seconds could he play some? CENTER i,
32:10
Speaker 1: mean could he be like a sixth man to you
32:13
Speaker 1: on the interior, Front Josh jones on the, outside but
32:16
Speaker 1: maybe he could he profile at all with his experience
32:19
Speaker 1: and his wisdom and his fundamentally sound. Nature could he
32:23
Speaker 1: actually transition to center at some?
32:25
Speaker 2: Point? YEAH i, think good. Question you don't see centers
32:28
Speaker 2: that tall. Often he did get some snaps at The
32:30
Speaker 2: Senior bowl at, centers you, know with with with the
32:34
Speaker 2: eye to what you're asking. ABOUT i don't want to
32:37
Speaker 2: plan a flag on that and say, absolutely BUT i
32:40
Speaker 2: think it's been experimented and and that would be a.
32:46
Speaker 2: Natural certainly they're gonna, try you, know we're gonna see
32:49
Speaker 2: first first and. Foremost can he present a challenge To Anthony? Bradford,
32:54
Speaker 2: yeah you, know but then then you, see, okay can
32:57
Speaker 2: He if he can't, start then he needs to be
32:59
Speaker 2: a verset inside, players and that usually means you've got
33:03
Speaker 2: to be able to play center in a. Pens, yeah all,
33:05
Speaker 2: Right Hugh millan is with.
33:06
Speaker 1: Us It's Monday Morning Quarterback draft edition right here On
33:09
Speaker 1: Sports radio ninety three point THREE. Kjrfm we will continue
33:13
Speaker 1: with the breakdown of The seahawks eight picks Next Sports.
33:17
Speaker 2: Radio ninety three point THREE.
33:18
Speaker 1: Kjrfm supposed to be an easy assignment over the.
33:26
Speaker 3: Weekend he had already done all of his work on
33:29
Speaker 3: all the first rounders And Bud clark And Julian neil no,
33:33
Speaker 3: sweat and then all of a, Sudden John schneider decided
33:36
Speaker 3: to make thirty eight trades On saturday and doubled up the.
33:40
Speaker 2: Workloads so we.
33:42
Speaker 1: Still in our draft edition Of Monday Morning quarterback have
33:45
Speaker 1: the day three maneuverings Of John schneider to go over
33:50
Speaker 1: sixth Rounder Emmanuel henderson junior out Of, kansas and then
33:54
Speaker 1: in the seventh round he ended up with. Three he
33:56
Speaker 1: didn't have any seventh round. Picks he ended up with
33:58
Speaker 1: three of. Them Andre fuller cornerback out Of, Toledo Devin
34:01
Speaker 1: eastern defensive tackle out Of, minnesota And Michael dansby cornerback
34:06
Speaker 1: out Of.
34:06
Speaker 2: Arizona.
34:08
Speaker 1: Hugh let's get Into henderson, here the wide receiver out Of.
34:12
Speaker 1: Kansas kind of sounds like there's some special team stuff
34:16
Speaker 1: with this, guy but he had some production at the college.
34:20
Speaker 2: Level yeah he. DID i mean you watch his his
34:23
Speaker 2: wide receiver. TAPE i mean there's there's a lack of,
34:27
Speaker 2: polish you, know in his. ROUTES i don't think he's
34:32
Speaker 2: terribly instinctive tracking the, ball you, know watching verticals that
34:37
Speaker 2: the ball seems to get up on him and then
34:39
Speaker 2: next seeing he he doesn't really track where it's. Going
34:44
Speaker 2: kind of sometimes, often you, KNOW i think his hands
34:47
Speaker 2: don't look. Natural SO i think the wide receiver piece
34:50
Speaker 2: is pretty. Raw but The special team's piece is off
34:55
Speaker 2: the charts right like great, GUNNER i mean. FAST i
35:00
Speaker 2: think they were at twenty two six or something on
35:05
Speaker 2: the miles per hour fastest gunner return. GUY i think
35:10
Speaker 2: this is one of those those deals Where, harba the,
35:14
Speaker 2: uh The Special teams, coach is you, know, delighted and
35:19
Speaker 2: you you kind of throw him a cookie and say
35:21
Speaker 2: who's your? Guy who do you? Want and, uh and
35:24
Speaker 2: then he comes with This henderson and, said all, right
35:27
Speaker 2: let's let's, uh let's get you your. Guy you, know
35:29
Speaker 2: it's kind of that type of thing in the in
35:31
Speaker 2: these these meeting, rooms you, know to keep everybody placated
35:35
Speaker 2: and and and so you, know that's what you get with. Him. Now,
35:39
Speaker 2: NOW i, Thought, chuck about these seventh. Rounders you, KNOW
35:43
Speaker 2: i think that maybe some of them in a in
35:46
Speaker 2: a different year might have thought to have been free.
35:50
Speaker 2: Agents and you, know this is one of the problems pardon,
35:54
Speaker 2: me with being the sea the Super bowl champion, is
36:00
Speaker 2: but agents they don't want to send their guy to
36:03
Speaker 2: the Super bowl. Champions they just figure it's going to
36:05
Speaker 2: be a lot harder to make a. Team and so
36:09
Speaker 2: some of this wheeling and dealing where you see why
36:11
Speaker 2: why Is snyder so enamored with so many seventh. Rounders,
36:15
Speaker 2: well it's kind of, like rather than just have to
36:20
Speaker 2: deal with the headache of trying to sign these guys
36:23
Speaker 2: as undrafted free, agent let's just go draft them so
36:26
Speaker 2: that there ares we can get them into. Camp and
36:28
Speaker 2: it looks have had a great history with undrafted free
36:32
Speaker 2: agents and and, uh you, know probably more so than
36:35
Speaker 2: than with seventh. Rounders you, Know Chris carson is the seventh,
36:39
Speaker 2: rounder but for every seventh rounder that you could, name
36:41
Speaker 2: that did Something i'll name you ten that didn't you,
36:44
Speaker 2: know so so almost in your mind think of it
36:48
Speaker 2: as as free agents that you lock down to a
36:52
Speaker 2: Super bowl, champ so you don't have to haggle with
36:54
Speaker 2: the the, uh the agent who wants to take them
36:57
Speaker 2: to The Cleveland browns to go make a.
36:58
Speaker 1: Team Andre fuller was also taking the seventh. Round that's
37:02
Speaker 1: somebody they brought in for a. VISIT i put him
37:04
Speaker 1: in the draft miss catalog as somebody that maybe they
37:07
Speaker 1: would be interested in based on the fact that they
37:10
Speaker 1: brought him in for a. Visit sounds like a skilled.
37:13
Speaker 1: Guy athleticism might be the question.
37:15
Speaker 2: Here, YEAH i MEAN I i just think he's you,
37:21
Speaker 2: know just you, know not terribly, big not not terribly.
37:25
Speaker 2: Fast you. KNOW i THINK i think there's some aggression
37:29
Speaker 2: there that you. Like but you, know as you look
37:33
Speaker 2: at a seventh, rounder you, know you don't see a
37:35
Speaker 2: lot of size or or. Quickness, uh you, know you
37:39
Speaker 2: do see a tenacity there that that's probably the parts
37:43
Speaker 2: that you like the. Most but you, know it's it's
37:45
Speaker 2: it's gonna be battle for.
37:47
Speaker 1: And Devin eastern defensive tackle lot Of. Minnesota Michael dan's
37:51
Speaker 1: be cornerback out Of. Arizona we might as well throw
37:54
Speaker 1: them into this pot here to close out the. Hour
37:58
Speaker 1: anything stand out about either of those, Guys, Well.
38:01
Speaker 2: I'll start With. Dansby, dansby you, know kind of maybe
38:05
Speaker 2: got lost with the. Corn you, know they had a
38:06
Speaker 2: really good Secondary, arizona The, wildcats and and, uh this
38:12
Speaker 2: was a guy again kind of mid level size and athletic.
38:16
Speaker 2: TRADES i would say the guy of the defensive of
38:21
Speaker 2: the of the seventh. Rounders for me watching the, tape
38:27
Speaker 2: the one THAT i, thought whoa this guy's seventh? ROUNDER
38:31
Speaker 2: i Thought Devin Eastern, eastern that the defensive. Tackle now
38:38
Speaker 2: he's he's runs a five one to five that's the eighteenth.
38:42
Speaker 2: Percentile his vert was only the fifteenth. Percentile big dude,
38:46
Speaker 2: though three fifteen that's the eighty eighth. Percentile and you,
38:50
Speaker 2: know so he's a run. Stuffer but, yeah you KNOW
38:54
Speaker 2: i saw more quickness and shoot the. Gaps of, course
38:58
Speaker 2: he played in The big, ten so you see him
39:00
Speaker 2: playing against some pretty good. COMPETITION i, mean he you,
39:05
Speaker 2: know his most impressive play was Against Rhode. Island all,
39:09
Speaker 2: Right i'm not going to really file, that BUT i
39:11
Speaker 2: saw a number of times where he was able to you,
39:15
Speaker 2: know shoot a gap, penetrate beat big ten linemen get
39:19
Speaker 2: to the. Quarterback and so of the, THREE i was
39:23
Speaker 2: most surprised that he's available in the seventh. Round SO
39:28
Speaker 2: i think he's got a chance to make. It you, know,
39:31
Speaker 2: originally as you, know he would be a rotational if
39:34
Speaker 2: he has a chance to get varsity, snaps it's going
39:37
Speaker 2: to be as a rotational interior player on first and
39:41
Speaker 2: second down run stopping, downs you, know and and you
39:44
Speaker 2: want to have have some rotation for those guys because
39:48
Speaker 2: the big guys get, tired you, know maybe you play
39:50
Speaker 2: as you, know Early september and you're playing in in
39:55
Speaker 2: some heat and what. Haveing you need to rotate those
39:58
Speaker 2: big guys a little bit. More and maybe he comes
40:00
Speaker 2: alive in a situation like. That BUT i was surprised
40:03
Speaker 2: he was available in the seventh. ROUND i saw more you,
40:06
Speaker 2: know potency from. Him you, know not a great, athlete
40:10
Speaker 2: but showed enough twitch at a time THAT i would
40:12
Speaker 2: have thought he would have gone earlier in the. Draft all, Right, WELL.
40:15
Speaker 1: I think we've analyzed them all here On chuck And,
40:19
Speaker 1: buck and so now we get a chance to in
40:21
Speaker 1: our final hour kind of go over maybe some national,
40:25
Speaker 1: reactions SOME Nfc west, reaction and also to look back To,
40:28
Speaker 1: Thursday Jadarian, price what kind of fit he is in
40:33
Speaker 1: our next segment and just kind of an overview how
40:36
Speaker 1: did The seahawks do at the twenty twenty SIX Nfl
40:39
Speaker 1: draft through the lens of OUR qb One Hugh. Millen
40:42
Speaker 1: we'll continue Our Monday Morning Quarterback draft edition next On
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