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Toronto to LA to Atlanta Music Scenes · Music Explored Podcast

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  I
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  feel
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  like
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  my
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  goal
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  with
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  the
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  Black
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  Lotus
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  Media
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  Group
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  is
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  to
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  really
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  tie
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  in,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  creatives
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  that
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  I
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  know
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  in
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  Toronto
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  with
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  the
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  creatives
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  that
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  I
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  know
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  that
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  are
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  in
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  LA
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  and
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  that
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  are
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  in
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  Atlanta
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  and
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  really
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  just
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  bridge
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  the
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  gap
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  between
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  everybody.
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  Because
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  I
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  feel
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  like
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  I'll
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  meet
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  artists
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  who
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  are
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  like,
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  oh,
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  I
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  don't
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  have
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  a
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  stylist,
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  so
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  I
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  don't
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  have
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  a
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  photographer.
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  And
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  I'm
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  like,
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  what?
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  But
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  you're
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  assigned
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  to
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  a
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  major
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  label.
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  How
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  do
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  you
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  not
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  have
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  somebody
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  that
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  you
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  can
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  just
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  call
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  to
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  say,
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  hey,
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  I
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  need
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  to
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  do
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  this,
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  or,
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  like.
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  Or
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  just
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  assistance
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  for
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  things.
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  Right.
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  That
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  need
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  to,
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  you
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  know,
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  just
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  bring
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  things
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  together
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  or
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  shed
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  light
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  on
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  stuff
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  and
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  shed
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  light
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  on
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  stuff,
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  and
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  they
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  don't
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  have
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  that.
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  But
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  in
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  Toronto,
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  I
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  know,
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  like,
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  six
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  stylists
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  I
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  can
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  call
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  in
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  a
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  minute
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  and
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  say,
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  hey,
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  what
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  do
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  you
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  need?
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  You
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  know,
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  And.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  just
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  a
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  blessing
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  of
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  being
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  from
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  a
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  city
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  where
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  everybody
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  is
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  just
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  tapped
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  into
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  their
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  art
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  and
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  not
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  looking
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  for
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  a
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  million
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  dollars
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  every
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  time.
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  And
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  I'm
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  not
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  saying
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  that
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  artists
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  shouldn't
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  be
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  paid
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  or
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  creatives
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  shouldn't
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  be
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  paid,
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  but
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  there's
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  a
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  different
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  hunger
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  from
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  Canadian
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  artists
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  and
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  a
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  different
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  hunger
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  from
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  the
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  creatives
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  that
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  live
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  here.
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  So
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  that's
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  really
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  my
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  goal,
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  is
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  to
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  kind
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  of
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  connect
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  the
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  dots
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  between
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  the
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  two.
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  That's
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  great.
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  But
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  I
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  would
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  definitely
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  come
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  back
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  and
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  do
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  something.
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  For
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  sure.
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  I
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  love
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  that.
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  I
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  love
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  that.
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  And
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  I
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  mean,
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  that's
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  a
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  great
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  answer.
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  That's
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  exciting
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  for
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  us.
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  We
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  would
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  love
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  to
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  have
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  you
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  back.
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  Yeah.
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  You're
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  welcome
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  back
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  anytime.
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  Open
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  arms.
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  So
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  we
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  kind
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  of
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  jumped.
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  I
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  mean,
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  there's
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  a
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  lot
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  that
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  we
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  still
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  about.
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  We
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  kind
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  of
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  jumped
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  right,
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  like,
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  into
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  the
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  middle
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  of
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  your
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  career.
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  Let's
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  maybe
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  just
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  rewind
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  quickly
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  just
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  so
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  we
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  can
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  get
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  some
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  insight
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  and
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  context.
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  How
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  did
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  you
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  even
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  get
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  started
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  in
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  music?
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  I
• 1:37
  got
• 1:37
  started
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  in.
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  Well,
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  my
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  dad
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  is
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  a
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  musician,
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  so
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  he
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  was
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  always
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  the
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  person,
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  like,
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  playing.
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  And
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  my
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  mom.
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  Well,
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  my
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  dad
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  was
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  a
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  musician,
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  but
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  my
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  mom
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  was
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  the
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  one
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  that
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  was
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  always
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  playing
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  music
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  around
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  the
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  house.
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  So
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  it
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  was
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  something
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  really
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  just
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  born
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  into.
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  But
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  on
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  a
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  professional
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  level,
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  I
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  was
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  actually
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  at
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  school
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  one
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  day
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  and
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  I
• 1:57
  was
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  in
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  detention
• 1:58
  class
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  and
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  I
• 1:58
  had
• 1:58
  a
• 1:59
  supply
• 2:00
  teacher
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  who
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  was
• 2:01
  like,
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  what
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  are
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  you
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  writing
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  in
• 2:02
  your
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  book?
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  And
• 2:03
  I
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  was
• 2:03
  like,
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  I'm
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  writing
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  songs.
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  I'm
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  sick.
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  You
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  know,
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  just
• 2:07
  being
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  a
• 2:07
  crazy
• 2:07
  kid
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  in
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  grade
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  five.
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  And
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  he
• 2:09
  was
• 2:09
  like,
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  really?
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  And
• 2:11
  he,
• 2:11
  funny
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  enough,
• 2:12
  was
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  also
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  an
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  actor
• 2:14
  and
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  had
• 2:15
  been
• 2:15
  in
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  several
• 2:16
  movies
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  and
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  did
• 2:17
  a
• 2:17
  lot
• 2:17
  of
• 2:17
  work
• 2:17
  in
• 2:18
  la.
• 2:18
  And
• 2:18
  he's
• 2:18
  like,
• 2:18
  well,
• 2:18
  I
• 2:19
  know
• 2:19
  a
• 2:19
  few
• 2:19
  people.
• 2:20
  And
• 2:20
  he
• 2:20
  started
• 2:21
  introducing
• 2:21
  me
• 2:21
  to
• 2:23
  different
• 2:23
  management
• 2:24
  teams.
• 2:25
  And
• 2:26
  that's
• 2:26
  when
• 2:26
  it
• 2:26
  got
• 2:26
  started.
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  So
• 2:27
  my
• 2:27
  first
• 2:28
  big
• 2:28
  thing
• 2:29
  was
• 2:29
  like,
• 2:30
  auditioning
• 2:30
  for
• 2:30
  3LW
• 2:31
  before
• 2:32
  it
• 2:32
  even
• 2:32
  became
• 2:33
  3LW.
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  And
• 2:34
  then
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  because
• 2:35
  I
• 2:35
  wasn't
• 2:35
  an
• 2:35
  American,
• 2:36
  I
• 2:36
  couldn't
• 2:36
  stay.
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  And
• 2:37
  when
• 2:37
  I
• 2:38
  got
• 2:38
  back,
• 2:38
  that's
• 2:38
  when
• 2:39
  I
• 2:39
  joined
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  Exquisite.
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  So
• 2:40
  that's
• 2:41
  when
• 2:41
  everything
• 2:41
  kind
• 2:41
  of
• 2:41
  started.
• 2:42
  So
• 2:42
  it
• 2:42
  was
• 2:42
  pretty
• 2:43
  early
• 2:43
  on
• 2:44
  in
• 2:44
  my
• 2:44
  life,
• 2:45
  you
• 2:45
  know,
• 2:45
  12,
• 2:45
  13
• 2:46
  years
• 2:46
  old,
• 2:46
  traveling
• 2:47
  and
• 2:48
  being
• 2:48
  able
• 2:48
  to,
• 2:48
  like,
• 2:48
  you
• 2:49
  know,
• 2:49
  be
• 2:49
  in
• 2:49
  studios
• 2:50
  and
• 2:50
  meet
• 2:50
  different
• 2:50
  writers
• 2:51
  and
• 2:51
  producers.
• 2:52
  So
• 2:52
  that's
• 2:52
  really
• 2:52
  where
• 2:52
  it
• 2:53
  stemmed
• 2:53
  from.
• 2:54
  Just,
• 2:55
  you
• 2:55
  know,
• 2:55
  my
• 2:56
  supply
• 2:56
  teacher.
• 2:58
  That's
• 2:58
  really
• 2:58
  where
• 2:58
  it
• 2:59
  started.
• 2:59
  And
• 2:59
  when
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  did
• 3:00
  you
• 3:00
  kind
• 3:00
  of
• 3:00
  start
• 3:01
  dabbling
• 3:01
  into
• 3:01
  producing
• 3:03
  your
• 3:03
  own
• 3:03
  music?
• 3:05
  Oh,
• 3:05
  I
• 3:06
  say
• 3:06
  from
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  beginning
• 3:07
  because
• 3:08
  I
• 3:08
  really
• 3:08
  started
• 3:08
  writing
• 3:09
  music
• 3:09
  at
• 3:09
  around
• 3:09
  12.
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  And
• 3:10
  because
• 3:10
  I
• 3:10
  played
• 3:11
  piano,
• 3:11
  it
• 3:11
  was
• 3:11
  something
• 3:12
  that
• 3:12
  just
• 3:12
  came
• 3:12
  hand
• 3:12
  in
• 3:13
  hand.
• 3:13
  So
• 3:14
  I
• 3:14
  started.
• 3:14
  But
• 3:15
  it
• 3:15
  didn't.
• 3:15
  When
• 3:16
  it
• 3:16
  came
• 3:16
  to,
• 3:16
  like,
• 3:16
  on
• 3:16
  a
• 3:17
  professional
• 3:17
  level
• 3:17
  of
• 3:17
  producing,
• 3:18
  it
• 3:18
  wasn't
• 3:19
  until
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  Exquisite
• 3:21
  project.
• 3:22
  Yeah,
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  started
• 3:22
  producing
• 3:23
  on
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  actual
• 3:23
  first
• 3:24
  album.
• 3:24
  A
• 3:25
  lot
• 3:25
  of
• 3:25
  people
• 3:25
  don't
• 3:25
  know,
• 3:25
  like,
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  produced
• 3:26
  on
• 3:26
  the
• 3:26
  first
• 3:26
  Exquisite
• 3:27
  album,
• 3:28
  wrote
• 3:28
  a
• 3:29
  lot
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  the
• 3:29
  first
• 3:30
  album.
• 3:30
  And
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  guess
• 3:32
  because
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  group
• 3:33
  had
• 3:33
  disbanded
• 3:33
  prior
• 3:34
  to
• 3:34
  the
• 3:34
  release
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  the
• 3:35
  project,
• 3:35
  so
• 3:36
  there
• 3:36
  was
• 3:36
  like
• 3:36
  different
• 3:36
  people
• 3:37
  on
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  COVID
• 3:37
  and
• 3:37
  things
• 3:38
  like
• 3:38
  that,
• 3:39
  a
• 3:39
  lot
• 3:39
  of
• 3:39
  that
• 3:40
  just
• 3:40
  kind
• 3:40
  of
• 3:40
  fell
• 3:40
  to
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  wayside,
• 3:41
  so.
• 3:42
  And
• 3:42
  I
• 3:42
  guess
• 3:42
  because
• 3:43
  it
• 3:43
  was
• 3:43
  weird
• 3:43
  how
• 3:43
  everything
• 3:44
  kind
• 3:44
  of
• 3:44
  fell
• 3:44
  apart.
• 3:45
  It
• 3:45
  was
• 3:45
  never
• 3:45
  something
• 3:46
  that
• 3:47
  I
• 3:47
  felt
• 3:48
  proud
• 3:49
  of
• 3:49
  until
• 3:49
  I
• 3:50
  got
• 3:50
  older
• 3:50
  and
• 3:51
  realized
• 3:51
  what
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  was
• 3:51
  doing
• 3:52
  at
• 3:52
  that
• 3:52
  age,
• 3:53
  you
• 3:53
  know?
• 3:54
  Yeah.
• 3:56
  Wow,
• 3:57
  that's.
• 3:58
  It's
• 3:58
  interesting
• 3:58
  how
• 3:59
  you
• 4:00
  had
• 4:00
  that
• 4:00
  teacher
• 4:00
  in
• 4:00
  fifth
• 4:01
  grade
• 4:02
  and
• 4:02
  kind
• 4:02
  of
• 4:03
  mentioned
• 4:03
  LA
• 4:03
  and
• 4:04
  had
• 4:04
  those
• 4:04
  connections
• 4:04
  there,
• 4:05
  and
• 4:05
  that's
• 4:05
  kind
• 4:05
  of
• 4:05
  where
• 4:06
  you
• 4:06
  ended
• 4:06
  up.
• 4:06
  Now,
• 4:06
  did
• 4:07
  you
• 4:07
  at
• 4:07
  the
• 4:07
  time
• 4:08
  have
• 4:08
  dreams
• 4:08
  of
• 4:09
  being
• 4:09
  in
• 4:10
  that
• 4:10
  place
• 4:10
  or
• 4:11
  in
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  States
• 4:11
  or
• 4:12
  anything
• 4:12
  like
• 4:12
  that?
• 4:12
  Oh,
• 4:12
  100.
• 4:13
  As
• 4:13
  soon
• 4:13
  as
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  got
• 4:13
  off
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  plane,
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  was
• 4:14
  like,
• 4:15
  Bombay.
• 4:16
  It
• 4:16
  was
• 4:16
  like.
• 4:17
  It
• 4:17
  was
• 4:18
  as
• 4:18
  soon
• 4:18
  as
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  was
• 4:19
  12.
• 4:51
  And
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  never
• 4:51
  forget
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  got
• 4:52
  off
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  plane
• 4:53
  and
• 4:53
  it
• 4:53
  was
• 4:53
  like
• 4:53
  the
• 4:53
  sun
• 4:54
  was
• 4:54
  going
• 4:54
  down.
• 4:54
  I
• 4:55
  just
• 4:55
  saw.
• 4:55
  It
• 4:55
  was
• 4:55
  just
• 4:55
  beautiful.
• 4:56
  And
• 4:56
  I'm
• 4:56
  like,
• 4:56
  I'm
• 4:57
  going
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  live
• 4:57
  here.
• 4:57
  This
• 4:58
  is
• 4:58
  where
• 4:58
  I
• 4:58
  want
• 4:58
  to
• 4:58
  be.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  it
• 4:59
  took
• 5:00
  some
• 5:00
  time,
• 5:00
  but,
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  know,
• 5:01
  definitely
• 5:02
  manifested
• 5:02
  it.
• 5:03
  So
• 5:03
  I'm
• 5:03
  here.
• 5:04
  Yeah.
• 5:05
  Yeah.
• 5:05
  What
• 5:06
  was
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  hardest
• 5:06
  part
• 5:07
  about
• 5:07
  moving
• 5:07
  out
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  la?
• 5:09
  Sorry.
• 5:09
  The
• 5:09
  best
• 5:10
  part.
• 5:10
  Yeah.
• 5:12
  Besides
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  weather,
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  feel
• 5:14
  like
• 5:15
  just
• 5:15
  being
• 5:15
  able
• 5:15
  to
• 5:17
  be
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  close
• 5:18
  proximity
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  people
• 5:19
  that
• 5:19
  I
• 5:20
  wanting.
• 5:21
  I've
• 5:21
  been
• 5:21
  wanting
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  work
• 5:22
  with
• 5:22
  or
• 5:22
  like,
• 5:23
  just,
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  know,
• 5:24
  you
• 5:24
  can
• 5:24
  be
• 5:24
  on
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  street
• 5:25
  and
• 5:25
  bump
• 5:25
  into
• 5:25
  like
• 5:25
  Lil
• 5:26
  Boozy
• 5:26
  or
• 5:26
  just,
• 5:27
  you
• 5:27
  know,
• 5:27
  just
• 5:27
  random
• 5:28
  things.
• 5:29
  But
• 5:29
  it's,
• 5:29
  for
• 5:30
  me,
• 5:30
  more
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  LA
• 5:31
  is
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  different.
• 5:32
  It's
• 5:32
  the
• 5:33
  energy
• 5:33
  that
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  feel
• 5:34
  Toronto
• 5:35
  needs.
• 5:36
  You
• 5:36
  know,
• 5:36
  people
• 5:36
  are
• 5:37
  here
• 5:37
  and
• 5:37
  they
• 5:37
  are
• 5:39
  not
• 5:39
  holding
• 5:40
  back
• 5:40
  on
• 5:40
  their
• 5:40
  creativity
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  not
• 5:41
  holding
• 5:41
  back
• 5:42
  on
• 5:42
  shining
• 5:42
  their
• 5:42
  light.
• 5:43
  And
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  think
• 5:45
  Toronto,
• 5:45
  sometimes
• 5:46
  people
• 5:47
  get
• 5:47
  into
• 5:47
  this
• 5:48
  mindset
• 5:49
  where
• 5:49
  they
• 5:50
  fear
• 5:50
  that
• 5:50
  if
• 5:50
  they
• 5:51
  shine
• 5:51
  too
• 5:51
  bright,
• 5:52
  it
• 5:52
  might
• 5:52
  be
• 5:53
  a
• 5:53
  bad
• 5:53
  thing
• 5:54
  or
• 5:54
  if
• 5:54
  they,
• 5:55
  you
• 5:55
  know,
• 5:55
  or
• 5:56
  they're
• 5:56
  worried
• 5:56
  about
• 5:56
  other
• 5:57
  people's
• 5:57
  insecurities.
• 5:58
  And
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  think
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  we
• 5:59
  have
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  learn
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  embrace
• 6:00
  each
• 6:00
  other
• 6:01
  in
• 6:01
  Toronto
• 6:02
  more
• 6:02
  and
• 6:03
  start,
• 6:03
  you
• 6:03
  know,
• 6:03
  shedding
• 6:04
  light
• 6:04
  on
• 6:04
  other
• 6:05
  artists
• 6:05
  more
• 6:06
  and
• 6:06
  really
• 6:06
  helping
• 6:06
  each
• 6:06
  other
• 6:07
  more
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  create
• 6:07
  an
• 6:08
  infrastructure
• 6:08
  that
• 6:09
  is
• 6:09
  as
• 6:09
  strong
• 6:10
  as
• 6:10
  being
• 6:11
  Hollywood.
• 6:11
  You
• 6:12
  know,
• 6:12
  everybody
• 6:12
  knows
• 6:12
  Hollywood
• 6:13
  for
• 6:13
  being
• 6:13
  that
• 6:13
  place
• 6:14
  where
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  can
• 6:14
  come
• 6:14
  and
• 6:15
  like
• 6:15
  really
• 6:16
  change
• 6:16
  your
• 6:16
  life.
• 6:17
  And
• 6:17
  Toronto
• 6:18
  is
• 6:18
  that
• 6:18
  place
• 6:18
  too,
• 6:18
  but
• 6:19
  we
• 6:19
  just
• 6:19
  haven't
• 6:19
  gotten
• 6:20
  there
• 6:20
  yet.
• 6:22
  So
• 6:22
  you've
• 6:22
  been
• 6:23
  listening
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  probably
• 6:24
  heard
• 6:24
  me
• 6:24
  say
• 6:24
  the
• 6:25
  DNA
• 6:25
  project
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  your
• 6:26
  entertainment
• 6:27
  agency
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  wondered,
• 6:28
  what
• 6:28
  does
• 6:28
  that
• 6:29
  even
• 6:29
  mean?
• 6:29
  Well,
• 6:29
  let
• 6:29
  me
• 6:30
  tell
• 6:30
  you,
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  DNA
• 6:31
  project
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  essentially
• 6:32
  your
• 6:32
  one
• 6:32
  stop
• 6:33
  shop
• 6:33
  for
• 6:33
  all
• 6:33
  of
• 6:33
  your
• 6:34
  live
• 6:34
  music
• 6:34
  needs.
• 6:35
  Anything
• 6:35
  from
• 6:35
  a
• 6:36
  corporate
• 6:36
  gala,
• 6:37
  large
• 6:37
  or
• 6:37
  small,
• 6:37
  weddings,
• 6:38
  recording
• 6:38
  sessions,
• 6:39
  or
• 6:39
  even
• 6:39
  just
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  romantic
• 6:40
  guitar
• 6:41
  serenade
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  a
• 6:41
  loved
• 6:41
  one.
• 6:42
  They
• 6:42
  got
• 6:42
  you
• 6:42
  covered.
• 6:43
  Not
• 6:43
  only
• 6:44
  that,
• 6:44
  they
• 6:44
  make
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  process
• 6:45
  so
• 6:45
  simple
• 6:45
  that
• 6:45
  it
• 6:46
  really
• 6:46
  takes
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  stress
• 6:46
  out
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  planning.
• 6:47
  Check
• 6:48
  them
• 6:48
  out
• 6:48
  online.
• 6:49
  The
• 6:49
  DNAProject
• 6:50
  CA
• 6:51
  bomb.
• 6:53
  What.
• 6:54
  What
• 6:54
  needs
• 6:55
  to
• 6:55
  change
• 6:55
  for
• 6:56
  Canadian
• 6:56
  artists
• 6:56
  to
• 6:57
  be
• 6:57
  able
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  thrive
• 6:57
  within
• 6:58
  Canada,
• 6:58
  would
• 6:58
  you
• 6:58
  say?
• 7:01
  A
• 7:02
  lot.
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  feel
• 7:03
  within,
• 7:04
  with
• 7:05
  other
• 7:05
  artists
• 7:06
  collaborating
• 7:07
  with
• 7:07
  other
• 7:07
  artists,
• 7:08
  other
• 7:08
  artists
• 7:09
  being
• 7:09
  unafraid
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  share
• 7:11
  their
• 7:11
  journeys
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  the
• 7:13
  realities
• 7:13
  of
• 7:14
  this
• 7:14
  industry,
• 7:14
  I
• 7:15
  think
• 7:15
  is
• 7:15
  a
• 7:15
  lot
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  smoke
• 7:16
  and
• 7:16
  mirror
• 7:16
  games.
• 7:16
  I
• 7:17
  think
• 7:17
  there's
• 7:17
  a
• 7:17
  lot
• 7:17
  of,
• 7:18
  you
• 7:18
  know,
• 7:18
  people
• 7:19
  pretending
• 7:19
  to
• 7:19
  be
• 7:20
  living
• 7:20
  a
• 7:20
  lifestyle
• 7:20
  that
• 7:20
  they're
• 7:21
  not
• 7:21
  living.
• 7:21
  But
• 7:22
  I
• 7:22
  mean,
• 7:22
  if
• 7:22
  we're
• 7:23
  talking
• 7:23
  about
• 7:23
  streaming
• 7:24
  numbers,
• 7:24
  if
• 7:24
  we're
• 7:24
  talking
• 7:25
  about
• 7:25
  like,
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  know,
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  things
• 7:27
  that
• 7:27
  are
• 7:27
  really
• 7:27
  going
• 7:27
  on
• 7:28
  with
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  labels,
• 7:29
  we
• 7:29
  know
• 7:29
  what
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  reality
• 7:30
  is.
• 7:31
  So
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  think
• 7:32
  it's
• 7:32
  coming
• 7:33
  to
• 7:33
  this
• 7:33
  realization,
• 7:34
  like,
• 7:34
  guys,
• 7:34
  we
• 7:35
  have
• 7:35
  the
• 7:36
  capabilities
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  being
• 7:37
  New
• 7:37
  York,
• 7:37
  Atlanta
• 7:38
  and
• 7:38
  la.
• 7:39
  How
• 7:39
  do
• 7:40
  we
• 7:40
  do
• 7:40
  this?
• 7:40
  And
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  think
• 7:41
  it
• 7:41
  starts
• 7:41
  with
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  creatives
• 7:43
  coming
• 7:43
  together
• 7:43
  and
• 7:44
  being
• 7:45
  unafraid
• 7:45
  to
• 7:46
  share
• 7:46
  and
• 7:47
  being
• 7:47
  unafraid
• 7:48
  to
• 7:48
  barter
• 7:49
  and,
• 7:51
  you
• 7:51
  know,
• 7:51
  uplift
• 7:52
  each
• 7:52
  other
• 7:52
  without
• 7:53
  hesitation.
• 7:55
  Wow.
• 7:56
  And
• 7:56
  that
• 7:57
  happens
• 7:57
  a
• 7:57
  lot
• 7:57
  in
• 7:57
  la.
• 7:58
  It's
• 7:58
  not
• 7:59
  competitive
• 7:59
  out
• 8:00
  there.
• 8:00
  It
• 8:01
  is
• 8:01
  very
• 8:01
  competitive,
• 8:02
  but
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  feel
• 8:03
  like
• 8:04
  I've
• 8:04
  been
• 8:05
  able
• 8:05
  to.
• 8:05
  And
• 8:06
  not
• 8:06
  just
• 8:06
  me.
• 8:07
  Like
• 8:07
  even
• 8:08
  we
• 8:09
  did
• 8:09
  a
• 8:10
  writers
• 8:10
  camp
• 8:11
  last
• 8:12
  year
• 8:12
  and
• 8:12
  it
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  was
• 8:14
  living
• 8:14
  here
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  another
• 8:15
  producer
• 8:15
  was
• 8:15
  already
• 8:16
  living
• 8:16
  here,
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  they
• 8:17
  flew
• 8:17
  out
• 8:18
  eight
• 8:19
  other
• 8:19
  artists
• 8:20
  from
• 8:20
  Canada
• 8:21
  to
• 8:21
  la.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  feel
• 8:23
  like
• 8:23
  just
• 8:24
  being
• 8:24
  in
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  room
• 8:25
  with
• 8:25
  that
• 8:25
  energy
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  Toronto,
• 8:26
  but
• 8:27
  being
• 8:27
  in
• 8:27
  la,
• 8:27
  I'm
• 8:27
  like,
• 8:28
  this
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  the
• 8:28
  perfect
• 8:28
  combination,
• 8:29
  you
• 8:30
  know,
• 8:30
  of.
• 8:31
  Of
• 8:31
  that.
• 8:31
  Of
• 8:31
  that
• 8:32
  feeling
• 8:32
  of
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  sound
• 8:33
  and
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  energy
• 8:34
  from
• 8:35
  Toronto,
• 8:35
  but
• 8:35
  then
• 8:35
  being
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  a
• 8:36
  place
• 8:36
  where
• 8:36
  everybody
• 8:37
  is,
• 8:37
  like,
• 8:37
  uplifting
• 8:38
  each
• 8:38
  other.
• 8:39
  Now,
• 8:39
  if
• 8:39
  I'm
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  Toronto
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  writer's
• 8:41
  camp
• 8:41
  had
• 8:41
  habit.
• 8:42
  I'm
• 8:42
  sorry,
• 8:42
  I
• 8:42
  don't
• 8:43
  know
• 8:43
  if
• 8:43
  there's.
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  don't
• 8:44
  know
• 8:44
  if
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  turnout
• 8:44
  would
• 8:44
  have
• 8:44
  been
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  same.
• 8:45
  I
• 8:45
  don't
• 8:45
  know
• 8:45
  if
• 8:45
  the
• 8:46
  energy
• 8:46
  would
• 8:46
  have
• 8:46
  been
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  same,
• 8:47
  because
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  feel
• 8:48
  like
• 8:48
  people
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  Toronto,
• 8:50
  we
• 8:50
  are
• 8:50
  unfortunately
• 8:51
  put
• 8:51
  in
• 8:51
  the
• 8:52
  position
• 8:52
  where
• 8:52
  we
• 8:52
  think
• 8:53
  that
• 8:53
  there's
• 8:53
  scarcity
• 8:54
  and
• 8:54
  we
• 8:54
  think
• 8:54
  that
• 8:54
  there's
• 8:54
  not
• 8:54
  enough
• 8:55
  to
• 8:55
  go
• 8:55
  around,
• 8:55
  but
• 8:55
  there's
• 8:56
  a
• 8:56
  bucket.
• 8:57
  Yeah,
• 8:57
  yeah.
• 8:58
  But
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  don't.
• 8:58
  It's
• 8:58
  not
• 8:59
  us.
• 8:59
  I
• 8:59
  don't
• 8:59
  believe
• 8:59
  it's
• 9:00
  us.
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  once
• 9:00
  again
• 9:01
  bring
• 9:01
  it
• 9:01
  back
• 9:01
  to
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  executive
• 9:02
  level.
• 9:02
  It's.
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  believe
• 9:03
  they're
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  ones
• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
  make
• 9:04
  it
• 9:04
  seem
• 9:05
  like,
• 9:05
  all
• 9:05
  right,
• 9:05
  guys,
• 9:06
  one
• 9:06
  rapper
• 9:06
  at
• 9:06
  a
• 9:07
  time,
• 9:07
  one
• 9:08
  singer
• 9:08
  at
• 9:08
  a
• 9:08
  time.
• 9:09
  That's
• 9:09
  not
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  case.
• 9:10
  And
• 9:10
  in
• 9:10
  la,
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  know,
• 9:11
  I've
• 9:12
  walked
• 9:12
  into
• 9:12
  rooms
• 9:12
  and
• 9:13
  they
• 9:13
  embrace
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  because
• 9:14
  you're
• 9:14
  from
• 9:14
  Toronto
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  because
• 9:15
  we
• 9:15
  have
• 9:15
  the
• 9:16
  sound
• 9:16
  and
• 9:16
  because
• 9:16
  we
• 9:17
  have
• 9:17
  this
• 9:17
  vibe.
• 9:18
  So
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  think
• 9:19
  Toronto
• 9:19
  just
• 9:19
  needs
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  recognize
• 9:21
  who
• 9:21
  we
• 9:21
  are
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  what
• 9:22
  we
• 9:22
  come
• 9:22
  with
• 9:22
  and
• 9:22
  just
• 9:22
  embrace
• 9:23
  each
• 9:23
  other.
• 9:24
  That's.
• 9:25
  You're
• 9:25
  right.
• 9:25
  Yeah.
• 9:26
  I
• 9:26
  mean,
• 9:26
  it's
• 9:26
  happening
• 9:27
  slowly,
• 9:28
  but
• 9:28
  you're
• 9:28
  right
• 9:29
  about
• 9:29
  that.
• 9:29
  It
• 9:29
  seems
• 9:30
  like
• 9:31
  even
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  way
• 9:31
  that
• 9:32
  we
• 9:32
  see
• 9:32
  ourselves,
• 9:32
  it's
• 9:33
  kind
• 9:33
  of
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  one
• 9:33
  at
• 9:33
  a
• 9:34
  time,
• 9:34
  wait
• 9:34
  for
• 9:34
  your
• 9:34
  turn
• 9:35
  kind
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  thing.
• 9:35
  Right.
• 9:36
  You
• 9:36
  don't
• 9:36
  generally
• 9:37
  have
• 9:37
  multiple
• 9:39
  breakout
• 9:39
  artists
• 9:40
  doing
• 9:40
  things
• 9:40
  across
• 9:41
  different
• 9:41
  genres
• 9:41
  at
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  same
• 9:42
  time
• 9:42
  here
• 9:42
  either.
• 9:43
  Yeah,
• 9:43
  yeah.
• 9:44
  So
• 9:45
  that's.
• 9:45
  That's
• 9:46
  interesting,
• 9:47
  the.
• 9:48
  Did
• 9:48
  you
• 9:48
  find
• 9:49
  that
• 9:49
  sort
• 9:49
  of
• 9:49
  resistance
• 9:50
  here?
• 9:51
  Because
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  know
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  mentioned
• 9:52
  that
• 9:52
  there's
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  lot
• 9:52
  of
• 9:52
  support
• 9:52
  in
• 9:53
  la.
• 9:53
  Did
• 9:53
  you
• 9:53
  find
• 9:53
  the
• 9:54
  opposite
• 9:54
  when
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  were
• 9:54
  here
• 9:55
  in
• 9:55
  Toronto?
• 9:56
  No.
• 9:56
  Toronto
• 9:57
  was
• 9:57
  definitely
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  birth
• 9:57
  of
• 9:58
  Injury
• 9:58
  to
• 9:58
  Mill.
• 9:58
  You
• 9:59
  know,
• 10:00
  when
• 10:00
  I
• 10:00
  started
• 10:00
  off,
• 10:01
  like,
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  city
• 10:01
  embraced
• 10:02
  me
• 10:02
  and
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  was
• 10:02
  like,
• 10:03
  wow.
• 10:04
  Like,
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  know,
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  never.
• 10:05
  I
• 10:06
  didn't
• 10:06
  know
• 10:06
  that
• 10:06
  people
• 10:07
  were
• 10:07
  paying
• 10:07
  attention.
• 10:08
  And
• 10:08
  then
• 10:08
  when
• 10:08
  I
• 10:09
  realized
• 10:09
  they
• 10:09
  were,
• 10:09
  and
• 10:10
  the
• 10:10
  support
• 10:10
  that
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  had,
• 10:11
  it
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  different
• 10:12
  from
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  artists
• 10:13
  that
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  knew
• 10:14
  and
• 10:14
  supported
• 10:15
  that
• 10:15
  came
• 10:15
  before
• 10:16
  me,
• 10:16
  like
• 10:17
  Toronto
• 10:17
  slowly
• 10:19
  opening
• 10:19
  up
• 10:20
  more
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  our
• 10:21
  own
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  our
• 10:21
  own
• 10:22
  sound
• 10:22
  coming
• 10:23
  up.
• 10:23
  There
• 10:24
  was
• 10:24
  some
• 10:24
  resistance
• 10:24
  in
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  beginning,
• 10:26
  and
• 10:27
  that
• 10:27
  was
• 10:27
  mainly
• 10:27
  from
• 10:27
  people
• 10:28
  who
• 10:28
  were
• 10:28
  doing
• 10:28
  things
• 10:28
  in
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  old
• 10:29
  school
• 10:29
  way
• 10:29
  and
• 10:30
  didn't
• 10:30
  want
• 10:30
  to
• 10:31
  see
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  city
• 10:33
  grow.
• 10:33
  But
• 10:34
  amongst
• 10:34
  my
• 10:35
  peers,
• 10:35
  amongst
• 10:35
  other
• 10:36
  musicians,
• 10:36
  amongst
• 10:37
  other
• 10:37
  artists,
• 10:38
  no,
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  feel
• 10:38
  like
• 10:38
  they
• 10:39
  welcomed
• 10:40
  me
• 10:40
  with
• 10:40
  open
• 10:40
  arms.
• 10:41
  So
• 10:42
  that
• 10:42
  was,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:43
  it's
• 10:43
  definitely
• 10:43
  politics
• 10:44
  a
• 10:44
  lot
• 10:44
  of
• 10:44
  times
• 10:44
  when
• 10:45
  it
• 10:45
  comes
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  that,
• 10:46
  when
• 10:46
  it
• 10:46
  comes
• 10:46
  to
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  industry,
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  not
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  music.
• 10:49
  Got
• 10:49
  you.
• 10:49
  Yeah,
• 10:50
  okay,
• 10:50
  thanks
• 10:51
  for
• 10:51
  clarifying
• 10:51
  that.
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  guess
• 10:52
  it
• 10:52
  sounds
• 10:52
  like
• 10:52
  there's
• 10:53
  kind
• 10:53
  of
• 10:53
  a
• 10:53
  glass
• 10:53
  ceiling
• 10:54
  almost
• 10:55
  effect
• 10:55
  when
• 10:55
  you're
• 10:56
  coming
• 10:56
  from
• 10:56
  Toronto.
• 10:57
  Right.
• 10:59
  Also,
• 11:00
  I
• 11:00
  wanted
• 11:00
  you
• 11:01
  to
• 11:01
  mention
• 11:01
  or
• 11:01
  talk
• 11:02
  about
• 11:02
  something
• 11:02
  else
• 11:02
  here
• 11:03
  because
• 11:03
  you
• 11:03
  mentioned
• 11:03
  collaborations
• 11:04
  and
• 11:04
  support.
• 11:05
  Can
• 11:06
  you
• 11:06
  tell
• 11:06
  us
• 11:06
  about
• 11:07
  some
• 11:07
  of
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  major
• 11:08
  collaborations
• 11:08
  you've
• 11:08
  done?
• 11:09
  I'm
• 11:09
  going
• 11:09
  to
• 11:09
  name
• 11:09
  a
• 11:09
  few
• 11:09
  of
• 11:10
  them.
• 11:10
  I
• 11:10
  hope
• 11:10
  you
• 11:10
  don't
• 11:10
  mind.
• 11:12
  You've
• 11:12
  collaborated
• 11:13
  with
• 11:13
  people
• 11:13
  like
• 11:13
  Drake,
• 11:14
  Future
• 11:15
  French
• 11:15
  Montano,
• 11:16
  dmx,
• 11:17
  Johnny
• 11:17
  Gill,
• 11:19
  the
• 11:20
  list
• 11:20
  goes.
• 11:20
  Seems
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  go
• 11:21
  on
• 11:21
  as
• 11:21
  well.
• 11:22
  So
• 11:22
  how
• 11:22
  did
• 11:23
  some
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  those
• 11:23
  opportunities
• 11:24
  come
• 11:24
  to
• 11:24
  be
• 11:24
  and
• 11:25
  what
• 11:25
  impact
• 11:25
  have
• 11:26
  they
• 11:26
  had
• 11:26
  on
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  as
• 11:27
  an
• 11:27
  artist?
• 11:29
  I
• 11:29
  think
• 11:30
  every
• 11:30
  situation
• 11:31
  has
• 11:31
  been
• 11:32
  different.
• 11:35
  I
• 11:35
  feel
• 11:35
  like
• 11:36
  with
• 11:36
  when
• 11:36
  it
• 11:37
  came
• 11:37
  down
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  stuff
• 11:38
  that
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  did
• 11:38
  with
• 11:39
  Drake,
• 11:39
  that
• 11:39
  was
• 11:39
  just
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  bunch
• 11:40
  of
• 11:40
  kids
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  room
• 11:41
  trying
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  make
• 11:42
  dope
• 11:42
  music.
• 11:43
  You
• 11:43
  know,
• 11:43
  we
• 11:44
  were
• 11:44
  all
• 11:44
  just
• 11:45
  vibing
• 11:45
  and
• 11:46
  creating
• 11:46
  and
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  songs
• 11:47
  that
• 11:47
  we
• 11:47
  did
• 11:48
  together,
• 11:48
  like,
• 11:49
  there's
• 11:49
  plenty
• 11:50
  more,
• 11:50
  but
• 11:50
  the
• 11:50
  ones
• 11:50
  that
• 11:51
  were
• 11:51
  released,
• 11:52
  those
• 11:52
  were
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  few
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  were
• 11:54
  a
• 11:55
  feeling
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  Toronto
• 11:56
  needs
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  hear.
• 11:56
  And
• 11:56
  that's
• 11:56
  why
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  records
• 11:57
  came
• 11:57
  out,
• 11:58
  because
• 11:58
  we
• 11:58
  actually
• 11:58
  recorded
• 11:59
  them
• 11:59
  twice.
• 12:00
  Last
• 12:00
  Hope,
• 12:01
  Closer
• 12:03
  and
• 12:04
  what's
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  other
• 12:04
  one?
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  can't
• 12:05
  remember.
• 12:06
  But
• 12:06
  anyways,
• 12:07
  we
• 12:07
  recorded
• 12:07
  them
• 12:07
  twice
• 12:08
  and
• 12:09
  that's
• 12:09
  because
• 12:09
  he
• 12:09
  wanted
• 12:10
  to
• 12:10
  do
• 12:10
  something
• 12:10
  that
• 12:10
  was
• 12:11
  different
• 12:11
  and
• 12:12
  kind
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  representative
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  the
• 12:13
  city
• 12:13
  and
• 12:14
  where
• 12:14
  we
• 12:14
  were
• 12:14
  going,
• 12:16
  how
• 12:17
  it
• 12:17
  changed.
• 12:18
  It
• 12:18
  changed,
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  think,
• 12:19
  because
• 12:20
  especially
• 12:20
  with
• 12:20
  him
• 12:20
  being
• 12:21
  like
• 12:21
  breakthrough
• 12:22
  first
• 12:23
  of
• 12:23
  Toronto,
• 12:24
  people
• 12:24
  were
• 12:24
  paying
• 12:24
  attention
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  everybody
• 12:25
  that
• 12:26
  was
• 12:26
  in
• 12:26
  close
• 12:26
  proximity.
• 12:27
  So
• 12:28
  for
• 12:28
  me,
• 12:28
  being
• 12:28
  close
• 12:29
  within
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  camp
• 12:29
  and
• 12:30
  knowing
• 12:30
  it
• 12:30
  helped
• 12:31
  me
• 12:31
  to
• 12:31
  grow
• 12:32
  and
• 12:32
  build,
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  know,
• 12:33
  and
• 12:34
  eventually,
• 12:34
  like
• 12:35
  do
• 12:35
  a
• 12:35
  publishing
• 12:35
  deal
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  things
• 12:36
  like
• 12:36
  that.
• 13:22
  So
• 13:23
  that
• 13:23
  was
• 13:23
  major,
• 13:23
  you
• 13:24
  know,
• 13:24
  shout
• 13:24
  outs
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  Boy
• 13:25
  and
• 13:25
  Drake
• 13:25
  for
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  because,
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  know,
• 13:26
  these
• 13:27
  guys
• 13:27
  were
• 13:27
  definitely
• 13:29
  super
• 13:29
  talented,
• 13:30
  super
• 13:30
  young
• 13:30
  and
• 13:31
  knew
• 13:31
  where
• 13:31
  they
• 13:31
  were
• 13:31
  going.
• 13:32
  The
• 13:33
  DMX
• 13:33
  situation,
• 13:34
  funny
• 13:34
  enough,
• 13:34
  was
• 13:35
  random.
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  was
• 13:36
  sitting
• 13:36
  in
• 13:36
  my
• 13:36
  living
• 13:37
  room
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  I'm
• 13:37
  seeing
• 13:37
  DMX
• 13:38
  on
• 13:39
  this
• 13:39
  music
• 13:39
  video
• 13:39
  on
• 13:40
  bet
• 13:40
  and
• 13:40
  I'm
• 13:40
  like,
• 13:40
  wait
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  second,
• 13:41
  that's
• 13:41
  my
• 13:41
  voice.
• 13:42
  Hold
• 13:42
  up.
• 13:43
  And
• 13:43
  he.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:44
  the
• 13:45
  funny
• 13:45
  thing
• 13:45
  is
• 13:45
  that
• 13:46
  he
• 13:46
  had
• 13:46
  found
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  song,
• 13:47
  not
• 13:47
  knowing
• 13:47
  it
• 13:47
  was
• 13:48
  Drake
• 13:48
  and
• 13:48
  hit
• 13:49
  up
• 13:49
  Rich
• 13:49
  Kid
• 13:49
  who
• 13:49
  produced
• 13:50
  it.
• 13:50
  And
• 13:50
  that
• 13:50
  was
• 13:50
  the
• 13:50
  Last
• 13:51
  Hope
• 13:51
  record
• 13:51
  and
• 13:52
  was
• 13:52
  like,
• 13:52
  hey,
• 13:52
  can
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  flip
• 13:53
  this?
• 13:53
  And
• 13:53
  he
• 13:54
  did
• 13:54
  A
• 13:54
  whole
• 13:54
  music
• 13:54
  video.
• 13:55
  And
• 13:56
  I'm
• 13:56
  sitting
• 13:56
  in
• 13:56
  my
• 13:56
  living
• 13:57
  room
• 13:57
  with
• 13:57
  my
• 13:57
  mom
• 13:57
  and
• 13:57
  my
• 13:57
  dad.
• 13:58
  I'm
• 13:58
  like,
• 13:58
  what
• 13:58
  is
• 13:58
  going
• 13:59
  on
• 13:59
  here?
• 14:00
  And
• 14:00
  then
• 14:00
  I
• 14:01
  went
• 14:01
  to
• 14:01
  work
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  couple
• 14:02
  days
• 14:02
  later,
• 14:02
  and
• 14:02
  he
• 14:02
  called
• 14:03
  me
• 14:03
  on
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  phone,
• 14:04
  and
• 14:04
  then
• 14:05
  I'm
• 14:05
  like,
• 14:05
  wow.
• 14:06
  Yeah.
• 14:06
  And
• 14:06
  he
• 14:06
  called
• 14:06
  me
• 14:06
  and
• 14:07
  was
• 14:07
  like,
• 14:07
  I
• 14:07
  need
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  couple
• 14:07
  more
• 14:07
  records.
• 14:08
  And
• 14:08
  I
• 14:08
  was
• 14:08
  like,
• 14:08
  okay,
• 14:10
  wait
• 14:11
  a
• 14:11
  second.
• 14:11
  Who's
• 14:11
  this?
• 14:13
  It
• 14:13
  was
• 14:13
  so
• 14:14
  random.
• 14:15
  It
• 14:15
  was
• 14:15
  so
• 14:15
  random.
• 14:16
  And
• 14:16
  then
• 14:17
  we
• 14:17
  ended
• 14:17
  up
• 14:17
  doing
• 14:18
  Cold
• 14:19
  World
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  no
• 14:20
  Love
• 14:20
  for
• 14:20
  the
• 14:21
  dmx.
• 14:23
  Oh,
• 14:24
  don't
• 14:24
  quote
• 14:24
  me
• 14:24
  on
• 14:24
  this.
• 14:25
  Is
• 14:25
  it
• 14:25
  the
• 14:25
  Evolution
• 14:25
  album?
• 14:26
  I
• 14:26
  can't
• 14:26
  remember.
• 14:26
  My
• 14:27
  memory's
• 14:27
  not
• 14:27
  great.
• 14:28
  But
• 14:28
  anyways,
• 14:28
  yes.
• 14:29
  The
• 14:29
  DMX
• 14:29
  project
• 14:30
  that
• 14:30
  really
• 14:30
  just
• 14:31
  came
• 14:31
  out
• 14:31
  from
• 14:31
  him
• 14:32
  finding
• 14:32
  that
• 14:33
  record.
• 14:33
  And
• 14:34
  I
• 14:34
  think
• 14:34
  it's
• 14:35
  funny,
• 14:35
  a
• 14:35
  lot
• 14:35
  of
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  collaborations
• 14:36
  I've
• 14:37
  done
• 14:37
  have
• 14:37
  been
• 14:37
  people
• 14:37
  finding
• 14:38
  me.
• 14:38
  Like,
• 14:38
  I
• 14:38
  did
• 14:39
  a
• 14:39
  record
• 14:39
  with
• 14:39
  Saigon,
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  that's
• 14:40
  because
• 14:40
  he
• 14:40
  found
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  original
• 14:42
  version
• 14:42
  and
• 14:42
  was
• 14:42
  like,
• 14:43
  I
• 14:43
  want
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  do
• 14:43
  my
• 14:43
  own
• 14:44
  version
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  your
• 14:44
  song.
• 14:44
  And
• 14:45
  French
• 14:45
  Montana
• 14:46
  was
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  same
• 14:47
  thing.
• 14:47
  Like,
• 14:47
  we
• 14:47
  did
• 14:47
  Raining
• 14:48
  in
• 14:48
  Harlem.
• 14:49
  Sorry.
• 14:49
  We
• 14:49
  did
• 14:49
  Raining
• 14:49
  in
• 14:50
  Toronto,
• 14:50
  and
• 14:50
  then
• 14:50
  we
• 14:50
  ended
• 14:50
  up
• 14:51
  doing
• 14:51
  Raining
• 14:51
  in
• 14:51
  Harlem
• 14:52
  with
• 14:52
  Dame
• 14:52
  Grease
• 14:52
  in
• 14:53
  French
• 14:54
  Montana.
• 14:54
  And
• 14:54
  the
• 14:55
  Future
• 14:55
  stuff
• 14:55
  was
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  same
• 14:56
  thing.
• 14:56
  Found
• 14:57
  me
• 14:57
  on
• 14:57
  YouTube
• 14:57
  singing
• 14:58
  some
• 14:58
  future
• 14:58
  records,
• 14:59
  and
• 14:59
  just,
• 14:59
  like,
• 15:01
  people
• 15:01
  just
• 15:01
  tend
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  find
• 15:02
  me.
• 15:02
  I
• 15:02
  don't
• 15:02
  know
• 15:02
  how,
• 15:03
  but
• 15:04
  a
• 15:04
  lot
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  these
• 15:05
  times,
• 15:05
  that's
• 15:05
  how
• 15:05
  these
• 15:06
  collaborations
• 15:07
  grow,
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  know,
• 15:08
  Just
• 15:08
  staying
• 15:09
  online
• 15:09
  and
• 15:10
  refining
• 15:11
  me.
• 15:11
  Yeah.
• 15:12
  Just,
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  know,
• 15:15
  so.
• 15:15
  Yeah,
• 15:15
  well,
• 15:16
  just.
• 15:16
  Yeah,
• 15:16
  just
• 15:16
  putting
• 15:17
  yourself
• 15:17
  out
• 15:17
  there,
• 15:17
  I
• 15:18
  guess,
• 15:18
  is
• 15:19
  one
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  the.
• 15:20
  I
• 15:20
  guess
• 15:20
  one
• 15:20
  of
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  big
• 15:21
  takeaways
• 15:21
  from
• 15:21
  that
• 15:22
  for
• 15:22
  myself.
• 15:23
  Right.
• 15:23
  You
• 15:23
  got
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  be
• 15:23
  available.
• 15:24
  Yeah.
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  don't
• 15:24
  know
• 15:24
  how
• 15:24
  I
• 15:25
  hear
• 15:25
  these
• 15:25
  stories,
• 15:25
  how
• 15:26
  DMX
• 15:27
  just
• 15:27
  calls
• 15:27
  you.
• 15:27
  I'm
• 15:28
  just,
• 15:28
  how
• 15:28
  do
• 15:28
  these
• 15:28
  people
• 15:29
  get
• 15:29
  your
• 15:29
  number?
• 15:29
  They
• 15:30
  have
• 15:30
  some
• 15:30
  crazy
• 15:30
  accents.
• 15:31
  He
• 15:31
  got
• 15:31
  my
• 15:32
  number.
• 15:32
  It's
• 15:32
  funny
• 15:32
  thing
• 15:32
  is,
• 15:33
  he
• 15:33
  got
• 15:33
  my
• 15:33
  number
• 15:33
  from
• 15:33
  Rich
• 15:34
  Kid,
• 15:34
  and
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  didn't
• 15:35
  even
• 15:35
  know
• 15:36
  any
• 15:36
  of
• 15:36
  this
• 15:36
  stuff
• 15:36
  was
• 15:36
  going
• 15:37
  on,
• 15:37
  like,
• 15:38
  at
• 15:38
  all.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:39
  then
• 15:39
  he.
• 15:40
  Because
• 15:40
  actually,
• 15:40
  when
• 15:41
  I
• 15:41
  saw
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  video
• 15:41
  on
• 15:41
  bet,
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  called
• 15:42
  Rich
• 15:42
  Kid,
• 15:43
  and
• 15:43
  I
• 15:43
  was
• 15:43
  like,
• 15:43
  do
• 15:43
  you
• 15:43
  know
• 15:43
  about
• 15:44
  this?
• 15:44
  And
• 15:44
  he
• 15:44
  was
• 15:44
  like,
• 15:45
  not
• 15:45
  really.
• 15:46
  Like,
• 15:46
  what
• 15:47
  do
• 15:47
  you
• 15:47
  mean,
• 15:47
  not
• 15:47
  really?
• 15:48
  And
• 15:48
  then
• 15:49
  that's
• 15:49
  when.
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  mean,
• 15:50
  we
• 15:50
  didn't
• 15:50
  really
• 15:50
  speak
• 15:51
  about
• 15:51
  it.
• 15:51
  It
• 15:51
  was
• 15:51
  cool.
• 15:51
  I
• 15:52
  didn't
• 15:52
  really
• 15:52
  care.
• 15:52
  It
• 15:52
  was
• 15:53
  more
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  just
• 15:53
  like,
• 15:53
  this
• 15:53
  is
• 15:53
  dope.
• 15:54
  I
• 15:54
  love
• 15:54
  dmx.
• 15:55
  And
• 15:55
  then
• 15:55
  he
• 15:56
  called
• 15:56
  me
• 15:56
  at
• 15:56
  work
• 15:58
  and.
• 15:59
  Yeah.
• 15:59
  And
• 15:59
  I
• 16:00
  kind
• 16:00
  of
• 16:00
  really
• 16:00
  just
• 16:00
  changed
• 16:01
  my
• 16:01
  mentality
• 16:02
  when
• 16:02
  it
• 16:02
  came
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  production
• 16:03
  and
• 16:04
  writing,
• 16:04
  because
• 16:05
  having
• 16:05
  to
• 16:06
  sit
• 16:06
  down
• 16:06
  and
• 16:07
  craft
• 16:07
  two
• 16:07
  records
• 16:08
  for
• 16:08
  him
• 16:09
  alongside
• 16:09
  Snazz
• 16:10
  was
• 16:10
  definitely
• 16:11
  something
• 16:11
  that
• 16:12
  we
• 16:12
  were
• 16:12
  like,
• 16:12
  oh,
• 16:12
  my
• 16:12
  God.
• 16:13
  Okay,
• 16:13
  we're
• 16:13
  recording
• 16:14
  and
• 16:14
  creating
• 16:14
  for
• 16:15
  Darkman
• 16:16
  X.
• 16:16
  What
• 16:16
  do
• 16:17
  we
• 16:17
  do?
• 16:18
  You
• 16:18
  know,
• 16:19
  so
• 16:19
  it
• 16:19
  was.
• 16:19
  It
• 16:19
  was
• 16:20
  really,
• 16:20
  really
• 16:21
  interesting,
• 16:21
  but,
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  know,
• 16:24
  I
• 16:24
  guess.
• 16:24
  That
• 16:24
  crazy.
• 16:25
  Yeah.
• 16:25
  Yeah.
• 16:26
  You
• 16:26
  know,
• 16:26
  showing
• 16:26
  me
• 16:26
  I
• 16:26
  was
• 16:27
  in
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  right
• 16:27
  place,
• 16:28
  doing
• 16:28
  what
• 16:28
  I
• 16:28
  needed
• 16:28
  to
• 16:28
  do.
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  loved
• 16:30
  your
• 16:30
  impression
• 16:30
  of
• 16:30
  him,
• 16:30
  by
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  way.
• 16:32
  Oh,
• 16:33
  my
• 16:33
  gosh,
• 16:33
  man.
• 16:34
  He's.
• 16:34
  The
• 16:34
  way
• 16:34
  that
• 16:35
  he
• 16:35
  raps
• 16:35
  is
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  way
• 16:36
  that
• 16:36
  he
• 16:36
  talks.
• 16:37
  It's.
• 16:37
  It's
• 16:38
  crazy.
• 16:39
  It's
• 16:39
  cool,
• 16:39
  though.
• 16:40
  Real
• 16:40
  cool,
• 16:41
  guy.
• 16:41
  You
• 16:41
  do
• 16:42
  so
• 16:42
  much
• 16:42
  different
• 16:44
  aspects.
• 16:44
  Just
• 16:44
  like
• 16:45
  you
• 16:45
  write,
• 16:45
  you
• 16:45
  sing,
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  produce,
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  play
• 16:47
  instruments.
• 16:47
  Is
• 16:47
  there
• 16:47
  one
• 16:48
  aspect
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  process
• 16:49
  that
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  feel
• 16:50
  more
• 16:50
  comfortable
• 16:51
  doing?
• 16:51
  Like,
• 16:51
  do
• 16:52
  you.
• 16:52
  Would
• 16:52
  you
• 16:52
  rather
• 16:53
  write
• 16:53
  songs
• 16:53
  for
• 16:54
  DMX
• 16:54
  or
• 16:54
  rather
• 16:55
  write
• 16:55
  songs
• 16:55
  for
• 16:55
  yourself?
• 16:56
  You
• 16:57
  know,
• 16:58
  funny
• 16:59
  enough,
• 16:59
  I.
• 17:01
  I
• 17:01
  like
• 17:01
  to
• 17:02
  produce
• 17:03
  for
• 17:03
  other
• 17:03
  people,
• 17:04
  but
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  prefer
• 17:05
  to
• 17:05
  write
• 17:05
  for
• 17:05
  myself
• 17:06
  because
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  feel
• 17:07
  like
• 17:07
  there's
• 17:08
  things
• 17:08
  that
• 17:08
  I
• 17:09
  do
• 17:09
  naturally
• 17:10
  that
• 17:11
  are
• 17:11
  just
• 17:11
  signature
• 17:11
  to
• 17:12
  me,
• 17:12
  that
• 17:12
  if
• 17:12
  I
• 17:12
  try
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  say,
• 17:13
  hey,
• 17:13
  do
• 17:13
  this,
• 17:14
  run
• 17:14
  like
• 17:14
  this.
• 17:14
  People
• 17:15
  are
• 17:15
  like,
• 17:15
  what?
• 17:15
  This
• 17:15
  doesn't
• 17:16
  make
• 17:16
  sense
• 17:16
  to
• 17:16
  me.
• 17:17
  But
• 17:17
  if
• 17:17
  I
• 17:17
  do
• 17:17
  it,
• 17:17
  it
• 17:18
  makes
• 17:18
  sense
• 17:18
  to
• 17:18
  them.
• 17:19
  So
• 17:19
  I
• 17:19
  think
• 17:19
  that
• 17:20
  if
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  can.
• 17:21
  If
• 17:21
  I
• 17:21
  can
• 17:21
  bring
• 17:21
  something
• 17:22
  else
• 17:22
  else
• 17:23
  out
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  myself
• 17:24
  that
• 17:24
  can
• 17:25
  allow
• 17:25
  somebody
• 17:26
  else
• 17:26
  to
• 17:26
  shine
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  a
• 17:26
  better
• 17:27
  way,
• 17:27
  it
• 17:27
  might
• 17:27
  not
• 17:27
  be
• 17:28
  my
• 17:28
  writing,
• 17:28
  it
• 17:28
  might
• 17:28
  not
• 17:29
  be
• 17:29
  my
• 17:29
  melodies.
• 17:29
  It
• 17:30
  could
• 17:30
  be
• 17:30
  something
• 17:31
  else.
• 17:31
  So
• 17:32
  for
• 17:32
  sure,
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  feel
• 17:32
  like
• 17:33
  I
• 17:33
  take
• 17:33
  great
• 17:34
  photos
• 17:34
  of
• 17:35
  people
• 17:35
  more
• 17:35
  than,
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  know,
• 17:37
  other
• 17:37
  things.
• 17:37
  So
• 17:38
  it's
• 17:38
  just,
• 17:38
  you
• 17:38
  know,
• 17:38
  I
• 17:39
  try
• 17:39
  not
• 17:39
  to.
• 17:40
  I
• 17:40
  try
• 17:40
  not
• 17:40
  to
• 17:41
  lean
• 17:41
  too
• 17:41
  much
• 17:41
  into
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  things
• 17:42
  that
• 17:42
  I
• 17:42
  feel
• 17:42
  I
• 17:42
  need
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  work
• 17:43
  on
• 17:44
  then.
• 17:45
  So.
• 17:46
  Yeah.
• 17:46
  Would
• 17:46
  you
• 17:46
  feel
• 17:47
  comfortable
• 17:47
  telling.