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John Wilkes Booth's Brother Saved Abraham Lincoln's Son · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: thus to all tyrants. Oh, you're talking about old Johnny
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  Speaker 1: Big Apple, Ah and the Big Apple. By way of segue,
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  Speaker 1: New York comes up a little bit intoday's story. You
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  Speaker 1: heard Noel and I alluding to the assassination of President
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  Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln on April four, eighteen sixty. The President was
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  Speaker 1: attending a play I think it's my American cousin at
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  Speaker 1: Ford's Theater in Washington, d C. And that evening, while
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  Speaker 1: watching the play, he is assassinated by the man you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Noel John Wilkes Booth. John Wilkes Booth scream
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  Speaker 1: six temper tyrannis, thus to all tyrants, or thus always
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  Speaker 1: to tyrants. And according to John Wilkes Booth, that is
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  Speaker 1: what he shouted after he shot the president. In part
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  Speaker 1: because it was associated with the assassination of Caesar However,
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  Speaker 1: while we all know, at least here in the States
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  Speaker 1: kind of the story of John Wilkes Booth, what a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people don't know is that John Wilkes Booth
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  Speaker 1: had siblings. We've been doing a lot of this lately,
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  Speaker 1: haven't we, Like the lesser known siblings of famous historical figures.
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  Speaker 1: Have we done more than one? I swear we have.
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  Speaker 1: We did. We've done George Washington's brother, We've done Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: Carter's uncle, Jimmy Carter's uncle. Now we're doing John Wilkes
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  Speaker 1: Booth's brother, doing John Wilkes Booth's brother and Abraham Lincoln's
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  Speaker 1: eldest son in a sort of a star crossed star
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  Speaker 1: cross might be No, I'm good with that. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: with the star cross situation where folks from different, like
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  Speaker 1: diametrically opposed worlds somehow intersect to make a difference in
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  Speaker 1: each other's lives for good or for ill. Right, kind
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  Speaker 1: of a cloud Atlas thing. We've got the references, don't
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  Speaker 1: don't know it. I would say the film is imperfect.
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  Speaker 1: Book is great, you're into it. Yeah, the film had
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  Speaker 1: some really bad accents. Is that a thing? Uh? You know,
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  Speaker 1: the thing is part of the film takes place in
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  Speaker 1: the future, and so some of those accent you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: are future accents, so I you know, yeah, there were
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  Speaker 1: some silly parts. The one I'm remembering most specifically is
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  Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, God bless that amazing man to his from
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  Speaker 1: his bones to his soul and beyond. Has has an
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  Speaker 1: accent that did pull me out of the story. When
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  Speaker 1: it's in the far future. They talked about things like
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  Speaker 1: the True True and the Big True True. It's weird
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  Speaker 1: John Travolta is in uh, what's that guy's name, Barry Pepper.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the case of John Wilkes Booth's brother.
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  Speaker 1: So we know that John Wilkes Booth was a well
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  Speaker 1: known actor in his time, right, He was regularly landing
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  Speaker 1: these lead roles at the theaters, and our Kentucky gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, our American cousin cousin, was he in it.
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  Speaker 1: He was not performing in the play that night, which
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  Speaker 1: makes sense because he would have to sneak off stage
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  Speaker 1: right to perform the assassination. But he was known about
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  Speaker 1: the theater scene right, so he was probably hanging out
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  Speaker 1: at this theater and other theaters on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 1: His brothers Edwin and Junius Junior love the name Junius.
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  Speaker 1: I love the Junior on it. Junius Junior, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't not even get so caught up
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  Speaker 1: in Junius. That's brilliant. It's j Junius Jr. Edwin and
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  Speaker 1: Junius were also actors, and Edwin was actually more famous
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  Speaker 1: than his brother John, at least before the assassination, and
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  Speaker 1: he was Edwin Booth was often listed as one of
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  Speaker 1: the best American stage actors in history. And our story
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  Speaker 1: doesn't take place, and the that fateful night in the
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  Speaker 1: Ford Theater doesn't know It starts somewhere in what late
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  Speaker 1: eighteen sixty four early eighteen sixty five, on a train
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  Speaker 1: platform in New Jersey, Jersey City, New Jersey. Twenty one
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  Speaker 1: year old Robert Lincoln was trying to buy himself a
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  Speaker 1: ticket for a train journey in a sleeper car um
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  Speaker 1: and he was part of a big crowd and was
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  Speaker 1: kind of smushed up against the idoling train car um
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  Speaker 1: waiting to get this ticket. And as the train began
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  Speaker 1: to move, he actually he fell out of the platform,
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  Speaker 1: which is a fear. They don't how they say mind
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  Speaker 1: the gap, that's what they mean. That's why they tell
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  Speaker 1: you to mind the gap, so things like this don't happen.
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  Speaker 1: But he was kind of being pushed up against it
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  Speaker 1: and then he lost his footing and he fell into
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  Speaker 1: the tracks. Thank god, it wasn't like subway where you
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  Speaker 1: hit that third rail on your toast right. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: this still means that serious injury or death could be
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  Speaker 1: in the cards for the unlucky Robert Lincoln until that is.
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  Speaker 1: And imagine some inspiring heroic music playing here. Someone from
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  Speaker 1: the crowd reaches out and they grab Robert Lincoln by
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  Speaker 1: his collar and they haul him back up to safety.
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  Speaker 1: And Robert Lincoln turns around, and who does he see
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  Speaker 1: but Edwin Booth, one of the most famous actors of
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  Speaker 1: the time Robert Lincoln instantly recognizes Edwin Booth. This is again,
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  Speaker 1: uh a few months before he recognizes him for his
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  Speaker 1: acting prowess, right, not for being related the guy who
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  Speaker 1: will one day kill his father. That would have required
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  Speaker 1: some sort of gift of sight, which we have no
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  Speaker 1: record that he had. It's strange because history tells us
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  Speaker 1: that Edwin when he later learned that the man whose
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  Speaker 1: life he saved was Robert Lincoln, Edwin was pretty was
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  Speaker 1: pretty happy with that because his brother was a Confederate
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  Speaker 1: sympathizer right not above assassination, which makes it functionally as Harris.
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  Speaker 1: But Edwin was a New York resident and he was
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  Speaker 1: a huge supporter of the Union cause they had a
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  Speaker 1: they had a pretty complex relationship. I mean, Edwin Booth
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  Speaker 1: voted for Abraham Lincoln in eighteen sixty four, and his brother,
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  Speaker 1: John Wilkes Booth was incredibly disappointed by his brother's vote
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  Speaker 1: and he lectured him. And Edwin was thirty one years
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  Speaker 1: old at the time of that election, but it was
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  Speaker 1: his first time voting, and he felt this amazing pride
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  Speaker 1: swell up inside him because he felt like he was
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  Speaker 1: finally doing what an American citizen is supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote to his friend Emma F. Carry in November
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  Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty four, saying, I voted for Lincoln the
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  Speaker 1: other day. That is the apostrophe other the first vote
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  Speaker 1: I ever cast, and I suppose now I am an
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  Speaker 1: American citizen all over as I have ever been in
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  Speaker 1: my heart. So here he got a little southern towards
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  Speaker 1: the end there because he was moved acting acting there was, uh, hey,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember the first time you voted? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think I voted for I think you had something stupid,
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  Speaker 1: like voted for Nader or something. Do you vote your conscience?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. They call that throwing away your vote.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's what that's called. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: voted for some third party like Green Party candidators, and
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was. It's irrelevant. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: do remember. It was in a high school gym, not
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  Speaker 1: particularly remarkable, I guess, where a lot of people vote. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't. You don't get anything when it's your
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  Speaker 1: first time voting, which I was. I enjoyed it. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I was doing the right thing. Always grew
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  Speaker 1: up very civic minded, but I kind of thought you
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  Speaker 1: know someone would care. That was my first time voting.
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  Speaker 1: But the people at the counter where your register, they
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  Speaker 1: just wanted the day to be over. They were very nice,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a very long day. What was it like
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  Speaker 1: back then? Did you punch the ticket? You punched it
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  Speaker 1: with like a little pen like okay, like it's like
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  Speaker 1: a like a pokey thing on the front, isn't how
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  Speaker 1: it was? Oh in my day you had to You
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  Speaker 1: had to cut your hands and bleed out onto the
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  Speaker 1: into your candidate of choices. Right, Yeah, that's what they
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  Speaker 1: mean when they say, oh you're conscious, that's what they mean.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's where the that's where the phrase drives. But
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  Speaker 1: you get a sticker though, you do get something. But
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  Speaker 1: everyone gets that. You always get a stick even even
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  Speaker 1: back in those days, you ever thought about just getting
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  Speaker 1: the sticker and not actually voting? You know? Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna share this with everyone. There's an unethical life hack
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  Speaker 1: tip that I have done for years. I routinely vote.
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  Speaker 1: I like the feeling and participating in these sorts of
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  Speaker 1: systems and institutions, but I don't put the sticker on.
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  Speaker 1: When I get sticker, I keep it your stockpile stickers
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  Speaker 1: stockpile stickers just in case they don't make it for
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  Speaker 1: a vote. I've never had to use it. You just
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  Speaker 1: outed yourself sign that's because I've never had to use it.
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  Speaker 1: I actually vote. Okay, Well, hook me up with some
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  Speaker 1: of those you know. I'm a voter, dude. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: civic minded guy, just like you know, the best of us. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like Edwin Booth. Edwin indeed, So here's the thing I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Edwin Booth really was kind of beloved because, like he said,
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  Speaker 1: he was a Union supporter, as were his parents, Junius
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  Speaker 1: and Mary Um. He was not anything like his much
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  Speaker 1: more fringe e what we will look at now looking back,
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  Speaker 1: more like terrorist e kind of brother, John Um. And
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  Speaker 1: John was deeply disappointed that his brother voted for the Union. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is strange. When we say deeply disappointed, we don't
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  Speaker 1: mean tis tiss. We mean that John looks. Booth apparently
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  Speaker 1: became livid and said something along the lines of you fool.
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  Speaker 1: One day, that man will make himself king of this country.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. When we say the Union, of course, we
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  Speaker 1: mean Abraham Lincoln Um and our star crossed heroes for
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  Speaker 1: today's story. Well, it might seem like an absolute coincidence,
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not so much, right, There's there's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more to the story, right, yeah, yeah, So we've run
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  Speaker 1: into this in the past. Sometimes you'll hear historical anecdotes
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  Speaker 1: that sound just too good really to to be to
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  Speaker 1: be true. And this may be one of the exceptions
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  Speaker 1: to that rule. We do know that it really happened.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's still some question about the particulars. But
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  Speaker 1: in a letter to the editor of Century magazine, a
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  Speaker 1: guy named Richard Gilder nine Robert Todd Lincoln himself tells
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  Speaker 1: the story of how Edwin Booth had saved his life.
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  Speaker 1: Guilder had wanted to know whether the story was true
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  Speaker 1: because it had already been written about a number of
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  Speaker 1: times up until that point, especially when Booth died. But
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  Speaker 1: the weird thing about it is, in those days, fact
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  Speaker 1: checking was not prioritized as highly as it is today
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  Speaker 1: in theory. As a matter of fact, one could argue
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  Speaker 1: that we're getting back to the days where facts take
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  Speaker 1: the back seat to a good story. We have an
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  Speaker 1: excerpt from Robert Lincoln's version of the story of Edwin
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  Speaker 1: Booth saving his life, and this recollection goes as follows.
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  Speaker 1: The incident occurred while a group of passengers were late
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  Speaker 1: at night purchasing their sleeping car places from the conductor
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  Speaker 1: who stood on the station platform at the entrance of
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  Speaker 1: the car. Some intense descriptive language here, if I if
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  Speaker 1: I do say so myself. The platform was about the
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  Speaker 1: height of the car floor, and there was of course
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  Speaker 1: a narrow space the gap between the platform and the
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  Speaker 1: car body. There was some crowding, and I happened to
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  Speaker 1: be pressed by it against the car body while waiting turn.
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  Speaker 1: This is amazing that this is so visceral. In this situation,
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  Speaker 1: the train began to move, and by the motion I
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  Speaker 1: was twisted off my feet and had dropped somewhat with
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  Speaker 1: feet downward into the open space, and was personally helpless
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  Speaker 1: when my coat collar was vigorously seized and I was
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  Speaker 1: quickly pulled up out to a secure footing on the platform.
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  Speaker 1: Upon turning to thank my rescuer, I saw it was
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  Speaker 1: Edwin Booth, whose face was of course well known to me,
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  Speaker 1: and I expressed my gratitude to him, and in doing
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  Speaker 1: so called him by name, which is a weird detail
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  Speaker 1: to end on, isn't it. It's like end In doing
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  Speaker 1: so called him by name. Sure did thank you, Edwin Booth.
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  Speaker 1: Edwin Booth my hero. Well, it's not for your vigorous
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  Speaker 1: collar pool. Yes, exactly know what I'm saying though, Like
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  Speaker 1: the language is so over the top, area diet and descriptive.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. So we can see the human moment
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  Speaker 1: shining through here. Like imagine that you had so anything
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  Speaker 1: like this, because we've all been around subways before. So
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  Speaker 1: imagine that you are almost falling into the path of
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  Speaker 1: a subway and all of a sudden someone yanks you
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  Speaker 1: from behind and saves your life, and you turn around
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  Speaker 1: and you realize, WHOA, it's Cheryl Crow or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm just working in a Cheryl Crow reference
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  Speaker 1: here because it's been a while, or it's the Quister,
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  Speaker 1: or it's I don't know, Tom Hanks, somebody. You now
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  Speaker 1: have this great anecdote about a celebrity. And as we said,
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  Speaker 1: for a while, Edwin Booth had no idea that he
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  Speaker 1: had saved the life of one of Lincoln's children. He
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  Speaker 1: just thought he was being a stand up dude. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't find out about it until he received a letter
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  Speaker 1: from a Colonel Adam Badeaux, a friend of Booths and
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  Speaker 1: Robert Lincoln had told the colonel this story, and both
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  Speaker 1: Robert Lincoln and Bideaux were members of General Grant's staff
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  Speaker 1: at the time. So here's the question. This is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of myth busting. We hate to be the
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  Speaker 1: party poopers in the room, but the truth is important.
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  Speaker 1: Did boots action really qualify as saving Robert Lincoln's life?
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln backed away from his claims a little bit later
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  Speaker 1: in his years, and he said that the train had
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  Speaker 1: come to a stop when he fell, so he was
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  Speaker 1: only in danger of falling from the platform to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, I probably would have been injured, but
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been seriously injured. Not that I'm not grateful,
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  Speaker 1: very grateful, And I love this story. It's an amazing
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's an amazing thing to tell people
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  Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm hanging out at dinner parties. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was a little bit exaggerated in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what wasn't exaggerated the troubles Edwin booth
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  Speaker 1: encountered after his brother shot the president. So after the assassination, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, dude, they had to have seen it coming
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, this guy was obviously espousing
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  Speaker 1: all of this anti union rhetoric, and he was clearly
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  Speaker 1: the black sheep of the family. But his action John
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  Speaker 1: Wilkes Booths actions at that theater absolutely dragged his family
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  Speaker 1: name through the mud. They were all by proxy persona
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  Speaker 1: non grata. Um. He lost his brother, you know, actually
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  Speaker 1: the life of his brother. Um lost his candidate, his president,
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  Speaker 1: his man who he truly believed in. And he essentially
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  Speaker 1: was almost personally ruined because no one wanted to touch
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  Speaker 1: him with a ten foot pole because he had the
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  Speaker 1: stink of his brother's treason all over him. Right. His
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  Speaker 1: engagement got canceled though family of his fiancee forced her
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  Speaker 1: to break it off. Jeez man. Yeah, and he was
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  Speaker 1: quote stricken to the ground, and only with time and
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  Speaker 1: aid of his friends was he able to make a recovery.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's strange because what they're describing sounds like anywhere
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  Speaker 1: from a nervous breakdown to deep, deep depression. He was
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  Speaker 1: essentially on suicide watch for a while. Yeah. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: even though he and his parents had absolutely nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with his brother's actions, idiologically, it couldn't have been
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  Speaker 1: further away from him. They were actually arrested by federal officials,
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  Speaker 1: and the public just treated them like lepers, you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: all because of what John Wilkes Booth did. And this
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  Speaker 1: was immediately after he was identified as the assassin. What
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  Speaker 1: a rough lot man like, you know. It's terrible guilt
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  Speaker 1: by association exactly. Edwin eventually makes it back in the
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  Speaker 1: stage and tries to resurrect his career about eight months
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  Speaker 1: after the assassination, which may have been a little too soon,
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  Speaker 1: you think, for sure. I don't know. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the time limit on that would be.
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  Speaker 1: But he came back in January of eighteen sixty six.
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  Speaker 1: And while Edwin was trying to put the pieces back together,
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  Speaker 1: his family withdrew from public life for you and years
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  Speaker 1: and years, and they continue to live with this black
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  Speaker 1: mark on their social record, I guess, their socio political
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  Speaker 1: record for the rest of their lives, despite being ardent
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  Speaker 1: supporters of Lincoln and the Union. While this is still happening.
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  Speaker 1: While all this is happening on one hand, on the
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  Speaker 1: other hand, Edwin is on a mission to get his
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  Speaker 1: brother's remains so that they can bury him at the
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  Speaker 1: family plot. Pretty sad story, and it takes three years
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  Speaker 1: for him to get those remains released. Brother, they grew
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  Speaker 1: up together, They loved each other. I mean, obviously there
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  Speaker 1: was some distance between them, but it does not There's
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  Speaker 1: nothing that indicates that anybody in their family suspected that
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  Speaker 1: he would do anything as radical as he did. And
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: we do have some documentation about the way that John's
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  Speaker 1: Confederate leanings kind of put put a wedge between him
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  Speaker 1: and his family members. I love the languag in this one.
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  Speaker 1: So he's writing a letter to a guy named Nahame
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  Speaker 1: Capin in a h U. M. Capin in eighteen eighty
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  Speaker 1: one is what we're talking about right where he's describing
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  Speaker 1: his brother. Okay, so all things aside, the language of
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  Speaker 1: this and is amazing. Uh, Dear sir, I can give
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  Speaker 1: you very little information regarding my brother John. I seldom
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  Speaker 1: saw him since early boyhood in Baltimore. He was a
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  Speaker 1: rattle pated fellow filled with exotic notions. While at the
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  Speaker 1: farm in Maryland, he would charge on horseback through the woods,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: spouting heroic speeches with a lance in his hand, a
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  Speaker 1: relic of the Mexican War given to father by some
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  Speaker 1: soldier who had served under Taylor. We regarded him as
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  Speaker 1: a good hearted, harmless, the wild brained boy, and used
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  Speaker 1: to laugh at his patriotic froth whenever his secession was
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  Speaker 1: discussed that he was insane. On that one point, no
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  Speaker 1: one who knew him well can doubt. What is rattle painted? Me?
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  Speaker 1: Is it like being Twitter painted? Is it? Yeah? Like
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  Speaker 1: so a paint would be what like your head? Uh?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But isn't twitter painted a thing? Yeah? Twitter page is
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  Speaker 1: when you're very excited. When you're excited, rattle paid, it
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: means you're very rattled. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: what's the context? How's it used here? Yeah? Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: he was a rattle painted fellow with quixotic, quixotic notions,
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  Speaker 1: So I guess that would mean quirky, lofty ideals kind of.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe rattle painted. Maybe it just means kind of
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  Speaker 1: a freaking weirdo. Yeah yeah, maybe a little like jittery,
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  Speaker 1: that's what That's what the word makes me think of. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like one edge right, like well, like like prone to
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  Speaker 1: wild outbursts and quixotic notion. According to my very cursory search,
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  Speaker 1: it means lacking discretion. Yeah, exactly. Okay, I like it though,
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  Speaker 1: I love I love it. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: could pull that off in conversation. Yeah, you might get
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: called out on that one, well, because then you would
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  Speaker 1: have to explain it, and then people would say why,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And then we would say, well, you know, me and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: my pal's do this show on the internet and we
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to bring back archaic curse words. I don't know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and they'll just like be like, you're gonna have to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: go yeah, that's like, that's a word. Yeah, in fact,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: you should have to pay for the privilege of using
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that word. But I love it and fearing yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, someone else will be able to bring
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  Speaker 1: back rattle paid. Well, maybe this just isn't our fight,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: but we do know that when he was talking about
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: his brother, you can see you can see the affection
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that he felt, and you can see the distance and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the rest of his letter, which still long to read,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: here is him explaining how that politics drove a wedge
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  Speaker 1: between them and also how little he felt they knew
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: each other. In the end, he always thinks of them
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  Speaker 1: as that poor crazy boy, that poor crazy rattle paided boy,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Rattle paid. That's right, and thus ends our episode, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: not our show. You're right, No, we have been. We
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: have been establishing a little bit of a pattern of
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: looking at lesser known relatives of historical figures. I'm okay
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: with it. I'm okay with it too. Have we reached
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: two d episodes? Yeah? You know what we were talking
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: about this? Did we ever talked about this on their
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: We did? Or not? Okay? Because I know it was
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: always we're king up on it, ek eking up eking
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: e king we're eating up on it. We're we're getting
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: to the precipice. This might be to oh one. I'm
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: not sure because I think Casey planted out that we
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: had released a few creature feature features in the feed,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: which up to our number, but we're not going to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: count those towards our towards our total. I don't think so.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I think we should do something fun. Yeah, like what
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like go to fun hats, go to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Dave and Busters, do a live podcast from David. Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: go to a history museum. I love the New York
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Museum of Natural History. That's a great one. I haven't
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: been to that one in a long time. It's great,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: it's a whole we can celebrate separately. Okay, I think
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: we're both on the road where we're going to be
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: doing a little traveling together here. Off, I'm not going
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: to spill the beans on this one that you've got
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a serious adventure coming up, don't you got a lot
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of stuff I gotta do and I gotta go home
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: involving sonar pack masks and you're so nar and my sonar. Yes,
• 24:28
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• 24:33
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• 24:35
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• 24:40
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• 24:44
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• 24:49
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• 24:50
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• 24:53
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• 24:56
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• 25:03
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• 25:06
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• 25:31
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• 25:38
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• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the show a couple of times was kind of helping
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: us out as part of a s summer Um. What
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: do you call it, like a work study kind of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: situation right for his degree? Yeah, that's right. That's why
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Ryan has such a an authoritative scholarly air because he
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: is a scholar, is in need a scholar, whereas we
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: are armchair scholars at best rattle we are rattle paided
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: uh fake Herman Miller Aaron chair Uh scholars, that's what
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: we are. Um, but we have a really good time
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: doing it. We're gonna miss Ryan, but we're gonnafinitely have
• 26:14
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• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Those were some fun episodes, UM, So thanks to you, Ryan,
• 26:20
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• 26:23
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• 26:27
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• 26:35
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• 26:42
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• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that our time is up. I felt a fell wind
• 26:47
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