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Let's Talk with Carl Lee - WVSSAC Postseason Turmoil: Points System Flaws and Charleston's Hosting Challenges · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 4: Welcome ladies, and gentlemen to let's talk with Curlee and
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  Speaker 4: uh my co host Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie are here.
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  Speaker 5: And hello, Hello, and we have a.
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  Speaker 4: Very very interesting conversation that we've had since we actually
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  Speaker 4: got into the studio. When we got into the building,
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  Speaker 4: we've been we've been kind of talking a little bit
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  Speaker 4: about injunctions.
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  Speaker 6: Well the yeah a word of today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, injunctions have been has been for sure, that's the
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  Speaker 4: subject the s SAC and football programs around the around
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  Speaker 4: the state. It seems to me, Hollis, and you're our
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  Speaker 4: expert on this, like, wow, I want to say, done
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  Speaker 4: a little research. I'm going to make the case Hollis
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  Speaker 4: that you know, one of.
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  Speaker 6: The things that.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard someone say, you know, having the best interest
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  Speaker 4: of the athletes in mine or trying to focus on
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  Speaker 4: on that personally, I don't see that being the case.
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  Speaker 4: But I'll come back to that as you kind of
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  Speaker 4: enlighten us a little bit, give us a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of background to where we're at. And I want to
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  Speaker 4: start from the beginning because obviously we're going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about the playoff postponement and delays and Supreme Court and
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  Speaker 4: different things of that nature. But I feel like we
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  Speaker 4: have to set a tone because again, this isn't like
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  Speaker 4: a single event. This spawned from the very beginning, and
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  Speaker 4: to me, if we look at it, it's really no
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  Speaker 4: surprise where we're at now, right because I think earlier
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  Speaker 4: this year, maybe even sometime last year, they were in
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  Speaker 4: discussions about having a quada, which is a four quada,
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  Speaker 4: a single a double a system in West Virginia for football.
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  Speaker 4: Now they've done this with basketball for the last couple
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  Speaker 4: of years. But I think what we have to remember
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  Speaker 4: about basketball is that there's more schools playing basketball and
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  Speaker 4: less players. So far as that I could see that
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  Speaker 4: and it probably wouldn't be as big a problem because
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  Speaker 4: it would create more competitive balance, which that was the
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  Speaker 4: point of this. But I think from what we're seeing
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  Speaker 4: now is that that it's.
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  Speaker 6: Almost done the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's done the opposite of creating competitive balance. It
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  Speaker 4: at least we've we've talked several times about scores, yes,
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  Speaker 4: And there's no way I would have ever thought playing
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  Speaker 4: high school football that I would be playing on a
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  Speaker 4: team that's gonna score eighty points or is gonna get
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  Speaker 4: eighty points scored on them.
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  Speaker 6: That just was never going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm and I'll even go even further, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure that the talent that we were gonna go against
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  Speaker 4: would not be better than what it is now.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, right, And I think our assumption when we
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  Speaker 7: saw these scores, at least now I'm educated, thank you
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  Speaker 7: Hollis on how the point system works for the playoff.
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  Speaker 6: Rankings, and we'll get into details.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yes, but I think I think at the time,
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  Speaker 7: whenever we were under the assumption you and I Carl
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  Speaker 7: that you got points for the playoffs rankings if you
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  Speaker 7: scored a certain amount in your actual play of a game, right,
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  Speaker 7: And so we thought, Okay, there's a reason why these
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  Speaker 7: these teams are kicking on side kicks and throwing passes
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  Speaker 7: in the in the fourth quarter while they're up forty
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  Speaker 7: to fifty points. So we kind of gave some grace
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  Speaker 7: to those teams that were behaving that way, thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: they're doing it for a reason. They're doing it to
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  Speaker 7: gain points for the playoffs. And then we come across
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  Speaker 7: the system and how it works, and we see nothing
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  Speaker 7: of the sort. As far as you know, how many
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  Speaker 7: points you score in a game to be able to
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  Speaker 7: you know, connect it to your your ranking for the playoff.
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  Speaker 7: So we're kind of just I'm disappointed in that because
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  Speaker 7: I felt like there was a reason why some of
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  Speaker 7: these teams were doing the things that they were doing
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  Speaker 7: on the field, as far as you know in play
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  Speaker 7: against other teams, going up forty to fifty points was
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  Speaker 7: because of the playoff rankings. And now that you see
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  Speaker 7: that there really wasn't a legitimate, a legitimate reason to
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  Speaker 7: be doing those those types of things, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 7: disappointed in that, right And.
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  Speaker 6: Here's the thing, well, let me let me let me
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  Speaker 6: say this.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the points, but far as
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  Speaker 4: why they went to four A, because when we look
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  Speaker 4: at for a, you have one point five million people
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  Speaker 4: in West Virginia. West Virginia is losing five thousand students
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  Speaker 4: per year. There was absolutely no justification in addition to
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  Speaker 4: what you just said as far as competitive balance, which
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  Speaker 4: they haven't created, no, not at all. And we'll talk
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  Speaker 4: about the conference and that was a mess up to
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  Speaker 4: far as higher relate to what's going on now. But
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  Speaker 4: if we're losing five thousand students per year, we have
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  Speaker 4: one point five one point six million people in the state,
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  Speaker 4: and we're losing our total population. There was no reason
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  Speaker 4: West Virginia is not big enough to have a four
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  Speaker 4: class system.
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  Speaker 6: We're just not right.
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  Speaker 4: So so all the justifications that they gave originally, it
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  Speaker 4: just didn't It doesn't make sense. And don't you think though,
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  Speaker 4: for the average parent of a kid who plays a
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  Speaker 4: high school fan of the sport, an adult speaking of
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  Speaker 4: the adults, not necessarily the kids.
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  Speaker 6: They they are not educated on any of this. And
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  Speaker 6: so in.
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  Speaker 4: Out front this might have looked good, Oh my teams
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  Speaker 4: are we're four A. It does look good, and it's
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  Speaker 4: the only thing. That's the only thing, because once you
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  Speaker 4: get to the numbers, the numbers don't just to fight
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  Speaker 4: us doing this in as sport like football again, basketball, baseball,
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  Speaker 4: those are different sports. You have less players, it's different,
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  Speaker 4: So I could see the competitive balance being pergnent within
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  Speaker 4: those sports. But when you're talking about a football we
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  Speaker 4: gotta at least have thirty to forty kids.
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  Speaker 6: Like I said, we're consolidating schools every day.
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  Speaker 4: Every day we're here about consolidations from because because of
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  Speaker 4: low numbers, So like you're doing this off the top,
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  Speaker 4: didn't make sense. Yeah, you're you're trying to grow the
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  Speaker 4: football level while the student level is dropped. And the
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  Speaker 4: thing is, you can't even say that because you're not
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  Speaker 4: growing anything. All you're doing is just you're you're just
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  Speaker 4: robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're moving the puzzle pieces around.
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  Speaker 6: Right. Well, you could and couldn't listen to that point.
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  Speaker 4: I think as soon as four A came out and
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  Speaker 4: everybody was all these teams were in four A. What
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  Speaker 4: was the first thing that happened. We're moving back down
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  Speaker 4: to triple A or we're moving from triple to double.
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  Speaker 6: Right right, And and that's the next point.
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  Speaker 4: The next point is that the next thing that happened
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  Speaker 4: in August right in the beginning of the season, is
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  Speaker 4: that you had eleven schools.
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  Speaker 6: You had eleven schools filing junctions.
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  Speaker 4: Word of today injunctions to get back to the lower conference, right.
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  Speaker 4: And the justifications was that, again, how they determined the
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  Speaker 4: classification level It was this is more confused in the geometry.
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  Speaker 4: They did like eighty percent with enrollment, and they split
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  Speaker 4: the last twenty percent between your actual location and the
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  Speaker 4: socioeconomic status of the area in which your school was
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  Speaker 4: placed in whether it was urban city rule DA DA
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  Speaker 4: DA DA, which is convoluted, complicated, and really didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 4: make sense.
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  Speaker 5: So who came up with this?
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  Speaker 7: Because I mean that the triple AAA single A, that
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  Speaker 7: that alignment, yes, for years, in fact, it served us
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  Speaker 7: back when I was in school and beyond that, and
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  Speaker 7: we had more population then. So where in the world
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  Speaker 7: did we find a reason to even look at this
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  Speaker 7: and start this this whole movement to do quait a?
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  Speaker 4: And that's what and that's kind of the point. So
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  Speaker 4: we looking at the very beginning of this, not only
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  Speaker 4: is there not a point to do it, but then
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  Speaker 4: when you actually the implementation of it didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 4: So from so so fact one, why did you do it?
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  Speaker 4: It really didn't need to happen, right, And and the
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  Speaker 4: reason in which you stated it created the opposite effect.
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  Speaker 4: And then the implementation of it when you go to
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  Speaker 4: these factors as far as developing who's going to be
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  Speaker 4: in what's classification?
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  Speaker 6: That doesn't make sense?
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  Speaker 8: Is it?
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  Speaker 4: And and I and I was as I was reading
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  Speaker 4: up on this that someone makes the comment that that
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  Speaker 4: they're that we're looking out for the betterment of the athlete.
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  Speaker 4: I buy I buy that in theory, but I think
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  Speaker 4: the system in what you're creating.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't for the kids, it's for.
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  Speaker 4: You as a as a because if we have quad A,
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  Speaker 4: oh gosh, West Virginia's got quade. We've been triple A
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  Speaker 4: for as long as we've been and it has served
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  Speaker 4: us well. Yeah, and whether and the moment we go quada,
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 5: We don't have enough teams to have a quad A well?
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  Speaker 4: And when the time? When the last time you saw
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  Speaker 4: eighty points? But in a high school game? But I think,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's becoming a little bit more common
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  Speaker 4: with the with the pace in which team score, So
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  Speaker 4: I don't I'm not necessarily hung up on that. The
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  Speaker 4: thing is is that what I'm saying is that if
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  Speaker 4: you're going to create a for A system to a
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  Speaker 4: single A system. Again, I did the average, and it's
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  Speaker 4: about I think there's one hundred and fifteen hundred and
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  Speaker 4: sixteen teams, so you can have about twenty eight teams
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  Speaker 4: per conference. But if you're going to do that, the
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  Speaker 4: implementation has to be tight so that way you don't
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  Speaker 4: have these eleven injunctions and now you throw the the
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  Speaker 4: the numbers off. Okay, so why why why just like
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  Speaker 4: why now like like like, I mean, here we are
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  Speaker 4: right before, right before the playoffs, and we do this
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  Speaker 4: like now, like why, But I think, I.
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  Speaker 6: Mean, help me understand that.
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  Speaker 4: I think if I'm if I'm sitting in that seat,
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  Speaker 4: I think if I'm sitting in day Pricey, he's executive
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  Speaker 4: director of w B S S a C. So, if
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  Speaker 4: I'm sitting in the seat and I'm looking regionally and
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying I want to be competitive regionally, I want
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  Speaker 4: to pit West Virginia on the same par as Ohio, Kentucky, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: I think what I'm saying is that. So I think
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  Speaker 4: if I'm thinking like that, particularly from a football which
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  Speaker 4: we know is the cash cow, I'm saying four is
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  Speaker 4: a good idea. However, what what happened is the implementation
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  Speaker 4: of it was beyond all it was beyond awful. So
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  Speaker 4: I think he's thinking from a regional and maybe a
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  Speaker 4: national standpoint that this may be a good idea to
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  Speaker 4: do in wes G, although the factors and the numbers
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  Speaker 4: maybe don't support it.
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  Speaker 6: I would, okay, So.
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  Speaker 4: I would me just being a just a just a
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  Speaker 4: just a just a straight up athlete, all right, with
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  Speaker 4: no education thought process behind this.
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  Speaker 6: One of the things that I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, and again I'm putting myself in his place because
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if I could. Why why is trip?
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  Speaker 4: Why is if our numbers are low to to your
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  Speaker 4: valid points of.
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  Speaker 6: Dropping students, losing students.
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  Speaker 4: The whole, the whole thing, all this, all this is happening,
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  Speaker 4: and we want to bump up, we want to go
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  Speaker 4: up a level our.
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  Speaker 7: For because that we don't have enough to I mean,
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  Speaker 7: in fact, if it's all about out looking like we
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  Speaker 7: are on the same level as in Ohio or a Kentucky,
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  Speaker 7: we're not. Population wise, We're not. We're not even as
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  Speaker 7: big as they are. So then just eliminate single A
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  Speaker 7: and have quad A, triple A, double A. But but
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  Speaker 7: and and I want to say this, if it's about image, and.
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  Speaker 4: Again, it's definitely about perception, There's no way I love
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  Speaker 4: West Virginia. I'm a West Virginia athlete, born and raised
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  Speaker 4: in support West Virginia athletes.
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  Speaker 6: But we are not Ohio football.
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  Speaker 4: No, okay, we and and and just because we tag
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  Speaker 4: a number on it doesn't make it Ohio football. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, here's the problem. Here's the problem. And again
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  Speaker 4: I understand mister Price and whoever implemented it. I understand though,
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  Speaker 4: the reason because when you're looking at West Virginia and
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  Speaker 4: you're looking at our border counties, so you're looking at
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  Speaker 4: the Wood counties, you're looking at the Eastern Panhandle, when
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  Speaker 4: you're looking at the Northern Panhandle, they have a market
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  Speaker 4: competitive advantage because with the transfer and the Lucy Goosey rules,
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  Speaker 4: now they can get those kids from Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maryland.
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  Speaker 6: DC, Virginia.
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  Speaker 4: So they can get those kids potentially, potentially they can
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  Speaker 4: yet they could get those kids in and again maybe
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  Speaker 4: even more well to do families, particularly in the Eastern Panhandle,
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  Speaker 4: can living like that and work in DC and Maryland
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  Speaker 4: in Virginia. Again, I don't have a problem with the
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  Speaker 4: forur A model. The problem was is that they made this.
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  Speaker 4: They made the formula so convoluted, it's so complex that
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  Speaker 4: it didn't make sense, and they left themselves exposed to
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  Speaker 4: be attacked. What they should have did is just based
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  Speaker 4: off pure Roman numbers. Like I said, if you got
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  Speaker 4: four a system far as excuse me, four four systems,
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  Speaker 4: you can have twenty eight teams a piece in the conference.
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  Speaker 4: So you have twenty eight quads down and one one
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  Speaker 4: would have twenty nine. And I'm saying you take you
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  Speaker 4: take the schools, line them up strictly based on the
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  Speaker 4: Roman numbers, and start cutting them off. Okay, the top
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  Speaker 4: Roman here, that's that's Quada. Then then you go down
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  Speaker 4: the list. So they made this formula in which they
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  Speaker 4: arrived at the systems too complex and it left it
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  Speaker 4: open to be attacked. So it wasn't it was maybe
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  Speaker 4: maybe they thought too much. And then when and then
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  Speaker 4: far as the implementation coming down, once you got those
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  Speaker 4: eleven schools, those eleven schools that were that chose to
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  Speaker 4: found the injunction to go back down the class, then
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  Speaker 4: they didn't think that through, which we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: And that brings us to the problem that we're out
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  Speaker 4: now right.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just curious, I mean with I mean, the injunctions
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  Speaker 7: have been flying since August, I mean basically basically Lawyer's dreams. Right. So,
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  Speaker 7: so my curiosity is do other states with high school
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  Speaker 7: football have these type of issues?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, is this a is this a.
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  Speaker 7: Common thing that happens like in Ohio and Kentucky and
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  Speaker 7: Georgia anywhere that they have high school football play, do
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  Speaker 7: they Is it because we've made our system so complex
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  Speaker 7: and so just ridiculous. Really, I mean, a layman cannot
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  Speaker 7: understand this. I can barely understand it. There are points
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  Speaker 7: of it I still don't understand. So have we made
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  Speaker 7: it so complex that the teams don't really understand what's
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  Speaker 7: going on? And when they see things changing right before
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  Speaker 7: the playoffs and they think they're going to the playoffs
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  Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, no, you're not. You know,
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  Speaker 7: the point system is deemed this the way we're gonna go.
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  Speaker 7: This unjunction says this. I'm just curious. Do other states
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  Speaker 7: have these same problems that we're facing in West Virginia?
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  Speaker 7: They have the same systems, right, quad, A, triple A, Like,
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  Speaker 7: like you said, that's what we're trying to do, get
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  Speaker 7: to their level.
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  Speaker 5: Do they experience this?
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna take I'm gonna take a I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna take a huge guess at this. Okay, if they do,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like you, Hollis, I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Going to assume the list. But they don't have it now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's a good point. They're not having it, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that's a good point. Yeah, they're not having that.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe before the season started, Yes, like we did.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to finish the season, start that up right
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  Speaker 4: as soon as the end of the season, and all
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  Speaker 4: that kind.
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  Speaker 7: Of judge kind of thing is that does a judge
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  Speaker 7: and you should know this right because you're you're a lawyer,
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  Speaker 7: and so judge. Do judges have the right to say,
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  Speaker 7: we're gonna put this off. We're going to put this
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  Speaker 7: on hold after the playoffs? So why so are they?
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  Speaker 7: Are they worried about their their status and their counting.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe is that why they're listening to these injunctions and
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  Speaker 7: following three right before the playoffs. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 7: a totally different conversation that I'm curious, but but I think.
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  Speaker 4: What happens is that generally, if a if A, if
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  Speaker 4: the case is brought before the court, they're not necessarily
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  Speaker 4: like doing it that day, particularly I'm going to the
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  Speaker 4: Circuit quarter right Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 6: Generally, like on.
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  Speaker 4: The doctor, urgence we have but but it's happening now.
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  Speaker 4: So generally because on the Doctor we have time to
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  Speaker 4: research and do all these things. So I would imagine
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  Speaker 4: just the week it's going to allow the court to
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: do due diligence as far as research and make sure
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: they arrive at the right decision. I think what Lisa
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: is asking is if I'm if I'm not mistaken, is
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: is why did this have to happen now?
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: We have waited until after the playoffs.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Because the thing is, if we waited, those teams wouldn't
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: have been able to make the better they're arguing whether
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: they want to make the playoffs because you got winning
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: teams who have winning records from what did they that's
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: that's out the playoffs now with the Wood County injunction
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and let'sten and before we go there, let's talk about this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: When you had the eleven teams, so you had the
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: eleven teams that were in double A excuse me, QUAHDA
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: and Triple A mostly that that wanted to get bumped
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: down in the beginning to August. What should have happened
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: then is that you need a conference realignment at that point,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: because that's why we're here, because again, you have teams
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: like a Saint Albans who are Triple A capital is
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Triple A, that are basically a four A conference and
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: you have to play so many conference games you gotta
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: play your conference. So basically they're playing a four A
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: schedule getting there, getting beat bad again, not creative competitive violence,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: getting beat. And then now when it comes to the
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: points system, which we can go over if you want to,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: they rack up the points because they played these schedule
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: versus a team who maybe have a winning record that
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: played a lower schedule, And and so it's like the
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: whole again, implementation of this was not thoroughly thought out well.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: The points systems flawed. I'm just gonna put.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: It out there for.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: But all of this is all too all. This was
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: all too late.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: You didn't have There's just just there just wasn't There
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: just wasn't enough time to make these changes, no matter
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: who wanted to make them, why they wanted to make them,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: it just wasn't enough time to make this massive change
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: of And and again to your point about realignment, I'm
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: gonna say that, in a sense, the four A in
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: their mind was their realignment injunctions happen, yes, because you
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: can't get you can't have a Saint Aubans in Capital
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: basically in a conference surrounded by four a's because they
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: have to play those teams. Absolutely so again, and your
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: schedules already said, your schedules already set and the majority
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: of those teams are are now four A teams. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: whether you go down back down the triple A, your
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: your your massive schedule is four A. So what should
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: have happened is that once you had those eleven teams flip,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: then it should have probably been even a WVSSA could
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: have maybe had an adjunction and say, hey, look all right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: we messed it up, we screwed it up. Let's go
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: go back to the old formula that we're gonna go
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: back to the triple A. Excuse me, triple A down
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: a single A, and then we're gonna try again this
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: next year because that threw everything off, and that's why
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: we're here.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: And how long did the teams have I mean when
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: they started talking reclassification. Was it just something that happened,
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: like within the course of twelve months or was it
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: something that we've been talking about for a few years.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Because what you're saying is, you know, their schedules needed
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: to change.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Schedules needed to change, they needed time to do that.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: You can't change the skin.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: And they did not have time when when that hit, right, okay,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: there was no time to change.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: The schedules were already.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: There was no warning, is what I was saying.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: But the injunctions, I guess you could say that's the warning.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that may be the.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Only that might be the only thing. But your schedules
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: already set. Right, And so where imagine changed. Imagine a
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: single A team that had picked up maybe like a
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: triple A team to play right as a as a
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: out of conference game, they could find themselves playing a
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: ton of teams that went up, that that was moved up.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: You're playing out of your out of your rank. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: here's my point. Points yeah, and here's my point.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: When you had those eleven teams flip and now when
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: you when you realize I only have sixteen quad eight schools,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: at that point, you should have said to yourself, for
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: somebody in the organization that says, a hold up, let's okay,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: we're gonna scrap all that right, we're gonna go back
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: to the OI film and we're gonna put everything back
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: because now you have a two and eight Hedgesville team
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: that's making the playoffs. And and again not to hate,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: but be doing nothing but regroup. It makes it as
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: everybody makes yeah, or you know, everybody make it, or
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: maybe you got some wins disqualified as summer something to
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: that effect. But if you're two and eight, legitimately you
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: don't need to be there. You're gonna get players hurt,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: and it's just you don't need to. You need to
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: because again we've suffered those two in eight, one and
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: nine seasons, right, and you know by the end of
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: that man mentally, physically you've done. You can't if if
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: you haven't played sports, and if you specifically had not
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: played football, and know what going through a losing season
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: is like, getting beat up and beat up weekend and
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: week I trust me, I know that I got that
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: for four years at Marshall, and I can tell you
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: it is not pleasant. By that game ten, by that
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: game eleven, bro, you're done and you you're trying to rethink,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: you trying to rethink football as a whole, you're rethinking yourself.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: You're football.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Like choice. And when you're two and eight and you're
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: making That's what I'm saying. So when you're down to
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: sixteen teams at that point, that didn't prompt you to say,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: look all right, look we tried it, we messed up.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: We're gonna do this again.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: We're gonna So I'm saying again, and we're gonna talk
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: about where we're at now. But I'm saying from the
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: very beginning warning come before destruction. So you was warrant then,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't working then, so it should have been eliminated.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Then it's gone back right up.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, I agree, Well, let me.
• 23:48
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• 23:50
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  Speaker 6: All right, so.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: You're gonna go over the point system right quick? Yes, okay, okay, yes,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: we canna do that all right. So again, so I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: looking at it right now. This is directly from the
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: wv SSAC website. So again, you have the four class system.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: So we'll just take four A for example, before a
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: if you get a win against a four eighteen, that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: fifteen points. If you play a four eighteen, that's seven
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: point five points. For each game one by a defeated opponent,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: that's one point. So if you beat Cabo Midland and
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the Cabal Midland picks up a win, you get a
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: point for their win.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: So for each game tie by a defeated opponent, that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: a half a point. So if Cavium Miller ties somebody,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: you get a half a point. So for each game
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: one by tie the opponent, that's half a point. So
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: if you tie the ponent and then they win a game,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: you get a half a point. Look at y'all for
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: each game tied by look look at this one. For
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: each game tied by a tied opponent, you get a
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: quarter point.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: So if I tie Cabin Million.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: So if I tie Cable Milon and then Cavil Miller
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: goes out and ties Spring Valley, then I get a
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: quarter point.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: For each game one by a winning opponent in a
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: class or in his class or above, you get up
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: one point five. So if I'm a triple A team,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I play a quad a team that quad. A team
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: wins a game, I get a point and a half.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: So for each game tie by winning opponent in a
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: class or above, you get seven point five. So if
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: you if you play it up in that team, you
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: beat that team and they tied an opponent, you get
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: a three quarters of a.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Point officially hurts right now.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: So that's the system.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: So anybody listeners, if you if you understand that, my
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: head is off to you, we're gonna post.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: It on your your pace. We we need we need you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: If you got that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, if you heard that and you understand that right
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: off the top, please hit me up on my on
• 26:23
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• 26:26
  Speaker 4: need you to be around me because I'm just telling
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: you my brain, Yeah, I need you in my life
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: because my brain cannot calculate that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: Here's the thing, though, hollis this is this has been
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: in place for years.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: This is not new, Like I guess it's new to me.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: It's totally new to me, okay, because I was I
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: was somewhere else in this.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: My question is is who's one? Why is that the process?
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Like like if you came in and you let's just
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: say you were you took over the department.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Okay, W S S A C.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, you take you took it over, and that's your
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: that's how you measure the process.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: When would you change that? I would not change it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you why because again, outside of it being
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: a little like it's a little convolute and everything.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: But what in essence, here's what it does.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Simply, it rewards you for playing the best competition possible.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: So it rewards you for playing up and it rewards
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: you for playing the best competition. We look at Fairmount
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: East Rights the last couple of years they were a
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: double A school, right, they essentially what they did they
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: played a triple A schedule. Now going into the playoffs.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Going at the end of the season, they like six
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: and four, five and five ish, But because they had
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: racked up so much point, because they played up and
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: got some wins, they're seeding in the Double A playoffs
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: was hot and they end up winning the championship that year. So,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: in essence, what this point system allows you to do
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: if you play the best teams possible and if you
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: play up. So the motivation what you're saying, the motivation,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: what you what you're reading into that is the motivation
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: of playing up, playing playing up and playing the best,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: playing the best competition. So Martin's, for example, a Hurricane
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: playing Martins burd this year, that that that's not a
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: game that you have to play. Probably that's the game
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: maybe you don't want to play in the regular season.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: But because they played that game, they get they get
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: more points of playing that game, they'll get a point
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: of two up, so it rewards you for that. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: that's why I think it's a good system.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: But it's also the reason we're in the mess that
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: we're in right now, and we've got losing records, going
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: to possibly.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Going to the playoffs because of the point system.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: No, the point system is is just the point system.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: The reason we're in the message because the realignment the
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Class A and the eleven schools dropping down.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: But honestly, don't you think that the team's in quad,
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: A triple, A double a single, they should be playing
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: each other possible, and then that should be what's going on,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: not not just trying to brack up points and playing
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: above your class.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the person who's gonna be strategued, that's gonna
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: be strategic about that and it's gonna do that solely
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: for the opportunity to get into the playoffs. But here's it,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: but that's not it. What happened, though, is that if
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: we had a if this isn't what wasn't here, and
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: we're saying we're just basing it off record, what's going
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: to happen is that you're gonna have a Quada team
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: that's gonna play the conference games that they're mandated to play,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: and then they would just play down just to say, okay,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: then I'm seven to three. You can you can you
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: can easily fix that and we'll talk about well, we'll
• 29:40
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• 29:41
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• 29:41
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  Speaker 4: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back and uh and
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Hollis has has kind of dropped the bomb a little
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: bit on this. Why this is a good system, I
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: understand to tell you, it makes sense some of it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: It does what it totally makes sense. Like I said,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: the rewards you for playing the best competition possible.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: I'm going to go with you, Hollis on the part
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: about getting points if you you know, for winning against
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: for a team. Okay, you get so many points for
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: tying against the four A team in your Triple A
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: or whatever.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: But then we're.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: Getting into for each game tied by a tied opponent,
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: for each game won by a winning opponent in its class,
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: or above for each game tied by winning opponent in
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: it's class. I mean, some of this stuff is very
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: complex for high school football.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: I mean I can see a.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: Point system to a degree, but not what they've got
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: in place here.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: Is there not a system because they're not a system
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: or somewhere else. I understand that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I understand that, and I don't know as a fact
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: that what I'm getting ready to say is factual, but
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it sound like it's factual.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna put it out there like it's factual.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make the case here that the structure in
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: how you how you get to playoffs, how you do
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: those types of things, there is a system set up somewhere,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: whether it's collegiate, whether it's professional, that you can you
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: can follow that does not require TIDEID.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: And there's no reason.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: But there's no reason for that complication unless you want
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: people to be confused.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: But here's the thing.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: You're only talking about an eight point scale. So we're
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: only taking eight factors into this. And and again, not
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: only does it reward your your team for playing the
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: best competition, but it also has a cyclical effect where
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: it's saying that not only should I be playing, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: you should be playing too. So basically it's saying that
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: we all got to play the best competition that we
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: all can play. So I can't play the best competition
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: and then you play sorry competition. I won't say, I
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: will say lower, I won't say. So it's so it
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: creates a situation in which everybody got to play. Every
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: got to play the best out there.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Okay, And and that makes sense at the college level
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: because there's so many college programs to choose from. In
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: high school, there's there it's a very limited amount of teams,
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: and so it's up to Martinsburg who they want to play. Basically,
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: I mean that they're they're the they're the cream of
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: the cross and so you know, you've got your double A,
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: triple A. Even as a team that wants to play them,
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: they may not possibly be able to play them just
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: because everybody wants to play them.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: You see what I'm trying.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: That's why, and that's why Martin Berger and the Hurricane.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: They have those out of town games, and there's a
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: form there's a whole different formula for that. So that's
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: why so they play they played that good time, because
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: again Martin Burger play the Virginia champs and DC and
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Maryland champs and all that. So that's why they play
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: those games as well. See but but see, there's no but.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: But there's to me what I think how I see it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: So this conference, this conference, this conference, that conference. Right,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: so you you play your your conference teams, say there's
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: eight of them, Okay, Then now your next two teams,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: you could play whoever you want, whoever you can, whoever
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: you can, right, you know, yeah, whoever you can, whoever
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: wants to play you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Now for those two games, you can choose to play up.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: You can choose to play damn well not because what matters.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: First thing that matters is is your conference. But here's
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: the problem with that, the problem with that. If you
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: did it that way, then essentially I could go four
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: and for of my conference, I could play two lower
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: level teams, and I can go six. Now six, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: now I'm six and four. Now it appears I had
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: a good reason. What's gonna matter. What's gonna matter is
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: gonna be. The first thing that matters is your conference record. Okay,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: the conference record matter. But let's say everybody was kind
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: of middle of the road, or this conference maybe wasn't
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: this good. So now I'm getting in and I played
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: two lower teams, or or if everything is up and
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm seven and three or six and four. Now
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I don't even make the playoffs with a winning record
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: because I wouldn't play those those those lower.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Two teams that way.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is that I think this system
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Foster is an environment where everybody got to play the best.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: Okay. So so I like this.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, so you look at you, okay, and everybody I'm
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: gonna use I'm gonna use marshall.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna use marshall. Okay.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: People are upset because some people are upset because they
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: they're bowl eligible.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Okay, how did they get Bowl eligible? Right?
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: That?
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: You know what? What is their record?
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Their record is not like something in one right or
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: something in no right, but they made the playoffs because
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the structure is yeah, the boat, yes, so the bowl
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: is what it is. So you get Bowl eligible for
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: this reason, I think it's very simple to make what
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: that what the requirement is at the high school level
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: to make the playoffs, you either have to you have
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: to do this, this and that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: But that thing that you read.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Out it's simple. I think I think you too much
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: into it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: No, I just don't.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I'm just beause, No, I don't get it simple. It
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: is an eight point system.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: It's basically a point factors that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: Don't maybe had a double A single A, but now
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: that we got quad A, it just throws it all.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: I would succeed. I will succeed that point. I would
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: acknowledge that that because of the current sy that doesn't
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: necessarily because again you only have sixteen teams in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: in the quality again, you know you could probably just
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: do that by record, right, you don't need this and that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: But I think that makes sense. But at the end
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: of the day, like I said, I think the overall point, now,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: maybe it can be simplified, maybe.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: That there's no question that could be simple.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: But but I think overall I like it because again
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Fairmount East was a couple of years ago they played
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: a whole trip a schedule has a basically a double
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: A school outside of the games of mandated and it
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: made them a better team. How many guys, do you
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: know how many games are mandated to play in conference?
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: It depends on size, and not everybody's conference sizes different,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: so that's different. So I know they I want to
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: say they played a Huntington, CAVU, Millan and Spring Valley.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: I mean they played a Murders Road. And the good
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: thing about that.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: What I see that as a benefit is I want
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: my team to be tested against some of the best teams.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: So when I play in my conference, i'm playing I
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: know what playing Huntington is like. I know what playing
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: that team is like. So now I can I can
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: tell them we can play with this team. So now
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: we gave you the points system, I think we gave
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: you kind of the origin and our thoughts basically how
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: this whole problem started. So now we're at the playoffs
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: and just to set it up and we could talk.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: You had basically two injunctions. You had an injunction in
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Wood County. You had an injunction in Mason County. Basically
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: the Wood County junction is kind of That's why we
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: went over to the point system because basically challenged the
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: point system, and basically they came to the conclusion that
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: it was flawed and it didn't factor in what we
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: just talked about as far as you playing up down
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: whatever like that. So essentially what happens is that you
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: had a school like Saint Albans three and seven Capitol
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: three and seven because they played basically a four A schedule.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Then they got them points were already that they were
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: already in the conference, so it eliminated Point Pleasant in
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Hampshire County. So basically those teams got dropped out of
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: the Triple A playoffs because of this. And you have
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: some other schools like West Side TULSAIBN Tulsa and I
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: think Wayne as well, and the I think they are
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: in Double A. And then you had another injunction after that,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: so and that junction was successful, so that changed the
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: playoff structure. Then you had another injunction in Mason County,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: and basically what that injunction stated was that there needed
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: to be a playing game. So essentially the two teams
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: teams that got dropped out of Triple A, which was
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Point Pleasant in Hampshire County, they wanted a playing game.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: So I think it would be Point Pleasant versus Capital
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: in Hampshire versus Saint Alban's, so those would be the
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: two playing games and then you would actually start the playoffs.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: That injunction was successful. So now the wv SAAC came
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: back and they took it to the Supreme Court to
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: drop those two injection injunctions and take it back to
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: just the original playoffs.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: That was a couple of weeks ago. So that's a mouthful.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: So this is why it's at the Supreme Court now,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: and this is why we have the postponement.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: And we also had I think, did you something about
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Wyoming County?
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: I didn't. I must have missed out. I didn't see
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: that one.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I found Wyoming Counties also filed another lawsuit for Westside,
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: which was one of the schools that was bumped from
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: the from the injunction granted in Wood County.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: So they're upset.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: They want relief from the injunctions, which I take that
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: as they just want to go relief.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: I think that's what too.
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: Many maybe or just you know, go back to just
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: get rid of all the injunctions, is what it sounds
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: like to me. Uh And and so then there was Yeah,
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: so that was the only one that I think that
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: I heard, Oh in Tulsa, you said that one, though,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: I think that was just recent like today.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: So it's a mess.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: And my question.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Is how do you how do you go through a season,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: get to the week of playoffs and don't play. I
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: mean as far as the postponement, yes, well, I mean
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: it's a court process.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: Now, I know this time, I know, I totally understand.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: I get I get that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: My question, my thought, my comment to this is imagine,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: imagine you, imagine you, imagine me.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: You're the week of the playoffs and you're not playing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: You you you by Tuesday, you know you're not You're
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: not going to play a game on on on Friday night.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: This is a great advantage. This is the ultimate.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: If you go.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: You got players that are hurting.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Now here's the get because it's gonna be two weeks,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: So it has to be two weeks that you're going
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: to be sitting, right, So for this week, I can
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: get players held up, I can rest them. And again
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: that may be that's different from team the team, because
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: some teams you need them just to go, and the
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: other guys. The other part of that is you got
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: other sports and you got other sports, and that's that's
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: a problem too. But I think the playoffs is gonna
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: take precedent and you, I think, particularly depending on where
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: you're at, you probably have an idea of who you
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: might end up playing. So you probably got maybe one
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: of maybe a three teams, right, So it's going to
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: give you more time to develop scouting reports on these teams.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: And it can get players held up if you are
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: injured team. So if you're like Noah, Villa, Tommy and
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Hurricane who has a bum ancho right now and you out,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: you can sit for two weeks. Boy, that that helps you.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: So I think it could be an advantage too, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: so again to somebody's in advantage disadvantaged to somebody one.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: So I look at this and I just I just can't.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: There's no way I can like it. There's just no
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: there's just zero chances for me to find something that's
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: justifiable here that makes sense to me, like, oh this works.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: So let me ask your opinion on this, and that's
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: both of you. What is the court do manber? We
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: got we got basically three lingering injunctions hanging around, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: we got obviously they in wvs says he wants to
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: take it back to the original format. So so what
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: what what happens? I think it's going to go back
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: to the original format because I don't because I just
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: don't see them being willing to even trying to test
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: something new. Now, let's just go back to what we
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: were doing and and.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: And then deal with it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's that's what. That's what.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Carl's right.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think the playing game would be probably
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: a fair thing to do for those teams that feel
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: like they're being slighted. But I don't know if they'll
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: open that can of worms.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: I think what they'll do is just go back to
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: the original, the original plan, and then address it in
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: the off season.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: See, I think you got to go with the Wood
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: County because the Wood County is exact and correct in
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: the formula far as the points laid.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: Out, those rocked out.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: So I think again, if you the court, if the court.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at it, well, I don't necessarily want because
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: I think Mason County has the right idea. I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: that's exactly correct, and I think they ought to have
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: the playing games just because it is. But if I'm
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: from the If I'm looking at it from a judicial standpoint,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, well, I don't want to risk that's kind
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: of unnecessary to have that plan games. So what does
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: the law say? What does the policy say? And the
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: policy say the point system that we just went over.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: So if I'm the court, I'm looking at the policy,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the point system, and I'm saying, if
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Wood County has exact and correct and this is the
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: formula that you have on based on the policies, based
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: on the systems, based on writing blah blah blah blah blah,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: then you gotta I would probably dismiss Mason County's injunction
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: and Wood Counties will be acknowledged, and that's the ruling
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I will go with.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: So, unfortunately, those teams will be out.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: How long do you think it will take before the
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals comes out with a ruling.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: I think it was going to be this week.
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: I would hope so, because these injunctions happen like within hours,
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: so I would hope that they could resolve this quickly
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: and at least get the play. Because here's the other
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: thing we're going to run into. With and this is
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: a domino effect whenever you delay the football playoffs and
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: they're going to be hosted here in Charleston this year,
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: the Super Six, and we're looking that everything being pushed
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: out a week. Well, you've got other events going on
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: in Charleston coming up in the in the next few weeks.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: You've got, uh the cheerleader competition that's going to take
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: place at the Civic Center of the state cheerleading competition.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: You also have volleyball, which is being affected by all
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: this at the Girls Volleyball Championships that's all going to
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: be taking place at this you know, around the same time.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: If they keep pushing it out, you're gonna have issues
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: with accommodations in Charleston having that many people. Like we
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: talked before Hollis, they've got rooms blocked, you know, for
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: for for these teams coming.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: In to do the Super Six.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: If you've got events going on with the Civic Center,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: like Ringling Brothers, you know, the Circus is coming to
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: town in the next few weeks. They've got I think
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: trans Iberian Orchestra. You're gonna have an issue with people
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: trying to find accommodations and you know, just exactly. So
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: you know, that's the domino effect of all this. So hopefully,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: like you said, they get this settled quickly and they
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: can get these playoffs going next week, or it's going
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: to become even more complicated.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: And the cv B, I'm sure they had activities and
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: everything planned out for this, the host, the host parties
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: and all that others. Absolutely, you have to assume that
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: everything that was planned, that everything was planned out for
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: this week for that game to show up, and all
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: of a.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: Sudden, everything's changed, everything has changed.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking that they like this has to be a
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: day or so conversation.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I know it is a big
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: decision moving forward.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I just don't know how long you can wait, Like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: you can't put this into a week, You can't, you
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: can't rest.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: No, you can't, No, you can't it.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: But but but but but look at what look at
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: what's at stake for every every couple of days that go,
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: you could you can make the positive side of you
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: got rest, you got time to work on a game
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: plan against somebody else, blah blah blah blah. You got
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: all that, But there's a whole lot of other stuff happening.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: You know, there's there's there's a kid who's on the team,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: plays basketball and might be the start of basketball team
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: and miss practice, get ready to get for the games.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: All of those kinds of things are all lingering out there. Okay,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: So let me ask you this, and and I think
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: this is a conversation that a bigger conversation that's definitely
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: a part of what's going on, because this has been
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a terrible high school football season for me, Like it
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: just hasn't been fun. I really haven't been excited about it,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: just because of particularly paying attention to the four A
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: class because it's just been you know, everybody's making the playoffs.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: So there's no suspense, right his football in West Virginia
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: become totally toxic. And I'm talking about not I'm talking
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: about from what you've talked about in the numera amount
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: of times far as the little league situations that's going
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: on around the state. We've had discussions about the middle
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: school debacles that's happening here at least locally.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: Obviously this w Old high school thing.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: And even with w U and and and and and
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Marshall not being able to be as competitive as that
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: we liked just because they're playing in these distant conferences.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: So so it's football. Just is it on a downhill?
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Is it? Just?
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: Where are we at with it? I like your word
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: toxic more so than downhill.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: But the hugest problem that I see from my perspective.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: And and please take this personally, if it's you, okay,
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: please take it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Take it personally, okay, Please please.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: We've just lost.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Our minds about around football, whether we whether we coach,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: whether we're fans wherever, wherever you sit that's not on
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: the field, don't have the whistle, don't have that hat.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: And you're talking about fans to administrated, all.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: That, all of them, we've just lost. We just lost
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: our mind because we love it so much. There's a
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: there's a there's we love football so much that we
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: don't care about.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: The kids that we don't we don't care about the
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: young kids. We want to win.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: We and and when I say that, I want my
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: little group of kids to win.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: I want South Charleston Youth Football to win.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna treat them or nor am I
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: going to go crazy when they lose, Like I want
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: them to have the best experience possible or makeup stuff
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: to just just just make up a whole bunch of
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: stuff and it just ends up cloud and the whole situation.
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: This is what I know. Mayor Frank Mullens.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: He supports youth sports funds you sports through the South
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Charleston Rec Center for the sole purpose for kids to
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: have activities, have development, and to have something to do. Yeah,
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: so when they're playing football, when they're playing basketball, when
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: they're doing those kinds of things, they're off the street.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: Exactly having fun.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: I don't want anybody to get in the way of that.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I don't want that to turn toxic. Whether it's the
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: coach who's toxic because he wants to win, whether it's
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: the parent who's toxic because she wants her son to play,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: any of that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: I think West.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Virginia we we've overstepped our bounds in where we think
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: we can be, what we think we can do, what
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: we can control in the sports spear.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: We've we've forgotten how to celebrate the small one.
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: The participation that well just here, like what.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: We were talking about earlier with with with coach hough
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: and this past weekend whenever Marshall won their game, their
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: away game and became Bowl eligible, and he was celebrating.
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: He was happy, and and you know, you were talking
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: about the video that you saw, and I think I
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: saw parts of it too, but he was just he
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: was he was genuinely happy for his team that they're
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: going to a bowl. And you've got fans scoffing at it, like, well,
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: everybody goes to a bowl, now, you know, I mean,
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: it's not you don't celebrate the small victories. We're not
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: all going to be in that national championship. We're not
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: we're not that state yet.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Well and and and if it ever are, and and
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: and and not even let's don't even make it about
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  Speaker 4: our state.
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  Speaker 6: Let's just make it about eighteen.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: If you look at Marshall, forget where they come from,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: look forget who the coach is.
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  Speaker 6: Did you see the players, did you hear.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: The players' voices, how happy they were, how excited they were?
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Same on you if you're a Marshall fan and you
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: ain't excited. If you if you if you get that
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: rare peak inside of a locker room that very few
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: people get to at the college level to celebrate a win, right,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: whether it's the only win you had, or if it's
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: a win that makes you bowl eligible. And let's just
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: make the case. Everybody goes to a bowl and but
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: you you just became bold eligible. How are you supposed
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: to that?
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: Good game? Guys? All right, we're bowl eligible and let's
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: just get ready to go to work next week. Come on, yeah, like,
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: come on, what do you want?
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And do you think in far as even like what
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: happened is creating this like for a system where we
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: wanted more champions we wanted do you think that sort
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: of thought process spawned from parents and different things of
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: that that you're saying, Hey, we can't compete with martin Burg,
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: we need another class so we can have more championship.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Do you think that like that sentiment is pervasive even
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: in administrative decisions. I think I think that I think
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: that there is some of that happening, you know, But.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: What I try to.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: It's it's simple, hollis just play right, just play if
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: talking about that, I'm saying, do you think that because
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: of the nature of how we're moving as parents and
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: and overstepping our bounds as far as wanting to coach
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: our kids in totality, that that that that's kind of
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: leaked into decision makers' minds to say, Okay, now we
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: have to do this because we have to appease everybody,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: the players.
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: The parents, fans. Oh, I've got it. I do.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I do think that there is there is this how
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: do we make how do we make it better? How
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: do we make everybody happy? But again, let your kid play?
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: But that's not where we ask And that's the problem.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: That's the problem. Whether we want to own it or not,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: the problem is is you got the dad yelling at
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: the coach over the fence.
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're yelling at the officials. You're doing all these
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: kind of crazy stuff that does not create a positive
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: experience for the kid who who I love to play,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: but gets tired of hearing that dad talk about how
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: bad the coach is on the way home. My dad,
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: they never my dad never said anything negative about a
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: single coach I had, and I ain't win a whole
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: bunch of championships or none of that kind of stuff.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Why did he not have anything to say with them?
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: My dad's stop process. It's you, you playing you the guy.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying, in a modern environment, it's how do
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: we get how do we get around.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: That toxic itself.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: It has become toxic, very tight because people love the game.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: They love it and it's only a find out amount,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: just like basketball where you're playing thirty games, right, so
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: you can take some losses here and there. But I'm saying, like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: how do we auto correct? It's like, what's the solution
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: if we don't, If we don't fix you sports, that's
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: a good point.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: If we don't fix you sports.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Parents, guardians, friends, family are gonna tear it up middle
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: school football.
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: And then if you don't fix.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: It there, you'll you'll you'll tear up high school. It's
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: tore from the floor, and and and and and and
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: the reality to that is, don't worry about college because
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: it ain't happening.
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: When you get to college, you shut off. You are
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: shut off. You get nothing.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: But I would even say this about college man, and
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I love Prime. But they asked Prime a question about
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: like far as different teams that Shador and Travis Hunter
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: would go to, and he was He alluded to the
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: fact that he would potentially step in behind the scenes
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: and say, hey, don't go here, don't draft him here,
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: we go there. So it's like and again he got
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: the grace and the talent and the cachet to maybe
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: do that, but but we got other people who maybe don't.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: So it's like it's so it's going from all the ways. Well,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: the question you to the professionals. The question where the
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: question will be answered in that is really what Prime
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: does after this season.
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: But it ain't about Prime. I'm not trying to make
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: it about him.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: I'm saying we have parents now who have that same
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: thought presses who ain't you see what I'm saying, right,
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: they have.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: That thought process from Little League all the way.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Up, and I don't, and and and and at least
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: I think part of that is is because they think
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: they need to like they need to help.
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: The coach to work with their kid.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: You know, now, you football, a lot of coaches might
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: have played high school football and that that's the max
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: that they play.
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: Some of them may not even play.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: High school ball, but but they're out there, they're giving
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: their time. If you want to give your time and
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: get out there, get come on, but don't do it
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: from the bleachers.
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: Don't do it from the fence.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: That's and that's where it starts. That's where the where
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: it starts.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: And then I just wanted to add it a point
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: back to what you were saying with the toxic kind.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Of feel where we're experience and seeing here in West Virginia.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: I think what happens with fans and with with the
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: state in general, both WU and Marshall fans, is we're
• 57:09
  Speaker 7: comparing these newer coaches to the old coaches that were
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: in a time that didn't have to deal with nil.
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: Those coaches didn't have to deal with the transfer portal.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: They could win because the playing field was a little
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: more even than it is now. You know, we're not
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: talking about just being able to recruit a player because
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: you're a good coach and you know the school has
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: has you know, character. Now we're talking about how much
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: money are you going to give me? What what kind
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: of contracts am I going to sign with if I
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: come to your school? So comparing, you know, it's like
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: comparing apples and oranges, the down Neeland's and the Bob
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: Prewitz of yesterday that that did have winning traditions to
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: the Huffs and the Browns because they they're in a
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: completely different world.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: That's great that that's probably the point of the subject there.
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, because and.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: Fans forget that I mean, I think we all just
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: want to win so badly, and do you remember when
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: we did?
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: Do they forget or just do they just not the forget?
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: They forget?
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, because I think there could be
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: the case that it's not even it's not even really relevant. No,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: they forget, they forgot, as you hear that all the
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: time pre Rich ride back, and I've said that, bring
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: da Da Da.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: But it's two different environments.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, could could you imagine what what what would
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: be the chance of Randy Moss staying at Marshall within
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I L No no chance, no chance, zero and and
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: and and his future is not gonna change, but the
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: reality of Marshall's opportunity.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: Would have changed everything everything.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: And again you got a quarterback. What happened with Pennington?
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: Would he had stayed at Marshall? No, I mean that team.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Would have been, That team would have been That team
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: was loaded, Yes, it was loaded.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: And so there's no single way that with n I
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: L they stay there. Yeah.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: So all right, well, I'm gonna make give another shout
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• 59:28
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• 59:32
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• 59:36
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• 59:41
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• 59:45
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