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Taylor Frankie Paul Breaks Her Silence · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, Deanna here and you're listening to Almost Famous
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  Speaker 2: and we are popping on tonight to just kind of
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  Speaker 2: follow the news. And I'm here with my producer, Heather,
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  Speaker 2: because she doesn't sleep, she doesn't eat, she doesn't do anything,
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  Speaker 2: and she couldnot wait to dive in tonight because so
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  Speaker 2: much has transpired over the last few days in our
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  Speaker 2: headlines for our girl Taylor, Frankie, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Yanna, not even the last few days, in the last
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  Speaker 3: few hours. I just keep hopping on here and there's
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  Speaker 3: more and more to talk about. It's absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly I can't keep up, Heather, when you text
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  Speaker 2: me tonight with new links, I honestly can't keep up.
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  Speaker 2: And I have felt a way about it since we
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  Speaker 2: recorded with Trista, just like I'm so sad. I'm so
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  Speaker 2: sad for this girl and her child and and him too,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's the connection because of
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  Speaker 2: the Bachelorette, but it's just sad. It's just really sad.
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  Speaker 3: It's really sad. And I said that a couple of
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  Speaker 3: days ago to Ashley right after the season the New
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  Speaker 3: season had premiered, I you know, scarfed down six episodes
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  Speaker 3: in one night, and I said, you know that I
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  Speaker 3: was crying watching it at one point. You know, she
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  Speaker 3: was getting really emotional and she was talking about that
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  Speaker 3: she just wanted to be chosen, and that like really
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  Speaker 3: hit me when I was watching it, and I was
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  Speaker 3: just like, girl. I think so many women have felt
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  Speaker 3: like that in different areas of their life, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: chosen by a partner, chosen by a family member, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that it goes without saying. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously here on this podcast, we've been doing Frankie Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Frankie Friday is not where we rip her down, It's
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  Speaker 3: where we build her up and we talk about her.
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  Speaker 3: You know. We have really been anticipating and looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to this season, probably me more than anybody on this show,
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  Speaker 3: just because I've watched this whole evolution. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's it's a bummer. But unfortunately, as much
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  Speaker 3: as people love a comeback story, they love a teardown
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  Speaker 3: even more. And it's really hard to be watching it
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  Speaker 3: happening in real time.
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  Speaker 2: It's really really hard. It's really hard. You want her
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  Speaker 2: to come to this side right. ABC has this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing about the show that it's this whole glow up
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  Speaker 2: and it's this fairy tale ending, and it's this good show,
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  Speaker 2: this good, wholesome show of people finding love. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel her on the part of just wanting to be chosen.
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  Speaker 2: Are you joking? I've searched for my whole life, but
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel good to me what is happening. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't feel good the way things are being released. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't feel good. Oh man, I want to choose my
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  Speaker 2: words wisely here, but it doesn't feel good the way
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  Speaker 2: they're releasing things and making this woman the lead of
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  Speaker 2: a show and making her live through it over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over again. We just, you know, one of
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  Speaker 2: the clips that we just saw of her online, she
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  Speaker 2: sounds broken. You went to an event, she showed face
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  Speaker 2: because she is trying to promote a show that she
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  Speaker 2: has done, and she sounds broken. I almost cried Heather
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  Speaker 2: listening to it, because you can hear the pain in
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  Speaker 2: her voice when she is speaking that it took all
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  Speaker 2: she had to get there that night like that. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to say can you imagine? Because I can.
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  Speaker 2: I've been there. I've been there and that's so hard.
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  Speaker 2: That's so hard.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of us can't relate to that
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  Speaker 3: aspect that you can with her about the having to
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  Speaker 3: be a public facing figure in a time where your
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  Speaker 3: personal life or everything around you feels like it's crashing down.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that we all can relate on some
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  Speaker 3: certain level about when things are happening in our lives
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  Speaker 3: and we have to still show up for our jobs,
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  Speaker 3: or we have to show up for our kids or
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  Speaker 3: people that rely on us, and it's rough. It's rough
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  Speaker 3: to put your emotions in everything that you're feeling and
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  Speaker 3: thinking on the back burner. For her, you know, she's
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  Speaker 3: having to do it on camera, and she's having to
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  Speaker 3: do it in front of millions of people. And kind
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  Speaker 3: of what I was saying with Ben the other day is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's one thing that she's already been on
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  Speaker 3: two shows basically at the same time. It's another to
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  Speaker 3: now be the center of a media blitz that's been
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  Speaker 3: happening since Sunday night and having to face all of
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  Speaker 3: that alone again. This is where I mean things. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna see the change. It's been confirmed she is going
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  Speaker 3: to be on Good Morning America tomorrow morning, which is
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  Speaker 3: Wednesday morning. We're taping this on Tuesday, and so we'll
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  Speaker 3: have to see what she says, and you know what
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  Speaker 3: the approach is with that. Personally. We'll get into some
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  Speaker 3: of the quotes from tonight from the media event, and
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  Speaker 3: I want to get your opinion, and obviously I want
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  Speaker 3: to talk about some of the things I didn't hear
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  Speaker 3: in some of these quotes when I'm listening to it.
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  Speaker 3: But why don't we first start off with, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the direct quotes to People magazine where she broke
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  Speaker 3: her silence for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, Heather, I've read this People exclusive tonight, and
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  Speaker 2: I know you've read it too, So let's dive in here.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul breaks silence after domestic violence investigation news. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: just like my heart hurts to see it, to go
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  Speaker 2: through it, especially at this time, Paul told People exclusively.
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  Speaker 2: Just the timing is hard and it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like every premiere that I've experienced I've never
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed fully, so this is another one. It's extremely hard,
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  Speaker 2: and it took everything to get me here today. Like
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  Speaker 2: even just reading that, Heather is just like devastating, like
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  Speaker 2: just saying that, like, there's no way she showed up
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  Speaker 2: to this in his hole in that moment, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the things that are going on, the things that are
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  Speaker 2: being posted in the press, the screen shots, just every
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  Speaker 2: bit of it, and having to show face in an
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  Speaker 2: event where really, she's right, this should be a joyful
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  Speaker 2: moment for her. She's one of the biggest love dating
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  Speaker 2: shows in television on ABC. This should be a joyful
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  Speaker 2: moment for her. When I did this, I was over
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  Speaker 2: the moon and I was joyful and as I was excited,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not what this is for her today. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll keep going. It's just heavy. It's a heavy time,
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  Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate, she continued. I'm struggling, for sure, but
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  Speaker 2: also at the same time, I feel like if I
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  Speaker 2: don't show up, then I'm just giving these opportunities away
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  Speaker 2: and not enjoying what we've worked on and something super
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  Speaker 2: exciting that's coming up. I just feel like it was
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  Speaker 2: the right thing to do show up, even though it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: That's I mean, I hear some humility in what she
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  Speaker 2: is saying and putting one foot in front of the other,
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  Speaker 2: and you know what, She's also under contract, she's got
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  Speaker 2: to be there exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's, you know, the in between that's not
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  Speaker 3: being said. But also right as somebody who has been
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  Speaker 3: sharing so openly about her mental health and her mental
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  Speaker 3: health struggles, I think that this is a reminder to
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  Speaker 3: anybody that's listening right now that you have to listen
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  Speaker 3: to that voice first and foremost, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Something I've noticed is, and I apologize if I haven't
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  Speaker 3: done too much of a deep dive on this, but
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen any photos or videos from tonight. The
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  Speaker 3: audio that we listened to was a different outlet extra
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  Speaker 3: that did not show video but used audio from their recording.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm wondering if cameras were allowed in on this event.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so that's what I'm wondering, And I'm also wondering
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  Speaker 2: with the stuff, the changes that have taken place over
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  Speaker 2: the last god, what is so Tuesday forty eight hours?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how much they scaled down for this event.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how many people actually came showed up, and
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  Speaker 2: I wondered how much press they actually let be there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, having people there for the exclusive is an extra.
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  Speaker 3: These are the top kind of news outlets that I
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  Speaker 3: know that the show probably has very strong relationships.
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  Speaker 2: With Yeah, they have their contracts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're not going to probably see TMZ. You're
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  Speaker 3: not going to probably see you know, maybe a reality
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  Speaker 3: TV blog or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's not.
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  Speaker 3: And when we listen to the extra audio, the questions
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  Speaker 3: were I don't want to say easy, but they were
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  Speaker 3: light ish.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say. My guess is ABCPR took a
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  Speaker 2: look at those questions and said, you may ask this,
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  Speaker 2: not this, not this, you know what I mean to
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully I can imagine they are. I know that they
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  Speaker 2: are all scrambling to kind of put a band aid
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  Speaker 2: over this and really like crisis control, like that's where
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  Speaker 2: they're right now. Their show is launching in one week,
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  Speaker 2: and I know.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about even one week less than Yeah Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we talked about this on another podcast,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm really struggling with was there a plan to
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  Speaker 2: release it beforehand to try and drive viewership and listen?
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  Speaker 2: Either way, I think whether if the show airs, people
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  Speaker 2: will watch. They will want to know. Everyone loves the
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  Speaker 2: drama unfortunately, and I think that they'll get the ratings
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  Speaker 2: I do. I think that people will show up. They'll
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  Speaker 2: watch one way or the other, whether they feel good
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  Speaker 2: about it or they feel bad about it. But I
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  Speaker 2: just have wondered over the last day or so, how
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  Speaker 2: calculated this was, and if it was calculated, do they
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  Speaker 2: understand that it has backfired a bit, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I mean that people are not responding well to this.
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  Speaker 2: If that was the whole point and saving this and
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  Speaker 2: hoping to gear up towards her release, or if it wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: it's just all really questionable to me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that there's no doubt that the
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  Speaker 3: media release being late Sunday night was a calculated move.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's no if sands or butts about it. That
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  Speaker 3: she just happened to walk one of the biggest carpets
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  Speaker 3: of her entire career and this, you know, wasn't at
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  Speaker 3: the top of people's minds because they didn't know about it,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So I think that that was a very
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  Speaker 3: calculated move for sure. I think that they really, as
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  Speaker 3: the kids would say, fumbled, yeah, you know when it
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  Speaker 3: came to her. I think that having the season in
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  Speaker 3: the can and having somebody who, for lack of a
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  Speaker 3: better term, is a loose cannon. It does not make
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  Speaker 3: for a good equation.
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  Speaker 2: It almost makes you feel like the show in itself
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  Speaker 2: has no clue who it is anymore, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? They're pulling someone from Mormon Wives, and did
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  Speaker 2: they think that that chaos would match well in this scenario?
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  Speaker 2: You know? It's I think that they translate some viewers,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know that all translate back and forth
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  Speaker 2: and watch the two shows. But it just makes you
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  Speaker 2: want or was this there thinking if they pulled some
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  Speaker 2: of that and made it into the Bachelorette, was that
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  Speaker 2: going to revive their viewership? I don't know, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think?
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  Speaker 3: I think so when we see what Dancing with the
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  Speaker 3: Stars just had, having two cast members on that season
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  Speaker 3: and seeing the wild success and you know, the numbers
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  Speaker 3: and everybody tuning into that, I think that they saw
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  Speaker 3: that and they were like, yeah, we are on the
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  Speaker 3: right track with this decision. I think where they lost
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  Speaker 3: the plot was holding onto the season. Whether that was
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  Speaker 3: like discussed or who made that decision or why that
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  Speaker 3: decision had to be made. That was the bad decision.
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  Speaker 3: You've finished filming in December. You should not be airing
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  Speaker 3: it in March. You should have been airing it in
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  Speaker 3: late January, and you should have started airing it while
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  Speaker 3: you were still editing the end of the season. And
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  Speaker 3: the reason for that is because of the nature of
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  Speaker 3: who she is and the nature of how the other
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  Speaker 3: show rolls, which is that they're constantly filming and they're
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  Speaker 3: pumping out two seasons a year because there's so much
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  Speaker 3: going on in these girls' lives. So whoever made those
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  Speaker 3: decisions up top, I think that's really where you start
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  Speaker 3: with the bad decision making. I think, listen, we could
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  Speaker 3: go back and forth all day long about if she
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  Speaker 3: should have even gotten the role because of her background,
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  Speaker 3: and if she were a man, she wouldn't have gotten
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  Speaker 3: this blah blah blah blah blah. I've heard it, guys.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like I'm negating the seriousness of that. But
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  Speaker 3: the decision was made, and they did bend the rules
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  Speaker 3: for her, and unfortunately she bent back. She did not,
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  Speaker 3: you know, fold into a pretzel into this mole that
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  Speaker 3: they were I think expecting. And I think that they
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  Speaker 3: just don't have the bandwidth to anticipate somebody like her,
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  Speaker 3: because in general, ABC does not make that kind of
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  Speaker 3: programming and they don't deal with kinds of people like her,
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  Speaker 3: who live a little bit more coloring outside the lines
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  Speaker 3: than a typical bachelorette.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why the show works, Heather, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. That's why in the past it has worked.
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  Speaker 2: They have taken people who who relatively I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: know that the show has followed the rhythm of taking
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  Speaker 2: people from past seasons but relatively no TV experience, not
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  Speaker 2: doing anything else because they can mold them.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you need the show, right, they don't need you.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the reverse. They need her, she doesn't
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  Speaker 3: need the show, and so is where you have a
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  Speaker 3: big power difference. Right. We knew she was not going
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  Speaker 3: to play ball. We knew she was not going to
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  Speaker 3: be the quote unquote typical person. I think there's good
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  Speaker 3: and bad that comes with that. Right, there's no denying
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  Speaker 3: that the show was completely stale on its last leg.
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  Speaker 3: No viewership. If everybody can remember, The Bachelorette was not
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  Speaker 3: picked up for another season after tran season, that means
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  Speaker 3: that nobody's watching. Guys. I love your comments of like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to watch this season. I'm not gonna watch.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's been watching. Let's just be super super real. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: been watching and this is a jolt of energy that
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  Speaker 3: the show has not had in probably more than ten years.
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  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, you can go with the
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  Speaker 3: adage of all press is good press. I think in
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  Speaker 3: this situation that's not the case. And I think that
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  Speaker 3: unless there's some major, major course correcting that happens in
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  Speaker 3: this GMA interview tomorrow morning, I don't know how to
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  Speaker 3: get the horse back on the track with this. I
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  Speaker 3: do agree with you that I think people are still
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  Speaker 3: going to tune in and watch, but we should talk
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that, you know, we did confirm in
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  Speaker 3: our last episode that Cinnabon had pulled out of not
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  Speaker 3: only The Bachelorette, but also Secret Lives and Mormon Wives
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  Speaker 3: as a sponsor. You know, it's usually the house of cards.
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  Speaker 3: With one pulls out, then they all start to pull out.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we should move over to this report
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  Speaker 3: coming from Reality Blurb, which says ABC is holding emergency
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  Speaker 3: talks regarding axing The Bachelorette after Taylor Frankie Paul's DV
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  Speaker 3: allegations as first advertiser pulls out.
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  Speaker 2: Man, there's so much there because you know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at it on both sides of the street, Heather,
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  Speaker 2: let's say the air it. They say, any press is
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  Speaker 2: good press. Let's run with it. Let's tell this fairy
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  Speaker 2: tale story over the next ten weeks, and let's see
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  Speaker 2: how it goes. I'm not even touching the rumors that
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  Speaker 2: have already started swirling yesterday about how her and her
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  Speaker 2: final one are not together. They have already broken up,
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  Speaker 2: They ended their engagement before this whole mess started. There
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  Speaker 2: are screenshots of the amount of times that she called
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  Speaker 2: Dakota lots of things or the other side of the street.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say they've invested all this time, this money, this
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  Speaker 2: effort they've produced, to show it is fully produced. They
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  Speaker 2: have edited a few episodes at least at this point,
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  Speaker 2: I would think it's it's close to done.
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  Speaker 3: Well, remember we still have a mental all special that
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  Speaker 3: would have to be filed.
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  Speaker 2: The money. You know this, Heather, you work in television.
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  Speaker 3: That is just lighting money on fire. If you do
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  Speaker 3: not air that show, that is literally taking hundreds of
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  Speaker 3: thousands of dollars, if not close to a million, and
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  Speaker 3: it is lighting it on fire if it does not air.
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  Speaker 2: How does this happen? How do the executives sit down
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  Speaker 2: at the table at the end of the day and
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  Speaker 2: they're like, no, can it? We cannot put this on television?
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  Speaker 3: Well can it if the ad people pull out, because
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  Speaker 3: then they will not make money on it. It will
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  Speaker 3: not be up to them at that point. If the
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  Speaker 3: ads pull out, they have to as a network. They
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  Speaker 3: have to make that decision to get rid of the show,
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  Speaker 3: because those ad people don't just buy on to The Bachelorette.
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  Speaker 3: They also buy onto Gray's Anatomy and other things that
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  Speaker 3: they're on ABC, and those are the relationships that are
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  Speaker 3: more important than one series. Is that a huge loss
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  Speaker 3: for them as a network? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think this will be the end of the show.
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  Speaker 2: How did they come back from this?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely? It will be. If they have to pull it.
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  Speaker 3: We will not be seeing another season of The Bachelorette
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  Speaker 3: or The Bachelor, and we don't have enough contestants for
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise, so the franchise will definitely it'll go
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  Speaker 3: on an indefinite hiatus.
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  Speaker 2: That's what has to.
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  Speaker 3: Happen because they would not be able. You have to
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  Speaker 3: make money. You have to make money, and if there's
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  Speaker 3: nobody buying ads, then that's what goes away. And I
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  Speaker 3: can actually recall two shows in my memory from the
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  Speaker 3: last ten years that had a similar situation. They were
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  Speaker 3: not dating shows, or one of them, I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: that if it was categorized as a dating show. But
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: they had to go away because the ads pulled out.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: And one of them was called sex Box. I was
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: gonna say a theater and there was a giant box
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: on stage and the contestants were couples, real life couples,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: and they were assigned sex exercises. They had to go
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: into this box that was like audio proof, viewproof, whatever
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: they had to do the said act that they were assigned,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: and then they had to come back out on stage
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: and talk about it. It aired one episode, all the
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: ads pulled out. We never saw another episode of that
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: show ever in God, Thank God God. And then there
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: was another one that was done on members of the
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: KKK I Believe for A and E, and they aired
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: the trailer for it. It had a premiere date, it
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: had already been shot, and it was so poorly received
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: by the ad like the trailer, that the ads for
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the network started to pull out that they can the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: show and they never and I want to say that
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: they didn't air it, but that it ended up on
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: streaming years later.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I you know, there's so much more that
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: goes into this. There's so much more that goes into
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: this that we don't even consider and that we don't
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: even think about. But you know what, I'm the things
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the topics that I have seen in the last twenty
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: four hours of people talking about, you know, fans of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the show, fans saying like, we knew this was going
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to be the end. We knew that this was going
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to ruin everything on the show. We knew this was
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: not a good choice. What was ABC thinking? Like, there's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: a lot, a lot, a lot of pushback, you know, Heather.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be doing a premiere in Los Angeles
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: this weekend on Sunday night. I was originally supposed to go.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I will be shocked if they still do it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, they still had a premiere, a media dinner tonight,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I feel like they keep
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: moving forward as business as usual. So that's why I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: really think we have to pay attention to what happens
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: one with the GA interview in the morning, and to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: what happens with ads and companies within the next twenty
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: four hours, because that's really the deciding factor. If we
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: go back to this article, it says, according to Rob
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Shooter's substack crisis, discussions are being held by executives about
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: what to do with The Bachelorette. In the midst of
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the latest PR nightmare, the talks came fresh on the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: heels of Cinnabon pulling their promotion partnership from ABC for
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: The Bachelorette and for Taylor's main gig, The Secret Lives
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: and Mormon Wives. As for why they canceled their partnership,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: they stated it was due to recent developments and allegations
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: that don't align with their brand. This has turned into
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: a full blown crisis. A network source dished there are
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: serious conversations happening about whether the show can move forward
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: as planned. An insider explained the situation was spurred by
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Sinnabon pulling out, noting once sponsors start running, it causes
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the networks too hanic because at the end of the day,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: people are here to make money and it's a shame
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: that her mental health isn't reason enough to do the pullback.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: But that's just not how the world works. And so yes,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: money talks, and so if these ads start to pull
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: we're not going to see a show, and it can
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: happen very quickly, it can happen overnight. So that's why
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I say the next twenty four to forty eight hours
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: will really tell if we're going to see a show
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: on Sunday.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really hard lesson for me when
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I became the Bachelorette is to realize that first and foremost,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it's a television show. They're trying to make money, first
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and foremost. Right, I was so naive at twenty five,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: twenty six years old. I thought, these people love me,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: these people want to see me happy, and I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: there is a part that they do. But first and foremost,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it is a television show and they are trying to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: make money, and every bit of this will be proof
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to that. I'm very, very eager to see how things go.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I am like clinging to the edge of my seat
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: with this Good Morning America tomorrow. I can't wait to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: watch it. I can't wait to see do they let
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: her run wild and say whatever she wants or how
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I will well now guarded. But you know what is
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: so funny. I think as viewers, people will know the difference.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: But you heard the difference in that video I sent
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you tonight from Extra. You already heard it. You already
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: hear the canned answer. You already hear the life missing
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: from her voice. She's already this is out of her hands. Now.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: The Titanic is sinking and she's got to grab on
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: to the lifeboat and she's got to do what they're
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: telling her, otherwise she'll be in breach of contract that
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: and I'm not going to get into what that could entail,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: but there's been plenty of people from the show that
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: have come mountain years past and talked about things that
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: they've done that have been considered breach of contract and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: what the show has done to them to make sure
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: that it doesn't happen again. They don't play around with
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And so I think now it's like,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: we let you do what you wanted to do.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Now you're gonna play nice and do it. You're going
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: to do what we want.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Otherwise we're gonna go get big, bad and scary, because
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: that's what they have the ability to do.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: It's honestly gross, Heather, It's honestly gross, and it makes
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: me feel gross. We're watching a woman, a young woman's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: life fall apart. There's children involved. She's a mother, she
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: is a mother at the end of the day, he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a father. Right. I'm trying very hard not to just
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: play one sided because I don't have a personal connection
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to either one of them.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: But we also do have to maintain the fact that
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: nobody forced her to do this, that she fully offered
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: herself up or went through the process of this and
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: was like game to do it. And so unfortunately it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: it's sad as well that she took on a role
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that she wasn't prepared for. And instead of saying I've
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: taken on a very large responsibility, I have a lot
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: of eyes on me right now. I'm going to need
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: to like put myself in check. I'm going to need
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to put myself in time out. I'm going to need
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm looking out for me. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, a lot of that kind
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of wisdom comes just with age and mistakes, and she's
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: got to have to learn clearly the hard way, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: some people are just like that. But I also think
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: that this is maybe a wake up call to get
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the kind of right people on your team.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I hope, so, I hope, so I hope we see
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: some humility from her.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I think needs to happen on Good Morning America.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: And that's what I want to talk about that I'm
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: not seeing in these quotes. I'm not seeing a whole
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: lot of I've mess step. I'm sorry, Bachelor Nation. Hey,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I took this seriously, like I want you to come
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: and see my journey.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Unfold well, because the truth of the matter is, it's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: no longer just about her. She has filmed an entire show.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: There's been twenty five whatever guys who who came out
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and were a part of a show and for whatever reason. Right,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: let's hope that they were all there for the right
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: reasons whatever, you know what I'm saying. But they also
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: came and gave up a part of their lives and
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: are going to be on television and had expectations. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: swear to God, these unmet expectations will kill us all
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, And they've
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: all given up a part of their life. It was
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: an experience for each and every one of them.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I was seeing was that
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: some of the guys are upset over the fact that
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they came there, you know what I mean. They came
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: there hoping to date her and was she ready because
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: of the situation between her and her ex.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna not take those quotes super serious.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I've just been in this world for way too long.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: And I can tell you right now that men who
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: get on these shows don't typically sign up for them themselves.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: They don't go around looking to go on a dating
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: show because they're ready to find love and like this
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: is their way that they're going to do it and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: they haven't had the right woman. No, I'm going to
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: burst the bubble and tell you that about ninety five
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: percent of them were found by a casting team, a
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: very well rounded casting team who are talented at what
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: they do. But men don't sign up for these shows.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: It is a very rare occurrence. When they do. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: will say this, Women sign up for them all day long.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: We never have a problem finding women for a dating show.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: But men traditionally do not sign up for these. So
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: they were approached by a casting person. They were you know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: either doing something on their social media that was looking
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: for attention that caught somebody's eye, or they were reached
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: out about a television show, and that was the opportunity
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: that they took. Could they have been open to love
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: looking for love? Sure, But I'm really kind of over
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: this whole leg here for the right reasons. Da da
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: da da da.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Just in a number's way, this's a fairy tale ending
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: for me always.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I love that for the people that that
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: get that experience, I think that's great. But at the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: end of the day, the numbers for the show do
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: not equal love for the majority of the cast. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: there are other dating shows where you are more likely
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: to find love and this is not one of them.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And I think just statistically, you have to look at
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the fact that The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is actually
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: not set up for a place for you to find love.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And you might be thinking you're crazy when I say this,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: but you're more likely to find love on Love Island.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Sign me up, let's go.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: It's because there's more people. It's because there's less producer
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: interaction and you're able to just spend genuine connection time.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of there's hardly ever any integrations
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: or things that they're off doing and filming little side
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: plots and whatnot. The Bachelor and the Bachelorette is a
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: whole fantasy world wrapped up in a television show to
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: make it look like a love journey. And so have
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: there been successes over the twenty years that it's been
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: on the air. Absolutely, have we known people that have
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: had successful relationships. Absolutely. I'm not saying it doesn't work.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying statistically, you are not likely to find
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: love on the show these days, especially, but you could
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: on another dating show where you had more prospects, where
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: you had more chance to spend one on one time
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: with people getting to know them, where you weren't being isolated.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And The Bachelor is like living in one location and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: the rest of the people are living in another. There's
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a reason why television networks and production companies don't make
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: shows like this anymore. They don't make I can't think
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: of another dating show right now where there's only one lead.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that that is.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: And the reason for that is nobody wants to take
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the risk of putting a show on somebody's shoulders. And
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that is what we're seeing happen with Taylor, is we're
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: seeing her crumble under the weight of what this franchise
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: is resting on her plus trying to hold her own
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: life together. So the problem is the show is outdated.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: The show took way too long to change with the times,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: and now they've done a huge swing and a miss
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: because they're trying to play catch up and they're trying
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to play ball in a field that they don't really
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: play in, which is this messy kind of more PG
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: thirteen maybe are rated kind of you know stuff and
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: it's just not their field and are just not equipped
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: for it. Am I going to be watching on Sunday
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely want to see I want to see Taylor far
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I really do. I want to see the comeback story.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I prefer a comeback of an underdog then a takedown,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: but that's not the world we live in. And so
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: right now, I'm just really bummed for everybody involved. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I've said it before, but I really think that Taylor
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: needs to go to a real facility, really needs to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: be away from her phone and not engaging. I think
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: her relationship with social media also needs to be addressed
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: and adjusted. The fact that she even on this most
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: recent season, we saw the minute something bad happened, she
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: immediately went and made TikTok videos about said person involved.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Those are all really bad responses things to do, especially
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: when you're thirty one years old. You're not twenty one,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you're thirty one. So I really like her and her volte,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: her ability, and I really enjoy watching her right now,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: it is very obvious because she is using her words
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: and she is actually saying that she is struggling. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: my issue is that nobody's listening.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I'm right there with you.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: The next twenty four to forty eight hours, I so
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: much is going to be told tomorrow's interview with Good
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Morning America, you know what I mean, Like, let's chat
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: after that. I'll be really interested to see what she
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: has to say, what all she addresses. I imagine there's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: some legal aspects too, of some stuff that she cannot
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: talk about. I don't imagine. I know that there are
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: things that she is not going to be able to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: talk about. And yeah, so much is going to be
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: telling in the coming hours, that is for sure. And Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I hope that this is her rope.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: She's had enough length on it, and she is being
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: yanked back to her knees right now, because she is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: only thirty one can live a happy, full life with
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of help and a lot of therapy and
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of boundaries and healthy boundaries. She said it
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: in one of those interviews, they were addicted to each other.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: They were addicted to each other, she said that in
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: one of those interviews, Heather.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: She has said it all season. She has said it's
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: an addictive cycle that they are in. She's very self
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: aware in a lot of ways. And this is why
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I say she needs to go and do something a
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: little more intensive, because she's been very open about her
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: therapy and working on herself. But I don't know if
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: that's actually working. I think she really needs to do
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: something super immersive, and that must be very difficult being
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: a mother. I cannot imagine. But at this point, it's
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you were screaming for help, yeah, and your kids can't
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: help you, and you don't have a partner right now
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: to lean on to help you, so you need to
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: help yourself.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would hope that there's some people surrounding her, Heather,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that are that are pushing her in that direction. I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: hope that she has people who care about her and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: love her around her, who are like let's nip this
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: in the butt. Now, let's get you some help. There's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: lots of places that she can go to. I've done it,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: there's no shame in it. And I hope that she's
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: got people who love her enough around her and say
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: let this be it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Well. I hope the show is allowing her to have
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: those kinds of conversations, because that means not doing press
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: for the show. That means stepping away. And that's what
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I say that this is a dying franchise for a reason,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: and it's because you're putting too much weight on one person.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: When you see another show where there's a dud, guess what,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you have four other people that are sharing the screen time.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: So it's a lot and we've seen in a lot
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of recent seasons, not all, but a lot where we've
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: seen that the lead doesn't really rise to the role
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: and doesn't really adjust well on camera and doesn't feel
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: We've also had Lee come off of the show and
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: say that that wasn't really them on camera, that was
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: a watered down version of them, That was the feeling
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: very self conscious. And I just really think that if
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: we do end up seeing this season come to fruition,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know how quickly we're going to see another
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: one after and if this is the end, it's the end,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and that's a shame because I do want to see it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Well listen, I mean from somebody who's been on the show,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I you know what I mean. Eighteen years later, I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: love still being able to be a part of it,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I do, you know. I mean, I don't have to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be the main character anymore, which is a relief. I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: get to just show up, see my friends, make a
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: little money, have a good time. I love that there
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: is success to the show and I get to be
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: a very small piece of that. I have a very
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: full and grateful heart for that. And if it's done,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: it's like wow, you know what I mean, It's almost
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: like it's something that I can't quite comprehend the end
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: of The Bachelor or the Bachelorette because it's been living
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: for so long and I've reaped the benefits of being
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: part of the franchise for years. And I'm not talking
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: financial benefitshether, I'm just talking about being part of something
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: so special.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Huah. The sisterhood that you guys have is so unique
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and so cool to watch.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: The guys don't have that. There's no group bachelor's text.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I've heard this. They just golf with Ben
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and Chris Harrison.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: But I will say that all good things must come
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: to an end. And I think it's, you know, so
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: cool that you're in this very elite club of being
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: part of the longest running dating show in America. You know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: it's it. That's a cool kind of little honor to have.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: You know that, all these years later, you're still Deanna
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: the Bachelorette.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I say this to Ben all the time. I'm always like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: you're still Bachelor Ben, you know, no Bachelor Bob after
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: all these years, you know what I mean? I think
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that's so cool. But at the end of the day,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: all good things do have to come to an end.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: At the point the bands don't last forever, shows don't
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: last forever, and and things change. And I think that
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it's honestly so incredible that we're still talking about this
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: show years later.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Who would have thought, what will we talk about then, Heather,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: what will we do?
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: We'll have to just hope that Love Overboard gets another season,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: that's for.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Sure, yes, multiple then we then we have something else
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: some some other joy that we can focus on exactly.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: But I really appreciate you coming on tonight and giving
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: your opinion because it is so unique to hear from
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: somebody else who's in who's been in the bachelorette position before.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: And let's not forget that Taylor's only the second single
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: mom bachelorette ever to be on the show. So she's
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: coming in with I don't want to say the word
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: baggage because that's not it, but she's coming in with
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: her own full life. And normally we're used to seeing
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: somebody who is, like you said earlier, a little bit
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: more moldable, and so I think that that's what makes
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: this different, different in a good way. And I have
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: seen so many comments from people in Bachelor Nation. Stop
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: casting twenty somethings. They don't want courage, they don't want love. Well,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: now you got it, and guess what happens.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: They're not happy with that either.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: With real life comes mess with real life, and age comes.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Problems, toxic relationships. You take toxic relationships of people who
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that is messy. I know I've lived it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: It is messy, but that's life, right, And anything that
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I appreciate about Taylor is that she's never run from
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: any of this. She's always been like, this is who
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I am, this is my life, this is how I roll.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And I can appreciate that to a certain extent, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I can appreciate that as talent who is being their
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: authentic self. I won't say, but there are a lot
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: of shows out there, unscripted reality shows that are not
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: genuine to what is actually happening in those people's lives.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: And we can honestly say this moment aside, because we
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: haven't seen season five that's being filmed right now, Taylor
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: has put it all out there. Yeah, so that is
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: why people are connected to her. Again, we do not
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: condone violence. We don't, and so nobody is saying that
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: anybody was in the right. Again, we don't even know
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: all the details to that night, but you cannot knock
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: her for being inauthentic.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that the day we filmed the reunion special,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I said that several times. If anything, no matter what
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: happens in the end, she showed up as herself exactly,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: And I have nothing but respect for that.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: But sometimes when you take on a large responsibility and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: you are authentic and you make mistakes. Where things happen,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: you have to own them because that's part of it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: And we've seen especially and we can wrap it up
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: on this, but we all saw what happened when mel
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Owens took the role of Golden Bachelor. He did not
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: watch the show, he was not from the franchise. He
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: seemed to not care when he stepped into that role
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: and actually said disrespectful things and then doubled down and
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: just was like, that's my sense of humor, blah blah blah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I think that in this situation, obviously there's a huge difference.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: These are not just comments, these are huge allegations. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: she's not running away, yeah, you know, still trying to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: own it. And I think what the biggest mistake they
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: made with mel was that they didn't get in front
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: of it. They waited until his first night in the
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: mansion to kind of half ass address it. I said
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: on Sunday when this broke, we will see her do
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: an interview before next Sunday. And it's happening, and that
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: is the way that you do it. When crisis, when
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: things happen that are wrong, you have to get out
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: there and you have to address it. It'll be interesting
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: to see how she addresses it, because, like you said,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: there's not going to be a lot she can say
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: in terms of anything that's an ongoing investigation. But she
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: can take humility and say that this is a large
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: responsibility for her to take on two shows. At the
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: same time, she can say that maybe she wasn't in
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the right headspace when she came to join the show,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: but that she's really hoping people will find and watch
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: her on her love journey because it is something special.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: You know, There's a lot she can say, and I
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: think we'll all just be tuning in tomorrow to see
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: what that is.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping and praying for it exactly.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks Dianna for coming on, And if you didn't
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: listen in the other day, Dianna and I will be
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: recapping Hulu's Love Overboard starting next week.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks for listening. I've been Deanna and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I've been Heather.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Bye ye.
• 41:19
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