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Holy Hypocrites & CON-version Crooks w/ Tan France · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Scam come from scamm Come.
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  Speaker 2: Rob's right, goddess, whats pop and congregation, it's your girl.
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  Speaker 3: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess, back with another episode of
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  Speaker 3: the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud and those who
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  Speaker 3: practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them.
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  Speaker 3: We will see along the way. But guess you already
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  Speaker 3: know what I call y'all guests at this pet y'all
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  Speaker 3: a our guests on the show as much as y'all
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  Speaker 3: comment and send messages and dvms and emails, and I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate that. Congregation, y'all know I'm very what, yes, excited, thrilled,
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  Speaker 3: elated for our first time guest today. You may have
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  Speaker 3: seen him on Honorable Gaze where he alongside Rob Anderson
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  Speaker 3: and Eric Sadenil Judge MESSI, Reddit Drama, and you certainly
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  Speaker 3: have heard and seen him on Queer Eye, Next in Fashion, Deli, Boys,
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  Speaker 3: Heads will Roll, Princess Power, and so much more. Congregation,
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  Speaker 3: please welcome first timer and certainly hopefully not the last
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  Speaker 3: ten friends to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Hi tan Oh, I love how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great?
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  Speaker 4: God? That was a gorgeous intro.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. We like to give the girls are flowers.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and I've been watching you on TV forever, so
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  Speaker 3: it's so lovely to chat with you in purse.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a feeling I joined TV when you were
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  Speaker 4: three because that skin's making you look like you're a child.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I know you are, you very young.
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  Speaker 4: I've only been on TV for ten years, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not being on TV for ten years?
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  Speaker 3: Is like I mean, when you started, when you were
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  Speaker 3: a zigo, you know what I mean. They took you
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  Speaker 3: out of the womb and they said this face television.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Tanna's a baby. True.
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  Speaker 4: If the audience is a seen you don't know what
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  Speaker 4: I look like, just google it and you'll see that's
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  Speaker 4: not true. I had a face for rayd Yo Radio.
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  Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. But we love the humility. We love
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  Speaker 3: a little fake, humble moment.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know you're giving the girls hope that maybe one
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  Speaker 3: day they'll have skin like tan. Okay, they'll have that full,
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  Speaker 3: luscious head of hair.
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  Speaker 4: I will say this, I know my skin's tight of
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  Speaker 4: forty three and it looks pretty darn good and now
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  Speaker 4: got weirdly blonde hair, but it's a very full ahead
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  Speaker 4: of her. So I know I've got that going for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes and tan. This is also not a concerning blonde.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes, like where my homeboys will go blonde, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: it's something going on in your life, Like it's just
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  Speaker 3: like a very wide no thing.
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  Speaker 4: In certain communities, if you see.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody down they're here bleach blode, you'd be like, what
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  Speaker 2: happened to you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, mine's a great blonde. Mine's like, was he naturally blonde?
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  Speaker 4: The answer is no, South Asians are not naturally blonde.
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  Speaker 2: You are now okay, box pear box swear.
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  Speaker 3: It's like women with bangs, Like one of our homegirls
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  Speaker 3: cuts their banks, We're like, what what did he do?
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  Speaker 2: What did she do? What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: I need you to know that straight girls will always
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  Speaker 4: ask the gay friends. And let me tell you, the
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  Speaker 4: gays have told you enough. Don't do it. They look
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  Speaker 4: great for a little while, but you're gonna cry to
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  Speaker 4: us when it's not looking good. When they've grown out.
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  Speaker 4: It's every like it's textbook three.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna do it anyway, insufferable.
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  Speaker 4: That's the one issue I think the gays have with
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  Speaker 4: their female friends. We love our feet, I love my girls.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a girl's gay one hundred that you've got two
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  Speaker 4: different kinds of gates. You got a gaye gain a
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  Speaker 4: girl's game. I'm a girl's gay. But I will say
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  Speaker 4: the one grive I have with my girls is stop
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  Speaker 4: asking me about those damn banks, because you've learned your lesson,
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  Speaker 4: or you should have learned your lesson. Our friend group
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  Speaker 4: is big, and every one of you I've told don't
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  Speaker 4: get banks, is you're gonna come crying to me in
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  Speaker 4: six months time. You just start, I.
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  Speaker 3: Always say, girling our clipping banks. Now you don't have
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  Speaker 3: to learn like we did back in the day. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm on Real Housewives in New York with bangs that
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  Speaker 3: I cut myself, looking like what I've been through.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, were you one of those one of those I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, Internet like vine girls who caught their banks
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  Speaker 4: and let scy you cut your bangs and you made
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  Speaker 4: the mistake of doing it too short?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, No, see, I learned from them. I learned from them.
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  Speaker 3: I was on the other end of the camera and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, so I gotta twist the hair
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  Speaker 3: and I gotta bring it past my brows and cut
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  Speaker 3: it here.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you curl it. It's gonna be like, well, bam.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise you're gonna get that one time beyond the head,
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  Speaker 3: that one bang that was like above her eyebrows.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, She could do it because it was
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  Speaker 2: fashion on the streets.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know when people are gonna learn, like, have
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  Speaker 4: we not seen enough of those videos to know? Why
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  Speaker 4: are you pulling your hair down to banks? Also? Why
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  Speaker 4: are you cutting your own banks?
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  Speaker 2: Because I have a bang feeling? I can't have a
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  Speaker 2: bang feeling tan.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, life, life gets hard, and sometimes a girl needs blinders. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: she needs something right in front of her eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're looking at this bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: I need you bangs, you're saying right your Riyes, that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: If they fr your rice, you're doing great. But if
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  Speaker 4: they are closer to your natural nowline, then they should be.
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  Speaker 4: That is a problem. That is a deal breakup.
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  Speaker 3: You've now turned that into teenage hairs. They're not baby hairs, quite,
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  Speaker 3: They're not a dollar hair. They're teenage hairs that you
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  Speaker 3: have on your forehead. Yes, oh it's rough, but you
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  Speaker 3: know what, it's a right of passage. It's a right
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  Speaker 3: of passage. And speaking of rights and passages. This is
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  Speaker 3: a worst segue I've ever done. But on the show Tan,
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  Speaker 3: we love to get our guests opinions in the segment
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  Speaker 3: that I call is it.
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  Speaker 2: A scam, a scame, or a real thing?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to ask you about three different subjects
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  Speaker 3: and you let me know if you feel like it's
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  Speaker 3: a scam, which would be something that should absolutely be illegal.
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  Speaker 3: Or is is it a scame where it feels shammy?
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, it's shady it sometimes it can work out,
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  Speaker 3: but it's shady.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like an alleyway.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe down you go down the alleyway and you do
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  Speaker 3: get that faux firking bag in China sound, or maybe
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  Speaker 3: you'll go down there you get hit in the head
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  Speaker 3: with a lad pipe.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know, yep.
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  Speaker 3: And then a real thing is something that we think
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  Speaker 3: legitimately belongs in society.
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  Speaker 4: Great, okay, well we should see lawls. Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 3: My first one for you just to keep on the
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  Speaker 3: skin because we were talking about this beautiful skin that
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  Speaker 3: you have tip multi step skincare routines. Are there a
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  Speaker 3: scam scheme or real things? So by that, I mean
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  Speaker 3: like when you wash your face at night, you got
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  Speaker 3: the toneer, the ret and now the serum, the vitamin seed,
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  Speaker 3: the water, moisturizer, you're using, wash you got the do
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  Speaker 3: I seem too familiar with this.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a feeling that you're about to come for
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  Speaker 4: me so hard because I am I am that festiv
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  Speaker 4: that does all of that. And I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: a scam. I think it's what the last one, real one,
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  Speaker 4: Like everyone should be doing it. Why why are you
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  Speaker 4: not doing If you're not doing a at least a
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  Speaker 4: five step routine morning at night.
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  Speaker 2: Five, at least at least five, what are your five, tam?
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  Speaker 2: What are your five?
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  Speaker 4: Okay I'm talking about like, fuck me. Five is basic
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  Speaker 4: wash your face, but wash your face.
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  Speaker 2: And washing cowns. I think everybody's a wash.
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  Speaker 4: I know some dirty bitches that down't. So that has
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  Speaker 4: to be on. Sorry, it has to be on. So
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  Speaker 4: wash your face with some kind of cleanser and then
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  Speaker 4: the basics, tona, serum, moisturizer, extra moisturize, you've got some
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  Speaker 4: kind of peptad would be so nice. I mean, at
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  Speaker 4: least a retinal and then your moisturize. So that's basic five.
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  Speaker 4: But then you've got those nights like twice a week
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  Speaker 4: where you want to do a face mask, you want
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  Speaker 4: to do an led red mask. Oh my gosh, what
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  Speaker 4: else do I want to do? Sometimes I want to
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  Speaker 4: do a lip plumper whilst I sleep and that lip
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  Speaker 4: plumping mask on. There's so much shit that you could
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  Speaker 4: do five basic. If you don't do the five basic
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  Speaker 4: and you've got problem with skin, like, that's your problem,
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  Speaker 4: not bye.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's the word. Okay, I kind of skew into
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  Speaker 3: it can be a scheme. Unfortunately, I could rat off
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  Speaker 3: all those products because obviously I have them.
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  Speaker 2: Here's where it comes a little scheming to me.
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  Speaker 3: I have the red light mask, and I have the
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  Speaker 3: collar that goes on your neck and your upper like
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  Speaker 3: just sitties, just cities to keep them, you know, looking
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  Speaker 3: as fresh as possible. And I have the one that
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  Speaker 3: like the esthetician recommends it. But my issue is is
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  Speaker 3: that every time I go and get a facial and
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  Speaker 3: I leave with several products and at one point I
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  Speaker 3: think I had like a twelve step skin carried too much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was too much and my skin started to react
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  Speaker 3: and was like girl girl. And here's here's why I
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  Speaker 3: think it might be a scheme. Tan though, like Tan,
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  Speaker 3: I love that you use these products. I use these
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  Speaker 3: products too, But genetics has so much to do with
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  Speaker 3: what your skin looks like. And I feel like people
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  Speaker 3: with your type of skin are always the ones in
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  Speaker 3: the commercials splashing water they face out the sink in
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  Speaker 3: the whole bathroom with and then we all start thinking
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna have skin like Tan if we buy the
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  Speaker 3: whole line.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a little schemy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you know no, you're absolutely no. Okay, that's not
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  Speaker 4: even just a bit skimmy. That's a bit scammy. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: if we're really going to work on the definition. Here's
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  Speaker 4: my issue is if you're going for a facial, I
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  Speaker 4: think the scam is getting you to buy those products
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  Speaker 4: that you use at the facial because that facial shit
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  Speaker 4: that they do, like when you go to somewhere nice
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  Speaker 4: for a facial, they're not just using basic fucking products.
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  Speaker 4: They've got tools, like they've got like proper tools. Don't
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  Speaker 4: tell me that I'll be able to keep this up
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  Speaker 4: with these, as you said, twelve products at home. Get
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  Speaker 4: the fuck out of here, bitch. I know you no,
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  Speaker 4: I know I can't. And so that's the scam. I
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  Speaker 4: never buy the product from the facial place. I will
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  Speaker 4: get the facial done and then I will still use
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  Speaker 4: my products. My facial is just for like a spruce
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  Speaker 4: before a big event. I can't do it maybe once
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  Speaker 4: every three or four months. It's not a regular thing.
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  Speaker 4: And definitely don't fall for the scam of buy this
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  Speaker 4: shit because you're going to be able to do it
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  Speaker 4: at home. No, there's no way you're getting this look
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  Speaker 4: at home.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I fully fell for that scam.
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  Speaker 2: I have a facial steamer like you name it. I
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  Speaker 2: got it for the face.
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  Speaker 4: Bab Oh, you're crazy. Sorry, we should we should have
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  Speaker 4: established that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm We didn't tell you that in the pre interview though, nobody.
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  Speaker 4: Oh ship, yeah yeah, I can't help crazy. Like I
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  Speaker 4: a therapist steam before to get out of it. Get
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  Speaker 4: out of it. No, you you were scammed. I bet
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  Speaker 4: that was expensive too, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: You know it was along with my LED red light
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  Speaker 2: and everything else.
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  Speaker 4: Also, I think that LED red light might also be
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  Speaker 4: a scum.
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  Speaker 2: You have to get the right one.
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  Speaker 3: There's some that don't have enough frequency to actually give
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  Speaker 3: you the halogen boost.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you dropped the kool aid. Well done. I will
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  Speaker 4: say that there are a lot of like derms like
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  Speaker 4: demotologies on insta who will do the review of all
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  Speaker 4: the shit that we used to say whether it's good
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  Speaker 4: or not. They all do say the red light mask
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  Speaker 4: is good. But you're right if you get the right one.
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  Speaker 4: I might not have the right one. I just wait
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  Speaker 4: until some one gifted it, so it might not be
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  Speaker 4: the best one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it might be good. It's for good, it's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's one of those things that we think
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  Speaker 4: is working because it's modern technology, but really isn't.
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  Speaker 3: It does sometimes feel a little bit like a placebo.
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  Speaker 3: But what I will say is that it involuntarily gives
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  Speaker 3: me some relaxation time, because when I have that mask on,
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  Speaker 3: I look like Jason Boorhees and I have to just
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  Speaker 3: like at least sit still for twenty minutes. So maybe
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  Speaker 3: I'm just regulating my nervous system and pretending that my
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  Speaker 3: skin is getting better from.
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  Speaker 4: Regulating your nervous system might be helping your skill.
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  Speaker 2: And it actually does stress Acne is real. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: the whole scam of it all.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. So really you don't need that you should
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  Speaker 4: to put in some kind of relaxation mode and you're
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  Speaker 4: abs to be fine. Yeah, don't spend the money on
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  Speaker 4: the red light mask. I don't think it makes that
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  Speaker 4: much of difference.
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  Speaker 3: I don't either, but I will say, like, there's certain
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  Speaker 3: things in your skincare routine that can help with your skin.
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  Speaker 3: But also it is genetics, and it's also diet. Guys, Like,
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  Speaker 3: diet's a huge one for me.
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  Speaker 2: Gut health.
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  Speaker 4: I know you didn't ask the question, but I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to tell you anyway. I didn't want you. I talk
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  Speaker 4: a lot. I don't drink soda. I eat really healthy.
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  Speaker 4: I try not to eat as you chug your soda
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  Speaker 4: well done water and I always have drunk a shocking
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  Speaker 4: amount of water since I was a teenager. I have
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  Speaker 4: really bad skin as a team, and so my mom
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  Speaker 4: was like, drink a lot of water, start with the soda,
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  Speaker 4: stop with the fried food, and you'll be great. And
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing what it does. So before you invest in
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  Speaker 4: that red light mask that's going to cost you hundreds
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  Speaker 4: of hundreds, maybe just put the diet coke away.
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  Speaker 3: Put the diet coke away, lay off the alcohol, and
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  Speaker 3: get those good gut health foods.
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  Speaker 2: It's good for your mental health as well.
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  Speaker 4: Pickles, pickles, pickles. I know it's gonna sound so ludicrous,
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  Speaker 4: but a lot of pickles really good feod.
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  Speaker 2: Fermented foods can get you some more, rolog get you
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  Speaker 2: some of the leafy greens.
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  Speaker 4: Booky. It's the reason why those Japanese kids are looking
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  Speaker 4: so dumb, good like they eat so much fermented chip.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, we make like the Korean skin diet.
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  Speaker 2: Have they made it yet?
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  Speaker 4: I know they haven't. But chick is bomb? Have you
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  Speaker 4: been have you been sold?
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  Speaker 2: Not? Yeah, but it's on my list. I want to
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  Speaker 2: fry chicken there too, because black American soldiers introduced Korean
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  Speaker 2: people to frying chicken during the war, and then Korean
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  Speaker 2: people took that ship and ran with a Korean yeah
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  Speaker 2: we are.
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  Speaker 4: I would love to join you in that, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't eat meat. But I love that for you. I
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  Speaker 4: love that for you. An you a bit, thank you
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  Speaker 4: so much. I do like to watch people eat, so
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  Speaker 4: I will happily watch you eat that food.
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  Speaker 2: And also I do like a mug pang.
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  Speaker 3: So I so your final boat multi SEPs skin care routine,
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  Speaker 3: SA game okay, okay, light yeah, real thing.
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  Speaker 2: Scheme, it's real thing. Slash scheme.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you there, Okay, what about this one
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  Speaker 3: scam schemeer real thing tan fast fashion slash dupes. So
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  Speaker 3: what I mean by that is like when something comes out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, on a runway, or we see it at
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  Speaker 3: a med or we see it on an actress, or
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  Speaker 3: it's in a popular television show, and then a brand
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  Speaker 3: like a Sheen or a team MoU remakes it, or
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  Speaker 3: even a Steve Madden because Steve Madden loves designer, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So do we think that's a scam, a scheme or
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  Speaker 2: a real thing?
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  Speaker 4: I want to say scam. Well, my perspective is different
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  Speaker 4: from yours.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me hear let me.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we're married. I'm going to plead my case and
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  Speaker 4: you can tell me whether you think it's a scam, scheme, morial.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So I was a designer. I guess wants a designer
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  Speaker 4: always a designer, of course this is And I used
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  Speaker 4: to make women's wear and that's how I started my career.
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  Speaker 4: And I had brands that made women's wear, and I
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  Speaker 4: would design something called private label where I would design
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  Speaker 4: a full collection. Nordstrum target feby twenty one would come
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  Speaker 4: and look at that collection and say, Okay, can you
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  Speaker 4: make this Bras store in this color and this print
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  Speaker 4: which I would have available? Yep, sure, and then I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna put your label in it. But then what I
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  Speaker 4: found was a bunch of companies would then knock off
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  Speaker 4: my product. So I was the designer, they would knock
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  Speaker 4: off my product, and they would then sell it for
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  Speaker 4: less and sell a hag of a lot more. Oh
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  Speaker 4: as far as i'm because they that's a scam because
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  Speaker 4: you're fucking with my money. Yeah, but you you fully
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: fucked with my money, Like the people aren't just buying
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: my shit now because mine's slightly more expensive than your
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: shitty quality version. And so I see it as a scam.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: But I think I only see it as a scam
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: because I was at the top of that pyramid. If
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I were the san or the team or even the customer,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, now I'm getting a barg Like I'm
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: getting a deal. So that's the real one.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, I say, you're gonna give me your opinion, So
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I agree with you about stealing from artists when it
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: comes to their like their intellectual property. And unfortunately it's
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: the wild wild West when it comes to like clothing
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: and in general, because like everything that's been made has
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: been made before, So making something that's kind of similar
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: to somebody else's work that it's more affordable and probably
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: extremely lower quality is not obviously not a new thing
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: and not technically illegal.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Comes to like hard working artists, like I remember the
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: big scandal about like Kim Kardashians, like or not Kim,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: but Kloyd Kardashian's clothing line had a lot of dupes
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: of smaller designers, but they had like physical receipts and
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: evidence of the company. I don't know if I knew
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: about this with the company Good American, like ordering things
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: from smaller designers and then you know, picking them apart
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: and then making them for their brand. So I don't
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with the intellectual property theft, and that
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: to me is definitely a scam. I lean towards scam
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: scheme because there have been so many times that I
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: was in a high in college or high school wearing
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: a Steve mattendup of a Manolo. I had no idea.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, cute shoe, but I had no idea.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Steve was like, oh, my beer LVMA, I.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Agree with that. I don't think. I don't think you
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: the customer is ever the problem. Like they're not the scam.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: They're not the scam, but toll not. They're not even
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: the scheme. They're the real one. They want the thing
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: for less money. I absolutely agree that the customer is
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: the real one, but the company that's knocking off knocking
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: off the designer is the scam. It's a duo, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you ask for a duo, but
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: it's a fucking duo. Two things can be true.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Two things can be true. I think even locked our
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: first duo. And I think that you are absolutely right,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: especially because I look at like a Steve Madden going
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: for like a high in corporation and giving something accessible
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to the you know, the girls on the cul de
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Sac who also want.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: To be fashion girl leies. You know the girls you
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: know in the apartment complexes. I'm in an apartment, you
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? We got that manches, so maybe
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: we're not buying the thirty thousand dollars booth. But you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: if Steve Mann got the same looking boot, I can
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: still give thirty thousand without spending that right, So scamming
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: up like that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: That doesn't bother me because the rich.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Company is still getting they're they're getting their consumers who
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: are not going to step foot and Steve Madden, you
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, it's a and vice versa. But
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I think what you're talking about tan being a small
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: creator and then them taking from you.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Now, that's where it gets very scammy for me.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: And that's the most common Just so you know, that
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: is the most people, whether they're taking from the small
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: crazy because they're like, no one knows this bitch who cares? No,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: that's not lucky. Yeah, that's a pictures lay. Also what
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I'm also going to position this, Sorry, this is not
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: meant to be a PSA, but I will say we
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: love it. So you don't need the dupe of that
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: fancy thing. I've always said, I want to say it again.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: If you can't dress well cheaply, you can't dress well
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: well period. You don't need that knockoff of that lou
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Baton thing. Crazy something. I used to fucking create my
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: own shit all the time. When I was in the
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: high school, I was broke. I came from a poor family,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: really poor family. I didn't have money until I was
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: in my mid to late twenties, and I'm talking about
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: even a bit of money into my mid to late twenties,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: as I was broke. As a joke, I created shit
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: like be unique, Like you don't need to have that
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: same thing that everyone else has got if you can't
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: afford it. I think that sometimes not having the funds
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: makes you so much more creative than stylish. I walk
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: around the streets of New York looking at these kids.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I know they can't afford shit, like I can tell
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: the students, but they look more creative and stylish than
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: any fancy bitch icee on the Upper West Side of
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: the West Side.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, expensive doesn't equal chic, and I definitely had to
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: learn that also. You're right, but sometimes the less resources
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you have, the more creative you are then. And you
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: can sometimes see the difference between like someone who grew
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: up and is in our industry and didn't have as
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: much and someone who grew up in the industry who
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: came from everything, Like our brains just work a little
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: differently because we're a little bit more resourceful because we.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Had to be agreed, agreed, agreed.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm definitely on the same page with you
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: on that. Although I will say this will piss me off,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: and I think y'all getting scammed out there's young people
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: or younger than me people because we're young people. I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: so tired of seeing y'all look like y'all fell in
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a bin a good will and then I find out
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that every piece on you is a high label fashion thing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Like I know, it's kitschy sometimes to get something that's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: like ripped up or whatever from a designer, Like it's
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: like they're like wink at that. But I'm like, girl,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: if you don't take yourself down to a thrift store
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: and get that outfit and it'll be probably better made
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: because this was a whip together in these raggedy ass factories.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: But every time I see Balancia go of.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: That month, that's what I was thinking about.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I could have found that in the trash
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: behind an hobby's.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Now they go jag because I know I stay in
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: a speed secret but still, but they.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Have one or two things that a nice put. Yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: the majority of it. I'm like, you just saw a
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: homeless person on the street and knocked off that person's
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I got the whole look that's.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Wild as hell, okay, yeah, I agree with you. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: agree with you. I will say this though, shout out
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: to the products. I know we're just talking about skincare.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: If you girls want to get into a step routine
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and you don't want to spend a ton of money
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: local drug stores. I read somewhere that like Elf is
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: really good about waiting until a patent has to release
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: their like ingredients, and as soon as they do, Elf
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: will make a doup of that same ingredients way less expensive,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: and so you can be doing your lamier routine with
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: less expensive products and you know, get you a little
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: five step.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And this is for men too.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I don't care if you date men women, if you're
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: paying whatever. I don't know who put the scam propaganda
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: out there for straight men that being hygienic was unattractive
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: to women.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: But if I see a man who smells good and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: his skin.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Is glowing and his nails are manicured, I'm immediately like ooh, ooh, Scar.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: God, kind of how gross can I be? Disgusting? On
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: your podcast? Everyone, thank you so much. You know you're
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: you just on lock something that I've been dying to
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: talk about, but I've never ever said publicly because it disgusting. No,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Everyone's saying, I'm so sorry. This shows you
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: who I really am. I've just they edit me to
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: make me seem chic on TV. There's nothing fucking about me, No,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: nothing about me. I have thought this so many fucking times.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I've said this to my girlfriends. You want a man
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: who takes care of himself. Sorry, I'm gonna get very disgusted.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: You do not want that man putting his hands, fingers
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: on you, or disgusting part in you, in you if
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: those fingers are not fucking taking care of you, want
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: to make sure that if you can't see that he's
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: done at least the most basic skincare routine, and that
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: his hands are clean, washed after every toilet use, perfectly manicured.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Not I don't need a polish, I just need it
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: to be clean. You don't need that shit in you.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: You do not need that man's hands in you. And
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I know you're like, I want a real man. Do
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you also want a disease in your vagina? Because you're
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: gonna get it with that real mind?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You a real you get a real Yeah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna make you real real.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree, And I think straight men listen
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to other straight men too often about what women want.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, baby, and this is gonna tie into
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: our whole episode. I'm like, baby, you're trying to impress
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the wrong people. You need might need to discover why
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you trying to impress them. Because the first thing I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: look at on a man, and I'm pan sexual, so
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: men and women, I.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Really don't have to worry about women. But first thing
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I look at it on a man is his hands.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: It's not the muscles that you juiced uff. It's not
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: all that protein that you've got to get your traps.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not looking at your delts.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at your hands.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something that it's gonna there's
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: there's something that I say that's going to make me
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: seem very very harsh. I don't think i'm harsh. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: just think i'm honest. So I'm very British, which means
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: we're a lot more forward. There was a man. This
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: was in the Delta Lounge. It's called the Sky Club.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: It wasn't too long ago. There was a man who
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: used the restroom and it wasn't one of those restrooms
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: where there are like restrooms within the restroom, where they've
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: got their own sink. It was just stalls, just stalls.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: This guy had very clearly dropped a deuce out, came
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: out as and walked right past me as I stood
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: in the miror washing my hands, and I saw him,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: and he was like hey, because he knew who I was,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: was like hey, He walked out, went to some girl.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Don't know who the woman was, but I'm assuming it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: somebody that he was romantically involved with. And as I
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: walked out, I saw him with her and they were
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: both staring. I said, oh, fancy we say hi, And
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: so I walked over and I said, I'm so sorry
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to say this book. He just he's a boat to
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: wash his hands, enjoy the best of your meal, because
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: I would want some bit to do me that same
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: solid thinking. You ain't putting your girl on me, bitch,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: You are not putting your fingers in me without fucking
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: washing your hands first, you dirty bustard. I'm a girl's girl.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, you are a girl's girl. No wile high for him? Okay,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: like wash your head.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Also, the double embarrassment of being a fan of your
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: work tand and then be like, oh my god, Dan's
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: approaching us, and then you're thinking about to get you
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: with a selfie. You got to think that photo where
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you point incident celebrity and this celebrity is like, hey baby,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: uh you got hella hella fecal germs on ye yeah, Okay,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: don't share no finger foods with Bookie.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, looking at the dookie here. Okay.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Typically I've always smiling and I would never do it,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: but I just watched this poor girl. I just thought
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: you two are in You are intertwined like that boy
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: is gonna try and touch you soon. Dirty bustard, Dirty
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: bustard community.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: We shout out to the community.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I love that for both of us and our last
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: scam schemer. Real thing before we get into the.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Hoodwink here is free trials go on.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So you know, if you sign up for a subscription service,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: let's say, you know it could be a streaming service,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it could be like any apps on your phone, yeah,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: where they give you a free trial. You know, you
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: want that face editing app because you're trying to snatch
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: up that face of that body. You want the extra
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: pro plus airbrush or camp or whatever, and they give
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you that free trial.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's a scam scheme or a real thing.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: It's a total fucking scam. How do we not how
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: have we not seen that? If they don't take your
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: credit card details, that's just a real one. Yeah, keep
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: me that free thing for a week. Come and look
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: that free things for a week. But if you're asking
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: for any of my details, even just my email, because
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: you're gonna bump out my email, oh yeah, with a
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: bunch of office and whatever. If you want to ask
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: a friend thing and return, you're just like, I enjoyed
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: this for a week, bitch. I'm like, oh, you're a
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: real one. But no one's ever doing that. They all
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: always want your credit card details always, and you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: you fucking know we're all way too busy to cancel
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: a membership after week. You were never gonna remember that,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: don't I know that? People say, well, you could just
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: put a reminder on your phone. Bit, get a fuck out.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I'm putting a reminder on my phone about fucking trial membership.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: You know it's not gonna happen. You know that I'm
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: gonna have to pay at least a month, your cheeky bastards.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Do you know what you do in it's a scamp subscam,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the syscamp I.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Recommend if you have an iPhone.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, and Andrew, I think
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: it's just like the app store as well, but like
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: go in there, look at subscriptions and see what you're
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: subscribed to and look down the list because you'd be
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: surprised something might still be charging you. There's also reputable
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: ways to go through your bank to see how many
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: prescription subscriptions are coming out of your account monthly.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I recently did that and started canceling Hella shit.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: But there's a way to PayPal. I've had a PayPal
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: membership for about fifteen years and I know it comes
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: out of my account, but I have no idea how
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to stop.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: People.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: That's one of the hardest I have subscriptions that go
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to pout and people I won't even line up your
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: subscriptions for you. You have to go through the payment
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: things that are being like extracted, because sometimes your Apple
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: apps won't even show you all the subscriptions that you have.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: You really have to do some forensic research to see
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Sean Nickel and diming you. I also recommend having a
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: fake a spam email I have an email from Yahoo.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: That's where all of my clothing accounts, all of the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: things go to for the advertisements, because I might want
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the discount, or I may want to send all my
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: receipts there, but I don't want them in my real work.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: A personal email, So everybody, you need an email. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: used to probably like a porn sign up email. You
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: need an email that serious.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I think your type, like, I don't know your now
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: that sounds very type to me. The best way.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I might have some some type A tendencies flown around,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: but I'm very typey. Baby, damn, you get to know
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: your girl. Okay, I lose everything right, Oh yes, I
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: literally This week I had a flat tire and so
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: luckily I just got my car detailed, and across the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: street there was a place that sold tires.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So I go and I get a new tire, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the guy's like, okay, your car is ready to go.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So I get in my car and I drive away,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and I have a push to start, so you have
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to have the keys in the car to start the car.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So I start the car, I drive away. I'm driving home.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I'm off the freeway. Whatever.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I stopped to the bank to deposit and stuff. I'm
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: trying to park my car at the bank and lock it,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, where are my keys? I just got
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: my car detailed right, so it's very clean. So I'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: looking around the car like did I drop them? Did
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: they fall through the seat? I got my phone flashlight.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I'm looking look and look and look and look and
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: look at everywhere. I'm like, where the hell did I
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: put my keys? And my car doesn't run without the keys,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: so I turned it off, turned back on. It's still running.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, where the fuck are these keys?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Tell me why. I finally get out of the car
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and I noticed that the.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Keys are have slipped in between the window and the
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: front trunk of my car.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So I drove on the freeway with my keys sitting
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: outside of my car.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: S insane.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: The mechanic who changed my tire put my keys on
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: top of my car and I just drove away.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: That sinsane. I can't believe it worked. Mine. Mine has
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: to basically be on the pushbutton to work. That's insane.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: That yours worked outside the car.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You know the windows shield it slid into that podcat.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I just on the freeway when my keys Willy nilly
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: outside of how.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: The fuck did you find those? I would never thought
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: to look there.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: That is wild because I'm type B and I was like, where,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: what's something in the refrigerator?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: No?
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: No, No, that's typeing bullshit because you knew what to look.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I never would have thought of that wild.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: No, I only know because of shenanigans. Once you find
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: your remote control and your refrigerator, once you know what's.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Going on in your life, you know, you know yourself,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you gotta look at unexpected places.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: That's that's that's fair.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: But yes, free trials, guys, just use the app which
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: for what you needed for and then immediately cancel it
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: right then and there. Now a few apps and things
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: will only let you do that a couple of times
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: before they're like, oh no, girl, you you locked in now.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But I do think because then they know you all
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: the scamma, yes, and they need to be the scamma.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: The scamming.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: You're not robbing us, we robbing you.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: What do you think this is?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, becomes a spider Man beat. Yeah. No, I completely
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: agree with you.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: But I do think if you don't use an app
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: very often and you just need it for a very
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: specific thing.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and get that free trial and then immediately
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: once you're done.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: One percent, do it. But you're gonna have to find
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: a way. I just haven't because I'm too lazy of
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: a person to find a way to remind yourself. Otherwise
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: you've fought for a long term. They're gonna charge you
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what I'm saying, do it right then in
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the moment, use the app and then immediately delete it
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: unless you think you're gonna use it, and then I
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: guess getting people they money. Yeah, yes, well those were
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: amazing revelations, Tan, thank you so much. I've learned so
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: much about you. And seems now we're gonna get into
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the main event of the episode. This is called historic hoodwinks.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: This is where we were Gale ten with a famous
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: concaper group of criminals.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: We don't know yet.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, but for
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: sure we will laugh at them, but never at the victims,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: because there should be no shame around getting scammed.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Life is a scam.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: We're all getting God at some point, okay, and hopefully
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: this will prevent us from getting scammed. So before we start,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I do want to give a content warning up here
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you know, we like to lee would love life and
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: crime over here and not get too dark. But the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: topical story that triggers this roundup does involve soliciting sex
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: with a minor. We won't be getting into doing details there,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: but just so you know, we don't want to retrigger
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: or we traumatize anyone.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: You know, all know how this podcast goes.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: But in the subsequent list of scammers, we try to
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: curate out the more disturbing crimes. So if you're interested
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: in those types of things, like you know, the links
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: are always in our footnotes, but we're gonna keep it
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: u scam related here.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Just want to let y'all know. Okay, So here we
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: go Historic Hoodwings Today ten we're talking about Alan Chambers first,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the former gay cure minister.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Who was arrested for soliciting sex with an underaged boy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Has joined a long historic list of anti gay activists
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: who later came out or were outed as gay. We
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: do not condone outing, even if like it's a really
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: vicious scammer on this podcast, that's still your choice. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: will say as a gig, I don't condone outing, but
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not a purist when it comes to getting my
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: lick back.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: So I don't even know what what does that?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: See, So, like getting your.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Lick back means like if someone were to like hit you, right,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: they hit that a lick right, Like a lick can
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: be a robbery like you catch a lick like, which
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: means like you go rob people. So people might get
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: their lick back like revenge basically, but it can be physical.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: It also can be like I'm robbing you, or it
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: can be like, oh, you talked about me, I'm gonna,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put your shit on the Oh yeah, so
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: it's just getting a revenge revenge.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah, get your licked bag. Absolutely,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying that because I'm sorry. If you're anti abortion,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: if you're anti gay, which to me personally, I don't
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: know why you and other people's business. Mind your own.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Mind your own. There's so much business for you, don't mind.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I am so bogged down by the minutia of life
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: every single day. I don't know where y'all find time
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to hate. Okay, I got to do my laundry. I
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: don't have time to be a bigote like same. So,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: but so when they are gay, which I don't like
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: to label them all as closeted homosexuals, because I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: that's also negative to be like, oh, someone's homophobic all
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, like they must be gay, like they're
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: not nonymous.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But when you got too much interest in the business,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Why, she protested to Yeah, yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: So Alan grew up in a Southern Baptist church in
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies and eighties, where he felt ashamed for
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: his secret attraction to men. Makes sense, Southern Baptists. They
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: don't let you dance, they don't let you drink. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: don't think they like I'm from the South. I'm a
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: missionary Baptist. I don't think that they let you. You
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: gotta wear skirts to church. I don't think you can
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: wear makeup. I don't think you can have an alcoholic
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: your wedding if you real Southern whoa, Yeah, it's like
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: footloots over there.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Shit. I thought old Christians except the balls were allowed
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: to drink.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, they got some strictness if you're a real Southern Baptist.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: So Alan claimed to overcome his gay ness. He said
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: he was delivered and became the president of Exodus International,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: one of the largest conservative Christian ministries.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: They love to put it international.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: After it because that's one thing, like I don't think
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: any religion is better than another, and that includes choosing
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: not to believe. I think it's a casino. Put your
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: money on whatever you want to put you on. Money
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Me personally, I got a little coin.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: On every religion.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: You know, if it's if it's Buddhism.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get up there and I'm gonna be like
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Buddha was good.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: If it's reincarnation, I'm gonna be like, can I be
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: a rich lady's dog?
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: I show everyone respect because you never know how it's
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: gonna happen.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Ever, go.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: We here too.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That's right. If I get up there's Judaism, I still
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: believe that God is he around here. It's Christ. I
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: was with Jesus as well. That was the whatever it is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a scaer. I'm trying to get in whatever up
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: there I want to be in.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: So but I will say that Christians are We're the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: absolute worst when it comes to like spreading religion, like
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: nobody asked you to convert them, like stay at home
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and Judaism, you gotta go knock on their door do
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: you have to Hey.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, Christians really do love missionary work.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's because it's all about capitalism and own any things.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: That's why priests can't marry because they don't want no
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: land from the church going to any other lineage.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: That's where it comes from. It's not religious.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: It is wild that they read you go all over
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: the world and just stay way you are, just say
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: where you at. Nobody locally no aso.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Also, I think you are doubting God if you got
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: to go spread the gospel, because why you think God
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: can't get over there and get a bush burning?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I asked you to do that. So but of course
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: he's involved in this, right alan is.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: He's the president, and he addressed the subject of homosexuality
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: from two thousand and one to twenty thirteen. The followers
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: believe that same such attractions were sinful and should be
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: either forcefully changed or just repressed forever, and that it
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: was better to manage your temptations.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: We've seen this before, so well oh yeah that yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: just don't be who you are, yeah yeah yeah, be
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: a completely different person to lie your whole life.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, oh God made you in his image. But
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: like he said, put some of the files behind the paywall.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, that's right. Yep.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: So for a time, Exodus International promoted the gay cure
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: of conversion therapy and pseudo scientific practice of trying to
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: change a person's sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expressions
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: who align with their heterosexual and cisgendered norms.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And their slogan was change is possible. That's not very inspiring.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: It was in parentheses just kidding or tricky bit or
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: tricky bitch or no it ain't or any of your
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: ball because it's bullshit. Oh my god, love, the change
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: is possible?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Was it for you? Because I still so condict behind
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: closed doors? Is it? Yeah?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You just changed locations. We saw you in the park, babes.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Is you just hiding it from people that ain't change?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: You have better secrets.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: And also, one thing I do find hilarious about biggots
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: is they never have any good messaging, any good comedy,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: any good fashions.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Like you couldn't come up with a better slogan, the
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: change is possible. What about pray the gay away? No
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: gay today, gay no way entertaining yesterday but not today.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Cometh Yeah, yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Something Sassia got it. It's always a real fucking snooze fest.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: That makes you think, why would I want to go there?
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: You want to attend swear fun?
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they get it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: They want to pray the gameway, y'all.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Not even making straightness look fun.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest gripe, that biggest have with
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: pride is that one pride is actively political because being
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: queer has been in a political statement because it was
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: politicized and you've been persecuted, so it is supposed to
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: be a political statement and a celebration. It's not about sex,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: it's about the the rights to exist as a human being.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: And but what biggots sea and take away from it
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: is just like everybody's dressed so well?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Is that glitter? They got the best music? They why
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: everybody got abs?
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Like try let go it and you might
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: be happy too. Yes, they do look like they're having fun.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Try it. You might leave fucking group no longer be
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: the president.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: You miserable, fork, because every celebration of heterosexuality.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Is quite fis snooze first. I mean you're talking about
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: the Republican National Convention. Yeah, however, they're loving that grinder.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: They do that grinded be all fire anytime. Okay, they're busy, Okay,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the app has to keep track of just
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: like Republican national events and be like, we need more
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: need they do No.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Legitimately, the guy did like some talk recently and said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: it's amazing how much manpower we have to put in
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: to the surrounding areas of wherever that convention is, because
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: we know it's going to be fucking next level. It's
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: the busiest time of the year, and I just think, hey,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: you guys, the calls coming from inside the house, maybe
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: stop bitching about the rest of us and focus on yourselves.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: You're the problem, not us.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And also, I.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Feel like at this point it would just be better
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: for all of the queer you know, whatever we are
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: on the spectrum people to come out in politics and
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: be like, yeah, everything's cool, we all know it, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: then just let that be that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like fighting against it is making.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: It so much same saying look, I don't agree with
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: your politics, but you can still be that political party
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: and Dick, that's fine, it's fine.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I was gonna jud you not for that, okay, but
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: everything else.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, everything else, But no one's in d just enjoy it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, heavy on the agree, right.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: So obviously there's no scientists like or scientific evidence that
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: change is possible.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: You're justizing.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I can tell you there is zero scientific evidence. Yes,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: scientific makes it clear it's not possible. But go on.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: So conversion therapy is under consumer fraud by the way,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: it is where is the lost guests?
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: And uh?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: The Supreme Court recently turned over some conversion very policies
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: in Colorado, which we do not like to see, but
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: as a scam and it should be an outlawed medical practice. Okay,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: So like it's not the term that doctors use because
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: it's not really therapy when they talk about conversion therapy,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and it can involve lots of methods from prayer to
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: electroshock therapy, brain surgery, exorcisms, castration, hypnosis, and a twelve
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: step program called Homosexuals Anonymous. Because now, I've always wondered,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: especially in the camps that take on men male men
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: of any ilk of these conversion camps, aren't you just
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: rounding up a bunch of gay men.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: And it woods?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Do you know what? Because I feel like where I'm
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: gonna find my husb do you know what.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: This is so controversial to say, but I'm not talking
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: about the extremes. I'm talking about the ones that would
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: just chitchat, like the like the I've got quotes everyone
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: the therapy wants. I'm like, wait, if they're just trying
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: to talk the gayway or prayer the gayway. As a kid,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I thought, whoa, I want to go to one of
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: those because everyone's gay and I'm probably gonna be. My
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: husband like, where better to go? Now? If you are
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: forced to go to those shocking and it's a trauma
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: that I can only imagine. Yeah, But if it's one
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: of those where it's just like a chit chat and
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: you have the choice to go, I'm like, yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's voluntary, I might want to dip it
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: all just to see what's born on the ones where
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it should be away your parents sign you away. Obviously,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: those are the effects. They're all horrific. They're all horrific,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: But it would be interested to see who's showing up
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: voluntarily for these.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: But if there was like a local church. I live
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: in La do you talk If there was a local
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: church down the street that said, do you want to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: come and talk about what it looks like to maybe
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: pray the game way of like, yep, don't they have that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: One show when Utah about the Mormons who I'm married
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to the gay man?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, but that is not actually the show. The show
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: is called wives, and those men aren't.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're out no, but they call it
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: ssa same sex attraction, like is a disease, And then
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: they'd be like have us they say, but I'm a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: straight life.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, sorry, I feel bad for you.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: To be fair, I don't think that them said that
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: that show. But Okay, a lot of people assume that
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: those husbands are homosexual. I love how you just out
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: here fully outing.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: The past sting. It came across too clear to me
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: all scurious. I was like, we're all.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Experience, right, same sad and unfortunately the ones that we're
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: talking about, they all tend to skew to the cruel
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: unusual in human torture. They are banned in Canada, Brazil, Ecuador, Spain, Germany, France, Malta,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: and New Zealand. However, in the US it's still legal
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: in many states. That's why I brought up Colorado, even
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: for young people. But it's legally considered consumer fraud because
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: you're not getting what you pay for.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: You leave just as gay as your game.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: And this came from a twenty fifteen court case in
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: New Jersey, so they brought all the way to the court,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: and I want to know who went to a lawyer
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: and was like, I am still gay.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I won't buy my Oh. However, that is so the
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: kind of pay ship I would have done back in
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: the day if I would have been sent to any
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: of those, If I paid to try and get the
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: gay away, I'm like, I know it's not possible, but
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: then I'm gonna sue these bitches. Yeah right, I rung on.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: The same smart page. I feel like I would be like, oh,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I just saw Tessa Thompson and the Loins was loaning.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Give me my money, beb give me my money bet, especially.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: If I knew that it was just one of those
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: voluntary ones I would pay knowing that I was gonna
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: suit if I was broke. If I was broke, I'm like, yeah, Okay,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get rich quick.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to that thing. I'm gonna give them
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: my money and I'm gonna assume because it's not possible.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Yep, I'm coming back to court with a girlfriend and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: a neck brace and I want my money.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: To day, I would scam them back, sue them. So
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: back to Alan.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Alan married a woman named that Alan's our exodus international
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: president gay president.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: But I said anything.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: So Alan married a woman named Leslie and adopted two children.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: He wrote three books, including My Exodus from Fear to Grace,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: God's Grace, and the Homosexual.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Next Door God. This is this is a full title, God's.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Grace and the Homosexual next Door Golan Reaching the heart
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: of the gay men and women in your world. Now,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: why you got to go bother the gay people?
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: What do you mean they next door? You gotta go
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: bother them? He wrote a whole book, Oh bothering gay people?
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Please? Whoever? His wife is his friends and family, they
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: could have look.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: This is her wife. This is his wife. That's Leslie.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I see Leslie.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Subaru and she loves making canoes in the backyard. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: know it's this is lavender.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: If I've ever seen last I can smell the lavender
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: marriage through screen.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: It's smell love to and they adopt the kids. They
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: ain't never, no, no, she never.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Wanted to stay away from me. I'm a little concerned
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: that no one said to him. Obviously his friends hate him.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: None of his friends said, you know what, love, You
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: might want to reconsider that title. That's a long ast title.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: No one's going to read that. Yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Also, reaching the heart? Why do you have to reach
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: the heart of them?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that's because he want to hang out
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: with his community. That's why he's so involved. He was like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: how can I be with the gay community, also have
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the Christian biggest still on my side. Okay, I'll go
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: over there and admonish them. I know, I have to
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: go to the abbey because I need.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: To tell them.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I tip the Go Go dancer because I want him
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to come down and pray with me.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I'm sooking up the Go Go I'm just doing that
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: so they understand how wrong it is.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I want them to see how once you have sex
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: with a straight person, you become straight too.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: But that's right, that's right.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: And the last book title here, speaking of long one, San,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: here's another one leaving Homosexuality Colon A Practical Guide for
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: men and women looking for a way out Uh.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think you should have said looking for a
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: way out. They're out there out.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: You're looking for a way You're.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Looking for a way out. They're not looking for a
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: way out. You're looking for a way out.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: So oh that poor bustard, right, you're looking for a
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: way out of the biggest in Christianity that you're a party.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're looking for a way out of
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: the closet. You stop the stunt to do it, so
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: you're pretending you're not gay at all?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Well, way out of what?
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Can we Please stop acting like the gay community is
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: having welcome parties.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: We are not trying to convert anyone. We're not like,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: oh you came over here, he was gay. Don't leave anybody.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: There's no way out. Just stop stop having sex with
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the same sex people here out What do you mean?
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Also a way out of what? Joy? Happiness? I think
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: that's anticity self expression, like what away out of what?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: When you come out almost every I don't think i've
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: ever met one person's like you know, I wish I
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: would back in the closet. I feel like free, get
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: the fuck out of here, Get the fuck out of here.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no said no one ever is to go be
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: in a snooty or suppressive place where everyone's judging you
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: constantly and you can't be yourself.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: No one has ever been like, let's walk into that.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no one's looking for that. So no, they don't
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: need a way out the perfectly happy once they're out.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: No, do you want to join this prison way back
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: in the club?
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Come on in?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: It's terrible.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: It's like he wrote from himself, paw busted, but also
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: evil busted. What busted?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Because like you could have just enjoyed your life, but
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: instead you're so miserable. Your held man are making others miserable.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: So you can get that company.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: So twenty eleven Excess International Release and iPhone app I
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: think they had a subscription a little freak promoting the
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: idea that homosexuality can be cured. It was later removed
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: from the app store.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: What am I supposed to do? On Pray to gay Away? Like?
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Every time I get a gay feeling, I get on
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the air.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Oh nor gates in your area? Run run like what
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: is this?
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Twelve Alan backtracked on conversion therapy and stopped using the
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: term gay cure, admitting that the methods usually didn't work,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: and in twenty thirteen, Ex's International dissolved completely.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So he did give this up, which.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I'm however, I need to pose you. He said, usually
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: just on the work. How many times did you're using
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: the word usually wrong? Tell me how many fucking times
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: it work? How many times did you convert somebody from
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: gayta straight? Give me the exact numbus.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like they usually was for him to give
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: himselves some kind of you know, absolution, absolve himself rather Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: He know it's never, but he can't say never. He
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: was doing it for like three it was whole life. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: it was his whole life.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: It was his entire personality. It's all he got.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing it longer than that, think about decade.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: So Alan never changed his.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Public beliefs though that you know, this is not in
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: the Bible, which like y'all don't read the Bible because
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff in there that if we
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: did it, y'all, yeah, dismade.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: I love them people, so this side note, I love them.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Americans, even though American American Christians, we'll
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: talk about other religions as if they're so damaging like,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: have you seen what it says in the Quran. I'm like,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: it says basically the same thing in the Bible. Bitch,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: How stupid are you?
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, most of us who are smart know that a
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: lot of those allegories we're not gonna actually do that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: My dad didn't try to sell me off, you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: for the family. You know, like there's a ton of
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: things in there that we don't want to do.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So he was arrested Alan in Florida May after
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: a month's long sting operation in which he was messaging
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: an undercover detective posting as a fourteen year old boy.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: He was using Snapchat, telegram, text, and he did send
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: us a picture of his penis at onny point. So
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: not only was Alan found a fraud for promoting a
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: belief system that one he does not adhere to and
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: you absolutely does not work, but he was also.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Doing this solicitation of a minor.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad that the person that he was listening
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: was an undercover cop and that it was a thing.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I love a chrins Hanson moment because then the actual
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: children aren't getting involved, but we're getting your nastys off
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: the streets.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Period.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Sit down with your wine coolers. Bitch, you're going to
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: jail tonight.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Love it. We should really have written more books about
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: how to stop being a pedophile as opposed to a
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: gay person, because that's the major issue we've got here,
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: because these are two separate things, Yeah, lassively, two separate.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: One of them is normal and beautiful, the other one
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: is a fucking crime and disgusting.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: And that's just exactly about that.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: You're focusing on the thing that's not an issue whatsoever
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: as opposed to you being a fucking dirty bustard.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody is welcoming pedals into their community with open arms,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: as they should not be.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what you need to worry about.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: So with these alleged crimes, Alan joins a long line
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: of historic hypocrites and to gay activists who have turned
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: out to be the very thing that they were trying
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: to outlaw. You were too hyper fixated on it, Like
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: why do you care? Also, I'm not even worried about you.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Being a biggot is not at the top of the list.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: You trying to harm children, that's the very very top
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: of the list.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: But you to prison and don't try to claim that
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: it has anything to do with homosexuality, because you did
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: that weird shit on.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Your own, Okay, And I know I shouldn't encourageous, but
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: that can treat your real right impresion dully.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Like I hope for it to be consensual, but maybe
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that's where you need to be so you can be
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: your living your truth. But actually, if they find out,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: what's all your jacket, and a jacket is basically I
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: got some you know, I got some criminals. Aby Chatting
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: with a jacket in prison is basically like your medical forums.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: What you're in for all of that. If you don't
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: tell people what you are in for prison for, you
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: don't have to worry. The guards will either tell the
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: game or you know, they'll get your jacket and then
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: you gonna start whopping on your ass for harm. Bring
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: women and children, So that's.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: What she discussed with children. I'm like, ye, get the busted, yep,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: get them.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: So Exodus founders ended up marrying each other, right, So
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the two people who founded it, So remember Allan was
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: the president, he's the creep who went to prison. But
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: the founders of Exodus International, which was the principal right
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: that gay attraction could be cured. They ended up marrying
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: each other. Michael Bussey and Gary Cooper, not the actor
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: from the Western movies A Different Guy, met while working
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: on a crisis hotline at melody Land Christian Center and
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Evangelical Christian Church.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: They were both married.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Gary has two children while Michael was soon to be
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: a father, and both identified as.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Former homosexuals who had been cured.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Together they founded Exodus International that Alan's creep Bass was
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: the president, which was the largest ex gay organization, and
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: they intended to turn gay people straight. They were popular
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: speakers on the evangelical circuit. Their famili's vacation together, family's
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: vacations together. I'm sure y'all did a lot of boys times,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: the wives with the kids and when it head boys time.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: And they moved their families into the same apartment complex.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Gary and Michael's wives were best friends. Of course, they left.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: They left the group to be in a relationship with
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: each other in nineteen seventy nine. They divorced their wives
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: and participated in a commitment ceremony in nineteen eighty two,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: and they lived together until Gary's death in nineteen ninety one.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: In two thousand and seven, Michael is an apology for
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: his involvement in promoting orientation change through exodus.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: So, Michael, they've come back and apologized.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, but here's my thing, and this goes across men
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: of any sexual orientation.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have to maybe attribute this to whiteness first,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to start with white men. I am
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: so exhausted with a white man's personal problem, their own
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: self doubt or self hatred, their own inconvenience, their own
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: issue having to become the world's problem. It is one
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: of the biggest plagues that has been around for centuries,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: is I mean, we're dealing with it right now in
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles with Spencer pres That weird ass, bitch ass
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: white man's house burned down and he ain't had no
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: fire insurance, So now I gotta deal with him for
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: six months.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: He's fucking crazy though. People fall for every fucking time
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: a life. How stupid are you? Look what happened the
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: last time we fell for some clown. He's now running
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: a country.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, Donald Trump didn't get enough hugs from his dad
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: and his weird, his weird looking as family, and they
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: only gave him a little, tiny, one million dollar loan
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: to start off his gripting scheme, and and and the left,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: the liberals, the cool people never let him sit at
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the table or give him no cause life gambling licenses.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: And now the whole world has to suffer.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: That's right. And we didn't learn a lesson, even in California,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: didn't learn that lesson. And now the proper old Spencer Prat,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I need you to know, prop means something else in England.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Do you know what pratt means in England?
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: No, but I would love to so I can use it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Prap basically means you're a fucking dick. It just means
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: a fucking a whole absolute fucking prop like it's usually
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: a guy, and it's like that tool, like fucking a
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: hole that every circle's got, every community's got a fucking
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: a hole. That's what Pratt is. Of course, his name
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: is Spencer fucking Prat.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Accurate name, perfect name right on.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Her foots for me.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess this apology is out there.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: At least he took the opportunity to apologize. But at
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: the same time, you spend most of your life with
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: your loved one trying to ruin other people's lives, and
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm sorry it's gonna help with that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this for which is shocking. Brace yourself.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Back in the day. I know it was a lot
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: harder for them to be who they are naturally in
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: the seventies, eighties, nineties, So I understand that it's hard. However,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: that didn't mean that you had to go and take
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: that news that against your own people. I understand it
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: was hard, but even an apology now it isn't really
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: going to cut it. You could have just dealt with
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: your own shit and not inflicted pain on others.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, hurt people. Hurt people, but white men do
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: it on a much larger scale. It's not just their
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: families that they're hurting. They're also going to reach out
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: into the communities and try to hurt others. If they're
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: an ambitious, hurt person. Oh, we're all in front of
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: a world of trouble. Well, they get up every day
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: and that's why they open the eyes.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, how can I inflict pain on others today?
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I can't be the only afflicted one somebody else. It's
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: got to be punished.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I always say those types of people if you can't
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror, baby, they look it out the window.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: What y'all got going on? Yeah, I can't face myself
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: all in your shit? Okay, So now let's move on
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: to doctor George Rigers. So in the year two thousand,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: the state of Florida a lot of Florida going on here,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, Florida is.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: So embarrasing, like truly.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: In the year two thousand, state of Florida hired doctor
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: George Wreckers which perfect last name because you reconship to
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: defend the state's ban on adoption by gay couples. Arkansas
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: hired him for the same job in two thousand and four,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: and he did it again in Florida in two thousand
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: and seven. He was a professor of neurops psychiatry at
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: the University of South Carolina and are ordained Baptist minister,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: and he co founded the Family Research Council. I mean,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I guess like this makes sense to me because I
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: be at the gay club on Saturday and sometimes the
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: church on Sunday.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: It does feel like I'm in this.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: So he was an officer and scientific advisor for the
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: National Association of Research and Therapy of homosexuality.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Can I stop you for a second. I feel like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: I know where the story's going to end, but I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: just need to ask, did anyone look at his hard
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: drive and did they find keep on on that ding
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: ding ding? Yeah? You always Mark, always a fuckinga. Sorry
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: to jump the shop, Please continue on.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Now, yep. Because he was trying to ban gay people
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: from adopting children.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Remember, yeah, of course where's the.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Thoughts coming from? So he said the gay parents were
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: a danger to their children. So it was shocking.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: That's us that he was caught coming home from a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: European vacation with a male escort named Lucian, who he
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: found on rentboy dot com.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: In twenty ten.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Shocker, What the hell is rentboy dot com? And why
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: the hell is the government not shut that down? I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: just feel like the government in general should just be
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: searching online sketchy ass titles for websites and going straight
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: to those people's I Pea addresses in their homes, like please.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: We can truck American system for fucking any random bit
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: of shite, like we're always being tracked, yet we can't
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: find these fuckers. Do you know why? Well?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I was about to say ready, because there because the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: people who who would be tracking him are likely involved. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: So at first, George said he hired the man to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: carry his luggage because he just had surgery. You know how,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: you gotta go on rentoboy dot com Europe and then
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: they carry your luggage back.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: I always have prostitutes with me because I find difficult
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: carrying my back. So yeah, I always yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have nobody who works in TSA who
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: does that? Don't worry by day. No, you can't hire
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: like a car company.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no poor.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he said he wasn't able to lift anything.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like it was lifting something, George. He also
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: tried to explain himself with a Facebook post. He says,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: of trying.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: To help them.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Remember we said that's why they do it, so they
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: can be around the people that want to be around.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: He resigned from NARTH and hasn't been hired as an
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: anti gay expert witness since then.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: So something doesn't seem right. How is he not an
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: expert this?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: He is an expert on it, but like not for
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: the reasons that they wanted him to be and so
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: as far as we know, there's no involvement with they
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: need like the escort was of age. It seems I'm
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: not getting any flags there, but I'm sorry, rentoboy dot com.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Sounds like sounds like you involved in the stuff that
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: she was talking about. And I would argue that a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: queer gay couple lesbian couple wanting to adopt are gonna
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: be some of the most loving families because if they
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: can't conceive, then they really want a child.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: They want that child that was in an accident.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: I know many a straight couple who and I know
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of shitty straight parents, a lot of shitty
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: straight parents. Whenever I hear that fucking argument, I get
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: it constantly, constantly online. Oh those poor boys of yours.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, bitch, watch how I raise my kids, and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: watch how beautiful I with my kids, and I see
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: you with yours, and I'm going to watch out for
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: your neighbor's daughter, you dirty bastard.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Right, because they they still they're still the straight adage
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: of like oh boys or easy than girls. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: because you don't raise them, and then they become our problem,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: like how are y'all raising kids? And then they're always like, oh,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: queer people, gay people want to put their agenda onto
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: our kids.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: And it's like you're the one.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Asking your four year old if they have a girlfriend,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: uh huh after they leave, you know, preschool, Like, so,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: who's doing it with every.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: One of these people? Just like with this fuck with
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: every one of these people. I'm like, show me a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: fucking hart drive, show me your fucking hard drive. If
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: you all thinking about what I'm doing to my kids,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: I want to know what's on your hard drive you did.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Because what makes you jump in your logic to that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: being the immediate thing that these people would do. And
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of times we're projecting our own thought process
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: onto other people.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: That's why the internet is just so insufferable.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Now, you know the famous meme that's like, oh, someone
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: says I love pancakes, and then someone's in.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: The comments like, so why do you hate why? Yeah,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: that's a whole difference in it. Oh yeah, you think
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: about waffles. I'm talking about bacakes. Fucking we have two
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: more before we get out of here. Richard Curtis, So
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Dick Curtis. Richard Curtis, Republican Washington State legislator. Oh I
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: thought you met the direct What I was about to say,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: not the director, O. I was gonna say, he's the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: nicest guy. I looked like, Rick Curtis is great.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: We're gonna call him Dick Curtis because we're not going
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: to put no shade on Rick Curtis's name.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, wonderful, Thank you so much.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Wonderful. Dick Curtis is who we're talking about. Dick Curtis,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: the legislator. Okay.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: He repeatedly voted against gay rights measures in his state.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: He voted in two thousand and five and two thousand
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: and six against the bill that granted civil rights protections
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: to gates and lesbians, and in two thousand and seven
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: voted against the bill that created domestic partnership for same
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: sex couples. The same year, he was in Spokane for
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: a retreat to discuss the upcoming legislative session. However, he
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: went to the Hollywood Erotic boutique on October twenty six
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: and met an escort named Cody, who accompanied him to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: the Devenport Tower Hotel.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: Let me guess it's just because he's such a good Christian,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: he wants to read the Bible to this person. And
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: tell them that this was a sin and I'm going
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: to help you get back onto the streets.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: And then I had to go to the hotel because
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: you know hotels have the Bible.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Could find the Bible.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: That was the only place he could find a Bible.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: At three thirty am at the hotel in the drawer
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: so they could have you a popular greeting.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: But his parents abroad, so.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: They arrived at three thirty am, you know, to read
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: the Bible. They have sex so you could show what
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: you're not supposed to be doing. And after which Richard Dick,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: excuse me, Dick fell asleep. The escort said. Dick agreed
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: to pay him one thousand dollars for the sex and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: then reneged on the deal.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Not you stealing, you're stealing.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Also, I know this is harsh, but when you look
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: like that, everyone, I'm looking at a picture, When you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: look like that, you need to offer more than a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars for that boy to have sex with you.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Yuh, for anybody to have sex with you with that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: matter like your your lips are giving like boards, like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: it's giving extra And when they pulled a ROI out
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: on law and order, like it's Are you a live sir, yep,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: because your lips aren't tell your lips that they need
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: circulation because they're not getting it. You imagine them little
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Crusty's on you day the seventies poor station.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: This is a community service. You owe him a lot
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: more than a thousand dollars.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: By Cody at home. Yep.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: And it's some eyewash or something, you know, like I
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: would know oo, I would have eyes closed, just not
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: I could.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Oh association's top ten? Baby that fast? Please.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: When Dick decided that he was gonna not pay the escort,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Dick called the police. Now you're gonna call the police
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: on the escort, you, Dick, We need with your ass.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Dick claimed that he wasn't gay and accused Cody of extortion,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: but later told prosecutors he wanted the charges dropped. Dick
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: resigned his seat in two thousand and seven. So you know,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: if you work in politics, I would imagine your rapport
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: with law enforcement. It's probably stronger than.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: The average person. He's calling his dogs out.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: I'm Cody for I don't think that prostitution or sex
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: works should be illegal. It's one of the oldest professions,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: if not the oldest. It should be protected and it
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: should be staked because it's gonna happen regardless.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: I say it all the time. If mayhead Kuchi would
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: be on the stock market. Ye. So like that to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: me is not the issue.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: The issue is like, you didn't pay this man for
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: their services and then you try to incarcerate this person
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: on top of that.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: You suck? Insane. However, how not just do you suck?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: You're so fucking stupid that you've drawn attention to this.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: How dumb are you? Also? How all these fucking idiots
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: and politics? I'm like, if you are a closest to homosexual,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: why are you in politics? That's like me trying to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: pretend I'm straight. With the job that I fucking do,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: people would find out a heartbeat, you idiot, there are
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: more eyes on you. Why would you do that? That's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: so dum dumb fox man.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Here's my theory.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: So I think many, many, many people who are on
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: my side of the camera in Hollywood, whether you know
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: it or not, and I know some for sure, again
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: not outing or on the spectrum of some kind of homosexuality,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: whether it be by pan you know, gay strict I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: mean gay you know lesbian, we can say sexual. They're
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: on there right, and they love entertainment because maybe we
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: like neces stereotype that I'm not going to refuse.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Is that give me a moment? I will perform?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Now, A lot of people in our industry tend to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: be more conventionally attractive. I call DC politics Hollywood for
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: ugly people like you still want to be a pageant girl.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: You give us speech, You want cameras, you want the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: paparazzi following you up the Capitol steps. You want to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: get on the floor and give you a sassy speech.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: And so how can you do that but still be closeted?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: You go to DC and they don't care about how
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: you look. They care about how much power you a mask?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: So do you know what? That's a really fair read. Okay,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: I'll take that right.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm like, he was like, I can
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: be one of the girls. But the girls don't know.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: But some of the girls.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Because you, honestly, I don't think our community has to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: be that welcoming either, because I don't, for one think
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: that Dick should be living in his truth in our community.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: You can live in the truth and maybe find you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: some biggot and homosexuals to hang out with. But I'm
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: gonna see you at Pride. You have a nasty spirit.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: You're calling the police office sex workers.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: From Yeah, you've got nothing to.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: No. You find you some evil homosexuals right there on
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: the on the Senate floor.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: You'll hate each other, you'll hate yourselves. It's fine.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hang out with Lizzie Graham. We know it's yes,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: you got it. And the last one we have here
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: with a beautiful last name to mash. We had some
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: good ones prat. Now we know that's a piece of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: ship that works. We've got Ted Haggard. Haggard is a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: great last.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I really yes, can we get Ted hagg Oh, very Haggard?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Good for him?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Why is his hairline running towards me but leaving the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: size behind?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: He looks like a cough. He's got the mouth of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: a cough.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: That's yeah.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Also, somebody with this kind of bone structure really should
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: never make get this close to a camera because this
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: feels like a thread.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Sir, I'm calling the police.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, wow? Is he is he a preach him out?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: He looks like you know, you know he is.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Look at that suit.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: I was about to say evangelically to pull out.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: No, that's the evangelical suit.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: I knew it fucked me. That was wow. I coughed
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: with how good I am with this game? Wow?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Really are name that scamera? And when there wow? Then
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: at a ten uh.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Ted Haggard was the leader of a fourteen thousand member
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: New Life megachurch in Colorado Springs and was campaigning against
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: legalizing same sex marriage when his gay sex candle broke
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and six. I personally do I'm not
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: what's a church to the word Mega? Like when MEGA
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: is in front of a church that to me is
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: no longer a community center. If I can't leave ception
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: and shake my pastor's hand, this is too.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: Large of is literally just a corporation.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I understand opening many satellite churches and maybe bring up
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: other people, and a lot of churches do that that way,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: the church is dead in that person's community. But once
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: we get to MEGA and they passed the credit card
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: swiper for ties and offering, we've gone a step so far.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: Agreed, Agreed, it's you're just going to work on a Sunday,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Like this is my job of going to work. I
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: pay these people. This is a job I pay for.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and for me, I'm like, how much community
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: outreach are you doing? Where is the benevolence offering?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: I can answer that zero zilt couldn't give a fog.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Pass for savements. I think that's something that churches should
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: start to do. There should be like an auditing you know,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: would you order where the community can come and see
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: where the money that they've given has gone.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: To disagree, If you've chosen to join that corporation, that
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: money's gone, more fool you, moreful if you've decided to
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: join that megachurch and listen to that person who's sprouting
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: spouting hate on that pulpit, more for you. You don't
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: get a right to look at that state. But he
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: can buy all those Bentley's he wants because you've given
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: him your money.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's bigg at church, if it's the church
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: for trying to claim that they're doing good. But if
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: you go into bigger church, babe, you're in a scam.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: You're in the scam. Can they tell you take your
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: money and use it for anything?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Exactly? They're telling you that they want us to not
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: get married and they want us to burn at the steak,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: get the bag out of here, give them any money
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: and just do what they can, do what they want
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: with it. It's not you're right to ask what And
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: if you get upset that they're using the money, your
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: money for their mentally uh huh. You gave them your
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: money they were spouting hate. Yeah, yeah, you wanted them
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: to talk hate on that pulpit, not take care of people,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: not be kind to people, not do what Jesus did.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah, you're right. Absolutely, you don't need you don't
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: need that statement. Get the fuck out of here, and.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I hope if it ever comes time for you to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: need the church's help, I hope you see who they
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: really are. There was a girl on TikTok who did
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: like a viral TikTok, but she called a lot of
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: churches asking for formula, and all the Christian churches were like,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to do, girl, I don't know
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: how to happy girl.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. She called some strip clubs and the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: strippers showed out and showed a I know.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Someone in my life right now who reached out to
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: a church. I'm in Utah. We've got a lot of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: moment churches here, and the moment. Churches are usually wonderful,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: but she reached out. She gives ten percent tiding a
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: free paycheck. Ten percent goes out of her account and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: she needed help. Didn't help her. No one helped her
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: and sought, there you are, young lady, there you are.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: At that point, you got to bring the ten percent
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: that's coming out of your check receipts to the service
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: and act the fool. I will go to FedEx Kinko.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I would print that shit out biggest hell. I will
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: go right up in the tabernacle, and I'm like, is
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: this guy's will? Because I thought we were supposed to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: be helping and I've done my part and nobody has
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: done theirs.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: I bring a camera, I bring YouTubers and a ring light.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: We going viral because the hypocrisy is wild. That money
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: is supposed to go to the community. I mean, we
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: talked about this podcast earlier, you know, years ago.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: But Joe Austin, when there was this huge like hurricanes
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: in Houston closed the doors to the church when people
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: were displaced from their homes and everything was flooding.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: That is what the church is for. That's why you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: don't pay taxes.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: He was supposed to be out absolutely.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: But instead y'all want to be out here hurting people. Too,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: busy hurting people.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: So Ted was forced to resign after his sex scandal
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: as the president of the politically powerful National Association of Evangelicals,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: after admitting that he had bought math from and had
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: a sexual encounter with a gay sex worker. So math
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: is the that's the Lucherio top. It's like, not only
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: were you, you were enjoying your life. He was having
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: a good little circuit. Okay, okay, sir, we jumped with
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: the math. But he's been married to his wife, Gail
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: since it's nineteen seventy eight and they have five children.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty two. He was accused of the same
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: things yes again, music, math.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: And having same sex relationships at his new church, Saint
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: James Church and Colorado Springs. So he didn't learn his lesson,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: he moved churches. He said, I'm not getting no more.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Y'all don't go over to Colorado Springs and ask them
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: nothing about me.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'll get gay over here. I was only gay
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: over that. Yeah, I've gone to conversion therapy. It ready works.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Honestly, moving out of the city made me not
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: gay no more. The city was making me gay.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: And so then when I left, I was like, ooh delivered.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah readyhead yes effect some people.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he got caught again in twenty twenty two.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: So imagine this is what I always think too. If
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: people get a duy. It's rare that someone gets to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: duy and it's their first time driving intoxicated. Right, Like
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: everyone's gonna say that because they don't want to say, like, man, great,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: let us talk.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm been driving grades all great, usually so good at this. Hey,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I'm a great drug driver. No one's gonna say that's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: gonna say this was my first time.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I only had a couple of drinks, but I was
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: on an empty stomach sleep, you know, like they're gonna
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: say this. It's just a natural human condition. And getting
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: into uy is so embarrassing and sad and dangerous. And
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: hopefully if you have one out there, like you understood,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: there was a mistake and no one got hurt.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: And you move on with your life. Things happened.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: We all need to do it.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Don't do it again.
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  Speaker 3: And if you have been driving and you know you
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  Speaker 3: was lit when you got home, if you come into
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  Speaker 3: your parking garage or on the street and your your
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  Speaker 3: car parked a little crazy in the morning. Let that
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  Speaker 3: be your lesson before you harm yourself or somebody else
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  Speaker 3: on the road.
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  Speaker 2: That's your duy. No, I know you don't parked your
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  Speaker 2: car and the wheels wasn't looking why sober mm hm h.
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  Speaker 3: But the same thing for me goes with this situation
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  Speaker 3: of him getting caught again, you know, using method and
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  Speaker 3: having you know, sex with a male sex worker.
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  Speaker 2: Is I bet you the two times you got caught
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  Speaker 2: were not the two times you did one?
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  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? This is one in a hundred.
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  Speaker 4: He just got called.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the girls know you on back page.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like girls are all that on the grinders. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and so the scam today, and to end our Pride
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  Speaker 3: month on a highlight note, is that one truth always
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  Speaker 3: comes to light eventually, and too like these type of
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  Speaker 3: bigots still exists today and they're still down low still.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we're still seeing I mean, Christy Gohome's husband
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  Speaker 3: has a whole you know, he likes to cosplay with
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  Speaker 3: titties and shit like that, and a sex worker out
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  Speaker 3: at him. I don't think normal people if you have
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  Speaker 3: a finished I don't think there's anything against that.
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  Speaker 2: It's that the people who come out and openly preach
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  Speaker 2: against the things I was.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna say that, the people who fight against their own community. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And I mean the term closet itself means that you
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  Speaker 2: How you're going to be outside bothering people to that freedom?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because you're so mad that you can't live
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