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Credlin | 4 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming out
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Speaker 2: tonight This Wednesday on Credline, Labour's economic mismanagement on full display,
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Speaker 2: not just in that rate rise yesterday, but reports now
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Speaker 2: that they'll come after property owners with a hit on
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Speaker 2: capital gains. Never doubt their willingness to make you pay
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Speaker 2: their budget blowouts. And just on that very point, Labour's
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Speaker 2: day is announced a big sell off of defense land
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Speaker 2: and buildings around the country, including historic Victoria Barracks in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne and hma Is Penguin on Sydney Harbor, all up
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Speaker 2: sixty seven areas that Kredlin regular are on the show.
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Speaker 2: Former Army boss Ian Langford has labeled a fiscal sleight
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Speaker 2: of hand BLUs those shocking posters that have popped up
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Speaker 2: across Melbourne seemingly lionizing the Bonda shooter. Now, if it's
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Speaker 2: a stunt, it's shocking, but I fear this points to
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Speaker 2: aught in the community actually celebrating this individual and a
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Speaker 2: coalition split look set to drag on the clock now
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Speaker 2: ticking on Susan Lee's announcement of a shadow cabinet on Monday.
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Speaker 2: Hence she's now issued and that's a deadliner.
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Speaker 3: The coalition can reform this week with conditions that are
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Speaker 3: supported by the overwhelming majority of my party room.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not worried about all the coalition.
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Speaker 4: Who's who in the zoo here, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: It's a that's above my pay grad I'm not the leader.
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not going to have a running commentary because
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Speaker 5: Australians are actually sick and tired of politics.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with that mess. Because despite the fact
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Speaker 2: that the Albanezer government should be under pressure today following
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Speaker 2: yesterday's rate hike and the Treasure's refusal to accept the
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Speaker 2: view of experts that it's his spending driving inflation up
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Speaker 2: and spiking rates, it was yet another bad day for
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Speaker 2: the conservative side of politics to change. As long as
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Speaker 2: the Liberals and the Nationals continue to sit separately in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament and an unworthy government gets to go on
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Speaker 2: the attack at their expense, allowing labor to get off
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Speaker 2: almost scott free, they can't.
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Speaker 4: Stop talking about themselves, mister Speaker, Each and every day
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Speaker 4: Sky News doesn't have thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: When there's not one of them sitting in their studio.
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Speaker 6: Changing schools, changing classes, changing.
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Speaker 7: Teachers, changing seats.
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Speaker 8: There's a bit of that going on.
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Speaker 2: Over there as well.
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Speaker 9: I know yesterday we had a question from the MENDETHA
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Speaker 9: Clark where he predicted yesterday that the cross Bench was
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Speaker 9: likely to soon exceed the Opposition with more defections. I
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Speaker 9: don't know if he knew what was going to happen today,
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Speaker 9: but it has turned out to be prophetic. What I
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Speaker 9: would say though, is careful what you wish for. You
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Speaker 9: might not necessarily want the people who you're about to get.
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Speaker 2: All that blokeire bravado. It feeds their ego in the
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Speaker 2: moment in the chamber when Australians hit with the rate rise,
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Speaker 2: watch they back at nine, at six o'clock or on
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Speaker 2: their devices however they get the news. It disgusts them.
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Speaker 2: Now at one level, the coalition said, we just has
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Speaker 2: to get itself sorted out. Reform the relationship and the
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Speaker 2: Liberal leadership too must be resolved as quickly as possible,
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Speaker 2: because in politics this unity is death. The real question though,
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Speaker 2: is not so much who leads the Liberal Party but
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Speaker 2: what it and the Coalition more broadly, actually stands for.
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Speaker 2: Because unless it stands for something clear policies, policies that
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Speaker 2: are different from Labors that voters will think is change
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Speaker 2: for the better. The Liberal Party won't just be down,
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Speaker 2: it could be out as well, just like the old
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Speaker 2: United Australia Party that disintegrated in nineteen forty three after
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Speaker 2: a period of leadership instability, coalition disunity and a landslide
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Speaker 2: Labor win Lessons in history hate This week has seen
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Speaker 2: a further collapse in support for the Liberal National Parties,
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Speaker 2: down from twenty one percent in News poll last week
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Speaker 2: to just nineteen in that Red Bridge Pole on Monday,
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Speaker 2: and a further rise in the One Nation vote from
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Speaker 2: twenty two percent last week to twenty six percent this week.
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Speaker 2: All in all, that's a thirteen point drop in support
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Speaker 2: for the Coalition since last years what we thought was
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Speaker 2: then diabolical election result. Now there is no mystery to
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Speaker 2: any of this. If you're a regular here and you've
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Speaker 2: watched this show, I've been warning for a long time
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Speaker 2: the Coalition voters. Liberal voters especially are fed up to
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Speaker 2: their back teeth with a party that's been letting them
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Speaker 2: down for almost a decade. Put simply, that's because they
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Speaker 2: have not been a clear alternative to a Labor Party
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Speaker 2: that's moved further and further to the green left. Under
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turbule, the Coalition was just as climb obsessed as Labor,
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Speaker 2: despite the damage this was given even back then to
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Speaker 2: power prices, jobs and heavy industry. And it's all just
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Speaker 2: got worse, hasn't it. Under Scott Morrison, well, the Coalition
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Speaker 2: drank the Turnbull kool aid and embraced the insanity of
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Speaker 2: net zero, even though fighting Labour's energy policy had given
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Speaker 2: Morrison his miracle win in twenty nineteen. Go figure that one,
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Speaker 2: and under both of them Turbul and Morrison, immigration went
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Speaker 2: way up to over two hundred thousand, two hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: people a year pandemic aside, a figure that's more than
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Speaker 2: double the average of the Howard years. Now. Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: could have won last year's election after defeating Anthony Alberinezy's
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Speaker 2: pet policy the divisive race based voice, but they did
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Speaker 2: nothing with that win, and they blew it because he
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Speaker 2: and his Liberal team failed to create a clear contrast
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Speaker 2: with Labor. They didn't fight for their energy policy, they
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Speaker 2: didn't fight against Labour's capital gains wealth tax, and they
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Speaker 2: certainly failed to go after the energy and union follies
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Speaker 2: that have given Australians the biggest drop in their living
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Speaker 2: standards across the entire OECD. Instead that then Coalition tried
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Speaker 2: to make it a contest on who could give the
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Speaker 2: biggest handout, and that's a contest that Labour's always going
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Speaker 2: to win. Aside from the fact it's not a conservative
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Speaker 2: way to manage economic policy either. There's nothing that Labor
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Speaker 2: won't spend to buy an election. Is it anyone that
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Speaker 2: the voters are giving up on a party that's blown
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Speaker 2: hot and cold on almost every issue and that tries
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Speaker 2: to be all things to everyone. So here's the liberals dilemma,
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Speaker 2: and here's the chonge for commentators who until recently were
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Speaker 2: all out there arguing that the Liberals had to swing
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Speaker 2: left to counter the Teals. Well, if the limbs had
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Speaker 2: to go left, you say, any of you say to
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Speaker 2: beat the Teals, then what do you reckon needs to
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Speaker 2: happen now now that it's one nation, that hardline conservative
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Speaker 2: outfit that's cannibalizing Liberal votes, because you see, therein lies
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Speaker 2: the problem. Too many commentators urging the Coalition to go
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Speaker 2: this way all that way, when the real problem is
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Speaker 2: all along that the Liberals have been insufficiently left wing
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Speaker 2: or insufficiently right wing. That's not the issue. It's that
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Speaker 2: they've been nothing much at all. The problem is they
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Speaker 2: have stood for nothing for nothing, failed to offer up
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Speaker 2: the sort of clear policy choices that people want to
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Speaker 2: see come election time. Now, the last time the coalition
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Speaker 2: won big twenty thirty thirteen under my old boss Tony Abbott,
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Speaker 2: six percent primary vote. And when they won, the coalition
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Speaker 2: then was a clear contrast with a bad labor government,
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Speaker 2: a government that had lost control of borders, lost control
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Speaker 2: of the budget, and was indulging in left green climate obsessions.
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Speaker 2: Now not only did it but have a labor of
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Speaker 2: a laser focus on labor and all their stuff ups.
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Speaker 2: He articulated a clear way forward. People knew if they
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Speaker 2: voted for him what they would get. It scrapped the
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Speaker 2: carbon tax and the mining tax. It revitalized the economy,
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Speaker 2: operation sovereign borders, he said, would stop the votes, and
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Speaker 2: it did. And budget rules would be in place, such
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Speaker 2: as no new spending without cuts to existing spending to
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Speaker 2: restore fiscal discipline and end government waste. Now, where's that
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Speaker 2: sort of clarity from the center right today? And As
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Speaker 2: for this idea, this nonsense from some that that Liberals
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Speaker 2: have to return to the center, Come on, spare me.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing, nothing, that the Liberals have done since the
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Speaker 2: Avid era. It's even been remotely right wing orcus people
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Speaker 2: point to well, ucus, that's hardly right wing. It was
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Speaker 2: promptly me too by Labor, and even the belated repudiation
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Speaker 2: last year of net zero reflects a general move against
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Speaker 2: energy self harm, even from lefties, even from people like
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Speaker 2: Tony Blair in Europe. And on the contentious issue of immigration,
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Speaker 2: given that thirty four percent of voters currently think that
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Speaker 2: the party best place to handle immigrations actually one nation
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Speaker 2: on this issue at least, perhaps an even tougher right
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Speaker 2: wing Liberal party is exactly what voters are after. Yes,
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Speaker 2: the commentators are right to point out, as Paul Kelly
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Speaker 2: did in The Australian Today, that a high one nation
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Speaker 2: vote ultimately helps Labor because its preferences don't reliably returned
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Speaker 2: to the coalition. And you've heard me say that time
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Speaker 2: and time again. Very little preference discipline on the center right,
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Speaker 2: plenty of it between Greens and Labor. I agree on
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Speaker 2: that point, where Kelly and others are wrong is claiming
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Speaker 2: that the coalition's political task now is to differentiate itself
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Speaker 2: from one nation, rather than to reinvigorate its fight with Labor.
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Speaker 2: The former coalition voters now parked with the insurgency are
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Speaker 2: less interested in political theology than in having a politically clear,
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Speaker 2: consistent and effective opposition to a Labor government they believe
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Speaker 2: is taking our country backwards. Fighting Hanson is about as
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Speaker 2: stupid as this current fight we're seeing inside the former coalition.
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Speaker 2: Labour should be their target, not Pauline Hansen, because what
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Speaker 2: they see in Hanson, and sure she's a less viable
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Speaker 2: alternative as Prime minister, but she's at least someone who's
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Speaker 2: been consistent in her opposition to net zero mass migration
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Speaker 2: and the nonsense of three flags and welcoming people to
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Speaker 2: their own country. So, rather than attack her about doing
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Speaker 2: something about the positions that she's calling for, because it's
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Speaker 2: the tougher policies that people want to see the Liberals
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Speaker 2: support right now, what makes Hansen stand out is leadership,
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Speaker 2: and what makes the Liberals suffer is the lack of it.
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Speaker 2: People aren't looking for a slick and polish performer. They're
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Speaker 2: sick of that they're sick of the political professional class,
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Speaker 2: the insiders who promise the world and deliver very little.
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Speaker 2: They want to shake the whole show up, and they
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Speaker 2: are That's what the Coalition doesn't understand. Nord Is Labor
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Speaker 2: to be fair because this anger in the community is
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Speaker 2: coming for the ALP as well. The best way now
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Speaker 2: for the Coalition to respond to this fractioned voter base
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Speaker 2: is not to chase voters in two different directions at once,
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Speaker 2: but to offer Australians finally put on the table the
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Speaker 2: changes they want to see for our country. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to camera for the headlines now, Skynese political
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Speaker 2: reporter Cam Reddit good evening.
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Speaker 10: Offers and counteroffers are going back and forth to try
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Speaker 10: and reunite the coalition, but still there's no breakthrough.
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Speaker 3: Coalition can reform this week with conditions that are supported
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Speaker 3: by the overwhelming majority of my party room.
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Speaker 11: I don't know whether you just heard me before, but
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Speaker 11: we did nothing wrong.
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Speaker 10: Yet another party room meeting failing to break the standoff.
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Speaker 5: Public commentary around this has been pretty clear where everyone's
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Speaker 5: red lines are.
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Speaker 2: You can't divulge what you've said.
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Speaker 1: That no, but it's careful, it's considered it's appropriate.
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Speaker 10: Dozens of defeat interstates are being put up for sale,
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Speaker 10: including some of our most historic sites like Victoria Barracks
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Speaker 10: in Sydney and Point Cook in Melbourne. Defense Minister Richard
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Speaker 10: Marles is putting sixty seven defense estates on the market,
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Speaker 10: hoping to generate one point eight billion dollars in net
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Speaker 10: sales and save one hundred million dollars a year in upkeep.
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Speaker 1: And of course what it then does is also enable
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Speaker 1: every cent that is recovered through the sale of these
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Speaker 1: properties to be reinvested in defense.
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Speaker 10: Spectacle Island in Sydney Harbor is one of ten sites
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Speaker 10: currently laying vacant. Another fourteen are classified as barely used.
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Speaker 2: That is a shocking waste of taxpay dollars.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful some of that would be for housing, but it.
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Speaker 10: Won't happen quickly. Transfer and sale of the sites will
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Speaker 10: take several years. Cameron Redden's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right. You can see there from the package it has
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Speaker 2: been a sitting day, another busy one. Jonnyman how to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more in those stories is Deputy Executive
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Speaker 2: Director at the IPA, Daniel Wilde, a National Affairs editor
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Speaker 2: and Danny Telegraph, of course to one of our own,
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, the coalition really rift, will sadly have to
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Speaker 2: start there again tonight. Susan Lee, persisting with her ultimatum,
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Speaker 2: she wants those three National Party senators who crossed the
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Speaker 2: floor to remain out of Shadow Cabinet for at least
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Speaker 2: six months. Have a listen.
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Speaker 3: The coalition can reform this week with conditions that are
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Speaker 3: supported by the overwhelming majority of my party room.
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Speaker 7: Then before that, these three senators being reinstated to show
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Speaker 7: the cabinet was a nondego to was that still your position?
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Speaker 2: It's a hardh noble coalition and less.
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Speaker 11: Back have been very clear on that because I don't
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Speaker 11: know whether you just heard me before, but we did
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Speaker 11: nothing wrong.
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Speaker 2: Well, Dan, I'll say this again as a former secretary
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Speaker 2: to Shadow Cabinet under three Liberal leaders. The Nats were
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Speaker 2: right in what they did. The Liberals were not. There
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Speaker 2: was a split in the parties. They not take that
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Speaker 2: shadow cabinet decision back to the joint party room to resolve.
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee didn't follow the precedents. She's now put a
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Speaker 2: deadline on reunification. She says, if they are not back together.
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Speaker 2: By Monday, she'll announced her new shadow ministry shadow cabinet,
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Speaker 2: but your pardon, it'll be Libs only. But maybe she
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Speaker 2: does that, it's going to be even harder for them
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Speaker 2: to reunite.
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Speaker 6: Well that's right, Peter, you spot on. The Nationals did
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Speaker 6: the right thing on the hate crime laws, especially those
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Speaker 6: Nationals that voted no in the Senate, namely Bridget McKenzie
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Speaker 6: and Ross GADeL, Susan McDonald, Matt Canavan who voted no.
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Speaker 6: I mean they did the right thing by the country,
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Speaker 6: by their party, by the constituents, and the Liberal Party
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Speaker 6: got it wrong. And you know, you go into the
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Speaker 6: details on the machinations of what the process should be
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Speaker 6: and if we also just look at the policy substance,
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Speaker 6: well how can the Liberal now say well, you're going
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Speaker 6: to be in the sin bin for six months. I mean,
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Speaker 6: this is like kindergarten stuff. You've got to go sit
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Speaker 6: in the corner and sit at the wall. Australians are
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Speaker 6: just over this. They want an opposition, a full blooded
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Speaker 6: center right opposition that's actually going to stand up for
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Speaker 6: mainstream Australian values and talk about the issues that we
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Speaker 6: care about. Exactly as you were talking about in your editorial.
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Speaker 6: Whether it's mass migration, whether it's the net zero policies,
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Speaker 6: whether it's the economy falling over. That's what Australians want
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Speaker 6: the Coalition focused on. But instead they're just in mesh
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Speaker 6: in this intractable issue of you know, who can do
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Speaker 6: this and who can do that, and how are they
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Speaker 6: going to get back together. I just don't see there's
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Speaker 6: going to be any resolution in the near future. And
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Speaker 6: I just want to reiterate, how can you punish these
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Speaker 6: National senators for doing the right thing for the country.
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Speaker 6: It's just bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think people in Canvas should be asking
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Speaker 2: Susan Lando. Certainly colleagues are liberal colleagues, James. They're asking her, well,
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Speaker 2: hang on, if you had to split in your shadow cabin,
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Speaker 2: if the Nats had a clear position to oppose the
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Speaker 2: you were moving on to agree with them with amendments.
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Speaker 2: If you had a split in the room, which you did,
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Speaker 2: why didn't you take it to a joint party room meeting?
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Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen messages from her colleagues or Liberal
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Speaker 2: MPs who were waiting around for hours on end for
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Speaker 2: a joint party room meeting that was never called. To
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Speaker 2: resolve this issue. So to try and put it on
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Speaker 2: the Gnats now and to try and keep them in
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Speaker 2: the sinbin for six months, I think it's crackers. And
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Speaker 2: I think absolutely as Dan says, people are angry. The
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Speaker 2: community wants the Liberals and the Nats focused on the
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Speaker 2: issues that matter to them. And of course, every single
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Speaker 2: day this goes on, a really bad labor government is
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Speaker 2: getting off scot free with basically putting fuel on the
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Speaker 2: economic fire in terms of government spending and inflation.
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Speaker 8: Well yeah, that's exactly right. And you've got a lot
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Speaker 8: to unpack here because one of the things we're seeing
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Speaker 8: is this divide where with the treatment of the Nats
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Speaker 8: as this sort of you know, very junior party in
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Speaker 8: the sin been the naughty kids go off to the
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Speaker 8: naughty corner. Here with you, sent by Susan Lay, it's
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Speaker 8: developing this real narrative that there is in fact a
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Speaker 8: much greater divide between these two parties than there needs
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Speaker 8: to be. It is actually worsening the situation on the right.
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Speaker 8: Forget about One Nation for a moment, forget about Paul
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Speaker 8: Kelly's column today for a moment. Every time they start
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Speaker 8: going down this road where they say, oh, well, you know,
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Speaker 8: we're the responsible ones and they're the naughty ones. They
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Speaker 8: are driving conservatives further and further away from any sort
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Speaker 8: of center right coalition. And then, as you say here, Peter,
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Speaker 8: the blue murder that labor is getting away with. I mean,
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Speaker 8: I watched question Time today and there was so much
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Speaker 8: gaslighting going on I thought the fire alarms were going
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Speaker 8: to go off in the House of Representatives. You know,
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Speaker 8: this whole line that Jim Chalmers does without anybody taking
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Speaker 8: him to task for it, where he says, oh, well,
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Speaker 8: you know, if you look at what the notes say,
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Speaker 8: it was the private spending that was pushing the economy,
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Speaker 8: not the government spending. Well, of course, it's because you're
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Speaker 8: handing money to people to go spend on everything from
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Speaker 8: solar and battery subsidies to electricity rebates to you know,
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Speaker 8: student debt relief and all of these things. The government
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Speaker 8: is just juicing this economy. They're getting away with it,
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Speaker 8: and it is disgraceful and for the lives in the
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Speaker 8: NATS to be fighting like this and for the NATS
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Speaker 8: to be treated in this way, and then for there
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Speaker 8: to be some expectation that they'll come tail between their
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Speaker 8: legs and reconcile. I'm sorry, I just don't buy that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll read The Australian tomorrow because I respond to
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Speaker 2: Paul Kelly's claim. You know, people think I want the
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Speaker 2: Leaves to somehow go to the far right. I don't.
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Speaker 2: I'd actually like them just to come away from the left,
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Speaker 2: back to the right, back to where they used to be.
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Speaker 2: They've been a long way away from the right. They've
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Speaker 2: left a space for Pauline Hanson. She has shifted to
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Speaker 2: the center right middle to where you know, people like
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Speaker 2: Howard and Tony Abbott prosecuted election wins from. And I
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Speaker 2: think it's going to leave the Liberals unfortunately homeless unless
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Speaker 2: they take this ground back, and they take it back
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Speaker 2: on policy. It's not the revolving door of leadership that
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Speaker 2: fixes a mess like this. And Dan what worries me too.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've got two state elections coming up, one
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Speaker 2: in South Australia obviously, one in Victoria, and Labour's going
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Speaker 2: to spend big And when the RBA governor talks about
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Speaker 2: ramp and out of control government spending, she's not just
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Speaker 2: referring to Jim Chalmers and jimflation. She's talking about the
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Speaker 2: terrible debt in Victoria and labor here under center. Allen
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Speaker 2: will do what Dan Andrews did. They'll throw money at
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Speaker 2: everything to try and win in November.
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Speaker 12: That's the problem it is, and the same as the
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Speaker 12: case in South Australia where dead is ramping up big
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Speaker 12: time and big spending promises, particularly on housing, where Albanezi
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Speaker 12: was the other day to make another housing commitment on
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Speaker 12: behalf of the long suffering taxpayers of Australia.
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Speaker 6: But obviously government spending is one of the key drivers
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Speaker 6: of the inflationary problem we have. And we've talked about
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Speaker 6: this a couple of times before. The only way the
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Speaker 6: country is going to get out of these economic problems
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Speaker 6: that we have is either through cutting spending or growing
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Speaker 6: the economy. And this government does not have a growth agenda.
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Speaker 6: It has a redistributionist agenda. It has no pro economic
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Speaker 6: growth policies whatsoever. Contrast that to Hawk and Keating, who,
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Speaker 6: for all of the faults of their governments, at least
21:30
Speaker 6: understood that you've got to grow the economy because if
21:32
Speaker 6: you grow the economy, you'll get more tax revenue without
21:35
Speaker 6: having to increase tax rates or introduce new taxes. Because
21:38
Speaker 6: a bigger economy means you have a larger revenue base,
21:41
Speaker 6: so you're going to get more revenue. If you want
21:43
Speaker 6: to put that into spending, you can do it. If
21:44
Speaker 6: you want to put that into tax cuts, you can
21:46
Speaker 6: do it. Or if you want to pay down the debt,
21:47
Speaker 6: you can do it. So look number one is to
21:49
Speaker 6: get the economy growing. But all this government is talking
21:53
Speaker 6: about is raising taxes and shifting deck chairs around the
21:56
Speaker 6: economic titanic rather than getting the whole ocean to to
22:00
Speaker 6: float to a higher level so everybody will benefit. And
22:02
Speaker 6: that's the issue we face.
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Speaker 2: And you know, case in point, they're going to go
22:08
Speaker 2: after capital gains tax. None of the guys are asked
22:11
Speaker 2: about it today from the labor front bench could rule
22:14
Speaker 2: that out. They call it reform. It's never reformed. They
22:18
Speaker 2: never grow the pie. Is Dan suggesting they just carve
22:21
Speaker 2: it up a different way and yield at home will
22:23
Speaker 2: work really hard, particularly if you're middle class. You just
22:26
Speaker 2: get a smaller and smaller slice of that pie. And
22:29
Speaker 2: then we get that revelation to James about their net
22:31
Speaker 2: zero fund, a five billion dollar fund and the financing
22:38
Speaker 2: rate of return on projects is something like one percent,
22:41
Speaker 2: like it's just stuff that doesn't stack up commercially is
22:45
Speaker 2: now left for the poor old taxpayer to cover.
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Speaker 8: And you know, Peter, there's something really sinister going on here,
22:53
Speaker 8: because you can start to see some of the hints
22:55
Speaker 8: being dropped around what's going to come in that budget,
22:58
Speaker 8: not only with the non answers from people today, but
23:01
Speaker 8: also some hints and some columnists or connected more to
23:04
Speaker 8: labor about what they're going after. They're going to go
23:07
Speaker 8: after capital gains, tax rebates on investment properties and probably
23:12
Speaker 8: on the family home as well. They'll put some sort
23:14
Speaker 8: of indexation or threshold on it and call it fairness.
23:17
Speaker 8: And it actually ties in with these environmental funds. You know,
23:21
Speaker 8: they're earning non commercial rates of return and the fact
23:25
Speaker 8: that they want the super, they want your super now
23:28
Speaker 8: to start to invest in these things that they call
23:31
Speaker 8: it a nation building project, Peter, which of course means
23:34
Speaker 8: we're going to use your money to invest in some
23:36
Speaker 8: boondoggle that doesn't make money. Because in both circumstances, you know,
23:40
Speaker 8: whether you have an investment property or a family home
23:43
Speaker 8: or a nice pile of super that you've worked hard
23:45
Speaker 8: to accumulate, it all comes back to the Albanezy philosophy,
23:48
Speaker 8: and he can talk like a centrist all he wants,
23:50
Speaker 8: but this is the man who likes to fight Tories.
23:53
Speaker 8: And to him, a toy is anybody who has put
23:57
Speaker 8: together some sort of investment portfolio, you know, not having
24:00
Speaker 8: one hundred million dollars, not living in point paper next
24:03
Speaker 8: to Malcolm Turnable, but just anybody who has got the
24:06
Speaker 8: sort of cash and wherewithal to take care of themselves.
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Speaker 8: They hate that. That is what they're attacking here. It's
24:13
Speaker 8: not growing the pie so people are more self sufficient.
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Speaker 8: The only way labor's fortunes go is if people are
24:19
Speaker 8: dependent on the government. And that's what all of this
24:22
Speaker 8: ties around to.
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Speaker 2: The whole philosophy is to drag everyone to the same level,
24:29
Speaker 2: lowest common denominator, make you as dependent as possible on
24:34
Speaker 2: the state, and then you're behold in every election where
24:37
Speaker 2: you like it or not to vote for labor just
24:40
Speaker 2: to financially survive. That's the long game, and they're playing
24:43
Speaker 2: the Libs off a break. I'll leave it there, gents,
24:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, James and Dan Wylle. All right now. Two
24:49
Speaker 2: developments in a Sydney local court today where Craig Mitchell,
24:53
Speaker 2: the first person charged under Operation Avlite, the AFP, the
24:58
Speaker 2: Federal police opt to crack down on anti sim matism,
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Speaker 2: was sentenced affter sending death threats to a Jewish group
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Speaker 2: and a gay politician. Senior reporter Carolyn Marcus was in
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Speaker 2: the court today. She joins me, now, Carolyn, what can
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Speaker 2: you tell.
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Speaker 13: Us well, Craig Douglas Mitchell. He's a forty five year
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Speaker 13: old Western Sydney man. He was the first person arrested
25:17
Speaker 13: under that AFP operation to crack down on anti Semites.
25:21
Speaker 13: He was sentenced today in the local courts and he
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Speaker 13: Downing Center Local Court over these vile threats that he
25:30
Speaker 13: sent the Australian Jewish Association as well as the New
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Speaker 13: South Wales Independent MP Alex Greenwich, who is openly gay,
25:39
Speaker 13: back in twenty twenty four. Now these threats, the magistrate
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Speaker 13: described them as vile, very serious considered. Included this post
25:51
Speaker 13: that he put on the Australian Jewish Association's Facebook page
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Speaker 13: showing a hangman's noose and the words if you dare
25:59
Speaker 13: show up at the Senate Committee meeting, you will all
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Speaker 13: delta indy echo spelling out die now.
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Speaker 10: That was sent to.
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Speaker 13: The Australian Jewish Association Chief executive Robert Gregory, who was
26:14
Speaker 13: due to testify at a Senate committee hearing into anti
26:18
Speaker 13: Semitism the following day. Mister Gregory said in his victim
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Speaker 13: impact statement it left him and his family feeling terrified.
26:26
Speaker 13: It meant they had to spend additional costs on security
26:30
Speaker 13: for the organization, and he thought it was a serious
26:35
Speaker 13: He took it as a very serious threat. There were
26:37
Speaker 13: also a number of threats that were sent to Alex
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Speaker 13: Greenwich which were homophobic and absolutely vile, including this one.
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Speaker 13: I warned you now you will die, so you better
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Speaker 13: have your life insurance paid up because I am coming
26:53
Speaker 13: for you, and so is Smith and Wesson. It goes
26:57
Speaker 13: on to say that the only good f is an
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Speaker 13: effing dead one. Sieg Kile the Hitler Cattros Now apparently
27:08
Speaker 13: Craig Mitchell was influenced by alt right or far right
27:14
Speaker 13: groups online, and his barrister tried to have the matter
27:18
Speaker 13: dealt with under mental health, arguing because he was diagnosed
27:24
Speaker 13: as autistic at a young age, has autism and has
27:28
Speaker 13: been on the NDIS for a long time, it made
27:32
Speaker 13: him more susceptible to going down these online rabbit holes
27:36
Speaker 13: and falling in with extremists like neo Nazis. The magistrate,
27:41
Speaker 13: though rejected that ideal, though he did accept that his
27:45
Speaker 13: autism meant mister Mitchell had less moral culpability. He also
27:50
Speaker 13: rejected an application for this matter to be entirely suppressed
27:55
Speaker 13: or have mister Mitchell's name suppressed, because his lawyers argued
27:59
Speaker 13: that because of the Bondi attacks, that he might face
28:03
Speaker 13: repercussions from the public wants his images out there. We
28:07
Speaker 13: already knew his name, but once people really know who
28:09
Speaker 13: he is and what he'd done. The magistrate rejected that
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Speaker 13: as well.
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Speaker 2: He did I've got to make two points. Yeah, let
28:17
Speaker 2: me just jump in off. I've got to make two points.
28:20
Speaker 2: First of all, neo Nazi links great that he has
28:23
Speaker 2: been sentenced in the way he is charged and sentenced
28:25
Speaker 2: in the way he is, But the comments that he's made,
28:31
Speaker 2: in my view, are not a hell of a lot
28:33
Speaker 2: different than what's been made by some Islamic leaders and preachers,
28:38
Speaker 2: and I do not see similar repercussions for them. Take
28:42
Speaker 2: that as just a remark because I know their legal
28:44
Speaker 2: issues around all of that, but also that this has
28:47
Speaker 2: been done under existing laws. So in New South Wales
28:50
Speaker 2: and right around the country, we have a body of
28:52
Speaker 2: laws already in place. No argument about you ones if
28:57
Speaker 2: they stack up, But we have laws already and you've
29:00
Speaker 2: got to ask yourself why it is taken so long
29:04
Speaker 2: for anyone to action the current laws. Quick comment from you.
29:09
Speaker 2: We've got the Israeli President Aarazac Hertzog coming to Sydney
29:13
Speaker 2: next week, which is coming to Australia. He'll be in Melbourne,
29:15
Speaker 2: Sydney and Canberra. We've even got reports today that there
29:19
Speaker 2: are two labor MPs. Now here is the head of
29:21
Speaker 2: state of an allied nation in Israel. Nonetheless, two labor
29:25
Speaker 2: MP's in the aftermath of Bondai plan to protest against
29:31
Speaker 2: his visit, despite the fact he's here to mourn with
29:34
Speaker 2: Jewish Sydney Siders and Australians, and despite the fact that
29:38
Speaker 2: there are protest restrictions in place in New South Wales.
29:42
Speaker 2: Surely they're going to rethink this plan.
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Speaker 13: Well, the MPs, I don't think they're going to rethink.
29:49
Speaker 13: I mean they include the Ardney Southwelles Upper House Labor
29:52
Speaker 13: and p Stephen Lawrence. And you know I found his
29:56
Speaker 13: questioning during a Parliamentary inquiry last year absolutely a borrowing.
30:00
Speaker 13: He really tried to, in my view, downplay anti Semitic
30:04
Speaker 13: threats that Jews were facing. He also marched in that
30:07
Speaker 13: harbor Bridge protest where there were pictures of terrorist leaders
30:12
Speaker 13: really close to him as well. He was pictured near
30:15
Speaker 13: some of those. So I don't have much faith Peter,
30:18
Speaker 13: and I find it highly concerning. I'll be covering that
30:21
Speaker 13: President Hertzel's visit for Sky News while he's in Sydney.
30:25
Speaker 13: There's going to be hundreds of additional police because of
30:28
Speaker 13: the security threats. I mean police have already warned Jewish
30:32
Speaker 13: groups and leaders that they don't know if they can
30:34
Speaker 13: keep them safe if they want to attend events involving
30:39
Speaker 13: the head of the Jewish the world's.
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Speaker 2: Only Jewish state.
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Speaker 13: I mean that is appalling that we cannot be kept
30:45
Speaker 13: safe in this country and that protesters have completely taken
30:49
Speaker 13: over our city, our country.
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Speaker 2: Really Oh well, I think the places are got to
30:54
Speaker 2: get tough. They've got to get riot police, they've got
30:57
Speaker 2: to get vanned, and they've all all the leaders who
31:01
Speaker 2: stood in solidarity with Jews in December need to show,
31:06
Speaker 2: not just talk about change. When we see the president
31:10
Speaker 2: come to Australia next week. Oliver there, thank you, Carolyn
31:14
Speaker 2: Heaving up in a state played by protest. How does
31:16
Speaker 2: the city council respond to posters of the bondaishooter being
31:20
Speaker 2: clustered across the CBD in what looks like glorification plus
31:25
Speaker 2: declaring war on those who vandalize our war memorials? Why
31:29
Speaker 2: has it taken so long to act and will it work?
31:33
Speaker 2: That's next welcome back we across to Sophie Ellsworth. In London,
31:41
Speaker 2: police have opened up an investigation into a former senior
31:45
Speaker 2: labor minister has been forced to resign over his links
31:49
Speaker 2: to Epstein and these involve what amounts to insider trading
31:53
Speaker 2: and Prince Andrew is out of Windsor in the past
31:56
Speaker 2: twenty four hours in the cloak of night, facing calls
31:59
Speaker 2: now to testify in a congressional inquiry into the Epstein
32:05
Speaker 2: saga alongside Bill Clinton. We've got all of that in
32:08
Speaker 2: a moment. Now to action on the streets of Melbourne
32:12
Speaker 2: where activists of hijacked street art campaign and they've plastered
32:16
Speaker 2: the city of Melbourne with images of the man charged
32:18
Speaker 2: by police with terrorism over the Bondeye events. Now the
32:22
Speaker 2: artist of the original street art who's had his work
32:26
Speaker 2: used here in this way has condemned what's happened, but
32:30
Speaker 2: clearly this has been used to push an ideological agenda.
32:34
Speaker 2: Deputy Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Rashida Campbell joins me. Now, well,
32:39
Speaker 2: no arguments I think from anyone about how disgusting these
32:41
Speaker 2: posters are, but they've spread far and wide in a
32:44
Speaker 2: very short time. I was in the city today and
32:47
Speaker 2: had a look around. I guess two questions from me,
32:51
Speaker 2: how quickly can they be removed? Or are they removed tonight?
32:56
Speaker 2: And how do we ensure that whomever did it face
32:59
Speaker 2: real old police consequences.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, great to be with you, Peter, as always,
33:04
Speaker 7: but very sad to be discussing this topic because we
33:08
Speaker 7: are still in the wake of the Bondai terrorist attacks,
33:10
Speaker 7: and we know our Jewish community in particular is deeply grieving.
33:14
Speaker 7: What has occurred here is absolutely disgusting. So many of
33:17
Speaker 7: your viewers might have seen the original Peter Drew posters,
33:20
Speaker 7: the Aussie posters. They've been up for many years now,
33:23
Speaker 7: and they were in factor a great nod to social cohesion.
33:26
Speaker 7: They featured people many faiths and backgrounds, many of whom
33:30
Speaker 7: had come to this country around a century ago. There was,
33:34
Speaker 7: in fact one of those posters was of a young
33:37
Speaker 7: Jewish man, a man called Frederick Kimmel, who served in
33:41
Speaker 7: the Australian Air Force and in fact.
33:43
Speaker 2: Died in his role for the military.
33:46
Speaker 7: And to hijack a campaign like that that was about
33:49
Speaker 7: social cohesion, to instead profile somebody who has committed one
33:53
Speaker 7: of the most grievous mass murders, a terrorist attack.
33:56
Speaker 2: In this country. We've got to say absolutely right.
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Speaker 7: Peter allegedly is disgusting. We've heard loud and clear from
34:05
Speaker 7: the Jewish community. Daniel Agion of the Executive Executive Council
34:08
Speaker 7: of Australian Jury has expressed his disgust and the deep
34:13
Speaker 7: hurt of the Jewish community. And we know that there
34:16
Speaker 7: are in fact many people in the Jewish community who
34:19
Speaker 7: lost loved ones in Bondi, who live at work in Melbourne.
34:23
Speaker 7: So can you imagine what it's like for them seeing
34:25
Speaker 7: this poster profiling this alleged.
34:30
Speaker 2: And how do we lock the person up who did it,
34:32
Speaker 2: the personal persons.
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Speaker 7: Yes, so there have been around forty posters put up
34:38
Speaker 7: over the past week and the City of Melbourne's approach
34:41
Speaker 7: to those posters is the same as our approach to
34:44
Speaker 7: anti Smitic racist graffiti. It comes down within an hour
34:48
Speaker 7: of being reported, So we have crews who are walking
34:52
Speaker 7: the streets taking them down. If they receive a report,
34:55
Speaker 7: they respond to it within an hour, so they are
34:57
Speaker 7: coming down quickly. But it does appear to be an
35:00
Speaker 7: organized campaign. So what is happening as we speak is
35:04
Speaker 7: the city CCTV is being provided to Victoria Police in
35:08
Speaker 7: an effort to identify these people. And for my part,
35:12
Speaker 7: they absolutely should face the full brunt of the law
35:15
Speaker 7: because this is you know, maybe people would say this
35:21
Speaker 7: is an act of vandalism, but I would say it
35:23
Speaker 7: is an act of indecency. And in this country, we
35:27
Speaker 7: never want to see this sort of hate on our streets.
35:31
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm almost out of time, but you've passed a
35:33
Speaker 2: motion and council, but you're going to get tough about
35:36
Speaker 2: protecting statues and monuments. In particular here I reference ones
35:40
Speaker 2: recently attacked, particularly the warm of oorial type monuments. Fine,
35:46
Speaker 2: good on you for having the motion, But in practical terms,
35:50
Speaker 2: what is going to come of it? How are you
35:52
Speaker 2: going to stop these attacks?
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Speaker 7: So we're going to do a few things The first
35:55
Speaker 7: one is if you vandalize a statue, the City of
35:58
Speaker 7: Melbourne's position is we will promptly repair it. So you
36:01
Speaker 7: knock down you know you've seen the damage to King George,
36:03
Speaker 7: Queen Victoria. We are making the position clear. If you
36:07
Speaker 7: are the mob thinking you're going to take down these
36:10
Speaker 7: colonial statues, we're actually proud of our city's history. We
36:13
Speaker 7: respect our city's history and we are going to make
36:15
Speaker 7: sure those statues go up. We are going to bolster
36:18
Speaker 7: u security around those statues, particularly in the lead up
36:21
Speaker 7: to days like Australia Day, to make it harder for
36:23
Speaker 7: you to do it. And then, perhaps most importantly, we
36:25
Speaker 7: are going to take an approach if.
36:27
Speaker 10: You break it, you buy it.
36:29
Speaker 7: If you broke something in a shop, you would be
36:31
Speaker 7: paying the damage. And if you break some in the city,
36:33
Speaker 7: it shouldn't be the rate payers like you and me
36:36
Speaker 7: Peter have slugged with the bill. It should be the
36:38
Speaker 7: mob who thinks the way to have a debate is
36:41
Speaker 7: to attack property of all Victorians, all Australians, and that
36:45
Speaker 7: is not the way we approach things in this country.
36:48
Speaker 7: We should be able to celebrate our history, whether that
36:50
Speaker 7: is colonial statues, whether that is the sacrifice of people
36:54
Speaker 7: like at the police memorial and there is absolutely no
36:57
Speaker 7: tolerance for this vile action and it's not Poya Rashina.
37:03
Speaker 2: I am going to circle back with you in six
37:04
Speaker 2: months time. We're going to get a report card to
37:07
Speaker 2: see just how successful fingers crossed this policy has been.
37:11
Speaker 2: Thank you for tonight. Well, let's go to the U.
37:14
Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK two Now, the last twenty
37:17
Speaker 2: four hours police have opened a new investigation into Lord
37:20
Speaker 2: Peter Mandelson. He has not lost his title over allegations
37:24
Speaker 2: he led sensitive information to Jeffrey Epstein. It comes after
37:28
Speaker 2: Kirs Starmer sacked Lord Mendelssohn from his role as UK
37:33
Speaker 2: ambassador in September over links to Epstein, despite Mandlsson saying
37:38
Speaker 2: it is nothing wrong. And we'll get to Prince Andrew
37:41
Speaker 2: too and his disgraced ex wife but permanent hangar On
37:45
Speaker 2: Fergie joining me now Skinne, his contributor and News Corp
37:48
Speaker 2: European correspondent Sophie Elsworth. Let's start with Mandlssohn, but I
37:53
Speaker 2: do want to get to Prince Andrew. What's the substance
37:56
Speaker 2: of the claims against Mandleson because I understand and it's
38:00
Speaker 2: sort of breathes to me like insider trading, Sophie, Peter.
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Speaker 14: This is deeply concerning for Sekia Starmer's labor government because
38:12
Speaker 14: revelations have come out that Lord Mandilsson leaked highly sensitive
38:17
Speaker 14: information when he was Business Secretary under the Gordon Brown
38:22
Speaker 14: government to Jeffrey Epstein, and he also received payments from
38:27
Speaker 14: Jeffrey Epstein while he was in office. Now he's facing
38:31
Speaker 14: very serious ramifications from this, Peter. He is facing allegations
38:36
Speaker 14: of misconduct in public office, which is a life imprisonment.
38:41
Speaker 14: And there's questions now been asked, how on earth did
38:45
Speaker 14: Lord Mandelsson be appointed ambassador, the UK's ambassador to the
38:50
Speaker 14: US A by.
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Speaker 15: Sakia Starmer, given it was widely known that.
38:54
Speaker 14: He had close associations with Jeffrey Epstein. So there are
38:58
Speaker 14: many questions to the answer said. But he is now
39:02
Speaker 14: very much in the doghouse, Peter, and his career is
39:06
Speaker 14: well and truly over.
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Speaker 2: All right. And the reports we're ready now that Prince
39:13
Speaker 2: Andrew moved out the former Prince Andrew Andrew Mountain Batan Windsor,
39:18
Speaker 2: I think we call him now. In the dead of
39:20
Speaker 2: the night he left the Royal Lodge and is on
39:23
Speaker 2: his way or installed in Sandringham.
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Speaker 15: That's right, Peter.
39:29
Speaker 14: I'm here this morning at Windsor and reports on the
39:33
Speaker 14: front of the Sun overnight is that he did move
39:35
Speaker 14: out in the dead of night. He was seen only
39:39
Speaker 14: outside Royal Lodge in the last few days in his
39:42
Speaker 14: four wheel drive. He's often coming in and out of
39:45
Speaker 14: his premises. But he has now gone to the north
39:47
Speaker 14: of the country to Sandringham Estate.
39:50
Speaker 15: But he has not yet left the Royal Lodge for good, Peter.
39:54
Speaker 14: He's still packing his bags and removing his things from there.
39:58
Speaker 15: But he's disgraced, Peter.
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Speaker 14: There is no doubt this is bringing more shame to
40:03
Speaker 14: the royal family. And yesterday we did hear from his
40:06
Speaker 14: younger brother, Prince Edward, who was the first rule to
40:10
Speaker 14: speak out after this latest tranch of Epstein emails, and
40:14
Speaker 14: said that we must think of all the victims. But
40:17
Speaker 14: I must stress, Peter, Andrew mount Batten Windsor has always
40:21
Speaker 14: denied any wrongdoing.
40:25
Speaker 2: So just just quickly, I mean, I want to know
40:27
Speaker 2: how this is going down in Britain. Do people think
40:29
Speaker 2: the king has done enough? Well?
40:34
Speaker 15: A lot of people here, Peter feel very sorry for
40:37
Speaker 15: the King. That they think that he couldn't control his
40:40
Speaker 15: brother and his brother is disgraced.
40:43
Speaker 14: But there is also questions on whether the King acted
40:46
Speaker 14: quick enough. We know he stripped his brother of his
40:50
Speaker 14: titles in October last year, but was this something that
40:53
Speaker 14: was allowed to fester for too long, particularly under the
40:57
Speaker 14: Queen given.
40:58
Speaker 15: That he is widely known as being her favorite son.
41:01
Speaker 14: But this has brought deep Shane Shane to the royal
41:05
Speaker 14: family and a saga that will continue into twenty twenty six.
41:11
Speaker 2: The shocking thing. I'll leave it there, thank you, Sophie
41:14
Speaker 2: coming up inside as a reportably telling Susan Lee, so
41:17
Speaker 2: make the coalition divorce final. Some think that a separation
41:22
Speaker 2: between the Libs and the Nats is a good thing.
41:24
Speaker 2: It will help the Liberals realign for urban seats. I
41:28
Speaker 2: think it's about as stupid as it gets. We'll get
41:31
Speaker 2: into that with my panel coming out, all right, coming
41:37
Speaker 2: out as Wednesday. Of course it'll be kell. But let's
41:40
Speaker 2: go out on my panel on the issue that I
41:42
Speaker 2: want to kick off tonight, and I'll introduce them in
41:44
Speaker 2: a moment. Is push from some Liberals to Susan Lee
41:48
Speaker 2: that they should not rejoin in coalition with the National
41:51
Speaker 2: Party that instead the Liberals to basically rebrand, reform and
41:56
Speaker 2: focus on urban seats, focus on met Tripolitan areas, particularly
42:02
Speaker 2: those dominated by the Teals. Let's get into it with
42:05
Speaker 2: that panel now, let's introduce them. One Nation Senator for
42:07
Speaker 2: New South Wales Sean Bell and Liberal MP Tony Passon.
42:11
Speaker 2: I'll start with you, Tony Passon, what would you say
42:13
Speaker 2: to those clowns inside the leaves that were giving that
42:16
Speaker 2: sort of advice to Susan Lee given you and I
42:19
Speaker 2: both know that a lot of your regional seats, your
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Speaker 2: former coalition regional seats, are actually held by liberals like you,
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Speaker 2: not Nats. Indeed, Susan Lee is one of those non
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Speaker 2: urban liberals.
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Speaker 16: Well, Peter, I've read those comments with interests like you did,
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Speaker 16: and the best I could say, it's an exercise in
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Speaker 16: false bravado. There is no way that the people that
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Speaker 16: are expressing this few actually believe it. They're all accurate
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Speaker 16: historians and they know even when John Harold could govern
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Speaker 16: in his own ride as a Liberal party, he understood
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Speaker 16: the importance of National Party in the coalition. So the
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Speaker 16: reality is we have to resolve this issue. We have
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Speaker 16: to resolve it quickly. And my prediction is it will
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Speaker 16: be resolved before the deadline, which I think is the
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Speaker 16: ninth of February.
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Speaker 15: It might.
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Speaker 16: Because you're humble, Pie.
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Speaker 2: But well, I'll ask you this one. So, when there
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Speaker 2: was an impass coming out of the Shadow Cabinet that
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Speaker 2: forced those Gnats to cross the floor to vote with
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Speaker 2: their party position, not the shadow cabinet position, When the
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Speaker 2: shadow cabinet split, as it did with the Liberals here
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Speaker 2: in the National Party there, why didn't Susan Lee call
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Speaker 2: a joint party room to resolve it? As you and
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Speaker 2: I both know is long standing practice.
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Speaker 16: I don't know, Peter, you know that I was waiting
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Speaker 16: with the leadership that we needed a joint party room. Absolutely,
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Speaker 16: I was just waiting for one. I was calling and
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Speaker 16: begging for one. I think the reality is there was
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Speaker 16: some concern of what might have come out of that
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Speaker 16: joint party room meaning and we should never be you
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Speaker 16: should never run shy of debates or discussion. And I
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Speaker 16: think the situation we find ourselves product not having had
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Speaker 16: that joint party.
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Speaker 2: Room spot on tiny absolutely spot. I mean, they're stupid.
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Speaker 2: And then there's bloody suicidal And that's where I hate
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Speaker 2: to say it. The party is tonight. Let's hope you
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Speaker 2: are right that there is a resolution. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how she continues, and of course your colleagues sitting there
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Speaker 2: on the desk is profiting from all of this, as
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Speaker 2: is the Labor Party. But I want to move on
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Speaker 2: to another issue and get your take on this one, Suan,
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Speaker 2: because the mad is today, with all the challenges facing Australia,
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Speaker 2: the man is today of til Meniku Ryan getting out
44:54
Speaker 2: there saying there. She wants the federal government to formally
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Speaker 2: name dangerous heat waves. She wants to improve public hells.
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Speaker 2: She wants to have all these climate warnings front and center.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 9: If we name peat waves, people will recognize them as
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Speaker 9: the health crisis that they represent.
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Speaker 2: Now goodness, may I also add that unions are out
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Speaker 2: there winning everyone to stop work. Whin it's thirty five degrees.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's the winter afternoon in the malley where
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Speaker 2: I came from. Thirty five degrees. I mean we might
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Speaker 2: as well give up and pack up as a country
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Speaker 2: if this is our attitude, Sean.
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Speaker 4: Now, Peter, it just knows to show how foolish and
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Speaker 4: silly the teals are and how quickly irrelevant they're becoming
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Speaker 4: because I mean this week we've just had interest rates
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Speaker 4: go up. I mean that's what one nation's been focused on,
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Speaker 4: interest rates, cost of living, bringing down the price of energy.
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Speaker 4: And I actually think this is almost a positive because
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Speaker 4: if they're getting that desperate they to scare people by
45:54
Speaker 4: treating normal weather like a disaster, it means we're winning
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Speaker 4: the argument again.
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Speaker 2: It's zero.
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Speaker 4: We're winning the argument against climate alarmism. And when we
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Speaker 4: win that argument, then we can start to bring in
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Speaker 4: positive energy policies and start doing things to improve cost
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Speaker 4: of living.
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Speaker 2: Can I get a comment from both of you please
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Speaker 2: on this fire sale of defense assets announced today. They
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Speaker 2: say it's going to raise money. I don't think it'll
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Speaker 2: ever go near the defense budget. We know that. But
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Speaker 2: a former brigadier has gone public today is saying he
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Speaker 2: think this is fiscal slight of hand, tiny passing.
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Speaker 16: You first, Well, Peter, firstly, it's only government that can
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Speaker 16: spend one point two billion dollars in transaction fees selling
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Speaker 16: three billion dollars worth of property.
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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 16: We don't know what the long term needs of our
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Speaker 16: defense force is going to be, and I think this
46:54
Speaker 16: is penny wise pound foolish, and I think there'll be
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Speaker 16: significant blowback because a lot of these assets are culturally important.
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Speaker 16: So I think there's a lot more water under the
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Speaker 16: bridge yet on this.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't pick up the point about having to
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Speaker 2: spend a billion dollars to make three billion dollars. That
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Speaker 2: sounds crazy, Sean.
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Speaker 4: I raised my eyebrow when I saw the floated price tag.
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Speaker 4: And I also found it very interesting that Labor, the
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Speaker 4: party of anti privatization, is now rushing to privatize our
47:29
Speaker 4: assets while they're in government. So it shows that the
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Speaker 4: hypocrisy of Labor knows no bounce. So we will be
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Speaker 4: looking at this because we do support the defense force
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Speaker 4: and we want to make sure that they are looked after.
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Speaker 4: But this this deal does not pass the pub test,
47:46
Speaker 4: so we'll be keeping a very close look on what's
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Speaker 4: going on there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've been watching for cozy deals with industry
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Speaker 2: super funds and union flunkies. There's too much of the
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Speaker 2: stuff I see built in amby capital cities like that
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Speaker 2: building where the politicians leave Bly Street in Sydney, Tony
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Speaker 2: have a connection back to the union movement and super funds.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. Gents, thank you, Sean Bell there
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Speaker 2: and Tony passon after break. Kel Richard's coming up. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to the lovely mister kel Richards, who joins me. Now
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Speaker 2: we've got one from one of our viewers, Bob, who
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Speaker 2: wants to know the origins of two words here, riff
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Speaker 2: raff and ramshackle, which sums up Canberra at the moment.
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Speaker 17: Belf certainly does. Riffraff came into English from French in
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Speaker 17: the fourteen hundreds and with much the same meaning people
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Speaker 17: of low birth, the peasantry. It originally was just one
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Speaker 17: word in French, raf and it meant rubbish or trash,
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Speaker 17: which was obviously how the upper classes thought about the
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Speaker 17: lower classes, so it was applied to them. Then it
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Speaker 17: was expanded into the phrase riff and raff, meaning all
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Speaker 17: of them, every one of them, and then riff and
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Speaker 17: raff was contracted into a single ipilated word refraff. Ramshackle,
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Speaker 17: the other word he asked about, originally meant was a
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Speaker 17: verb to ramshackle, someone was to hit them or beat them,
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Speaker 17: and it came to then be an adjective. Something is
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Speaker 17: ramshackle if it's about to fall apart, if it's pretty
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Speaker 17: loosely put together. And of course if you beat or
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Speaker 17: hit someone who is or some some person or something,
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Speaker 17: it ends up being likely to fall apart. So you
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Speaker 17: can see where the verb led to the adjective.
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Speaker 2: We have time for honorable? Why do we call our
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Speaker 2: politicians honorable?
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Speaker 17: And I think I'm being told we don't have enough time?
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Speaker 2: Well save that one for the next week. Thank you, kel,
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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, that's it
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Speaker 2: for me. Is Andrew