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S6 270. Its about Time, Part 1 - The Chronos (linear) & the Kairos (opportune time) · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Welcome back to another collaboration of the Minis
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  Micros, as I call them, and Minis as Pete from the Days of
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  Noah podcast calls me. Pete, we got some time today to
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  jump into a couple cool topics. We have to be with you again.
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  You as well, Sir. And yeah, on our show, we, we
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  track them as many episodes just to keep them separate from the
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  full episodes and number them accordingly.
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  And this one is about time, isn't it, Rod?
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  Yeah. I mean, we've had a couple of
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  interesting conversations off air and the idea of this
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  hermeneutical hygiene that the, you know, that's the term the
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  late Doctor Chuck Missler came up with.
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  We all know what hermeneutics is, but Chuck would go above and
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  beyond and say it's, it's a hygiene thing.
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  It's a constant effort to keep it clean, right?
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  And there's just so much honor that I have for him personally.
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  So a, a bit of these miniseries are going to be geared towards,
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  let's really look at what the words mean so that we actually
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  understand the context, so that we understand the scope of
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  what's being said. And I'm not insinuating any of
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  us are outright ignorant or stupid here.
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  I'm just saying there's, oh, it's multi layered.
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  So there's always more. It's really a healthy exercise
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  that a couple of you out there, I believe are going to maybe
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  learn how to study your Bible better just from listening to a
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  couple of these. So Pete, we'll kick it off with
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  time, right? This is once again a
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  conversation we've had behind the scenes.
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  It's a strange experience. I mean, I actually had to
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  challenge myself. How do I deal with time?
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  What's my definition of it? What's my experience of it?
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  Uneducated, right? Like what?
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  What does it feel like for me? How do I express it?
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  And that's an interesting one. It seems like some days I'll
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  wake up and to be honest with you Pete, it's like you have to
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  re remember and re engage all over again.
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  There's other days I wake up and I feel like I know exactly
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  what's going on, where I am in life, how things should go it.
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  It's a little back and forth for me.
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  So time is a very interesting subject.
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  I'm kind of curious, you know, before we get into definitions
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  and cultural worldviews and hermeneutics on time, what would
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  be your 30,000 foot view of explaining time to somebody
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  personally? I think as it relates to
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  relearning each day how to follow God and keep him in mind
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  throughout all of the, let's say, more tangible things, that
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  use of time really comes into play.
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  You know, sometimes I think like I get up and I have this set
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  amount of time before I really have to get going and I'm trying
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  to reawaken the spiritual side of myself and the carnal side is
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  just not feeling it. And you know, sometimes I think,
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  well, if I use some of my time before I go to bed to pray, you
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  know, what kind of bookend the day, maybe I'll wake up with
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  more of that mindset. But it doesn't always work that
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  way. And so I think time as a
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  resource is, is kind of what comes to mind, right?
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  I think as we get older, we hope that we have more money.
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  So because our time seems to be decreasing as our
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  responsibilities and interests and and vocational goals and
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  passions seem to increase, we hope that we have more money so
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  we can pay the neighbor kid to mow the lawn instead of us
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  having to do it. But I think a lot of us, myself,
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  in all fairness, full, Full disclosure, feel like there's
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  just not enough time or money to do all of the things and, and
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  feeling the weight of the responsibilities of adulting.
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  I just don't feel like it today. So I think, I think time can can
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  feel weary as it will get into the the Kairos and the Kronos.
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  The Kronos being the linear concept that can feel really
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  weary sometimes. And recognizing that God's
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  timeline isn't ours, He sees things in a different way.
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  And what we count as slowness is not slowness to God.
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  Is there spaces within the spaces?
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  I love your your point because a lot of the people that are
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  listening to this are trading their time for money, right?
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  Laborious efforts in order to just it's like you're trading
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  lower quality time in hopes of having higher quality time
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  slots. Very fascinating.
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  So definitionally let's look at this through the English here a
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  little bit. Time is explained as an
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  irreversible progression of existence from past to the
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  future, measured by events like day and night, but is understood
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  in physics as a relative dimension intertwined with
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  space. We all know the space-time
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  continuum. Albert Einstein's work time has
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  been explained as a dimension. The four dimensional space-time
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  physics considers time 1/4 dimension inseparable from the
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  three spatial dimensions length, width and height.
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  Just as kind of a quick caveat, something that's popping up into
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  my mind, I I have to give some declaration to it was knock
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  commodities back in the 1300s. I believe, if I'm getting the
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  year correctly by memory, who studied that?
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  There's 12 dimensions from Genesis and they put him to the
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  stake. He, he was killed because they
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  said it was advanced witchcraft or just blasphemy, but that's
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  accurate. So he would not be a martyr
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  today. He would actually be, you know,
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  recognized and respected. He was in a different time slot
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  of experience, irreversible progression.
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  I perceive it as like the moment by moment.
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  I think prophecy is an interesting thing.
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  We'll get to the the cyclical nature of prophecy at some
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  point, maybe in this miniseries, Pete.
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  But to plant a seed, the prophetic nature and its
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  originality, the etymology of it talks about time travel within
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  the psyche or the spirit, but the body not quite being there,
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  right? I mean, harpazo is a whole
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  different time travel type scenario.
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  Philip, who goes to see the Ethiopian eunuch, obviously is
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  not restricted by the time space continuum I just mentioned, but
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  we're not quite there yet. Just I'm a little excited for
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  this one. I've been actually planning this
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  for months, even though I still feel underprepared.
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  So just human perception of time and that that measurement,
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  right? Let's we know there's the speed
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  and the gravity effects of time. This is a fascinating 1.
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  You look at some of the mechanics.
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  It was once again the late Doctor Chuck Missler, who shared
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  an experiment that 10 years ago blew my mind.
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  I'm still grappling with it. He had mentioned about twins
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  being born on Earth and one traveling at the speed of light
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  going to the closest star, Alpha Centauri, and returning, and how
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  long it would take for a ship traveling at the speed of light
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  to do so. And upon that ship's arrival,
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  after 30-4 years, the twin sibling would be 9 years younger
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  than its other sibling on Earth. And it's like, well, like that
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  doesn't even make sense. Like how do we wrestle through
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  this? So just some extreme examples
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  that are provable within the mechanics of space-time
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  continuum and it's core definition though it's in its
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  most fundamental sense, time is a continuous irreversible
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  progression of existence. It it's the observers, the the
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  observational frame of reference by the moment to moment our
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  everyday usage. We say very specific things like
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  a allotted time or a duration of time, an instance or an
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  occasion, right? I've told you 3 times already a
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  specific period in the Victorian times, we say in personal, I had
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  a great time on this recording, right?
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  I mean, we think about the way that we use the time in the, in
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  English Camden's and that's not necessarily how it was used in
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  the ancients. So Pete, I'll kind of pass it to
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  you if we want to get into the some of this Greek mindset on
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  the way that they define time and let's see where we go from
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  there. Right.
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  And typically we think of the the linear sequential measurable
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  time and that's the Kronos idea from the Greek concept.
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  And I think of the late comedian Mitch Hedberg.
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  He he had some great one liners. If you know him, you guys can
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  still look him up on YouTube and find some clips.
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  But he had one rod where he's like, if somebody says, you
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  know, this is a picture of me when I was younger, Mitch would
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  say, well, every picture of you is when you were younger.
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  Yeah, exactly even. If it was 5 seconds ago.
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  So that's how we think of it, right?
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  We're kind of stuck in that moment.
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  We're always in the present and God is not bound by that,
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  obviously. And again, I think that can be a
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  good thing when we're reveling in the beauty of nature or with
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  a special someone or a day that we've been waiting for has
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  finally arrived and we have those moments where it's like we
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  don't want it to end. And then there's kind of the
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  grind, the Kronos of the linearness grinding on.
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  Am I ever going to have that debt paid off?
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  Am I ever going to see that relationship turn around?
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  Is my job ever going to be fulfilling?
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  Am I doing the things that I'm supposed to do?
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  Is this is this in my scroll God that you wrote for me or am I
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  off course? So we we have those kind of
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  questioning moments. And then the Greek also has the
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  Kairos type of time, which is the opportune or the right
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  moment, kind of that supreme moment that comes in everything
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  into the alignment. And you know, I think many of
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  you could have those stories of like when God moved, you
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  couldn't believe how fast everything unfolded and how
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  things fell into place when that Kairos time happens.
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  And we can have that sort of bias to, you know, big events
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  where we just kind of fall into everything is just going to keep
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  continuing as it is. You know, one of the concepts I
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  think that was alluded to with Jesus when he said, as in the
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  days of Noah, people were just going about their normal
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  business. And yet behind the scenes, when
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  we pay attention to what God is doing prophetically, cyclically,
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  and in time, he's doing things. Things are lining up.
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  And on another episode, we'll talk about some of those
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  cyclical things where it's incredible.
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  He's using the same pattern that he did with an ancient Pagan
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  ruler. And he's doing the same pattern.
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  Even the amount of time that they're on the political stage
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  thousands of years ago, that archetype is replayed today.
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  So I think it was Dutch Sheets. If you guys can look him up on
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  YouTube, he has a Daily Show called Give Him 15 that is is
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  really good. And one disclaimer I will say
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  real quick. I I love Dutch Dutch's stuff and
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  his brother Tim's as well. He does tend to reference the
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  Passion translation, which I don't want to get into a rabbit
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  trail on that rod, but it's not technically a biblical
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  translation. So if you hear him reference, if
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  you hear him reference the Passion translation, just, you
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  know, take it with a grain of salt.
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  It's not technically a Bible translation, but wonderful stuff
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  from Dutch. And he was the first one that
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  mentioned this idea of Kronos and Kairos.
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  And that's that's kind of where I want to leave that is these
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  two concepts and understanding that with God, it's not all the
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  same thing. And to ask him to help us have
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  his perspective of how he is having our lives and the bigger
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  picture play out. Yeah.
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  And I think it's it's literally a duty for us to also make it of
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  interest for us to understand the boundaries or parameters on
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  this thing. Why does it feel like when
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  you're having fun, time flies by, Sad, lonely, rainy day piano
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  moments. It's like you're bored, time
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  trots along, sluggish pace. Why do we perceive it that way?
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  Does it have to do with our interests, our energy?
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  I mean, how do we talk about seasons?
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  How do we talk about appointed times, which is much different
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  than times alone? Or what about the twinkling of
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  an eye that the apostle Paul talks about?
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  Which is the fastest measurement of time in the Greek and the
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  Hebrew mindset, all to be discussed here in the very near
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  future? I feel like, Pete, this is a
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  really good kind of ground episode, getting people
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  interested in time. We have much more meat to get
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  into regarding the Hebrew mindset.
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  Bible verses verbatim, just like Psalms 9012, teach us to number
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  our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom and much more.
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  Even the Vedas have some very interesting concepts of time and
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  we'll kind of close out on this one.
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  It's been an honor to be with you for a Part 1 on TIME, Pete.
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  You bet. Yeah, I look forward to the next
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  one. Thanks, Rod.
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  God bless guys. I came from the sun, but one of
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  the only straight from the heavens.
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  He really owed me. All in my life I was beating up.
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  All in my life I didn't handle. All in my life I was stuck in on
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  track. All in my life I didn't handle
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  rap. I didn't know why my life was so
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  wet. I didn't know why my life was a
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  rat. I didn't know why I couldn't get
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  up. I was so stuck.
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  And the monkey was stuck till I found out.
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  And I broke everything till I found out.
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  And they took everything until I was hurting.
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  My heart was strained. Yeah, I was broken.
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  I had all this pain. Held on the hope.
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  It got harder than this hope. Then I went to the side of this
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  mode. I had no truth but to look to my
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  cat. He gave me to me up, open my
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  eyes. He gave me earrings.
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  And he told me I'm blessed. He told me he just believe in
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  this time. I told him I can't change all of
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  my ways. He said I got you.
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  Just look at this. I looked at him and he showed me
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  his ways. Then he just told me how I am
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  this time. Then he just told me I'm not in
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  this world. He told me I come from the
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  heavens above. I'm a new creature.
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  I come from the sun, from the one and only straight from the
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  heavens. You really owe me.
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  I came from the sun. I was really with him.
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  And heavenly places I'm sealing. Y'all can't even go that way,
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  y'all don't even know that way. Y'all want to play like Patty
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  Kay but this ain't no game. But it's right.
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  You wank this so fake when you walk under me and I know you're
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  a snake. You think you can beat me but
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  you got no power you want in a way I take out that chopper,
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  I'll put on your chopper and I'll prank on your face.
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  I see you laughing. You think that you got me but
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  you got no way. The evil you say for my life is
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  OK because it's made for my good.
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  My God is created. He created you so you really is
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  cooked. I said all these things 'cause I
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  know what is true and you know you win for but like I did case
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  we're done with the games. You can never win.
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  I know the things that's gonna happen to you when you die.
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  You didn't say living your life 'cause you know you can never go
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  and get saved. You know his great day, His
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  mercy was true from you when you're my started the plot.
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  Thought you could take on my God's spot.