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This Gay Week: LGBTQ Rights Under Pressure Worldwide · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 1: No time to fear.
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  Speaker 2: Corral is so near because Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 3: So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 4: Corral is the one that you need to know.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's Showtime.
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  Speaker 5: It is Thursday, October 8th. That means it's time for
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  Speaker 5: This Gay Week with Carell and Scott Jacobson from The
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  Speaker 5: Good Man Project, live from Ukraine. And we're going to
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  Speaker 5: get to all the topics from around the world that
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  Speaker 5: deal with us gays. Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's your turn.
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  Speaker 5: All right, it is the Carell Show. I am Carell,
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  Speaker 5: and welcome. We are here for this gay week and
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  Speaker 5: this week in Ukraine and just idle chit-chat between Scott
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  Speaker 5: and I. It's our only time to catch up because,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we do it on air. Why have private
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  Speaker 5: conversations when you can let the world see? And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we're doing this gay week, and I just, before we
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  Speaker 5: get to it, I have to just say out loud,
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  Speaker 5: as part of my new thing, as if you've been
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  Speaker 5: watching the show, you know that I had a heart incident.
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  Speaker 5: It really scared me. And I realized that I have
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  Speaker 5: too much negativity and too much stress in my life.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm trying desperately to look on the brighter side
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  Speaker 5: of things and not let things get me down. The
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  Speaker 5: problem is right now in the world when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to LGBTQ issues, the pendulum has swung to the bad side.
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  Speaker 5: As you know, everything in life is cyclical. It goes good,
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  Speaker 5: it goes bad, it goes somewhere in between. Right now,
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to LGBTQ people, it is definitely over
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  Speaker 5: to the bad side. And we're going to address that
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  Speaker 5: in today's This Gay Week because there's a couple news
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  Speaker 5: stories that are addressing why the world is going to
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  Speaker 5: the right when it comes to LGBTQIA issues. Here in America,
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  Speaker 5: as you know, this last week, Title IX protections expired.
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  Speaker 5: for LGBTQ people. They didn't expire. They were killed by
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  Speaker 5: the Trump administration. It's not like they willfully expired. They
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  Speaker 5: were shot dead. Also, as you know, this week in
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  Speaker 5: the United States, we had more gay violence, more trans violence.
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  Speaker 5: And as you know, it's election season and the Democrats
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  Speaker 5: can't decide if they're for the gay people or against
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  Speaker 5: them in so much as some are saying they don't
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  Speaker 5: want trans people in sports, but they support trans people,
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  Speaker 5: which is an oxymoron. others are saying, you know, oh,
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  Speaker 5: gay marriage, oh, I support it, and yet they wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: put it up for a congressional vote to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that it's never overturned by the Supreme Court. So we
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of conflicting messages out there right now,
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  Speaker 5: and to get to some of them on the worldwide stage,
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  Speaker 5: let's go to Scott. Hi, Scott, you got a haircut.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, nice to meet you. Thank you very much for noticing.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, nice to meet you. We've met before, honey.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 5: Every week you're in a new architecturally interesting building. Now,
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  Speaker 5: do you just move from building to building because, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the others are blown up, uh, or, you know, do
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  Speaker 5: you just have a bevy of interesting buildings to be in?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have a bevy of interesting buildings to be in.
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  Speaker 3: I have a bevy of interesting buildings to visit and
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  Speaker 3: also stay. Uh, but I really just came back from
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  Speaker 3: a desk week. I was going to do last week,
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  Speaker 3: but I was doing some field work, uh, visiting some
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  Speaker 3: places and some interviews and articles upcoming around that. And so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're in.
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  Speaker 5: A place where there seems to be a never-ending war
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  Speaker 5: going on. And October 7th, yesterday, was the anniversary of
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  Speaker 5: the attack in Israel, which everybody condemns. Even if you
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  Speaker 5: don't support the genocide, you don't support what Hamas did
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  Speaker 5: on October 7th. How are Jews and others in Ukraine,
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  Speaker 5: in their own war zone, How did they commemorate the
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  Speaker 5: October 7th start of the war three years ago yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: or did they? Are they able to pay attention to
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  Speaker 5: that because, you know, they have so much going on already?
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  Speaker 5: You know, or was it on anyone's mind? Or how
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  Speaker 5: was that acknowledged there in Ukraine?
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  Speaker 3: So if you follow, like, the chief ruler of Ukraine,
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  Speaker 3: Moshe Asman, who was elected in 2005, They have Chief
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  Speaker 3: Rabbi of Kiev, Yonatan Markovich. All of them have large families,
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  Speaker 3: and many of those kids are being rabbis themselves. And
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  Speaker 3: so one of them runs a thing called JCC Beit Menachim.
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  Speaker 3: And some of you are seeing on that, they did
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  Speaker 3: a commemoration of Bebin Yar. And then also October 7th,
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  Speaker 3: the thing was on also today. So they do have
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  Speaker 3: time for it. And you can see the commemoration of
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  Speaker 3: Bebin Yar around, or Bebin Yar even. I think Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Zelensky was there.
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  Speaker 5: Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Budna was there. Yonatan Markovich was there, et cetera. And
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  Speaker 3: so it's people of prominence and relevance, not only to
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  Speaker 3: the country, but to the city too, particularly they do
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  Speaker 3: various commemorations and remembrances. in a formal capacity. So there
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  Speaker 3: are sort of a.
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  Speaker 5: What about the Free Palestine sort of movement? Is there
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  Speaker 5: anyone in Ukraine that is saying that... You can answer
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  Speaker 5: when we come back, but is there anyone in Ukraine
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  Speaker 5: that is actually saying that Israel is committing genocide and
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  Speaker 5: or should stop it? Or is everyone there basically just
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  Speaker 5: on the side... I don't want to say on the
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  Speaker 5: side of Israel, but is everyone there... really just saying, no,
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  Speaker 5: Israel was attacked and they have every right to do,
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  Speaker 5: because they are an attacked people themselves. The Russians attacked
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  Speaker 5: the Ukraine, so they know how it feels. We'll be
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  Speaker 5: right back with Scott Jacobson in the Ukraine as we
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  Speaker 1: No time to fear.
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  Speaker 2: Corral is so near because Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 3: So on with the show.
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  Speaker 4: Let's give it a go. Corral is the one that
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  Speaker 4: you need to know.
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  Speaker 5: All right, we are back. I am here. I am Carell.
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  Speaker 5: It is The Carell Show. It's handy that I'm here
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  Speaker 5: since it is my show. Scott Jacobson is live in
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  Speaker 5: the Ukraine in Kyiv. We were talking before we get
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  Speaker 5: to the gay issues. You know, it's interesting to get
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  Speaker 5: perspective from other parts of the world. Here in the
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  Speaker 5: United States, there is a split. There are those that
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  Speaker 5: support Israel unequivocally and don't want to hear any of
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  Speaker 5: this free Palestine mess. They're like, no, we were attacked.
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  Speaker 5: Israel was attacked. We support what Netanyahu is doing. He
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  Speaker 5: has every right to do it. And then there are
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  Speaker 5: those that say, I'm not anti-Semitic. I love Jews and
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  Speaker 5: Jewish people, but I do not support what the state
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  Speaker 5: of Israel is doing. Their response was disproportionate to the
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  Speaker 5: attack of October 7th, and they have now committed genocide.
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  Speaker 5: And so Ed Sheeran got into trouble because of Macklemore
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  Speaker 5: getting fired from the tour. And there's been lots of
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  Speaker 5: ways that this has worked its way into pop culture.
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  Speaker 5: So I wanted to ask Scott over there if there
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  Speaker 5: is the same rift, if there is a group of
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  Speaker 5: people that support Israel and Netanyahu and what he is
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  Speaker 5: doing and think this is all fair game because they
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  Speaker 5: were attacked, or if there are some that are saying
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  Speaker 5: there needed to be restraint and that what's happened now
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  Speaker 5: is a genocide. It's interesting because they are at war.
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  Speaker 5: They were attacked by Russia in what some would say
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  Speaker 5: Putin is trying to commit a genocide against the Ukrainians
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  Speaker 5: and wipe them out, wipe out their culture and just
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  Speaker 5: absorb it. So what is the mood over there? Is
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  Speaker 5: there a sort of, I don't want to say a
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  Speaker 5: free Palestine movement, but are there people sympathetic to the
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  Speaker 5: Palestinians and or the fact that there is perhaps what
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  Speaker 5: the world is calling a genocide going on?
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  Speaker 3: Not a core focus in the country much. There has been,
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  Speaker 3: I had to look it up, Ukraine-Palestinian Solidarity Group. A
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  Speaker 3: letter was published in 2023 around supporting Palestinian self-determination, ceasefire,
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  Speaker 3: humanitarian access, and occupation. It had 469 names by May 2024.
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  Speaker 3: So of note, but not major, and they have more
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  Speaker 3: immediate concerns around aggression of a state, a more autocratic state.
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  Speaker 3: So comes up, apparently, but not very much. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a core conversation for a lot of them. I've never
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  Speaker 3: heard it. You can talk about it pretty much at
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  Speaker 3: all here.
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  Speaker 5: And I can understand that. I can. Given where they are,
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  Speaker 5: given their ethnic makeup, I can get it. On my
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  Speaker 5: show yesterday, I kind of just melted down because I've
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  Speaker 5: made a few comments under Boy George's post because I
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  Speaker 5: think he is exploiting this for his own publicity to
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  Speaker 5: stay relevant. I mean, he's an Irish kid. He's not Jewish.
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  Speaker 5: And to put himself in the middle of of the argument,
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  Speaker 5: which he has, seems a bit odd to me. And
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  Speaker 5: they have come for me with hatred like you wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: believe just because I've said, look, I don't condone what
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  Speaker 5: Hamas did, but I also do not condone what Netanyahu
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  Speaker 5: is doing. Two wrongs do not make a right. And
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  Speaker 5: I think it's time for both sides to step back
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  Speaker 5: and to get a peaceful solution. And or Israel needs
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  Speaker 5: to move. And I did not say that flippantly. I
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  Speaker 5: It started to be created in 1918 by the British.
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  Speaker 5: That came to completion in 1949. It's not even 100
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  Speaker 5: years old, and nobody in the region likes it. It's
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  Speaker 5: like me moving into the middle. of a MAGA community.
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  Speaker 5: Should I be able to? Yes. Should they not attack me? Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Would they attack me? Yes. I know there's no easy solution,
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  Speaker 5: and Scott, I'm older than you, and I've seen this
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  Speaker 5: from the time I was a kid where the Israel
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  Speaker 5: community and their right to exist, and their sovereignty, and
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  Speaker 5: them being attacked has been every president, and I went
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  Speaker 5: through them yesterday since I was born, every president. I
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  Speaker 5: was born with JFK. He had to deal with it.
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  Speaker 5: He got assassinated. Johnson had to deal with it. Nixon
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  Speaker 5: had to deal with it. Ford had to deal with it.
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  Speaker 5: Reagan had to deal with it. George Sr. had to deal,
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  Speaker 5: or Carter had to deal with it. And Carter has
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  Speaker 5: the only remaining peace deal still existing on the table.
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  Speaker 5: So then Carter had to deal with it. Then George Sr.
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  Speaker 5: had to deal with it. Then Obama had to deal
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  Speaker 5: with it. And Trump hasn't dealt with it, but he
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  Speaker 5: was supposed to have twice. And Biden had to deal
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  Speaker 5: with it. So every president since my birth, and those
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  Speaker 5: are all the presidents I've had, have had to deal
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  Speaker 5: with this problem. And I just kind of don't want
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  Speaker 5: it to be our problem anymore. I want it to
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  Speaker 5: be their problem. I'm tired of spending billions of dollars
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  Speaker 5: and not getting any results. But that's me. Let's get
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  Speaker 5: to the gayness in the world. And of course, a
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  Speaker 5: lot of the stories are not positive ones. And a
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  Speaker 5: lot of it is mimicking what we are going through
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  Speaker 5: here in this country. I will say there's a few
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  Speaker 5: things that have surprised me. Last week, there was a
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  Speaker 5: story that surprised me. I forget which one, but it
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  Speaker 5: was basically the founder of a gay rights coalition decided
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  Speaker 5: to not be in the coalition anymore. And now, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Australia has always been pretty receptive to LGBTQ people and
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  Speaker 5: LGBTQ rights. And now it appears they've missed the boat
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  Speaker 5: because they rejected all recommendations for improving LGBTQ rights made
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  Speaker 5: via the United Nations process. I don't know why. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what's going on in Australia in terms of politics.
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  Speaker 5: Have they swung to the right too? You know, it
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  Speaker 5: just seems like they're a very open country. And now
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  Speaker 5: the UN Human Rights Council, their universal periodic review enables
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  Speaker 5: countries to review each other's human rights record and provide
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  Speaker 5: recommendations for improvements. Of 332 recommendations overall, The government accepted 128,
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  Speaker 5: none of which were for LGBTQI people. You've got to
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  Speaker 5: wonder why.
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  Speaker 3: Can you repeat that total number and the number accepted again, please?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's very.
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  Speaker 5: Good to underline. They made 332... Let me get to the...
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  Speaker 5: Make sure I'm reading it right. They made 332 recommendations overall.
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  Speaker 5: The government accepted 128 recommendations of those recommendations. So they
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  Speaker 5: did not accept 204 of the recommendations. And of the
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  Speaker 5: 128 recommendations that they did accept, none were for LGBTQI people.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's not a good look to be
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  Speaker 3: rejecting well over half of the recommendations from the UN.
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  Speaker 3: The Universal Periodic Review of PR is a very standardized procedure.
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  Speaker 3: Every country has to go through it. And so this
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  Speaker 3: is a very fair procedure that the UN does. And
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they're rejecting so many is probably not
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  Speaker 3: shocking because I haven't done a systematic study of how
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  Speaker 3: common it is to reject how many, but the fact
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  Speaker 3: that so many are made and so many were rejected
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  Speaker 3: and none of them had to do with those that
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  Speaker 3: were accepted with LGBTI plus using the language of the
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  Speaker 3: LGBTI core group in the UN. It's pretty remarkable, especially
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  Speaker 3: from a wealthy society. They can't use the excuses of
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  Speaker 3: being theocratic, autocratic, poor, or uneducated. They're a wealthy, open, democratic,
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  Speaker 3: and educated society. So this is a very.
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  Speaker 5: They're the fucking home of koalas, let's be real. The
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  Speaker 5: gayest little animal. I mean, come on, it's the gayest
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  Speaker 5: little animal in the world. But that.
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  Speaker 3: The LGBTI plus recommendations than a kangaroo, you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's true. The sad part is in the interpreter, which
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  Speaker 5: is the publication that printed this, there's a very telling
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  Speaker 5: next line after it gave the statistics. And the line is,
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  Speaker 5: this matters particularly in the current political moment involving a
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  Speaker 5: backlash against LGBTQIA identities and a regression of on gay
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  Speaker 5: rights around the world. The United Kingdom, for example, was
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  Speaker 5: ranked first in Europe on LGBTQI rights in 2013. By 2026,
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  Speaker 5: it's fallen to number 22. The deteriorating rights space is
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  Speaker 5: so severe that the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention has
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  Speaker 5: issued a red flag alert on anti-trans and intersex rights.
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  Speaker 5: the Institute also put out an alert for the United
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  Speaker 5: States on anti-trans rights. So the Lemkin Institute for Genocide
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  Speaker 5: Prevention has issued a red flag alert for the United
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  Speaker 5: States on anti-trans rights. That is mind-boggling to me. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I know I should... You know what I mean, Scott?
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  Speaker 5: I know that I should be prepared for something like that,
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  Speaker 5: but it's amazing how quickly... my rights worldwide have gone
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  Speaker 5: backwards more than any other group of people, more than immigrants,
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  Speaker 5: more than women, more than women, more than anybody. It's
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  Speaker 5: amazing how my rights and the rights of people like
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  Speaker 5: me have gone backwards so fast, meaning that the do-gooders
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  Speaker 5: who progressed them weren't doing it out of a deep
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  Speaker 5: felt need for equality. They were doing it for political
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  Speaker 5: gain or expediency and And now that that political gain
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  Speaker 5: or expediency is gone, they have no problem going backwards.
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  Speaker 5: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: The political moves back were slower than the corporate moves backwards.
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  Speaker 3: Who commented a little bit on this?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. In some ways, yes. Corporations have stuck by us
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  Speaker 5: more than governments, which is odd because corporations run governments.
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  Speaker 5: So that's really interesting. Now, in the interpreter's research of
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  Speaker 5: the backlash against gay rights and the prevention of mass
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  Speaker 5: atrocity crimes, they found that there are significant gaps in
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  Speaker 5: both research and policy practice where LGBTQIA people haven't been
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  Speaker 5: factored into risk indicators for atrocities. The underlying assumption is
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  Speaker 5: that the communities served by the people working on atrocity
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  Speaker 5: prevention are all heterosexuals and cisgenders. which is not the
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  Speaker 5: case for any large group of people. We argue that
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  Speaker 5: researchers and practitioners need to remove the cis-heteronormative blindfold and
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  Speaker 5: consider the specific needs of gay people. And that brings
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  Speaker 5: up a really interesting point. You know, here's something you
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  Speaker 5: probably know because you're really super smart. You're a super intelligence.
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  Speaker 5: You're not an AI. You're a super intelligence.
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  Speaker 3: MSI.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're in that spot.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't read about that.
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  Speaker 5: Did you hear? Maybe you didn't hear over there.
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  Speaker 3: I read about that.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sad that I had enough time out of my
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  Speaker 3: exhausting schedule to even read that part. But it was
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  Speaker 3: a nice little break of amusement in spite of the bombs.
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  Speaker 5: It's not amusing if you live in this particular country where.
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  Speaker 3: He just said he wanted to take out Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: and San Diego and it would be a small project. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I did read that. There was a joke I heard
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  Speaker 3: today that was, imagine being Canada is like living in
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  Speaker 3: the floor above the apartment where the car alarm or
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  Speaker 3: the fire alarm is going off for three years. And
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  Speaker 3: then the comment that followed that one was, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: then the other one was, yeah, imagine being trapped in
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  Speaker 3: the apartment or the car for three years.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'd have to get off of what
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  Speaker 5: I was just going to say, but I read an
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  Speaker 5: interesting article in The Guardian yesterday that said it's not
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  Speaker 5: so much that Donald Trump said that about Los Angeles
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  Speaker 5: and San Diego, it's everyone's reaction to it. A, it
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  Speaker 5: was the audience applauding for it. That speaks volumes. B,
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  Speaker 5: it's that, and they didn't, let me paraphrase for you.
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  Speaker 5: They said that he's so fucking crazy that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's accepted. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's normal. We have normalized our response to him.
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  Speaker 3: Remember he was with Zelensky and he referred to the
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  Speaker 3: Islamic Republic of Japan.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: So maybe the Islamic Republic of Japan will be the
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  Speaker 3: one launching the rockets to bomb Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, I don't know that on our... I
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  Speaker 5: got to check for a second here. I'm worried that our...
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  Speaker 5: Let's see. I'm worried that the video that I'm showing
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  Speaker 5: of you and me together... Have audio I'm really worried
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: about that so let's see there I have audio now
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  Speaker 5: will you go ahead and speak to me.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Dear testing testing one two three.
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  Speaker 5: Now I'm wondering if those segments will even be usable
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: I hope so they'll hear you they may not hear
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: me which they've heard enough of me anyway so that's
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: fine Um, or maybe I just want i'm talking about
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: this shot here this shot here may not have audio
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: from me on it Which will be bad Uh, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: that's what I don't want to start the whole show
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: over again Um, I really don't I mean we should
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  Speaker 5: but I don't Uh, because we 20 minutes in baby Uh,
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  Speaker 5: so I don't want to keep you up. I don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: want to keep you up late uh, anyway, um besides
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: they hear me all the time uh, so So anyway,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: um Where was I going? Oh, about the fact that
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: they're not gay, that these people that are doing this
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: kind of... What I was going to say is here
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: in America, I don't know if it's the same other places,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: and you probably know this, most of the medical research
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: for drugs is done on men. Men.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: And not women. And then they still give the drugs
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: to women, but There's been no research on women. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: so now there's a push that when a drug manufacturer
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: does a drug, that they test it out on women too.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: And it's the same thing. In other words, how on
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: earth can you be sensitive to gay issues If you're
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: not gay. All right, we are back. Look, Scott, I
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: can totally read the rest of these stories this week.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: And do you need to go? You just got an alert.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: There are ballistic missiles incoming. Do you need to go
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: to a shelter?
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  Speaker 3: No, that's fine. Let's go.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: It's not fine. I don't want my video to go
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  Speaker 5: viral because it shows a reporter being blown up.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: These things land within a couple of minutes, so it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: too late at this point.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, dear God.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, you have me really worried now. It just seems
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  Speaker 5: so stupid to be sitting here talking about these issues
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: when there are bombs falling around you. I mean, it just.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I did have something I wanted to add. So when
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  Speaker 3: I used to be in psychology labs... not medical laboratories,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: but when you're talking about how men are typically considered
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the normative body for a sample of the human being,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: it skews the research. And so you'd want more women
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: in samples. So you get a more balanced sheet of
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: what are their specific concerns and gynecology, not other areas.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: In psychology, they used to talk about weird. So I
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: pulled it up. It was from Joseph Heinrich or Heinrich.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Stephen Hine, and Ara Norenzayan. Ara, I think, is in
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the University of British Columbia. He's a prominent researcher. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: so WEIRD is Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic. WEIRD
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: subjects in behavioral sciences. So Americans are WEIRD. Yes. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: 96% of behavioral science subjects at that time in psychology
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: were of the WEIRD type. Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But that... 96% as the sample only houses the populations
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that come from only 12% of the global population. So
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it's skewed in that way. And so that's a very
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: common factor in not only medicine, but also in psychology
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: as well. I remember that being quite a big thing.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: And we see now that, you know, I saw a wonderful,
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: what was it? Was it Vikings? Yes, I saw a
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: wonderful documentary on the Vikings. which interests me because the
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Vikings didn't keep written records. And so I think it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: very interesting to watch history of the Vikings when we
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: really don't know. And what the person brought up in
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: this BBC, probably Richard Hatchindale, you know, probably very, what
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: he brought up was Viking history was written by people
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: who hated them, basically. The French and, you know, and others,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: you know. And I maintain that up until very recently
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: and I would say up until the 60s or 70s,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: which is in my lifetime LGBTQIA history and issues that
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: pertain to LGBTQIA people were written interpreted and all of
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: it by people who were not LGBTQIA Very much like
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: having men write history on behalf of women, which, as
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: we know, they have. So it was very interesting to
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: me that in this article, they say the same thing,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: that the UN and all these other organizations that delve
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: into LGBTQ rights, they're run by cisgendered heterosexual people. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: so maybe it would be different if we got some
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: gays involved, just maybe. And that brings us to a
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: story from the Geneva Solutions that the UN Rights Council
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: can't address anti-gay laws without condemning their colonial roots. And
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I brought this up on the show previous because I
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: saw this black activist preaching to black people saying, you
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: all don't hate gays. Because blacks are seen as very anti-LGBTQIA.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: And so much so that if they are, they're called
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: on the down low. And what this guy was saying was,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: you have taken on the morals and values of your
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: colonial overlords, of the people who brought you into slavery,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: of the people who, you know, you took on the
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: morals of the white man, basically. And if you went
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: by your own morals in Africa, LGBTQ people prior to
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: the new regimes in Africa, we're talking back in the 16, 17,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: you know, 15, 16, 17, 1800s, they were not concerned
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: with gays. In fact, they had a word for them.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: They had a word for two-spirit people. They were in
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: their culture. They accepted them as part of the culture.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Maybe they didn't welcome them with open arms, but they
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: accepted them. And then when they were colonialized, suddenly they
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: were verboten. 52 of the 65 countries that criminalized consensual
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: same-sex intimacy inherited these laws from colonial rule. Yet a
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: proposed UN resolution on decriminalization omits that history. How very Trump.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Risking the false impression that gay rights are a Western imposition.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Isn't that interesting? I mean, that's pretty interesting. France has
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: proposed a resolution, although right now they're busy with riots
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: in their street. France has proposed a resolution at the
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: UN Human Rights Council calling for the universal decriminalization of
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: consensual same-sex conduct between adults. While the spirit is commendable,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: 141 LGBTQIA civil society organizations, including the one from Geneva Solutions,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: working in over 40 criminalizing countries have raised concerns about
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: its risk. They warn that the initiative is the wrong
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: strategy and risk fueling misinformation that gay people's rights are
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: a foreign agenda imposed by the West on Africa, Asia, Pacific,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: and the Caribbean. That is very interesting. They don't want
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: gay rights to be seen as a Western export because
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: of people's disdain for the West.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Right, so there is an anti-Western wave, and the current West,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: more aligned with universal standards of rights, of human rights,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: is endorsing LGBTQI, etc., Older colonial versions of it, particularly
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: under the hand of Christianity, various versions of primarily Catholicism,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: it was not that. And that's the kind that they inherited.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And so that report is speaking to older forms of
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: colonial Christian European heritage as opposed to the contemporary form,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: which is more aligned with international standards. And it shows
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: up in the rankings on the societies, too.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: And what I find very interesting is even here in
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: the article, it just flat out says, homophobia is a
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: colonial legacy. It just is. And we can thank Great
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Britain for that. We can thank France, Germany, and all
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: of them for homophobia. They basically invented it. And they
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: invented it out of their staunch Christian and Lutheran beliefs.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. We always talk about the hatred
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: of political opponents at Donald Trump. Oh, wait, we'll be
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  Speaker 5: right back. Don't go anywhere unless there's a bomb.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's your turn.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: All right, we are back with This Gay Week. Scott
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Jacobson during the break literally checking his phone to see
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: where the bombs are falling. Just the surreal world in
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: which we live. But we were talking about colonialism and
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Muslim countries. Donald Trump very famously this week said... Gays
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: for Palestine. Who knew? I can't imitate him and I won't.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Gays for Palestine. He goes, well, why don't we send
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: them over there to negotiate and see how far that
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: goes and let them get killed, basically. Not only did
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: he want Los Angeles and San Diego to be wiped out,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: he wanted gay people to go to Palestine so they
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: could be killed. And of course, I maintain as a
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: gay man, I do not, how do I say this?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: The ability of a society to survive is not linked
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: to acceptance of my sexuality. I don't want to wipe
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: out every society on the planet that does not approve
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: of gay people, because if so, it would be a
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: very lonely planet, which is a sad statement, but true.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: But I bring this up because the Muslim homophobia is,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: from Muslim countries only increased and got to a fever
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: pitch when the colonial homophobia went into overdrive. Prior to
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: all of it, back in days of old, 500, 600, 700, 800,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: who cared from gay? They had other things to worry about,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: like plague, which we now have to worry about again,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: thanks to Russia. But they didn't really care And then
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: colonialism happened, and they cared. So we can really attribute
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: modern-day homophobia to the religious-based colonizers. And we've got to
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: remember that the religious-based colonizers were a group of zealots
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: so extreme they were kicked out of their own country. So,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: you know, there's that. So I do think it's time
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: that colonial role and homophobia be addressed. I'm glad those
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: people were addressing it. All right. Where should we go next?
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Do you want to pick the story next?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Did we cover... Yeah, so Timothy Patrick McCarthy at Harvard
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Kennedy School, the Carl Ryan Center for Human Rights. And Timothy,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I have interviewed, I think, at least a couple of times,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: honored Robert Coles, someone who I was not familiar with before,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: as a transformative teacher and mentor whose literature course connected
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: intellectual inquiry with compassion and service. Recall Cole's storytelling, civil
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: rights engagement, and personal influence. He was urging readers, listeners,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to carry forward his legacy through moral reflection and meaningful
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: responsibility toward other people. So I just thought it was
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: a nice, positive story to someone who always had a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: great impact on someone who has been very important, at
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: least to Harvard. to some of the equality movements.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Well, and the nice thing about Bob Cole was that
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: he would inspire people to make their own judgments by reading,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: heaven forbid. But he always insisted that his classes read
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: a wide variety of things on both sides, from evangelical
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: all the way down the line. so they could get
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: a more meaningful grasp. He wasn't just a pro-gay evangelist.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: He challenged people to go out and look at all
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: the points of view and then draft their own opinions
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: from what they read because he was of the mind
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: that the more you read and the more you knew,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the less homophobia you would have. and of course he's right. Very,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: very educated people are not bigots for the most part.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: For the most part. There are exceptions, but for the
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: most part. And, you know, we all have our mentors
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: as gay people. We all have our mentors. And while
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: this author remembered Mr. Cole, Dr. Cole, I'm sorry, Dr. Cole,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: while he remembered that, Reading this story reminded me of
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: when I was in high school and went to cover
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Harvey Milk speaking at a local school about the Briggs
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Initiative and doing a debate. And I saw Harvey on
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: stage being out and proud and articulate and holding his own.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: And I thought to myself, well, that's me. That's what
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I have to be right there. That's me. And from
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: that moment on, this is what you got. Because of Harvey. Milk, basically.
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  Speaker 2: Showtime is here. No time to fear. Corral is so
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  Speaker 2: Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 5: All right, we are back. Scott, you've got 20 more
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: minutes before you can go run in the bathroom and hide.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: We're talking about Professor Coles and this article from Harvard.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: by Timothy Patrick McCarthy, the faculty chair of Global LGBTQIA
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Human Rights Program. He says something really interesting that I just,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: it's not even about being gay. He said, Dr. Coles
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: became an ancestor on June 4th, 2026. That is a
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: very interesting way of saying he died. He became an ancestor. And,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: you know, I think we might live a little more
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: responsibly if we realize we too one day will be
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: the ancestors that they talk about, that they look back upon.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: You one day will be, and all of your writings
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: will be an ancestor, someone that people read, look up to, emulate,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: get inspired by, or hate, depending upon who they are.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: All of the above. Or all of the above. So
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: that was a very interesting.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: The wrong people hate me, which means I did the
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: right thing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right. I always say that. It's the haters
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: that let me know I'm doing my job properly. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: that was a great story. And he is a great person.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: And if you don't know who Dr. Cole is, please
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: go look him up. He wasn't a superhero. He was
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: just a teacher. But as just a teacher, he inspired
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: so many people to expand their minds and read the
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: works of people like Baldwin and, oh, everybody, just everybody.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I'll never forget when I read In Cold Blood by
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Truman Capote, or as Truman said it, Truman Capote. His
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: only best-selling novel, by the way, he's thought of as
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: such a great writer, but that was his biggest and
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: brightest novel.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: All his writers were unknown.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Until they died. What did Betty Davis say? Well, there's
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: so many famous lines in All About Eve when she's
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: arguing with her playwright husband, who in real life was
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: her real husband, He said something about, you know, that's
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: like the piano telling the composer how to write the concerto.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: And she said, well, most composers are dead. And he
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: said something about playwrights. And she said, all playwrights should
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: be dead for 100 years before their work is performed.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Fabulous line.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: If you've never seen All About Eve, do yourself a favor.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: It's gay classic. 101. It's Betty Davis. It's Marilyn Monroe.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: It's the movie that gave us Fasten Your Seatbelts. It's
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: going to be a bumpy night. And I could quote
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: so many quotes Marilyn Monroe comes up to her and
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: asks for honey for her daiquiri. And she looks, Betty
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Davis looks at her because she's jealous of her because
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: she's so beautiful. And she says, we're all little bees
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: full of sting making honey, aren't we, honey? And then
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: she turns to the theater critic.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Good line.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: And then she turns to the theater critic, Addison DeWitt,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: who looks at her and says, you're maudlin and full
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: of self-pity. You're magnificent.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Trust in high school i wrote plays and was in
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: theater that's really good oh and there's a.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Great where eve addison makes eve who is benny davis's
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: understudy and suddenly she becomes the star because eve magically
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: can't make a performance that all of theater critics are
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: at because addison told them to be there and he
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: goes backstage to get his pound of flesh from eve
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: for making her famous And she senses it. And of course,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Addison is gay and real. You could tell he's gay,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: but in the movie, he's supposed to be a womanizer.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: And so Eve gets up to throw him out of
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: the room and she opens the door and says, get out.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: And he walks up and he closes the door and
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: he says, you're far too short for that gesture. These
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: are good. These are little.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: It sounds like it's a movie of quips.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: That's what it is.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Lots and lots of quips.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Every single line in the movie is repeatable. And it's
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: funny that we're talking about this on This Gay Week
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: because there was a time in culture, even in my youth,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: where that's how gay men... People wonder, why do gay
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: men glom on to so many movies like The Wizard
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: of Oz, All About Eve? Back in the 50s, in
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: the 40s, and the 60s, you couldn't just come out
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: and say, I'm gay. And you tried to be as
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: closeted as you could. So the only way you could
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: let someone know that you were gay was to quote
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: movie lines from movies that were steeped in gay culture.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: That's where the term Friend of Dorothy, gays used to
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: be called Friends of Dorothy. And why do you suppose
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: that is?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Wizard of Oz?
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: The Wizard of Oz. Because gays loved the Wizard of Oz.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: And so they said, and Judy Garland. Well, Judy Garland.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: You know, they loved Judy Garland. And so she was
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: our Barbra Streisand. She was our, you know, I don't
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: know who today, Taylor Swift, Christina, whatever. She was our
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: gay icon. And so if you quoted Judy Garland, you
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: were a friend of Dorothy, which means... you were letting
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: people know that you were gay. So famous movie lines,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: like from Betty Davis, Fasten Your Seatbelts, these movie lines
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: were a way of letting others know that you were
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: gay without coming out and saying, I'm gay. So if
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: they heard you quote The Wizard of Oz, if they
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: heard you quote All About Eve, and I could go
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: down the list of other famous movies that gays glommed onto,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: then they knew that, you know, that you were a
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: friend of Dorothy. like Marilyn Monroe in How to Marry
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: a Millionaire. You want to marry him for my money,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: or you want to marry him for his money. And
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Marilyn looks at the father and goes, no, I want
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: to marry him for your money. And he goes, how
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: dare you? And he goes, how dare you? And she says, why?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Marrying a man who's rich is like marrying a woman
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: who's pretty. You wouldn't marry a woman just because she's pretty,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: but it certainly does help. And you wouldn't marry a
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: man just because he's rich, but it certainly does help.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: And I know that line because people in my community...
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: repeated them over and over again in the gay bars.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: That's where I grew up hearing them. It was in
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: the gay bars. And then I would go out and
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: watch the films. So there's a very big history of
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: gay men and movies and how we identified to each other.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: And that was one of the ways that we identified
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: to each other, was saying quotes from movies that gay
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: men loved and adored, and from stars like Judy Garland.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: You know, Judy Garland's funeral... was the night before the
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: morning of the Stonewall riots. And many credit that as
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: part of the reason the riots happened. That the queers
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: were there at the Stonewall watching Judy's funeral on TV.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: And they were distraught. You know, their icon was dead
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: way too early. And later that night, when the raid happened,
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: the Queens had just had enough. Judy was dead, the
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Vietnam War was raging, there was all this homophobia, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: then the police, who normally gave them a heads up.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you know the whole story of Stonewall,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: which wasn't a gay bar, by the way, because there
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: were no gay bars. But the Stonewall Inn was protected
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: by the mob. And the way that it was protected,
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: because it was a mob-run bar, and it was for
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: derelicts and degenerates, meaning gays, heroin addicts, hookers, all of that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: And The Stonewall Inn was often called prior to a
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: raid by a cop on the payroll and said, hey,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: get all the gays out the back door because there's
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: going to be a raid. Well, that night, the cops
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: didn't make the call. And so the bar didn't know
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: the raid was happening. And so it got ugly. And
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: they were already on edge from Judy Garland's funeral. And
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: so I'm not saying that her funeral was the reason
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: for the riot, but it was one of the things
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: that were weighing heavily on the community's mind that night.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Because it happened the next morning. June 28th was the
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: funeral and the morning of June 29th was the riot.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Just in case you didn't know. Now, this is something
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: you and I have talked about a lot. And we
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: came to our own conclusion without this Geneva Solutions article.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: I believe that you said this very thing, which is
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: that authoritarian populists are what's fueling the tide of anti-gay
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: laws for votes. And you made that point very succinctly
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: on a few shows, which is they want to win elections.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: It's easy to pander to people who hate. And one
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: of the biggest and easiest groups to hate are gay people.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: So they do it not because they really believe it,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: but they do it for votes. Yes. And I mean,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: the article goes on to explain why, but I think
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: you explained it perfectly on this show.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you want an easy scapegoat for those
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: who have fewer protections in society and less likely to
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: have equal status under law or policy otherwise, target them.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: demonize them, simply for who they make love to and
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: who they love, and then get some votes, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: cash it in. I mean, the debt and the interest
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: on that debt is paid in the livelihoods of those
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: in the queer community, the gay community, but if you've
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: already won the vote, then you're in charge anyway, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: who gives a shit?
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, in our country, we talk about the
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: inequality in our justice system for blacks and how there
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: are more blacks in jail than there are in prison.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: That statistic is no longer true. I'm sorry, there are
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: more blacks in jail than there are in college. That
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: is no longer a true statistic, but it was at
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: one point in the last decade. And they asked this gentleman,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: what are the main risks that the LGBTQ population faces
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: in detention and what are the underlying factors? He said
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: there are two elements. The first is why are gay
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: people disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system. One example
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: is barrier to education. Very often, experiences at school, bullying
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: lead to poor results or even dropping out. Stigma, discrimination
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: mean that gay people, for a range of reasons, are
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: excluded from certain forms of employment and find themselves on
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: the margins socially and economically, and then very often are
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: pushed into a gray area of informal quasi-legal employment because
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: they cannot get regular employment.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Employment refugees within their own country.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right. That's exactly right. They can't legally work
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: in some jobs. They're literally restricted by law. So what
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: do they say? It's like immigration in this country.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I'd even be less concerned about that if I
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: was in that condition. I would be more concerned about
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: just the cultural and normative pressure against someone even being
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: and then working in a particular....
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: And they say there's been a rise in criminalizing laws,
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: particularly in African countries. Why do you think that is?
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: And this author, the person being interviewed, says colonialism, that
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: these laws are left over from the colonialism. And again,
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: the authoritarian leaders in these countries use those colonial laws
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: to get votes now.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Colonial history is on the colonial history. The active use
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: of those by certain leaders is on those leaders. The
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: encouragement and financial backing of those regimes and those policymakers
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: in those countries. and legislators from foreign investors, let's call them,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: are primarily, as we've noted earlier, from a lot of
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: evangelical groups, maybe some hardline Catholic groups in the United States.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: There's other areas, obviously, because international hard right movement, religious movement,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: But the wealthy societies are the ones that can have
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: the money to actually send it abroad. And the United
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: States is still the biggest economy.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: No matter how Trump tries to destroy it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Society, because even though you've scared away a lot of
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: brilliant people who create whole industries, there are still some
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: people who stay in the country and create whole industries.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Or the industries that are already established. Nvidia, SpaceX, etc.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we do have some techies here. But of course,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: Ireland is trying to steal our tech culture, which I love.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: And we have a story out of Ireland where they
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: had a conference to talk about the challenges faced by
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: LGBTQ people in education and queer youth in Ireland. I
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: applaud Ireland. I may move there. I've seriously been looking
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: at Ireland as a place to go. I love one
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: of the quotes. Sinan Aski, a member of the DCU
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: Anti-Bullying Center, stated, one idea that kept coming back is
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: that belonging isn't only created in the classroom. It lives
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: in the corridors, the library, the spaces where students pause
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: between lessons, the relationships they build, and in those small
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: moments when a young person feels that they are seen
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: and that they matter. I cannot tell you, as someone
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: who was a gay youth out and open in 1976, 77, 78, 79,
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: and 80, especially in high school, I cannot tell you
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: how true that is. No matter how safe they tried
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: to make me in the classroom, and they did. I mean,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: it was the late 70s, but they tried. No matter
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: how safe they tried to make me, it wasn't the
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: classroom that I worried about. It was the hallways. It
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: was the gym locker rooms. It was, you know, it
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: was the spaces in between. That's what I worried about
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: the most. So I think it's great that Ireland is
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: addressing and focusing on that, that it's not just about
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: what the teachers do in the classroom or how safe
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: and included they make the students feel there, but also
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: out in the corridors and everywhere else. We'll finish up
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: right after this. Don't go anywhere.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Bravo, Ireland.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Patreon is the way.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Now remember, the word is F-U-N-K, funk, honey. Do you
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: wanna funk?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Do you wanna funk, baby?
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: Hey, it's Carell. Go stream Do You Wanna Funk? My
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: tribute to Sylvester. Everywhere you get your music. Carell, do
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: you wanna funk?
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Now it's showtime.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, and Eve, darling, I wouldn't worry about where you
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: can put that theater award you won for playing my part.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: You can put it in that space that was occupied
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: by your heart.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's good. That's good. That's good.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: Back to Ireland. They said their goal was to drive positive, empathetic,
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: and inspiring conversations about how everyone in a school community,
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: from students, teachers, to parents, can play a role in
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: shaping LGBTQIA inclusive schools. They touch on the biggest thing.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what teachers do. It doesn't matter what
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: students do in the hallway. The most important way that
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: you can make an LGBTQIA friendly school is to make
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: sure that the fucking parents... are LGBTQIA inclusive. Because homophobic
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: children come from homophobic parents. They learn it at home.
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: They don't learn it on their own. It doesn't just
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: come out of a vacuum. Hateful students have hateful parents.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: It's just that simple.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the scaling is definitely because they spend more time
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: with their parents or around them. So it's going to
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: be learning in the home. It's going to be reinforced
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: in community and schools.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: But it starts at school. I mean, at home. It
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: starts at home. By the way, what are the students
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: rallying about in France? Do you know? I don't know.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: One kid just got his hand blown off.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Dilapidated schooling, poor standards, not enough teachers, and now they've
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: expanded already to Belgium as well. So it's a big problem.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: Good for them. See, I love students who are willing
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: to shut down the schools and go out in the streets.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: I don't like that one of their hands got blown off,
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: but You know, I really.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: That was a stun grenade. That was a stun grenade, yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: And now they're not going to use them. And isn't
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: that great? The police saw what happened.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: He was 15 years old.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the police saw what happened and feel so
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: badly about it that they've said, stop using them altogether.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: Here in America, we'd double down on it. We'd be like, ah, no,
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: fuck them. They shouldn't be out there.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you have larger problems that are more
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: pervasive than just that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: So there was a... Well, let's go back to Turkey.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Turkey.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know why, let's talk Turkey, where they are
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: cracking down on gays. What's wrong?
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Chicken?
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I prefer duck. I'm a vegan, so neither.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: That's right. They're both appalling to me. The Turkish court
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: has shut down the independent news agency T24 simply because
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: it was reporting on the gay crackdown. They say that's
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: LGBTQIA propaganda. reporting on how badly the gays are being treated.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: So T24, yeah. Yes, we have heard that language before.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: But an Istanbul court has shut down an independent news
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: website and its social media accounts over content prosecutors described
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: as gay propaganda, marking a significant escalation and a week-long
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: crackdown on gay rights, activists, journalists, and online platforms across Turkey.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: I think we can end with this because it goes
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: right back to that story we talked about how authoritarian leaders...
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: are using antiquated laws to get votes and to curry favor.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: And that's all this is. There's no reason for Turkey
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: to be doing this to their gay community. It's not
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: that big, first of all. And second of all, it
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: poses no threat to them whatsoever. In fact, it's good
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: for tourism. Gays used to love to go to Turkey.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: But now, you know, it's hurting their tourism. It's persecuting
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: people who are Turkish, who were born there. They're Turkish. And,
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: you know, it's persecuting their own people over nothing, you know.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: And how independent is a news agency if it gets
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: shut down by the state for something they don't like?
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Then it's not an independent news agency, is it?
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not the fact that it's not an independent
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: or independent news agency. It's that they shut it down.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: It's not a news agency anymore. It doesn't exist.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: Right. Simply because they reported to their two million followers
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: on X that and their YouTube channel, which has 280,000 subscribers,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: an Instagram account with 238,000, they said they did not
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: get any outside funding to promote gay people, and says
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: repeated government tax audits have found no evidence that they
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: got outside funding that was funneled to them through gay
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: people or gay organizations or gay-friendly organizations, and yet that's
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: why they were shut down, because... The judge said that
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: he agreed with the prosecutors that they were getting funding
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: that was specifically earmarked to promote gay issues, and they
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: were not, in fact, getting funding. But the truth doesn't
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: matter because they're trying to crack down on the gays.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: No, they are engaged in an active cultural information war.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: And part of that comes with the guise of LGBT propaganda.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: because they see it as against a family.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: Look, they're going after ABC for Jimmy Kimmel. A judge
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: this morning just smacked the FCC and said he tends
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: to agree with the defense that what they're doing to
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: ABC is unjust, wanting to renew their licenses early and
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: everything because of what Jimmy Kimmel said about the president.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: CNN just got purchased.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they just got purchased by Larry and David Ellison,
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: best friends of the president, who own everything now, Skydance,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: which is European-based. But Skydance now owns CNN and HBO
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: is going to be folded into Paramount. HBO, which is
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: very gay friendly in terms of their programming, will probably
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: see that vanish. And so, I mean, I'd like to
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: say that media is in a great shape here, but
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: it's not. And so we're not as bad as Turkey yet,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: but I will say that I don't see very many
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: pro-gay stories in our news. I really, you know, I
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: just don't.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I can twist that current sentiment you're expressing around
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: a little bit. As for the French protest, expanding into
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Belgian protest examples of very young people, teenagers, they're sick
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: of old people's bullshit. They're really not tolerating all this.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: And so a lot of change, I think, is going
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: to be coming Bottom up.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: Well, there's a great editorial at LGBTQ Nation that says
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: it's time to... stop fighting each other and remember why
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: queer media exists at all. I think everyone should read
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: that because we are fighting amongst ourselves now. There are
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: gays who are trying to separate themselves from trans. There
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: are gays that don't like the older effeminate gays and
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: now they want more butch younger gays. I mean, we're fracturing.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: and some of them are condemning gay media. And these queens,
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: these young queers, have no sense of history and don't
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: realize that it was Julius Caesar that used the divide
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: and conquer strategy. And that's exactly what the right is
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: trying to do with the gay community in America, because
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: the more fractured you are, the less power you have.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: All right, Scott, take care of yourself over there. Stay
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: away from ballistic missiles, please. One a day will just
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: ruin your whole day. So don't, you know, don't encounter one.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: They've got the National Academy of Sciences here. I'll send
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: some pictures a little over with you.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: That's just bad. That's just bad. I am Karel. Be
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: who you want to be. This one doesn't hurt anybody.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: Everyone wish Scott well over in Ukraine. He's been an
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: active war governor as long as they've been at his feet.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: So everybody please wish him well. You'll be in my thoughts.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: Email me throughout the week to let me know that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: you're alive and well and have made it. By the way,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to stop it right there. I know
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: dead in the middle of the end of the show,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: but I wanted to give you a piece of good news.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: LGBTQ media in America, readership has gone up, up, up, up, up, up, up.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: What is that? Oh, dear God. What is that? Let
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: me wait. Let me make you big here.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: That is a UAV that landed into an apartment complex.
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  Speaker 5: Just now?
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  Speaker 3: It would appear as being an apartment complex.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: So people could have died.
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  Speaker 3: At least injured. Yeah. There it is. That looks like
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  Speaker 3: a residential building to me.
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  Speaker 5: It does to me too, yeah. It absolutely does. You know,
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  Speaker 5: we gotta... I was about to say something stupid, but
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  Speaker 5: this war has to end. It must stop. This is just...
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  Speaker 5: It must stop. Putin's beginning to be like Netanyahu. It
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  Speaker 5: seems like he will not be happy until Ukraine is
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  Speaker 5: in rubble.
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  Speaker 3: Four were injured. 22 others were rescued as a result
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  Speaker 3: of Russia's shelling. It was residential 10th floor of a
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  Speaker 3: 12-story building.
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  Speaker 5: It's just got to stop. I don't know how it's
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  Speaker 5: going to stop. I don't. We won't intervene. Is the.
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  Speaker 3: Food's birthday today or tomorrow?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, dear God. Today.
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  Speaker 3: 74 years old.
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  Speaker 5: So what are you doing for your birthday? I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to bomb Ukraine. You can.
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  Speaker 3: True. Several children were killed. That was already pointed out today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to stop this war. I wish the
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  Speaker 5: United States had a leader that was more adamant about
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  Speaker 5: stopping the war. Hopefully, after the midterms, our Congress will
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  Speaker 5: be more adamant about stopping the war and more supportive
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  Speaker 5: of Ukraine. We just sent Israel $ 2. 8 billion. I'd rather
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  Speaker 5: send that money to Ukraine. I'd rather help Ukraine I
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  Speaker 5: don't like to spend money on other people's wars, but
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  Speaker 5: I would very much like Ukraine to win this battle.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't even know what winning looks like. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you're there. What does winning look like now? Not giving
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  Speaker 5: up the land that they've taken? I mean, what does
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  Speaker 5: winning look like?
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  Speaker 3: What winning looks like? That is a fundamental question that's
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  Speaker 3: probably been asked since the beginning of the full-scale invasion,
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  Speaker 3: probably earlier to the beginning of the war in 2014.
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  Speaker 3: the key question of what the war looks like. The
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  Speaker 3: answer is something only that the victims of the war
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  Speaker 3: can answer appropriately. I, you know, I think Putin's not
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  Speaker 3: going to budge because he thinks he'll look weak.
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  Speaker 5: And I think Zelensky's not going to budge because I
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  Speaker 5: don't think he wants to give up the territory that
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  Speaker 5: they've gained. The Donbass region, is that the.
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  Speaker 3: Name of it? You have to be very careful. So
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  Speaker 3: I did an interview with Alexander Matveichuk, the founder of
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  Speaker 3: Center for Civil Liberties. So they won the only Nobel
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  Speaker 3: Peace Prize that Ukraine has. And so we sat down
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  Speaker 3: for coffee and did a couple of interviews. One thing
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  Speaker 3: she pointed out that was very important is we talk
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  Speaker 3: about territory and giving up territory, concessions around territory, etc.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just territory, it's people.
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  Speaker 5: Well, right. I always say that in this country. When
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  Speaker 5: I talk about policy, I say policy is not something
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  Speaker 5: that's just politics. It's people. Policy is people. When you
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  Speaker 5: talk about a policy, you are talking about people who
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  Speaker 5: are affected by that policy. And it's the same thing there.
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  Speaker 5: You're right. It's not just this. I have a very
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  Speaker 5: large map on the wall here. It takes up the
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  Speaker 5: entire wall. It's an old map with old borders, but
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  Speaker 5: Ukraine and the territory isn't just a spot on that map.
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  Speaker 5: There's people on every square inch of that. If you're
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  Speaker 5: ceding or giving up, you're not giving up geography. You're
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  Speaker 5: giving up people. It's rough. I want the war to end.
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  Speaker 5: If it were my world and I were the leader
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  Speaker 5: of it, it would end tomorrow. I would tell Putin,
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  Speaker 5: sit down, shut up, or I'll blow up St. Petersburg.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you'd probably start your first day of world governance
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  Speaker 3: with a marathon of The Wizard of Oz, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 5: You know, more people could be helped if they just realized...
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  Speaker 5: We're going to start with Judy Garland.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Pause at every great quote.
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  Speaker 5: If they just realized the man behind the curtain, read
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  Speaker 5: Vladimir Putin, has no power. If they just... There's life
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  Speaker 5: lessons in The Wizard of Oz.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you'd probably have it on the White House lawn.
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  Speaker 3: You'd construct like a big giant closet theater. And so
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  Speaker 3: that every time you finished the Wizard of Oz in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: your Wizard of Oz annual marathons, you could officially say,
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  Speaker 3: we're all coming out of the closet together.
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  Speaker 5: Come out, come out wherever you are. Oh, the munchkins
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  Speaker 5: were mean, vicious little things. They were little drunks. No
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  Speaker 5: one went by their hotel. They were vicious little mean drunks.
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  Speaker 5: I know everything about that film. The sulfur used on
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  Speaker 5: the set gave Glinda the Good Witch a horrible skin infection.
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  Speaker 5: The green paint they used for the Wicked Witch, the green,
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  Speaker 5: she suffered terribly because of. Judy Garland's dresses were two
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  Speaker 5: sizes too small on purpose to make her look like
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  Speaker 5: a youth and they strapped her in and they tied
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  Speaker 5: down her boobs because she had them at this time.
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  Speaker 5: The Tin Man's makeup later on, I believe, gave him
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  Speaker 5: cancer or something like that. The silver that they used
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  Speaker 5: on his face. Oh, there's so much. The only people
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  Speaker 5: that got out of it good were the horses. The
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  Speaker 5: dye that they used for the horses to make the
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  Speaker 5: horse of a different color and all the other colored
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  Speaker 5: horses was Jell-O. So that was non-toxic. But there was
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  Speaker 5: so much toxicity on that set. There was, oh, there
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  Speaker 5: were drunk little munchkins. There were, I mean, they used
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  Speaker 5: to go and try to get under the skirt of
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  Speaker 5: the good witch and all this other stuff. Of course.
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  Speaker 5: Appropriately inappropriate. Yeah, no, there was so much, and there
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  Speaker 5: was so much symbolism. The flying monkeys were deemed racist
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  Speaker 5: at the time. They equated them to black people. You know,
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  Speaker 5: so there was, the Wizard of Oz has a lot of,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: has a lot of issues, not just LGBTQ issues, but
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  Speaker 5: a lot of issues in it. But of course, let's remember,
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  Speaker 5: you have probably not seen that movie more than once,
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  Speaker 5: and you still know the phrase, I don't think we're
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: in Kansas anymore. So even a.
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  Speaker 3: Hundred years- I'm not in Kansas anymore.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're not. Even almost a hundred years after that
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  Speaker 5: film was made, it was literally made about 80 years ago,
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  Speaker 5: we're still quoting it, which is a testament to the
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  Speaker 5: power of film. particularly when it holds well right now
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: at the Sphere when Metallica Metallica's there but when they
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: leave it goes back to the Wizard of Oz movie
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  Speaker 5: and they're charging $ 125 to see the Wizard of Oz
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: at the Sphere And they edited 80 minutes out of it.
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  Speaker 5: Or I'm sorry, 60 minutes have been edited from the movie.
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  Speaker 5: But when you watch it, flying monkeys come across the theater,
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  Speaker 5: apples fall from the trees, snowflakes fall in the sphere,
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  Speaker 5: and it's on the entire huge screen. So it's quite
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: a thing. I am gay, but I have not gone
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  Speaker 5: to see it yet. I know I might have to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: turn in my gay card. but I just used to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: watch it every year at Easter on television, so why
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  Speaker 5: would I pay $ 125 to see a movie I've seen
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  Speaker 5: probably 54 times? I won't. Anyway, okay. Just a lovely conversation, though.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing those images of decimated apartment complexes.
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  Speaker 5: Try not to find yourself in one, okay? Do me
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  Speaker 5: that favor. Try not to find yourself in one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No promises.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. All right, I am Carell. That's Scott. Be who
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