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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP30 - An Introduction To The Goddess Sigyn · Random Heathen Ramblings

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This, this, this week, ladies and gentlemen.
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Boy, I tell you, it's been been a while since I've remembered a
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safe out there. So we got a fun episode I think
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today and and here's kind of a funny preface to do that before
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we get into the topic. I this is the second time that
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I've shot this episode or I filmed this episode because the
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first time that I filmed it, I went to go into post production
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and start working on, you know, getting the everything spliced
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up and and edited how I like it to get ready to release today.
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And I start listening to the video because that's what I do.
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I listen through it. I don't, you know, and I didn't
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hear anything. All right?
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I heard like background music, like you hear kind of, you know,
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softly in the background here. But I was watching my mouth move
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and there was nothing coming out of it.
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And I'm like, well, let me refresh or something.
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And then I realized that at one point during the episode, I
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looked at my streaming or my recording software and it was
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muted, My microphone was muted and I and it was like 30 minutes
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of the episode that I had nothing coming out of my mouth,
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like I was talking but you wouldn't have been able to hear
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it. And then I caught it cuz I
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looked over and I saw like I had a slash through my microphone
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and I said, Oh no, maybe I just cuz I thought I maybe had like
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bumped it and it was, you know, a few seconds.
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So I like backed up my sentence and and realized that after the
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fact that, you know, a whole hour's worth of the episode was
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only half audible or, you know, you can only hear half of it.
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So I had to scratch that file and say start over.
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So that's kind of funny. But the, you know, in a way like
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you think about why things happen.
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You know, there's a reason that way things happen at least the
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way a lot of times that way. I look at things as you know,
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there's a reason behind stuff. And that was not an episode that
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as much as I thought it was, was well put together, you know,
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just it wouldn't, wouldn't what it was supposed to be.
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So hopefully this one is better and you guys enjoy it because
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today's episode is another viewer request and this comes to
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the podcast via way of our hotline, the midworm music's
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hotline, the phone number that I encourage everybody to call if
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you have thoughts or ideas. And this request, it was a bit
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of a drawn out one. We're gonna hear a little bit
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today from this person who calls in or who called in last week
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because when you leave a voicemail on the hotline, like
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you've got 3 minutes to to to say what you want to say and
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then it'll cut off. So if you want to say more,
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you've got to call back in and finish what you were saying and
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leave another voicemail. Well, this, this individual, she
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called back four times and left four different voicemails.
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So we've got, you know, about 12 minutes worth of of a of a
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voicemail to listen to or I did. We're not going to listen to all
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of it. We're going to listen to about
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half or so I'd say, because like I'd say maybe the first half
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was, there's just, you know, whenever you guys and I don't
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want to make sure that I say this now, whenever when I say,
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you know, please call in and stuff, I'm always eager to put
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your voice on the air and unless you tell me otherwise, right.
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So if you call in and you say, look, this is just for you, you
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can use this topic for your content if you want, but please
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don't put my voice on the air, you know, and I'll respect that
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and I won't, But I'm going to assume that if you call in that
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it, then it's going to be okay for me to put your voice on the
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air. However, I do always prescreen
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the the voicemails that you leave just to make sure that
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there's nothing on there that could be potentially revealing
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of information, whether personal or otherwise, that could be
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potentially harmful if it got into the ears or out here on the
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Internet. So I always want you guys to
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know that if you call in, even if you don't say you know, don't
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put this recording out. If you don't do that, I will
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always prescreen the recordings of the voicemail and make sure
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that there's nothing that is shared on the voicemail that
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could you in harm's way or anyone else in harm's way.
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And so you know, with an interest of that I there's
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there's going to be some topics that come up here that we're
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going to be listening to today. And I want to just give all of
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our listeners and viewers a trigger warning because we're
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going to be hearing some things about trauma, PTSD and and
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topics that are going to circulate around like human
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trafficking, okay. So fair warning, trigger
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warning, right. I want you guys to be aware that
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what we're going to be hearing today is contain some topic
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subject matter on that topic. And for that reason I did not
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want to play all 12 minutes of this recording because it
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contains A person's name and it also contains, you know,
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information of of of a workplace.
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So with that being said, we're going to refrain from using this
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person's name that they left on their voicemail and call them by
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the name of the topic of today's video.
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Now this person she calls in and we're about to hear some of what
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she has to say, but it's on the topic of Sigan.
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Sigan is one of the goddess dimension in the lore in the
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Norse mythology and she is the wife of Loki.
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Some of you that have been even and and maybe Pagan for any
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length of time know the story of Loki and and and how Sigan is a
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part of the story. There's not a lot of information
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in the myth about her, but before we we talk more about the
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story, I do want to take the time to play this half of the
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voicemail. So again, for the sake of
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keeping people's identity safe and you know, the topic at hand
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and making sure that everyone stays safe, we're going to call
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her Sigan. So Sigan calls in to the podcast
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last week and left a really heartfelt, you know, message or
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messages. So go ahead and you know, listen
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to that recording here. Let me get the file pulled up
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here. And we're going to listen to see
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what Sigan has to say. Let's see here 1-2 and three.
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All right, so here we go. By the way, this is the the
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third of four recordings. I didn't.
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I'm not including the first two because again, don't want to
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reveal information that could put someone in harm's way.
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So anyway, here we go. This is the third okay.
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So yeah. So thank you tons and millions
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and you're welcome. I really do appreciate it too
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and my okay. So I do have a question and.
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And the question is, you know, it's about trauma.
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I spoke, I'm 34 and when I was at 15, I was basically human
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trafficked. And it wasn't like a sexual
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thing. It was.
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I was, I was forced to be forced labor.
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And then, I mean, it was sexual things.
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With one person who was 36 when I was 13, let me just say real
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quick, guys, again, you know, I gave the trigger warning.
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You know, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that people, first
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of all, have to endure things like this.
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You know, innocent people have to endure things like this in
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their lives and that this is even a thing and a very recent
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thing. You know, you hear about stuff
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like what is mentioning and it's like you would think that that
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is a long, long time ago. That doesn't happen anymore.
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It does happen. It happens still.
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I'm very sorry for what happened.
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So let's hear. Some more basically, I found
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evenly when I was 18, about 17 I'd say, and I escaped that
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situation. Got with my high school low,
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which was who I'm with right now.
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Married 13 years and we're both eating and pretty much my
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question is about, so I just, I don't know.
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I want to see more content on her.
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You know it. I have a lot I could say on on
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this. Subject I.
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I don't even know what my question is.
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It's so crazy. Like it's just like feeling part
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of the words. And I have a I have a hard time
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thinking of her and like, disconnecting her for myself,
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like my own personal experiences.
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But she's basically the only one.
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I've ever like, like, honored. I mean, all honor, all the gods.
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What I'm saying is she's the only one that's ever, like, not
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spoken to me, but like, I don't know how to explain it.
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But yeah, I would say resonate. You know that's a goddess that
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resonates with you, that is important to you because of the
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things that you've gone through now.
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Venerating multiple deities, right?
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Being a polytheist, as as as most heathens are obviously
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believing in venerating multiple gods and goddesses doesn't
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necessarily mean that you know you, you venerate all the gods
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all of the time at the same time, you know that goes into
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Hearth cult which we talked about on this podcast, you know,
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previous episodes. But it's okay to have a matron
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or patron deity, and sounds like Sigin is your matron deity.
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Yeah, I've taken a lot from her and I've just been nonstop.
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Victorious, I guess is, I mean, just my journey alone, my health
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journey, my my story. Me being an advocate for
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domestic violence and human trafficking and just how
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fearless I am and my devotion and my courage and everything.
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Like all these things that I value in myself and that took a
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long time to. You know, get to.
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I kind of feel like that was the first of the of the of the, the
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12, let's see 6 minutes. So the first half of 6 minutes.
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And I want to say before we go into this next segment of the
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recording, that fearlessness, right, devotion, dedication,
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things like that. These are going to be things
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that when we talk about Sigan the goddess, we are going to
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hear examples of that. And I'm excited to talk more
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about that. And I'm also excited to speak on
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a deity who does not get a lot of media coverage, if you want
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to call it that, right. Like if you were to go on Google
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and and and search for information about singing,
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you're going to find just a couple of scaldic poems where
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she's referenced maybe a couple of YouTube videos where she's
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talked about in any great length or detail.
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But in terms of like historical sources or anything else that we
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know of, you know her having a place in Scandinavian or
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Germanic Heathenry is next to nonexistent.
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She's she's really only mentioned in the poems or in the
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in the mythology. So, but yeah, definitely, you
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know, that fearless, that devotion, dedication,
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faithfulness. You know, we the the title that
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we call Sigan is Sigan the Faithful.
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But anyway, let's hear more from the caller.
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Sigan, this is the last. Message here.
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Because I'm about to start my run right now, I just did three
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mile walk and I got to do the rest of the run.
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So, so on to the sigan question or feeling.
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I don't know what that is. Anyway so yeah so I I mean
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obviously you know I have I have trauma from my experience and
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you know when when I, when I was learning about second story that
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is the most darkest shit like that okay.
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Yeah, it is. You know, it is probably one of
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the most tragic stories in the mythology that we have to that
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is that is survived. Again, we're going to go into
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more of the detail of that after the after we listen to the rest
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of this. And you know, I I took a lot
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from her because I didn't want to pretty much ruin the rest of
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my life by getting revenge. Let's just put it that way.
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And when I reported the person who did what they did to me, I
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was actually looked at like I was a suspect for the future
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crime of this person not being alive anymore.
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And that's very common for people who've been through what
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I went through, because it's really hard to sleep at night
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for some people, maybe it's really hard to process and.
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We don't know what's going on and I was lucky and and that's
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privileged enough to have doctors, personal trainers.
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My husband, he was going to school to be a police officer.
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He had good people around us and that's important.
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You know, I mean any kind of experience or experiences that
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people have gone through in their life of such debilitating
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nature, you know, whether it's physical abuse, mental abuse,
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sexual abuse, anything like that, that can really mess
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people up. Having the support system to get
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help get you through it is, is, is, is paramount.
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You know a lot of times people who don't have those things are
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really up against it and and aren't able to get themselves
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through it. So, so good for you singing for,
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for having a strong support system.
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That's great. Glad that you're.
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I'm glad you're here to tell the story.
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You know as as hard of a story as it must be to tell.
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I I have a lot of respect for you to come on to come out and
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actually talk about it, you know to to to call for all intents
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and purposes a random stranger. You know what I mean?
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Somebody who you don't know. We don't know each other and
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then talk about this in in in this detail.
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So that's very brave and I have a lot of respect for you for
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that. Doing, you know, the right
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things and being around the right people and everybody just
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got the good head on their shoulders.
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So I was very lucky. And also I don't think I could
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hurt a lot for being honest. But anyway, God, I think that
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but Sigan pretty much singing pretty much man.
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I just want to see more info on her.
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Maybe maybe also like just mental.
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I know, I know. I don't even know what I'm
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trying to ask. But like there's so much to be,
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so much information to be gotten from the stories and from other
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people's experiences and mental health and what not.
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And just, you know, I also had brain surgery.
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I have two. Kids, emergency C sections.
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You know, I've had, I've been through some stuff, let me tell
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you, and sounds like it. Never.
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Once that I give up. Never Once that I want to give.
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There you go, guys. Never.
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Once you know. Never give up.
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Never give up. Never, never surrender, You
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know, really really touching story.
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And thank you for sharing Siggin, the caller.
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That is a again, it's touching and and I don't even know, a
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scratching of the surface of the whole story.
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But just hearing enough of the story and and replaying this,
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the stagnants of your voicemails.
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You've definitely, definitely had had a run of it, you know,
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But yeah, singing. So let's talk about the goddess
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now, right? We'd love to have more
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information out there about her. Unfortunately there isn't much
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because nothing that survived through the Viking age if she
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had any existence prior to Nori Sterlison writing his pros ETA
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because that is the only surviving text that we have that
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I'm aware of. At least where she is mentioned
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she's mentioned in two skaldic poems that are contained in
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Snorri Sterlison's Pros ETA, she's mentioned in Guilefagini
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and she is mentioned in Skull's couple more.
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So if you guys want to check those stories out I'll I'll I'll
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have a the name of them in the show note or the end or the
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description rather. So wherever you're watching or
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catching this, just check either the show notes or the
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description and put the names of the of the poems down there for
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you so you can read about it. But I'm going to give you a
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rundown of of of Sigin. So as we mentioned early on, she
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is Loki's wife and with Loki they have two offspring, two
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children Norfi and Vali. And we don't really hear much of
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anything at all about speaking until after a boulder incident.
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So when everybody is you know all the gods in in Asgard are
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playing you know throw stuff at boulder.
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Loki tricks holder into throwing a spear or an arrow of mistletoe
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at boulder which is a fatal wound in it and it kills
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boulder. And then not only that but not
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so not only is is is Loki responsible for Baldur's death
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he also is is the reason why hell does not give him up.
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Because when hell is is attempted to be bargained with
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of for Baldur for him to return back do to ask our because he is
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the brightest and most beloved of the gods.
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She says that all of creation, everything must weep for Baldur
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and everything in all the 9 realms does except for, as it
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turns out to be Loki in disguise.
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And when this is discovered, and when it is realized that it is
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all Loki's fault, you know he is.
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He is. He is punished by the gods for
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it. And one of the things that
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happens is Notfi. I believe it's notfi gets turned
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into a wolf and then Narfi in his wolf state kills his brother
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Bali and the entrails of his brother.
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His guts right are used to bind Loki.
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They are turned into mystical mythical chain chains or binds.
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And then Loki is is carted away to this cave underground, and he
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is bound by his own son's guts to this rock where he is to be
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kept imprisoned until Ragnarok and of course, Sigan, his wife,
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goes with him. Now, that's not the end of
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Loki's punishment, you know, because after all, now he is, he
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is a kinslayer. He is, you know, an oath
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breaker. He has done all of these things
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against his own tribe of the gods and now and in addition to
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having his his children transformed you know into these
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protest monsters and or killed, now he is bound to this rock by
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his own son's guts and it furthermore he has placed over
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him. I believe it.
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I think it mentions in one of the poems that Scotty puts a
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snake over him. She has some sort of like you
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know she's either binding him with the guts of a volley or
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she's putting the snake over his head.
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And anyway, this snake that is positioned over him drips venom
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from his mouth and it's like very it burns, you know, So it's
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like this dripping, acidic burn, you know?
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And so Sigan, to keep Loki from being tormented endlessly, holds
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a bowl over him and catches the venom that drips from the
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snake's mouth. Of course the bowl will fill up
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and periodically Sigan has to go and empty the bowl and then come
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back and continue the process well while the Sigin is away
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emptying the the ball of venom. The venom continues to drip and
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every time the venom lands on Loki he rides in agony.
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And it is said in the stories that that is when we have
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earthquakes. It is because Loki is stirring
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and and riding in agony from the venom that drips from the snake
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that is part of his punishment. So and that's about the extent
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that we know of of Sig and she's mentioned as being by his side
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and there to catch the venom that snake drips and and keeps
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him from being tormented endlessly with from this venom
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or you know, by this venom. And so This is why I like to use
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the term Sig and the faithful. You know, she is so devoted to
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her husband and so committed to him that she doesn't question
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the gods either. You know, she is mentioned in
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the stories as being one of the Acer gods.
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So she is part of the tribe that imprisons and sentences Loki to
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this torturous existence until until Ragnarok, you know, and
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she doesn't question that and she and she doesn't abandon her
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husband. So she is.
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She is faithful to two sides of this scenario, which makes me
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remember what our caller Sagan mentioned, where you know, she
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said that she. Really takes a lot from the
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goddess Sagan because you know, she doesn't or hasn't been one
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to seek vengeance. And and of all the things that
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we read about the various aspects of the gods and
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mythology, you know there are some you know, like V Bar for
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example, one of Odin's sons, he is a God of vengeance.
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He he seeks vengeance after hit after oven is killed at Ragnarok
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you know and and he kills Fenrear to to.
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Avenge his father's death, Sigan.
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And you know, there might be other gods that that that can
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that maybe have that same sort of aspect or or attribute
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attested to them, but Sigan isn't one of them.
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She's not a God or goddess of a vengeance.
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She is a God of a faithful devotion.
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You know and she accepts the fact that I have a husband that
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I must be devoted to and I am also part of a tribe you know
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and when the tribes law is broken, I am bound by that law
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and I am you know, I have to respect that.
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And regardless of what she had happened to her and to her
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family, she is right there at low key side and accepts the
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decision that was made, you know, So she has again this,
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this stoic bravery, this, this undying devotion, faithfulness
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that is I think admirable, you know, again, something of a very
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brave nature. She is also.
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I would like to consider thinking of her as a goddess
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associated with dealing with grief.
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You know, just think about it. Her children were transformed
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into a monster and ripped apart by one of one of their own.
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You know her one son is transformed into the wolf, and
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then that son of hers kills the other son.
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She now has none of her children of the of of her own anymore.
28:48
That she knows them and the one of her children's guts are are
28:53
chained are chains now that that keep her husband in prison.
28:59
How grievous of a thing, right? How brutal.
29:01
How grotesque must that be? And again, this is a sentence
29:06
that was imposed by the very tribe that she is associated
29:13
with. And part of, you know, it's not
29:17
like she was like, well, you know, that's my husband.
29:19
How dare you? You know, I'm, I'm, I'm going to
29:21
get you for this. You know you'll never you'll
29:24
you'll, you know you'll rue the day that you ever did this to
29:28
Loki because I'm going to have my revenge.
29:31
It's not a thing that that singing.
29:34
Is, is is mentioned of a feeling, but surely she had to
29:39
have felt grief, you know, and I think that that is.
29:45
An important aspect of sigan that needs to be remembered as
29:48
well is. Dealing with grief and then it's
29:52
and it's part of our of our human experience.
29:56
You know, there's going to be times in all of our lives where
30:01
we are presented with grievous situations, We are going to
30:06
experience loss. We're going to experience things
30:10
of stress or anxiety and and and all of these various, you know,
30:15
plights of a physical and mental illness that can be debilitating
30:21
and destroy people. I've seen it happen to people I
30:26
love and I know that if you're listening and watching to this
30:29
podcast you have as well. You either are someone who is
30:36
you know enduring lights of a physical and or mental illness
30:39
or know people who are or have or both.
30:43
You know. So grief is something that we're
30:45
all well well aware of. You know and there's going to be
30:51
times throughout life that that that we are going to be really
30:55
put up against it. You know, you imagine being in a
30:58
in a position like sigin. In facing something like that,
31:03
and not only facing it, enduring it, but not approaching the
31:12
situation in a vengeful way against your own, You know, cuz
31:17
let's let's face it, Loki was in the wrong.
31:20
You know if you want to look at the.
31:23
The way that society was at the time and how the stories are
31:26
framed around the way the world's, you know, the way the
31:30
world is viewed and and how the dramatic peoples at the time
31:32
viewed the world. What Loki did was crime flat
31:38
out. And at those times I mean laws
31:43
were in place against crimes such as this.
31:46
When you broke with the law, I mean it's like anything
31:49
nowadays, you know, I mean you break the law.
31:50
You have to pay the the fine. You have to do you know, do the
31:54
crime, do the time, pay the fine, you know, and.
31:59
She knew that and she accepted that and is like, you know,
32:02
yeah, you did. You messed up.
32:04
But because he messed up, because he did what he did, she
32:08
was still faithful to him. It's like I'm not abandoning you
32:11
just because you broke the law. I am going to suffer along with
32:15
you in my own way. You won't have to suffer alone,
32:20
you know. I will give you relief as much
32:22
as I'm able to. I will catch this acidic, you
32:26
know, burning venom. So that way you're not tormented
32:32
constantly. You know, she does the best she
32:34
can with that. And I also think that even
32:38
though she's not mentioned of it very greatly in terms of her
32:43
attributes or aspects of being a mother, she is in fact a mother
32:48
figure, you know. And every mother loves their
32:52
children. You know, I would like to say
32:57
that at least that, yeah, even if it's not shown or displayed
33:01
in the ways that you would think are ideal or or whatever, that a
33:04
mother's love is rattle the world and shake the very
33:10
foundations of the earth. That's how powerful a mother's
33:13
love is. And she is so loving.
33:19
You know, if you think about the scenario and then everything
33:23
that the story, paint a picture of her love for Loki as as a
33:33
wife, you know, for her husband and and to her children.
33:39
I think that a mother's love is something that is also an
33:42
attribute or an aspect of thinking that we can safely, you
33:48
know, come away with her or walk away from knowing about her, you
33:53
know. And so when we talk about
33:56
various aspects of the gods, you know, I'm always one to first
34:00
and foremost look to things that pertain to what's closer to me
34:05
than the gods are, right. Like I'm the, I'm the type of a
34:07
heathen who looks at my ancestors for sources of
34:11
inspirations, guidance, strength, you know, that sort of
34:14
thing. Before I would look to the gods
34:15
for it. But I don't.
34:17
I don't this, you know, I don't, I don't not include them.
34:21
They are included, you know, so they aren't outside of my
34:24
practices, but they're not the first things that I go to.
34:27
A lot of other folks might be the ones who.
34:31
In times of. Grief or agony or or difficulty,
34:37
right? They they look first to the
34:38
gods. I know this is I think probably
34:41
more true for newer heathens, you know coming into this,
34:44
especially if you're coming into it this practice, having left a
34:50
another religion like Christianity or something where
34:54
the the divine, the sacred God, whatever is, is the most
34:58
important thing there is And there is nothing greater than
35:01
than that. So you look to the gods, right.
35:04
So there might be folks who are finding out now about singing or
35:10
having not thought about her much.
35:12
You know, having read the stories or heard the stories and
35:14
just never really put too much stock or thought into it that
35:18
are hearing this now and and hearing the the the depth at
35:22
which we're going into it and going wow, if there was a a God
35:28
or goddess in our pantheon who you could connect with when
35:34
needing help getting through times of grief.
35:38
Learning lessons of devotion, courage, faithfulness, bravery.
35:43
They know all these things. Love.
35:47
You know, unconditional love. There was ever a deity to to
35:52
look to for that sort of inspiration and?
35:58
And there you go. There's singing, you know.
36:03
And I hadn't previously thought much of her at all, you know.
36:08
And that and it's interesting how when we look at and I'm, I'm
36:12
going to just say like I've fallen victim of of this too.
36:15
You know, like we always look to the gods as is, like you know, a
36:17
little Thor, you know, because he's, he's mentioned more in the
36:20
stories. You know, he has actual place
36:23
names in Scandinavia, Odin, same thing.
36:27
You know Frayer, you know all of the gods that have a strong
36:32
presence, vibrant background, they have place names named
36:38
after and we have historical evidence that that that shows
36:42
that they were venerated by the people.
36:46
We don't have anything like that for some of these lesser known
36:48
ones that have come up through later on in the myth, You know
36:52
what I mean? Like there's nothing that we
36:54
know of at least my knowledge that you know Loki and Sigin
36:59
were ever venerated as deities by people and and and and how we
37:07
tend to just focus on one or or a couple different gods or
37:11
goddesses different strokes for different folks.
37:15
You know it just kind of depends on the on your practices and how
37:18
you want to approach it. I I just because I'm talking now
37:21
today and about singing doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going
37:24
to you know turn around and and create, you know a space on my
37:29
altar for her. But if this is going to be that
37:33
little bit of seed that gets planted in in my mind that
37:37
somebody asked me about it later on, I'm going to say well
37:40
actually that talked about this this one time, you know, and I
37:42
made, I had somebody to call into the podcast and even though
37:47
their question doesn't really, I wouldn't classify it as a
37:49
question. It was it was more like this
37:54
statement of awareness, right, bringing awareness to what
37:59
exists, bringing awareness to what's going on.
38:02
And I do have to say, you know that it makes it makes real good
38:07
sense that for someone to have gone through what they've gone
38:11
through, right? Or call it at least singing, for
38:13
her to have gone through what she's going through in life, it
38:15
makes total sense that the goddess singing is her matron.
38:22
You know her her main focus in her spiritual practices over the
38:27
years because the. The agony, the the pain, the
38:34
grief, the struggle. It can.
38:38
It can turn people really. It's into terrible people.
38:42
You know what I mean? Like again, you can become so
38:44
consumed by the wrong that was done to you that it it it
38:50
transforms you into into this spiteful and vengeful person
38:54
that. You never fully heal, you know.
38:58
And I don't want to try to sit here and say that I, you know,
39:01
you know, give it some time and you'll and you'll get through it
39:05
and it'll heal. I I don't think wounds like that
39:07
ever really heal, you know, I think they scab over and I think
39:10
they get scarred over time. And they don't.
39:16
I don't want to say they don't bleed as much or they don't hurt
39:22
as much because again, I think that there are times and
39:25
occasions and triggers that happen that reopen those old
39:29
wounds. But you know, maybe maybe over
39:33
time, you know, there are ways and and calluses that get built
39:37
up that make it when the wounds do get re aggravated.
39:41
It's not quite such a a burning sensation anymore.
39:45
You know, instead of it being this gushing wound, it's like
39:47
I'll just just little pinprick or you know, it's it's
39:51
manageable Now I I know how to deal with this, right?
39:54
It's not such a crazy thing. And I got to thinking too, you
40:00
know, like talking about like old wounds and and whatnot, I
40:03
mean. You.
40:05
Think about the mythology of it. Sagan and Loki and and you know
40:09
he's there till Ragnarok, right? Well, do they know when?
40:12
Ragnarok is, you know what I'm saying.
40:15
Like you know if you want to think about it from that angle
40:17
it's she's, she's enduring this with him that he's enduring this
40:21
indefinitely until whenever that happens, you know.
40:23
Yes sure it'll happen one day, right.
40:26
That if you want to like kind of get you know bring bring
40:29
ourselves to that level of of processing something like that
40:32
it's you know they ain't like well you're here for the next 40
40:34
years and. You have time to think about
40:36
stuff and mark your calendar down like you're here until
40:40
Ragnarok. Well, when's that?
40:42
I don't know, but in the. Meantime, I'm going to try to
40:44
stop it, right? Because he he, he makes every
40:47
effort to try and prevent it or delay it and stuff, you know, so
40:51
it's, you know it'll be on a day that ends in, so the day that
40:56
ends. In Y but it's old Norris or the
41:00
day that ends in GI. Don't know some of the.
41:04
Dramatic days of the week, the names of the dramatic days of
41:06
the week, you know, wildness, wildness day.
41:10
But it's the a e.g. because the anyway, but I'm getting nerdy
41:13
with it. So anyway, the indefinite, you
41:17
know, knowing that it's going to happen at some time.
41:20
But when's that going to happen? You don't know, so you endure.
41:22
Or they endure patiently, just not knowing.
41:30
When that's going to happen and how anxious that can cause a lot
41:32
of us to be, you know? Well, when am I going to catch a
41:35
break? You know, I'm never going to
41:39
catch a break. I can't catch a break.
41:41
And I got to say this too, You know, I'm I'm getting off the
41:45
subject. Of sticking a little bit, but I
41:46
think it's all all kind of. The dots connect a little bit,
41:50
right? I've had to I've.
41:55
Had to sever ties. I've had to walk away.
41:56
I've had to cut ties from people who are just like can't ever
42:02
catch a break, you know? Well, figure it out.
42:06
Man, like find something to break the cycle, you know, do
42:12
something different. But just sitting there and and
42:16
complaining about it, you know, I mean I've look, I've gone
42:20
through stuff like that in my life and it's easy to to get
42:23
caught up in that. Like, don't get me wrong, it's
42:25
it's it's easy to get caught up in the moment and be like.
42:30
I can't possibly get through this, and this is just my lot in
42:33
life. You know I'm destined to suck.
42:37
Whatever. No.
42:39
You know, if you wanna, if you wanna adopt that mentality and
42:42
you wanna think that way, then of course that's the way it's
42:45
gonna be. Life sucks.
42:48
Sometimes, you know, not to be nihilistic, but I mean, life is
42:50
pain. Life is full of suffering.
42:52
That's just it. Part of it.
42:55
Now you can either. Condition yourself.
42:57
You can either put yourself through the ringers and and and
43:00
give yourself challenges and and put yourself through these
43:03
ordeals to prepare for those curve balls that.
43:08
Life throws at you, you know. Or you can just skate along and
43:11
hope for the best. And then when you get you know T
43:14
boned by this destructive force of of life that that throws you
43:21
way off course and and you're not.
43:24
Prepared for it. You're not conditioned for it.
43:26
You haven't put yourself through ordeal or adversity, be able to
43:33
handle it, then it, then yeah, it's going to, it's going to
43:36
derail you almost indefinitely. It'd be really hard to get back
43:40
on track after that. And I think that's one of the,
43:44
you know, things. And I've had some, again, crazy
43:47
things happen to me in my life, things that would have, I think,
43:51
broken. Other people, had I not gone
43:56
through things up to that point in my life that taught me
44:00
lessons and that prepared me for the hard times.
44:04
You know, like, you know we we we we see messages and and memes
44:10
and and and stuff all the time about how the sword you know,
44:13
the good sword doesn't. It doesn't become.
44:17
Battle worthy until it's been put through the fire, until it's
44:20
been beaten, until it's been quenched, until it's gone
44:22
through all of these things. You know, had the impurities
44:25
beaten out of it. Shining gold doesn't become
44:28
shining gold until it's put in the furnace.
44:32
You know, subjected to those extreme.
44:36
Conditions to pull out the impurities.
44:40
Pull out the slag to get rid of that less than stellar parts and
44:46
it's I. You can say that this it's
44:49
poetic and you know, but it is. It's true, you know.
44:52
You're not going to be able to handle things that life throws
44:55
at you if you don't proactively decide to suffer.
45:04
And I say that very with with conviction.
45:08
Choose to suffer. Choose to put yourself through
45:11
things you know. Go without food, go hungry a
45:16
little bit, you know, Get hot, get sweaty, be cold, get wet.
45:24
You know, put yourself through physical pain.
45:28
Put yourself into situations that that are going to really
45:31
challenge your mental and physical fortitude.
45:35
You know, do it smartly, right? You know, again, don't, don't
45:40
take. What I'm saying here today is
45:42
this like, you know, in reckless, abandoned, you know,
45:46
do something that that could be potentially fatal or anything
45:50
like that. I'm just saying.
45:52
You know, don't. Don't stay comfortable all the
45:57
time. You'll become soft and you won't
46:00
be able to handle life when it when it really wants to, to mess
46:05
with you. As it will.
46:07
And it does. Nobody is.
46:10
Exempt from it, you know, So proactive suffering, you know,
46:15
choose to suffer. Put yourself through those those
46:17
ordeals. Because what does ordeal do?
46:21
What does adversity do? It breeds worth.
46:27
Yes, it breeds worth. Adversity breeds worth Ordeal
46:30
breeds worth. Not my original phrase.
46:35
Eric Word Weaver Sherman from the Ravens call.
46:39
I heard that from him years ago. And you know, I never heard it
46:43
but that way. But I I've known that concept my
46:46
whole life. You know, live, live a hard
46:50
life. You know, put yourself through
46:52
the ringer from time to time, and then you know when.
46:56
When things come down the road that really test you, you're
47:02
prepared for it. Is it still going to suck along
47:05
the way? Yes.
47:05
Yes, it will. You know, not saying that you're
47:08
going to be, you know, so callous to the situation that
47:11
you'll have no reaction to it. It's it's going to elicit a
47:13
reaction. You're going to feel the results
47:17
of whatever it is that happens. It's not going to be as
47:20
debilitating. It's not going to be.
47:22
As you know, the trauma is not going to destroy you.
47:27
And I wonder. If in in the cases where you
47:30
know trauma does ruin so many people's lives, you know, I have
47:35
to wonder if it's because they hadn't been.
47:43
Given the chance to be proven and tested beforehand, you know.
47:51
You know, guys, we live in a. We live in a generation and we
47:54
live in a time. We live in a society.
47:59
But we we do. We live in a period of our
48:03
humanity's existence where everything is is meant to be
48:08
easy. How convenient everything is.
48:12
Oh, you're hungry. You don't have to cook.
48:14
You can look. You don't even have to leave
48:15
your house. You don't even have to leave
48:18
your apartment, your home, to get food brought to you.
48:21
We have apps for everything. You have a question about
48:25
something. You've got a a mobile device.
48:27
You can, you know, Google and get an answer for it in seconds.
48:33
Knowledge is at our fingertips. Maybe it's not all good
48:37
knowledge or or, you know, reputable knowledge, but it's
48:40
there. It's accessible, you know?
48:44
Are we cold? We.
48:45
Turn the thermostat up or we hot, we turn it down.
48:48
You know with enough money and with enough, you know you can
48:54
get. Anything you want and I'm.
48:57
Not saying this is the case for everybody, but relatively
49:00
speaking, you know, life, we've got it easy.
49:06
We've got it easy now compared in in comparison in in in
49:10
relative terms, so to even, you know, less than 100 years ago.
49:15
You know, I mean, you know, and people be like, oh, you know
49:19
what, it's things are hard now too.
49:21
Yeah. You know, I mean, look, I'm not
49:25
think there are things that really stuck.
49:26
I mean it's it's very hard for people to get ahead in life, you
49:29
know, everything's so damn expensive.
49:33
People don't understand the meaning of faithfulness and
49:36
loyalty, you know, you know, talking about singing and and
49:40
how devoted she is. How many people nowadays, if
49:43
they had, if if the situation that that panned out in the
49:46
stories and the way that the society you know was at the
49:51
time, where the laws and stuff were at the time, you know, how
49:55
many people nowadays would if they're, you know, if they were
49:59
in siggins shoes, you know what would be the first thing they
50:03
do? Well, they probably get on
50:04
social media and bitch about it. I can't believe the ACR did
50:08
this. Guys, you know?
50:12
I'm tagging them. Go and go and you know.
50:16
Shame them publicly in the you know and then and and and find
50:21
ways of of canceling them. You know, Can you believe what
50:25
they? Did this is unacceptable instead
50:29
of being the the stoic figure that that.
50:32
Thing is, is portrayed in the in the myth as being faithful to
50:38
her tribe, understanding that when law is broken.
50:42
Penalties are in place for breaking of law.
50:48
You know you're not exempt from it just because you're part of
50:51
the tribe. You're part of the group, part
50:54
of the family. Oh, it's okay.
50:56
We'll get over it. No you don't you.
51:00
Messed up a a Ron You done messed up a a Ron.
51:06
I'm for real, you know. And that's it that, you know, I
51:12
don't think with the exception of small groups, you know what
51:16
I'm saying? I'm not saying like everybody
51:17
out here is is, is out for lunch when it comes to such concept as
51:21
loyalty, guilty, trust, truth, right, being, being faithful to
51:26
someone or someone's that your faithfulness to them, you know
51:31
those those boundaries are not broken.
51:36
Just because you get offended. By something like, hey, look,
51:40
when when when you mess up, you got to pay the price, you got to
51:43
pay the shield, you know, you've got to pay the recompense.
51:48
And sometimes those recompense that that that recompense is
51:53
because the crime was. So high and it was such an an
51:56
egregious offense. I mean you're you're you're cast
52:00
out you're outlawed. How that applies in modern times
52:04
and stuff, I mean that that's. For tribes to determine
52:07
themselves, that's for injured and groups and things like that
52:09
to determine themselves. But when it happens, it's
52:15
nobody's else's decision. It's no one else's right to say
52:19
anything about it except for that group, at least in my
52:23
opinion, and if things get shared outside of the Tribes
52:31
construct. Or the groups construct and it
52:33
gets leaked out into the public. Well then of course it's going
52:36
to raise alarms and it's going to be like, what the hell is
52:38
wrong with you people? Why are you doing it that way?
52:41
You know? And I'm being vague when I'm
52:42
saying stuff. I'm not, you know, look, guys,
52:43
I'm not, I'm not saying that you should be, you know, chaining
52:46
people to rock indefinitely because they, you know,
52:50
committed a crime. In your group, like I feel like
52:55
I have to say you. Know again, we live in this
52:57
society and we live in a such a time now that you have to.
53:01
Include disclaimers on anything. You know, what I'm saying is
53:04
that the mythology is the mythology.
53:06
It's not necessarily that you you go and you say, well, I'm
53:11
doing it this way because that's how the gods did it or or or
53:14
that's I'm doing it or we should do it this way because look what
53:17
it says in, you know, whatever stanza of the Hava Mall you know
53:23
or here's a classic one, you know in Locust Center when Odin.
53:30
Says that he will not have a drink because or he will not
53:34
have a drink unless Loki is given a drink.
53:36
And now that has turned into amongst a lot of Heathens and
53:40
and and Pagan circles as that we will not give bloat to Odin
53:44
without bloating to the Loki at the same time because of what it
53:49
says in locust center. I mean, here's my thoughts on
53:55
that. Since you asked, right since you
53:59
asked. Without asking.
54:03
I mean, that's what Odin did, You know, Odin says that he
54:05
makes their blood and they are, you know, Blood Brothers and you
54:10
know in a way and that because of that both that was taken
54:13
between the two of them, he will not have a drink poured for him
54:17
without one being poured for low key.
54:20
Well, what the hell does that have to do with us?
54:23
You know what I mean? That's his deal with low key
54:29
and. I don't.
54:31
That doesn't translate to me as like well.
54:34
If I'm gonna give bloat to Odin, then I have to include Loki as
54:36
well and it also hasn't. Never been.
54:41
We don't have anything that suggests that was ever a concept
54:44
or a thought given in Scandinavia.
54:47
I think what information we have of Odin being venerated is that
54:55
Odin. Was a a God of the kings of, the
54:57
nobility of the aristocracy of the of the elite, the elite of.
55:03
Society, whether it was the political elite, the nobility,
55:06
the warrior elite, the war bands, you know that was who
55:12
that that class. Of society at the time where who
55:15
The Who who venerated Odin weren't the common people.
55:19
You know those these folks. You know the common folks they
55:23
were. If any of the gods were were,
55:26
were looked at, you know, from a historical sense, I mean it was
55:29
you know Thor and and and Frayer and you know earlier on than
55:33
that, you know we're talking like Tier 2.
55:37
You know, the Germanic tribes like an earthist, you know Earth
55:44
worship things like that. You didn't.
55:48
You know, we don't see anything anywhere documented at least or
55:51
or or surviving that that would have even suggested.
55:54
That this concept of we have to include Loki in our ritual
55:57
because we're giving you know offering to Odin ever was a
56:01
thing. So to to to to pull that one
56:04
segment out of the lore and use that.
56:07
As like your guiding principle to to do it?
56:10
I mean, look, I'm not here to tell you that if you're doing
56:12
that, you're wrong. I'm just saying, in my opinion,
56:15
one has nothing to do with the other.
56:17
You know, just because Odin and Loki mingled blood.
56:21
At some point in time it was a line in a in a myth.
56:25
Yeah. It has nothing to do with me as
56:26
a as a as a heathen. You know.
56:28
I don't think that Odin is going to should I, you know ever have
56:32
a situation where I'm bloked I'm I'm performing bloat to Odin
56:36
that he's going to ignore me or or or not you know engage with
56:41
with what's going on because I didn't include Loki in it.
56:44
I don't think that's how it works.
56:47
It doesn't make sense to me and so there's a lot of that I.
56:52
Think that comes around. You know, there's a lot of that
56:53
that that people look at and say, well, because of how it's
56:56
in the lore, because of what they said, you know, this is how
56:58
we have to do it. This isn't the Bible, you know
57:01
what I mean? Like this isn't not, this isn't
57:02
the same as as what Christians have.
57:04
This isn't, you know, Doctrine. That is, the Christians have,
57:12
you know, law, customs, doctrine, things like that are
57:15
are established amongst the tribes.
57:19
You know, so my tribes, through customs, law, are going to be my
57:24
customs and my laws and our laws, not yours, not theirs.
57:30
Unless you are part of our our. Group and part of our
57:33
collective, you know, So yeah, I got you know, here we go.
57:39
Random ramblings. You know, we we go off on
57:40
different topics and different tangents, right?
57:48
And there's mine for the week. Don't take the lower so over
57:52
seriously. I can't get it out.
57:55
Don't take the lower so seriously, but learn from.
58:02
Them, I guess, is my point. You know what I mean?
58:04
Like, maybe there's lessons to be picked up along the way.
58:07
I mean, here we are talking about a goddess who has just a
58:11
couple of references made of her.
58:15
And you know, throughout this podcast, I'm like, you know,
58:17
maybe this is a goddess that you can look to for help with things
58:21
like dealing with grief or drawing strength and inspiration
58:24
from her because of her level of devotion and her committed, you
58:29
know, faithfulness and and and stuff.
58:31
And some of these other things that we've talked about already
58:33
on this episode, maybe it's a little.
58:36
Oxymoronic for me to be saying don't follow the lore like it's
58:39
the Bible and over here saying on the other hand like take
58:42
Sagan as an. Example for for certain things.
58:47
I think the messages are are different though.
58:49
I think. I think what I'm saying is, you
58:51
know, you can see some of the relatable things about the gods
58:55
and the stories and find inspiration there.
58:59
But I don't think we should be taking it as, as you know, holy
59:03
commandments that need to be adhered to or else you know, or
59:07
else we're going to get our, you know, our son turned into a wolf
59:12
and that anyway. Guys, that's my that's my
59:17
ramblings for this week on Sigin the Faithful.
59:22
And thank you Sigin, who called in and wanted this to be talked
59:28
about. If you guys have anything about
59:30
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59:33
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59:37
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