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Episode 63: Enoch Part 5 - Lord Have Mercy · But is it Biblical?

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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Glenn.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Lydia.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're listening to, but is it difficult?
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  SPEAKER_00: We invite you to join in as we evaluate church tradition and discover what scripture is truly teaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did it survive?
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  SPEAKER_00: Survive last week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, good news.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is episode 63, and the title is Lord Have Mercy.
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  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully you've recovered from last week.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you've even finished it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for coming back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you're still listening to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I see Jesse from Full House in my head.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have mercy.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to have mercy on you this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be shorter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aww.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are finishing the Book of Watchers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're coming to you live from Kansas City this week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wait, really?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I am sitting in our bedroom right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not really.
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  SPEAKER_00: We recorded this earlier.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the time this episode launches, we will be safely in Kansas City.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: At this year's Theology Beer Camp.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully eating barbecue somewhere along the line.
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  SPEAKER_00: And next week's episode is going to be our recap of Beer Camp, so don't miss it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can't wait.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you don't have to.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're here now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_00: So starting to remind me of last week where we have the past, present, and future all mixed in together.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm here now.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the beginning of our Enoch study, uh, I mentioned how the book is divided into sections.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Book of Watchers is all we have studied, and it's also the only one we're gonna study, because it's the oldest and most theologically rich.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm going to give you a quick overview of the others if you want to study them on your own.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second section is the book of parables, and I'll actually go over that last.
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  SPEAKER_00: The third section is the book of luminaries.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's chapters 72 to 82.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's basically a description of the sun and moon and stars.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uriel, the archangel, teaches Enoch how to do the annual calendar based on their movements.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you'll see as we end the Book of Watchers how this luminary section really should come right after the Book of Watchers.
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  SPEAKER_00: There really isn't much in terms of theological meaning in it, other than the fact that everything is in order.
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  SPEAKER_00: So divine order instead of chaos and celestial obedience to the Creator, that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the section after that, the fourth section, is Enoch's dream visions.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is chapters 83 to 90.
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  SPEAKER_00: It details two dreams that Enoch had.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first one is the flood, and the second one is the history of humanity.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the history of humanity, Enoch tells the story using animals, and every animal is linked to a people group or an individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: For example, Abraham is a white bull, Joseph is a sheep, and the Egyptians are wolves, etc., that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the last section is the Epistle of Enoch, which goes to the end of the book.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a bunch of wise sayings in Proverbs.
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  SPEAKER_00: It talks about the two ways or two paths.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have the way of righteousness and the way of iniquity, good and evil.
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  SPEAKER_00: We see this in the New Testament when it talks about the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: We covered that in episode 32.
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  SPEAKER_00: It also talks about social justice and the abuse of wealth, all of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now back to the second section, the book of parables.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's chapters 37 to 71.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even though it's the second section in the book, it was actually the last section to be written.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was written in the time shortly before or shortly after the birth of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: Scholars believe it was written sometime between 40 BC and A.D.
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  SPEAKER_00: 70.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is the only section that was not found with the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there were the 11 copies of Enoch with the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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  SPEAKER_00: None of them had any portion of the book of parables in them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And with the exception of the last two chapters, which is chapters 70 to 71, I believe the book of parables was written sometime before Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I also think that the last two chapters were written sometime after the resurrection, sometime between 40 and 70.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's why I think that is.
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  SPEAKER_00: The parables talk extensively about a son of man, which points to a messiah and a final judge.
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  SPEAKER_00: The phrase is used in Enoch as a divine title for a being that pre-existed creation and is a divine judge and savior.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, that phrase son of man is used in the Old Testament as well, a little over a hundred times, but it's always used to talk about a human.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, God calls Ezekiel son of man 90 times.
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  SPEAKER_00: The vast majority of the time that that phrase is used, it's God talking to Ezekiel, calling him basically, you're just a man, and I am God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, the only possible exception is in Daniel, where Daniel has a vision of Jesus and says that Jesus looks like a son of man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now he's not calling him a divine being there, even though even though he is, and Daniel knows that, he's saying he looks like a man.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's in Daniel 7, 13.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Enoch uses the phrase to exclusively talk about a divine figure who is the judge and savior of mankind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fast forward to the New Testament and the time of Jesus, and Jesus refers to himself almost exclusively as son of man.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not just son of man, but the son of man.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was seen by the crowds and followers of Jesus to be a claim that he is that final judge that Enoch talks about, all throughout the book of parables.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jews that denied Christ had a problem with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I believe someone added the last two chapters, and in the last five verses of those chapters, Enoch is told by God that Enoch is the Son of Man.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this could have possibly been the Jewish response to the early Christian claims that Jesus was the Messiah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if that section was not added later, it could also point to the fact that all of humanity, which includes Enoch, will be seated on the throne with Jesus, which is something we see in Revelation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Revelation 3.21 says, The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just keep all of that in mind when you choose to study the rest of Enoch.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit of background and history and context that you need to know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you do choose to study the rest, I think by now you get the gist of how to interpret it through the lens of Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also keep one other thing in mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember that the authors of the New Testament, they knew and believed what this book of Enoch taught.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they knew that before they wrote their letters and books.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they also walked with Jesus and they learned from him.
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  SPEAKER_00: So as you read through Enoch and you see the coming judgment that it talks about, ask yourself the question: why did the disciples believe that the coming of Christ was such good news?
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember what we talked about last week?
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  SPEAKER_00: Good and evil.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need one to understand the other.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good news, bad news.
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  SPEAKER_00: If Enoch is the bad news, then what is the good news?
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  SPEAKER_00: And they taught and wrote that Jesus Christ was the good news.
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  SPEAKER_00: And with that, let's get back to Enoch and finish this first section.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Book of Watchers.
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  SPEAKER_03: Alright.
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  SPEAKER_00: We didn't get very far last week, even though it was the longest episode we've ever done.
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  SPEAKER_00: We only covered three very short chapters.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they were extremely pivotal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that's where we find the names and descriptions of the seven archangels.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that information is critical to understanding the book of Revelation.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you try to interpret Revelation without knowing who the seven archangels are, you're gonna get stuck.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Enoch's going on this journey of heaven, and that started last week, but all we all we saw was the beginning where he introduces his tour guides basically.
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  SPEAKER_00: He starts by meeting the seven archangels, and then these archangels take him to seven different places, with each stop corresponding to one of the archangels.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a personal tour with seven tour guides, and it makes me think of these tours that some people take of Israel that are just jam-packed, you know, in like a 10-day period, sometimes less.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they go to one place, a tour guide says something, maybe has time to take a question or two, and then they hop on the bus again and drive to the next place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, when we went, it wasn't that rushed.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were some, yeah, it was busy, yeah, but we had time to sit and actually relish those places a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, this first stop that the angels take him to is actually a kind of a double stop, kind of a before and after feeling.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enoch is taken to a chaotic place.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's actually how he words it in Enoch 21:1.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says, I traveled to where it was chaotic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he sees a group of angels there, but they were bound.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch describes them as looking like great mountains that are burning in fire.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does that sound familiar?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, pride thrown in the fire.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Enoch turns to the archangels, his tour guides, and he asks, For what reason have they been bound?
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  SPEAKER_00: And for what reason have they been thrown here?
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  SPEAKER_00: And Uriel answers.
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  SPEAKER_00: He says, Enoch, why do you ask?
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  SPEAKER_00: And why are you eager for the truth?
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  SPEAKER_00: These are the stars of heaven that transgressed the command of the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have been bound here until the ten thousand years are fulfilled, the time of their sins.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're talking about the fallen watchers here, and they are bound for a really long time until their final judgment.
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  SPEAKER_00: What Enoch is seeing is where they are imprisoned while they wait for that final judgment.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that place is the before half of this stop, before judgment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then comes the after judgment scene.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enoch is shown the second scene, which is even worse than the first.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enoch saw a great fire burning and flaming, and he saw a narrow cleft that led to a deep abyss, full of great pillars of fire.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch says, Yeesh, this place is terrible.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't even want to look at it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Uriel says, Enoch, why are you so frightened and shaken?
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  SPEAKER_00: This place is a prison for the angels.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here they will be confined forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this is Tartarus.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it makes sense now why Uriel is the one answering Enoch.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is the angel in charge of Tartarus and the imprisonment of the fallen angels.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we're seeing here in the second scene is their final judgment.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first vision was the temporary imprisonment, and now this one is the final one.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we actually saw that final judgment in Revelation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember, the humans had already been judged, and then Revelation 21 8 says, But as for the ones who did all the evil deeds, they will be thrown into the lake of fire for their second death.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here in Enoch, we see both deaths.
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  SPEAKER_00: The temporary one and the final one.
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  SPEAKER_00: First scene, temporary, second scene, permanent.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's ironic that this final death is described in chapter 21 of both Enoch and Revelation.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the death of the angels, these are the angels who chose to breed with the women on earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I first generation I assume it includes the demons as well, although those are not imprisoned.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Revelation 21, I believe, is just talking about all of them, the fallen angels and all of their offspring.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just curious.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that was the first stop.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, you'll notice on each stop, Enoch is gonna ask a question or make a statement.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the angel in charge of that stop answers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they answer in order, the same order that the archangels are named, similar to what we saw in Revelation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the history of the world in order.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so they leave and they go from Tartarus to the second stop, and they arrive at a place with a great high mountain of hard rock.
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  SPEAKER_00: So at this one, it's not only pride, but it is hard pride.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's really in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch sees that there are four caves in this mountain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Three of them were really dark, but one was full of light and had a fountain of water in it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enoch makes a comment about the caves, and Raphael answered.
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  SPEAKER_00: And remember, Raphael is the one in charge of all of the souls of all humanity, all right, both good and bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as a reminder, humans have four angels that are in charge of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Raphael is in charge of them all, Michael is in charge of the good ones, Sariel is in charge of the bad ones, and then Remyel is in charge of the resurrected dead, them that rise.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Raphael answered and said, These caves are for the spirits of the souls of the dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alright?
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  SPEAKER_00: These are people who are still dead, not resurrected yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: The souls of all human beings are gathered here until the day they are judged.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Raphael's the tour guide of stop number two.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  unknown: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, as far as Jews were concerned, this is describing Sheol.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Greek equivalent would have been Hades.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are both temporary holding places for the dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the previous stop, we saw the first death and a second death for the angels.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this stop only shows the first death for the humans.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch sees one of these dead human spirits crying out for justice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he asks Raphael who it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Raphael says, It's Abel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right now, if you remember, Abel is the first human to have an injustice carried out against him by another human.
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  SPEAKER_00: His brother Cain killed him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Abel was a shepherd, and Cain was a farmer.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is all in Genesis 4.
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  SPEAKER_00: They both brought an offering to God, a sacrifice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cain brought fruit and veggies that he had grown, and Abel brought the quote unquote fat portions of the firstborn of his flock.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, a lot of scholars believe humans and animals didn't eat meat until after the flood.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Nephilim actually introduced that concept in Enoch.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then God, after the flood, in Genesis 9, 2 through 4, says, The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are delivered.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for your life blood I will require a reckoning.
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  SPEAKER_00: From every beast I will require it, and from man, from his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what God is doing here is setting the stage for Jesus to be our Redeemer, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, this is also showing us that our eating of meat started after the flood, even though these children, these half-breeds, were eating humans and each other and the beasts before the flood.
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  SPEAKER_00: So these quote unquote fat portions that Abel brought could very well have been the milk or cream from his flock rather than the meat.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Jewish historian Josephus actually held that view.
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  SPEAKER_00: But regardless, even if Abel was sacrificing the whole animal, he likely didn't eat it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Cain and Abel each brought their sacrifices, but what is the only sacrifice acceptable to God?
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  SPEAKER_02: Pure and clean.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a pure, humble heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Cain's sacrifice didn't cut it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something was wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a tendency for selfishness and anger toward others.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that actually plays out in what happened next because God accepted Abel's sacrifice and not Cain's.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Cain gets angry and then God gives him some advice in Genesis 4 7.
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  SPEAKER_00: He says, If you do well, will you not be accepted?
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door.
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  SPEAKER_00: Its desire is for you, and you must rule over it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alright, but Cain didn't listen, and he killed Abel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now back to that second stop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Raphael told Enoch that the soul he heard crying out for justice was the spirit of Abel.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Abel is making accusation against Cain and all of his descendants.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enoch says he was making suit, which parallels what we already read, where the souls of humanity cried out against the watchers and made suit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they did this to the archangels, but I mean chronologically Abel came before.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what we're seeing here is Abel's soul that is still crying out for justice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch then asked about all of the caves because there were four.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were three dark and one light.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Raphael said that the cave with the light and the fountain of water is where the spirits of the righteous dead are.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the other three caves are where the spirits of the unrighteous are.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the unrighteous are separated into three groups, three separate caves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna explain those caves through the lens of Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the caves is pre flood, it's the people who make suit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this could possibly be where Abel is, who Enoch already mentioned is making suit, but I don't know, he may be in the righteous cave too.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mention which cave he was in.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this first cave is for the dead souls of humanity.
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  SPEAKER_00: That are making suit.
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  SPEAKER_00: The people who were murdered during the time of the fallen angels and half-breeds who made suit to the archangels.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as a result, the flood was the justice that they requested.
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  SPEAKER_00: So judgment happened there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those souls that are crying out, they had judgment made on behalf of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then another cave, a second cave, is post-flood.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the flood wiped all of the evil from earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: After the souls made suit, those people were judged, but after the flood, there was still lawlessness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when these people die, these sinners, then they go to this cave, these post-flood sinners.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Raphael says, judgment has not been executed on them in their life.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they are awaiting judgment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And their judgment is coming in the form of quote, scourges and tortures of the cursed forever, that there might be a recompense for their spirits.
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  SPEAKER_00: End quote.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those are the words that Raphael uses.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that recompense?
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  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mispronunciation is the thorn in my flesh.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, apparently.
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  SPEAKER_02: Usually it's me, so I think it's recompense.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not the one to call on it, but there's a recompense.
• 23:45
  unknown: Sorry.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Peanut Gallery.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's what I'm here for.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: The word for scourge used there is the same word that is used in John 19 1, which says, then Pilate took Jesus and flogged him.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: And the word for tortures is the same as torment.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen it before.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Basanizo, testing on the touchstone.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: The word for cursed is the same one we see in Galatians 3.13, which says that Jesus became our curse.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the word for forever, we've seen that before too.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: It can mean for a time.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: But after looking at these other words, it doesn't really matter.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: The word for recompense means payment.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you can see where I'm going here.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus was scourged and tested.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He took on our curse.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: He was judged for us, and he did this as a payment for our sins.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's what the people in this cave are awaiting.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Colossians 3 24 says, Knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward, you are serving the Lord Christ.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Reward there is the same word Enoch uses for recompense.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: 1 Peter 2 23 to 25 says, When he was reviled, he did not revile in return.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: When he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree that we might die to sin and live to righteousness.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: By his wounds you have been healed.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the shepherd and overseer of your souls.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: All right, he did all of this because he is the shepherd of our souls.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: So we've seen two caves, one where judgment has already been carried out, and one that is waiting on judgment.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: So the people in the cave number two, they are everyone who's passed away since who's died since the flood.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: So according to the writer of this section of Enoch, it's basically anyone who's died from the flood to when this was written, which we guesstimate is early AD.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: A little bit before maybe somewhere in that Jesus time frame.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's everybody from the flood on.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Except the quote unquote righteous.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Although nobody's righteous.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if we look at this through the lens of Christ, it doesn't matter what cave you're in.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Ultimately.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's where my brain is already going.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wait a second.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, keep going.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: The we get to the third cave, and it's for the ones who are quote not pious, meaning they don't show respect for God.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: They are godless, lawless, they reject God.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: These are the ones needing refinement, so to speak.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: So still deserving of judgment, just like cave number two.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Just like everybody.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now Raphael says that they will stay in that cave never to leave.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty bad news, don't you think?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: They were that bad.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: They don't even get to be judged.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: But keep in mind, again, this is pre-Jesus.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And these souls sound a lot like the ones that hardened their hearts in revelation and continued to reject God during the time of repentance, right?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: The ones who got the fire and smoke and sulfur.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Enoch didn't see that part because there wasn't even a Jesus yet.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: And what he saw instead was where humanity was currently headed and what they deserved.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: What we still deserve.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: He saw people who had been vindicated by the flood's judgment.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: He saw people who would be judged and scourged and tortured and then be bound forever.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he saw people that were so bad they're not even going to be judged.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: There's no need for a trial.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: But we know along came Jesus.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: If I heard about Jesus back then as a Jew who had studied this book of Enoch, my first response would be to say, that's great news.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's a gospel.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: So Enoch then moves on from the caves.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: And at this point, we've now seen what Uriel is in charge of.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Tartarus.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen what Raphael is in charge of.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: And now we go to Rayuel's domain.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's in charge of taking vengeance on the fallen watchers.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Enoch sees a fire that never goes out.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he asked, What is this that has no rest?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Rayuel answered, This course of fire is the fire of the West, which pursues all the luminaries of heaven.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then Rayuel showed Enoch mountains of fire that burned day and night.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: These luminaries are the fallen watchers, the stars that fell, and they introduced pride into the world.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: What Enoch is seeing is fire from the lake of fire, which is a constant reminder to the fallen angels of where their destiny lies.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: It pursues them.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: They know they're defeated.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're just biting their time.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: And while mountains do represent pride and greatness, self-greatness, those qualities simply don't look good on anyone who doesn't deserve it.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: A human with pride, that's a bad look.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: Anybody with pride in themselves, when everybody around them can see past that, it just doesn't look good.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Humans aren't good enough, angels aren't good enough.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's only one who is good enough to be a mountain.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: And we actually see that at the next location.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: The tour group moves on, and I try to picture this in my head because they're moving from one location to another, each place with a different tour guide.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I picture the next archangel kind of rushing to the front of the line, pushing the others back so he can have his turn.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: But they get to this next place, and Enoch sees seven glorious mountains made of precious stones.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Three to one side, three to another, and one right smack dab in the middle, the biggest of them all.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it reminded Enoch of the seat of a throne.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: It had fragrant trees circling it.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: And one in particular was like nothing Enoch had ever smelled before.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the leaves and blossoms, they never wither.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's just all around beautiful, everything about it.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Enoch said, How beautiful is this tree and fragrant, and its leaves are lovely, and its blossoms are lovely to look at.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then Michael, the one in charge of the good people, said, Enoch, why do you ask?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: And why do you marvel at this tree?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: And why do you wish to learn the truth?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Enoch responded the way that I know that I and lots of other people would.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: He said, I want to know everything, about everything, but especially about this tree.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me more.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: And Michael responded, This high mountain, the one like the throne of God, is where the king of eternity will sit when he descends to visit the earth in goodness.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: And as for the tree, no human can touch it until the great judgment.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: And after that, the food of the tree will be for the chosen, and it will be moved to heaven, and there will be no more suffering.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so we're assuming this is the tree of life, maybe.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: We'll find out here in a minute.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: But this was a very pleasant stop.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And you see how Michael planted a seed there, talking about how God will descend to the earth to make judgment.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he just left out the part where God would actually be judging himself on our behalf.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you said Michael is the caretaker, you know, he looks over the good people.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Is that the word that's used?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know it's obviously everything's a translation that we're dealing with.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'd have to go back and look at it.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: It depends because this it was originally written in Aramaic.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um the the portions that we um the portions that we have are either Greek or Gaez, which is the Ethiopic.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the Gaez version is the only one we have a complete copy of, but that came later.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Gaez, Aramaic, and Hebrew, they're all Semitic languages.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're really intertwined and related.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of the words sound alike.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: I believe this section, the oldest we have is in Greek.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, the translation would have, I mean, good people, righteous people, either one would work.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: Hearing that just brought up that feeling of that phrase, am I good enough?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so when you hear Michael rules over the good, you're like, oh, some of us hope we're in that.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: There are people that the Bible calls righteous, and evangelicals, they run circles around that, doing all kinds of, you know, scriptural gymnastics, trying to understand that because the Bible also says that no one, no one is righteous.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, not one.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's I think there's a little wiggle room there that we just don't understand yet.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are words in English that have multiple meanings too.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you're talking to your dog saying you're a good boy, I mean, he's being a good boy right now, but does that mean he's always a good boy?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: Come home to tissue paper all chewed up.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: So where were we?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Michael, moving on.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we move on, and as pleasant as that stop was, you know, all good things, all righteous things come to an end.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Row.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: They travel next uh to what Enoch describes as the center of the earth.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning this is where east, west, north, and south all meet in the middle.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: And based on the landscape that he gives and Jewish tradition, we know that this place is Jerusalem.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: I did not expect that.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: When they describe things as being east and west, they're talking about east of Jerusalem and west of Jerusalem.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: True, yeah.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: He describes seeing three mountains.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you're gonna have flashbacks here as I describe this.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: He describes seeing three mountains with valleys that separate them.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: The holy mountain is in the middle, and the larger mountain is to the east of it.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: The smaller mountain is to the west of it.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: And this perfectly describes old Jerusalem.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: You have the Temple Mount in the middle, uh, the Mount of Olives, which is a little taller, is to the east of it.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: With a big valley in between.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the western hills on the west, which today actually includes the modern-day Mount Zion.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: But back then, Mount Zion would have been smackdab in the middle of Jerusalem.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Enoch said that water rushed out from under the holy mountain, the mountain in the middle.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that water actually still flows today.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you walked in it.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Hezekiah's tunnel.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Gihon Spring.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: We walked through that tunnel that Hezekiah built.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he they built it to reroute the water when Israel was under attack.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then Enoch saw three valleys.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: One valley separated the Holy Mountain from the Mount of Olives, that's the Kidron Valley.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: The second valley separated the Holy Mountain from the Western Hill, that's the Tyropean Valley.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then, which actually means like cheesemakers.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's the valley of cheesemakers.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the third valley was where the three hills or mountains met.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this is called the Valley of Heno.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember its other name?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: The Greek name?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Hebron?
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, I said it wrong.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Gehenna.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that one.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oops.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: So then Enoch asked, Why is this land blessed and all filled with trees?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: But this valley is cursed.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Talking about Gehenna there.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: And Sariel, the one in charge of the bad people, answered and said, This cursed valley is for those who are cursed forever.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: Here will be gathered all the cursed who utter with their mouth an improper word against the Lord and speak hard things against his glory.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Here they will be gathered, and here will be their habitation at the last times.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: In the days of righteous judgment, in the presence of the righteous for all time, here the godless will bless the Lord of glory, the King of Eternity.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds a little like these people are being judged, right?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: And they're pretty much the worst of the worst, yet they're gonna bless the Lord of glory.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I was trying to listen to all that.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's really hard to hear those words and not hear it through the lens of Christ.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's a condemnation.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: There is no hope for these bad, and yet Christ forgives all.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it's hard to hear that text and not apply Christ's sacrifice.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: But Enoch and the Jews before Christ reading this probably had no idea.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: What did that mean?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe hopeless.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're hopeless, but they have no choice to bless Christ because they know they're hopeless, they know they're condemned, they're never going to heaven.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it Christ, I mean, I say Christ, God is still God, and I mean they're blessing him anyway, regardless of their situation.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably how they took it.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: But Sariel has one more thing to say.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Before I get to that, I'm gonna cut him short and discuss two more things or a few a few more things.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's exact okay.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Three more things.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: First, notice that this is where the people are cursed.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: And remember that Jesus Christ, like you said, became our curse.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, second, this matches what we saw in Revelation.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: The people who continued to reject God, but at the end they blessed the Lord.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: And the kings of earth, who were the worst of the worst, ended up entering heaven.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's at the end of Revelation 21.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: And third, Sariel says, Here the godless will bless the Lord of glory.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: So these people are godless.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's G765, and it means these people don't have reverential awe towards God, they have rejected God.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the Apostle Paul used this word too.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 4 5 says, Jesus is the one who justifies the ungodly.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Romans 5 6 says, While we were still weak at the right time, Christ died for the ungodly.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Same word.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: So again, at the time of Enoch, the lens of Christ was not a thing yet.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Enoch is seeing judgment without Christ.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: But we see in the New Testament what happens with Christ.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: He died for the godless.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: While Enoch doesn't mention or know that, we do see here in Enoch that the godless are blessing God.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: And why do you think that is?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he's about to tell us.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: He continues talking about these ungodly people, and he says, In the days of their judgment they will bless in mercy, in accordance with how the Lord has apportioned to them.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: So they bless in mercy.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Those words, and alias.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's G 1722 and G 1656.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: The word N has several translations, including in, by, with, because of, and the list goes on.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: There seems to be a causation going on here in what Sariel is saying.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: These people are blessing God due to mercy, because of mercy.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we get confirmation of that in the word mercy, alias, because alias means active divine mercy or compassion.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it's in the dative singular inflection here.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: The best way to translate that would be by means of mercy.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: In the days of their judgment, they will bless in mercy in accordance with how the Lord has apportioned to them.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now, just for kicks and grins, I looked up this particular inflection of mercy in the New Testament, and I found that it is only used twice.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to hear the two passages where it's used?
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, you've got me curious, okay?
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ephesians 2, 1 through 7 says, And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience, among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the flesh and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: But God, being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: By grace you have been saved, and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace and kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: For by grace you have been saved through faith.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one can boast.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we followed the prince of the power of the air and the spirit of the sons of disobedience.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Who do you think he's talking about?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's talking about the fallen watchers and the half-breeds there.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: He says we once lived among them, just like the rest of mankind.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: But God's mercy came along.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: The next passage is Romans 11, 30 to 32.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: It says, For just as you were at one time disobedient to God, but now have received mercy because of disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient, in order that by the Mercy shown to you, they also may now receive mercy, for God has consigned all to disobedience that he may have mercy on all.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Paul is talking about Gentiles there.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's talking to Jews about Gentiles.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, Remember when the Jews were disobedient and received mercy?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now the Gentiles are disobedient and receive mercy too, because he has mercy on all.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that phrase, mercy shown to you, is the same inflection that we saw in the book of Enoch when he talks about the godless blessing God in mercy.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: So after Sariel tells Enoch that these bad people in Gehenna will bless God by means of the mercy that God has apportioned to them, Enoch writes, Then I blessed the Lord of glory, and his glory I made known and praised magnificently.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: Are you picturing this in your head?
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that he just it almost seems like he had no choice but to just give praise.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's standing there, staring at Gehenna, where the unrighteous sinners are being kept.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Evangelicals would call these people the lost, the ones who haven't believed the right facts about God yet.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch is praising God for it.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, is it any wonder?
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: He just found out that God's mercy extends to everyone.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's the little drop of joy.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's not a lot of it in all of these tour guide stops.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, you've got to there's a beautiful moment there.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you take the majority of the book, it's dark and gloomy.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's little nuggets here.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, I that the disciples would let her later pull out, and they actually bring the rest of it into that mercy as well.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Matthew 9 13 says, Go and learn what this means.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: I desire mercy and not sacrifice, for I came not to call the righteous but sinners.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was Jesus talking later on.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: In Luke 10, a scribe asked Jesus how to get eternal life.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: So Jesus asked him what the law was all about, and the scribe said, Love God and love your neighbors.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus said, True.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: Do this and you will live.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the scribe then asked who his neighbors are, so that he would know who to love, right?
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: When he was done, he asked the scribe a question.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Luke 10, 36-37 says, Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: And the scribe said, The one who showed him mercy.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus said to him, You go and do likewise.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he has zero obligation to prioritize anyone.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 9 16 says, so then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who has mercy.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: So Enoch is traveling with all seven of the archangels.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's been to five locations so far, with the archangels guiding him, in order, in the same order we see in Revelation.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: There are two archangels we haven't heard from yet.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: And now they move on.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: They go east and arrive at a mountain range in the desert, the wilderness.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was desolate, but it had trees and plants.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: This was the sixth stop on the tour.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: But this stop included seven different scenes.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Coincidence?
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: I doubt it.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Each scene is further east.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Each scene gets progressively more beautiful.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: They arrive at the sixth one, and from there they actually had to pass over what Enoch describes as the Red Sea to get to the last scene.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then they also had to cross over darkness.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Both of those symbols there, the Red Sea and Darkness, are places that only God can deliver you from.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: And when Enoch got across those, he saw something from a distance.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: The seventh scene.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: He saw the paradise of righteousness.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it was unlike anything he had ever seen before.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: The trees were bigger and more plentiful than any others.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: And he saw the tree of wisdom.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: He describes it as the tree from which the holy ones or angels eat and learn great wisdom.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the same tree that he saw earlier.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, uh, was it Michael, his scene?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he saw that tree and he didn't get much information about it.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: Smells good.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Enoch said that the fragrance of this tree penetrates far beyond the tree.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: And he made a comment.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: He said, How beautiful is the tree and how pleasing in appearance.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then the sixth archangel, Gabriel, the angel in charge of paradise and guarding God's throne.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: He said, This is the tree of wisdom.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now, before I continue, what were we assuming the tree was when we saw it last time?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: The tree of the tree of life.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I assumed when I first read it.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what about the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: Is that the thing?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're you're far ahead of me then.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because I thought it was the tree of life.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because I thought that is where, you know, that's the tree where we get our life.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was thinking the thing smells really good and is really tempting.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a good point.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he says, This is the tree of wisdom.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: From which your father of old and your mother of old, who were before you, ate and learned wisdom.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: Adam and Eve?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: And their eyes were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they were driven from the garden.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you were right.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Also apparently known as the tree of wisdom.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it's in the Garden of Eden.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: And interestingly, nothing else is said or described at this stop.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: It just comes to an abrupt end.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: I would think that they would want to linger there a little bit, but they didn't even get close enough to, you know, touch the tree.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they didn't want Enoch to be tempted.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: They just saw paradise, it says, from a distance.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: And you said this was stop number six.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: And there were little scenes leading up to it.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is the seventh scene and the sixth stop.
• 51:10
  unknown: Okay.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: So from there they travel on.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they went to the ends of the earth to the seventh and final tour stop.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch saw all kinds of beasts and birds, all of God's creations, each one of them unique in their own way.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then he saw heaven, and the gates of heaven were open.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: The first archangel Uriel pointed out the stars and celestial beings and how they moved, how they entered and exited heaven.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: He showed Enoch how to use those movements to tell time and create a calendar.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Enoch went to all four sides of heaven, and in the north he saw how the winds from the north enter heaven through these open gates.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: He went to the west and south and east and saw three open gates on each side.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Twelve open gates in heaven total.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: And Enoch saw how the stars and the whole universe operates exactly how God intended.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: So on this stop, Enoch saw creation, basically.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: When he saw heaven, the beasts of the earth, the birds of the air, the universe and the stars, open gates.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then Enoch ends the Book of Watchers by saying, And when I saw, I blessed, and shall always bless the Lord of glory, who has wrought great and glorious wonders, to show his great deeds to his angels and to the spirits of human beings, so that they might see the work of his might and glorify the deeds of his hands and bless him forever.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: Notice he says he shows both the angels and the spirits of human beings.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: We now know that he does that through the Holy Spirit and creation.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he's talking about creation here.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying creation shows us everything we need to know about God, his invisible qualities, his eternal power, his divine nature.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: Everything can be clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world and the things that have been made, so we are without excuse.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: All that I just said is Romans 1 20.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Straight out of scripture.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you'll notice here that Enoch never saw God.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: He saw creation and blessed the Lord of glory.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: Psalm 19:1 through six says, The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: There is no speech, nor are there words whose voice is not heard.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs its course with joy.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Its rising is from the ends of the earth, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: And verse thirty-three says, I will sing to the Lord as long as I live, I will sing praise to my God while I have being.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Job twelve, seven through nine says, But ask the beasts and they will teach you, the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you, or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you, and the fish of the sea will declare to you.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: Who among all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this?
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Psalm ninety five, three through six says, For the Lord is a great God and a great king above all gods.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: In his hand are the depths of the earth, the heights of the mountains are his also, the sea is his for he made it, and his hands formed the dry land.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: O come, let us worship and bow down.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's what creation causes us to do.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: But with that, the Book of Watchers is over, ending with the glory of creation in which we see and know God.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: But something's missing here.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: Lydia, did you catch it?
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's missing in this tour?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: We don't see the redemption of Christ.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we heard from every archangel except one.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: Where the heck is Remyel?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot his name.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: Where is Mercy?
• 56:00
  unknown: Yeah.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: The angel in charge of the resurrected dead.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: Redemption.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we did talk about God's mercy.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: But Remyel never got the chance to show off for Enoch.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: He never took him to show him God's mercy or the resurrected dead.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: He he went straight from Gehenna, Enoch did, from Gehenna to Paradise, which was the sixth stop, and then we went from paradise to where?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, heaven! Where all the gates are wide open.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: But something happens in between those two.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately for Enoch, he never got to ask why the gates were all open.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: But while he never got to ask a question, I'm gonna ask a question.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Why is Remyel only mentioned once in the whole book of Enoch?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: He was only mentioned when Enoch introduced the archangels and gave their duties.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm gonna answer my own question.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's because of God's mercy.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: The mercy that is reserved for the resurrected dead.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: It hadn't shown up yet at the time this was written.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: And certainly not when Enoch was on earth.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Enoch was given clues, no doubt.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: We saw that with the Gehenna scene.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: And with the open doors of heaven.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: But Enoch was never given the chance to ask that question because that secret was reserved for the disciples.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: Even Jesus himself only dropped hints.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: He wouldn't reveal the secret, he spoke in parables.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: John 20, 22 says, and when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: This mystery was reserved for the disciples.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: That Holy Spirit that Jesus breathed out is what teaches spiritual truth.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: It opened the eyes of the disciples so that they could understand everything that Jesus had taught them.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: And now that Jesus is gone, gone from earth, that same Holy Spirit is available to everyone.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: All you need to do is ask.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: Luke 11, 13 says, If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: We are all unrighteous.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: We are all evil.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: But God has redeemed us.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to understand the depths of God's love, all you need to do is humble yourself and ask.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Let's walk in the light.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: But like he's giving a tour through the White House.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the scene I had in my mind.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: It kind of dates me though, because it's Is that the Bill Pullman movie?
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_02: Something to do with the president, and there's a tour going on.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're walking, we're walking.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's what went through my mind when you're like the ain't the Archangel's giving the tour, and here's the stops.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I know.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: 90s movie, maybe?
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I totally dated myself.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're welcome.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: But I am thinking back to the beginning of the episode when you were talking about the fact that some of the chapters of Enoch are not found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so then my first thought is okay, maybe the sect of Jews that put those scrolls in the caves.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_02: What was the sect called again?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: The Essenes.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they didn't value it as much as others.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: But then I wonder, okay, are they still those chapters, the ones that are not found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, are those still a part of the Jewish sacred texts?
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know why.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows why they weren't in the Essene scrolls.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: We can only say, well, the that section, the Book of Parables, we can assume that they didn't value them as highly, but we don't know for sure.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: It it's possible it's because they were written later, or um Yeah, maybe they weren't even around at the time of them putting them in the caves.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think th they were.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Enoch itself is not in modern-day Jewish sacred texts.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good to clarify.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: At least not in Orthodox Judaism.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: It is in the canon of the Ethiopian Jews, the uh Beta Israel.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: And even though they're that group is originally from Ethiopia, they're actually in Israel today, and I mean they're accepted as real life bona fide Jews.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: But Orthodox Judaism comes from the teachings of the Pharisees.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: And they don't accept Enoch today.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe the reason is because early Christians used Enoch to prove Jesus.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: And they didn't like that.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: So anything this happened with multiple different writings that they would use before Jesus.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then once Christians started using them, they're like, oh, nope, distance yourself from that.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: From that Messiah stuff.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, remember good and evil?
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you need one to prove the other.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the good news wasn't good news if the bad news didn't exist.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: So they discount Enoch, the bad news, in order to discredit the good news, which was Christianity.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now, once the temple was destroyed in 70, the Sadducees pretty much vanished.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, their whole sect revolved around the temple.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: But the Pharisees lived on, and so did their teachings, and that became what we know today as Orthodox Judaism.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: Just Google it, it's a fascinating history.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as the Essenes go, nobody really knows what happened to them.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like nobody can prove or disprove it.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I believe they were pretty much wiped out by the Romans.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the ones who made it to Masada died too, the ones who put the scrolls in the caves.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was a form of mass suicide, actually.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: At Masada.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_00: At Masada, yeah.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_00: The Jews there decided to end their lives rather than being taken by the Romans.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: But their job in God's history was done by then, anyway.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: They were the voice in the wilderness, right?
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like John the Baptist heralding the coming of Jesus Christ.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: But long story short, there's really no way to know for sure why that section wasn't in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is still in the uh Ethiopic Jewish canon, though.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: And like the whole book of parables.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: And they were they've been around for a long time.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: They trace their roots back to King Solomon.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think officially, like historically, we have records of them going back to the early first century.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean they they use the whole the whole kit and caboodle.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_00: Every chapter of first Enoch, including all of the Book of Parables.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good section to study.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to discount it.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and when you say it, it is called the Book of Parables.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we call it the Book of Parables.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's I don't know.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_02: Chapters blah blah blah through on in in Enoch.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right, chapters 37 to 70.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, you didn't like blah blah blah.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: So that rather large chunk of chapters we call the book of parables.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: We don't quite know exactly when they were written.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of had a feeling I would regret not going over them, but we just don't have time.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they're they're extremely interesting, but they're they don't for our purposes this season, it would just take too long.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: I personally don't think that it was written after Christ.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: I just think the last two chapters were tacked on there, and I'm not alone in that.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh a lot of scholars believe the same thing.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think the majority of the book of parables was written several decades before Christ.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was around the the book of parables when the when Jesus was in his ministry, and especially after when the disciples were doing theirs.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: And it was probably around long enough, or maybe it was new enough for it to be the latest thing to hit the presses, right?
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was on the minds of the audiences of the disciples.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: disciples, which would explain why Jesus leaned on the son of man title so heavily.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because that was the kind of the fad of the moment.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's what everybody was thinking about.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Jesus was saying, you're all talking about this son of man.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: Guess what?
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's me.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully that answered your question.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: Always for the most part, yes.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting my timeline all mixed up, but I think I've I think I'm clear now.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: The timeline is the Book of Watchers was written somewhere 300s BC.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the one that we were studying.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: The book of parables came later probably I don't know somewhere around 20 BC.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then I believe the last two chapters of that book of parables was tacked on later on.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: Once the disciples and everybody started referring to Christ as the Son of Man.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_02: And that section, the book of parables is what was missing from the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: That whole section, yeah.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so that was the beginning of the episode.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_02: That was my question.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: Towards the very, very end, you are we're at the final stop of the tour guide and you said we skipped Mercy.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: That Remuel was not included.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: Did I say that name right?
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: Remuel?
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: Remyel.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: Remyel.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: But Remyel was in charge of the quote resurrected dead.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess what I'm wondering is what is I mean what does that have to do with mercy?
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_02: And also that phrase resurrected dead I I don't know why I found it so distracting.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_02: You say resurrected dead and I'm like zombie images in my mind which is I don't even watch anything to do with zombies but that is immediately what popped up in my head.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like okay so yes.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_02: Why did we what does that have to do with mercy?
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you can be resurrected without mercy being involved.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well so that's okay.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well I mean Is that where you're getting hung up?
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: I guess well because Enoch is looking at all these caves, right?
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_02: And there are people waiting for judgment in these caves and then all of a sudden we're talking about resurrected dead well as far as the resurrected dead are concerned all of the all of the angels that are in charge of humans.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: So Raphael Michael Sariel and Remyel the first three are in charge of human spirits so dead humans.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well maybe they're still alive for Michael and Sariel but it doesn't matter they're mostly dead or I'm not dead yet mostly dead sorry shameless Monty Python.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry about that.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_00: But when we get to Remy Yel he's in charge of humans once we're resurrected from the dead okay all of the talk that the disciples and Jesus had about resurrection and trying to prove hey the resurrection happened you're going to resurrect too okay we're talking about the ones who are now resurrected which is all of humanity.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_02: But that lends itself to the promise of Christ like that's still I view it through that lens of Christ and yet we have Enoch with Remyel and we're missing Remyel in that last part.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well his name I mean he's in charge of them who rise right resurrected dead is that what that everybody dies everybody resurrects once they're dead.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_00: Remyel is in charge of what happens to humanity once we are resurrected and we are gonna all be resurrected.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and in order to understand the significance of Remyel being missing in Enoch's journey we must understand what Remyel means his name Remyel names and the meanings of names were everything in ancient times his name means God is mercy or the mercy of God.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: So the mercy of God is in charge of the resurrected dead so what happens once you're resurrected that's the big question in all of religion like what happens after you die right this is answering that question.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: The mercy of God is in charge of the resurrected dead wow so okay it's not it's it's basically putting a kink in the rope of modern religion which says you're going to heaven or you're going to hell and that depends on what facts you believed while you were on earth.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_02: What prayer you prayed.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah this is saying no the mercy of God is in charge of everyone who resurrects and all will resurrect.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because modern evangelicals believe our eternity is up to us as humans and even though Jesus paid our debt we have the right to refuse it or accept it.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Believe and receive yeah and even or if if we never even know about it, right?
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're screwed.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I've always wondered that the people way ancient not ancient but you know far far away tribes that are unreached.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_00: And when you actually think about that how arrogant or prideful is it to believe that your salvation and forgiveness is dependent on you.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Or dependent on a missionary who can somehow get the language in you know the Bible into their language so that they can know not that sharing good news is a bad thing but like how I just could never understand how God could be exclusive puts somebody who doesn't even have the opportunity to hear.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_00: It puts it back in the hands of humans.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we we want to be in charge we want to have some sort of power right we have the power to reject what God has done.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean if you believe that like I once did please know that that is pride talking you're making yourself responsible for your own salvation.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean sure Christ unlocked the door but you have the power to reject what he has done.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean how haughty is that you decide where his forgiveness goes and get a grip.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_00: You are nothing and nothing you can do can save you or condemn you now including making the choice to not accept Christ's gift.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus died for all including the Native Americans who never heard of him including the tribes in Africa and South America who never heard of the Bible or Jesus including the person in your neighborhood who has never heard Christ's gift is for all he died for all whether you know it or not and his gift doesn't come with a gift receipt you can't return it.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can't refuse it I mean you can try but in the end love is going to win mercy.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not humble enough to accept it now he'll make dang sure that you'll come to your senses in one way or another in this life or in the time of repentance you don't have the right or ability to refuse or to ignore or to be ignorant of forgiveness.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not up to you.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah the mercy of God is for all all who rise the resurrected dead Ramiel Psalm 145 says the Lord is good to all and his mercy is over all that he has made you can't escape that all is all yeah Romans 1132 says for God has consigned all to disobedience that he may have mercy on all and 1 Timothy 23 through four says that God our Savior desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now let me ask you a question do you think God will get what he wants in the end?
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what he wants if that's what he wants for all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth don't you think he's going to get what he wants when I look back on what I used to believe the only thing I can do is shake my head put my face in the palm of my hand and say Lord have mercy I was so stupid.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so blessed and thankful that God opened my eyes and I pray that he does the same for all of you.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: The song for this week is called Mercy by Elevation Worship and Chris Brown.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not giving the lyrics this week I want you to listen to it it starts out slow and it's long tough just listen it's your homework put your headphones on close your eyes kick back in the recliner if your husband or wife wants you to do something just ignore it for eight minutes.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_00: You'll be fine.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_00: You've got homework to do they'll live just be in the room with the audience and make it your prayer next week we'll let you know how Theology Beer Camp went.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Our goal is to bring our experience to you the experience of being with people of all types and all beliefs but at the same time the experience of community and love regardless of our differences.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Have a good week we'll see you then talk to you later.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Bye bye