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Chuck & Buck 4-9 Hour 3: Mark McLemore, Santa's backsack and Ronny Pops' departure. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: How about Nina from The Jewbile Show asking me why
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Speaker 1: I'm wearing a smoker's jacket today?
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Speaker 2: She just doesn't know. She's not paying attention.
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Speaker 1: Nine nurse. How old? Get your head out of the
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Speaker 1: sand much, Nina.
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Speaker 2: You're supposed to be up on everything, some.
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Speaker 1: Sort of award winning co host.
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Speaker 2: Co host of the year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't even know about Draftmas. Wake up, lady.
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Speaker 2: I gotta talk to her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta talk to Good morning to you. It
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Speaker 1: is the eight o'clock hour here on this Thursday, Chuck Powell,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Ryan with you know Bucky Jacobson today, and I
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Speaker 1: know he would love to chat with our next guest.
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Speaker 1: Former Mariner eighteen year major league career, the versatile, the talented,
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Speaker 1: the gifted. Mark McLamore joins us right here on Chuck
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Speaker 1: and good morning, sir.
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Speaker 3: Hey, good morning guys. How you guys doing.
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Speaker 1: We're doing all right? Good to have you on the
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Speaker 1: radio program here today. What are you doing today? What
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Speaker 1: did you get up and do this morning?
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Speaker 4: I got up, had my coffee for my life, and
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Speaker 4: now I've got grimpupper duty.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, there you got it.
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Speaker 3: That's my day.
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Speaker 1: I love it. Well, a lot of things to talk
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Speaker 1: to you about.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch up a little bit, we'll talk about each
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Speaker 1: roll a little bit. But I just I mean, we've
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Speaker 1: got a situation, as I know you're aware, where the
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Speaker 1: Mariners are off to a four and nine start, just
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Speaker 1: got swept in Texas against the Rangers, who you were
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Speaker 1: part of that broadcast team for number of years there,
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Speaker 1: so you know that team, you know that building, and
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Speaker 1: so I don't want to really specific ask you anything specific.
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Speaker 1: I just want you to tap into your eighteen year
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Speaker 1: career as a major leaguer when you were on a
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Speaker 1: team that had high expectations going into the and you
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Speaker 1: got off to a slow start. Maybe it wasn't four
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Speaker 1: and nine, but you got off to a slow start.
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Speaker 1: What goes on? What's the mindset of the team. What's
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Speaker 1: happening in the clubhouse when you have those high expectations
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Speaker 1: and yet you're playing crappy out of the gate. What
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Speaker 1: happens in that situation?
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Speaker 4: Number One, don't panic. Yeah, before and nine, you just
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Speaker 4: got swept. It's not a big deal. It's early in
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Speaker 4: the season. You don't want to, you know, dig yourself
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Speaker 4: a huge hole, obviously, and you don't want to start
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Speaker 4: off four to nine, But you can't panic because things
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Speaker 4: can turn around on a dime. You lost three in
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Speaker 4: a row, five in row, actually, and you can win
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Speaker 4: five in a row and get things right back on track.
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Speaker 4: So the number one thing is don't panic, don't listen
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Speaker 4: to everything going on outside, to just go out there
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Speaker 4: and play every day and take one game at a time.
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Speaker 4: That old cliche, it's been around forever, but it works.
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Speaker 1: Do players discuss it, though? I mean this early in
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Speaker 1: the season. I mean we're sitting here at April ninth.
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Speaker 1: The fan base is melting down right now. And do
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Speaker 1: the players even acknowledge it on the flight home or
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Speaker 1: in the locker room. I mean, it seems to me
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Speaker 1: way too early for like a closed door meeting. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what kind of acknowledgement do you even give four and
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Speaker 1: nine when you're thinking World Series this year?
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Speaker 3: You're not having any discussions.
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Speaker 4: You just know that you're not playing well as a team,
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Speaker 4: and you just go out there and do your individual
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Speaker 4: job and hopefully that will come together.
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Speaker 5: But you cannot panic.
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Speaker 4: You can't start calling, hey, we need to close the
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Speaker 4: door meeting. We're off to a four and nine start.
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Speaker 4: We've got to turn things around. Trust me, every player, coach.
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Speaker 3: Manager, everybody in the organization.
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Speaker 4: Knows they need to start playing better baseball and not
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Speaker 4: dig themselves too big of a hole to try and
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Speaker 4: get out of.
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Speaker 5: So no, there's none of that going on.
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Speaker 3: And you know, guys may somebody may say here.
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Speaker 4: And there, pay let's go, we're better than this. They
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Speaker 4: keep it moving, but they're not calling everybody together and hey,
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Speaker 4: let's have a pow. Well, so we can start playing together.
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Speaker 4: What's just not how it works.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you do when you were in a slump,
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Speaker 1: especially an early season slump? I mean, did you burn
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Speaker 1: sage or you know, sacrifice a chicken? I mean, did
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Speaker 1: you do what was Mark Maclamore's secret recipe for getting
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Speaker 1: out of a slump?
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I've had a lot of experience
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Speaker 4: with that, so.
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Speaker 5: I had a lot of those.
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Speaker 4: Really, just just get back to the basics. Get back
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Speaker 4: to the basics, se ball, hit ball, and take one
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Speaker 4: at back, one pitch at a time, and go from there.
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Speaker 5: Because if you start putting.
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Speaker 4: Too many things on your plate, saying, oh, we got
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Speaker 4: to win five games, you only play one at the most.
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Speaker 5: You might play two in a day that's hit.
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Speaker 4: So you can't start saying we need to take this
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Speaker 4: series in that series in a month and we get
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Speaker 4: these guys again in three months. You can't do it.
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Speaker 4: It's what you have in front of you right now.
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Speaker 4: Get back to the basics and just get the.
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Speaker 5: Job done day to day.
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Speaker 1: Farmer Mariner Mark maclamore is our guest right here on
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Speaker 1: Chucking Buck in the Mornings, having them on for a
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Speaker 1: number of reasons today. Part of that is just to say,
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Speaker 1: i'd to Mark macklamore again, and you've covered the Rangers
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Speaker 1: for the better part of the last decade or so,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm sure you're keeping in touch with the team.
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Speaker 1: Should the Mariners worry about the twenty twenty six Rangers,
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Speaker 1: do you see them as a threat this year in
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Speaker 1: the American League West?
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Speaker 4: My mindset has always been this, any team that we
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Speaker 4: play is a threat because they're all major league teams.
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Speaker 4: I know when they came in here, they weren't thinking
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Speaker 4: they were going to be swept by the Rangers. Nobody
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Speaker 4: ever thinks that. So everybody's a threat. And I know
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Speaker 4: that sounds simplistic, but that's exactly what you have to
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Speaker 4: be in this game.
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Speaker 5: You have to be. There are so many games, the
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Speaker 5: season is long. A lot of.
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Speaker 4: Things can go wrong, but a lot of things can
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Speaker 4: go right as well. So everybody they play is a threat.
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Speaker 4: And you know, you look at where the Rangers are
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Speaker 4: sitting right now, it's early, not that big of a deal.
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Speaker 4: You see where the Mariners are sitting, not that big
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Speaker 4: of a deal. Things can change quickly, and when things
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Speaker 4: do change, it starts with one win it all.
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask this as a as an aside.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you played in your eighteen year career for
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Speaker 1: all five teams in the American League West at one point,
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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to ask any tricky questions. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to ask you a fun question. Which uniform do
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Speaker 1: you think look the best? Like that you really rock
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Speaker 1: that uniform? A's Mariners, Rangers, Astros or Angels when you
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Speaker 1: played for them? Who had the best looking threads that
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Speaker 1: you put on that day?
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Speaker 5: That's easy, Mariners, come.
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Speaker 1: On, okay, okay, just playing in my audience.
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Speaker 5: Of course, I come on.
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Speaker 4: I've been a Ralph for a little while, but I
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Speaker 4: really I really enjoyed our alternate blue jersey, Navy blue jersey.
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Speaker 4: That one I really love that one, especially uh well
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Speaker 4: at Holeman.
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Speaker 5: On the rope. They just looked they just I just
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Speaker 5: thought they look great.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark McLamore, our guests here on checking back. Another
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Speaker 1: one of the main reasons we wanted to have you
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Speaker 1: on is tomorrow each Hero's statue goes up the big
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Speaker 1: event tomorrow night. Obviously you played with him on that
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one team and then two thousand and two,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and three as well, So just your reaction
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Speaker 1: to learning that each Hero Suzuki was getting a statue
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Speaker 1: at the ballpark.
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Speaker 4: I think it was kind of a no brainer what
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Speaker 4: Eachiro did and his you know, sixteen seventeen year major
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Speaker 4: league career, but I can't even stop there because it
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Speaker 4: goes beyond that.
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Speaker 5: Even you know, when he was in.
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Speaker 4: Japan, this guy was just remarkable. But this is for
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Speaker 4: me a no brainer. So I know he's excited, the
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Speaker 4: fans are excited. I'm excited. He absolutely one deserves it.
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Speaker 1: What was your initial reaction to seeing him in spring
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Speaker 1: training that first year that he came over, and then
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Speaker 1: how are you feeling about each Ero a month into
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Speaker 1: that year.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to use one word because it just continually
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Speaker 4: happened from the time he got here until he finished.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, just wow.
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Speaker 4: I mean the things that he was able to do
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Speaker 4: day in and day out, the consistency in which he played,
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Speaker 4: and he played every single day, went out there and
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Speaker 4: got the job done. I remember having a conversation with
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Speaker 4: him one time in the batting cage and I asked him,
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Speaker 4: I said, man, what do you think about when you
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Speaker 4: when you come to the ballpark every day? How many
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Speaker 4: hits you thinking about getting. I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 4: what my answer was and what my goal was.
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Speaker 5: Every day.
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Speaker 4: I wanted two hits, two runs, two solen bases every
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Speaker 4: single day.
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Speaker 5: That's what I wanted.
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Speaker 4: His answer was this, every time I come up to
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Speaker 4: the plate, I expect to get a hit.
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Speaker 3: I was like, that's why you're gonna be a Hall
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Speaker 3: of Famer.
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Speaker 5: And I'm not just the mentality.
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Speaker 4: Every time he stepped in that batter's box it was
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Speaker 4: a hit for him, and obviously it wasn't. But you
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Speaker 4: see what he was able to do over his career.
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Speaker 4: It took him fourteen years to get the three thousand hits.
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Speaker 4: That's incredible. That is incredible.
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Speaker 5: Most players that are in the Hall.
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Speaker 4: It took them seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, sometimes even twenty years
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Speaker 4: to get that three thousand. He did it in fourteen.
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Speaker 4: That's an incredible feat.
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Speaker 5: I think.
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Speaker 4: I think that goes misunderstood. I people even don't even
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Speaker 4: realize that that it took him fourteen years to do that.
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Speaker 4: Just incredible. I mean two hundred hits a year I
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Speaker 4: think his first ten or eleven years. Not many people,
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Speaker 4: are players, have been able to do that, So just
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Speaker 4: wow every single time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the phenomenon really took hold across the entire league.
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Speaker 1: By the end of April, for sure, like what on earth?
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Speaker 1: Probably mid April, what on Earth has happened? Who is
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Speaker 1: this guy? I mean, everybody knew that the Mariners had
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Speaker 1: signed each ye Roe from coast to coast and as
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Speaker 1: baseball fans, but I don't know. There certainly wasn't an
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Speaker 1: expectation that he was going to hit seven thousand in
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Speaker 1: his first month in a major league uniform. I mean did,
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Speaker 1: I mean, did were you spending time like was it
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Speaker 1: difficult to keep the secret to not put expectations unnecessarily?
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Speaker 1: Did you need to see proof of it in major
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Speaker 1: league games? Or were you heading home after spring training
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Speaker 1: practice and telling your wife like, you cannot believe what
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Speaker 1: I saw from this each of Osuzuki today. What was
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Speaker 1: that like?
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Speaker 5: No, I didn't.
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Speaker 4: I was not driving home thinking about that because I
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Speaker 4: know it doesn't matter who it doesn't matter who you are.
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Speaker 5: You still have to play.
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Speaker 4: Major league games and you have to go out there
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Speaker 4: and prove yourself night in and night out. So one
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Speaker 4: month didn't matter if he hit seven thousand, because things.
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Speaker 3: Can turn on a nine.
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Speaker 4: There have been players scattered throughout history that you know,
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Speaker 4: one year did the rookie of the year and two
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Speaker 4: years later they're at home.
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Speaker 5: They have a job.
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Speaker 4: So for me, you've got to go out there and
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Speaker 4: continually prove yourself. And he did that. That's why for
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Speaker 4: me every single day was wow. And you know, I
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Speaker 4: tell this story all the time because it was. It's
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Speaker 4: an absolute true story and mind boggling to me.
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Speaker 5: It irritated me after a while.
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Speaker 4: A lot of times I hit behind him, so he'd
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Speaker 4: get a hit somehow he's at first base. I'd walk
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Speaker 4: up to the plate and the catcher and the umpire
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Speaker 4: are asking me how did he do that?
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Speaker 3: And my question to them.
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Speaker 4: Was I have no idea because if I knew I
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Speaker 4: didn't want it too.
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Speaker 5: So stop asking me.
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Speaker 4: This guy was just incredible inside pitch, He'll pull it,
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Speaker 4: hit it the other way, drive it something outside, down
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Speaker 4: on a way. Whatever it was willing to pitch off
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Speaker 4: to get another pitch that he can do something with.
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Speaker 4: Was just absolutely incredible to watch.
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Speaker 5: And I am so.
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Speaker 4: Glad and happy and proud to have had a front
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Speaker 4: row seat to that.
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Speaker 1: Mark maclamore. That team in two thousand and one, I
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Speaker 1: mean it was obviously special, it was historic, obviously very skilled,
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Speaker 1: very deep. But I don't think going into that year
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Speaker 1: that anybody had huge expectations for the Mariners, and maybe
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Speaker 1: the nation was asleep on just how much talent and
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Speaker 1: skill that you had going into two thousand and one.
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Speaker 1: But there had to be some element beyond talent and
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Speaker 1: skill that made that team special that hopefully can be
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Speaker 1: applied to this twenty twenty six team as well. What
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Speaker 1: was it about that team beyond talent and skill that
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Speaker 1: made it so damn good?
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Speaker 4: Well, I got to get credit where credit to number one,
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Speaker 4: Pat Gillick. Pat Gillick was the architect. He put that
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Speaker 4: team together, and you know, going into going into two thousand,
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Speaker 4: who's thinking that the Manders are going to even make
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Speaker 4: the playoffs? Would you no longer have Randy Johnson Ken
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Speaker 4: Griffy right, ay Ry was still there in two thousand,
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Speaker 4: But who's thinking that that's going to happen with those
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Speaker 4: big horses playing somewhere else. Nobody's thinking that. And then
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Speaker 4: going into a one A Rod's now gone. No one
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Speaker 4: is thinking And I'm not saying that we were. We
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Speaker 4: wanted to number one, win our division and trying and
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Speaker 4: then go on to win the World Series.
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Speaker 5: That's that's your mindset.
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Speaker 4: That's every player and every team and every organization's mindset
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Speaker 4: going into the season. And once we got off to
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Speaker 4: a really good start, we just started. We really believed
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Speaker 4: in ourselves. I mean, we had a really really good
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Speaker 4: mixture of veteran players, middle veterans and young players. Pat
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Speaker 4: Gillick I think he worked at a roster to perfection,
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Speaker 4: almost to perfection. Stands up, we didn't win the World Series,
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Speaker 4: but he put together an outstanding team, and then of
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Speaker 4: course the head man and the dugout teaching everybody loose.
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Speaker 4: You know, Sir lou Panela, that guy was just incredible.
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Speaker 4: People often ask me, you know, how was it with
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Speaker 4: lou B so fiery and you know, screaming and yelling.
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Speaker 4: And I can proudly say that the three and a
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Speaker 4: half four years I was there, Blue he didn't do
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Speaker 4: a lot of that.
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Speaker 5: We played well. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So you talk about the talent that was assembled, I
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Speaker 4: think a lot of guys had, you know, really really
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Speaker 4: good years, some guys career years, me myself included.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 4: But it's started with with Pat Gillick and Lupernello.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Mark maclamore, our guests here on the program,
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Speaker 1: who do you still keep in touch with from that team?
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Speaker 1: Do you still have close buddies from that squad?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: Boodie for one, Uh, Jay Buner, Tom Lambkin.
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Speaker 5: Uh for Rhodes.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the list goes on, Mike Cameron, uh Man Uh,
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Speaker 4: Dan Wilson.
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Speaker 5: I didn't get this.
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Speaker 4: I didn't get down to see him this time when
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Speaker 4: they were in town, but I definitely will.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 4: But there are a number of guys, you know, so
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Speaker 4: it's it's fun, you know, the friendships that we all created. Now, obviously,
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Speaker 4: I've known boy since God, probably the longest of anybody.
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Speaker 4: When I first came up from the Angels, I played
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Speaker 4: with with boom So seeing him and Aaron run around
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Speaker 4: the Clough House every now, I'm in uh so. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of guys that I keep in touch,
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Speaker 4: keep in touch with.
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Speaker 1: When you guys do get together and you complain about
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Speaker 1: today's players in today's game, do you complain more about
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Speaker 1: the way they approach it, the way they behave, the
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Speaker 1: rules to the game, the money they make. What ends
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Speaker 1: up being the conversation.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll throw this one out there to start it off.
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Speaker 4: The money situation that's never brought up. Okay, what we
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Speaker 4: really talk about is, Okay, the approach to the game.
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Speaker 4: I know, you know they have a lot of meetings.
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Speaker 4: We didn't really have a lot of meetings. We just
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Speaker 4: talked amongst ourselves. We learned from each other. We talked
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Speaker 4: to our pictures to figure out what pictures they're thinking.
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Speaker 4: We talk to other hitters what they're thinking. I think
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Speaker 4: you're you know. The difference is there's from what I've
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Speaker 4: seen and I did you know I was covering the
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Speaker 4: Rangers for nineteen years, watching how the dynamic changed. There
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Speaker 4: wasn't a many guys that stayed around, talked about the
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Speaker 4: game and really tried to figure it out. Everybody's in
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Speaker 4: front of a screen, you know, iPad or monitor going
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Speaker 4: over every single pitch. Yes, we did that too, but
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Speaker 4: not as much because if you still have to go
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Speaker 4: out there and know what's in that guy's heart and
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Speaker 4: know what's in yours. So there are a lot of
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Speaker 4: things that a lot of factors that go into this
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Speaker 4: that aren't on paper that you have to take into account.
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Speaker 4: So we talk about that, we talk about the rule changes.
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Speaker 4: There are a lot of things that we, as you say,
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Speaker 4: complain about. I tried not to and you know, my
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Speaker 4: thing with this, with the way the game is now,
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Speaker 4: and I figured this out probably seven or eight years ago,
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Speaker 4: you can't really be upset with the players and how
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Speaker 4: they play the game because they're doing exactly what we did.
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Speaker 4: They're going out there and playing the game the way
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Speaker 4: they were taught. They just happened to be being taught
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Speaker 4: by different players than we were. For instance, the majority
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Speaker 4: of my coaches, I will say ninety to ninety five
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Speaker 4: percent of my coaches played in the big leagues. Now
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Speaker 4: I'm not knocking guys that don't and you know, didn't
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Speaker 4: play in the big leagues that are now big league coaches,
17:22
Speaker 4: but there's nothing that beats experience. So when I'm hearing,
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Speaker 4: for you know, from a guy that just passed away,
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Speaker 4: which was one of my idols, Dating Lopes or Gary
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Speaker 4: Templeton or you know, Ozzie Smith, when I hear those
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Speaker 4: guys talk and say things to me, I'm listening because
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Speaker 4: they did it.
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Speaker 5: They're telling me.
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Speaker 4: From experience how to go out here and do it
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Speaker 4: in our last Yeah, it's just a different game now, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: in our.
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Speaker 1: Last thirty seconds? Would you have loved the abs challenge system?
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Speaker 4: I probably would have gotten thrown I'd probably get thrown
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Speaker 4: out more than I did when I was actually playing,
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Speaker 4: so I'd probably use up both challenges and wanted back
18:08
Speaker 4: did I'd never play again because it managed to be hot,
18:11
Speaker 4: so you know.
18:13
Speaker 1: All right? Man, Well, hey, thank you very much for
18:16
Speaker 1: spending some time with us. We appreciate it. Each got
18:19
Speaker 1: another big night to honor his legacy tomorrow night. And
18:23
Speaker 1: don't worry, you don't have to bat behind him tomorrow,
18:27
Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about that any longer.
18:29
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Always great having you on.
18:32
Speaker 5: All right, So Gaby, thank you guys.
18:33
Speaker 1: All right, Mark Maclamore, our guests right here on Chuck
18:36
Speaker 1: and Buck in the mornings again each year. Oad night tonight.
18:40
Speaker 1: I think they're giving out commemorative.
18:42
Speaker 2: Trophy or something like that, some gold statue.
18:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, some gold statues. So he will have his statue
18:47
Speaker 1: put up tomorrow. Masters. So we're going to get an
18:50
Speaker 1: update to here in about ninety seconds from AUGUSTA. Do
18:54
Speaker 1: you want to correct something from earlier in the show, Hosea,
18:58
Speaker 1: Maria ola Thaba was not the guy that I was
19:01
Speaker 1: thinking that he was. No, I'm not a golf historian.
19:05
Speaker 1: I confused him with Miguel on hell Menez and not
19:09
Speaker 1: the person the name, So Jose Maria ole Thobel has
19:13
Speaker 1: been around a long time, and I'm still surprised that
19:16
Speaker 1: he's atop the leaderboard day one of the Masters. But
19:19
Speaker 1: I was referencing a different person back in the six
19:22
Speaker 1: o'clock with.
19:23
Speaker 6: The ponytail, yeah, and the cigarettes and the fun stretches
19:26
Speaker 6: and you know, yeah, all of that stuff.
19:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:29
Speaker 6: Well, and when he said I was like, oh yeah,
19:31
Speaker 6: but then I couldn't picture what ole Thobel looked like.
19:34
Speaker 1: So I can picture him now now now that you
19:37
Speaker 1: now that A yeah, texture pointed it out to him, like,
19:41
Speaker 1: oh of course, now I can picture him, but at
19:43
Speaker 1: the time this morning I got the too confused.
19:46
Speaker 6: I totally understand it'll happened. That's with three names, right right. Well, anyway,
19:52
Speaker 6: so we got that cleared up. I don't think that
19:55
Speaker 6: Miguel on hell Jimenez is in the Masters.
19:57
Speaker 1: I don't think he is.
19:58
Speaker 2: It would be great if he was.
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Speaker 6: I would make sure that they were showing him when
20:01
Speaker 6: he warms up his stretches are something.
20:03
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's go to the experts. Then we
20:06
Speaker 1: head live to Augusta, Georgia, Day one of the Masters.
20:09
Speaker 1: Here is a live update for you.
20:11
Speaker 5: The clock is ticking.
20:13
Speaker 1: Draftmus is all most here, but combine visits and those days.
20:19
Speaker 2: In the rearview mirror with Schnyderbuckers.
20:22
Speaker 1: Hey, Mary, Draftmas everybody, It is Chuck and Ashley with
20:25
Speaker 1: you know, Bucky Jacobson here today it is time for
20:29
Speaker 1: our brand new feature during the Draftmas season. Now on Thursdays,
20:34
Speaker 1: it's time to open Santa's Backsack.
20:37
Speaker 2: I do really love it.
20:38
Speaker 6: Uh huh everybody mostly though in my mind it doesn't.
20:42
Speaker 2: It's not something we should talk about.
20:45
Speaker 1: Oh Santa's Backsack.
20:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why, Like it's forbidden well, yeah,
20:49
Speaker 2: but here we are doing things we're not supposed to do,
20:51
Speaker 2: and I like it.
20:51
Speaker 1: Santa's got a sack. It's full of goodies, but instead
20:55
Speaker 1: of toys for all the good children and boys across
20:57
Speaker 1: uh children and boys too across the world. Instead it's
21:03
Speaker 1: filled with just running backs and cornerbacks. It's a backsack,
21:08
Speaker 1: is what it is. And the reason is because it
21:10
Speaker 1: looks like the two areas of greatest need for the
21:13
Speaker 1: Seahawks heading into the draft, and the two areas where
21:16
Speaker 1: they're being mocked mostly in drafting in the first couple
21:21
Speaker 1: of rounds. And so let's talk about that running back position,
21:26
Speaker 1: that dastardly void left by ken Walker that people are
21:30
Speaker 1: just not going to be comfortable with until they can
21:33
Speaker 1: see another running back and envision that running back being
21:37
Speaker 1: someone who could be ken Walker. Like, well, we've thrown
21:40
Speaker 1: around a lot of names, but we saved this time
21:43
Speaker 1: on Thursdays to really focus on this position. So Rob
21:48
Speaker 1: Rang was with us on Tuesday, Jolly old Saint Piccolas
21:51
Speaker 1: himself was on with us on the program our NFL
21:54
Speaker 1: Draft expert throughout our draft coverage, and I brought up
21:59
Speaker 1: the name Darien Price to Rob Rang and boyd did
22:02
Speaker 1: he go off.
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Speaker 7: There's a running back out of Notre Dame Jadarreon Price,
22:06
Speaker 7: and I know that he has been a little bit
22:08
Speaker 7: overshadowed by Jeremiah Love, but I think a Jadaim Price
22:11
Speaker 7: is going to wind up having a better NFL career.
22:13
Speaker 7: Wo's just a more instinctive runner. I mean, this is
22:16
Speaker 7: the guy that you know. We often talk about how
22:19
Speaker 7: the John Schneider likes to zig when everybody else is
22:22
Speaker 7: dagging kind of a thing, and that's what I see
22:24
Speaker 7: here with Jadarian Price is he just has a different
22:28
Speaker 7: level of instincts in the way that he runs the ball.
22:32
Speaker 7: He's anticipating where defenders are going, not just where his
22:35
Speaker 7: blockers are going, but where defenders are going to be going.
22:38
Speaker 7: He's kind of playing chess when everybody else is playing checkers.
22:41
Speaker 7: He cuts back against the grain really well. He is
22:44
Speaker 7: a strong physical runner, but also has great lateral agility
22:48
Speaker 7: and burst. He doesn't have that leads straight line speed
22:52
Speaker 7: that Ken'th Walker the third ad I mean Kenneth Walker
22:54
Speaker 7: thirdy round four to three two, and this guy is
22:56
Speaker 7: more than four four six, so good speed, not breakaway speed.
23:01
Speaker 7: But at the same time, I just really like his
23:03
Speaker 7: fit in the wide zone blocking system that John Denton
23:07
Speaker 7: offensive line coach, and certainly Brian Floory is new offensive
23:10
Speaker 7: coordinator that they are going to be using.
23:13
Speaker 5: I just think that he is a.
23:14
Speaker 7: Hand in gloves fit Chuck and as he is available
23:17
Speaker 7: number thirty two overall, and I don't think that that's
23:19
Speaker 7: a given, but I do think.
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Speaker 5: He's likely to be available at thirty two.
23:23
Speaker 7: I think it's I laugh at the idea that he's
23:25
Speaker 7: going to be available all the.
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Speaker 5: Way at fifty four overall.
23:28
Speaker 7: But if there is a trade down snare to me,
23:30
Speaker 7: Jenerry on Price would be they're running back that you
23:33
Speaker 7: could take in this draft class and then just not
23:35
Speaker 7: worry about that position anymore, allow everybody else to kind
23:38
Speaker 7: of fight for the second tier option. But Jerry on
23:42
Speaker 7: Price to me, has a look of an NFL belcal
23:46
Speaker 7: kind of a back, and I love his ability out
23:49
Speaker 7: of the back as a as a receiver. He He's
23:52
Speaker 7: been criticized for that because the fact that you know,
23:56
Speaker 7: Jeremiah Love had so many opportunities.
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Speaker 5: That's where Love is so special. But jenderary on.
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Speaker 7: Price was trusted as a kick returner over his college career,
24:04
Speaker 7: so clearly there are no questions about his hands, and
24:07
Speaker 7: by the way, he brought back a couple of those,
24:09
Speaker 7: including a big one against USC to help Notre Dame
24:13
Speaker 7: in that rivalry game. So I just I'm in love
24:15
Speaker 7: with jenderari.
24:15
Speaker 5: On Prices game.
24:17
Speaker 1: In love with Jadarian Prices game. Well, he's being mocked
24:20
Speaker 1: to the Seahawks quite a bit. Greg Bell even told
24:23
Speaker 1: us on Wednesday yesterday that the Seahawks are certainly interested
24:29
Speaker 1: in Jadarian Price. He's high on their list as well.
24:33
Speaker 1: But somebody that I've had my eye on at the
24:36
Speaker 1: beginning of this process is Mike Washington Junior, the running
24:41
Speaker 1: back out of Arkansas. And what else is in Santa's backsack? Well,
24:45
Speaker 1: how about an evaluation of Mike Washington Junior from the
24:48
Speaker 1: QB one himself. Turns out, Hugh likes my guy too.
24:52
Speaker 8: He led the SEC with sixteen plays of twenty plus yards.
24:56
Speaker 8: When you watch him on tape, I think that Judi
25:00
Speaker 8: Price in like first gear, like from zero to whatever,
25:04
Speaker 8: is the most impressive. But when you see that like
25:08
Speaker 8: second or third gear, now get to sixth gear. This dude,
25:12
Speaker 8: Mike Washington, you get him a little bit of a
25:16
Speaker 8: runway before he accelerates his his accelerate from from sixth
25:20
Speaker 8: second gear to fifth gear is breathtaking. You know there's
25:24
Speaker 8: times where it just all the and this is going
25:26
Speaker 8: against the sec He just breaks guys down in terms
25:29
Speaker 8: of of of how how that acceleration now is lateral quickness.
25:34
Speaker 8: I would not say is at least that's why he's
25:37
Speaker 8: not gonna be a first rounder. You know, maybe his
25:39
Speaker 8: vision on the outside zone isn't the best, uh, but
25:43
Speaker 8: you know, particularly in these gap schemes, when he can
25:46
Speaker 8: get behind alignment and he sees that crease, that acceleration
25:51
Speaker 8: from a jog to a sprint is his next level stuff.
25:55
Speaker 8: And so, and consider this from from a Seattle perspective,
26:00
Speaker 8: there's been kind of in recent years. Last two years,
26:03
Speaker 8: we've had Seahawks playing on the field that have been
26:06
Speaker 8: combine freaks, like top of top elite combine dudes.
26:11
Speaker 5: Yep.
26:12
Speaker 8: And you got DK Metcalf, you Gotrek Wollen, and you
26:16
Speaker 8: got Nicki Mnoorri. All three of those guys vastly outperformed
26:22
Speaker 8: their position in the draft, agreed.
26:25
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's.
26:27
Speaker 8: Gonna sit, you know, in the minds of the decision
26:30
Speaker 8: makers in renting but you know, I think there's something now.
26:35
Speaker 8: Now he had ten fumbles in his career, three fumbles
26:38
Speaker 8: last year. That's a concern. So and again, the lateral
26:41
Speaker 8: quickness is not elite, but everything else, the trajectory, the production. Yeah, this,
26:49
Speaker 8: this dude's a horse. So yeah, Mike Washington, junior from Arkansas,
26:55
Speaker 8: keep your eye on him.
26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I like to hear starts. Time I
26:59
Speaker 1: saw Washington, I just saw highlights. I haven't gone and
27:02
Speaker 1: watched all Arkansas. I haven't watched the old twenty two
27:06
Speaker 1: and watched every one of his games. I just saw
27:09
Speaker 1: a highlight package. I'm like, well, that guy moves like
27:11
Speaker 1: Walker and yet he's bigger and found out at the
27:13
Speaker 1: combine and he's even faster or as fast. So it's all.
27:17
Speaker 1: It's been a guy that I've had my eye on
27:20
Speaker 1: this entire process. And to hear Hugh Millen on Monday
27:23
Speaker 1: say this might be my favorite guy in the of
27:27
Speaker 1: the running back class for the Seahawks.
27:30
Speaker 2: Did it warm the cockles of your heart?
27:32
Speaker 5: Really did? Yeah? Bet?
27:33
Speaker 1: It's nice getting validation from that guy, right, you know
27:36
Speaker 1: what I mean.
27:36
Speaker 2: It's like he knows what he's talking about.
27:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, and then when he's talking about what you're
27:40
Speaker 6: talking about, then it's like, you know what you're talking about?
27:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm talking about? I do know what you're
27:45
Speaker 1: talking about. And it turns out I know what I'm
27:48
Speaker 1: talking about.
27:48
Speaker 2: Who knew?
27:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg Bell, let's mention one other thing here in
27:52
Speaker 1: the Santas backsack, because it's not just about running backs.
27:55
Speaker 1: They're cornerbacks in there as well. It's true, Greg Bell,
27:59
Speaker 1: when I asked him about you know, you've lost Reek
28:01
Speaker 1: Woolen and you've lost Kobe Bryant. And Bryant played kind
28:06
Speaker 1: of safety, were a little bit of a hybrid role,
28:08
Speaker 1: but he played safety certainly and replayed corner. Are you
28:11
Speaker 1: gonna go for a corner? Are they more apt to
28:13
Speaker 1: go for a corner in this draft, a safety in
28:15
Speaker 1: this draft, or try to find that hybrid piece, Greg,
28:18
Speaker 1: without hesitation, the hybrid piece. Mike McDonald loves versatility, and
28:23
Speaker 1: so he's looking for another Kobe Bryant. You're gonna try
28:26
Speaker 1: to find another Kobe Bryant in this draft that does
28:29
Speaker 1: the same things that warmed the cockles in Mike's heart,
28:31
Speaker 1: because Kobe Bryant really did some cockle warming.
28:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Mike McDonald and so you know he's gonna
28:37
Speaker 1: want another player like that just doesn't cost the team
28:41
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars per year, fourteen million dollars per year
28:44
Speaker 1: like Bryant did. So keep an eye on that as
28:46
Speaker 1: well in the draft process. Well, let's put Santa's backsack
28:50
Speaker 1: away again for another week. Shu it up. Yeah, but
28:53
Speaker 1: good stuff from all of our experts. Coming up next
28:56
Speaker 1: on the radio program, Ronnie Pops is lee us and
29:01
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29:27
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29:30
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29:33
Speaker 1: Rhet Lewis from NFL dot Com. We'll join us. We'll
29:36
Speaker 1: get his feel for the NFL Draft, which is now
29:39
Speaker 1: just two weeks away. Also, more on the Mariners. Come
29:43
Speaker 1: in your way, and we'll keep you updated on what's
29:45
Speaker 1: going on in AUGUSTA. Kurt Kitayama is now your leader
29:49
Speaker 1: on the old leaderboard four under through ten with Tommy
29:53
Speaker 1: Fleetwood and Patrick Reid. One stroke back. A lot of
29:56
Speaker 1: the guys that maybe we could have taken yesterday and
29:59
Speaker 1: our draft, and we discussed taking yesterday in the draft.
30:02
Speaker 1: We didn't take in the draft. And they're off to
30:04
Speaker 1: very good starts. Fleetwood's not on anybody's roster. Read's not
30:09
Speaker 1: on anybody's roster. No, Soouxfle is on somebody's roster. He's
30:13
Speaker 1: one under at this point. I think Rory was off
30:16
Speaker 1: to a pretty good star. Where did he? Oh he
30:18
Speaker 1: bogied something, so he's back to even So we'll give
30:21
Speaker 1: you updates when we can. And also twenty after the
30:24
Speaker 1: hour every hour throughout the course of our broadcast.
30:26
Speaker 2: I did see de Chambau hit somebody with his t shot.
30:29
Speaker 1: Do I get points for that? He's on my roster,
30:32
Speaker 1: and I think i'd like points for hitting a pedestrian.
30:35
Speaker 6: I mean we could add points, like at a stroke,
30:38
Speaker 6: you want to take away a stroke for it?
30:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I get bonus points. I mean, it'd
30:43
Speaker 1: be different if he hit somebody with his club, right,
30:45
Speaker 1: I think you should su subtract stuff from me.
30:48
Speaker 6: I think the bonus point will be the fact that
30:50
Speaker 6: the ball landed in a better place than it would
30:51
Speaker 6: have had it not hit it.
30:53
Speaker 1: That's Patron, that's fair. Yeah, thanks Patron. Yeah, thanks for
30:57
Speaker 1: helping out je effort. We appreciate that. Well, let's talk
31:00
Speaker 1: a little hockey, and man, all of our hockey conversations
31:03
Speaker 1: lately have been uncomfortable. Obviously, we were in on the
31:07
Speaker 1: ground floor with this crack and organization. Got to see
31:10
Speaker 1: it birthed into this world, got to see it take
31:13
Speaker 1: its first steps, and it's kind of in this awkward
31:17
Speaker 1: adolescent phase where we kind of want to give it back. No,
31:20
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, it's got pimples and greasy hair right now.
31:24
Speaker 1: I mean, it just is not going as well as
31:26
Speaker 1: what we want, as what Crack and fans want, and
31:29
Speaker 1: as what the organization wants, and it's not going to
31:33
Speaker 1: coming together again this year. I knew that there were
31:37
Speaker 1: going to be some uncomfortable conversations and decisions this offseason,
31:41
Speaker 1: and I like that. I like that about the organization.
31:44
Speaker 1: I like that Todd Liwicki is not somebody that's going
31:47
Speaker 1: to stand back and watch mediocrity continue. And they've tried
31:51
Speaker 1: firing coaches and tried different touches here the last few years.
31:55
Speaker 1: Sounds like they are committed to Lane Lambert going forward,
31:58
Speaker 1: but you do wonder who they're not committed to. And
32:01
Speaker 1: one person that did have to lose his job in
32:04
Speaker 1: this process was Ron Francis, who's an absolute hockey legend.
32:09
Speaker 1: I know that he's loved and respected by almost everybody
32:12
Speaker 1: that comes in contact with him. But Ashley, I mean, again,
32:17
Speaker 1: you're in that place that no organization in today's professional
32:21
Speaker 1: sports wants.
32:22
Speaker 5: To be in.
32:23
Speaker 1: You would rather be bad in a lot of cases
32:26
Speaker 1: than mediocre, and they seem to be stuck in this
32:30
Speaker 1: mediocre space. Somebody had to answer for it. It turns
32:33
Speaker 1: out to be Ron Francis, and I think Ron was
32:35
Speaker 1: thinking about stepping away anyway.
32:38
Speaker 4: See.
32:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd already moved down or moved from GM.
32:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'd been talking about how he's not in
32:43
Speaker 1: this thing forever anyway, and so this was an obvious
32:48
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised, maybe by the timing with five games
32:51
Speaker 1: left in the regular season, but they decided yesterday to
32:56
Speaker 1: mutually part ways. But Ron Francis had to pay the
32:59
Speaker 1: price because he was a big part. He was a
33:01
Speaker 1: big architect in creating the current product that we're seeing
33:04
Speaker 1: on the ice come short and the regular season year
33:07
Speaker 1: after year.
33:08
Speaker 5: Now.
33:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this year was a major disappointment. I mean,
33:11
Speaker 6: I think everybody in the organization would agree. I think
33:14
Speaker 6: ron would agree because they had really high hopes of
33:17
Speaker 6: getting to the playoffs and then seeing what could happen.
33:19
Speaker 2: And to see the.
33:20
Speaker 6: Fall, I mean, they weren't consistent all season, but to
33:23
Speaker 6: see the fall after the Olympic hockey break and what
33:26
Speaker 6: it turned into I think was a surprise to everybody,
33:30
Speaker 6: and yeah, something's got to be shaken up, and you can't,
33:33
Speaker 6: as you said, you can't keep changing head coaches. I
33:36
Speaker 6: don't think. I do think Lane Lambert is the right
33:38
Speaker 6: guy for the job. I just think there's got to
33:41
Speaker 6: be a shake up.
33:41
Speaker 1: Well I think it. I don't know if he's the
33:43
Speaker 1: right guy for the job, but I think he definitely
33:45
Speaker 1: has earned another shot at it. Where Ron francis, you know,
33:52
Speaker 1: I think the writing was on the wall for Ronnie
33:54
Speaker 1: Pops who. That's how we affectionately refer to him. I
33:57
Speaker 1: don't think anybody else does, but we do on this show.
33:59
Speaker 1: He's been eight to us, absolutely, and you can just
34:02
Speaker 1: whenever you're in his presence, it's like you can feel
34:05
Speaker 1: like the hockey legendary status of him, but that can't
34:10
Speaker 1: carry you. You've got to win. I mean, this is
34:13
Speaker 1: a results business. You know, we have a business where
34:17
Speaker 1: it's not always that you know, you can have great
34:19
Speaker 1: ratings and maybe you know you don't do something else
34:25
Speaker 1: that keeps you from winning that day. Maybe you're not
34:28
Speaker 1: you're not active enough on social media. Well, that's not
34:31
Speaker 1: the way it works in professional sports. You have a
34:34
Speaker 1: win loss record at the you get a win or
34:35
Speaker 1: a loss at the end of every game. You get
34:37
Speaker 1: a win loss record at the end of the season.
34:39
Speaker 1: It's a results business. We're not getting the results they want,
34:43
Speaker 1: and somebody's got to pay the price. Ron Francis is out,
34:46
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a couple
34:49
Speaker 1: of other big things happen this offseason, probably on the
34:53
Speaker 1: player personnel front.
34:54
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think, I mean, this is their window
34:56
Speaker 6: right now to really figure out what how to make
34:58
Speaker 6: this team tick and how to succeed going forward, because
35:01
Speaker 6: we've talked about it. If the NBA is coming back
35:03
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty eight, you're going to have more competition, right,
35:06
Speaker 6: So you got to get this team righted now and
35:10
Speaker 6: you got to keep that fan base interested.
35:12
Speaker 1: All right, Well, it'll be interesting to see the steps
35:15
Speaker 1: that they're going to take. But I love the fact
35:17
Speaker 1: that this is an organization that is I mean, and
35:19
Speaker 1: they get they are bothered when they do not. I mean,
35:23
Speaker 1: I've been around, We've all been around from AFAR organizations
35:27
Speaker 1: where it feels like they don't really care. What's the
35:29
Speaker 1: financial bottom line. This organization is not going to be
35:33
Speaker 1: satisfied with what's happening so far.
35:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
35:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love that about them, And I'm looking
35:39
Speaker 1: forward to what else they do this offseason to try
35:41
Speaker 1: to get this thing, to try to get out of
35:43
Speaker 1: this rut, because they're in a bit of a rut
35:44
Speaker 1: right now. All right. Coming up next, it's mock draft time.
35:48
Speaker 1: We have a different mock draft that we pour over
35:51
Speaker 1: every Thursday. Today, Rhett Lewis from NFL dot Com will
35:55
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35:57
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