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TMP308 ANDERS PARKER: HANDMADE MUSIC · Troubled Men Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker A: Foreign listeners, welcome back to the Troubled Men podcast. I am Renee Coleman, sitting once again in Snake and Jake Christmas Club lounge in the heart of the clampire with my co host, the original troubled man for troubled times and future mayor of New Orleans, Mr. Manny Chevrolet. Welcome, Manny.
• 0:33
  Speaker B: Hey, man, what's happening?
• 0:35
  Speaker A: Oh, not too much. You got something in your eye there.
• 0:38
  Speaker B: Yeah, I got out of my car when I got home and something. The wind's gusting and something blew in my eye.
• 0:45
  Speaker A: Oh, man.
• 0:45
  Speaker B: And I can't get it out. I tried drops, I tried splashing water.
• 0:50
  Speaker A: Tried soaking it out.
• 0:51
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's just in there. I can't get it out.
• 0:54
  Speaker A: Oh, man, it's a bummer.
• 0:55
  Speaker B: It's fucking irritating.
• 0:57
  Speaker A: Oh, you're over your. Your touch of the hantavirus you had a couple of weeks ago?
• 1:01
  Speaker B: I don't know.
• 1:02
  Speaker A: Okay, perhaps.
• 1:03
  Speaker B: Perhaps.
• 1:04
  Speaker A: All right, well, so we. We had a week off during Jazz Fest last week. Now we're back and festival season is over. You must be relieved.
• 1:13
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah, and I was also relieved that my neighbor who does these backyard concerts the days after Jazz Fest.
• 1:22
  Speaker A: Huh.
• 1:23
  Speaker B: He got sick.
• 1:24
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:24
  Speaker B: So he couldn't host these concerts. So that was good.
• 1:27
  Speaker A: I remember last year you were said he had one planned and you were planning to mow your lawn at the same time.
• 1:34
  Speaker B: Well, yeah, but I didn't.
• 1:35
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:36
  Speaker B: You know, he seems like a nice enough guy, but he's got to learn, right?
• 1:41
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:41
  Speaker B: Just like we all have to learn.
• 1:43
  Speaker A: Sure, sure.
• 1:45
  Speaker B: Yeah. So those got canceled and your friend's concert. What's her name? She was supposed to play. What's her name? Lynn.
• 1:55
  Speaker A: Lynn Drury.
• 1:56
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:56
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:57
  Speaker B: She got canceled.
• 1:58
  Speaker A: Oh, really?
• 1:58
  Speaker B: That was one of the backyard.
• 2:00
  Speaker A: Oh, it's a shame.
• 2:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, well, a lot of people don't like her.
• 2:03
  Speaker A: Oh, no, that's not true.
• 2:04
  Speaker B: No. I. I've met some people who say that she's a Trump supporter.
• 2:09
  Speaker A: Oh, not at all. No.
• 2:10
  Speaker B: Really?
• 2:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. People get crazy. I don't know why someone would even say that.
• 2:13
  Speaker B: That's. Oh, because I bumped into fans and I said, I invited her to come watch it, and she said no.
• 2:21
  Speaker A: Huh.
• 2:21
  Speaker B: She had heard things.
• 2:23
  Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's. That's not true at all. You know, Lynn's a. Lynn's a good girl. She great. Great singer, great musician. Well, anyway, so got. Finally got a little. Little bit of a. A breath here. It's like, stop this world. Let me off. I'm.
• 2:38
  Speaker B: I'm exhausted world. Is that.
• 2:39
  Speaker A: Oh, you know, the. The world just to people saying, how's it going during this time I said, okay. You know, I seem to be staying one step ahead of whatever is chasing me, and I don't know what that means. Well, you know, just the feeling that if I ever slowed down to even look over my shoulder, I would. I would run into problems. So I had to just keep forging ahead with the. With the gigs, the rehearsals, the practicing, preparing. But now I get a little bit of a break for a couple of days.
• 3:09
  Speaker B: Very happy.
• 3:09
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:11
  Speaker B: Because those were a lot of gigs, right?
• 3:13
  Speaker A: There was a lot of gigs. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of marks to hit. A lot of lines to say. As you would. As you would say.
• 3:20
  Speaker B: It was all good, though.
• 3:22
  Speaker A: It was all good. Yeah, everything. You know, the. Every gig that I did at the festival was. Was very successful.
• 3:27
  Speaker B: You always say that.
• 3:28
  Speaker A: Well, I mean that we try to make them all good.
• 3:31
  Speaker B: You know, people don't want. Nobody cares about good show. We had great crowds and all. Let's hear some trouble.
• 3:37
  Speaker A: I'm not interested in having bad shows just so I have something to talk about on the podcast.
• 3:41
  Speaker B: But, I mean, there's got to be something. Some kind of trouble, like during the set, you have to all of a sudden go to the bathroom and you have to hold it. Does that ever happen?
• 3:50
  Speaker A: Well, I mean, something like you try to plan ahead of times, but sometimes you're on stage and you didn't quite.
• 3:56
  Speaker B: Get your groupie, didn't swallow. This was upsetting to you, you know. You know, you try to.
• 4:02
  Speaker A: Like that, Try to put everything that's not the gig out of your mind while you're playing the gig, because as soon as you start thinking about something else, that's when you're going to fuck something up. So it's. Now, fortunately, you train yourself to push everything out of your mind. And in fact, I do this thing when I'm. When I'm in front of a big crowd or I know that there may be people there that might get inside of my head. I don't even look at anybody's face in the crowd. I just kind of look over the thing. So, you know, I don't see someone who. I'll start thinking for the rest of the set, oh, that guy's listening to me now. I'm going to start thinking about that. So, you know, you have these little tricks that you. That you develop over the years of. Of performing as, you know, you, you know, being a performer yourself. Well, so, I don't know. There's all kind of stuff went on during. During Jazz Fest, Mini Gigs. You know, something interesting that that happened is I got interviewed along with the. A couple of the other Iguanas by Newell Norman, former ass. Former sheriff of, Of Jefferson Parish. That WWL radio show.
• 5:08
  Speaker B: I know.
• 5:09
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:10
  Speaker B: I'm blocked from call.
• 5:12
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. That jerk.
• 5:15
  Speaker B: What did he have to say?
• 5:16
  Speaker A: Oh, he was, he was big Iguanas fan, as it turns out. And sure he is. Started saying how his mother was from Nicaragua and he speaks Spanish and you know, very surprising. I didn't, didn't. Didn't know that about.
• 5:29
  Speaker B: He's into deporting people to Nicaragua too, is he?
• 5:32
  Speaker A: I don't know about that. That didn't come up on the. It didn't come up on the, on the, in the interview. But he, he did, you know, talk about the, the Hispanic.
• 5:41
  Speaker B: Let's get him on the show.
• 5:42
  Speaker A: Okay. Well, you know, he's.
• 5:43
  Speaker B: Try to get him on.
• 5:44
  Speaker A: I might be able to do that, man.
• 5:46
  Speaker B: So I can spit on his feet.
• 5:47
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 5:48
  Speaker B: And curse his flight home.
• 5:50
  Speaker A: Okay. You know, I think he just lives here somewhere in the city, so it's going to be a short.
• 5:54
  Speaker B: His drive home.
• 5:55
  Speaker A: Drive home. Okay, gotcha.
• 5:58
  Speaker B: Anyway, he seems like a good guy.
• 6:00
  Speaker A: Right, right, right. Well, anything going on with you in this. This time now? People where there's a lot of people in your neighborhood for Jazz Fest.
• 6:07
  Speaker B: You live real close. Yeah, yeah. Everyone have their porch party now it's all about the porch parties. And the backyard parties just never ends with these people.
• 6:18
  Speaker A: So they're making noise, disturbing your tranquility.
• 6:22
  Speaker B: Then the dogs start barking and all that kind of stuff, you know?
• 6:26
  Speaker A: Yeah. You had a dog barking early in the morning. You.
• 6:29
  Speaker B: Yeah, that Larry and his dog. Okay, Said Larry, shut that dog up, man. I'll go over there and kill it. Because I've killed animals before in my life.
• 6:42
  Speaker A: I could see that.
• 6:43
  Speaker B: Yeah. Many cats, A few dogs. Oh, well, some frogs and birds.
• 6:48
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I could. I could see you. I could see. See you torturing a small animal.
• 6:52
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 6:52
  Speaker A: In your youth.
• 6:53
  Speaker B: Burning ants.
• 6:55
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:56
  Speaker B: You know, I've done all that. I've been around, man.
• 6:59
  Speaker A: Sometimes that leads to. To serial killing behavior.
• 7:03
  Speaker B: You know, I don't eat cereal.
• 7:05
  Speaker A: Okay, right on, right on.
• 7:07
  Speaker B: I used to be a big cereal fan.
• 7:09
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 7:10
  Speaker B: But now that I'm lactose intolerant.
• 7:12
  Speaker A: Are you?
• 7:12
  Speaker B: Yes, I can't have them.
• 7:14
  Speaker C: Oh.
• 7:14
  Speaker B: Very much anymore.
• 7:15
  Speaker A: Oh, man. You know, I'm still.
• 7:17
  Speaker B: Even though I like the dairy.
• 7:18
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And I eat quite a bit of dairy. I don't have any. Any intolerance for. For dairy.
• 7:23
  Speaker B: But you don't like cheese on your burger?
• 7:25
  Speaker A: Well, no, I don't mix milk and meat together.
• 7:28
  Speaker B: Why not?
• 7:29
  Speaker A: Well, it's. It's a. It's a kosher dietary thing.
• 7:32
  Speaker B: Oh. So you'll have a cheese pizza, but not a. Not a pepperoni and cheese.
• 7:38
  Speaker A: Right, right. Well, not a hamburger and cheese where I would eat, like, hamburger and I would eat cheese, but not together.
• 7:45
  Speaker B: Hmm. That sounds awful. Gotta have a little queso on your burger, man. Now, what about cheese on your eggs?
• 7:53
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, eggs are not meat. Eggs are considered parv, which is.
• 7:57
  Speaker B: What about cheese on your fish?
• 7:59
  Speaker A: Well, again, fish isn't. I mean, that's kind of weird, right? Cheese on fish, but.
• 8:05
  Speaker B: Oh, filet o fish sandwich with a nice piece.
• 8:07
  Speaker A: Okay. All right. Block fish. Yeah, sure. Okay. I could see that. I'm not really a fan of the filet o fish, but.
• 8:13
  Speaker B: Well, no, you have cheese on your trout.
• 8:16
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 8:17
  Speaker B: Your salmon.
• 8:18
  Speaker A: All right.
• 8:19
  Speaker B: Are your tuna steak okay?
• 8:21
  Speaker C: All right.
• 8:22
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's. That's totally permissible because it's. It's. That's not considered meat. That's fish. You know, it's like. It's not beef.
• 8:30
  Speaker B: So why can't the Jews have cheese and meat?
• 8:33
  Speaker A: Well, it's.
• 8:34
  Speaker B: Explain this.
• 8:35
  Speaker A: Well, there. There's. There's.
• 8:36
  Speaker B: Because I had a lot of Jewish friends in high school who are having cheeseburgers.
• 8:40
  Speaker A: Not everybody keeps kosher and not. And there's degrees of it. Some people will just not eat pork and. But they will still mix milk and meat. It's everybody, you know, it's kind of.
• 8:50
  Speaker B: Did you hear about the Pope dying?
• 8:52
  Speaker A: I did. I did, yeah.
• 8:53
  Speaker B: I saw him in concert once. Yeah?
• 8:56
  Speaker A: Yeah. How was he?
• 8:57
  Speaker B: Yeah, it was good. It was Pope John Paul back in the 80s.
• 9:01
  Speaker A: Oh, wow.
• 9:02
  Speaker B: And he was backed up by the Vatican City Rebels.
• 9:05
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 9:06
  Speaker B: It was a great tour, man. And their big hit was Dance, Little Jesus Dance.
• 9:10
  Speaker A: Okay. I remember that. Yeah, a good beat you could dance to.
• 9:15
  Speaker B: Concert sucked after a while because, like, after every song, it's the typical Catholic Church. You had to sit, you had to kneel, you had to stand. You couldn't just enjoy the concert.
• 9:26
  Speaker A: Right.
• 9:26
  Speaker B: You know, so I left halfway through it.
• 9:28
  Speaker A: It's a lot of participation. It's too much.
• 9:32
  Speaker B: It's the Catholic Church. Yeah.
• 9:34
  Speaker A: Right. Well, so they have. The College of Cardinals is assembling there in Vatican City. They're about to go into lockdown. A couple of days. Sure.
• 9:43
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:43
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 9:43
  Speaker A: Well, we'll see.
• 9:44
  Speaker B: Yeah, they're just gonna Pick another pedophile.
• 9:47
  Speaker A: Or someone who pope someone who will cover it up. Anyway. Yeah, play along. Yeah, so I saw a lot of great groups there at Jazz Fest. I went two days when I didn't have to play that day at the festival or a nighttime job and had extra tickets, I was able to go just walk around and that was, you know, really enjoyed that one day I saw Morris Day and the Time, which is a band I originally saw in like 1982 with Vanity 6 opening the show. Then Morris Day in the Time. Then Princess saw that at the Sanger. Here. This is the 1999 tour. And you know, Morris Day and Time.
• 10:28
  Speaker B: You just said 82 to 99.
• 10:30
  Speaker A: No, I said no. The 1999 tour party. Like it's 1999, I think was.
• 10:35
  Speaker B: Oh, it was 82.
• 10:37
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In real life, you know, Morris Day at the time, they had all the. The 80s synth sounds really cranking. It's very nostalgic. And Morris Day had three piece polyester suit on, as did the entire group. And they're in the full sunlight, like, you know, 80 something degrees on the Congo Square stage. And, you know, then the next week, the Sunday after that following week, I was able to go and I caught Patti LaBelle at that same stage, same closing slot there. And she had a green ball gown on. All the guys in her band are dressed like tuxedos and stuff, you know, really? And again, the blazing sun. It's crazy, man. The professionalism shines through though, you know, they. They didn't start taking it off. It's the show. So. So they hung in there.
• 11:26
  Speaker C: They sweat for the show.
• 11:27
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's. You can use the handkerchief more, you know, the, the. The dabbing of the forehead. You have to putting it back in the pocket.
• 11:35
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:38
  Speaker A: What else, what else is going on? You ever. You have tenants, Manny? You ever have tenants who, who just don't pay their rent for one month and go, ah, you know, I thought I was gonna.
• 11:48
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we just got rid of one.
• 11:49
  Speaker A: Yeah. So. So do they. They think you're supposed to carry them for some period of time. It's like, oh, man, I was supposed to work and I didn't come through and I can't pay the rent.
• 12:00
  Speaker C: I'm not my problem.
• 12:01
  Speaker A: That's your problem, Right? It's like, don't you have family, friends.
• 12:04
  Speaker B: Signed an agreement and honor it if you don't get out?
• 12:08
  Speaker A: Right? So you, you, you. These people leave voluntarily in that situation? Or you have.
• 12:13
  Speaker B: Well, no, we had to evict this.
• 12:14
  Speaker A: Really? Is that the only person you've had to evict?
• 12:17
  Speaker B: Yeah, as far as I can remember, we've always had, you know, I guess, you know, you get a bad seed every 10 years or something like that.
• 12:25
  Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know.
• 12:26
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 12:27
  Speaker B: But this woman, I think she was a professional at not paying her rent, and her name was Blanche.
• 12:35
  Speaker A: Okay. Like Blanche dubois.
• 12:37
  Speaker B: Yeah. And I actually got to use that line to her when she came up with trying to nickel and dime me about a month's rent. And I said, but you are Blanche. You are responsible for this. I got to say, that line, it went right over her head.
• 12:54
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
• 12:55
  Speaker C: Did you ask her if she relies on the kindness of strangers?
• 13:00
  Speaker B: That's a different movie.
• 13:03
  Speaker A: She probably wouldn't have gotten that.
• 13:04
  Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think she would have gotten that, either. Well, every time I hear that line, I think that's a stupid thing to do. Relying the kindness of strangers. That's got to be. That's from Streetcar Natives. Higher.
• 13:16
  Speaker C: Oh, okay.
• 13:17
  Speaker B: But you are Blanche's. Whatever happened to Baby Jane?
• 13:20
  Speaker C: Oh, okay. That's why.
• 13:22
  Speaker A: Oh, right.
• 13:22
  Speaker C: I'm confused.
• 13:23
  Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So, no, I always thought that line was weird. Why would you rely on the kindness of strangers? It's not a good thing because they don't have rent. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. They want something from you, you know, but so, you know, we're getting on in our years. We're in our 60s now.
• 13:40
  Speaker A: Yep.
• 13:41
  Speaker B: And I. I read. I read the New England Journal of Medicine a lot.
• 13:46
  Speaker C: I read that.
• 13:47
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 13:47
  Speaker B: And I saw this fabulous article, and I think it's so true for people our age, is that it said that people our age should start fart walking, you know, because we have a lot of gas and we need to pass it, you know, and the best thing to do is to always take a walk after a meal.
• 14:09
  Speaker A: Okay. You know, they'll call it the evening constitutional.
• 14:14
  Speaker B: Apparently, it helps stimulate everything.
• 14:17
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 14:17
  Speaker B: You know, because I know, you know, we all get gas at our age. We get a lot of gas, and sometimes you just got to let it go.
• 14:26
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, I guess, you know, if you have that issue, it's good to be outside somewhere, away from people.
• 14:30
  Speaker B: Fart walking helps you get rid of it. It's good for digestion, and it stimulates the bowels. It's good for the blood sugar. And after reading this article, I thought, well, it'd be fun. So I ate a whole can of beans, a whole can of refried beans.
• 14:50
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 14:51
  Speaker B: And I walked around and then I bought a ticket to Vegas.
• 14:56
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 14:56
  Speaker B: I got on this plane and I don't know if I was physically healed or not, but my mental health was good on this plane. So, you know, get out there and walk, people. Seniors like us, we've got to get out there and walk. Get that gas out, because you don't want it happening while you're sleeping, you know, under the covers and stuff like that. Or when you're home watching a movie. You don't want that kind of.
• 15:22
  Speaker A: Sure, sure, sure.
• 15:23
  Speaker B: Because everyone farts.
• 15:24
  Speaker A: That's. That's a private.
• 15:25
  Speaker B: It's like everyone poops.
• 15:27
  Speaker A: Private business to take care of.
• 15:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 15:29
  Speaker A: On your own.
• 15:29
  Speaker B: So get out there and fart walk people.
• 15:31
  Speaker A: Okay?
• 15:32
  Speaker B: It's gonna be. It's something. You need to do it as you get in your. In your 60s. This is what that journal told me.
• 15:39
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 15:40
  Speaker B: You know, so. All right, that's good.
• 15:43
  Speaker A: All right. Well, that's. That's about all I have. I don't need to go into any more details about my gigs, which went fantastic. Which you don't want to hear about.
• 15:51
  Speaker B: Yeah, I want to hear about trouble.
• 15:53
  Speaker A: You know, I don't play any gigs where everybody sets himself on fire and people start shooting at each other. I mean, if that happens, I'll talk about it on the podcast. But. But for now, maybe we should get to our guests.
• 16:04
  Speaker B: Sure.
• 16:05
  Speaker A: Okay. This is a terrific guest. He has a Snake and Jake's tie in here. He's a terrific songwriter, singer, guitar player, artist, painter. He's released a whole bunch of solo records as well as records with his band Varna, Lean and Space Needle. Also done several collaborative albums with Jay Farrar from Uncle Tupelo and Son Volt. His most recent album is the Black flight from 2023. And yes, he's currently doing a Sunday residency at Snake and Jake's Christmas Club lounge here every 7 o' clock to 8:30 every Sunday, and just has a recently opened show at Nolan Accular Gallery of all of his oil paintings. And we're going to get into all that and more. But without further ado, the great Mr. Anders Parker. Welcome, Anders.
• 16:59
  Speaker C: Hey. Hey. Thanks for having me.
• 17:00
  Speaker A: Yeah, man.
• 17:01
  Speaker C: Yeah. Good to see you. Here. My office.
• 17:03
  Speaker A: Right, right. Well, it's our office too. Or we. We have. We hold office hours on different days.
• 17:10
  Speaker C: Yeah, I guess so.
• 17:11
  Speaker A: But. Yeah, so you're. Now I have to come into your office office hours because I haven't been able to catch your Sunday show. But. But I hear great things about it, man.
• 17:19
  Speaker C: Well, professional hazard, you Got other things to do.
• 17:23
  Speaker A: Sometimes, you know, it's. If I've been. Been out on Saturday and you know, had some congratulatory post gig drinks and I gotta come here on Tuesday, I feel like, ah, can't really afford another night in Snake and James.
• 17:36
  Speaker C: No, you don't have to explain to me. I know all too well what you're.
• 17:38
  Speaker A: Saying, but I hear great things. So you're playing just solo there and I believe when you first were doing it, you told me that you were like trying to write a new song every week to, to debut at Snake and Jake's.
• 17:53
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I've been. I pretty much stuck to it except for this last week was the first one where I didn't. But my goal is to bring. Get a new song for every every week.
• 18:04
  Speaker A: Nice, man.
• 18:05
  Speaker C: I've got a whole bunch of backlog, you know, songs that are anywhere from almost finished to nowhere near finished. I mean it's pretty, it's low stakes here in a very good way. So I might just have it in very skeletal ideas and I'll pull it out and bring it along. So it's been fun.
• 18:24
  Speaker A: Nice. Nice. And during the Jazz Fest, we had in fact a show that Manny mentioned, the poster of which was that garden party that was private, but by invitation only. And then you're invited, but you're invited to buy a ticket. So a lot of people did take us up on the invitation. Buy a ticket. And you. It was a loose cattle show and you opened the show for us.
• 18:47
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker A: And you did it as a solo performance, but playing electric guitar, which I love the, the solo electric guitar where you're singing and you're accompanying yourself. But you know, that kind of real quiet setting, you can really hear all the texture of the, the amplifier, the effects that you're using and all my clams. Well, no, I don't notice those. I mean it's. And, and just the, the, the complexity of the kind of guitar stuff you're doing. You know, you, you do a lot of, you know, I was listening to your records. You use a lot of like, kind of Joni Mitchell style, some like suspensions in the, in your voicings and stuff.
• 19:27
  Speaker C: And Yeah, a lot of, A lot of open tunings.
• 19:29
  Speaker A: Right.
• 19:30
  Speaker C: I do that. And when I was talking to Michael about the gig, I realized that the PA probably wasn't going to be robust enough for acoustic guitar. So I decided I would do it with electric, which was nice. I actually have. I've been playing acoustic here, which I love. But I also love playing electric, so. Yeah, that was fun.
• 19:49
  Speaker A: Yeah, I love hearing electric, like I say, in that solo setting, like.
• 19:52
  Speaker C: Yeah, for sure.
• 19:53
  Speaker A: Well, let's go back a little bit and get some. Some background on you. So you're not from New Orleans?
• 19:59
  Speaker C: I am definitely not.
• 20:00
  Speaker A: Okay, well. So where'd you grow up?
• 20:02
  Speaker C: I grew up outside. Well, in the Hudson Valley of New York.
• 20:06
  Speaker A: Oh, it's beautiful up there.
• 20:07
  Speaker C: It sure is beautiful up there. Yeah. Outside of Poughkeepsie, in a little town called lagrange.
• 20:12
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 20:13
  Speaker C: Not the ZZ Top.
• 20:14
  Speaker A: Right, Right. Yeah. It's a little bit different flavor.
• 20:18
  Speaker C: It is a little different flavor.
• 20:20
  Speaker A: Texas.
• 20:20
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker C: Not too much. Ow, ow, ow.
• 20:23
  Speaker A: Right, sure. So you had mom and dad, family, brothers and sisters growing up there?
• 20:30
  Speaker C: Yeah, mom and dad. My mom was from Sweden and my dad was from Canada.
• 20:34
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 20:35
  Speaker C: Through Vermont. And then how'd they wind up in.
• 20:38
  Speaker A: The US Running from the law?
• 20:41
  Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much. You know, the Sweden. A lot of crime there. My mom came over to be an au pair and then just never left. She was, like, 19 or 20. And then my dad, you know, it was back in the day where you get a job out of college and you had that job for your whole life. So he worked for IBM, which was bigger around there.
• 21:00
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 21:01
  Speaker C: Ended up there. And he was. He was musical. Played guitar and played piano and always encouraged us. So they bought an old farm, and that's where we lived while he worked at IBM.
• 21:13
  Speaker A: Okay. So y' all have, like, family band kind of thing?
• 21:17
  Speaker C: Not so much. My brother and I did later on. My sister played violin, but never really stuck. My brother and I kind of caught the bug, you know, pretty early, so.
• 21:26
  Speaker B: Were there chickens on this farm?
• 21:29
  Speaker C: There were horses. No chickens. There was a guy down the street who had chickens and pigs and goats.
• 21:34
  Speaker B: Horses.
• 21:35
  Speaker C: Yeah. Ponies.
• 21:36
  Speaker B: Ponies.
• 21:37
  Speaker C: Ponies. Dogs, cats.
• 21:39
  Speaker B: What did you do with the ponies?
• 21:41
  Speaker C: I wrote them.
• 21:42
  Speaker B: You just rode the ponies? But they never grew up.
• 21:44
  Speaker C: They never grew up. They were. They were stunted.
• 21:47
  Speaker B: Really? How many ponies did you have?
• 21:50
  Speaker C: One time we had three. Three.
• 21:52
  Speaker B: All right. Yeah, I had a horse once.
• 21:54
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah?
• 21:54
  Speaker B: Down in Mexico. Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker C: Oh, wow.
• 21:56
  Speaker B: Grandfather bought it for me.
• 21:57
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker B: Got hit by a truck. It died.
• 22:00
  Speaker C: Oh, no.
• 22:01
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker C: That's no good.
• 22:02
  Speaker A: Sad story.
• 22:03
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:03
  Speaker C: Did you ride?
• 22:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, I rode it until it died, sure.
• 22:07
  Speaker A: Yeah. You didn't ride it after it got hit?
• 22:09
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker C: I. I figured not.
• 22:11
  Speaker B: I dream of becoming a jockey one year, but I never.
• 22:15
  Speaker C: I never did that.
• 22:16
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker A: You're. You're A little bit large.
• 22:19
  Speaker C: Yeah. A little bit. Little bit. A little bit over the height.
• 22:22
  Speaker B: A pony jockey.
• 22:24
  Speaker A: I don't know.
• 22:25
  Speaker B: You know, they have those races.
• 22:27
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker B: Big people on little animals. Really small people on big animals.
• 22:32
  Speaker A: Kind of a novelty.
• 22:33
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker A: Races grab their circus.
• 22:36
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker B: You ever go to the circus?
• 22:39
  Speaker C: You know, not. Not really. I never really. I mean, I've.
• 22:42
  Speaker B: Maybe the circus never came to town in your town, in your.
• 22:46
  Speaker C: The Duchess County Fair was every late summer.
• 22:51
  Speaker B: Now, who is this Duchess?
• 22:53
  Speaker C: Duchess is the. You guys have parishes down here?
• 22:57
  Speaker B: We have.
• 22:57
  Speaker C: We have counties up there.
• 22:58
  Speaker B: Yeah, sure.
• 22:59
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 22:59
  Speaker A: Everywhere outside of so county.
• 23:01
  Speaker C: You know, Harvest fair is basically all up in the northeast, you know, so who's got the biggest pumpkin? Who's got the biggest pig? You know, the biggest pony?
• 23:11
  Speaker A: Now, now, on the farm, did you keep donkeys or have a donkey?
• 23:17
  Speaker C: Nope, did not.
• 23:18
  Speaker A: Because, you know, I. I've. I didn't understand this until recently, but I find it fascinating that a lot of people will. That have a farm will keep a donkey because donkeys are natural. You know, they. They ward off wolves or coyotes, rather. So, like, a donkey will fuck up a coyote big time, you know, and they're like natural enemies. And so.
• 23:42
  Speaker B: So will electric fences.
• 23:44
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 23:45
  Speaker B: They'll do that, too, to those coyotes.
• 23:47
  Speaker C: You got to have pretty. Pretty robust electric fences to keep coyotes.
• 23:51
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker A: But those. Those donkeys, man, they'll. They grab them with their teeth and they slam them on the ground.
• 23:57
  Speaker C: Yeah, I believe it.
• 23:58
  Speaker A: And then they. They stomp on with their feet. And the coyotes know that stuff, so they don't want to fuck with a donkey.
• 24:04
  Speaker C: I lived up in the Catskills for a while, and the coyotes would come around late at night, and I'd be laying in bed at like, midnight or one and awake, and you could just. All sudden, they'd be outside, and like 10 of them would just start howling all at once and then become silent at the same time and then just take off. It was really awesome. But also kind of spooky, too.
• 24:27
  Speaker A: Right, right, right. Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker B: You know, back in California, I heard this story. The coyotes, the female coyote would be in heat, and all the male coyotes would come around and they, you know, they. They do it.
• 24:44
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 24:44
  Speaker B: To keep doing it. And then what. The part of the thing was, after the female did it with all the males, the female would go into town, still having that smell on her, that heat on her, and she'd get all the local neighborhood dogs all fired up, and she'd lead all these stray dogs to the male coyotes and Then the male coyotes would eat the dogs.
• 25:10
  Speaker A: Oh, man. They had a whole system going.
• 25:13
  Speaker B: Oh, it was a system, man. I never heard dog eat dog. Wolf eat dog.
• 25:17
  Speaker A: Right, right.
• 25:19
  Speaker C: Maybe a dog. Dog ate a wolf at some point too.
• 25:21
  Speaker B: Well, maybe one of them got brave enough or, you know, mad enough. You can't trust women, man. That's the moral of that story, you know. You can't trust them.
• 25:32
  Speaker A: Oh, man. Oh man.
• 25:33
  Speaker B: You know, they'll bang and they'll bang and then they think you're your friend and they'll bang someone else, man.
• 25:39
  Speaker A: And then that the other person eats you.
• 25:41
  Speaker C: Prove that, you know.
• 25:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker C: Guy shouldn't follow his around.
• 25:46
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 25:46
  Speaker C: Yeah. There you go. There you go. But trouble.
• 25:48
  Speaker B: Well, don't think with your. Is the.
• 25:51
  Speaker A: That's what we're trying to say.
• 25:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker A: Well, so back to the farm. So. So are you. Your musical training is just from your father and. And playing music with your brother. So you're like learning from records and stuff?
• 26:03
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I played saxophone first.
• 26:06
  Speaker A: Okay. That was my first instrument.
• 26:07
  Speaker C: Really? Yeah. In grade school. Yeah. And I wish that I had kept it up, but I didn't. I really wanted to play drums, so I played drums in like middle school and high school.
• 26:17
  Speaker A: That's a good grounding for anyone, you know, for sure. Nobody great has bad time.
• 26:23
  Speaker C: Totally.
• 26:24
  Speaker A: There's no great singers who have bad time. There's no great musician that plays any instrument that doesn't have good time.
• 26:31
  Speaker C: Correct. Correct. I agree with you.
• 26:33
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 26:34
  Speaker C: So I took lessons from this guy who was an old. He was like a New York City kind of like jazz guy, but like second or third tier. Really nice guy. But he smoked all the time when he played and he was really hit a twitch. Really nice guy. So I took lessons for him from him for about a year and then everybody started leaving their guitars over at the house because we practiced at my parents house. So I would. Everybody would leave and I would hitch up all the pedals and the amplifiers and just make giant. Giant feedback and noise sounds. And that was kind of how I started to get into guitar and went from there. But yeah, I just learned from friends.
• 27:14
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 27:15
  Speaker C: Learned how to tune a guitar. You know, I used to tune to Dinosaur junior Song.
• 27:20
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker C: Was. Was kind of my. I knew there was an E in one of the chords.
• 27:23
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 27:24
  Speaker C: So I was like. I would go to that and get the guitar in tune and play along. But yeah, all the. On the lp, lifting up the. Lifting up the needle and going back.
• 27:33
  Speaker A: And forth one note at a time.
• 27:35
  Speaker C: Yep.
• 27:35
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so. So you had. In high school, you had a band that. Were y' all playing around in town or.
• 27:42
  Speaker C: Yeah, there's a whole bunch of us that kind of had a revolving cast of characters that all kind of played together. And first I played drums and that and then. But I was always. Kind of knew that I wanted to write music, so. Or be original bands. So pretty soon started playing original bands with friends and then started writing terrible songs, you know.
• 28:05
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 28:06
  Speaker C: And then they gotta start somewhere. Yeah. And I still, you know, maybe write some terrible songs and it happens. Just keep on doing it, you know.
• 28:14
  Speaker A: Yeah. If you. If you've ever written a good one, you could. You could do it again.
• 28:17
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And if you've ever been a terrible one, you can definitely do it again.
• 28:21
  Speaker A: Well, sure. Yeah. You know, that. That's gonna.
• 28:23
  Speaker C: That's.
• 28:23
  Speaker A: That's. That's par for the course now, man. Hudson Valley is a big musical community up there now. I know. I mean, tons of musicians in that. That. That whole area. Was. Was that the case then? Do you have a lot of people that had come out of New York and kind of retired up there?
• 28:37
  Speaker C: Yeah, kind of. But, I mean, I. I kind of left around college. I mean, I kind of bopped back and forth, but I kind of started moving around pretty quick.
• 28:46
  Speaker A: Right.
• 28:46
  Speaker C: Like, the band was. The band was from there. So when I was a young kid, I remember, you know, hearing stories about them. I had, like, friends, my parents, who kind of knew, you know, vaguely knew them, like, didn't really know them, but, you know, I would hear stories about all those folks, and then, you know, like, Jack DeJeanette lives up there and, you know, Tony Levin and all. Right, now there's a gazillion people who live up there.
• 29:10
  Speaker A: Right, right, right. My friend Malcolm Byrne, his place up there is, you know.
• 29:15
  Speaker C: Exactly.
• 29:16
  Speaker A: A lot of other people, too. Yeah. I guess it's close enough to New York, but still woodsy and beautiful and.
• 29:22
  Speaker C: For sure. And there's, you know, Woodstock was always an artist community, even before the.
• 29:28
  Speaker A: Right.
• 29:28
  Speaker C: The whole thing, you know, for better or for worse.
• 29:31
  Speaker A: Right. So. So you go to college? Where'd you go to college?
• 29:35
  Speaker C: Oh, man, I had a checkered college career.
• 29:37
  Speaker A: You're in the right place.
• 29:40
  Speaker B: What were the name of your ponies?
• 29:43
  Speaker C: The first one was Sundance that my dad named after the mo. You know, from the movie and then Leaving Las Vegas.
• 29:52
  Speaker B: The movie?
• 29:53
  Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the. The. That tragic story about the drunk horse.
• 29:57
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker C: Drunk pony, actually, I should say. And then Beauty, which I Think my sister named, but I'm not quite sure.
• 30:07
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker C: And the third one, I don't even know if I can.
• 30:11
  Speaker B: Did you watch the Kentucky Derby this past Saturday?
• 30:14
  Speaker C: No.
• 30:15
  Speaker B: It was a crazy race because it was pouring rain.
• 30:19
  Speaker C: Oh.
• 30:20
  Speaker B: And they had 20 horses, which is way too many horses. Yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker A: Big field, huh?
• 30:25
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's a huge field. But the two favorites finish one and two.
• 30:31
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 30:31
  Speaker C: You know, that's kind of unusual, isn't it?
• 30:34
  Speaker B: Well, on a muddy track, maybe. Yeah. But as far, I always think you should have 12 horses and, and that's it. But everyone tries to enter these horses because it's such a big purse.
• 30:50
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker B: And so they had 20 horses and on a muddy track. The only, the thing, I was watching it and the whole race, it's like a minute and a half race. You just don't want anyone to, to fall.
• 31:01
  Speaker C: Yeah, that was going to be the question.
• 31:03
  Speaker B: It's just a horrible, horrible situation and stuff. And the announcer of the, of the Kentucky Derby, he had to draw right before the race was about to start. Apparently he got an allergic reaction to something he ate before the race and he had to dismiss himself. So some, some total unknown had to take over and do the play by play call. Know he did a pretty good job.
• 31:27
  Speaker A: All right.
• 31:28
  Speaker B: You know, but it was weird to see the Kentucky Derby with pouring rain, cuz all those women with the hats.
• 31:33
  Speaker A: Right.
• 31:34
  Speaker B: You know, they had them covered with plastic.
• 31:36
  Speaker C: Yeah. Isn't that the whole thing about the Kentucky Derby? It's the pageantry of the whole thing.
• 31:41
  Speaker B: Yeah. The pageantry race. It's a sport of kings.
• 31:47
  Speaker C: I had a friend, he just passed away, but he was.
• 31:49
  Speaker B: Because I've always told Renee, I think during Jazz Fest they should have the races going on.
• 31:54
  Speaker C: That's what I said to somebody.
• 31:55
  Speaker B: Yeah, they should have going on. It would make it so much more fun. I would actually go.
• 32:00
  Speaker A: Yeah, you got to see that.
• 32:02
  Speaker B: I would go to see that.
• 32:03
  Speaker C: What would you bet on, though?
• 32:04
  Speaker B: I would bet on over under 10 deaths. A race.
• 32:08
  Speaker A: Right, right, right. Some kind of parlay.
• 32:10
  Speaker B: Yeah. You know, that's what I would bet.
• 32:12
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's, that's what I was thinking too.
• 32:14
  Speaker B: Just we got to get Quint Davis on. We'll talk to him about that.
• 32:17
  Speaker A: I, I a couple of times.
• 32:19
  Speaker B: Get him on this.
• 32:20
  Speaker A: All right, all right.
• 32:22
  Speaker B: Before he dies.
• 32:23
  Speaker A: Oh, well, you know, we're all, we're all on a limited timeline, so. Yes, it's Time is of the essence. Manny. Well, well. So, so, Anders. So you're going to college. Are you still Playing music during this time. How do, how do you wind up starting your first band? Now, now the band Varna Lean, is that. Is that. Am I saying that correctly?
• 32:43
  Speaker C: You got it.
• 32:43
  Speaker A: Okay, now that's. That's basically like you with. With some other guys when you need them. Right? But yeah, it was kind of a band name of that you were operating under initially, right?
• 32:57
  Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:58
  Speaker B: Sounds like my drug dealers. They're my friends when I need them. Right.
• 33:03
  Speaker C: What's that?
• 33:06
  Speaker A: Well, tell us how you. How you wound up starting Varnalane.
• 33:11
  Speaker C: I get. I'd made a few records that I was. I was never really happy with. You know, I went to real studios and.
• 33:18
  Speaker A: Okay, so you'd already had. You've been writing songs for a long time?
• 33:21
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Or not a long. Yeah, I guess for a while. And you know that thing when you first go into studio and you know what, don't know what the hell you're doing. And I would hear stuff back and be like this isn't what it's supposed to sound like, you know. And. And so I got a. I always had a four track. But then I realized that the things I was making on my four track I liked better than the things I was making in a so called real studio.
• 33:45
  Speaker A: Four track cassette machine.
• 33:47
  Speaker C: Exactly. Yeah. So I started. I was living in Oregon. Portland, Oregon. And what were you doing out there?
• 33:54
  Speaker A: I was hiding from the law.
• 33:56
  Speaker C: That and I was. I was a bartender. Okay, so a bartender musician, you know, playing around town writing songs.
• 34:04
  Speaker B: When was this?
• 34:05
  Speaker C: This was in the early 90s.
• 34:07
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 34:08
  Speaker C: Yeah. Kind of before I should have bought a house there.
• 34:11
  Speaker B: Is it true? Cuz I've always heard this and I think it's true. Portland has the most strip clubs per capita of any city in the US.
• 34:18
  Speaker C: I've heard something like that. Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker B: It's amazing cuz when we did gigs in Portland a few times you'd walk into a bar like at you know, eight in the morning and it might be a bar half the size of this, but. But they'd have a girl at the pole. Yeah, yeah. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah. And it's true then?
• 34:37
  Speaker C: As far as I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker B: I think that's fact.
• 34:39
  Speaker C: I. I heard the same. I don't know if it's compared to Vegas or what it is, but definitely.
• 34:45
  Speaker B: The side per capita. That's what they said. And first for sure. I've been to Portland quite a few times. Yeah, I think it's true and I don't know what it. I mean this was back in the late 80s and early 90s, when I used to go there a lot.
• 34:56
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker B: I don't know what it's like now.
• 34:58
  Speaker C: It's very different. I don't know. I think there's still a lot of strip clubs, but I know it's. It's changed a lot of other ways. I mean, I don't know, but sure, I. I heard. I definitely heard that fact or alleged fact before.
• 35:14
  Speaker B: What bar did you work at?
• 35:15
  Speaker C: I worked for McMinimans. You know them. They're like one of the original, like, microbrewery places. But their big thing, which they. Which is really cool, actually, is that they would buy historic buildings that were kind of in disrepair or being, you know, underfunded or whatever, and they rehab all these places. So they built, and now they have venues and they have old bars. They occupy an old school. They're kind of.
• 35:44
  Speaker B: I remember there was this one club, a theater. I forget what it was called. Maybe it was like an Orpheum or something like that. But we were opening for the Smithereens in the early 90s, and it was the funniest thing because it was an 18 and over club. So they had this, like, right down the floor, they had this velvet rope divided. Yeah. The 18 under 18, you know, and then the over 21 would be on one side.
• 36:11
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 36:12
  Speaker B: It was the strangest thing because I did a show with me and another frontman, and we were like a Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin type of act.
• 36:20
  Speaker C: And before the Smithereens.
• 36:22
  Speaker B: Yeah, we opened for the Smithereens. Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker C: Oh, As a comedy duo.
• 36:25
  Speaker B: It was a punk rock comedy show.
• 36:27
  Speaker C: Oh, cool.
• 36:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, like a lounge. Lounge. Lounge meets punk.
• 36:30
  Speaker C: All right.
• 36:31
  Speaker B: Anyway, Run out on stage. I didn't know about this until I read out on stage and the whole place was over 21. And so half the room was. This was packed. The other half was like 12 people. So my side of the stage, because I was stage, I was working with 12 kids. Well, my partner was working with a full house. But it was. I forget the name of that place was there. Was there.
• 36:58
  Speaker C: I.
• 36:59
  Speaker A: For.
• 36:59
  Speaker B: I can't remember.
• 37:00
  Speaker C: I mean, there's a bunch of. I played a. I played a gig like that at the Crystal Ballroom where they did the same thing. They had a. Like a walkway barrier between. Right down the center of it. So the. And in the front of the stage. And I think it was the same thing. I think it was 18 and over.
• 37:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker C: And it was really weird because you had security guys walking a tee, you know, right in front of the stage. And then in between the crowd. And that place had one of those ballroom floors too, that kind of bounce.
• 37:26
  Speaker A: Which was kind of cool. Well, so getting back to you with the. With the four tracks. So you start doing stuff just at your house.
• 37:33
  Speaker C: I had a little apartment in there where I could smell the Henry Weinhardt Brewery, which used to be in town. You could smell the malt.
• 37:42
  Speaker B: Ah, I used to love Henry Wein.
• 37:43
  Speaker C: Yeah, it was good. So, yeah, I just started making. Started making recordings there. And then my buddy who was still on the east coast, had started that band, Space Needle. And so what happened is we played together. We traveled to Alaska together and played in the band and played all around New York area.
• 38:05
  Speaker A: What brought you to Alaska?
• 38:07
  Speaker C: We got this idea that we were going to drive to Alaska from New York. We had a friend who worked in a cannery up there. So a bunch of us decided we're going to do that and we decided we were going to bring all our band equipment. So we all loaded into a.
• 38:20
  Speaker B: That's good money at those canneries.
• 38:23
  Speaker C: It was like the worst season in like 25 years. Yeah, the. The fishery service basically shut down a lot of the fisheries because a lot.
• 38:32
  Speaker B: Of speed freaks at those.
• 38:33
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, a lot of speed freaks.
• 38:35
  Speaker B: A lot of cokeheads and speed.
• 38:37
  Speaker C: Definitely people that were. Definitely people that were on the run from the law. Yeah, I met a guy who. The only time he'd left Alaska was to go to Vietnam. So he was. He was.
• 38:47
  Speaker B: Interesting change of scenery.
• 38:48
  Speaker C: Yeah, it was definitely. It was fun. It was definitely hairy.
• 38:54
  Speaker A: So was that Varnaline?
• 38:56
  Speaker C: No, that was that kind of group. It was kind of a. The kind of amalgamation of those people. I kind of knew from. From high school and then from college. Kind of a bunch of additional people, so.
• 39:08
  Speaker A: But you wound up putting out like five records is under the Varnley name. Huh. And y' all toured?
• 39:13
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, we toured a lot and put out, yeah, five records. Three of those were pretty much just me and then two of them were full on band recordings and proper studios.
• 39:24
  Speaker B: Right?
• 39:25
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker A: Now the. The aesthetic of the stuff that you did by yourself, you know, it has that like that handmade music kind of quality, you know, where you can feel that the person's not under the gun of the clock and that it's just a very handcrafted, kind of precious product that comes out. You know, it feels very personal. I mean, was that the part of the attraction?
• 39:51
  Speaker C: I think the thing about a lot of those songs was that I would record them right as I was writing them. So it has that kind of, you know, and there was no grid. There was no click. I mean, I use a click sometimes, but it was very. It was very immediate, you know, so there was kind of like, sometimes the songs were even really finished and I would still just go for it, you know, so it has that thing.
• 40:16
  Speaker A: There's something about recordings that you make quickly that you don't, you know, work the life out of that when you listen to them later on, they're so much. They sound so much fresher and so much.
• 40:31
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker A: Easier to listen to than something that you really labored over. For me, you know, for sure.
• 40:37
  Speaker C: I think there's. That. There's that whole thing about catching the magic, you know, which is. It really is. It's so easy to beat down in the studio, you know, because you just even. You know, even prior to being on the grid and being on the computer, you can. You can just overanalyze, you know, And I. I like. You realize all your favorite recordings have all sorts of fucking mistakes in them and people singing off key and, you know, weird notes and stuff, and that's. That, to me, is part of the. You know, it's not. It's not the reason I like it, but it's part of the reason it's so compelling, because it feels like that, you know, it feels. Feels like a real performance, you know.
• 41:19
  Speaker A: Right. There's excitement to it.
• 41:20
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker A: The molecules are moving around. You can feel the adrenaline and people getting excited about doing something right right now. At some point, you meet Jay Farrar and. And wind up doing some collaborations with him. How. How does that come about? Jay Farrar. Great. From. From Sun Volt. Who. Who now? I. They came to New Orleans this year, and that was the first time I'd gotten to see them live. It may have been because of you that I got in okay. Now that I. I'm thinking about it, but. What a great band, man.
• 41:51
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're. They're a killer band. I met Jay asked Varnaling to open up some shows, and I can't really recall how that happened, but we got a call and we ended up doing like, you know, as one is. It was in the time when we would go out and do like a month of shows, you know, right. Straight in a van and drive all around the country. You were young, you young and, you know, I don't. Do people do that anymore? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe they do.
• 42:23
  Speaker A: I'm not sure they. They do, but it's. It's A lot harder. You know, I just asked you a question that has a big, whole tale to it. But, but I'm looking at the clock and I'm looking at our drinks and actually we should take a break now.
• 42:35
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 42:35
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker C: All right.
• 42:36
  Speaker B: Nation knows what to do. We'll be right back.
• 42:40
  Speaker C: I'm heading for the action I'm looking for a fight I need my satisfaction Want to shoot out all the lights no matter what you to do don't you let them get you down I'm pushing all the power Going all the.
• 43:35
  Speaker A: Way.
• 43:43
  Speaker C: We come upon the hour It'll be my finest day no matter what you do don't you let them get you down.
• 44:08
  Speaker A: And we're back. Back with Mr. Manny Chevrolet. I am Renee Coleman, back with our guest, Mr. Anders Parker. Now I know you have never listened to this program before, Anders, so you may be unaware, but are listening.
• 44:22
  Speaker B: You're not alone.
• 44:23
  Speaker A: Yeah, you're not alone. You're in the majority. And, but our listeners know that this is a listener supported operation and we have a couple of links, a PayPal link and a Venmo link in the show notes of every show as well as in the, the Facebook posts. And our listeners, you know, send money in to buy cocktails for us, keep us in notebooks and ink pens. And this week we had been a bit of a dry spell for us. But thanks, I think the worm is turning and because we had a couple of people. So give a shout out to Annalee Mintz who used that Venmo link and Patrick Corrigan who used the PayPal link.
• 45:07
  Speaker C: So they're nice.
• 45:08
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. They're both firing away.
• 45:10
  Speaker C: It is a Give Nola.
• 45:11
  Speaker A: It's Give Nola day, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'll be give up. No give up, Noah. But so you know, anywhere.
• 45:20
  Speaker B: Right, right.
• 45:20
  Speaker A: We're, we're staying put. So yes, please avail yourself of those links. Also we have a Patreon page and a handful of patrons that are supporting us week in and week out. We love you. Thank you. Join their.
• 45:33
  Speaker B: Now, is that a tax write off for them?
• 45:36
  Speaker A: Probably not. But, but I'm, I'm not a tax attorney, so I can't really say I'm not a cpa. But sure, why not? I think with the way the government is firing employees, I think you could pretty much get away with anything this year.
• 45:49
  Speaker C: I was going to say now's the time to write it off.
• 45:53
  Speaker A: So also, so the, the Patreon link, also we have a Troubleman podcast T shirts link is there in the show notes as well. So, you know, get those for your family. You'll. You won't regret it. Also, what. Follow us on social media, Instagram, Facebook and like, review and subscribe to the podcast wherever you're listening to it. Give us five stars. Cost you. Nothing helps us a lot. And I'll be going out and doing some dates with the Iguanas. You can find those dates on iguanas.com and. And the link for my Renee Komen Facebook page page has all the rest of my. My gig dates and plug Anders thing, which is happening right now. Great. Anders Parker, our guest is. Has a show, ongoing show at nolanacular, which is a fantastic art gallery on Magazine street in the Lower garden district at 1172 Magazine Street. It's. It's owned and operated by our former guest, Anthony Del Rosario from Turducken Productions and many other things, many other art projects. He has a great. That's a great venue, don't you think, Anders?
• 47:13
  Speaker C: I love it. And Anthony's a really sweet, sweet human being.
• 47:17
  Speaker A: Anthony's the best, man. He's someone who is always working at something positive, always something artistic.
• 47:24
  Speaker C: Yep.
• 47:25
  Speaker A: He does the printing. Really cool guy. And then turns those shows over. I mean, he's. He's always got a cool show at Nolan Accular.
• 47:34
  Speaker C: Yeah. And I'm playing one on the 22nd.
• 47:38
  Speaker A: Right.
• 47:38
  Speaker C: Of this month.
• 47:39
  Speaker A: Well, I meant shows. Like art shows.
• 47:40
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, that too. That too. And he does music shows pretty regularly as well.
• 47:44
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. He'll have them in conjunction. So you have a big oil pan painting show there?
• 47:49
  Speaker C: Yep, I do right now.
• 47:51
  Speaker A: Well, and. And then you're also playing a live date, and I think it's May 22nd.
• 47:56
  Speaker C: That's correct.
• 47:57
  Speaker A: That you're playing there. Anders and David Dundero. Is that how you say his name?
• 48:02
  Speaker C: I believe so.
• 48:03
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 48:03
  Speaker C: I believe so.
• 48:04
  Speaker A: I'm not familiar with him, but that sounds like a cool thing to go to. I've been to several of those. Those events over there. Anyway, so. So keep that in mind. And also, uh, you know, keep in mind Anders over here every Sunday at Snake and Jake's Christmas Club Lounge in the heart of the Clampire.
• 48:21
  Speaker B: Now, do you play here indoors or outdoors?
• 48:24
  Speaker C: Indoors. Right behind you there.
• 48:25
  Speaker A: Yeah. Playing right there in the corner.
• 48:26
  Speaker C: Yep.
• 48:27
  Speaker A: Nice.
• 48:27
  Speaker C: Right in front of the coffee table. Usually. Usually the dogs are on the couch.
• 48:32
  Speaker A: It's dogs.
• 48:33
  Speaker C: It's a good thing.
• 48:37
  Speaker A: Okay, well, that seems like enough.
• 48:39
  Speaker B: This is not a pony.
• 48:40
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or. Or a coyote. That'd be worse.
• 48:43
  Speaker C: Okay. Or A donkey.
• 48:44
  Speaker A: Well, donkeys, you know, donkeys are all right.
• 48:47
  Speaker C: If the coyotes were there, you'd want to have a donkey.
• 48:49
  Speaker A: You'd want to have a donkey, even, you know. I understand. Even miniature donkeys will up a coyote. Like, you don't have to have a full size one. Oh, yeah, yeah, Them up big time. All right, well, back to our guest, Mr. Anders Parker. So, I. I'm. I apologize. I cut you off. You. You were telling us about the great Jay Farrar and your association with him.
• 49:10
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah. So he asked Varnaline to play. So we did like something like a month of shows or. I can't remember. It was a long, long time.
• 49:21
  Speaker A: When he had Sunvault.
• 49:22
  Speaker C: Yeah, this was the second Sun Volt record, maybe, or third. I can't really remember. And then. And then I ended up doing some shows, acoustic shows. When he started doing acoustic sets. He plays with, you know, Mark Spencer.
• 49:38
  Speaker A: I know that name.
• 49:40
  Speaker C: Mark plays in Sunbolt. But he's kind of played with everybody. Really great, Great. Amazing guitar player, amazing bass player, amazing piano player. So they would do as a duo, and I would open for those guys, and we'd all travel together usually, and so just became friends. And then I ended up. We ended up making a record under the name Gob Iron, which was kind of an unintended. We were. I was supposed to go and help those guys with a Sun Volt record, but then that fell apart. So we ended up making this. Jay and I just kind of on a. Just made a folk record, like, in a couple days at his studio in. In. In St. Louis.
• 50:21
  Speaker B: So that was this.
• 50:23
  Speaker C: That was. Was.
• 50:25
  Speaker A: That was 2006.
• 50:27
  Speaker C: There you go.
• 50:28
  Speaker A: I have notes.
• 50:29
  Speaker B: Folk making a comeback, then?
• 50:31
  Speaker C: No, folks. Always making a comeback. Slash. Slash. Never making a comeback. Haven't you heard the news?
• 50:37
  Speaker A: Right?
• 50:37
  Speaker B: No, I don't read the news.
• 50:40
  Speaker C: Neither do I. Yeah. So we. So we did that, and then we toured for. We toured that some, and then we ended up making. As part of that, when we were in New York doing press, I think he went to the Woody Guthrie archive, right?
• 50:58
  Speaker A: Yes. I want to hear about this.
• 50:59
  Speaker C: Yeah. So he asked. He asked me, invited me along. And so we got to dig through all of Woody's original lyrics and artwork and stuff was pretty. It was pretty wild. And I would have just been psyched if I. If that had been the extent of it, you know, just to get to go through that stuff. But then we. We started talking, and he was like, oh, we should. We should. Because he had an offer from Nora, Woody's Woody's daughter, to use some lyrics, put music to it. So long standing, which he hadn't really taken up. So we ended up doing a whole bunch of recording over a year or two. And then we got Jim from My Morning Jacket, Jim James, and my buddy Will Johnson from Centromatic. And now, now he plays in.
• 51:52
  Speaker A: That's a cool band.
• 51:53
  Speaker C: Jason Isbell.
• 51:55
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker C: Jason is Jason Isbell's band. I'm bad with names.
• 52:00
  Speaker A: We all are.
• 52:01
  Speaker C: So. So we ended up. That ended up being a record called.
• 52:07
  Speaker A: New Multitudes.
• 52:08
  Speaker C: New Multitudes.
• 52:09
  Speaker A: I have all the. I have all the answers here.
• 52:12
  Speaker C: God damn. Can you follow me around and with you? Yeah, exactly.
• 52:17
  Speaker B: Yeah. What's his name again?
• 52:19
  Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
• 52:21
  Speaker A: Who am I?
• 52:22
  Speaker C: Who am I?
• 52:23
  Speaker A: Do you know who I am? No, I mean, really, you know my name?
• 52:26
  Speaker C: I do. I do, actually, Renee. But, you know, if you'd asked me maybe a week or two. Enough.
• 52:33
  Speaker A: No, it's like the guy that goes to the old folks homies. He's a politician. He goes anyway. I can't tell a joke.
• 52:41
  Speaker C: Okay?
• 52:41
  Speaker A: I'm not. I'm no Manny Chevrolet. So continue with your story about new multitudes.
• 52:47
  Speaker C: Yeah, so we ended up making a record of all those songs and under new multitudes, so. And then Jay and I have toured a bunch. Like I. I played with those guys with Sunville, whatever. That was two summers ago, I guess now. And I've done that before. Just open for those guys as a solo act usually. And. Yeah, so we've been friends and done some music together. Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker A: What?
• 53:14
  Speaker B: Roach?
• 53:15
  Speaker A: Oh, it's a cockroach. It's nothing new. He's crawling out through the crack. So we're all safe.
• 53:20
  Speaker C: Or in, in or out.
• 53:22
  Speaker A: In, out, in, out. Now how do you get to New Orleans?
• 53:27
  Speaker C: That is a very good question, Renee. That is a very good question. Yeah, I'm still trying to sort that out.
• 53:35
  Speaker A: Really? To be perfectly honest, not sure yourself.
• 53:40
  Speaker C: But here I am. It's been okay again. Running from the law, running from the New York general area. Basically had a couple kids and realized that the two places that my now ex and I were living, where neither had really good school systems. And then we decided we'd come to New Orleans.
• 54:01
  Speaker A: Wow. Well, okay, that doesn't make sense.
• 54:04
  Speaker B: Yeah, it makes no sense whatsoever.
• 54:07
  Speaker C: Our kids go to French immersion school.
• 54:10
  Speaker A: Well, that's a great school.
• 54:11
  Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker A: So there are some great schools in New Orleans. It's just a challenge to access the them.
• 54:18
  Speaker C: It's a challenge either to get into them or to have the money to Pay for them. There's. There's either. Either way. Whichever way you choose it, you know?
• 54:27
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 54:28
  Speaker C: So we got here just before the pandemic. So we got here September 2019.
• 54:34
  Speaker A: Nice.
• 54:35
  Speaker C: Nice.
• 54:36
  Speaker A: Well, it's good to have you here, you know?
• 54:37
  Speaker B: What part of town are you living in?
• 54:39
  Speaker C: Uptown. Uptown Magazine. And the part Napoleon of that area. That general area.
• 54:46
  Speaker A: Ms. Mays. The club.
• 54:47
  Speaker C: Yes. I walk my kids to school every day and go past Ms. Mays, and there's always people out there drinking it.
• 54:54
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 54:54
  Speaker C: Eight in the morning.
• 54:55
  Speaker A: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they need that drink. That's an important drink for them.
• 54:59
  Speaker B: What's the name of the French school? Lisay Francais.
• 55:02
  Speaker C: There's Lisa. There's three French schools in town. There's Audubon, French Immersion. There's Lisay Francais. And then they've been going to a Kol Bai Ling, which is right around.
• 55:13
  Speaker B: Okay. That's okay.
• 55:14
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 55:14
  Speaker B: All right. So that makes more sense.
• 55:16
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 55:16
  Speaker B: By this maze.
• 55:17
  Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
• 55:18
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 55:18
  Speaker C: Exactly.
• 55:19
  Speaker A: I want to talk about a couple of your records. You made this record, the man who Fell from Earth.
• 55:24
  Speaker C: Yep.
• 55:25
  Speaker A: Now, what. What. What inspired you to. Is. Was that a Bowie reference that you were twisting on its side or.
• 55:35
  Speaker C: You know, I. One of the songs is entitled that, and I thought that it might be a good name for the record. I don't know how I feel about it right now, but it's just. Just what it was.
• 55:48
  Speaker A: No, I like it. It's. It's. It made me. Caught my ear.
• 55:52
  Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I. It. There's. Obviously, there's the boy reference, and then, you know, 90% of the people call it the man who Fell to Earth. But your record, so it's just what it is.
• 56:04
  Speaker A: Now, you know, that. That. That Bowie title always reminded me of this movie, the man who Fell From Grace with the Sea. You know that movie?
• 56:12
  Speaker C: I don't know that movie.
• 56:14
  Speaker A: Manny knows that movie. It's Kris Kristofferson and Sarah Miles.
• 56:18
  Speaker C: Oh.
• 56:19
  Speaker A: And it's like Kris Kristofferson land somewhere. Where are they? Like, in New England somewhere. Nova Scotia.
• 56:26
  Speaker B: I didn't find it a very good movie.
• 56:27
  Speaker A: No, I've seen it a few times. Because Sarah Miles, I got. I got a soft spot for her, and she's very sexy in that movie.
• 56:35
  Speaker C: And I don't know if I know her.
• 56:37
  Speaker A: It's a good movie.
• 56:38
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 56:38
  Speaker A: You'd recognize her, all right. She's a 70s movie star.
• 56:41
  Speaker C: I just watched Cisco Pike. Have you ever seen that?
• 56:44
  Speaker A: No.
• 56:45
  Speaker C: You know that movie with Kris Kristofferson, Gene Hackman and Karen Black.
• 56:49
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 56:50
  Speaker C: Amongst many, a few, Few others.
• 56:51
  Speaker B: Black. One of the strangest looking women I've ever seen.
• 56:54
  Speaker A: Beautiful, weird eye.
• 56:55
  Speaker C: Strange. But she's. I think I. I think she's really.
• 56:58
  Speaker B: I never thought Chris Christopherson was a good actor. You know, I never did cast it in many movies.
• 57:04
  Speaker C: And this movie wasn't a stretch because he plays kind of a down in his luck. Jerk Singer, songwriter.
• 57:10
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker C: But also an amazing cameo of Doug Somme and the Sir Douglas Quintet.
• 57:19
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 57:19
  Speaker C: Like at the height of. I mean, this is like really early 70s, so it's like full on.
• 57:24
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 57:25
  Speaker C: 70S. Kind of nihilistic, you know, ending. Really. I highly recommend it. I thought it was really.
• 57:31
  Speaker A: Okay. What's it called again?
• 57:32
  Speaker C: Cisco Pike.
• 57:33
  Speaker A: Cisco pike, yeah.
• 57:35
  Speaker B: And Gene Hackman's in it.
• 57:37
  Speaker C: Gene Hackman's in it. Yep.
• 57:38
  Speaker B: He's dead. You know that?
• 57:39
  Speaker C: I heard.
• 57:40
  Speaker A: Just died.
• 57:41
  Speaker C: I heard.
• 57:41
  Speaker A: What about Karen Black? Is she still with us?
• 57:44
  Speaker B: No, I think.
• 57:44
  Speaker C: I think she's gone too.
• 57:45
  Speaker A: Gone too. God. Man. Dropping like flies. Chris is gone.
• 57:49
  Speaker B: You ever see that movie, Just us, Tuesday night movie of the week with Karen Black where she gets some gift in the mail and it's some African trinket. Remember that movie? The thing comes alive and it terrorizes her.
• 58:02
  Speaker C: I don't know.
• 58:03
  Speaker A: That terrifying movie.
• 58:05
  Speaker B: It was. It was ABC's Tuesday Night Movie of the week and I was terrified of this movie.
• 58:10
  Speaker C: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 58:11
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker A: They would put on stuff like that, like that the whole series. Like the Night Gallery.
• 58:16
  Speaker B: Yeah, those were all terrifying.
• 58:19
  Speaker A: They were great. That was. Now, was that Rod Serling?
• 58:24
  Speaker B: That the Karen Black movie? No, no, the Night Gallery was Rod.
• 58:28
  Speaker A: Rod Sterling.
• 58:29
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those were good. Those are good times, Post. That's when you could get a nickel bag for a nickel.
• 58:36
  Speaker A: Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker C: Back in the old days, you palm it.
• 58:41
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 58:42
  Speaker B: Anyway, Karen Black was good in Five Easy Pieces.
• 58:45
  Speaker C: Yes, yep.
• 58:46
  Speaker B: She was really good in that.
• 58:48
  Speaker C: Yeah, for sure.
• 58:49
  Speaker B: But anyway, getting back to you, back.
• 58:53
  Speaker A: To our guest, Anders Parker. So, so Anders, you. Are you still recording here and you have your, your home studio set up? Do you. Do you still use those kind of techniques that. That really brought you some of the sweetest fruit from your tree?
• 59:11
  Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I've always had some kind of recording set up. You know, it kind of. For a while I thought I was going to have a full on studio and then I realized, you know what? I don't want to have a full on studio. So I've kind of reduced it. But I still have Enough to record. You know, I could do my whole thing, set up my drums and set up the whole thing and do that. But now I feel pretty like the last record, the Black Flight I did, I recorded that all on one day. I just ran all the songs, not in order, but I ran the songs three times, I think. And then that was it. I just chose the best. What I thought were the best takes and that was done, so.
• 59:51
  Speaker A: And that. That record sounds fantastic.
• 59:54
  Speaker C: Yeah. And I recorded that here with Eric Heigl up on Oak Street.
• 59:57
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 59:58
  Speaker C: His studio up there, which was really fun. Yeah. I mean, now I don't feel intimidated or worried about making music in a studio. Like it's whatever. Whatever the circumstance.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker C: You know, needs.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker A: I've had enough reps to where you're. You're not nervous being.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker C: And also I just know what I want, you know, like now you can kind of make decisions. You know, when you first walk in the studio, there's so much going on. There's lights and microphones and all this stuff and people telling you what you can and can't do and all that and. But now you realize, like, no, I can decide how I want everything to sound. Yeah, whatever. Whatever works, you know.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker A: Now you're painting. Is that something you've been doing for a long time? Is that kind of parallel to your. Your musical endeavors?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker C: Not really. I was, you know, I was cleaning out my parents house a number of years ago and I found all my notebooks from high school and I realized how much I used to draw. And I kind of forgotten. It wasn't very good drawing, but I used to draw a lot. And then about 10, 11 years ago, I just started kind of fucking around with acrylic paints and India ink and just kind of making art of some sort.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker C: And then it wasn't until I moved here that I got into oil painting. There's this dude here who runs this kind of like painting group down at Bark Market. You know that place down in the Bywater?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker A: Right. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker C: It's a dog. A pet food store in an art market.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker A: Okay. Is that a. The healing center or something?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker C: I don't know. No, it's like. Right. It's like right off the railroad tracks there. And so anyway, I kind of fell in love with that. And I kind of. It presses the same buttons, but in a very different way, you know, that kind of like need to make stuff. So it's been really interesting, you know, because with music you get a shorthand and you kind of know stuff. And depending how Difficult, dedicated. You are or aren't. You can always. You have. You have a window into stuff, even if you don't, like, you know, I'm never going to be a great jazz guitar player, but I. I can kind of feel my way around stuff and, like, understand it, you know.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker C: To a certain degree.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker A: But with art, it was just like, there's something new.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I have some sort of relationship to, like.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker A: Right, right.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker C: I can, you know, hear somebody talk about Bach and kind of understand what they're saying. Even though. Though if it's nothing that I do, you know.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker A: Visual art.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker C: Yeah, not at all. So it's really was starting from square one, which I kind of like in a way, you know. So it's been kind of fascinating and kind of absorbing, you know.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker A: Now. Now do you find, like, being at the kind of edge of something, like an embryonic form of an artistic expression for you? You feel like that. That kind of kind of energizes you generally to artistic expression, to the music? I mean, is there a complementary aspect of these two disciplines?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker C: I was telling a friend that at this point in my life, it just seems like it's like, pathological, you know, Like, I mean, I like to play guitar and I like to like. But usually playing guitars in service of writing, I'm fishing for songs all the time, you know, Like, I don't just sit down and usually play with records or. I mean, I will do that stuff, but I'm always kind of just looking for a riff or looking for a melody or looking for a chord progression or. Or something, you know, I'm always just kind of what's floating around.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker A: Right, right, right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker C: So it's definitely like. It's ever. It's a fishing. Fishing expedition pretty much every day, you know, I keep guitars around and just kind of at five minutes, pick up the guitar. And so I. You know, for some reason I have the same thing with painting, where it's like I just feel a need to make stuff. And I don't really. I don't really know why, but it just. It, you know, form of expression or.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker A: The spark of God.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker C: Spark of God.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker A: You know, the divine. Divine person. Pursuit.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker C: Yeah. I'm seeking to be enlightened by my own foolishness.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker A: Well, sure.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker A: So call it what you will.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker A: It's a noble.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker C: Noble pursuit, I would say it's the, you know. You know, it's like the mystery of faith. Yeah. Or the mischief. Well, I mean, there's a certain. There's a certain amount of. They're you know what they say, if.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker B: You believe in God, you believe in anything.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker C: Or. What's the other thing I heard in. I heard recently it's people who believe in hell believe in God. People that have been through hell are spiritual. I don't know if that.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker A: I believe in God. I don't believe in hell, but that's.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker A: You know.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker C: Yeah. Neither do I.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker A: As. As Pacino said in. In Glengarry Glen Ross, hell exists on Earth. I refuse to live there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker C: Yeah. Even though oftentimes you have to.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker B: But you are, Blanche. You are.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker A: I like this quote somebody said about you that described your music as country rock dipped in lsd. Have you taken a lot of lsd? Manny and I. I don't know.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker C: I don't know if it's been a while, but I've. Yeah, I've taken my. I took my share enough.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker A: Right, right. That's what I always say.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker A: You don't have to blow your mind like I do.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker A: You know, but. But you need to open the door.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker C: Yeah. Unless you have some other way to get there. I mean, I. I found it very useful to a certain extent. And for the most part, I don't know if I would call it spiritual.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker B: Acid is a ripoff at times, man, because they keep telling me about, you know, years later, I'll have a flashback. And I haven't.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker A: Hasn't happened. Yeah.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker B: I haven't had my ass keep.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker A: Keep waiting for that prize at the.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker C: Bottom of the cracker. It's interesting. I pretty much stopped drinking. And in September I've had it. You know, I have a drink here and there. But I feel like I've had more acid flashbacks since I more or less got sober as compared to when I was drinking a lot.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker A: Really? What does feel like to you?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker C: I don't know. It's kind of like, I don't know, feeling. Feeling connected to something that's beyond me. Slash. Kind of like visual. Like. It's not like a hallucination, but it's kind of like. How would you put it? Like, kind of like the peripheral vision opens up in a kind of odd way. I'm not gonna be.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker A: Everything starts vibrating a little bit visually.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker C: And there's something about being tuned in to. Tuned into. To whatever that vibration space is that you get into when you do an acid. If it's a really good.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker A: Right.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker C: Situation, you know, it's very small, but it was just something that occurred to me. It's kind of seemed to kind of wane now, but you can get contact.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker B: Guys from People on acid or mushroom.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker A: Yes, you can.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker B: You think you can't get them from people who are drunk.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker A: That's.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker C: Thank God.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker B: But I think and get contact highs from people.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker C: Really you feel like you can.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker B: I've dive experience.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker A: Yeah. No, I've seen people. I've seen people because, because it is like a social thing especially. It's a verbal thing. If, you know, if people are, are, are in or thinking that way you can go with them. You know, people that are not actually.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker B: And it's easy to talk people who are tripping into doing things that you would like to see done. You know, I. I think that's a cool thing.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker A: Okay. They're easily manipulated.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker C: Yeah, well, power of suggestion.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker A: Sure, sure, sure.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker B: Pimps are power suggestions.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker C: CIA, you know?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker C: They started the whole thing.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. MK Ultra.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker A: Holy cow. Oh man. Let's not even get started now. Now what? One thing we have to touch on is at one point you lived in the Canadian Arctic, 500 miles from the North Pole. Did you ever run into Santa Claus?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker C: I did not. I lived in Alaska, that Arctic Circle, and I was in the Arctic Circle, but I never lived up there. I don't really know how that became a thing, but somehow it became a thing.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker A: A thing in your bio biography.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker C: It's not in my biography. I didn't, I didn't put it in there, but I think somebody maybe wrote it in my Wikipedia page or something like that.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker B: Somebody on acid? Probably.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker C: Probably.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker A: So, yeah, Wikipedia is not really reliable, you know.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker C: You don't think so put anything in?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you can put anything in there.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker C: Don't believe anything you read and nothing of what you see.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker A: There you go.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker C: There you go.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker A: All right. So you. So you didn't live in the North Pole?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker C: No, I lived in Alaska, but not in the North Pole.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker B: So when you lived in Alaska, was it constant daylight or constant night time?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker C: It was constant daylight. I was up there.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker B: How was that for someone who was on speed?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker C: It wasn't the. I wasn't doing speed then, but it was the really good marijuana. Was the, was the, the on the menu every day? Yeah, it was called. That particular strain was called Matanuska thunderfuck, which was all around.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker B: Did you work the canneries while you were up there?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker C: I worked the canneries.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker B: Did you work the day shift or the night shift?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker C: I ended up working on the river. On the river I was a tender because I had some boating experience. So I volunteered.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker B: Because of all the ponies?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Because I used to the Ponies used to swim. And then I would go out.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker B: You put that on your resume even today?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker C: Boating experience. And the swimming ponies. I did come across one time a swimming moose, which was really interesting when I was boating with my brother in law and my brother.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker A: Yeah, I bet they. I bet they. They're pretty buoyant, huh? And they just kind of like move the.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker C: I was surprised. Nice as hell.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker A: Like horses swim.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker A: You know, they just move their legs. They know just what to do. They're not freaked out at all.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker C: I know. Well. Well, apparently we freaked out that moose because later on it was. It was spotted downtown.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker C: Running through this little. Little town in northern Vermont. So I guess we upset it.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker A: Having a go at it. All right. Okay.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker C: What was the quote? I forget what we were talking about.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker A: We're just kind of. This is. We're on this. This. We call this downslope.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker C: 24 hour. 24 hours. Yeah. It messes with you, but it was fun because I was also. Whatever. I was 22 or 23.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker B: Now. Did you, like, when you did go to sleep, did you put like aluminum foil on your windows to keep it dark in there and stuff?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker C: Really, really didn't need to do that. I probably did. We stayed in these really crazy shacks. I came, remember, mine might have not even had much of a window, to tell you the truth. It was.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker B: Yeah, we were.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker C: We were staying on the.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker B: I think I would go nuts probably. I don't know.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker A: With the sunlight 24 hours a day.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker B: When I was 22, I was way worse than I am now.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker B: You know, so hard to imagine.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker C: I think worse would be the.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker B: The winners tonight.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker B: Yeah. What the hell is going on?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker A: Oh, they got. Got the. The. The. The French group is.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker B: This is our cue to leave because I really don't care for music.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker A: Well, I love these guys, but this is the downslope of the podcast. But Anders, thank you so much. Been fantastic. I'm so glad we could get you on. I'm so glad you're in New Orleans and everybody come out and see Anders on a Sunday night, 7 to 8:30. And go to Nolan Acular at 1172 Magazine Street.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker C: You got it, baby.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker A: The show's gonna be up for the next few weeks. You're doing a live musical performance in the space with your. All of your oil paintings on May 22nd.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker C: Oh, thank you, sticker. I love it.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker A: And as always, Anders, on the Troubleman podcast, we like to say trouble never.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker B: Ends, but the struggle continues. Good night.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker A: Good night.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker C: Thank you. When you're born they eat you up Little hands and feet and eyes.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker A: Keep.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker B: You safe.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker C: Safe as milk.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker B: Then they.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker C: Start to feed you lies Desperate times, oh desperate times when they father started.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker B: Gone everyone will run.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker C: Dogs and.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker A: Horses.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker C: On the track Rounding each corner like it's the last SAM 1%, 1%.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker C: The numbers do not lie Eat the.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker A: Rich.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker C: And do not miss.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker A: The chance.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker C: To look into their eyes Their eyes, their eyes Desperate times, oh desperate times when they fight starting gone everyone will run Dogs and horses on the track Grounding each corner like it's the last all the people, people who you frown upon Will not eat the cake you feed to them so bide your time but watch your neck.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker A: Cause we might take your head from it.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker B: Sa.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker C: Horses on the track rounded each corner like it's the last Dogs and horses on the track rounded each corner like it.