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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox
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  Speaker 1: or FSR.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher
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  Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio.
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  Speaker 3: I see a smile on Mikeya's face. Was it the
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  Speaker 3: customized dope in?
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  Speaker 4: What did it for you? Yeah? Just fill it in
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  Speaker 4: for Colin.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't I was expecting you to start with it's the Herd.
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: I really was Israel Goodie eras at Taylor back in Miami.
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  Speaker 4: Mikey a Connecticut.
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  Speaker 3: I am at Syracuse, New York at the new House
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  Speaker 3: School of Broadcasting. Sean McDonough, a proud alum of Syracuse University,
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  Speaker 3: get to join us coming up at twelve twenty five
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  Speaker 3: is he I don't belong here.
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  Speaker 6: I have done shows happening.
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  Speaker 3: From the Medills School at Northwestern I have a key
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  Speaker 3: to that building and now I'm at the new House
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  Speaker 3: School of Broadcasting and legends have graduated from this place.
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  Speaker 3: Legends like Sean McDonough, like Marv Albert, like Kenny Albert,
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  Speaker 3: like Iron Eagle. I don't belong here and so but
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  Speaker 3: this is funny, is he? I was thinking about this.
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  Speaker 3: Had I gone to a school like this, man, would
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  Speaker 3: I be good at broadcasting?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? My god, the facility's here.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, just because of the facilities, I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 6: are you.
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  Speaker 4: Sure the teachers? Yeah? You know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't really know what's happening today. It feels like
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  Speaker 6: a throwback Thursday on a Friday because I was at
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  Speaker 6: home earlier and I saw Skip Bayless on first take
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  Speaker 6: with stephen A, and I was like, that's weird. And
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  Speaker 6: then it's me effectively kind of working with Colin again
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  Speaker 6: like we did in the ESPN days. That's weird. The
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  Speaker 6: amount of times that I was on what's the segment
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  Speaker 6: spanning the Globe? I mean, I felt like I was
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  Speaker 6: a regular on College's old show. Yeah, and then yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you walk in here and like, I don't know what's
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  Speaker 6: going on. Taylor's wearing a Miami Dolphins shirt. It's very confusing.
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  Speaker 4: Why are you wearing a dolphin shirt? Taylor?
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  Speaker 7: Just a laundry day, I had this shirt. So I
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  Speaker 7: was Mac Collins's roommate in college, so I really just
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  Speaker 7: cheer for whatever team Mac Collins is on, and throughout
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  Speaker 7: the years, I've collected a lot of teams gears, the Raiders,
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  Speaker 7: the Dolphins, the Patriots, now the Bills, stint with the Falcons.
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  Speaker 7: This just happened to This was just in the rotation.
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  Speaker 4: It was the only available shirt, is what you're saying, basically,
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  Speaker 4: because the rest is in the laundry, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 7: Correct, It wasn't the only available shirt, but it was
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  Speaker 7: one of the last few remaining shirts.
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  Speaker 6: You know what's do And sometimes even that right there
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  Speaker 6: as a sign, Like sometimes you wake up in the
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  Speaker 6: day and it's just like there's a sign your day
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  Speaker 6: going to be bad. And I kind of knew today
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  Speaker 6: maybe not bad, but weird because I woke up this
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  Speaker 6: morning and my water flosster exploded in my face.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: And does your day ever really start well when it's
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  Speaker 6: something exploded in your face? Put that on the pole,
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  Speaker 6: tailor does your day ever start well when something explodes
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  Speaker 6: in your face?
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  Speaker 3: Here's what I'll tell you. It could only get better though,
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  Speaker 3: That's it. I mean, it could only get better from there.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Well, then it got immediately worse because yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how many people experience this, but probably
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  Speaker 6: a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: I got to the gym and I was the least
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  Speaker 6: fit person in the room, and it made me very angry.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to my.
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  Speaker 3: Life, like to all of our lives.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, at least I can go to my getaway,
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  Speaker 6: you know, my place or I don't have to think.
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  Speaker 6: And I walk in and it's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 6: a fitness show, just like a muscle lifting show, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm just like, what is going on today?
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  Speaker 7: I was gonna ask who's in the room? Adonis and Robot.
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  Speaker 6: It was two people that I had to ask. Once
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  Speaker 6: they left, I was like, are those two Florida Panthers
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  Speaker 6: players that I don't recognize? Because that's ridiculous? Is he
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  Speaker 6: call me?
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  Speaker 8: When you're the least fit person that walks into a McDonald.
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  Speaker 4: That's what you feel bad for? Exactly? You went Rocky? There?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what you did? Taylor? Rocky Balboa?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Adonna's Apollo Creed's son, so I went a little
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  Speaker 7: Creed too.
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  Speaker 3: No, I realized that Adonna's was perfect. It's the Rocky Balboa.
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  Speaker 3: I'm questioning Rockety for perhaps Rocky four he was Chisel.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, you go to Siberia and you work out,
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to take down Drago. That's the best shape
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  Speaker 3: Stallona has ever been in. I'm serious. It's the greatest
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  Speaker 3: workout scene in the history of movies period. End of discussion.
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  Speaker 3: It's just him and the elements.
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  Speaker 4: How about that?
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  Speaker 6: And getting back to your your points to if you
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  Speaker 6: went to Syracuse, I think you would still be this
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  Speaker 6: level of successful I brought you, which is wildly successful.
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  Speaker 3: No, I've had a great ride, considering that I have
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  Speaker 3: no schooling. In this a great ride. I'm just imagining
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  Speaker 3: what kind of ride I would have had had I
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  Speaker 3: had actual schooling. If I had facilities like this and
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  Speaker 3: I had great teachers in a great alumni base that
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  Speaker 3: I could work, how much better the career.
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  Speaker 4: But I would say it's nearly.
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  Speaker 3: Impossible to top the career that I've had doing this
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  Speaker 3: for over twenty years. I replaced Colin.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'm not gonna let over replace right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I mean he left, he was doing ten
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  Speaker 3: to one at ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: We were doing afternoons. He left.
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  Speaker 3: We took over that slot and I do remember saying
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  Speaker 3: on the air, I was trying because I wanted ten
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  Speaker 3: to one. I think that's the best slot in radio,
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  Speaker 3: especially for national radio, because stations taking inside the business.
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  Speaker 3: Here local stations want to run their morning and afternoon drive.
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  Speaker 3: Where you get the clearance is in the middays. Plus
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  Speaker 3: you're done, your day is done at one o'clock. And
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  Speaker 3: so I remember going out of my way telling Colin
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  Speaker 3: on the air, not directly to him, although I know
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  Speaker 3: Colin and I've spoken to him. I remember saying trying
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  Speaker 3: to convince him to leave ESPN radio, not because it
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  Speaker 3: was good for him, but because it was good for me.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm happy now.
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  Speaker 3: And then what he did, I immediately and we took
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  Speaker 3: over ten to one. I changed all my fantasy teams
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  Speaker 3: to two pm, T tot.
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  Speaker 4: How about that?
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  Speaker 6: And I'm sure he's so happy somewhere as we're starting
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  Speaker 6: off filling in for him that we're going deep inside
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  Speaker 6: radio right to start.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, is he okay? By the way, Colin loves to
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  Speaker 3: go deep inside radio.
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  Speaker 4: He does.
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  Speaker 3: He loves talking about the industry and the business. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: is Colin okay? There was like he was transportation, there
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  Speaker 3: was an accident. You know we we failed to make
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  Speaker 3: the joke yesterday when we found out he was supposed
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  Speaker 3: to join us that Colin heard the news that we
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  Speaker 3: were filling in and he drove his car off the road.
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  Speaker 7: So I believe Colin was on a train yesterday. Okay,
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  Speaker 7: he takes a train to his car, but Colin Colin
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  Speaker 7: is okay, this was already a scheduled off day. The
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  Speaker 7: hiccup yesterday was I believe his train hit a car
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  Speaker 7: or a car hit his train, and then Colin had
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  Speaker 7: to get an uber from said train station and he
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  Speaker 7: was gonna miss the time that he was supposed to join.
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  Speaker 7: But that's neither here nor there. He was never supposed
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  Speaker 7: to be in today regardless. But I'm curious how his
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  Speaker 7: listeners are listening to the show and these guys are
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  Speaker 7: ever gonna get to basketball?
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  Speaker 6: Heyme on, we're gonna get show come to the herd for.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna get to Sean McDonough in a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 3: We will get to basketball right now. In fact, Jason
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  Speaker 3: ep Jason back at Sherman Oaks if we have that
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  Speaker 3: Draymond Green sound again when he was on the set
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  Speaker 3: with Charles Barkley, I want to play it for the audience.
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  Speaker 3: I want to ask Israel Gudierez a question, A difficult,
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  Speaker 3: a tricky question for Israel. Goody era is coming up
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  Speaker 3: after we play this out. Here's Draymond Green on the
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  Speaker 3: set of T and T with Charles Barkley.
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  Speaker 6: Sports are for young people.
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  Speaker 5: You hope to have a great, long career, but sports.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody wins when they're thirty seven, thirty eight. That you
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  Speaker 6: said what you said, I didn't want to hear if
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  Speaker 6: he believes what you're talking. Yeah, I mean I think
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  Speaker 6: the goal is just to not look like you in
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  Speaker 6: the Houston Rockets uniform.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's ultimately the goal for us, Like we don't
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  Speaker 5: want to What does that look like?
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  Speaker 6: Did you see it? I'm just asking I saw it?
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  Speaker 4: Is he?
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  Speaker 3: Here's the question for you. I realized, Raymond. People don't
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  Speaker 3: like him.
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  Speaker 4: I get it. He's annoying. He won't stop talking.
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  Speaker 3: That's not the thing to say to Charles Barkley when
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  Speaker 3: you're sitting on his show, on his set, being interviewed
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  Speaker 3: by those guys.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, it's not right.
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  Speaker 3: But I asked you this question because I had this
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  Speaker 3: you know, I had this debate ago with Lebtard about
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  Speaker 3: whose career do you think Barkley would rather have?
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  Speaker 4: His own? Were Robert Orriy's?
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  Speaker 3: And then we got big Shot Bob on the show
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  Speaker 3: and he said he would rather have Charles Barkley's career
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  Speaker 3: than his own career. But Draymond Green is a lot
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  Speaker 3: better historically in terms of career than Robert Orriy. He is,
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  Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Famer, He's considered one of the
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  Speaker 3: great defensive players we've ever seen in the NBA, and
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  Speaker 3: he has won four rings. So I ask you, this
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  Speaker 3: is he who's you set out your entire life, you work,
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  Speaker 3: you want to play in the NBA, and you get there.
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  Speaker 3: Whose career would you rather have Draymond Green's or Charles Barkley's.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this one isn't really tricky to me anyway, because, okay,
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  Speaker 6: I'll ask you this. I'll answer a question with a question.
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  Speaker 6: Is that a cowhard thing? I'm not one hundred percent sure.
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  Speaker 6: If it is, I'm sorry for stealing his thing. Does
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  Speaker 6: Draymond Green seem happy to you?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't he seem offensive at all times?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't he? Isn't he the guy who is constantly still
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  Speaker 6: still being criticized or being called Steph Curry's backpack. Yep,
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  Speaker 6: you think he's happy about that. You think the four
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  Speaker 6: rings really really make him happy when he sits there
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  Speaker 6: every single day and has to defend himself against people
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  Speaker 6: who call him a glorified role player, against people who
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  Speaker 6: say that we leave you wide open all the time.
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  Speaker 6: There's for that Steve Martin, and there's no chance that
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  Speaker 6: he is completely satisfied with who he is. I'm sorry, Taylor.
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  Speaker 6: First segment, that's rough, by the.
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  Speaker 3: Way, the audience what we were doing a bit and
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  Speaker 3: Steve Martin's pro We were talking about great prop comics
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  Speaker 3: of all time and someone said, Steve Martin, I said it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, three names later and now it has become a
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  Speaker 3: running joke on the show.
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, go ahead, So if you repeat what somebody just said,
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  Speaker 6: you're just Steve Martin, Steve Morton. But now go to
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  Speaker 6: Charles Barkley, right. And while Charles Barkley was an angry
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  Speaker 6: player right threw people out of a bar window, I
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  Speaker 6: believe was a guy who always stood up for himself.
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  Speaker 6: He seems pretty happy, like he seems pretty satisfied with
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  Speaker 6: his life. Like I mean, this is what I was
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  Speaker 6: talking about yesterday when I said, you know, whether you're
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  Speaker 6: Klay Thompson, who is like bragging about having four rings
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  Speaker 6: after a breakup, which those two aren't even on the
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  Speaker 6: same playing field. And then you've got Draymond Green thinking
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  Speaker 6: that his four rings can allow him to be disrespectful
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  Speaker 6: to a legend like Charles Barkley. The rings don't define
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  Speaker 6: who you are. It's the same way that Draymond Green
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  Speaker 6: is not going to be the next Charles Barkley of
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  Speaker 6: broadcasting because those four rings aren't gonna make him entertaining.
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  Speaker 6: Like he's a good basketball, you know, analyst. He can
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  Speaker 6: tell you stuff, you know that they'll tell you when
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  Speaker 6: the coaches huddle, but he's not gonna entertain you. That
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  Speaker 6: whole Charles Barkley thing was probably supposed to be a
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  Speaker 6: joke that just didn't land, and he just tried to run,
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  Speaker 6: you know, go past it. Kenny Smith was trying to
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  Speaker 6: make it funny, but it really wasn't funny. And so
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  Speaker 6: in that same respect, I would much rather have Charles
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  Speaker 6: Barkley's career and say, look me, as an individual, did
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  Speaker 6: all I can do. It's a team sport, it's not tennis.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not a failure. And so if you want to
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  Speaker 6: call me a failure because Michael Jordan wins six and
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  Speaker 6: zero in the finals, great, that's you creating the ring
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  Speaker 6: culture and making it even worse than it already is
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  Speaker 6: by saying you're a failure. Right, So I'd much rather
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  Speaker 6: have Charles Barkley's career. You know what they say in basketball,
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  Speaker 6: stew gats right when you're talking smack to each other.
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  Speaker 6: The one thing that you could really land on. Hey,
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  Speaker 6: if I play you one on one, I'm gonna kick
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  Speaker 6: your button, right, Draymond Green's not kicking Charles Barkley's anything.
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  Speaker 6: Draymond Green, and one on one will struggle to score
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  Speaker 6: against Charles Barkley. Even a forty year old Charles Barkley.
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  Speaker 3: Is he There were times, though, during Barkley's playing career
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  Speaker 3: where people would say the same thing. He doesn't appear
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  Speaker 3: to be happy. He's mad, he's angry, he's not winning titles.
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  Speaker 3: He's in Philadelphia. He wants to get out of Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 3: He eventually did. He went to Phoenix. He led that
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  Speaker 3: team to the NBA Finals and lost to Michael Jordan.
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  Speaker 3: Because everyone did so.
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  Speaker 6: But he was trying to get there. Draymond already reached
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  Speaker 6: the two four different times, but it's still unhappy.
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  Speaker 3: My point in saying all that is, I think where
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  Speaker 3: you've seen Barkley be the happiest is with his post career.
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  Speaker 3: No one was expecting, not even Charles, for him to
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  Speaker 3: turn into what he's turned into in his post NBA career,
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  Speaker 3: which is maybe the biggest media member we have going.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he has cart blanche, He could say whatever
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  Speaker 3: he wants with no ramifications whatsoever. And Draymond said something
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  Speaker 3: to him, and Barkley got upset about it, and everyone
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  Speaker 3: is outraged about it, coming from the guy who, for
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  Speaker 3: his entire career has said anything he's wanted to say.
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  Speaker 3: If you could take all the personality stuff and just
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  Speaker 3: put it aside for a second resume, side by side
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  Speaker 3: you went to the NBA, would you rather have Barkley's
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  Speaker 3: career take all the other stuff out of it or
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  Speaker 3: Draymond Green?
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  Speaker 4: Because I'd rather have Draymond Green's.
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  Speaker 6: It's still Barkley. It's still bark If you're asking me,
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  Speaker 6: would I rather have Steph Curry's career at Charles Barkley
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  Speaker 6: out there? Rather have Steph Curry's but I would rather
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  Speaker 6: be Barkley as an individual. It doesn't matter about my
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  Speaker 6: personality as an individual. If I say I've exhausted not
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  Speaker 6: only my ability one thousand percent, and it happened to
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  Speaker 6: be one of the best at that in the game,
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  Speaker 6: I've done everything I could. Dan Marino's not losing sleep
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  Speaker 6: because a GM couldn't get him a running back in
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  Speaker 6: the defense. He was the greatest.
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  Speaker 7: I think the Draymond Green Charles Barkley conversation is further
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  Speaker 7: proof that ring culture has gotten completely out of control.
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  Speaker 7: And the most ironic part about ring culture being out
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  Speaker 7: of control is on this show we have the Tim Robinson.
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  Speaker 7: We're all trying to find the guy who got ring
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  Speaker 7: culture out of control, looking right back at us, at
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  Speaker 7: Stuve Gotts.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true. Yeah, but I want you to think
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  Speaker 3: about this, Okay. If I told you, okay, you could
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  Speaker 3: be Player A, who's defensive Player of the Year. He's gone,
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  Speaker 3: went to the Hall of Fame, he plays on legendary
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  Speaker 3: teams with Stephan Clay and he wins four titles. Or
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  Speaker 3: you could be Player B, doesn't win a ring but
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  Speaker 3: is considered one of the twenty greatest NBA players of
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  Speaker 3: all time, Which career tailor, honestly, which career would you take?
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  Speaker 4: Because I take Draymond's.
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  Speaker 7: Let me flip this back to you. Player A has
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  Speaker 7: eleven rings and is a Hall of Famer. Player B
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  Speaker 7: is a Hall of Famer and has six rings. Whose
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  Speaker 7: career would you rather have?
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  Speaker 4: Uh? Eleven? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 4: Six?
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, got him over, Michael Jordan?
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  Speaker 6: You know you're Raymond.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The rule of the show is if I correct myself
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  Speaker 3: before you speak again, then I correct myself, and I'm right.
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  Speaker 4: Jordan's career. Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know where you'll never find? Draymond made that
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  Speaker 6: up on one of those graphics that say who's gonna
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  Speaker 6: beat this squad? He's never going to be on those ever.
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  Speaker 3: They don't play one on one though.
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter, No, no, it doesn't matter. I'm saying, like
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  Speaker 6: you know, U c O. It's Steph, it's Michael, it's Lebron,
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  Speaker 6: it's Tim Duncan, and it's Shack versus Magic Johnson, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Reggie Miller. And he's never going to be on that
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  Speaker 6: graphic because people don't think of him as one of
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  Speaker 6: the greats. He's a great defender and a great role
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure how good Shack would be as a
• 16:20
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• 16:23
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• 16:28
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  Speaker 3: Really wow, better than Jordan, is what you're saying. That's
• 16:36
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• 16:40
  Speaker 7: Jordan, best player of all time? Carmelo Anthony, best bucket
• 16:45
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• 16:47
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• 16:52
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• 16:58
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• 16:59
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• 17:02
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• 19:01
  Speaker 3: of today's show. We will get to the Calves and
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Pistons here in just a second. But I realize the
• 19:08
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• 19:11
  Speaker 3: here quickly. Guys on the Pistons Cavs series.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Detroit going up two zip on Cleveland tells you everything.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: This isn't a cute story, It's a power move. Cad
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Cunningham closes again with twenty five and ten. Tobias Harris
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: gives you twenty one, and the Pistons are dictating the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: terms of the series like the one seed should Cleveland's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: getting big nights Donovan Mitchell had thirty one, Jared Allen
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: had twenty two, and it still feels like they're playing
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: catch up the whole game.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: There's a name there for the calves he left out.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: He was three of thirteen from the field. He's terrible
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: in the postseason. He's James Harden.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Dude, he is so laughable. It is funny to me
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: that now it was sort of reawakened the James Harden
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: versus Dwayne Wade who is the better two guard? It
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: is such a laughable debate, such a laughable debate when
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: you really think about it, because James Harden is well.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: First of all, can you think of the career highlight
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: defensive play of James Harden?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I cannot, no, no, I can think of one.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: It was a no look swipe that he had on somebody.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: I want to say it was Patrick Bevma, maybe not.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: He just looked the other way and swiped down and
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: eventually got a steal out of that. That's it, Okay.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Now there are so many highlight blocks and steals from Dwayne.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Wade in fairness all right, but I don't remember any
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: So like, in fairness to yours, there aren't many defensive
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: plays that I remember from individuals in the NBA over
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the course of time. I just don't I remember the
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: steal from Jordan Game six in the NBA Finals against
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz, because.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: He's famous of all time, Larry steals the ball, gives
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: it off to DJ. Excuse me.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: Also, what strange circles is? Is he rolling in where
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: he's saying the conversations between Slayne Wade and James Harden
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: have been awaken Stu, Those conversations aren't happening in any
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: of my circles.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: I've never had it.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I've never had it with anyone at any time, at
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: any point, with any person.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Yes, Pat Beverley just reawakened those things by saying that
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: he was better than Dwayne Wade. Than Dwayne Wade himself.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: The man himself went on a pod and said he
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: shouldn't be talking about me. He can't do anything I
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: can do. And then he's basically been defending himself against
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: the James Harden conversation without insulting James Harden by saying, look,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: after five years, I already had a Hall of Fame career,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: and I don't think you can say the same thing
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: about him, and so that to me is a laughable debate.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: Dwayne impacted the games in ways that you know James
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Harden couldn't, and it's just more of a hey, if
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: my team is missing seventeen consecutive three pointers like his
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Houston Rockets deed against the Golden State Warriors one game
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs, I meaning Dwayne Wade, would have done something,
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: whether it be a pump fake and get to the line,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: something to slow that down, something to keep my team afloat.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: I think it's not even a conversation who the best
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: two guard is, although coming from me, that's going to
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: be looked at as bias. But in this series, in
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: these playoffs, Stu James Harden is officially officially in like
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Clayton Kershaw territory because when the playoffs come, he's an
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: entirely different person. I think it's it's either four out
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: of five or five straight games in these postseason or
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: he had more turnovers than field Gold's made. And when
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: you watch him play, he looks like he can't do
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: anything out there, and then he takes out his frustration
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: by getting mad at Assar Thompson, who is the most
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: like innocent defender in the league. He's just a ridiculously
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: good defender, but is not a smack talker, is not
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: really somebody that really gets into arguments. James Harden is
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: just laughable. It's laughable that we see this guy in
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: the postseason and think, because he goes between the legs
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: ten times every time he dribbles, that he is some
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: sort of effective basketball player. It's absolutely maddening to watch
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: him play at this level. And you've got other people.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: I forget who it was, but somebody on a podcast
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: recently just bragging about how James Harden would be out
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: till four or five in the morning with Houston during
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: his MVP days and then just come back to work
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: the next day and drop sixty. I'm like, imagine if
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: he didn't do that like that, right, that's not something
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: to to, you know, to be proud of in your career. Oh,
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: I could have been better, but I was out clubbing
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: till five in the morning. Like I know. People want
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: to put that Michael Jordan thing. Oh, he played golf
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: till whatever hours of the day and still drop forty
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: on a team that I think is even a little
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: bit more acceptable because you're at least doing some other
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: sort of physical activity that is not drinking alcohol the
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: whole time. It's just I don't know, it's it really
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: gets to me how embarrassing that is for somebody who
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: is supposed to be an all time great.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're really taking this one personally. It seems like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, you just like the disdain forgetting the conversation.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Well now it's amazing, like, like, listen, this is how
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I do with three of thirteen.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: He's terrible in the postseason.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Everything looks good until he starts shooting, and then it
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: starts to look bad when it clanks off the rim
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: because he's not good in the season. But is he
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: somehow made it about Dwayne Wade, and God bless him,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: he loves Dwayne Wade. But I'm not certain anyone's having
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: those conversations. And if Dwayne Wade is responding to any
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: sort of conversation where someone is saying James Harden is
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: better than he is, he shouldn't respond. His game did
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: all the talk.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Dwayne Wade having the conversation, then people are having the conversation.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Stop having that conversation. It's a dumb conversation for Wade
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to have. Of course he's better than James Harden. Stop
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: talking about it. Not you, Dwayne Wade.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Know, and a lot of people would say James Harden
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: is better. That's why it's a conversation.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: No one, no one, no one would say that. Who
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: would say that?
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: And if they did say it, they will not say it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: After I read this stat here that I saw on
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: NBA Reddit, I had a fact check this maybe forty
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: times because it's that unbelievable. James Harden played his one
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: hundred and eighty second career playoff game tonight with four
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: turnovers and three made field goals. It was his forty
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: six playoff game that he's had as many or more
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: turnovers than made few. That's over twenty five percent of
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: his career playoff games.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Like I saw somebody say that he is now getting
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: into It might have been stephen A. The Russell Wilson conversation,
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: are you playing your way out of maybe not the
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Hall of Fame but all time great conversations like it
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: is just becoming painfully obvious.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: So the way stephen A. Smith worded it, STU. He said,
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: James Harden's Hall of Fame status is on the verge
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: of being revoked.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Wow. Really, so he was in and now he's revoking
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: his status. Wow, that's uh. Steven A.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: Smith had his card and it's it's on the verge
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: of being taken away from there.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: Here's what the problem is is yes, go ahead?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Sorry is it?
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: No?
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: No?
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: The problem is is that we're obsessed with scoring in
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: a way that maybe we weren't before, right, because there
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: were times where we would see a guy have big
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: scoring numbers and then just recognize, Okay, it's a little gimmicky.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: It's it's regular season quality, right, and effectiveness. But when
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: you really like break it down or if you really
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: defend it hard over the course of a seven game series,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: it's not going to be as effective because if you
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: think about what Harden's go tos are, it's step back three, which, again,
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: even if he is the best in the league at it,
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: percentage wise, not a great shot, and then drawing fouls
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: when getting too the rim. Well, if you're not drawing
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: those fouls anymore, I mean, where are you going? What
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: is your go to? How are you affecting the game.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: It's certainly not on defense, and it's certainly not with
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: what like mid range pull ups. He just doesn't have that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: He's a two level scorer effectively either threes or layups,
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: and so it's just not effective come playoff time. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: it's really frustrating to see whether it be all time
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Great conversations or people convincing themselves that he is going
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: to be different with the Cleveland Cavaliers. When why are
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: we convincing himselfs ourselves of this? We've seen enough evidence
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: to the contrary.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Steven A.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: Smith is the guy to revoke your NBA Hall of
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: Fame card, right, Like he's the guy that gets to
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: take it away from you.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Burke, yeah, Boba Dorris maybe, yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Jackie McMillin maybe. I think people are of the verst.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: That's very Boston. I grew up braiding them, so that
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: the first name that came to mind.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But is he?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to say this, like I'm not trying
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: to upset you. Just who was having these conversations about
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: James Harden being an all time great?
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: That's where I mean, I could I could list them
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: for you, but.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Just look at does James Harden have this big fan base?
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: Like I don't associate James Harden with with having like
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: this devoted following that's going to defend James Harden to
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: the end of the earth, because he seems like a
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: tough player to kind of defend to the end of
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: the earth. Like listening, Jalen Brunson is my guy. I
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: will defend Jalen Brunson, so the end of time. But
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: that's Knicks fan saying they'll defend Harden or Knicks fan
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: saying they'll defend Brunson Brunton. Harden doesn't really have that
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: team that he's really associated with anymore.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: There are people who suggest James Harden changed the game forever,
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: like they'll just show you the images of people defending
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: him from the side from the side so that he
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: wouldn't be able to do his you know, little step
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: back move and everything else. And really all that is
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: is just James Harden perfecting the act of a like
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: the referees, right, He's using the way the game is
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: officiated to his benefit. And so therefore the other players
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: were literally throwing their hands up in the air and saying,
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: I don't know what you want me to do. I'm
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: gonna try this crazy stuff over here, when really he
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: wasn't this dynamic athlete or basketball player who was doing
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: all of these amazing things. He basically took advantage of
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: a couple of rules where you can't touch a shooter,
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: and you know he's going to reach down and make
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: you reach his arm and slap at his arm when
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: he goes to the bucket and he's going to get
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: his free throws. That's it. That's his power, that's his superpower.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: And when that's not going to be there all the time,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: he's going to look like a less than average player.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: That's not who you want leading your team.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Those people are dumb.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Who's ever saying that, Who's ever having these conversations? They're
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: just I'm not saying they're not having those conversations. It's
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: just I'd never thought of James Harden as an all
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: time great. I'll never think of James Harden as an
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: all time grade. I think he would have been had
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: a better chance of being an all time grade. And
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, by the way, if the three of them
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: just stayed together, Westbrook, Durant, and Harden, if they somehow
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: just stayed together, perhaps James Harden would be in the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: conversation of all time greade.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I just wasn't aware.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And again, I don't say this to upset you that
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: there's some weird James harden Colt who defends him at
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: all costs.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: One of the names mentioned for the Hall of Fame
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: card status holder was Bob Bryan. And I have my
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: Twitter notifications on for anytime Bob Brian tweets, and once
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: I heard the name Bob Brian, I was like, this
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: is my land to talk a little Bob Bryan. Somebody
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: tweeted a picture that said name a famous queen not
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: named Victoria or Elizabeth, and Bob Bryan responded to the
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: tweet and said, latifa.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: He get him on. It is classic, Bob. You're right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: We used to do a segment called we used to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: have Bob on to explain his tweets because sometimes they're
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: a bit all over the place, and Bob would come on,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I'd read them to him, I'd read him to the audience,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and then he would explain that what he was trying
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: to say, go ahead, Taylor, but.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: We don't need any exploit explanation there, like.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: That Queer Queen with Queen.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: Bob Bryan has always had his thumb on the pulse
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: of pop culture in the nineties.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: And that sweet should be on the Mount Rushmore of tweets. Seriously,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: that is a great job. It's so unsuspecting from Bob Ryan.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Uh speaking of Mount Rushmore's listen, bord Ot Ricardo. I'm
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: going to Ai Colin here, Okay, I just want to
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: let you know, so you take your eyes off the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: TV and stop watching soccer for a minute. The Mount Rushmore,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: according to Ai Colin of New York Knicks, four of.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: New York Knicks starts with Patrick Ewing fifteen years franchise Cornerstone,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the Face of the Garden. Then I'm going Walt Clyde, Fraser,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Willis Reid, and I'll put Jalen Brunson on it right
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: now because he's already shacking forty point nights and dragging
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: them through big moments. That's the miss titles legacy and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the modern engine.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: I think Ai Colin might be a victim to recency bias. Also,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: you had mellow probably, no, not necessarily mellow.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Bernard King.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I gotta go Bernard King. I mean, look, while
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: we were talking to Greene yesterday, I spend most of
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: the time just looking at Bernard King's stats that dude
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: was good. Talk about the king. He should have been
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: a chosen one, right.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: I also have another. I also have another athlete if
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: they were named after a designer brand.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: What O?
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: What is this right, Jeff Giorgio ARMANI that's.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: A good.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Do you have? Demosh Leia Forno's that wrong? I'm so stupid?
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  Speaker 3: the Herd is.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: By the way, ste I also believe that No, I'm
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: just run right through this. I also believe that James
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: Harden is going to ruin these Cavaliers. He's gonna ruin
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: these cavaliers. Donovan Mitchell is already not like the vocal
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: like raw raw, let's go leader, and then James Harden
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: is definitely not that right. So if James Harden is
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: playing like poo poo, you're not gonna see Donovan Mitchell
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: go after him. In fact, I don't know if you
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: saw this after the game where Donovan Mitchell is like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: We're not worried. He's James Harden. That's exactly why you
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: should be worried. Like, honestly, if I'm the coach there,
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: I'm probably lessening his minutes to like twenty four to
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: twenty two and then just see what happens, because it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: pretty obvious when you continually have more turnovers than field
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: goals made, you should not be the point guard.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Taylor put it on the poll. Does is he care
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: about James Harden more than any other person on the planet.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: I've never cared about a Cleveland Cavaliers basketball playoff series
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: more than this one because of James Harden.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I'll look it up. Yeah, go ahead,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: to go ahead.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: As a Yankee fan, to me, what this feels like
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: is I am hyper aware to anytime anybody says anything
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: about Derek Jeter to where if I'll like just be
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: walking down the street and all of a sudden, my
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: spidy senses start tingling, being like, I could I know
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: somebody right now in Boston on w EE I is
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: talking about Derek Jeter not being that great of a defender.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Right, Taylor? I know you.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: We were talking about, you know, wrong place, wrong time,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: kind of hall of fame, right place, right, Tom Taylor,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: leave the room for a second, Okay, just if you
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: wouldn't mind, because I want to ask these guys a question.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Don't you dare game together over here?
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: No?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Really because because I do believe, like with Draymond Green,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Michael Irvin once told me.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Really thinking about Draymond Green on not the last twenty
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: four hours I.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Really have because I don't listen. I've been thinking about
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: his career and whether or not I would like to
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: have his career. But Draymond Green is not a guy
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: if you placed him, if he was drafted by the Hornets. Okay,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: there's no way that Draymond Green has the career that
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: he's had. So he landed right place, right time.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Michael Irvin used to tell me that there are guys
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: who win championships, and there are guys who win those
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: guys championships, meaning the reason they have rings is because
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: of guys like Michael Jordan. And there's a big, big difference. Now,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: basketball is a different sport. You're playing five at a time.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: One guy is as important in that sport than any
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: other sport. So, Taylor, I need you to leave the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: room for a second when I ask these guys this question,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: because I want them to guess what your reaction is
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: going to be. Okay, he's gone, Derek Jeter, if he
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: goes to the Pirates. Okay, right place, right time, Mikey's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: gonna get mad at me, already see it. But if
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Derek Jeter plays out his entire career with the Pittsburgh Pirates,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: we do not think of Derek Jeter the way we
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: do today is that fair.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Is, right place, right time. Hall of Fame.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm saying if he played for the Pirates, he
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: would not be Derek Jeter. He would be.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying, I think Taylor will
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: divorce you on the spot. I think it's just the
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: new show is just going to miss you that and
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: maybe I issy that's no company, no company, No Taylor
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: company is leaving now, the VIP room gone.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what happens if Derek Jeter was a pirate.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: Wait, how'd you get back in? Jason supposed to be listening.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Jason Kendall becomes Joe Pisada, Oliver Perez becomes Andy Pettitt.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: The pieces around Derek Jeter, Derek Jeter is an elevator.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: Everybody around Derek Jeter gets better. Aramas Ramirez today is
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: a Hall of Famer. If Derek Jeter was a pirate.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Right, terrible person to choose Derek Jeter, of all people.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: The worst one.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: No, it's no, it is guys, Come on serious. If
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Derek Jeter was if he came up in the Pirates
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: farm system and played his entire career for Pittsburgh, you
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: think Jeter's good enough where Pittsburgh would have won World Series?
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: What are you crazy?
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: Tell I'll tell you another thing. Not only that, but
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Jim Leland was the manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates in
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: nineteen ninety six, which was Derek Jeter's rookie year. Okay,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: with the Yankees. If Jim Leland had been managing Derek
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Jeter as a rookie, he never would have left Pittsburgh,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: never would have gotten to Florida, never would have won
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: a World Series with the Marlins.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, he would have stayed there.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: He would have stayed there and managed Derek Jeter for
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: the entirety of his career.
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: Brian Giles would be Bernie Williams.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: What are you guys taught?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Wait, what do you do with the Pirates? So the
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Pirates would be the Yankees. There'd be a monument park
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: out in Pittsburgh Stadium right now where I'm actually sitting
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: there flipping through the seasons of Pittsburgh starting in ninety six,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: not a five hundred season among them.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: And so yeah, Derek Jeter would have turned this into
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: more than a respectable organization.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: Again, remember David Wells. Yeah, pirates had Kip Wells, he
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: becomes a sad thing, serious.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Couple of Wells cutting it up.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and now I'm looking at two thousand and nine
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: to see if he would have won the World Series
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: with those Pittsburgh Pirates, Man sixty two and ninety nine
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: would have had a lot of.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Work to do, right, That's what I'm saying.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: One guy does not make up that difference, not in
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: that sport, not when you're playing nine guys at a time.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Does it work like that?
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on to suggest that Derek Jeter is
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: in the right place, right time. Hall of Fame might
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: be one of your worst takes.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: No, it's not, no tate Derek Jeter off the Yankees. Okay,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: he goes it's the right place at the right time,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: that's all. He was its right place, right tight, that's all.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: But I could have picked about a dozen organizations that
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: would have been the right place for the right time
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: for that guy. Because that guy is that good.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Right, do you agree Scotty Pippen right place, right time, Yes, yes, right,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Like Scotty Pippen goes to the LA Clippers and he's
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: not Scotty Pippen.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: He's not in the right place, right place, right time,
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: hall of Fame because I still think he would have
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: had a Hall of Fame career. It might have been
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: fringe as opposed to automatic first ballot Hall of Famer,
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: but he still would have been a five to six
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: maybe seven time All Star, great defender, probably would have
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: had a Hall of Fame career for himself.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: So every year would have been similar to the year
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: he played without Jordan, where they get to the Eastern
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Conference semi finals. He was still a very good player.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: He was in the every conversation that year. Yeah, for sure,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: the MVP. All right, all right, that's fair. But Jeter
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: to the Royals, I mean, come on, I.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Mean, what do you guys all right?
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: Nineteen ninety six Royals and see what they were doing?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Do the Pirates playing pinstripes?
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Like what are we doing? I don't understand serious.
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: We would have got pinstrips added to the Pirates uniform
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh and pirates would have stood for pinstripes.
• 38:44
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• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Jeff Passing is with us. He graduated here from Syracuse.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: This is a very nice school. It's a school, Jeff,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that I feel like I don't really belong being in.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And if I had this equipment growing up, you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: and actually had some training in this, perhaps I would
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: be better. If I attended the New House School broadcasting,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I'd be pretty good at this. I mean, this place
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is amazing.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Jeff.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Well, on one hand, you've made a career out of
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: defiling things, so this is kind of far for the course.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: But beyond that, beyond that, you have contributed in the
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: neighborhood of three hundred and fifty thousand dollars over the
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: last four years university. So I think you can do
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: whatever you want right now. I think you can make
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: a mockery smash a window, going graffiti all over the place,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: you know, the cross out Tariko, crossout costas I am
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: eagle whatever.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Yes, you've earned it, so thank you.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Permission.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: At least, yes, listen, I bought my way into the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: New House School of Broadcasting through my daughter. But McDonough
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: was on earlier and he was making the joke congratulations
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: of getting that bill off of your expen sheet.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's listen, I'm starting next year, so I
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: understand completely. And here's the thing. You had a Division
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: IE athlete too, So at very least I would hope
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: that some of that was taking care of My kids
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: go into D three. So I have the combination of
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: playing sports but getting no benefit out of it. So yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I'm ninety k in the hole every year for the
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: four years and not looking forward to it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Enjoy it, buddy, I love the podcast. I texted you
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: earlier this week. Sources tell Jeff pass It it's a
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: great name for your podcast.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Are you enjoying it?
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: I'm loving it, man, Like it's it's hard doing what
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: you do. That's that's what I'm figuring out. Like we're
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: treating this like a weekly television show. And you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: being as involved as I am with more or less everything,
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: I did not understand the second full time job I
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: was going to be taking on. But it's it's, you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: my my job at ESPN, my main job is often
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: reacting to, or at least chasing down something that's happening.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: It's a it's a passive endeavor doing a show like this.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: It's creating something and it's coming up with ideas that
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: you we're going to be interesting and compelling and seeing
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: them from start to finish. And that's not something I've
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: done before. So it's been an absolute blast and I'm
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: not sleeping at all in eleven every minute of its endeavor.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I knew it was coming, he did.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: The filling of time is hard me and Balboni Jones
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: laugh about this all the time, just how hard it
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: is to do this. Not that we're patting ourselves on
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the back, but it originates our conversation from a story
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: on Radio Row where Travis Hunter was trying to launch
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: a podcast during Super Bowl Week on Radio Row and
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Baumani walked past him and somehow struck up a conversation
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: with him, and he said, man, what you do for
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: a living is really hard, and that guy plays football
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: for a living.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Jeff, Yeah, that guy plays football and he plays cornerback
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: and wide receivers, so he plays football at like the
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Otani level. Yes, and he's having a tough time. Butmani
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Jones is also the person who, among everybody in our industry,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: I have great faith could talk uninterrupted and pull off
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: like a twenty hour filibuster on Capitol Hill if he
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: needed to. Bo's never had a difficult time filling air,
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: has he?
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: No, I've heard him do that. Actually, he's never had trouble.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Now, Taylor, this is interesting, so I am not certain
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: we've discussed this with you. Taylor is such a big
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Yankee fan, and Cam Schlittler is having such a great
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: year that he has said on record on national radio
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Jeff Passion that he would not trade Camp straight up
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: for Paul Skeins.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about that.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: Jeff, I said it before the season too.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think you were stupid before the season
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: as well as.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: This is why I did that text you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Here's the thing. You could name just about any other
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: pitcher and I would actually a group. Cam Schlitzler is awesome,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Paul Skins is just on another level. And with Trek
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: scoobl out right now, I think Paul Skeins is unequivocally, undoubtedly,
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: without any competition, the best pitcher in baseball going right now.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: But to me, the most interesting part of Cam Schlitzler
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: speaks to what the New York Yankees have been able
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: to do. And for a long time, the Yankees had
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: a difficult time growing pitching internally. You know, they would
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: have guys who had decent strikeout rates in the minor leagues,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: other teams want to trade for him, But once they
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: got to the big league level, they were just like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: you know, clutch Bit was good, got hurt Will Warren
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: last year wasn't a whole lot. Gave up that monster
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Grand Slam to Vlad Guerrero and the playoffs that knocked
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: the Yankees out, but a dominant like frontline starter. It's
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: been a long time since the Yankees did that. Even
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Luis Heel, you know, going and winning Rookie of the Year,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: couldn't have a rotation and spot this season. So to
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: see Schlittler go from drafted and throwing eighty eight to
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: ninety miles per hour to a guy who now sits
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: ninety seven to ninety nine will hit triple digits regularly,
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: he's awesome and he's part of the reason that the
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Yankees are the overwhelming favorites in the American League right now,
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: because not only are they doing this with the staff
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: they've got now, but Carlos Redon's coming back this weekend.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Garrett Cole's not far off. Yankees are going to get better,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: and that is a scary thing for the rest of.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: The Al Jeff on the topic of Yankee prospects, The
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: Yankees are calling up Spencer Jones. Yankee fans have heard
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: a ton about him. They're already comparing him to Aaron Judge.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: They're putting the number side by side to what they
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: did in the minor leagues. What do you think are
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: fair expectations for Jones as he makes his MLB debut.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Spencer Jones is going to hit home runs, I think
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: that much. We know he is six foot seven and
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: two hundred and forty pounds in an absolute unit and
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: has a beautiful, let tammant swing. That being said, the
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: reason that Aaron Judge has managed to become the best
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: hitter in Major League Baseball over the past few seasons
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: is because he has cut down on the swing and
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: miss and he still strikes out a fair bit. But
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Spencer Jones's strikeouts have been off the charts bad, and
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: the fact that he's still managed to be as productive
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: as he has in the minor league speaks to those
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: other skills. So if he can evolve to maybe swing
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: and miss a little bit less, even if he cut
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: it down by five percent, that takes him from big
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: leaguer to all SAR. And if his play discipline can
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: get even better than that, you know it cuts down
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: his strikeout rate by ten percent. Let's say we're talking
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: about a perennial MVP candidate. That's how good the power is.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: But it's difficult to especially when you're in the big
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: leagues facing better stuff than you ever have before to
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: limit the strikeouts, like he's going to need to to
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: reach that talent that he has.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: Jeff, one of my favorite adjustments to baseball over the
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: last several years is the elaborate dugout celebration for home runs.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: And I want to ask you your favorite, because I
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: came across one this week of the Colorado Rockies when
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: they throw on that purple faux fur coat, which is
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: absolutely beautiful. I don't care how fake it is. That's
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: my favorite by far. I don't know if you have
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: a favorite.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I like the Blue Jays home run jacket only because
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I feel like it speaks to the team and its
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: character and who it is more than anything. They have
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: the flags of all the countries that the players play
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: for on it. I like the Mariners tried it too,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: just because it looks kind of pressbl but I'm I'm
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: all for dugout celebrations of any variety. Like baseball is
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: a sport that for so long was like the dry
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: chicken breast of the sports. It was unappealing and unseasoned
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: and just not fun at all. And it's like we
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: finally got some going on here. We've got some we
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: got some seasoning, we got some flavor. We baseball's needed
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: it for a long time. And hey, if that is,
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: you know, pushing a cart through the dugout, wearing a
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: helmet in the dugout, a faux purple coat, or any
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: of the other celebrations, I'm here for it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: Jeff Stu was very quick to throw out Sorry, Stu
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: was very quick to throw out Taylor's terrible trade idea.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: So let me ask you one of Stu's terrible ideas.
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: If Derek Jeter had come up with the Pirates, He's
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: not He's not Derek Jeter. As Stu would.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Say, yes, thank you, get at it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: He went as far as saying that Derek Jeter is
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: in the right place, right time, Hall of Fame, which
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: I think is a bit much.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I agree that's a bit much. I just don't think
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: he's Derek Jeter. I think he's more like Bobby Witt,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: which is that you are not appreciated nearly as much
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: when you're not in one of those huge markets. I
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: think that's a reasonable thing. And I don't know that
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Derek Jeter is going to be less of a player,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: But I'll say this I think Derek Jeter is going
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: to get fewer opportunities in that situation to do the
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: sorts of historic things that we remember him for. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: so I do think time and place matter with guys,
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: and I think ignoring the idea that one franchise is
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: going to be a more ideal fit. And part of
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: what made Derek Jeter as great as he was, guys,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: was the fact that he could survive the snake pit
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: that can be New York sports and emerge not just
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: you know, with his full health and with his full production,
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: but having better benefited from it and having been a
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: part of it. I think that you put Derek Jeter
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: into Pittsburgh and the full Derek jeterness of him just
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: never is is brought to the forefront. He's still he's
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: still a great player, Don't get me wrong, He's great
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: wherever he is. But but the level that he's at
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: I think was in I'm not going to say in
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: large part, but certainly in part because he was a Yankee.
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: And I think he would probably say that too.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yep, you see what's happening here, guys, us new House guys.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: We stick together, we do. That's that's a couple of
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: new house guys cutting it up.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's where you can still go to school there. Right,
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: there's no like age limit.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: To go back. He's right, Taylor, go ahead, and Taylor,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: do you.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: Think they would accept him? What was your what was
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: your s A t too?
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: What?
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: What's an s A T his saturdays?
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: The score like a you know, like a ninety two
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: eighteen oals?
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: All right, sounds it sounds very accurate.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: I have a soft spot.
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: I have a soft spot in my heart for the
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: Chicago Cubs team because if you go to summer in
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: Wrigley Field, it's unbelievable. Is this Cubs team built to
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: win in the postseason? Because I know they're off to
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: a great start, but when you look at this team,
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: it doesn't really feel like they have the pitching, although
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: they're great on defense almost across the board, and they
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: do have players that could put the ball.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: I'm glad you have to preface that with them having
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: a soft spot in your heart.
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: Because I want the Cubs success.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: It was necessary.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's a perfectly reasonable question because I think they
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: are an excellent regular season team. They are one through
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: nine in that lineup. It reminds me somewhat of the
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Blue Jays last year, where they have guys who have
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: slug but they also can put the ball in play,
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: and they are deep, and it's tough to pitch that lineup.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: You know, when when peek Row Armstrong, who hit thirty
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: home runs last year is hittingn ethan, your lineup like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: you know, you run deep. And the defense, I do
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: not want to undersell that one bit. It's the best
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: defense in baseball. They are so solid everywhere across the diamond,
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: but especially up the middle with Pca and center field,
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Dansby Swanson at short, Nico Horner at second. Like it's
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: a really good team. But the pitching issues warranted, fair understandable.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: And that's what concerns me about the Cubs, because let's
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: think about who they're going to have to go up
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: against in the postseason. If it's the Dodgers, you've got
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Yamamoto and Otani and Snell and Glass now not fun
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: to face. And frankly, the number one pitcher for the Cubs,
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: whether it's Matt Boyd coming back from knee surgery or
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Showdy Monaga, I don't even know. If they make the
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: top four of the Dodgers and I'm not sure that
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: the Cubs bullpen at this point, frankly, is deep enough,
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: because you can navigate a postseason without a whole lot
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: of starting pitching. We've seen the Houston Astros do that before,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: we saw the Dodgers do that a couple of years ago.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: You don't need like all of this frontline pitching to
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: find success, but if you don't have that, you better
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: have a damn good bullpen. And the Cubs bullpen at
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: this point it's it's fine, is it good? I wouldn't
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: put it up there yet.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Jeff, I failed.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry good.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say I failed us here because we
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: were talking about skeens for Cam straight up, and you
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: know Collin's audience. They miss Colin today, and so we
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: have Collins thoughts. Ai Collins thoughts on skeens for Schlitzler,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: straight up, go ahead, Ai Colin.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: A one for one swap makes no sense for the
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Yankees because Cam Splitzler is already pitching like a frontline
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: ace five and one a run average, fifty three strikeouts
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and a zero eighty seven whip and you're not paying
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the new toy tax to get it. Paul Skeens is
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: a monster reigning National League young and he's dealing again
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: two thirty six earned run average, forty six strikeouts.
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: In forty two innings.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: But if your guy is already in that neighborhood, you
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: keep the extra year of control and the organizational stability. Also,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: trading your own ace in the making for another ace
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't fix the stuff that usually breaks October teams, defense,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: situational hitting, bullpen volatility. So yes, Skeens is the headline,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: but Schlittler is the smart money.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: It doesn't even know what to do with that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: Okay, I can hear none of it. Didn't hear any
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: none of it?
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Oh he couldn't hear it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Oh you couldn't hear Ai college no idea.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, why did anyone tell me? So you guys
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: act like fool Yeah, okay, you should just know that
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: Ailin entirely agreed with Taylor.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: So listen. It's listen.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: It's one thing for CC Sabathia, who actually came on
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: our show and agreed with Taylor. Okay, he got caught
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: up in the moment. He's he Yankee guy.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: You want to.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Upset camp, all right, But Ai Colin also just disagreed
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: with me and you two new house guys, and agree
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: with Taylor.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: How about that? Huh?
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Honestly, it makes me feel good. I don't want to
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: do do you know how often AI is wrong? Like
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: all of us have used AI in some form or fashion,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: and do we ever step away from it thinking, you know,
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: that was a pleasant experience. I really feel like AI
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: answered my question. No, they answer a question in a
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: terrifyingly like pleasant manner. They say, oh, that's a good
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: you know, that's a great question. That's a good premise
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: that you have. No, they get things wrong all the time.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: If we are leaning on AI for baseball analysis, then
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: we have lost the plot.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: Gentlemen, are you saying AI likes the gaslight people because
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: I don't believe that?
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: No, of course not. Of course, why would it ever
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: do that?
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Come on, I'm with Passing on this. But again, we
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: went to the same school, so I mean I have
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: his back, he has probably back. I am so glad
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: that someone finally alerted me because we were about to
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: play a game which requires you hearing imaging, and I
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: am so thrilled that someone finally figured out that Passing
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: can't hear any sound that's being fired off from Sherman
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Oaks or Miami.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: How about that?
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: Let me ask you a quard.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you this, I heard the back end of it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: So if we want to try it one more time,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: by all means, I'd love to have a conversation with Ai.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: This isot right. Well, hold on, I thought my day
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: was going.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: To get Let's ask Let's see if you could hear
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: this Ai Collins thoughts on whether or not the Dodgers,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: the LA Dodgers, they you know, they have a dynasty
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: going on, and there I have questioned whether or not
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: they're good for baseball.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Let's see if Ai Colin agrees with me.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: No, the Los Angeles Dodgers aren't bad for baseball.
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: They're gasoline on the fire.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: When you've got a monster brand that travels well and
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to beat, it gives the sport a villain,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a measuring stick, and a reason to watch on a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: random Tuesday night. What's bad for baseball is the deadweight
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: franchises that don't spend, don't develop, and don't try. Those
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: teams drain the energy out of the whole league. So
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: let the Dodgers be great and let everybody else chase them.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Did you hear it?
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: I did? I did hear that. I didn't realize that
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: that that AI column was part of the Democratic Socialists
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: of America.
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: Wow, that was that was quite a.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: Thing right there. I mean, it's like, here's the thing
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: you're going to see this over the next year, is
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: the labor negotiation plays out. Collective Bargaining Agreement of December first,
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: there's almost certainly going to be a lockout. And there
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: are very pro labor sects of the fan base that
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: essentially made the argument that Ai Colin made right there,
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: and there's some validity to it. Actually, I I think
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers are good in the same way that the
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Yankees were good back in the nineteen nineties. It is
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: a measuring stick. It's something that every other team can
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: aspire to beat, and when somebody does beat them, it's
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: a big deal. So yeah, as long as the Dodgers
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: are playing within the rules, which they are, I feel
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: like what they're doing actually does, as AI Colin said,
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: expose those teams that are.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: I just want to say this out loud, because I
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: know everything is listening. When we inevitably go to war
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: with our artificial intelligence. I am not on Jeff Passon's
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: side on this. I am Jeff is on his own
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: on this one.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: I got your back.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: I'm fine.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: It's like, I will admit I'm polite to AI.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: When I talk to it, I ask please.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know how I feel about that, but it's
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: just like, there's this entity that's trying to help me,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: and I don't want to be a turd toward it,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: even though I know there's no humanity there. You're just
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: a compendium of things that all of us have written
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: throughout history and somehow process it into knowledge. This like
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, I'm like the anti Carol Stirca.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: I would much rather be like Carol and and look
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: at the machine as if it's a force of evil.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: But it's just so helpful. Sometimes when my partner does
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: get things wrong, I'm still pleasant to it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: When my partner curses at Alexa, I get so cringey.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh no, why are you talking to her
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: like that?
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: Busy is selling out the human race hard in the
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: in the Future Wars, I.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Said, Jeff, We're we're glad you you could hear that
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: AI Colin, and so we hope that means you can
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: hear this. We're gonna play a game with you and
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: get you out here in just a second. It's a
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: game we like to call one table.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Sit.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Who's getting it and who's getting left outside? Greatness gets seated,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: everyone else waits.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: This is one table, So, Jeff, there's one table at
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: the hottest restaurant in Atlanta. Greg Maddox walks in, Tom
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: Glavin walks in, and John Smoltz walks in. Who gets
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: the table?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: That's a good question, excellent Who gets it or who
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: should get it? Who gets who gets the You're running
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: that restaurant, and those three walk in at the exact
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: same time you have one table, they're with their families.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Who gets the table?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Greg Maddox all day?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Really wow?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, best best picture of the bunch. But beyond that,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: Greg Maddox was the king of like clubhouse poop jokes,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: and that's the kind of guy who I want dining
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: at my restaurant.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: He was a really low talker. He used to really
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: tick me off. And I was in the back of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: the crowd and he was in there tongue and his
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: answers like this. I think he did that on purpose.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: He did and Also, you should have you should have
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: been there earlier. Like, he'll go your way to the front.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: You're this guy.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: This is how he became a holiday baseball writer.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, you could kick the ass of ninety nine percent
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: of reporters. I imagine. I've seen you shirtless. It's majestic,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: and like, why are you not using that to your advantage?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: You're right, I should just take off my shirt. They'll
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: all just make room.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: No, he doesn't seabel part.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: No, this is he's the kind of guy that will
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: drive you crazy, Jeff, because you're right. When he takes
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: his shirt off, he does look majestic. He's in better
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: shape than any of us will ever be. And is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: he thinks he doesn't look good. He thinks he's in
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: bad shape.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: No, that's a whole different thing. Also, I was twenty two,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: so I was noth.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but no one likes that guy who's in better
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: shape than we.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Are and is constantly getting upset and telling everyone, Hey,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not in good shape. Cincinnati. There's a restaurant, it's Cincinnati, Okay,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Joey Vado walks in Okay, the Vados. I've tried to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: think of another Cincinnati rad boy because if I say
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: the Roses, You're gonna give the table to the Roses.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: But people don't realize just how popular Joey Vodo is
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. So I'm gonna go Vados and the Roses.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Who gets the table? Pete Rose? Good player, not.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: A good dude.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: I was trying to sway him.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Well, Pete Rose isn't alive.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: I know, I mean he doesn't.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Matter.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I mean just you know, you know Pete Rose and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: his prime boto is prime.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: Brought into the restaurant.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Pete Rose.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: He would still get the table.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: Dead. Pete Rose still gets the table.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, Pete Rose, Mike, all right, go ahead?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Does he have one?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, go ahead?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: This table is in Los Angeles, Jeff, Oh boy, Sandy
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: Kofax walks in, and sho he Otani walks in. Who
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: gets the table?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: Oh my, I'm traveling.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Oh that's a really good one.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: I think I think they give it. I think they
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: give it to Otani?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: What what I do?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: He just got there?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: I think the it's la it's la. Once you're like once,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: you're not a thing anymore. I know, Sandy Kofax will
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: always be a thing, But I don't think that at restaurants.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: Is this my restaurant?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Yes you decide yes, No, no, No, it's my restaurant.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: It's Sandy Kofax. You're asking a Jewish guy if.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: He's gonna see Sandy anyone.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: I would see Sandy Kofax over God himself.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Wait, so, if it's your restaurant, are you allowing the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: dead Pete Rose to sit in't it?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: I'm going bato there.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: I don't think God was that good at baseball all right, to.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: Have no shirt, no shoes, no breathing, no service, like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: we got to have that up the front.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going back to New York for a second. Aaron Judge,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Derek Jeter, one table.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Derek Jeter always wow, Derek Jeter has a Pittsburgh pirate.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: Probably doesn't get.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: The I think it would be Judge. I think it
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: would be Judge at that point, because Derek Jeter is
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: not Derek Jeter if he's a Pittsburgh pirate. Yeah, you're right,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: just like that, ran out of time.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Again, Dead Pete Rose, Jeff pass it.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you for the time, Get out of the here.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Check out his new podcast wherever you get your podcast.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: He's the best to doing it right now. We appreciate it, Buddy,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you,