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End of the Bloodline | The Távora Affair · Beheaded

0:04
SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:06
SPEAKER_03: Welcome to season four, episode nine.
0:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm Megan Moore.
0:10
SPEAKER_02: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:11
SPEAKER_02: And if you hear background noise, it is so hot in this room.
0:16
SPEAKER_02: We're recording.
0:17
SPEAKER_02: We had to open the window.
0:18
SPEAKER_02: We apologize.
0:19
SPEAKER_02: We had no choice.
0:20
SPEAKER_02: There might be like a fighter jet behind us or cars.
0:24
SPEAKER_02: We just had a loud car bump in some music.
0:26
SPEAKER_03: Kind of bobbed our heads a bit as it came by.
0:30
SPEAKER_02: So Arizona is hot, as we all know.
0:33
SPEAKER_02: And we get like one week of beautiful spring, and then it goes from 75 to 100 overnight.
0:40
SPEAKER_03: I have to say though, usually you get a little more of spring than what we had this year.
0:44
SPEAKER_03: Like this year, it was cold, cold, cold, cold.
0:47
SPEAKER_03: Like again, as a runner, like I wake up, I immediately check the weather to see like how many layers I'm putting on when I go out.
0:54
SPEAKER_03: And I'm naturally like a cold person, so I always usually have to wear like a zip-up of some kind.
0:59
SPEAKER_03: And I literally was wearing like leggings and zip-ups until like three days ago.
1:04
SPEAKER_03: And then all of a sudden it decided to be 100 degrees outside.
1:07
SPEAKER_02: Today it was 98.
1:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09
SPEAKER_02: Worst of all, we record upstairs in my house, and I guess the AC is not working.
1:14
SPEAKER_02: We just walked up and it was 85 degrees in the room.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: So we're like trying to air it out.
1:19
SPEAKER_02: And so, you know what?
1:20
SPEAKER_02: If there's if there's wind in the background, just deal with it.
1:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, what's happening right now?
1:25
SPEAKER_02: Something's coming.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: This is live coming at you.
1:27
SPEAKER_02: That's a plane.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: That sounds like a plane.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: That sounds like the um 845 going to London.
1:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
1:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, no, so um, we apologize, but like we we had a discussion.
1:40
SPEAKER_02: Like, should we choose to die or should we choose to have like poor quality?
1:45
SPEAKER_02: And tonight we're choosing poor quality.
1:47
SPEAKER_03: We could like survey the listeners and see what they would think.
1:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, considering some podcast about torture and execution, they might want to see us die.
1:57
SPEAKER_02: Die.
1:58
SPEAKER_02: Die in season four, episode nine.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: My vote was keep the window closed until we almost die.
2:06
SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth said, keep the window open until it's too bad.
2:09
SPEAKER_02: Which I'm fine with.
2:10
SPEAKER_02: Let's keep the window open until we have some like marching band walking by.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: Which don't joke, you never know.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: I do, I actually know that's a real thing.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: I live across the street from a high school.
2:21
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: They you can hear their they start their practice at 6 a.m.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: on Fridays.
2:27
SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
2:28
SPEAKER_03: Ooh, that's rough.
2:29
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm pretty sure they must have like their first period class at 7 a.m.
2:33
SPEAKER_02: That's gotta be like illegal, like to the city ordinances, right?
2:36
SPEAKER_02: It's really only in the fall, like up to homecoming, that they do this.
2:40
SPEAKER_02: So like right now, not so much.
2:42
SPEAKER_02: But whenever there's games, we know there's gonna be a home game because they're out there at 6 a.m.
2:47
SPEAKER_02: Really.
2:49
SPEAKER_02: The way like my bedroom is positioned, I swear it's like echolocation or something.
2:54
SPEAKER_02: Is that a thing?
2:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, you also have like a little, I guess, courtyard coming up from your room.
2:59
SPEAKER_02: So it's like funnels in and goes straight into my bedroom.
3:02
SPEAKER_02: Into your ears.
3:03
SPEAKER_02: And all three of us, as in me, my husband, and my dog, all at once, we all wake up and we're just like, what?
3:09
SPEAKER_03: The marketing manager and Penny.
3:11
SPEAKER_02: The marketing manager, the marketing manager, assistant, and the producer.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: They all wake up and they go, What the hell?
3:19
SPEAKER_02: Every Friday at 6 a.m.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
3:22
SPEAKER_02: And the thing is, is they're not even good.
3:24
SPEAKER_02: Like it'd be one thing if it was good.
3:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it matters at that point.
3:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm not even joking.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: I I'm not making this up.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: There was a morning, 6 a.m.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: The song that they started to rehearse with was a marching band version of My Heart Will Go On by Celine Dion.
3:42
SPEAKER_02: Wait, that's magical.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: It was not.
3:45
SPEAKER_02: I would love to wake up to that.
3:49
SPEAKER_03: Like it was so off-key.
3:51
SPEAKER_03: That's true.
3:52
SPEAKER_03: I guess that that song was like.
3:53
SPEAKER_03: With a drama that we know, like, do, do, do, and we're like, oh god, this is our life.
3:58
SPEAKER_03: There's like a funny YouTube video, if you look it up, of like um the first Jurassic Park movie where the it's like the first scene where they see the dinosaurs.
4:07
SPEAKER_03: So it shows them like looking in awe, like out across the valley, but you don't see the dinosaurs yet.
4:12
SPEAKER_03: And then it cuts to the scene where you start to see the dinosaurs like roam around this little valley, but it's with like an off-key harmonica that they play the like the song.
4:23
SPEAKER_03: And it's just so funny because at that moment you realize how important like music is to these big blockbuster movies of like this is setting this the stage, like this is determining the tone of this scene in this movie and this like feeling, and instead it's like uh ha ha ha ha.
4:41
SPEAKER_03: And it's like you just die laughing because you just realize, like, oh my god, it's not music.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: Music means a lot.
4:47
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we should get new music for our um our intro.
4:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm kind of married to our music now.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: It's a little amateur.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: Whoa.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: Whoa, you think we should OG music?
4:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's like it's nostalgic to me.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: Fun fact if you go to episode one, it's a very longer, it's a long version of that song.
5:06
SPEAKER_03: You're right.
5:07
SPEAKER_03: And everyone was like, the intro's too long.
5:09
SPEAKER_03: That's it.
5:10
SPEAKER_03: We should yeah, we shortened it after that.
5:11
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
5:12
SPEAKER_03: Well, maybe season five we'll have new music.
5:16
SPEAKER_03: Oh my, I don't want to commit to things we can't do.
5:18
SPEAKER_03: Can we do that?
5:19
SPEAKER_02: Should I go talk to the marching band?
5:21
SPEAKER_03: You know the perfect place to go to set this up.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
5:26
SPEAKER_03: That would be kind of funny.
5:27
SPEAKER_03: Off key version of our intro.
5:31
SPEAKER_03: We'll think about it.
5:32
SPEAKER_03: Just batting around some ideas right now.
5:34
SPEAKER_03: I'm so mad it's already 100 degrees outside.
5:37
SPEAKER_03: I know.
5:37
SPEAKER_03: Well, again, to be fair, it usually is this hot at this time of year.
5:42
SPEAKER_03: We usually just get a longer, nice period of time where it's like good weather.
5:47
SPEAKER_03: This went from like it's cold to like it's fucking hot.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm just angry.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: And I'm angry, I think, because I'm thinking my AC is broken, which is the last thing you want.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: It might be.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: Um We have had like nothing to report.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: We've been we've been busy.
6:01
SPEAKER_02: We've been busy enough where it was where it's been hard to get together to record, but like not busy enough where we but we were sitting, we're like, what have we been doing for the past?
6:10
SPEAKER_02: I was sick for like a full week.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I didn't even ask you how you were doing today.
6:14
SPEAKER_02: I totally forgot about that.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: How are you doing?
6:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm good now, I think.
6:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:17
SPEAKER_03: You were pretty you were pretty sick.
6:19
SPEAKER_03: I was like, like it wasn't like, oh, I'm I'm feeling under the weather.
6:23
SPEAKER_03: It was like on your couch for three days, four days, really, just dead.
6:27
SPEAKER_03: So what was your main symptom?
6:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, I wouldn't say there was a main one because all the symptoms.
6:32
SPEAKER_03: A little COVID.
6:33
SPEAKER_03: I thought I had COVID.
6:34
SPEAKER_03: I I went and got a COVID test because I was like, I just gotta be sure in case like for work and whatever.
6:39
SPEAKER_03: And uh I did not have COVID, but I had all the symptoms.
6:42
SPEAKER_03: It was like I had like shortness of breath, fatigue, like like headache, nausea, like uh, you know, runny nose, coughing, like violent coughing.
6:52
SPEAKER_03: Oh but it was just an upper respiratory infection, which is great.
6:56
SPEAKER_03: That's gross.
6:57
SPEAKER_03: I apologize.
6:58
SPEAKER_03: I think my voice still sounds a little weird.
7:00
SPEAKER_03: I think I noticed in the last episode my voice was also just getting kind of like congested.
7:04
SPEAKER_03: What we didn't share in the last episode, because it was right before you started getting sick.
7:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you had like a sneezing fit that night.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: Like a lot.
7:12
SPEAKER_02: And I we just kind of owed it up to allergies.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna I'm actually like the editing on that wasn't so terrible because when I was editing, I just for shits and giggles, I was counting how many sneezing fits you had, and it I ended at 11, where it was like you would, and you if you go back and if you're careful, you could maybe tell.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: Because you start talking really fast because you're trying to get your your statement out, and then it'll be like Yeah.
7:36
SPEAKER_03: I would like have one fast statement and then just like have an insane sneeze attack.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Then you're like, so sorry about that.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: So sorry.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: But you did a good job of just like repeating what you said.
7:46
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: It worked out fine.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm glad you're feeling better because I I thought you were allergic to my house.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: So I'm glad it was just a respiratory.
7:54
SPEAKER_03: Don't worry, it's just a respiratory infection applying.
7:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm always, I don't know about you guys, I'm always paranoid that like my house is dirty or it smells weird or it's dusty.
8:03
SPEAKER_02: No, you've got to do it.
8:04
SPEAKER_02: My toilets are weird.
8:05
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: I think I grew up like that with my mother being such a clean freak.
8:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: That if something's out of order, I'm instantly apologizing.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm so sorry this water bottle was sitting on the counter of my kitchen.
8:19
SPEAKER_02: I get it.
8:19
SPEAKER_03: I'm just a very there's like a funny Instagram video where it's like, it's like what my wife thinks guests do when they're in our house.
8:26
SPEAKER_03: And it's like, oh my god, you have trash in the trash.
8:29
SPEAKER_02: Like I do apologize for things like that.
8:32
SPEAKER_02: I have, I'm like, so sorry, there's just trash trash in my trash can.
8:35
SPEAKER_02: I haven't taken it out.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I get paranoid.
8:38
SPEAKER_02: So I'm glad I'm glad my house didn't make you sick.
8:41
SPEAKER_03: I think it's harder too when you live with somebody because it's like when I'm when I'm just like on my own, I I feel like I keep things very tidy.
8:48
SPEAKER_03: So it's rare that you see things like in disarray.
8:51
SPEAKER_03: Like maybe if you catch me on a weird day, like there's some things out of place.
8:54
SPEAKER_03: But when you live with like a boy, you're like, oh like how in what state did he leave the bathroom?
9:00
SPEAKER_03: Like, what does the bathroom do?
9:01
SPEAKER_03: I just don't know what you're walking into.
9:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, or like, you know, like I never noticed this until kind of recent.
9:08
SPEAKER_03: I don't know, maybe it's a new thing, but like Robbie like always leaves drawers and doors open.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: Like like Phil Dumfey from Modern Family.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: I was thinking more like poultry guy style, like when you walk in all the cabinets are just open.
9:21
SPEAKER_03: No, it's just like it's like I think it's a recent thing because he's never done this that I've noticed.
9:26
SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if because his schedule's changed recently, so maybe he's just kind of off or whatever.
9:30
SPEAKER_03: But I just like it's always like what?
9:32
SPEAKER_03: Like there's just drawers open, and there's cabinet doors open.
9:36
SPEAKER_02: That's in um that movie, The Marriage or A Marriage Story with Scarlett Johannes.
9:40
SPEAKER_02: Wait, isn't that like an Adam Dry?
9:42
SPEAKER_02: Like a very sad, depressing.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: It's such a good movie.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: I haven't watched that.
9:45
SPEAKER_02: It looks like it's also one of Tyler Swift's favorite movies.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: Um because it's like tumultuous.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: No, it's really good.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, like the first 10 minutes just starts with them listing off the things that they love and the things that they don't like about their partner.
9:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
9:59
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, every cabinet is open, and then it just shows him like going into rooms and like just shutting all the cabinets.
10:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's just because it's such a natural thing.
10:07
SPEAKER_03: Like you open it, you close it.
10:09
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so so I'm working on that with Robbie lately.
10:12
SPEAKER_03: I was like, Are you still are you still getting things out of this cabinet?
10:15
SPEAKER_03: Is this still open for a reason?
10:16
SPEAKER_03: He's like, Oh no.
10:18
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm gonna close it now.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: There are definitely Jake and I have been living with each other for 14 years now, which is a long time.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: And there are things that I know both of us do that to us at this point it's not even weird anymore.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: But then when someone else comes over and they see the weird shit that they do, they're like, that's not I'm like, is it?
10:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I I never noticed that one of us like you know, it's like you get so used to your everyday weird habits.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: Right.
10:44
SPEAKER_02: Trying to think I haven't really noticed anything with you and Jake.
10:47
SPEAKER_03: I definitely have noticed with other couples sometimes.
10:49
SPEAKER_02: We've got our weird things.
10:51
SPEAKER_02: I think the weirdest thing is just the normalcy.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: Is that a word?
10:56
SPEAKER_03: Normalcy.
10:57
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
10:59
SPEAKER_02: The normalcy of how we treat our dog when others, I'm sure, are like That is true.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know.
11:06
SPEAKER_02: Is it normal that every one of her toys has a name?
11:09
SPEAKER_02: Like Fifi LaRue, Tiki Tookie.
11:12
SPEAKER_03: Those are very specific names, but I think in general you develop like yeah, names.
11:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they all have names.
11:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, usually it's just like lamp chop and doggy and dragon and stuff like that.
11:22
SPEAKER_03: Oh no, they have very specific names, and she knows the names, as in the dog.
11:26
SPEAKER_02: We'll be like, okay, tookie tookie.
11:28
SPEAKER_03: Well, she didn't create the names to be fair.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: But she's not gonna be able to do that one of you who speaks approved the names.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: She approved of the names as we start using them.
11:39
SPEAKER_03: Okay, she nodded when you yeah, so we can like tell her to go get a toy and she'll go get it.
11:43
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
11:43
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, I'm sure we do weird things.
11:45
SPEAKER_03: That is impressive.
11:46
SPEAKER_03: I I like that she knows.
11:47
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess, again, um, I guess most animals kind of know the general names, but I I heard that dogs have about the vocabulary span of like a two-year-old.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: That's they know about 75 words or so.
11:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
11:59
SPEAKER_02: Like Penny definitely knows, you know, walk and I'm always impressed when I see like really intelligent dog videos.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I saw one recently of a service dog getting the medication on the counter.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: No.
12:12
SPEAKER_03: Ooh, I'll have to show it to you.
12:13
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
12:13
SPEAKER_03: I was thinking of one where a little boy dropped his like toy in like a pond, and he went, he goes, like the boy goes to get the toy, and the dog grabs him and pulls him away from the pond, and then he gets like a pool cleaner tool.
12:27
SPEAKER_03: The dog or the boy?
12:29
SPEAKER_03: The the dog.
12:30
SPEAKER_03: What?
12:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he gets like a pool cleaner toy and he fishes the toy out.
12:33
SPEAKER_03: What kind of dog?
12:35
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
12:36
SPEAKER_03: It looked like a foreign country.
12:37
SPEAKER_03: What was the dog's name?
12:39
SPEAKER_03: He looked kind of like um like a Aussie Shepherd.
12:43
SPEAKER_03: Do you feel that breeze?
12:44
SPEAKER_03: I do.
12:45
SPEAKER_03: Can you hear the breeze, everyone?
12:47
SPEAKER_03: I hear a car.
12:49
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
12:49
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
12:50
SPEAKER_03: It's our life now.
12:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't even care.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: It feels so good.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, shout out, shout out dogs.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
12:56
SPEAKER_03: Shout out smart dogs for knowing things.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: And that's our banter for the day.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: No, we should have more interesting things.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: We have nothing going on.
13:04
SPEAKER_03: We just we have things coming up.
13:05
SPEAKER_03: We have trips coming up.
13:06
SPEAKER_03: I am going to Mexico.
13:07
SPEAKER_03: You're in Mexico.
13:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm going to Louisville for another race.
13:11
SPEAKER_02: Very exciting.
13:11
SPEAKER_03: So we'll give you all those kinds of recaps.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: Penny's going on vacation.
13:15
SPEAKER_02: She's going to my house.
13:16
SPEAKER_02: Penny's going to E B's house.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: EB's house.
13:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm excited.
13:20
SPEAKER_02: And then you're going on vacation, then you're booting her to another place.
13:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm like, peace out, doggy.
13:25
SPEAKER_03: I also have vacation.
13:26
SPEAKER_02: But she's going to a doggy resort with TVs in their room.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: So TVs.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: And then the doggy resort has like little private, private suites with a she's getting a luxury suite with a TV.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Does that mean a kennel?
13:41
SPEAKER_02: It's an air-conditioned room without any cage.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: It's like a room with a sliding glass door.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: Really?
13:48
SPEAKER_02: And there's a TV in there?
13:49
SPEAKER_02: There's TV in there, and they turn on doggy TV for them all day.
13:53
unknown: Shut your place.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: I just finished saying we're weird with our dog, okay?
13:58
SPEAKER_02: What?
13:58
SPEAKER_02: She's my only child.
14:00
SPEAKER_03: I love dogs, but I've never seen this.
14:03
SPEAKER_02: She's my dog tur.
14:05
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
14:05
SPEAKER_03: Get it?
14:06
SPEAKER_03: Dog tur.
14:07
SPEAKER_03: I get it.
14:08
SPEAKER_03: Anywho.
14:08
SPEAKER_03: Um well I'm I'm responsible for taking her to this place.
14:12
SPEAKER_03: So I will I will check it out when I drop her off.
14:15
SPEAKER_03: Better assess you better take her.
14:17
SPEAKER_03: What if it's not like the pictures?
14:18
SPEAKER_03: What if it's actually like a doggy dungeon?
14:20
SPEAKER_03: Do I have to text you while you're in co or not cabo?
14:22
SPEAKER_03: Acapulco, or Puerto Varta.
14:24
SPEAKER_03: Puerto Vallarta.
14:25
SPEAKER_03: And say SOS.
14:27
unknown: No.
14:28
SPEAKER_03: Not Penny style.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Part of me, maybe she deserves it.
14:32
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't.
14:32
SPEAKER_02: It's only two nights.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: It'll be fine.
14:34
SPEAKER_02: She'll be fine.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: We'll figure it out.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back after a quick break.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: Hey executionados.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: As you know, Elizabeth and I take our snacks very seriously.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: On podcasting nights, we have charcuterie boards and pizza and wine, and it's so much fun to sit and eat and talk about our favorite stories and history.
14:53
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes though, on podcasting nights, things just get way too busy.
14:57
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15:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so tonight.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: We've got I got a good one.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: We've got a story I've never heard of.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: A family affair.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: A family affair of sorts.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, I love it when we start with one more.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I've never heard of this.
15:45
SPEAKER_02: Because it was requested by listener.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: It was.
15:48
SPEAKER_02: Um our our our good devoted listener/slash friend Elizabeth.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: She was, we were chatting on Instagram.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: Also, I love, I love like talking to the other weirdos out there.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of weird.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I'm not calling you guys weirdos.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm a weirdo too.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: I love nothing more, and we've talked about this of people who like find a connection.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: They're like, I was, I thought that I was the only one who liked this dark shit.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of us out there.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's nice to hear from you guys.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, thanks for watching out.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: I love chatting.
16:21
SPEAKER_02: Actually, her and I had like a funny conversation.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: What were you talking about?
16:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't even remember.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: We were talking about like turning in like Disneyland rides into like torture.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: We went down a weird path.
16:31
SPEAKER_02: That's very specific.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: I I kind of forget, but um, we she had recommended this execution story.
16:39
SPEAKER_02: It was kind of hard to learn about.
16:41
SPEAKER_03: There's not a lot out there.
16:42
SPEAKER_03: There's really not.
16:43
SPEAKER_03: Which there should be.
16:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
16:45
SPEAKER_03: We consulted a few sources.
16:47
SPEAKER_03: We saw one that was like for elementary school students, and we're like, how is there no reputable source on this?
16:52
SPEAKER_03: But there's something for like elementary kids.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: But Only Documentaries was this like amazing Portuguese translated film with like I can't even put it into words, but it was something on YouTube.
17:07
SPEAKER_03: Some dramatic fiction movie that was broken up into four-minute segments on YouTube, essentially.
17:13
SPEAKER_03: Go look it up.
17:15
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yes, we are set in Portugal today, and we're very excited to introduce the Tavora Affair.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: The Tavora Affair.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: Tavera.
17:25
SPEAKER_02: Tavera.
17:26
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna say it right for sure.
17:28
SPEAKER_03: We have to choose one way to say it.
17:30
SPEAKER_03: The accent is over the first A.
17:32
SPEAKER_03: Tavera.
17:33
SPEAKER_03: Tavera.
17:33
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
17:34
SPEAKER_03: Tavera.
17:35
SPEAKER_03: We might be interchangeable as we.
17:36
SPEAKER_02: We've never done Portuguese.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: Have we even done like Spain?
17:39
SPEAKER_02: Have we ever even done like anything Spanish?
17:41
SPEAKER_02: We've talked about Spain.
17:44
SPEAKER_03: I don't think we've had a Spanish execution.
17:46
SPEAKER_03: I don't think we've ever actually done like uh because all the killings done in like, you know, England and Russia and France.
17:54
SPEAKER_03: Hungarian.
17:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
17:55
SPEAKER_03: The Hungary we we did.
17:57
SPEAKER_02: But definitely the first Portuguese one.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: So um we have new names that we can mispronounce.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Now we have Spanish-esque Portuguese names to mispronounce.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: Good.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, so our story starts in uh the 1750s.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna start off with um setting the scene with King Joseph I of Portugal.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
18:23
SPEAKER_02: He became the king of Portugal when he was 36 years old.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: Just realized I don't have a date.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: We can look that up.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna while you're looking at do like an awkward edit plug-in of like and now we do an ad.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, we should do that.
18:41
SPEAKER_03: We will uh really quick though, just to while you're looking this up, talk about being 36 and becoming a king.
18:48
SPEAKER_03: We still have things to look forward to, Megan.
18:50
SPEAKER_03: We're not 36 yet.
18:51
SPEAKER_03: We can still be monarchs.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I kind of liked how they're like, oh, he was fairly young.
18:55
SPEAKER_03: He was only 36.
18:56
SPEAKER_03: So that was.
18:57
SPEAKER_03: Don't you love when people say that?
18:59
SPEAKER_03: Like the young man of 35, and you're like, all right, I'm still in the young category.
19:04
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
19:05
SPEAKER_03: Don't call me old yet.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: I'm not nowhere anywhere near.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: He became king on in 1750.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay, perfect.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: So we're and so he was 36.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: We're a smack dab in the middle of the 18th century.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: And almost immediately he gets a right-hand man.
19:23
SPEAKER_02: And that man is Sebastio Jose de Carajalo and Malo.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: You nailed that.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Try to try that again.
19:30
SPEAKER_03: No, I think that was good.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: Can we just call him Sebastio?
19:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're not gonna say that every time.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: He's the prime minister, in so many words.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so Joseph I relied very heavily on his best buddy Sebastio.
19:46
SPEAKER_02: And some background on Sebasto, he started off poor.
19:50
SPEAKER_02: He was he was kind of like a Cromwell-esque type figure who started from the bottom, worked his way up.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: Um, at one point he was the ambassador for Vienna and London, so he very quickly got into politics.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: While he was in London, he was exposed to the Enlightenment period.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: And he's learning about doing away with the old nobility and doing away with the old habits and the old way of politics and running things.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: And now it's about science and learning and being progressive and bringing new minds and new energy into leadership and steering more towards politics and uh democracy versus you know, the old ways.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: Right.
20:31
SPEAKER_03: And we have to remember too, this is like 25 years before the American Revolution.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:36
SPEAKER_03: You know, so these ideas are are starting to really spread across the world.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: It is kind of interesting to put like a time mark on this because like you're right, like before American Revolution, uh Marie Antoinette is almost in the scene, right?
20:49
SPEAKER_02: Like yeah, it's it's just kind of a funny time.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, he comes back to Portugal where he's offered the role of Secretary of State.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: A lot of people didn't understand this because he really wasn't a politician and again didn't have a lot under his belt.
21:02
SPEAKER_03: And like not, you know, not even education, really.
21:04
SPEAKER_03: Like he was the son of a country squire, so he had nothing really to his name.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: And then in 1755, Elizabeth's gonna get a little bit into more that more of this scene, but he was selected to be in charge of an entire reconstruction of their city after a natural disaster.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: So he's already being given a lot of control.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, and what we also know about Sebastio is he, because of this whole his exposure to the enlightenment, he hated noble families.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: He really clashed with these old, outdated, stuffy like again, I feel like the Medici family.
21:43
SPEAKER_02: Like we talked about this in another episode.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, our modern day, maybe like the Kardashians, right?
21:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, it's these families, like, we don't really know like why they're famous.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: Why are you famous?
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Why are you important?
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Why are you in the the political scene right now when really it's just all passed down from sun to sun.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: To son, whether or not they have a position to be there or not.
22:03
SPEAKER_02: So he clashes with all of the noble families.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: Especially the say it.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: Taveras.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: The Taveras.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: So that's just kind of setting the scene a little bit.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: So King Joseph I is on the throne.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: Sebastian is his right-hand man.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: King Joseph also is married to Mariana Victoria, who is the princess of Spain.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: Yes, the Infanta of Spain.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: The Infanta of Spain.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: They have four daughters.
22:34
SPEAKER_02: And of course, as tradition goes, he has his mistress as well.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: Boo.
22:40
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
22:41
SPEAKER_03: So that brings us up to how this whole story starts.
22:45
SPEAKER_03: So November 1st, 1755, there's this huge earthquake that rocks Lisbon, the capital of Portugal.
22:53
SPEAKER_03: So the royal palace that King Joseph is in is destroyed.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: So all of a sudden they go from this very elite family to essentially having nothing.
23:03
SPEAKER_03: So immediately they, while they kind of reconstruct a new palace, they take up uh residence in this essentially like tent complex, which sounds weird.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: Sounds kind of like cheap.
23:14
SPEAKER_03: A little bit, right?
23:14
SPEAKER_03: You think they'd have a better situation.
23:17
SPEAKER_03: But I imagine it's like um we we talked about this when we were talking about, I think it was the Robert Devereux episode, maybe, but we were talking about when they would go like on progress to France.
23:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
23:29
SPEAKER_03: You know, and they would have this elaborate, like kind of festival setup situation.
23:33
SPEAKER_03: Like that's how I picture it is like, you know, yeah, it's a tent thing, but you still have all your finery and your your wardrobe.
23:41
SPEAKER_03: And your china.
23:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, your china and your furniture and your servants.
23:44
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, you know, yes, it's a tent complex, but it's a very luxurious.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: It's a temporary palace, but I read it was almost equivalent to the Palace of Versailles at that time.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: Which I don't think quite if it was a tent.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: If it's a tent, probably not.
23:57
SPEAKER_02: But it was like it was the hub.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was like the buzz center still.
24:01
SPEAKER_02: People still wanted to go there.
24:03
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
24:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it became kind of the new social scene, this whole tent complex, which is in the outskirts of the city.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: Um, and Sebastio's there too, of course, because he's all in the mix.
24:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so at this point, uh again, the new palace is being constructed, and uh the king, King Joseph I has this side piece, he has this mistress, Teresa Leonor.
24:25
SPEAKER_03: So she is a Tavora.
24:28
SPEAKER_03: So again, the Tavoras are already clashing with Sebastian.
24:31
SPEAKER_03: Um her Sebastio.
24:32
SPEAKER_03: Sebastian, I like Sebastian better.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: I do too.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: It's easier to say.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: I think because I picture the crab with King Triton, how he's his little right-hand man, I just picture Sebastio as a crab.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: King Joseph I would look really nice without a shirt in a murphin.
24:48
SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
24:49
SPEAKER_03: But is he not the hottest Disney character?
24:51
SPEAKER_03: Well, the aside from Prince Eric, who's also in the same movie, so just I mean, if he had legs in other parts.
24:58
unknown: Oh my god.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: So Teresa's mother and father are um her mother is the Marquise Leonor Tomasia de Tavaro, and her father is the Francisco Assim's Count of Ovar.
25:13
SPEAKER_03: Nice job.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: No, that was perfect.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
25:15
SPEAKER_03: Better than I could say.
25:16
SPEAKER_03: You know?
25:17
SPEAKER_03: Um, some practice.
25:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, so so those are her parents.
25:21
SPEAKER_03: Again, they're very well known in Spain and Portugal as very affluent families.
25:26
SPEAKER_03: Um, so here comes King Joseph I on September 3rd, 1758.
25:32
SPEAKER_03: He's riding in an unmarked carriage on the outskirts of Lisbon after having a little tryst with Teresa.
25:40
SPEAKER_03: A little rendezvous.
25:41
SPEAKER_03: A little rendezvous, a little secret liaison.
25:43
SPEAKER_03: A little Teresa with her.
25:45
SPEAKER_03: So he's riding back in this carriage.
25:47
SPEAKER_03: Nobody knows he's supposed to be out and about, right?
25:49
SPEAKER_03: Because it's a secret affair, which everyone knows about, so how secret can it be?
25:52
SPEAKER_03: In his unmarked carriage.
25:54
SPEAKER_03: In an unmarked carriage that I'm sure nobody knows it's him.
25:57
SPEAKER_03: And all of a sudden, two to three men start to fire on the carriage.
26:01
SPEAKER_03: Shit.
26:02
SPEAKER_03: So he um being King Joseph I, he is shot in the arm, and his driver is badly wounded.
26:08
SPEAKER_03: But they both survive the incident and they make it all the way back to um Adjuda, the tent complex.
26:14
SPEAKER_03: So they're in there, immediately Sebasto takes charge of this whole situation, and he says, Okay, like let's kind of downplay your wounds.
26:22
SPEAKER_03: It's not a big deal.
26:23
SPEAKER_03: He concealed the attack, and he immediately, within a couple days, gets two men arrested and tortured, who he thinks are the ones that took out um the king.
26:31
SPEAKER_03: Not took out, he's alive.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but that's but fired upon the king.
26:38
SPEAKER_03: I just picture these little pellets, so it's like owl, but yeah, you consider American Revolutionary Times, right?
26:43
SPEAKER_03: So it's like, what do they have?
26:44
SPEAKER_03: They had like muskets, which are too big.
26:46
SPEAKER_03: They probably had small pistols, like dueling pistols, yeah.
26:49
SPEAKER_03: Kind of thing.
26:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I don't imagine that did too much damage.
26:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, but immediately these men who are tortured they confess.
26:57
SPEAKER_03: And the first thing they say was weak.
26:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just weak men who were tortured on the rack, probably.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wonder how they were tortured.
27:05
SPEAKER_03: Uh what was the Spanish tickler.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: We learned about that in the torture museum.
27:10
SPEAKER_03: Is that it?
27:10
SPEAKER_03: The Spanish tickler?
27:11
SPEAKER_03: What does the tickler do?
27:12
SPEAKER_03: I think it like runs along your rib cage and kind of pokes at your intestines, no?
27:16
SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, massage.
27:18
SPEAKER_03: Sounds very relaxing.
27:20
SPEAKER_03: I love being I'd pay for that.
27:22
SPEAKER_03: Um, so so they're immediately again, they immediately confess, and they say they were only following the orders of the Tavaro family.
27:31
SPEAKER_03: And immediately the two were hanged.
27:33
SPEAKER_03: The two men who who took who uh shoe shot on the king were hanged.
27:37
SPEAKER_03: By the next day.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, the next day.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like literally they're like, okay, cool, thanks.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: That's all we needed.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Bye.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: Which sorry.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Not to interject, not to keep interjecting.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: No, you're good.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: Don't you think they would have kept them around just a little bit to ask them more questions?
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Like have if there was truly gonna be this whole investigation and a trial, like maybe we keep the two assassins on as evidence who have the most information and are sh actually talking, but no, and so they they do them out the next day.
28:03
SPEAKER_03: Again, Sebastian was behind this all.
28:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
28:06
SPEAKER_03: So who knows what he was up to?
28:07
SPEAKER_03: He had altered motives.
28:08
SPEAKER_03: That's what we think, and we're gonna get to this a bit more.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it was also said that these two men had had mentioned that the Tavaro family wanted the Duke of Avieo on the throne.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: So, again, as soon as they confessed all this, they were hanged.
28:24
SPEAKER_03: So who knows what other information they had.
28:26
SPEAKER_03: But by the next week, the marchioness, who we just talked about, Leonore Tomasa de Tavora, um, and her and her husband, the Count, her kids, her sons-in-law, and her grandchildren were all imprisoned.
28:44
SPEAKER_03: They even went so far as to take um all of the like house per like house people, housemaids in custody, and her Jesuit confessor, like the person she goes to confession to.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: Everybody she has a connection with.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: They literally threw them all in prison within a week of these hangings.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Men, women, children, men grandchildren.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: Yes, no matter the entire clan.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
29:06
SPEAKER_03: And like we said, if you're going through those lengths of imprisoning the entire family, why wouldn't you keep the two people that probably have the most information alive?
29:14
SPEAKER_03: It's just odd that they immediately carry out two executions and then they say, Oh, but the rest of this family is just now imprisoned.
29:22
SPEAKER_03: And they were all, every single family member was accused of high treason and attempted reach rigicide.
29:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh, geez.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: They also created a special court specific for this investigation.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: Like this was the biggest thing happening in Portugal of the century for them.
29:37
SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe not the century.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: The decade.
29:39
SPEAKER_02: We'll narrow it down.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh and they're all and like, I mean, maybe not the children and the grandchildren, but they're all being tortured too.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:46
SPEAKER_02: And who knows if they didn't try to torture the kids a little.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: They could have.
29:50
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I feel like a kid would talk fast.
29:52
SPEAKER_03: But they don't know anything through.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: Right?
29:55
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be like valuable.
29:56
SPEAKER_02: Like what well, we know what the point is.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: In my mind, I'm like, what's the point of arresting the children?
30:02
SPEAKER_02: Obviously.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: To scare the parents.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: A to scare the parents.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:07
SPEAKER_03: And B to wipe out the entire family line.
30:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:10
SPEAKER_03: When again, we already know Sebastian doesn't think kindly of nobility, especially this family.
30:14
SPEAKER_03: They're bitter rivals.
30:16
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so the evidence that they had against the whole family was obviously the confession of the two men that are no longer here.
30:23
SPEAKER_03: Um, perfect.
30:24
SPEAKER_03: And the this is interesting, but they said that the weapon that they used, which we're assuming is a pistol, right?
30:30
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
30:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, was the Duke de uh the the Duke of Aviero's weapon.
30:36
SPEAKER_03: So they're saying how with I don't know.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: Unless someone was like, Oh yeah, I've seen him use the weapon.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
30:40
SPEAKER_03: Like, what evidence do they have?
30:41
SPEAKER_03: They didn't have fingerprints at this point.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: The Duke was also tortured though, and supposedly confessed to the weapon.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, to the weapon, yeah, to saying, like, yeah, they were trying to get me on the throne, but the entire Tavora family denied it.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: Every single one of them under torture, whatever.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: Again, their sons, their son-in-laws, their brothers, like they're all denying it.
31:07
SPEAKER_03: And there the other piece of evidence was like, who else would know about this secret liaison other than her family?
31:13
SPEAKER_03: Like, well, yeah, that's kind of I suppose all and we kind of had a hard time following up on the mistress.
31:20
SPEAKER_03: We're like, okay, this Teresa Leonor person, what happened to her?
31:25
SPEAKER_03: Like, she's still a mistress, she's in prison, she's executed, like, what's her fate?
31:30
SPEAKER_03: She was definitely arrested.
31:31
SPEAKER_03: We found out she was arrested.
31:34
SPEAKER_03: I think she was part of it.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: But I think that was it.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: I this is where I love this story, and I'm so fascinated by it.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: But also, I just want to know more.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, what horse what which historian dropped the ball and just like let this slip off of all the history books?
31:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: The fact that we found very limited articles about it.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Maybe Lisbon's just bad at record keeping.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: Maybe, but I just feel like okay, as the king, his mistress, who has been his devoted mistress for years, right?
32:06
SPEAKER_02: I he's gotta be a little bit torn on what to do.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm sure.
32:09
SPEAKER_02: And it's her whole family, but also like how much sympathy does he really have for his mistress's husband?
32:15
SPEAKER_02: Like his family.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: His yeah, like because it's her husband and her husband's parents and all of his family.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, right.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: Did we clarify that?
32:25
SPEAKER_02: That it wasn't.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: It was so his mistress is Leonora.
32:30
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: Leonora's married to Luis.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: Luis.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: I think I failed to mention that it was actually her husband.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: I actually wasn't even listening while you were talking.
32:40
SPEAKER_03: So Megan, you gotta listen so you can correct me if I say that.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: So Teresa Leonore is the wife of Luis Bernardo.
32:49
SPEAKER_02: Luis Bernardo is the the firstborn son, so he's the heir to the Tavora family.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: His parents is the marchioness and Francisco.
32:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so that even get you know is makes her one step away from that family, and yet she was still imprisoned, and this whole family was rounded up.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Like what a weird dynamic, right?
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Because he he probably also hates them because it's his mistress's family.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: The whole thing is weird.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
33:16
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, you don't love the husband.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: I think I think she was parted.
33:21
SPEAKER_03: Maybe they just like stowed her away and changed her identity and all that.
33:25
SPEAKER_03: Because there's nothing about her afternoon.
33:27
SPEAKER_02: Maybe she's a vampire and she turned into Elizabeth Bathory.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: And she's the blood countess now.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: Wrong century, but it could work.
33:36
SPEAKER_03: But she's a vampire, so it doesn't matter.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: She goes back in time.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: So going back to our evidence, uh, so the the three main points of the evidence was the confessions of the uh the now dead assassins.
33:47
SPEAKER_02: The weapon supposedly belonged to the Duke, right?
33:50
SPEAKER_02: That they're trying to get on the throne.
33:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:52
SPEAKER_02: And the Tavoras knew where the king was that night and that it was his carriage because they've got their little inside bird, Leonora.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: Cool.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: At first, get this all members were sentenced to death.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: All of them for high treason.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: High treason.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: The marchioness, her husband, all of their kids, all of their grandkids, all of their household, all of their all of their in-laws, all of their children's spouses, all of their like it just like goes on and on and on.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: At first there was up to 60 people who were sentenced to death.
34:35
SPEAKER_03: Right.
34:35
SPEAKER_03: And beyond that, their estates were all confiscated.
34:38
SPEAKER_03: The palace that they lived in, which this is interesting, but I thought that palace was also destroyed in the earthquake.
34:44
SPEAKER_03: But apparently the Taboras still had their palace.
34:47
SPEAKER_03: It wasn't destroyed, but was destroyed now.
34:50
SPEAKER_03: And then after the palace was destroyed, they salted the earth to literally prevent anything new from growing on it, like new vegetation.
34:58
SPEAKER_03: Because it's deadland.
34:59
SPEAKER_03: Like it's dead land.
35:01
SPEAKER_03: Their names were erased from the peerage, and their coat of arms were outlawed.
35:05
SPEAKER_03: Like similar to the Medici episode, they wanted to wipe this entire family out.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: Let's just say, on the record, their coat of arms is boring as shit.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: So it is okay that it got destroyed.
35:17
SPEAKER_03: I would just wipe that out because it's ugly.
35:19
SPEAKER_03: It was just like little squiggles.
35:21
SPEAKER_03: It was like blue squiggles.
35:23
SPEAKER_03: It's literally, it looks like just like little blue waves.
35:26
SPEAKER_03: It's like here's a wavy line and it looks like water.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: Coat of arms.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: I could have made that coat of arms.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: So you know what?
35:33
SPEAKER_02: Good.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: Get rid of that, start fresh.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: It all has to go.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: Wasn't the Medici episode like a dolphin crest?
35:40
SPEAKER_03: They had a cool crest.
35:41
SPEAKER_03: It was really cool.
35:42
SPEAKER_03: But I'm just saying the aquatic theme.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth.
35:46
SPEAKER_03: You know?
35:47
SPEAKER_02: How does your mind work?
35:50
SPEAKER_02: Let me weave those website.
35:53
SPEAKER_03: Not well in the 90-degree heat in this hot room.
35:55
SPEAKER_02: I think it's going down.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Let's see what it's at right now.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: Oh my hip, I'm getting old.
36:01
SPEAKER_02: It's 82.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: It's 82.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: It went down three degrees.
36:04
SPEAKER_03: We're good.
36:05
SPEAKER_03: I can think very clearly.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: I feel creaky and hot.
36:11
SPEAKER_03: This is 34.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, we're sitting on the floor in my hips.
36:15
SPEAKER_03: I've also noticed my foot is swollen.
36:17
SPEAKER_03: I don't know why.
36:18
SPEAKER_03: My foot looks swollen.
36:19
SPEAKER_03: What the heck happened to my face?
36:20
SPEAKER_03: I think it's the heat.
36:22
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
36:23
SPEAKER_03: Right?
36:23
SPEAKER_03: My feet don't look like that.
36:25
SPEAKER_03: I have like thin.
36:28
SPEAKER_03: Like this one's fine.
36:29
SPEAKER_03: Do you need an ice pack?
36:31
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
36:31
SPEAKER_03: Ooh, that might be nice.
36:33
SPEAKER_03: I ran 18 miles yesterday.
36:35
SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: Is your circulation okay?
36:37
unknown: No.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Do you want me to massage it?
36:39
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
36:40
SPEAKER_03: I got blisters from the run.
36:42
SPEAKER_03: It looks kind of gross.
36:43
SPEAKER_03: It does.
36:44
SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
36:45
SPEAKER_03: Usually I have cuter feet.
36:46
SPEAKER_03: It's really ugly.
36:48
SPEAKER_03: I digress.
36:49
SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
36:51
SPEAKER_03: Um we were talking about the ugly coat of arms and how they are similar to the dolphins.
36:58
SPEAKER_03: They're not similar.
36:58
SPEAKER_03: The dolphins are clear.
36:59
SPEAKER_03: There's a correlation, though.
37:01
SPEAKER_03: There is a correlation.
37:01
SPEAKER_03: Maybe we'll do a little side by side on our Instagram.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: So Maria Francisca, who's the heiress to the throne.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: She's the like the first princess.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: She's the firstborn daughter of the king and the queen.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:15
SPEAKER_02: And her mother, the queen.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: Thank goodness.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: Mariana.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: Mariana and Maria.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: Thank goodness there's some a little sliver of goodness in the story.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: They step up and they're like, yo, dad.
37:28
SPEAKER_02: Sebastian.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Uncle Sebastian.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: Uncle Sebastian.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: You guys need to calm down.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: We cannot execute all these women, all these children, people who have no idea what's going on with this entire situation.
37:40
SPEAKER_02: We can't just go and execute everyone.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: So okay, we're gonna reduce the number down.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: This is where we also got some conflicting information.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, in some I read that there were seven family members, three household or friends who were executed.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: Others say there were up to 13.
38:04
SPEAKER_03: Right.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: Another based, and we'll get into it like based on memorial that they have, shows that there was only five family members plus a few others.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: But I think in total it was between 10 to 13 people.
38:16
SPEAKER_03: He had between three and nine kids.
38:19
SPEAKER_02: Somewhere between four and seventy-five people were executed.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
38:24
SPEAKER_03: Um take your pick.
38:26
SPEAKER_03: So the date is now January 13th, 1759.
38:30
SPEAKER_03: And the marchioness is the first one to be executed.
38:34
SPEAKER_03: And let's be clear, they wanted to make this a very public spectacle, right?
38:38
SPEAKER_03: Because regicide, regicide, however you want to say it, is taken very seriously.
38:43
SPEAKER_03: So similar to our um Francois des Robert Francois Design.
38:48
SPEAKER_03: Robert Francois des Miens episode, um, this is again a very public spectacle.
38:54
SPEAKER_03: So they have this big open field, but they build an 18-foot-tall scaffold so that everyone can see what's going on.
39:01
SPEAKER_03: They built it overnight.
39:02
SPEAKER_03: They were eager.
39:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they were very eager to make this happen.
39:06
SPEAKER_03: And the first one who is executed is the Marchioness.
39:09
SPEAKER_03: And that movie that we referenced that has that four-minute like segments on YouTube, there's a scene where they sit her down first, they blindfold her, they put her in a chair, and a swordsman comes and beheads her and holds up the head to all the other family members that are still there on the scaffold.
39:27
SPEAKER_03: I feel like she had it the easiest, to be honest.
39:30
SPEAKER_03: Honestly, yeah.
39:31
SPEAKER_03: Like I'm sure it's you feel a lot of emotions in that moment knowing that your kids are gonna see you die.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: But it's probably better than what the rest of the people saw the rest of the time and experienced.
39:43
SPEAKER_03: The head of the family gets beheaded first.
39:48
SPEAKER_03: First.
39:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, very bleak.
39:50
SPEAKER_03: The king was present there, King Um Joseph was there.
39:53
SPEAKER_03: King Joey.
39:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, King Joey was there.
39:55
SPEAKER_03: He was there.
39:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, not only the king was there, but all of his other buddies of the nobility, they were all hanging about too.
40:02
SPEAKER_02: And they were, I mean, a little terrified because this family, like, they were hanging out at the court.
40:09
SPEAKER_02: This these were their friends.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: These were this was the cool family in like the inn.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: They were in the inn crowd.
40:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how else to say that.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: The A-lists.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: The A-listers of Portuguese nobility.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: Right.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so all their friends are there, like, oh shit.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
40:29
SPEAKER_02: This is happening.
40:30
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
40:31
SPEAKER_03: So after um the marchioness was beheaded, the next came her sons.
40:37
SPEAKER_03: So they bound him to this cross that was like raised up even higher than the scaffold, right?
40:42
SPEAKER_03: So you can see it from everywhere.
40:44
SPEAKER_03: And they broke his arms and his legs with these like iron clubs, and then they strangled him from behind with a rope.
40:52
SPEAKER_03: And then they also did this um to his brother.
40:55
SPEAKER_03: So they just body after body, that's how they treated the men, right?
41:00
SPEAKER_03: After the the um head of the family, the mother was was killed.
41:03
SPEAKER_03: The head, I can't get over that.
41:05
SPEAKER_03: I know, I know.
41:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, one of them they even said, like, they they put him up on the cross, and I think they crushed his like sternum and ribs first, which that's gotta, I don't know.
41:15
SPEAKER_03: I mean, in terms of pain tolerance, it's gotta be worse than your arms and legs, right?
41:18
SPEAKER_03: It's like punctured lungs.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe that's a quicker way to go.
41:22
SPEAKER_03: I suppose.
41:24
SPEAKER_03: And then after they did this to all their bodies, they like this is a weird thing, and I don't understand.
41:29
SPEAKER_03: We've never seen this in an execution, but they like rose them up on these big wheels.
41:35
SPEAKER_03: They were like flattened upon these big wheels, and then they put like these tarps?
41:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like yeah, these big like canvas tarps over them.
41:44
SPEAKER_03: So this, like, imagine just like a pole sticking up, like really high, already higher than the 18-foot scaffold, with a wheel on top.
41:52
SPEAKER_03: You lay the body on there, and then you put this tarp on top of it.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: At this point, why are they trying to what are they hiding?
41:59
SPEAKER_02: Why are they trying to what pay respect to the dead body that they just killed and like oh let's hide it in a very public way?
42:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, it was just very strange.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: I I don't know if there's more of a ritual behind it.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: Like, why, yeah, I I if anybody knows, if anyone's Portuguese and you know history on this story that we don't know about.
42:17
SPEAKER_03: I I don't know what that's about, but we saw that like in again the the um the movie rendition of it.
42:22
SPEAKER_03: If you look at like executed today or any other kind of references, they they this is what they talk about.
42:27
SPEAKER_02: They have these pictures, yeah, of these big etchings.
42:30
SPEAKER_02: There's some well, you know, there's always someone who wants to report on the execution, they make their shitty little sketching afterwards.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
42:38
SPEAKER_02: Even the depictions of what happened is yeah, they're all displayed on these wheels.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: I I also think that scene is funny though, because it almost looks like they each have their own station.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: They did definitely multiple executioners, yes, and they all kind of got set up in their own little area.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: So it really was a 360 show going on.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: And you know, every now and then they would like show, like another person would come up and they would show the scene and they would show the blood and they would like be like, look at your brothers, look at your family, right, and then do something to them.
43:10
SPEAKER_03: And once you were officially like dead on that tall wheel, they would go through and essentially put like hay or heaps of wood at the base of your wheel, and then they just light your remains on fire.
43:22
SPEAKER_02: I think that part is more symbolic of the extinction of the we are yeah, we are we are yeah, diminishing every trace of this line.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
43:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then even um two years later, uh they they took we we mentioned the Jesuit confessor, they took him and they also buried him alive two years after all this has already taken place.
43:42
SPEAKER_03: Burned.
43:42
SPEAKER_03: Burned.
43:43
SPEAKER_03: Yep, and then um the the daughters of the Duke of Aviero, which we we mentioned he was the one that they thought was gonna surplant the king, they were sentenced to life imprisonment.
43:52
SPEAKER_03: So it's like it didn't quite end on that day.
43:54
SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like, oh wow, we just wiped out this whole family.
43:57
SPEAKER_03: They still kind of went after people that were connected to them.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: Um, and what happened to Sebastio?
44:02
SPEAKER_03: Like, he was then promoted to the Count of Osinas, and then in 1770, he was promoted to the Marquise of Pomble.
44:11
SPEAKER_03: So he just kept getting promoted.
44:12
SPEAKER_03: Promoted.
44:13
SPEAKER_03: And it reminds me of like current workday culture where you just see people where it's like the shadiest of the people, the ones moving up.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: Of course, you're the one.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: Like nobody likes you, and you're mean to every single person in this company, but you're gonna keep getting promoted.
44:24
SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile, the rest of us innocence burn on wheels.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: Um and the Duke was also part of the seven to thirteen people executed as well.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he but we know for sure he was executed.
44:39
SPEAKER_02: For sure, the sons, like a valet, the the like different servants of their household.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: It was just anyone that they thought had a connection to this assassination attempt.
44:52
SPEAKER_03: Right.
44:53
SPEAKER_03: Um, and it was just interesting later, like you know, Portuguese scholars still kind of debate uh what happened here, and obviously there's not a ton of information, but some people say, you know, I think it's evidence enough that none of the family members tried to escape once they were accused, once they were, you know, sentenced.
45:09
SPEAKER_03: It's like nobody tried to escape because they're like, no, like none of us have any involvement, like we're all innocent here.
45:14
SPEAKER_03: It's like almost the way everyone reacted to it kind of proved their innocence because they had nothing to be fearful of, they had nothing to hide from.
45:21
SPEAKER_03: So it was a kind of a shock to people that all of a sudden it was just like, hey, we're extinguishing your entire family line.
45:27
SPEAKER_03: And they even took it so far as we mentioned again that their palace was destroyed and the earth was salted.
45:33
SPEAKER_03: They changed that into, I think it's called the Alley of Salted Ground, right?
45:37
SPEAKER_03: I you read a little bit more about this, but there's like an inscription there, and it's essentially like a shame memorial that people piss on today.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: They called it now a public yearn.
45:49
SPEAKER_02: If you go to Lisbon, Portugal, there is a place called Becco de Cajo Salgado.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: Which is, see, we're better, I think it's because we're from the southwest.
45:59
SPEAKER_02: We're better with their Spanish words better.
46:01
SPEAKER_02: No, that we're no, it's our dialect.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, give us like a French name and it's over my head.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: Give me something Spanish, I can kind of say it.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and go through it.
46:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's translated to Alley of the Salted Ground, which is where the palace was.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: And there is currently, you can go and see it today, there is a memorial that's been resurrected.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: And this is where we got the I said we're gonna get into it.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: This is where we got the five family members from.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: Because the stone memorial, it's this tall pillar, and there's these five rings around it.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: And the five rings are supposed to represent the five family members.
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: But then again, I heard there was seven to ten.
46:43
SPEAKER_02: If if anyone like for sure is passionate about this subject and they know, like, please let us know because we were struggling.
46:48
SPEAKER_02: It was almost frustrating.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: We would come across another article, and okay, I'm reading, reading, reading.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wait, oh god, it has another number and just nothing matched.
46:56
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so yeah, now today people, it's it's like a shame place, and while there is an inscription on the bottom, people just use it as a public urinal.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: Um gross it translated in English, I can read it.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, the inscription says, In this place were raised to the ground, insulted the houses of Jose Macaharna.
47:18
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: Um stripped of the honors of Duca de Averio and others, convicted by sentence proclaimed by the Supreme Court of Inconfidence on the 12th of January 1759, brought to justice as one of the leaders of the most barbarous barbarous, barbarous, barbarous, I think.
47:37
SPEAKER_02: Barbarous, yeah, an execrable upheaval that on the night of 3rd of September 1758 was committed against the most royal and sacred person of the Lord Joseph I.
47:51
SPEAKER_02: On this infamous land, nothing may be built for all time.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, that's why it's called a shame memorial.
47:59
SPEAKER_02: No one has taken this down to this day.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: This memorial is assuming their guilt that they had this abhorrous assault on the king, the most glorious person to walk this earth.
48:13
SPEAKER_02: And it's just funny that it seems so archaic.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: Like this is such a shame still to the family.
48:22
SPEAKER_02: And and to Elizabeth's point, it is still a debate whether they are innocent or guilty.
48:27
SPEAKER_02: Um so after Joseph I has died, his daughter, who was the same one who actually reduced the death sentence down to just the bare minimum.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: Right.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: But his daughter became Maria I, Queen of Portugal, in 1777.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: That's pretty cool.
48:48
SPEAKER_02: She, one of her first things that she does is she reopens this case.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: You can tell that this has been way.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: She's like it's like a passion project.
48:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like she's like prove this bad.
49:00
SPEAKER_02: This is almost 20 years later.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: She reopens the case and she vindicates almost everybody.
49:07
SPEAKER_02: It it specifically says almost everyone.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: So I'm sure, like, in my mind, maybe the Duke never got vindicated, like or the marchioness, maybe the marchioness, like the ones who probably, if this was a an actual assassination attempt, the ones who were actually driving it.
49:23
SPEAKER_02: But like all the sons and everyone who was like, I'm sorry, I'm just in the family.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: Um, she vindicated them.
49:29
SPEAKER_03: Which is interesting that this memorial still exists till today.
49:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, take it down.
49:33
SPEAKER_03: You like, you know, we've talked about this a lot with like tutor history, where now there's plaques like memorializing people in a in a in a nicer light of like Or World War II history.
49:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like this was totally this was a Christian martyr.
49:45
SPEAKER_03: This was someone who, you know, wrongly was persecuted and died.
49:50
SPEAKER_03: It's like, and now like the fact that this still says, like, on this infamous land, nothing may be built for all time.
49:57
SPEAKER_03: Nothing may be built.
49:58
SPEAKER_03: It's just kind of dramatic and funny that you're like, okay, but even 20 years after this, people were like fighting for the innocence of these people that you executed, and yet this monument is still huge and it still stands there till today.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: Well, what's interesting is the monument truly is in an alleyway.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
50:15
SPEAKER_02: And it's called, translated, alley of the salted ground.
50:19
SPEAKER_02: Right.
50:19
SPEAKER_02: And the pictures I was look- I looked them up on Google and I'll I'll try to post some.
50:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, it truly is like an alley with residents, like, of course, there's like beautiful Portuguese residential area, but there's like trash cans around it.
50:34
SPEAKER_02: It's clearly people's alleyway.
50:36
SPEAKER_02: And then there's this monument where this very historic thing happened that no one's really talking about.
50:41
SPEAKER_02: It's the whole thing to me is bizarre.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, but anyways, so Maria the First, Saint, uh, vindicates them for whatever it's worth.
50:50
SPEAKER_02: She restores the properties and the land, except for this one because it's salted and bandaged.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, she she goes through that whole process.
51:00
SPEAKER_02: She tries to like, I guess, relieve the family of some of that shame and bring back whatever they lost.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: Right.
51:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, best part is Sebastio still kicking it, still like up in his high ranks.
51:12
SPEAKER_02: She puts him on trial.
51:14
SPEAKER_03: I like that.
51:15
SPEAKER_02: And I love that.
51:16
SPEAKER_02: I feel like that is some justice being served.
51:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, again, going back to World War II, it reminds me a little bit of like the Nazis 20 plus years later coming back onto trial.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: Answer for your crimes.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
51:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, she she finds him guilty of unjudicial acts.
51:33
SPEAKER_02: And the the kind of a bummer, I guess, is he was very old in this time and he was like decrepit, and there was a lot of people.
51:40
SPEAKER_03: Right, there wasn't much to do with him.
51:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, they weren't gonna keep him in prison, they weren't going to execute him.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: Right.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: Also, executions are kind of coming out of fashion.
51:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, albeit French Revolution, but you know, um, not to this sense of like a mass bloody spectacle.
51:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
51:59
SPEAKER_02: And elevated platform.
52:01
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: And uh, yeah, so she has him banished from Lisbon.
52:06
SPEAKER_02: Good.
52:06
SPEAKER_02: Not even Portugal, just Lisbon.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: He just has to go to another city.
52:10
SPEAKER_02: He's like cool.
52:11
SPEAKER_02: Go next door, 85 years old.
52:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
52:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, I did I just realized something.
52:17
SPEAKER_03: What?
52:17
SPEAKER_02: So this happened 1759.
52:20
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Robert Francois Damiens, similar execution style where it was like very elaborate and torturous and like long drawn out.
52:30
SPEAKER_02: In the place degrees.
52:31
SPEAKER_02: That was 1757.
52:33
SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
52:34
SPEAKER_02: Two years before.
52:35
SPEAKER_02: So I wonder if they kind of are like, oh, that was fun.
52:38
SPEAKER_03: Like, we liked how this attempted regicide was, you know, put on such a like quote unquote platform.
52:45
SPEAKER_03: That seems in style.
52:46
SPEAKER_03: Let's just do a little breaking of the limbs in front of everyone.
52:50
SPEAKER_03: A very public thing.
52:50
SPEAKER_03: I wonder if there are Airbnbs involved with this one.
52:53
SPEAKER_03: Merch.
52:54
SPEAKER_03: Some merch, maybe.
52:55
SPEAKER_03: Some t-shirts.
52:56
SPEAKER_03: Beheaded merch.
52:57
SPEAKER_03: Some coffee cups.
52:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that that is interesting that those two are so close together.
53:02
SPEAKER_03: But as we mentioned with Francois Damian, like it was very, it was so public and so publicized.
53:09
SPEAKER_03: Like, again, there were so many different books and movies and things that kind of reference that.
53:14
SPEAKER_03: And it's weird that this one that wiped out an entire family, not just one guy, was kind of hush-hush.
53:19
SPEAKER_03: It was like, all right, put that monument there, put this shame memorial up and let's forget about it.
53:26
SPEAKER_03: And it was like it's weird that neither you or I, who are very much into like torture and execution, haven't heard about this story.
53:34
SPEAKER_03: So I haven't.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: So thank you for bringing this to our attention.
53:38
SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
53:39
SPEAKER_03: And and to the rest of our listeners, too.
53:41
SPEAKER_03: If there's you know things we haven't covered yet, which obviously there's tons, we have tons of more stories.
53:45
SPEAKER_03: But if there's something that's burning in your mind that we we might not even know about, like please DM us.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: Also, Hollywood, can you make a better movie on this?
53:54
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm so over.
53:56
SPEAKER_02: There's so many sequels and so many overdone plots.
54:02
SPEAKER_02: Where where are the writers?
54:03
SPEAKER_03: Where are the producers?
54:05
SPEAKER_03: This is a story.
54:06
SPEAKER_03: It's tough.
54:07
SPEAKER_03: Like, I feel like Hollywood doesn't have an interest in doing this right, you know?
54:11
SPEAKER_03: There needs to be just a few very passionate people with very deep pockets in Hollywood that can get this going.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: That is not me, but I'll try.
54:20
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna keep fighting the good fight.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean, um, my manager is kind of like in the Hollywood scene.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm not even just for real.
54:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:28
SPEAKER_02: No, my my manager just like so I I work in customer service, but my manager, like literally, like she lives in Hollywood.
54:38
SPEAKER_02: Her partner is a uh screenwriter for Hollywood.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she just like finished filming a movie, like she hangs out with the people in the scene.
54:48
SPEAKER_02: So maybe I need to pitch this through her.
54:51
SPEAKER_02: And get her to pitch it to someone to someone to someone.
54:54
SPEAKER_02: Does she listen to this show?
54:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: I will find out after this is released and see if she does one.
55:03
SPEAKER_03: Step one, we get her to get interested in this.
55:08
SPEAKER_02: But I like where your head's at.
55:09
SPEAKER_03: I like it.
55:10
SPEAKER_03: Gotta know people.
55:11
SPEAKER_03: Gotta know people in the industry.
55:13
SPEAKER_03: And don't worry, Megan will pitch herself for every main character you've got.
55:17
SPEAKER_02: I would like to be both Leonora and the Marchioness.
55:21
SPEAKER_03: Oh, you're okay.
55:23
SPEAKER_03: We've already talked about your roles in other historical scenarios, but now you're not going to be able to do that.
55:27
SPEAKER_03: Who would we rather be?
55:28
SPEAKER_03: Leonora or the Marchioness?
55:30
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, Leonora.
55:32
SPEAKER_03: The youngest.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: I kind of want to be Marchioness.
55:34
SPEAKER_03: Boom, there you go.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: I think I could pull I think I could act out a good execution scene.
55:39
SPEAKER_03: She, the actress we saw, I'm sure anyone could do better than what we wish we we saw on film.
55:46
SPEAKER_03: But practice, you know?
55:48
SPEAKER_03: I will practice in.
55:50
SPEAKER_03: Send your tape in.
55:50
SPEAKER_03: Do a little a tape.
55:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
55:52
SPEAKER_03: Is that what they do these days?
55:54
SPEAKER_03: Send in your DVD.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: Written on the CD and Sharpie.
56:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, choose me.
56:01
SPEAKER_02: You just gotta do a little screen test.
56:04
SPEAKER_03: Well, Elizabeth.
56:07
SPEAKER_03: How's our sound coming?
56:08
SPEAKER_03: We only had to pause a few times for out outside distractions.
56:12
SPEAKER_03: Outside noise.
56:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:15
SPEAKER_02: It's not so bad.
56:17
SPEAKER_02: Um and we made it, we're alive.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: We we made it.
56:20
SPEAKER_02: We didn't die.
56:21
SPEAKER_02: We are no heat exhaustion.
56:22
SPEAKER_03: I think we got down a duty once in two weeks.
56:26
SPEAKER_02: I need to get my AC fixed, is how we're gonna do it.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
56:28
SPEAKER_02: We'll just wear swimsuits and like, you know, put wet towels all over us.
56:34
SPEAKER_02: Any final words?
56:36
SPEAKER_02: Not today.
56:37
SPEAKER_00: A new raw family of finity.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: We are the family.