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True Crime Documentary - Killer Accidentally Filmed Himself · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: This time on killers caught on camera. In Utah, a
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  Speaker 1: mother searches for her missing nineteen year old son.
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  Speaker 2: I can make sense of a walking across as a
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  Speaker 2: back to the camper, but it can't make sense of
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  Speaker 2: the dead speed on that camp always has.
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  Speaker 1: His always A digital error provides a breakthrough.
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  Speaker 3: The chances he been accidentally turning on the phone, let
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  Speaker 3: alone placing it perfectly to capture this video is truly incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And in Minnesota, a woman finds the love of her
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  Speaker 1: life online very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: They would be talking all the time, all night. There
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  Speaker 4: was lots of I love yous, even though they didn't
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  Speaker 4: even know each other.
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  Speaker 1: But she disappears under suspicious circumstances.
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  Speaker 5: The search warrant revealed a bloody handprint in the carpet.
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  Speaker 6: Just sounds like something that is happening to her.
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  Speaker 1: We know what happened because the video is held with
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  Speaker 1: what happened.
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  Speaker 7: I heard some gun talk.
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  Speaker 8: I mean they heard its agere.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 7: I know four.
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  Speaker 6: The camera doesn't lie.
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  Speaker 1: In the US. In Utah, Loosen, a remote desert area
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  Speaker 1: two hundred miles west of Salt Lake City, in May
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, a young farmer was missing.
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  Speaker 6: What is the farm mill row here?
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  Speaker 9: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: What is the farmer for gray or?
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  Speaker 1: Candace Cooley joined police to help look for her nineteen
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  Speaker 1: year old son, Dylan. Rownes.
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  Speaker 10: If he's going with.
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  Speaker 2: The wrong cry, I mean, but I can't make any
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  Speaker 2: more camp. I can make sense of a walking across it.
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  Speaker 2: He has it racked to the camper, but I can't
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  Speaker 2: make sense of the duds being on that. Camp always
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  Speaker 2: has his always, this is in time.
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  Speaker 11: He is eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he had before he's old enough to carry one.
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  Speaker 6: He always has his duds.
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  Speaker 2: And his shells are gone too.
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  Speaker 1: Candace had no idea what happened to her son.
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  Speaker 10: Dylan was a unique kid from day one. He was
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  Speaker 10: supposed to be a girl when he was born, we
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  Speaker 10: were told up until the day before. So he kind
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  Speaker 10: of came into the world, surprising us, wrapped in a
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  Speaker 10: little pink blanket, but it was a boy. And he
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  Speaker 10: was born during grain harvest August first. In his first
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  Speaker 10: early months, he was in a combine and a tractor
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  Speaker 10: and it just kind of caught from there. Besides being
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  Speaker 10: from a farming family, he just he grew up. And
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  Speaker 10: I'm so when kids would get out of school and
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  Speaker 10: go play their video games. Dylan would be building on
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  Speaker 10: his chicken coop or his pig pan, farming with his
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  Speaker 10: dad or his grandpa. That was just his passion.
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  Speaker 1: When Dylan was seventeen, he bought a patch of land
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  Speaker 1: in Loosen, Utah, with the help of his grandfather.
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  Speaker 10: Dylan loved Lucien. It was his happy place. There wasn't
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  Speaker 10: very many people out there, which is what he wanted.
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  Speaker 10: He was in his comfort zone. He was always excited
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  Speaker 10: for farming season to get to go back out there
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  Speaker 10: and work on his farm.
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  Speaker 1: Dylan worked alone, but stayed in regular contact with his family.
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  Speaker 10: Dylan had a very particular pattern. If it was one
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  Speaker 10: certain day, he was going to call me ten times,
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  Speaker 10: that was my day. The next day it might be
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  Speaker 10: his dad ten times, and it might be his best friend.
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  Speaker 10: But he always had a particular way about communicating with
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  Speaker 10: one person for the full day to tell his stories,
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  Speaker 10: and then he'd move on to the.
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  Speaker 1: Next Dylan always kept his family aware of his detailed schedule.
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  Speaker 10: Dylan called me and he says, well, I'm going to
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  Speaker 10: be out Lucianne planting on Friday, and I'll call you
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  Speaker 10: after my crops planted, and that's the last I heard
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  Speaker 10: from him.
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  Speaker 1: On the last Saturday in May, Dylan made a phone
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  Speaker 1: call to his grandmother, but by Monday nobody had seen
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  Speaker 1: or heard from him.
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  Speaker 10: I got I got the phone call from his best
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  Speaker 10: friend saying he hadn't heard from him either. So we
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  Speaker 10: all waked, all of us headed. We knew something was wrong,
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  Speaker 10: so I called it in because I knew.
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  Speaker 1: It was so out of character in the air and
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. A huge search operation was launched to
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  Speaker 1: find Dylan.
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  Speaker 12: In an area like this, if you're not prepared, if
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  Speaker 12: you don't have food or especially water, things can get
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  Speaker 12: dangerous and bad really quick. You could only survive a
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  Speaker 12: couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: The Box Elder District Attorney's office was quickly involved.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty inhospitable territory out there.
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  Speaker 7: Passed in this way, if we've met, we're going this way.
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  Speaker 6: My buddy goes and falls him.
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  Speaker 3: It's possible that he was just maybe injured, maybe lost around.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, it's mostly getting search and rescue out there.
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  Speaker 3: Our goal is to see if we can just locate him.
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  Speaker 6: So was a gun in the case.
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  Speaker 1: A search of Dylan's trailer revealed his guns were missing.
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  Speaker 6: Forty is not in here.
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  Speaker 13: We looked in his camper and all the cupboards and stuff,
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  Speaker 13: looked in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 6: Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: As time passed, the likelihood of finding Dylan alive diminished.
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  Speaker 6: Nothing.
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  Speaker 12: They had searched a pretty good area and just not
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  Speaker 12: have not had any success of finding him or any
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  Speaker 12: trace of him.
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  Speaker 6: We're just trying to find him.
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  Speaker 7: No, no one came home with him.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody came home with him.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 12: You know, as time goes on, it just becomes more
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  Speaker 12: and more likely that we're not going to find Dylan alive.
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  Speaker 1: It's not uncommon for a nineteen year old boy to
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  Speaker 1: go missing, in the sense that there are around half
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  Speaker 1: a million people reported missing to the police every year
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  Speaker 1: in the United States. It's been called a silent mass disaster.
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  Speaker 1: And of that half a million people, about half that
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  Speaker 1: number are boys and men, and of those most of
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  Speaker 1: them are young. But and this is really important, most
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  Speaker 1: people are found, and so it's rare for person to
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  Speaker 1: go missing for a really long period of time. The
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office couldn't find Dylan anywhere near his farm. Extra
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  Speaker 1: help was needed to broaden the search.
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  Speaker 6: Are you guys from Montello?
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  Speaker 12: I went to a little town called Montello, which is
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  Speaker 12: just on the Nevada side of the state.
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  Speaker 6: What's the phone for whoop Dylan.
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  Speaker 12: See when he was last seen and if anybody had
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  Speaker 12: heard from him at that point.
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  Speaker 6: We walked through the barn. Nothing inside that okay, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives needed to track Dylan's digital footprint.
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  Speaker 12: We started looking more at his phone records for GPS coordinates. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 12: with this area, because there's only one cell tower, there's
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  Speaker 12: not really any way to triangulate the GPS, so we
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  Speaker 12: ended up with a really really broad area.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators spoke to Dylan's closest neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: For you, James Brenner lived close to Dylan, and when
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  Speaker 3: I say close, we're talking five miles. He is squatting
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  Speaker 3: on a piece of property out there. He has this
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  Speaker 3: grain shed that Dylan is known to use. James Brenner,
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  Speaker 3: who was the last person to have seen Dylan a
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  Speaker 3: lot because his grain truck had gone over there that day.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I was just wondering if you could walk me
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  Speaker 14: through where his truck was.
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  Speaker 7: The grain truck.
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  Speaker 3: He seemed to want to be helpful. He wanted to
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  Speaker 3: assist in the search and provide information.
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  Speaker 7: So this is it Wing been in a hurry.
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  Speaker 15: He knocked my stall. This was the gate and he
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  Speaker 15: backed into it and busted out. I was building a
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  Speaker 15: chicken coop right here.
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  Speaker 6: He was in a hurry, and I.
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  Speaker 15: Guess it was raining and you wanted to get this
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  Speaker 15: on the cover.
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  Speaker 6: If it was rain and he'd be in a hurry.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I was building a chicken coop right here. He
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  Speaker 15: was in a hurry.
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  Speaker 1: James Brenner is very open about the fact that when
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  Speaker 1: Dylan backed his truck into the grain shed and he
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  Speaker 1: destroyed his things and moved away as chicken coop, that
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  Speaker 1: that was well upsetting. And you can see the police
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  Speaker 1: are reacting to this as well.
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  Speaker 15: Oh I see the broken post right here.
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  Speaker 1: They're immediately going, oh wow.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that he's destroyed some things as well.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this whole conversation about while he needed to
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  Speaker 1: move it really quickly, and he's almost giving him an excuse.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time you can see he's really annoyed.
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  Speaker 15: I guess it was rain and he wanted to get
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  Speaker 15: this on the cover.
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  Speaker 3: He started talking about the unsavory people out there.
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  Speaker 7: I think somebody tried to rob him. Dylan never carries
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  Speaker 7: any money on him. He always carries credit cards because
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  Speaker 7: he's always borrowing money off me.
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  Speaker 15: He had too many freaking irons fire.
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  Speaker 1: What does set out to me is that he starts
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  Speaker 1: talking about all the things he doesn't like about Dylan,
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  Speaker 1: and that is a weird thing to say about someone
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  Speaker 1: who is obviously missing.
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  Speaker 7: He's a thick kid.
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  Speaker 1: Saying that he's a thick headed kid, that maybe somebody
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  Speaker 1: tried to rob him, that he was always bragging about
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  Speaker 1: how much money he was making.
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  Speaker 7: Shooting his mouth off about how much money he's making.
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  Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that can really get under
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  Speaker 1: people's skin.
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  Speaker 3: We don't really know where Dylan is or if there's
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  Speaker 3: even anything nefarious going on. There's a lot of unsavory
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  Speaker 3: characters out there, so certainly that is a possibility, But
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  Speaker 3: it's also very inhospitable landscape.
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  Speaker 7: I told him stay the hell out of Monto.
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  Speaker 3: He had a relationship with the family, and so it
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  Speaker 3: seemed like he wanted to help them.
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  Speaker 6: He would have walked that way.
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  Speaker 3: He had a relationship with Dylan in that he had
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  Speaker 3: worked for Dylan in the past.
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  Speaker 6: Well appreciate you.
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  Speaker 14: Let us look around, Yeah, moving to help I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: There's nobody over there. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: When the police searched around the grain shed, they made
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  Speaker 1: a disturbing discovery.
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  Speaker 3: As they're looking in the area, they find this garbage
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  Speaker 3: piled and near the garbage pile, they find a couple
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  Speaker 3: of boots that matched to what Dylan would always wear.
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  Speaker 3: And as they got those boots, they looked a little
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  Speaker 3: closer and lo and behold, there's a couple of red
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  Speaker 3: blotches on them. We started to realize that there's probably
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  Speaker 3: more going on here than the kid that got lost
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  Speaker 3: or got injured. Inside the barn, they do find a
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  Speaker 3: paper cowl with a small amount of blood on it.
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  Speaker 10: Justin His father was with me, and we both looked
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  Speaker 10: at each other and we just knew that the boots
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  Speaker 10: were everything. We just knew, and we just looked at
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  Speaker 10: each other and deflation, like something bad has happened. His
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  Speaker 10: boots said it all. We knew that we probably weren't
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  Speaker 10: going to get our son back.
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  Speaker 1: The family returned to Dylan's trailer looking for clues and
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  Speaker 1: discovered his handgun had mysteriously reappeared while the search on
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  Speaker 1: the ground continued.
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  Speaker 7: It's the first one there, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Digital expert Kelly Gibson volunteered to examine Dylan's cell phone
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  Speaker 1: data and look for clues.
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  Speaker 9: As an analyst, we're looking for patterns and behaviors and data.
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  Speaker 9: So this is the loos In area and this is
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  Speaker 9: what it looks like when we turn on the phone
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  Speaker 9: data and the distances between the tower and where the
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  Speaker 9: phone was in space. We immediately started to plot it
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  Speaker 9: onto a map.
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  Speaker 1: The data revealed Dylan's movements on the day he disappeared.
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  Speaker 9: We can take his movements and start to plot them
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  Speaker 9: along the roads. If we follow that, it shows him
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  Speaker 9: at the barn. He was going to park the grain
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  Speaker 9: truck in the shed, and then we noticed that it
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  Speaker 9: goes from the shed to loose In Pond and that's
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  Speaker 9: where it stops. And so we were able to say, wow,
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  Speaker 9: the phones at the pond. We immediately started organizing the
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  Speaker 9: trip for the scuba team to loosen Pond. We didn't
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  Speaker 9: know if the phone would be alone, or if it
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  Speaker 9: would be with Dylan or anything else. Search and Rescue
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  Speaker 9: scuba team was canvassing out the pond after about two hours.
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  Speaker 9: I was nervous because we had gone through most of
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  Speaker 9: the pond at this point and hadn't found anything, and
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  Speaker 9: then my colleagues said we found the phone. I was
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  Speaker 9: floored that we actually found it.
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  Speaker 1: It was almost four weeks after Dylan went missing. The
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  Speaker 1: phone was badly damaged. The only chance of unlocking the
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: device was that the FBI's forensic lab two hundred miles
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  Speaker 1: away in Salt Lake City, when the.
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  Speaker 14: Phone came in. It was heavily oxidized. It was very
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  Speaker 14: damaged and it was just a big pile of rust
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  Speaker 14: and phone. They asked me to try to rebuild the
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  Speaker 14: phone if possible, to see if anything could be done
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  Speaker 14: with this phone. And I had told the case agent
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  Speaker 14: the chances of me rebuilding this are slimmed.
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  Speaker 6: It on.
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  Speaker 14: When rebuilding a phone, there's always concern of destroying the phone.
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  Speaker 14: In fact, oftentimes when we're pulling them apart, we don't
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  Speaker 14: always get them back together again. But if you don't try,
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  Speaker 14: you don't get anything. I was able to get the
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  Speaker 14: data off of the ZIOM card, and so we knew
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  Speaker 14: that this was Dylan's phone. Once we had determined this
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  Speaker 14: was Dylan's phone, yeah, the pressure did go up a
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  Speaker 14: little bit. Now I've got to find another phone that
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  Speaker 14: I can move the pertinent parts from one phone to
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  Speaker 14: another phone's kind of a donor phone, and trying to
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  Speaker 14: get all the parts to line up and reconnect and
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  Speaker 14: do all the cleaning and everything else. I took them apart,
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  Speaker 14: piece by piece, one at a time. It's kind of
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  Speaker 14: a painstaking process with Q tips and I use a
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  Speaker 14: little flossers here and rubbing alcohol. And it was about
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  Speaker 14: a three day ordeal on all of that. I put
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  Speaker 14: the screen back on and plugged it in and the
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  Speaker 14: battery light came on immediately. I looked through the Internet histories,
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  Speaker 14: nothing really impertinent there. Getting into the call logs, there
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  Speaker 14: was an incoming call from Grandma. And then digging further down,
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  Speaker 14: I found three videos. The last video that was the
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  Speaker 14: last real file saved onto that phone, so I know
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  Speaker 14: it was pretty much the last thing this phone saw
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  Speaker 14: before it ended up in the pond. I immediately called
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  Speaker 14: the case agent. He showed up within minutes, and I
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  Speaker 14: had paused the video with a person's head looking straight
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  Speaker 14: down and yeah. When he walked in, he said, I
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  Speaker 14: know exactly who that is.
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  Speaker 1: It was Dylan's neighbor, James Brenner.
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  Speaker 3: You can see it, James Brenner, the neighbor. He comes
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  Speaker 3: in and out of frame, we can see blood on
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  Speaker 3: his elbow and his wrist. As he continues to move.
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  Speaker 3: He suddenly is holding onto a gun that Brenner's clearly cleaning,
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  Speaker 3: and he seems a little bit almost frantic as he's
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  Speaker 3: trying to do it as well, like he's trying to hurry.
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  Speaker 3: But you can clearly see him wearing that camo shirt
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  Speaker 3: that appears to be red stains on it. Every time
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  Speaker 3: I watch this video, it strikes me about how incredibly
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  Speaker 3: improbable this is. The fact that we even have this
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  Speaker 3: video that was taken moments after his death, showing him
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  Speaker 3: with the murder weapon, with blood, everything that's going to
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  Speaker 3: incriminate Brenner in his trailer, just astonishing that we even
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  Speaker 3: have this. The chances he'd been turning on the phone,
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  Speaker 3: let alone placing it perfectly to capture this video is
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  Speaker 3: truly incredible.
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  Speaker 1: It's a total fluke that James Brenner is caught on
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  Speaker 1: camera on this phone. This clip is really quite remarkable,
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  Speaker 1: both in terms of his technological ineptitude and the hurry
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  Speaker 1: that he must have been in or felt to be
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  Speaker 1: in to not check that there's nothing around him that's
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  Speaker 1: incriminating himself.
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  Speaker 6: On camera.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think, in those moments, that is going to be
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  Speaker 1: one of the most important moments of your life to
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  Speaker 1: do properly and to focus and to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: you're meticulous checking every single detail. But I think more
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  Speaker 1: often than not that's not what happens, because people are
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  Speaker 1: in such a high emotional state.
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  Speaker 3: Up until this point, there's just no real way to
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  Speaker 3: prove beyond reasonable doubt of Brenner's involvement in the case.
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  Speaker 3: This piece of evidence is truly the only reason I'm
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  Speaker 3: able to bring charges.
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  Speaker 1: Almost a year after Dylan Rounds disappeared, investigators were finally
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  Speaker 1: able to charge James Brenner with his murder in March
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, but he refused to reveal the location
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  Speaker 1: of Dylan's body. Then, in twenty twenty four, as part
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  Speaker 1: of a plea deal for a lighter sentence, Brenner finally
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  Speaker 1: led investigators to the area where he'd buried Dylan's body.
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  Speaker 1: Nearly two years Dylan was brought home.
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  Speaker 10: They put Dylan's bones in a box and shipped him
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  Speaker 10: back to Idaho. There was no autopsy when he was recovered.
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  Speaker 1: Finally you could take that breath, I could.
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  Speaker 10: I think the whole family was that way, like we
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: got him, we made him a promise and we followed through.
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  Speaker 10: But forever changes everything. It just leaves you with so
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  Speaker 10: many unanswered what should have been, what would have been,
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: and what could have been? That never go away. We're
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: not supposed to bury our kids.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest question remained, why did James Brenner kill
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Dylan Rounds.
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  Speaker 7: Shooting him off off about how much money he was making.
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  Speaker 3: He seemed to have a little bit of jealousy for Dylan,
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  Speaker 3: because here's this, you know, young and ambitious, motivated, nineteen
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  Speaker 3: year old kid wanting to find a plot of ground
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  Speaker 3: and make a living for himself and farming. And you
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  Speaker 3: contrast that with James Brenner, who's older, gentleman in his sixties,
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  Speaker 3: squatting on a piece of property with not really anything
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  Speaker 3: to show for it. And I think it really did
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: kind of bother Brenner that that Dylan was almost the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: antithesis of who he was.
• 21:25
  Speaker 15: This was the gate and he backed into it and
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: busted out.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Looking at this footage and knowing that he is the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: killer makes me think that he kind of puts out
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: his motives right from the beginning. He says he destroyed
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: my stuff in the garage. He's this guy I don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: really like, and I think, to me, as much as
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that feels like, it's not enough of a reason to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: kill somebody, it is exactly the kind of trajectory that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: we often see when we look at murder. Murder often
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: isn't this really long, premeditated thing. It's small pettiness that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: gets out of control. It's a dislike of somebody that
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: grows and has this breaking point, and that is exactly
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: what we see here. James Brenner was sentenced to up
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to thirty years in prison. In court, the judge said
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the punishment didn't fit the crime. He recommended the parole
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: board keep him in jail as long as they legally can.
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: For me, Dylan's death has to count for a reason.
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: I couldn't have stopped it, but maybe I can for
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: somebody else.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Dylan's mom has channeled her grief into a charity called
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Dylan's Legacy.
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: We offer canine assistance, drone assistance, liaison with police departments,
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: we victim advocate. So we're just out there to help
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: try to recover loved ones and find out what happened
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: in a case.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And from beyond the grave, Dylan is helping to train
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: dogs to find human remains.
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: I still have Dylan with me, and literally we kept
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: some of his remains to help train canines. And I
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: know that sounds weird, but you know, I grab Dolan
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: out of my freezer and I tell him, le's go
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: to work, son. We're gonna go help this family and
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: we're gonna go vet these canines. So for me, that
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: piece of don't now stays with me.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: For Candace, while there's no closure, there's some piece to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: be found.
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: Watching the crops grow, watching the sunflowers all over the road,
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: you know, because that was a big thing of Dylan.
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: He loved his sunflowers. I think what he would have accomplished,
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: But then I think what he has accomplished through death.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: So Dylan was good to make a legacy. He still
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: has one.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Murder is often triggered by a reaction in the moment,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: but sometimes the indicators of homicide can be traced back
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in time. Offenders often display escalating, harmful behaviors before they
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: commit a serious crime, but because these incidents are recorded individually,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it can lead to something called pattern blindness, which is
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: where you can see all the fragmented individual lesser crimes,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but you don't piece it together as a more serious whole,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and sometimes these incidents can be misinterpreted. If you have
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this pattern blindness, it means that you are maybe perceiving
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: that bad things are happening, but you don't really understand
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and just how much worse someone has gone. And what
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: can start as maybe even desirable behaviors or attention towards
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: somebody can escalate to violence, to aggression, and can eventually
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: graduate to murder. In the US, in the state of Minnesota,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the city of a diner.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: He Dina, is known as one of the safest communities
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: in Minnesota. We're well known for our low crime rate
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: compared to the national average. We have sixteen square miles
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: and about fifty three thousand residents.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: In January twenty eighteen, a young woman was missing.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: A call came into the police department requesting a welfare
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: check of an individual. Her mom said that she speaks
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: with her daughter every day and she had not heard
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: from her several days and that was very concerning.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Her name was Christina Prodan. Patrol officers carried out a
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: welfare check at the address provided by Christina's mom.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Our officers checked the scene. Most of the apartment was
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: pretty well kept. Everything in the condo appeared normal. There
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: was some luggage in the living room, the kitchen, the bathroom, everything.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: Was very neat and tidy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: The master bedroom, on the other hand, seemed like it
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: was in disarray. There was bags of clothing strewed about.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Could have been a burglary, could have been somebody just
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: leaving in a hurry. It could have been a lot
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: of things. We weren't really sure.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Luna Bloomer was a close friend of Christina's when she
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: was living in Minnesota.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: When I first met Christina, we had a connection instantly.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: It felt like I had known her for a really
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: long time, and it's quite a rare thing to experience
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: that with somebody. And she was just a really, really
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: lovely person. She wore a heart on her sleeve. She
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: was very easy to talk to. She was always thinking
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: about other people and wanting the best for everybody.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Then in twenty seventeen, Christina started dating a man called
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Joseph Porter.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: They met online and very quickly they would be talking
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: all the time, all night. There was lots of I
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: love yous, even though they didn't even know each other.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: She wasn't in the greatest mental health place because she
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: didn't have very many friends, she didn't have a job
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: at the time, and she had a tough upbringing.
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: It can be very intoxicating to be on the receiving
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: end of being loved bonmb In this case Christina, she's
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: not working, she's got those self estine, she doesn't have
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: a lot of friends, and so someone giving her a
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: lot of attention and love bombing her that way will
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: be very seductive and probably something that will feel very good.
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: It's typical of the early early stages of relationship, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: it's something to be wary of because it is a
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: very obsessive kind of behavior.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Christina wrote a diary expressing her feelings for Joseph.
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: Dear, the love of my life. I love you so much.
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: You're everything I've always wanted, here so much to me.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: You could tell that she was fighting with the feelings
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: of her being infatuated with this new man that's come
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: into our life, that's given her all this attention, but
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: also with the reality of knowing that you know it
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: is a risk and there is some danger to it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: You're so loving Sometimes I wonder if I deserve it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 16: I love you more than my brain can comprehend.
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: Christina Is diary entry points to someone who's clearly in
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: that intoxicated chemical soup oxytocin fueled state of in love,
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: and that's going to feel.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Very, very powerful.
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: The language she's using for someone she barely knows for me,
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: would be concerning because it's kind of projecting all this
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: stuff onto someone she doesn't know.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Joseph moved in with Christina in October twenty seventeen, but
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: just three months later, they were both missing.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Missing persons in their twenties are pretty uncommon. It's usually
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: runaway teenagers or elderly members of the community, so this
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: one was definitely unique.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Just three days before they went missing, on January tewod
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, Christina and Joseph went to Walmart to buy groceries.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Joseph and Christina seem very relaxed in this video, just
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: like any other out for a mundane task of shopping together.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: But by January fifth, Christina stopped replying to messages and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Joseph hadn't turned up to work.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Joseph's employer told us that he hadn't been to work
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: in several days. No one that we had spoken with
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: had seen Joseph.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Investigators began looking into Joseph's background.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: What we discovered was Joseph's been in and out of
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: institutions since he was ten years old and had very
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: violent tendencies starting at a young age, including killing his
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: own mother's dog. I mean this is from a psychological
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: exam talking about him burying kittens up to their neck
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: that are ten weeks old and running over them with
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: a pushmore, Joseph's own mother told us that he was
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: a very bad person and should be.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: Locked up for the rest of his life.
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: When you think about the history that Joseph had of
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: being cruel to animals from a really young age, killing
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: his mother's dog, it could be about trauma. It could
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: be that had a really horrible upbringing and certainly being
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: in care and having that kind of disruption to home
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: life that can certainly contribute on a trauma level.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: But often with a profile like that, where.
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: There's an innate cruelty to animals or innate cruelty in
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: your behavior, that could indicate that there's really something going
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: on in his brain that he's born that way.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: While Joseph lived with Christina, a diner. Peed responded to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: seven domestic violence incidents over the course of just three months,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and Christina reported she'd been raped by Joseph in November
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: The more we learn about Joseph's past, it becomes very
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: concerning for Christina a diner.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Police needed to examine Christina's apartment to try and find
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: anything that could help find her.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: We obtained a search warrant for the condo and requested
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: assistance from a forensic teen.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: They found fresh food in the fridge and a large
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: sum of cash locked in a suitcase, but the most
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: concerning discovery was in the bedroom.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: Part of the search warrant included luminol use in the
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: master bedroom. Luminol attaches to the protein in blood, and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: under a special light, it illuminates, which revealed a bloody
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: handprint in the carpet. We sent that off to the
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: lab to verify the DNA.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And Christina's phone was missing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: We had attempted several times to contact Christina via phone
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: and it was always turned off. The phone carrier confirmed
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: that the phone was off. There was no way for
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: us to track its location.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: The police set up an alert on Christina's phone which
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: would immediately notify them if it was ever turned back on.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Investigators also tracked Joseph Porter's vehicle. They made a worrying discovery.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: The day before Christina went missing, six hundred miles south
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: of a diner, Joseph had been pulled over in Missouri.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: The encounter was recorded on camera.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: Jump come back every sea?
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: Okay?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: The weapon he's on, uplatt dives or anything?
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: Nothing at all? Popping.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: The trooper looks around, asks him to pop the trunk,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: and the trooper is able to get a clear view
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: and doesn't see anyone else in the vehicle. The only
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: occupant is Joseph.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: It's not what cool as your ride? But so, do
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: you have insurance something any man? No, sir, I do not.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: What are you gonna do to crash? I got a
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: lot of tools, yes, and duct tape.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Alongside the duct tape, a shovel and a pick axe.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: When Joseph was asked about the pick axe and shovel
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: located in his car, he just stated it was for
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: his work, all right.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: I mean I'm gonna issue take it for the tag. Mean,
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't longly give warnings for no insurance.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: I mean smash into somebody. You don't have insurance, obviously
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: gonna be a good thing, because you know expensive. If
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: you don't have anything, it'll be out, Okay, So make
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: sure you're being super cautionous you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: So, what I noticed here is Joseph seems really relaxed.
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: He's polite, doesn't seem distressed in any way.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: I have to tape powering you too.
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: At this point, I don't get any alarm bills that
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: Joseph's done anything wrong. He's honest, No, I don't have insurance.
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: Seems like he's cooperating with the police.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Six hours after the state troopers stopped him in Missouri,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Joseph was found sleeping in his car two hundred miles
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: away in Evening Shade, Arkansas. Investigators pulled the video footage
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: from cameras along the route.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: We even tracked down the purchase of the pickaxe and
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: the shovel at a home depot. We tracked down video
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: surveillance of him and gas stations. Joseph was involved in
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: a lot of movements from when he left Minnesota all
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: the way down to Arkansas.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Christina was still unaccounted for.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: We don't have any information on Christina's whereabouts. She's still
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: missing and she was last known to be with Joseph.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Based on her not being in the vehicle, You're very concerned.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Samples taken from Christina's carpet only added to investigators' concerns.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: The DNA evidence came back from the handprint to show
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: that it was Christina's blood, adding up all the factors
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: of Joseph's criminal history, his violent history, specifically with Christina,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: the fact that he was traveling across country. He had
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: been traveling alone but with an axe and shovel. Everything
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: was pointing towards Joseph.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Then the case took an unexpected turn.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Four days into the investigation, we caught a major break.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Christina's phone was turned back on and was pinging in Arkansas.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: But it was a huge surprise. It got turned back
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: off and we were able.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: To track it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Christina's phone ping location data led them to a Walmart
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: in Arkansas.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: We contacted the FBI and local authorities in the area
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: of Arkansas to assist us with our investigation.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: When they checked Walmart's surveillance footage from the exact time
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of the ping, they discovered an unknown male pawning Christina's phone.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: As the police searched through the footage, they made another
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: groundbreaking discovery. As the unknown middle aged male left the walmart,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: he was joined by Joseph Porter. Investigators realized the two
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: men were traveling together.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: They had arrived on scene with a silver vehicle that
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: we had not known about prior to them.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: When investigators checked Joseph's social media, they identified the unknown
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: male from the surveillance footage.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Through the course of our investigation, we learned that Joseph
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: was married to an older man.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: The men was Richard, Joseph's fifty year old husband. The
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: FBI tracked Joseph and Richard to trailer park in Arkansas.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: They were both arrested and brought into custody, but Joseph's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: appearance was alarming.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Joseph had fresh burns on his hands and face.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: We had a lot of.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Arrest history with Joseph and he had a full head
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: of hair the last time that we had arrested him,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: So something happened. When Joseph was initially taken into custody,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: he was very defiant.
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: We're interesting in that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: She's in Minnesota.
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: How should we get a hope of Chrisina because there's
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: a lot of people that are can go to that
• 39:06
  Speaker 13: place that's been done.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: She's not there.
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: You were the last one that had contact with her. Beside,
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: I'm not the last one that the police that were
• 39:15
  Speaker 13: there that night and you said you left.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Police asked Joseph to explain the burns on his hands
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and face.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Do you mind if I if I'll get your hands?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: So all of all of that is it burns.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: It looks like you've got to fight, but.
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: It burns, yeahs.
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: And that happened to how because it looks. I thought
• 39:43
  Speaker 13: it looked like you got pretty good. I fell asleep
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: next to my campfire. I don't know if I rolled
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: into it or how.
• 39:51
  Speaker 15: Have you told me everything?
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: I've answered all your questions, and the questions that I
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: can't answer, I can't answer because I don't know. Right,
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: I'm tired of you go goddamn games.
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: What we have here is a very different Joseph and
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: then what we saw in the police car. He's looking down,
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: he's not jokey, he's not nonchalant, he's defensive. His answers
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: are a little more aggressive. So clearly this is a
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: very different part of Joseph. That's showing up here.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: When police interviewed Joseph's husband, Richard, he was more forthcoming.
• 40:32
  Speaker 13: What would you say to HERMANA if you could say
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: I knew something about his help?
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: I know something I don't know, but I'm just be
• 40:39
  Speaker 15: going pretty bad.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: So what do you got to say? Is gonna help
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: you better? Thank long?
• 40:44
  Speaker 13: And Ard, I didn't know whether he had weapons whatever
• 40:51
  Speaker 13: in the house.
• 40:52
  Speaker 15: I was pretty much scared last today, you know. And
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: he told me that he told me that she was dead.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: Before she left, So he.
• 41:07
  Speaker 15: Told you he killed her. Yes.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: After Joseph's husband told us that Joseph had confessed to
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: him on murdering Christina, we needed to find her. The
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: car was the first clue. The car that Joseph was
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: driving in the video surveillance at Walmart was recovered at
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: the location.
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: Where he was arrested.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: The vehicle was registered to a towyard in New Orleans.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: While Joseph was in custody a diner, police received news
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that a body had been discovered in New Orleans. It
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: was right next to the tow yard where the silver
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: vehicle had been stolen.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: The body was found burning in a shipping container full
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: of tires. So the fire department had been called there
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: to put the fire out and while doing so, located.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: The body in the back of the box.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: We had made arrangements for the body that we had
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: thought was Christina's to be sent to Minnesota for further examination.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: The medical examiner confirmed it was Christina's body through DNA
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: and dental records.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Joseph Porter was brought back in for a second interview.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Joseph, we had lots of critical information from the investigation
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: that was presented to Porter during the interrogation that didn't
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: allow him to back out.
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: I grabbeder buyer, I account by the front of it
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: and throw her own of the bed and I'm a
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: screaming atter that we're done, We're done, We're done. You
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: keept hitting me, punch sure in her ribs, knock the
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: wind owver bre you can't fight. Plunhed you her face wrap.
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: All I want her to do it was rendered her unconscious,
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: put her sleep. I felt the body gloop h I
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: could have protected her from everybody bring out for myself.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: I'm glad I got got joking.
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: Someone strangulating them is really close and intimate, because you're
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: going to be holding them while you're doing it. That's
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: not a compassionate kind part of Joseph, that's a sociopathic part.
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: He didn't call the police saying I did this by accident.
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: If you're a sociopath, you have no problem lying, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: you don't operate with the same rules for humanity. You
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: feel entitled to get what you want, do what you want,
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: manipulate people. Sociopathic tendencies has very little regard for any
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: other's well being other than your own self serving needs.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: It's really really messed up, you know. And the thought
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: of her being strangled, Thinking that this person that's doing
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: this to you loves you like they're supposed to be
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: supporting and caring for you, not restricting your breathing is terrifying,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: and it's heartbreaking. Nobody deserves that, at least of somebody
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: like Christina. I felt guilty that I wasn't there for
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: heartbroken that she couldn't extend her light anymore to the world,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: that more people wouldn't be able to get to experience
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Christina and the big heart that she had and the
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: laughter she had.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: In January twenty nineteen, Joseph Porter pleaded guilty to second
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: degree murder. He was sentenced to twenty years and ten
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: months in prison.
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: The World Health Organization estimates that roughly thirty percent of
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: women will experience some kind of violence within a relationship
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: that they're in. That's a lot of people. It's important
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: that people know the signs of what is a coercive, controlling,
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: abusive relationship so that they could get the help they need.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: If I could speak to her again, and I would
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: say how sorry I am that I wasn't there for her,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: and that she went through everything that she had to
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: go through, but she didn't deserve that. She was such
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: a beautiful soul, and I wish she was still here.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: H m hmm.