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John Brockman And His Good Pal Jeffrey Epstein (5/11/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: A man named John Brockman today, and John Brockman is
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a literary agent who it works with all of the
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scientists who write books, and all of the academics who
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write books, and all of the supposed great minds. Well,
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John Brockman was one of Jeffrey Epstein's enablers, a man
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who brought Jeffrey Epstein closer to these scientists. And the
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article we're going to read today from The New Republic
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is going to detail just how that occurred. Now, this
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article came out on August twenty second of twenty nineteen,
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and the article was written by Evgeny Morozov and the
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headline Jeffrey Epstein's intellectual enabler. How did Epstein meet so
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many luminaries in the world of science and technology? It
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all might trace back to literary agent John Brockman. And
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I've heard John Brockman's name brought up several times to
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me in private conversations with people who are close to
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this case. And I've been meaning to get around to
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talk about John Brockman. And since the news is so
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light lately, I figured today would be the perfect time
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to do that. So let's jump into this article and
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see just exactly what John Brockman was up to. If
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you are an accomplished science or technology writer, your books
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are probably handled by the most powerful literary agency in
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the field, the famous John Brockman Incorporated, started by John
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Brockman and now run by Max Brockman, his son. As
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it happens, Max is also my agent and has been
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since my first book was sold in two thousand and nine.
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As agencies go, I only have positive things to report.
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The Brockmens fight for their authors and get us very
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handsome advances. That's what agents are for, of course, right, Look,
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not knocking the guy for his hustle. We all have
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to have our hustle, and we all have to be
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good at our job, right, And if you're a literary agent,
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your job is to make sure that your writers are
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getting deals and they're writing books. So not knocking the
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man for his hustle. I have no problem with the
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fact that he's a literary agent, right. My problem is
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he enabled Jeffrey Epstein. My problem is he brought Jeffrey
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Epstein into a circle and gave him credibility of the
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off of his own name, off of the back of
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his own name. And when you do that you're vouching
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for this guy and in the world I come from. Well,
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if you vouch for somebody, you're responsible for their behavior.
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But that's not the whole story. John is also the president, founder,
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and chief and presierro of the Edge Foundation, which has
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earned a stellar reputation as an eclectic platform for conversations
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that involve scientists, artists, and technologists. There is more than
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one Edge Foundation, though. There is the one meant for
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public consumption with its annual question e g. What are
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you optimistic about? Answered by famous intellectuals and thinkers, and
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one meant for private consumption by members of Brockman's elite network.
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The former exists primarily online. The latter has a vibrant
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real life component, with sumptuous dinners, exclusive conferences, and quite
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a bit of travel on private jets. It functions as
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an elaborate massage of the ego and apparently much else
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for the rich, the smart, and the powerful. Again, we
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see this time and time again with business leaders and
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politicians and you know, hedge fund managers, et cetera, et cetera.
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But now we also see that the highest in the
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realms of academia, the scientists, the doctors, the professors, all
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of these people are just as susceptible to guys like
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Jeffrey Epstein as well, and if not more. You see,
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these guys might be the leading minds at what they do,
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but that's about it. Right. If you take a look
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at most of these scientists, they're not exactly what you
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would call, you know, guys that are gonna knock your
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girls socks off if they come and sit down and
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look at them. Right, these are the kind of guys
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that are super intelligent, but pretty goofy for the most part. Right,
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these guys weren't playing on the football team, they weren't
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shotgun and beers on Saturday nights. They weren't getting into fights,
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they weren't getting the hot cheerleader girls in school, none
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of that. So that was all repressed for them. Now
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later on in life, well, the world's their oyster, and
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Jeffrey Epstein just happens to be serving seafood. Over the
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course of my research into the history of digital culture,
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I've got to know quite a lot about John's role
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in shaping the digital and especially the intellectual world that
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we live in. I've examined and scanned many of his
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letters in the archives of famous men, and they are
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mostly men such as Marshall McCluin, Stuart Brand, and Gregory Bateson.
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He is no mere literary agent. He is a true
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organic inte sellectual of the digital revolution, shaping trends, shaping
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trends rather than responding to them. Would the MIT, Media Lab,
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TED conferences and Wired have the clout and intellectual orientation
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that they have now without the extensive network cultivated by
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Brockman over decades, I, for one, very much doubt it. Again.
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I've talked about these TED talks and these these Media
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Lab conferences and the Edge Foundation for years, and a
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lot of times it fell upon deaf ears. You know.
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I would speak to people about it and their eyes
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would glaze over. There's always been something going on, something
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wrong with these scientists, these people that were hanging out
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with Jeffrey Epstein. We never had anybody come out really
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and talk about it. Besides, you know, when Virginia so
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bravely stepped forward and talked about you know, Minski and
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some of the other scientists and stuff. But these guys
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have been able to go underneath the radar, operate under
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the radar for so long because everyone looks up to
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them because they're so smart and they're so respected. But meanwhile, meanwhile,
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in the dark of night and in on the privacy
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of Jeffrey Island's Jeffrey Epstein's Island, well, their real characters
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started to show through. So I've always been skeptical of
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these conferences like Ted Talk and the Edge Foundation, any
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of these places where people get up on a stage
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and they start preaching to you and they're acting holier
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than now and acting as if they're better than you.
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I automatically start to think that something is going on.
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It's just like when the government says to you, everything's
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fine here, everything's all right. We're from the government, we're
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here to help. Then you know, for a fact it's
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time to panic. Lately, John has been in the news
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for other reasons, namely because of his troubling connections to
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Jeffrey Epstein, the so called financier pedophile who reportedly hanged
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himself earlier this month while facing federal charges of sex trafficking.
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Epstein participated in the Edge Foundation's annual questions and attended
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its billionaire's dinners. Brockman may also be the reason why
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so many prominent academics, from Stephen Pinker to Daniel Dennett,
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have found themselves answering awkward questions about their associations with Epstein. Now,
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the way Gilaine Maxwell acted for the world of the socialite,
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for the Upper Crest so called polite society, with Jeffrey
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Epstein as a conduit, that is the same exact way
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John Brockman acted as a conduit for Epstein into the
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world of intellectuals and scientists. Now, I'm not saying that
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John Brockman had the same sort of role as Gilaine Maxwell. Okay,
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nothing like that. But he was the introduction man, right.
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He was the man that introduced Epstein to these scientists,
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who vouched for Epstein with these scientists, brought them all
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together at the Edge Foundation, took a bunch of money
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from Jeffrey Epstein. Right. So Brockman was the pivot man
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for Epstein when it came to procuring scientists, the same
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way Gilay Maxwell was that the woman when it came
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to procuring young girls for him to abuse. There are
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clients of Brockman's. Marvin Minsky, the prominent Mit scientist who
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surfaced as one of Epstein's Island Buddies a client of Brockman's.
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And we know that Virginia said that Marvin Minsky was
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not only an enabler, but that she was trafficked to
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him as well. And I talked about Minsky on an
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episode yesterday morning, I believe, or the day before. I
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don't know. All the days are blending together to me
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right now. But Minsky is definitely somebody that flew under
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the radar for way too long, and he passed away recently,
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so obviously he's not somebody whose name is in the forefront.
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But I don't think that his legacy should go down
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with that without that being part of it. Right What
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he did to Virginia, that needs to be talked about,
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That needs to be known. And you know, the media
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never really talks about Minsky. They never have. And of
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course there's more, there's juicier people involved in the case
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for them, of course, because health wants to Nobody even
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knows who Minsky is unless you're involved in you know,
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science and stuff. But the fact of the matter is
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Minsky needs more, needs more scrutiny, and he needs to
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be looked at harder by the legacy media. Choi Ito,
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the director of the elite research facility MIT Media Lab,
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who has recently acknowledged extensive ties to Epstein. Huh, also
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a client of Brockman's. You see the pattern here, folks,
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You see how it works. All of these people. Brockman
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would be the center guy, right the pivot. Epstein would
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come to him, Brockman would make the introduction, Epstein would
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suck them into his orbit, and we all know the
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story after that. Should we just write it off as
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natural collateral damage for someone with a network as extensive
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as Brockman's, he is, after all, a networker's networker. Yeah, sorry, negative.
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One thing we've learned in this case, the coincidence aren't
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The coincidences aren't just coincidences. In this case, There's always
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more to it. There's always more under beneath the surface.
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When you do just a little scratch of the surface,
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you always find a little bit more. Based on my
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observations over the last decade, his whole his whole operation
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runs on two simple but powerful principles. First, the total
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value of the network, and thus his own value goes
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up if the nodes start connecting to each other independently
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of him. Yeah. Well, that's how networking usually works, right,
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You make the introduction, you water the seeds, then you
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let the garden grow. And Brockman was very good at that,
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very good at that, nurturing relationships between people like Epstein
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with money and scientists who needed that money to get
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their projects off the ground. Second, the more diverse the network,
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the more attractive to its newcomers as well as to
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all the exist existing members. Billionaires are rich, but they
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might harbor an insecurity complex related to not being very
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well read. Looking at you, Bill Gates. Oooh, zinger at
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Bill Gates, our friend Bill Gates. Scientists, in contrast, are
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usually well read, but might aspire to finance to fancy
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your cars and luxuries and funding for their pet projects
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and so on. There's something for everyone, And in the
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case of Epstein, some one seems to have done the matchmaking. Yeah,
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of course it's obvious. We know that that was happening, right,
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And people who follow the story have heard of John Brockman,
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and people know that he's a big time literary agent
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and somebody who is, you know, very connected when it
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comes to scientists, et cetera, et cetera. But it's obvious
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when you really dig deep and you take a look
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at what was going on that Brockman was working, as
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you know, the doorway into the scientific world, the man
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that would match these people together, like he was the
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millionaire matchmaker. Right, Oh, Epstein has money, this guy has
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a pet project. Epstein might like, let's get him together.
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And then, of course I'm sure Brockman was getting a
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percent somewhere down the line. Obviously I don't have evidence
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to prove that, but it works well with our entire
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thread of money laundering. Right. We all know that if
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you were to match up all of the receipts on
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the cash transactions, et cetera, et cetera, how many of
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them were reported to the IRS. I'd really like to
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know that in Brockman's world, billionaires, scientists, artists, novelists, journalists,
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and musicians all blend together to produce enormous value for
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each other and of course for Brockmen, again a symbiotic relationship.
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There's nothing wrong with that for a literary agent to
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you know, bring people together to try and network to
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help his clients get funding, et cetera, et cetera. The
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problem is when you're using Jeffrey Epstein as that lynchpin,
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when you're using Jeffrey Epstein as the draw. Brockman's a
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smart guy, all right. And did anyone thinks that Brockman
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didn't have an idea what Epstein was up to. I don't.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe that this mingling of
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clients doesn't happen in their literary agencies, at least not
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to this extent. Nor does this happen at Brockman Incorporated.
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As all such interactions that we know of took place
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under the umbrella of the Edge Foundation, a sibling organization
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with Brockman as its president. Of course, you don't want
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to shit where you eat, right, you don't want to
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put it under the banner of your literary agency. So
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you start this thing called the Edge Foundation. Perfect. We'll
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get this Edge Foundation together, and we'll bring together all
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of these scientists with their fantastic benefactor, Jeffrey Epstein. Oh,
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did I mention there's a bunch of young girls on
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the island too. Would Brockman Incorporated exist without the Edge Foundation? Possibly?
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And it did at the outset. Would it be as
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powerful trading on Brockman's ability to rub shoulders with academics
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and billionaires alike? Probably not. Still, I can attest that
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Brockman's authors faced no pressure to get involved with EDGE. I,
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for example, diligently responded to their annual question between twenty
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ten and two thousand and thirty. Was as much of
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an enabler as anybody else. Right, This guy John Brockman
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is very powerful in the industry that he is in,
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and he is definitely a gatekeeper to Epstein. Right, definitely
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was a gatekeeper to Epstein and definitely held the keys
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to a lot of these scientists and authors, you know,
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moving their projects forward on the back of Epstein's dime
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and the fact that they told their authors to stay
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away from politics and stuff when it comes to responding
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to the questions, Well, that doesn't shock anybody, Right, They
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don't want them, you know, their overlords in one of
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the Alphabet Soup agencies that were running Epstein to get
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upset with the commentary. When the Epstein Brockman connection first
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surfaced in the news, I wanted to give Brockman the
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benefit of the doubt. It's possible. I thought that Epstein
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was just one of the many rich people in Brockmann's orbit,
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or maybe the two had been close before Epstein's first
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criminal case in the mid two thousands, or maybe Brockman
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was in the dark about Epstein's tendencies and they only
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talked about quantum physics and artificial intelligence. Yeah, look, I
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can understand why the author would feel that way about Brockman.
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He's his agent. He wants to think the best of
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the guy. Of course, you always want to give people
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the benefit of the doubt, right. You don't want to
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go into things and be like, all right, this dude's
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a part of Epstein's operation. That's it. Nothing can change
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my mind. Of course not. You always want to give
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people the benefit of the doubt. You want to look
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at the evidence and you want to make sure that
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your line of thinking is clear and that it has
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nothing to do with a confirmation bias or anything like that. Right,
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So this gentleman, the author Morozov, who wrote this article,
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wanted to give Brockman the benefit of the doubt. But
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obviously it doesn't add up, right when the pieces start
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to come into play, you can't try and you know,
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bend the truth to make it fit what you think
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the situation should be. You just have to follow the
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truth wherever it goes in the last few weeks, such
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a charitable interpretation has become very hard to sustain, especially
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as other details implicating Marvin Minsky enjoy Eto, who has
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apologized for taking money from Epstein, became public. John Brockman
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has not said a word publicly about his connection to
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Epstein since the latest scandal broke, preferring to maintain silence
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on the matter that I have found quite infuriating. Yeah,
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it is pretty infuriating, right. A guy like Brockman should
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have came out right away, distanced himself from Epstein, distanced
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himself from the whole entire situation, and answered questions about
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his relationship with Epstein and as his role as a gatekeeper.
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But instead, like the rest of them, he just clammed up,
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quieted down and hoped it would go away. And that's
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what they all hope because of the first time around
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how things went, they hope that this time around it's
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the same thing. That nothing, the wheels don't turn, nobody
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gets in trouble and justice this has never served well.
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I'm here to tell them this isn't the last time around.
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All right. It's a whole new world we're living in, folks.
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There was no social media like this. The last time around,
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there was no way for the survivors to go directly
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to the people with their case and their story. Now
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there is. And guess what, We've completely bypassed all of
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their buddies in the legacy media. We've completely bypassed all
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of their friends like George Stepanopolis and Amy Robach. Okay,
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we're taking the case directly to the people this time,
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and it terrifies them. It scares them. They know that
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there is no place for them to run. There is
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no safe haven for these people at this point. Knowing
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that Brockman likes to brag about all the famous people
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he has met and befriended, you can easily count the
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seconds until he name checks Marshall mccluhan or Andy Warhol
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or Gregory Bateson in a casual conversation. I decided to
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look over our correspondence over the past decade and see
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if he might have name dropped Epstein somewhere. Of course
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he did. Browsing through our email correspondence, I stumbled upon
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a most peculiar email from September twelfth of twenty thirteen.
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It was very laconic je FYI JB followed by my
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short bio and some media clippings. You can check the
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entire PDF of the correspondence here. There's a hyperlink in
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this story. Make sure you click on the link in
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the description box after the article and you could check
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out that PDF. Strangely, it was sent to me and
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had no other contacts in CC. Perhaps he wanted to
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send it to JE but put my email there by mistake.
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When I commented on the meaning of this cryptic message,
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he responded with the following message, reproduced here in full.
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I missed that one. Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire science philanthropist pedophile,
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showed up at his weekend's event by helicopter with his
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beautiful young assistant from Belarus. He'll be in Cambridge in
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a couple of weeks. Ask me who he should meet.
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You are one of the people I suggested and told
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him I would send some links. He's the guy who
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gave Harvard thirty million dollars to set up Martin Noak.
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He's been extremely generous in funding projects of many of
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our friends and clients. He also got into trouble and
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spent a year in jail. That's what he says. Just
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he got in trouble and spent a year in jail.
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That's what Brockman says in the email. Doesn't go into detail,
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no context, nothing right. Why are you providing cover for him,
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mister Brockman, Why don't you let your other people know
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the people that you're representing, the sort of scoundrel, the
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sort of snake that you're trying to get them in
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bed with. If he contacts you, it's probably worth your
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time to meet him, as he is extremely bright and interesting. Really,
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what he means is extremely rich. Last time I visited
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his house, the largest private residence in NYC, I walked
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in to find him in a sweatsuit and a British
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guy in his suit with suspenders getting foot massages from
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a young, well dressed Russian woman after grilling me for
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a while about cybersecurity. The brit name Andy was commenting
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on the Swedish authorities and the charges against Julian aesanje Andy,
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meaning Prince Andrew aka the Prince of punk Asses, the
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Prince of lies. We think they're liberal in Sweden, but
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it's more like northern England as opposed to southern Europe.
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He said. In Monaco, Albert works twelve hours a day,
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but at nine pm. When he goes out, he does
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whatever he wants and nobody cares. But if I do it,
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I'm in big trouble. At that point, I realized that
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the recipient of IRENA's foot massage was His Royal Highness,
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Prince Andrew, the Duke of York. Indeed, a week later,
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on a slow news day, the cover of the New
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York Post had a full page photo of Jeffrey and
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Andrew walking in Central Park under the headline the Prince
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in the PERV. That was the end of Andrew's role
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as the UK Trade Ambassador, to which I responded, thanks
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for clarifying this. I'm sure he's an all around sweet guy,
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but I'll have to think about it. It could be
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that I spent far too much time in the Soros bubble,
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but I have zero interest in meeting billionaires. If I did,
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I'd be going to Davis every year. But I appreciate
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you taking the time. That's interesting that he brings up
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George Soros here, and that he was in George Soros's
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bubble and wants nothing to do with that either. I mean,
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George Soros is another one of these billionaire investors that
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we could probably do a whole entire podcast on right,
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because all of these guys doesn't matter your political bend, folks. Okay,
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all of these big players, all of these big time
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bundlers and money money guys, package guys, these guys are
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all bad for business, all right. These guys are the
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worst kind of lobbyists. Here is Brockman again. A billionaire
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who owns Victoria's secret plus a modeling agency is a
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different kind of animal. But I hear you and basically agree.
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Gregory Bateson once advised me that of all of our
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human inventions, economic man is by far the dullest JB.
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And here's my final answer. A billionaire who owns Victoria's
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secret plus a modeling agency one more reason to stay away. Actually,
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and look, the author of this article seems like a
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savant at this point, right, for avoiding all of this,
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staying out of the clutches of Epstein, not falling into
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the trap. So he definitely needs to get some props, right,
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Evgeny Morozov needs to get some props for not falling
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into that trap. I didn't know who Epstein was at
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the time, since I've never been keen to hang out
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with billionaires. Mine was a natural response. I declined Brockman's
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invitations to hang out on his farm or attend his
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famous billionaire dinners. So I didn't think much of that
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invitation and eventually forgot about it. Needless to say, I
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never heard from Epstein or from Brockman about Epstein. Of course,
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they try and dangle the carrot, right, but if you're
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not willing to play ball, they don't want anything to
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do with you. They don't want any loose lips on
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their ship, right. They know what happens with loose lips,
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so they don't want any of that nonsense. If you're
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not down with their proclivities, if you're not a fellow traveler,
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you're not welcome. In that old email, it seems clear
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that Brockman was acting as Epstein's pr men, his liaison
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with the world of scientists and intellectuals that Brockman had cultivated.
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Just like I said, Brockman was the pivot player here.
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He was the door, the revolving door that swung and
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opened the whole entire world of academia to Jeffrey Epstein
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and gave him the credibility for these scientists to listen
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to what he has to say that Brockman has said
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nothing over this affair is rather bewildering. He did not
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return requests for comment left on his email and voicemail.
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I do know that John Brockman has been in poor
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health over the last few years, so I've cut him
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some slack, But patient as I am, the time is
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run out. It's not as if the Epstein story broke yesterday.
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It's been more than a month since Epstein was arrested
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on the latest charges. Still no word on the issue,
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And now that I've found that old email he sent me,
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I cannot believe that he knew absolutely nothing of Epstein's
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wild sexual escapades. In fact, his email suggests he was
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trying to capitalize on them to recruit yet another useful
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idiot into Epstein's network. One hundred percent, one hundred percent,
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that's what these guys did. This network was vast, folks,
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so much larger than we could have ever imagined, or
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that that's even been presented to us. I feel like
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getting a punchboard and setting it up like they did
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in the Wire to take down Barksdale and stirring you, Rebell.
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That's how I feel right about now. Is in my
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office I'm about to set one up with pictures and
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really start digging into this like I'm a detective McNulty
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over here, because this is the many layers of this,
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the many chambers of this. It's so vast. It is
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so vast that it's hard to wrap your mind around
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how many top level important people were involved in not
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only the actual abuse, but enabling this to go on
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for so many years. There's more. A close analysis of
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Edge foundation publicly available financial statements suggest that between two
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thousand and one and twenty and fifteen, it has received
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six hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars from Epstein's various
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foundations in man any of those years, Epstein was Edge's
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sole donor. Yet how many of Edge's contributors, let alone readers,
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knew Epstein played so large a role in the organization.
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And now, remember those are just the numbers that we
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have on the books. We don't really know how much
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money was given to any of these people, any of
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these foundations. We know that Epstein loved to spread the
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money around, but was it always you know, done on
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the up and up straight transfers of money or how
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many bags of cash were given out That's a question
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that needs to be asked, because the money aspect of
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this whole entire thing has been left to the side
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when I believe it's a big part of it, a
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big tool for law enforcement to use to leverage these people.
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I wish they would use it more often. I'm just
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one of the many authors in Brockman's agency. My departure
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wouldn't affect anything. I am also the last one to complain.
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His agency sold two of my books, and I have
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two more underway, also sold by them. Yet I am
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ready to pull the plug on my association with Brockman's
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agency and would encourage other authors to consider doing the
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same until and unless he clarifies the relationship between him,
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the Edge Foundation, and Epstein. If such an explanation is
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not forthcoming, many of us will have to decide whether
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we would like to be part of this odd intellectual
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club located on the dubious continuum between the seminar room
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and the sex trafficking ring. That's some powerful stuff, right,
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and I commend him for doing that and calling on
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his colleagues to do the same. Nobody should be working
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with this Brockman guy until he clarifies what's going on? Right, Sorry, buddy,
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time to split excessive networking it appears devours its own.
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Brockman is already many months too late to what he
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should have done much earlier. Close down the Edge Foundation, publicly, repent, retire,
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and turn Brockman Incorporated into yet another bat banal literary agency,
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the kind where authors do not have to mingle with
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billionaires at fancy dinners or worry about walking in on
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the Prince of punk Asses getting his feet massaged the
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UN network. I think that's a great idea, right, I
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really do. I think that the role that Brockman played
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in this can't be understated. I think that it deserves
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more scrutiny, and I think the Edge Foundation in general
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should be put on blast. So we're going to talk
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a little bit about the Edge Foundation in the coming days.
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We'll talk a little bit more about that, add some
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context to just exactly what it is, what they were
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up to, what sort of conferences they were doing, who
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was involved, et cetera, et cetera. So, folks, look, like
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I said, the rabbit hole is deep. This rabbit hole
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is so deep. Every time we take a dive into
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the hole, we find more Chambers and more Warrens. So
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we just have to keep pulling on these threads. We
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have to keep going, pulling on these threads and calling
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out all of these enablers whenever possible, because they played
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a big role in this right. Without this man, John Brockman,
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Epstein would have had a harder time getting into the
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world of academia. He would have had a harder time
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getting his fingers deep into this world. But yet Brockman
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acted as that pivot, He acted as the conduit, and Epstein,
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in turn, was accepted by some of the finest minds
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in the world who we've realized, while they might be
28:16
very smart, individuals, were disgusting scoundrels, just like Jeffrey Epstein.
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If you like to contact me, you can do that
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at Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo b
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You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore
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c ap U c CI. Happy New