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Does the NFL mistreat their players? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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  www.worldwidesportsradio.com. CBS Sports reports that the NFL
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  Players Association president JC Treader is stepping down from
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  his position following the recent NFL collusion scandal.
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  NFL PA Executive Director Lloyd Howell Junior also stepped down
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  from his position after he was caught charging the players
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  union over $3000 for strip club visits.
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  Howell was also involved in a 2015 incident with another
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  employee where they got thousands of dollars from a
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  strip club, leading to people losing their jobs.
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  Howell also worked as a consultant with a company called
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  Carlisle Group and Where seeking minority ownership of some NFL
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  teams which would go against CBA rules.
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  The Association press Ben Vollin reports that JC Treader bent the
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  rules to hire Howell, covered up a lot of of the scandals and hid
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  a lot of the information on arbitration decisions from other
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  NFLPA members. Several former NFL players,
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  including Ben Watson, Damian Woody took shots at tread saying
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  that the NFLPA should have or I'm sure should have yes removed
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  him while a while ago. NFLPA Senior Director of Player
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  Affairs Don Davis is likely to become the next NFLPA president
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  after Treader stepped down. You know, it's an interesting
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  story. I obviously I got AI got a
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  message from Fish that we were going to talk about this because
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  it's been a story for the last I would say 72 hours and it's
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  really been the whole all week. It's been back and forth.
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  The story hit. There was a writer that brought
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  it out to the public and and it started to grow legs.
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  And obviously this has been going on for a long, long time.
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  It's not like the players union or the players didn't know about
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  this because they were involved with it.
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  So it wasn't hidden. The fact is, is when the NFL
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  got, you know, it came out to the NFL and, and some of the
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  owners, they got pissed off about it.
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  No, I, I'm sure the owners didn't think it was a collusion
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  because they were, I believe they knew something about this
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  too. It couldn't have just happened
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  over the last couple of years and completely just been thrown
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  under the rug. Obviously owners knew about it,
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  players knew about it, but it finally came out because there
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  had to be a story. The NFL, there was no stories
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  where where we went from the draft to free agency and
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  everybody's trying to find something.
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  All these writers are trying to find something before OTAs or,
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  you know, preseason starts, which is a right around the
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  corner. You're talking about the
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  preseason. What is it 3 weeks away?
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  You're going to we're going to see the Hall of Fame in Duxy and
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  then we're going to see the first preseason game over there
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  in in, in Cleveland, in Cleveland.
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  So I obviously the NFL and and these writers are trying to find
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  a story. So this story was something that
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  was brewing. It was brewing from last year
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  because obviously over the last three years, there was something
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  going on with Jon Gruden in those text messages and those
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  emails and everything. And Jon Gruden lost his job with
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  the Raiders. What was it 3 years ago?
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  And then nobody, not anybody has come out with that list of guys
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  because they were like 70 own 70 different people, including
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  owners, GM's, coaches that were on those emails.
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  But the only. Wasn't it like 10 years though?
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  Like 10 going back. Of 2012 to like 21.
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  It was it was going on for a while, but nobody knows who was
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  on those lists except John Gruden and then obviously
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  Schneider and Goodell. Those were the only three guys I
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  think were released and that on the 70 or 80 guys that were
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  involved in that scandal. Now this scandal is starting to
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  grow legs. Now, I don't know if it was so
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  much of A scandal, unless there's more to this scandal
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  that meets the eye now. I don't know.
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  And there's nothing that's come out.
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  Maybe the NFL is going to brush it under the rug as they've done
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  it so very well over the years. Go ask the New England Patriots
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  how many times they brush those under the rug.
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  I we, we all know about Spygate. Deflategate wasn't anything
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  about a gate. But obviously the NFL was trying
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  to drop the hammer on Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and and
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  Robert Kraft because owners did not like the fact that those
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  tapes were not shown and they burned the tapes before it could
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  even get out there. But there's, and it's not just
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  the NFL, professional sports, the MLB, there's scandals.
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  It happens all the time and it's covered up the NBA.
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  How many scandals have been with the NBA, as we all call it, the
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  LJ? Well, I call it the LJ because
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  LeBron James, I'm sure when he retires and he steps away from
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  the NBA, there'll be stories coming out.
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  There were some kind of scandals involved with LeBron James and
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  some of the better players in the league.
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  Dwyane Wade over the years was very connected to the players
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  union. Chris Paul was the voice of the
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  players union. So I'm sure the NBA has stories
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  and stories that haven't come out yet.
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  But the NFL is the biggest sport in the United States.
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  It's the number one sport. It sells billions and billions
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  of tickets and billions of billions of merchandise.
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  And then obviously what it brings in for the Super Bowl is
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  just absolutely ridiculous. So the NFL where they we're
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  selling five and a half million dollar 32nd commercials at Sue
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  at the Super Bowl this year. You, you look at the money that
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  is bringing in. I'm not surprised that this
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  story comes out. And how old is a guy that was
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  trying to be a part of ownership?
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  He was trying to buy a team. He was involved with it.
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  He was taking millions and millions of dollars from the
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  players union and the players. Remember, $3,000,000 isn't a lot
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  of money. OK, I, I want to, I want to get
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  that through to you guys. There were stories coming out
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  that he was stealing millions of dollars, and then I'm hearing
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  through a different story that I was reading today, it was like
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  3,000,000 a year. That's what he was making about
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  $3,000,000. That's not a lot of money when
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  it comes to a sport that's bringing in billions and
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  billions of dollars. Last year the NFL brought in
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  almost 2025 1/2 billion dollars the year before that almost 17
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  or 18 billion. So it went up almost $6 billion.
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  And, and with the CBA and the TV deals that they're bringing in
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  and now the options that some of these players are going to get,
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  look at JJ, TJ Watt that look at the contract that he just got
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  recently. What was it over the weekend?
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  It was the biggest contract besides of court a quarterback.
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  He I think he's making 42 and a half, $1,000,000 a year now.
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  Well deserved by the way, I'm not saying that it was and it
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  isn't the fact is the NFLPA knew about this.
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  This is not something that was hidden for years.
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  It's a story that came out because a writer wanted to get
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  something out where he can become the center of attraction.
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  And that's what these writers are doing now.
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  They're trying to find a story and then it comes and a lot of
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  these players I I was watching things on YouTube today, a lot
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  of these ex players that are still in involved with the
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  union. They said that obviously this is
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  a sad story. This is not a happy story for
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  the players union, but they said there's a lot of collusion that
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  goes on or goes around in professional sports.
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  And then also I watched, I'm not going to mention the show that I
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  was watching. He had a, one of these ex
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  players that were involved with the union for many, many years.
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  He asked him and he said, well, this goes on in unions in every
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  single, you know, every single union.
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  This goes on in not just sports, but every single union.
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  And this particular guy said, well, wait a second, not every
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  union every got every player, every person is a millionaire.
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  So he's absolutely right. When you when you see this kind
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  of money being flashed around and $3000 is nothing to the
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  players union, as a matter of fact, it only gives you a
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  thought in your mind how much money is getting thrown around
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  under the table. That's what's scary about the
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  NFL and everybody talks about and I have attacked Ohtani for
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  the betting scandal at the MLB was trying to cover up for over
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  the last what, 2 years? Now we're talking about this.
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  Now this is a scandal, but is it really that big of a scandal
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  when we know that professional sports for years have been, how
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  about college sports, what they've been doing for players?
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  Now all of a sudden we have the NIL deals and these players are
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  making money. How many times before the FBI
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  got involved with it, before the Mafia got involved with it, how
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  much money was being pushed under the table for these
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  players to decide, hey, you know what, I want to go to this
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  school. I want to go to that school.
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  So it's been going on. Collusion's been going on
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  forever. Let's not forget the Arabs that
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  funded Deon Sanders. Yeah.
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  So obviously this is obviously a big story.
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  The NFL is trying to cover it up and howl stepping down and
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  obviously the the Treader situation, him stepping down.
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  Here's the thing, the senior director of player affairs is
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  not an important position, just to let everybody know it.
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  It's a it's a position. It's not the biggest, it's not
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  the most important position when it comes to the NFL players
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  union. Now there's a line of players
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  that are involved in communication with these lead
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  guys, these lead guys that are running the players union.
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  This is a position that is highly touted because there's
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  money that there's a lot of money that these guys make.
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  If you're on the board, you're making money.
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  OK, so when you're speaking, you're going to strip bars and
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  you're embarrassing yourself. I understand why you would bring
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  some of these guys, these players to the strip bars.
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  Why it it attracts, it attracts money, it attracts women, it
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  attracts everything and it gets the players wanting to come to
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  the players union and sit down and have a conversation.
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  How do you actually discuss any of this when you go to a strip
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  bar? I mean, except Nathan, because
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  Nathan's the type of guy that would have all his buddies go to
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  a strip bar and have a conversation not just about
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  money, but tits and ass. I mean, Nissan would be the only
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  person I know would go to a strip bar and have a business
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  conversation. I don't think anybody
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  intelligent would actually take a multi billion dollar
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  organization players union to a strip bar to have a business
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  conversation unless you were going for your own hidden
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  agenda. And that's what I think it was.
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  I obviously there's a lot of perverts in the game as we all
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  know, and I'm not going to mention some of these X athletes
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  actually I can name there was a quarterback and a cornerback
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  that was very distinct on going to strip bars every single year
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  in the NFL. And I think if you think back,
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  one of them played for Tennessee and the other one played for the
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  Bengals. A quarterback played for the
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  Bengals and the other one was a quarterback that was a top draft
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  pick with Matt Leinert. So am I throwing you guys a bone
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  here? I think everybody knows who I'm
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  talking about that love to go to strip bars and hang out at strip
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  bars. And I'm sure Jabba at some
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  points before he got married, love to go to strip bars.
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  Athletes love to go there because got a lot of money and
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  they could throw whatever they want to these girls and they're
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  going to give them nice lap dances and pull down their
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  panties and have a little fun with them.
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  To me, if you're going and you're working on a business
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  deal, you're not going to a strip bar.
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  But again, this wasn't about business.
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  This is about satisfication. Satisfication.
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  And the problem right now with the NFL is the NFL thinks
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  they're untouchable. Professional sports think
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  they're untouchable. There's so much money to be had
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  and and nobody really cares about the the players or what
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  the players are getting after the fact after they retire.
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  And that's why the NFL has gotten away with it for many,
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  many years. And then you look at now all the
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  money that's getting thrown in the union and what these players
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  are making now, it's sad because let's go to Joe Montana.
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  Joe Montana played in when the 90's, the the, the late 80s,
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  actually early 80s and into the 90s.
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  How much money was he making, $100,000, 150?
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  K he made more for his video game.
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  I'm just saying they were making no money.
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  Now you have quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks making more
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  money in in a in a four year span and they made their whole
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  career. Just think about how much money
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  is out there with the NFL, with the CBA S and and the television
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  deals and and all the, the different, you know, memorabilia
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  that they're selling, autograph signings, all the different
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  things that these players are making on and off the field.
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  It to me the NFL fell and and I I'm not saying the FBI needs to
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  get involved to authorities need to get involved because if they
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  wanted to get involved, they should have got involved a long,
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  long time ago. Because ladies and gentlemen,
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  this has been going on for 10s of years, I'm talking.
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  About doesn't that make if the FBI gets involved, doesn't it
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  feel like like where there's smoke, there's fire?
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  Of course. There might be more to it.
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  Of course there's going. To be a lot more.
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  To it there's a lot more to this story.
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  It's not just oh, they go to strip bars they're doing other
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  things at the strip bars they're how do we know there's no
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  betting scandal over there at the strip bars?
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  You know, obviously betting is so illegal and players shouldn't
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  be betting on their sports as we've seen this over and over
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  and over again in basketball and what we've seen in baseball over
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  the last couple of years. Now, I do believe the NFL
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  there'll be scandals and we're going to hear many, many
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  scandals. This story is a scandal for one
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  reason. These guys stepped down because
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  they knew that the NFL probably gave them a nice I, I don't
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  know, the players union probably gave them some nice money to
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  step away because yes, severance pay because they don't want them
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  to go out there. They don't want them to speak to
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  the press because if they speak to the press and they throw
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  other guys under the bus, how bad is the NFL going to look?
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  How bad is the players union going to look if some of these
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  big stories? Now, I do believe one of these
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  guys are going to come out in the next couple of years and
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  write a book. Why?
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  Because it's all about Mucho De Niro, it's all about money.
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  And one of these idiots are going to come out and say, you
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  know what, I want to write a book.
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  I'll give you a $10 million, let me write a book about it.
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  And he's going to come out. One of these two idiots are
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  going to come out and give away a lot of different people.
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  A lot of people that were involved with it that you
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  wouldn't even expect was involved with this.
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  You think Roger Goodell didn't go to one of these strip clubs?
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  Come on guys, Roger Goodell is the biggest pervert of them all.
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  I mean, I'm not going to sit here and and try to beat around
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  the Bush. This is the same Roger Goodell
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  that just got an extension. What was it 2 years ago that
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  made a deal with the owner stating that he wanted him and
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  his children and his wife to have a lifetime of insurance,
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  medical insurance. Meanwhile, he won't give former
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  players a lifetime of medical insurance and he made sure that
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  he had his own jet, win or lose, decide to step down or not.
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  He has his own jet to use and his own his own his own
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  occasions to go fly to his family's reunions and stuff like
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  that. The NFL let's this man do
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  whatever he wants as what we we know he did to that CTE doctor
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  when when the story was coming out, how the NFL was trying to
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  brush that under the the rock. How many players have come up or
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  stories coming out that players were diagnosed with CTE grade
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  one, grade two, grade 3. We've had a couple of them on
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  the show and the NFL don't want to speak about it anymore.
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  As a matter of fact, nobody speaks about CTE as much as they
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  did 5-6 years ago. Why?
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  Because the NFL probably paid these guys off to shut their
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  mouths. Yeah.
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  And Bilal Powell was a big one that mentioned to it because he
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  does a lot of the CTE studies to it.
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  And he was saying how the NFL players union as a whole has to
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  get stronger. And I think he was another one
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  that I think was pushing for these types, same types of
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  treatments. And it get looks even worse
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  where you have a former player in JC Treader as well.
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  He was a Center for the Packers and then he played a couple
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  years with the Browns. That's allowing this kind of
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  thing to happen, covering it up and basically stealing money
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  from other players too. Because yeah, you mentioned
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  $3,000,000 is not much for the league, but for somebody's
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  contract, several amount of NFL players contracts, that kind of
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  thing still could hurt them percentage wise.
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  Yes, there are other unions that aren't making a lot of money
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  too, but the percentage factor and the principle that has to go
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  into it, and that's why a lot of these unions have these kinds of
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  protests too. And the NFLPA, we've a lot of
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  our guests have said has to be stronger because of that.
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  But it's hard for them to be stronger when you have all these
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  guys that are covering it up like JC Treader, and then you
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  have another guy and Howell that's essentially.
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  Playing, but what are they covering up?
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  I mean, this story came out. I mean they go to strip bars and
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  they're going to strip clubs and and negotiating deals for the
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  players union. I I mean, what is it that has
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  come out that we have heard so far far in the story that has
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  grown legs? The only thing we know is these
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  guys are stepping down at their positions because they don't
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  want story, some of these stories that come out in the
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  open and. So, well, let me give you the
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  conspiracy theory situation here, Errol.
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  The conspiracy theory says that all of the four stories, and we
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  started with a story on this when there was a collusion thing
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  that got brushed under the rug with Deshaun Watson's guaranteed
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  contract. Now pay attention what's going
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  on with the second round picks right now, How they were all
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  unsigned until recently because they wanted guaranteed money in
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  their deals. Guess what team decided to sign
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  their second round picks to a fully guaranteed deal causing
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  all this? The very same Cleveland Browns.
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  So now we have this situation where we know and it came out
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  through this Pablo Tory podcast that the first thing that came
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  out was that they had a collusion case dead to rights
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  and they just let it go so that they wouldn't have these
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  guaranteed deals. As if the players union
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  president or executive director, whatever his title was, should
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  be doing anything against the players best interest.
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  Of course the players union president should be advocating
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  for as much money in hand as possible.
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  It's unbelievable that he did that, but they weren't saying he
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  did that until now. It's obvious that that's what
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  was going on. So the second part that they
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  covered up was with Treader. Now Treader is was behind the
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  organization committee. They had to come up with who the
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  next executive director was going to be.
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  So when they hired this guy, it used to be a transparent
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  process. They would let everybody know.
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  They made it a backroom deal and nobody was allowed to know why
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  they picked Lloyd Howell Junior. They didn't.
• 21:22
  They didn't disclose the strip club stuff from a decade and
• 21:25
  1/2. And the other company too.
• 21:26
  He's trying to buy ownership stake in a team.
• 21:28
  And on top of that, he resigned today.
• 21:31
  Like in the last hour it came across ESPN from that other
• 21:34
  company that with the team because now all the strip club
• 21:37
  stuff came out. And The thing is he's using
• 21:39
  public funds. That's the money that's supposed
• 21:41
  to go to funding, you know, these players, health insurance
• 21:45
  policies. Sounds like a Brett Farve on his
• 21:47
  own. Sounds like Brett Farve.
• 21:49
  Well, the Brett Farve thing was like Medicaid scam.
• 21:52
  It was like it was different and then and like honestly, the
• 21:55
  government in that state had a lot to do with it being corrupt.
• 21:58
  This was just simply a guy who's gotten away with shit his whole
• 22:01
  life, was enabled and put in this spot by people that are.
• 22:05
  Very. But here.
• 22:05
  But here's the problem. Even the guy from the podcast
• 22:08
  that the story was coming out, he's very well respected around
• 22:11
  the NFL. These guys were actually friends
• 22:14
  with this guy and he comes out. Yeah, he comes out on his
• 22:19
  podcast and froze the this collusion out there and threw
• 22:23
  these guys under the bus. Meanwhile, they're buddies.
• 22:25
  He probably was at those strip bars hanging out with them.
• 22:28
  So now all of a sudden he comes out with the story and now the
• 22:32
  NFL is trying to cover it up, try to find ways to to get these
• 22:36
  guys away from the product in the in the, the, the the
• 22:40
  programming and and now the NFL is.
• 22:43
  But here's the thing. The best part about this story
• 22:45
  is you have preseason right around the corner.
• 22:48
  You have the whole of fame right around the corner.
• 22:50
  So even though this is a story and there's nothing to talk
• 22:53
  about with the NFL camps are opening up right now, it's all
• 22:57
  going to be brushed under the rug.
• 22:58
  The NFL is going to cover this up and nobody's going to talk
• 23:01
  about this again probably until the the season is over or
• 23:06
  there's another story that's going to be connected to this.
• 23:08
  Like you were just saying the Brown story with the Watson and
• 23:11
  then the second round picks and then obviously who was the one
• 23:14
  that got Shudor Sanders? The Cleveland Browns.
• 23:17
  Yeah. I mean, just think about it.
• 23:19
  The Cleveland Browns are connected to so many of the so
• 23:23
  much of the distress of the NFL over the last couple years.
• 23:26
  Everybody makes fun of The Jets and over the years, but I'm just
• 23:29
  saying The Jets, Cincinnati, for years, they could never get over
• 23:33
  the hump. Now they got a quarterback.
• 23:35
  But this is organizations that can't find a way to get out of
• 23:38
  their own way. And now you have the NFL.
• 23:40
  They're a multi billion dollar organization.
• 23:42
  The NFL is right. The season's right around the
• 23:44
  corner. Nobody's going to be talking
• 23:46
  about just like the Otani thing. Do you?
• 23:48
  Do you remember how big of a story that was as soon as the
• 23:51
  FBI got involved with it and brushed it under the rug and
• 23:54
  probably got paid off? Nobody's talking about the Otani
• 23:56
  story and betting on baseball anymore.
• 23:59
  No, nobody even forgot. Everybody forgot about it and
• 24:02
  this is a story again. It's a story.
• 24:05
  There is collusion. Unless there's something that's
• 24:07
  connected to this that could really burn a hole in the
• 24:10
  players union, nobody's even going to be talking about this
• 24:13
  in the next two or three weeks. Yeah, you're also judging the
• 24:16
  outside right influence too with these other companies too, even
• 24:18
  besides just the NFL. And I agree with you.
• 24:19
  I think there's other NFL league executives that probably could
• 24:21
  be like you were talking about with the.
• 24:22
  Gruden, they're paid off. Yeah, these guys.
• 24:24
  I believe it in some combination of it too.
• 24:26
  And like I said, it makes it even worse when it's a player
• 24:29
  doing that because I had problems with Troy Vincent when
• 24:31
  he was the NFLPA president for a while.
• 24:32
  So he did not do a lot of very good things.
• 24:34
  So when they transitioned to Treader, it seemed like there
• 24:35
  was a little bit of some amount of progression, but now you're
• 24:37
  seeing all these guys come out and take shots at him as well.
• 24:39
  But again, it's also these other companies that are being
• 24:41
  factored in. And that's the same thing that
• 24:43
  happened in college football. Although these scandals we've
• 24:45
  talked about too, with the Yam Oliva, with the Vanderbilt
• 24:47
  quarterback, Pavia and all those guys getting all these money
• 24:50
  from these other companies too, like I said, with Deion Sanders
• 24:53
  funneling thumbs from all these different other countries.
• 24:55
  By the way, nobody's talking about that anymore.
• 24:57
  Has anybody brought on that? Deion's brought up that Deion
• 25:00
  Sanders scandal. That was a big scandal.
• 25:03
  Think about how much money he was taking from the Saudi
• 25:06
  Arabian Princess and all these business owners over there.
• 25:10
  And he was using it to draw players to come through the
• 25:13
  portal and pay them off to come to play for his school.
• 25:16
  Just think of about that and nobody's talking about it
• 25:18
  anymore. Nobody.
• 25:20
  Deion Sanders took millions upon millions of dollars and was
• 25:23
  getting away with it, and nobody's talking about it.
• 25:26
  It's Deion Sanders. It's prime.
• 25:28
  Nobody cares anymore. I think it was north of 20
• 25:31
  wasn't. It it was a lot of much a.
• 25:32
  Lot and again, it was going on for a while too, where we get
• 25:35
  other rich guys involved too, especially in a country like
• 25:38
  that, in an area like that that's very rich in the world.
• 25:41
  And same kind of thing with some of the other ones.
• 25:42
  I think the the Pavia 1 was a Italian mob mafia and again,
• 25:48
  there's going to be a lot of connections.
• 25:49
  When you hear unions, you hear mafia say whatever you want.
• 25:53
  The unions are connected to the Mafia.
• 25:55
  It's always been that way since the 1960s.
• 25:58
  So for anybody, it's Jimmy Hoffa.
• 26:00
  Jimmy Hoffa, who, by the way, did you watch?
• 26:02
  The Irishman, by the way, Yes, of course, the three hour and a
• 26:05
  half hour, it was like 4 1/2 it. Was a lose.
• 26:07
  Forever, but it like details that the mobs ties with the
• 26:11
  Teamsters dating back in the 50s and before that.
• 26:14
  And it's one of those great, you know, it's so long, you got to,
• 26:17
  like, really commit. To a movie.
• 26:19
  I love that, it was great. And it's kind of tough, like
• 26:21
  watching De Niro at age 80. D Age No.
• 26:24
  What was tough, what was tough is De Niro's usually the boss or
• 26:27
  he's like the the prime leader. And then it's Joe Pesci.
• 26:31
  Joe Pesci was the leader and he was the the main bad guy.
• 26:35
  And Robert De Niro and yeah, and Robert De Niro was the, the, the
• 26:39
  lonely guy, the, the guy on the outskirts of the mafia.
• 26:42
  It was, it was definitely not something that you would expect
• 26:45
  on a mafia movie. But I, I, I will say this, when
• 26:48
  you hear union, you hear Italian mafia, there's the mafia's
• 26:51
  involved with this and, and, and there's going to be a scandal.
• 26:54
  Not pescios. Pacino.
• 26:56
  Pacino played. Was it?
• 26:57
  Was it Pacino? Was Hoffa.
• 26:59
  Yes, it was Pacino, yes, but I'm talking about I'm talking
• 27:02
  actually, I know it was who was who played from the Hoffa movie
• 27:06
  The the the. He was in it, too.
• 27:08
  Pesci was in it too. Yeah, but who played?
• 27:10
  Pesci had a advisory role. Who would who was?
• 27:13
  Who's the Joker from the Batman? I always the first Batman.
• 27:16
  No, the first Batman the the the first Jack Nicholson.
• 27:19
  Jack Nicholson played Hoffa in the old.
• 27:22
  Hoffa movie, Yes. Yeah.
• 27:24
  Yeah, the original 1. Yes, and he was great in that
• 27:26
  movie, by the way, he was great. And and and again, I when you
• 27:30
  hear mafia, when you hear unions, you know it has
• 27:32
  something to do with the mafia. But again, we don't know the the
• 27:35
  the full end of this story. I don't think we will this year.
• 27:39
  I think as the season moves forward and the season tells,
• 27:43
  tells to the end in the Super Bowl and everything like that, I
• 27:46
  think we're going to hear a lot more in depth on this story.
• 27:50
  I just think the NFL is going to try to cover it up and they can
• 27:52
  now because training, you know, obviously, I guess you call what
• 27:57
  do they call a camp, training camp.
• 27:58
  They have camp that starts and then there's a preseason, a
• 28:01
  couple weeks in the Hall of Fame.
• 28:02
  So nobody's going to be talking about this.
• 28:04
  What I really want to know is when's that?
• 28:06
  When is that list of owners and executives that were on that
• 28:12
  e-mail with John Gruden? That's what I want to know,
• 28:15
  because John Gruden, I, I know it'll never happen.
• 28:17
  Because some of them could be connected to that story too.
• 28:19
  Never. You're absolutely right job.
• 28:21
  It'll never happen because the NFL is all about collusion.
• 28:24
  They're all about, you know, brushing things under the rug as
• 28:27
  the CTE thing was brushed under the rug for many, many years.
• 28:30
  And now they're trying to figure figure out what is going to
• 28:33
  protect these players. Nothing is going to protect
• 28:36
  these guys heads, nothing unless you wear those weird things on
• 28:40
  their helmets, what some of the players are.
• 28:42
  Nothing is going to protect these players from concussions
• 28:45
  and all the different things that they.
• 28:46
  Help some, but you you're still getting get a concussion with a.
• 28:50
  Girl, these rule changes isn't going to help the game.
• 28:53
  It hasn't helped the game. Concussions are still very high.
• 28:56
  So you can't sit here in the NFL and you know what, nobody's
• 28:59
  talking about it. Why?
• 29:00
  Because the NFL is making money. They're making billions and
• 29:02
  billions of dollars. And, and what they're bringing
• 29:05
  this year, I I believe you're going to see the NFL sell their
• 29:07
  first commercial for $10 million.
• 29:10
  Just think about that for a 32nd to minute commercial.
• 29:13
  They're going to make $10 million.
• 29:15
  It it's sickens me how much money the NFL is bringing in.
• 29:18
  And hey, you can't you can't knock an organization that knows
• 29:21
  how to make it. Me and Java can be the
• 29:24
  commissioner of the NFL and bring in that kind of money.
• 29:26
  Why? Because if it's a good product
• 29:28
  and people are watching it and spending all this money and
• 29:30
  betting and betting is becoming legalized everywhere in the
• 29:33
  country, nobody's going to take away from the growth of an
• 29:37
  organization that is always try to build up through the players
• 29:42
  and the players aren't getting anything at the tail end.
• 29:44
  The owners are. And that Lady, ladies and
• 29:46
  gentlemen, is something that the players union need to figure
• 29:49
  out, even though they're making a lot more money and with the TV
• 29:53
  deals, they're bringing in more money.
• 29:54
  And that's why guys like, as we said, TJ Watt is making 42 and a
• 29:58
  half, $1,000,000 to play at the defensive position.
• 30:01
  It still bothers me that these owners are bringing in this kind
• 30:04
  of money and not not willing to protect the former players and
• 30:09
  give them a lifetime of insurance to help these guys
• 30:13
  after they walk away from the sport when they have knee
• 30:15
  injuries, head trauma, problems with their, you know, mental
• 30:19
  issues, right? And all the different things
• 30:21
  that we've heard over the last couple of years.
• 30:23
  Yeah, mental health is something that the new players union
• 30:25
  actually was doing a good job progressing with at the
• 30:27
  beginning of Treader's tenure too.
• 30:29
  But again, and maybe it wasn't even his influence.
• 30:30
  And that even been a lot of other guys too.
• 30:32
  And like you said, how many owners could be involved in
• 30:34
  this? Like you said, they're not going
• 30:35
  to care. They're not going to they're
• 30:36
  going to take in all the money that they can get.
• 30:37
  So, oh, this this player that was a 52nd guy on our roster is
• 30:41
  doing stuff at a strip club, embezzling money essentially.
• 30:43
  They're not going to care. The owners are not going to care
• 30:46
  about that to the same level that they would care about their
• 30:48
  own money. And, you know, Roger Goodell's
• 30:49
  not going to care about that because he's just signed a $55
• 30:51
  million contract, Like he said, lifetime benefits.
• 30:53
  So they're they're going to be more of that.
• 30:54
  Who said there's other more, not other more league executives
• 30:57
  under fire for this kind of thing, too?
• 30:59
  And like I said, it's just hard for the players union to have
• 31:02
  that kind of thing where you have somebody in Lloyd Howell
• 31:03
  that's playing both sides and trying to get money for himself
• 31:06
  so. You, you don't want that.
• 31:08
  Like I I had it bad enough as a teacher in in New York and New
• 31:12
  Jersey. Florida doesn't even have union.
• 31:15
  It's like a fake like Fugazi union that they have there and
• 31:18
  you don't get any support from the union.
• 31:20
  They tell you they're going to give you support.
• 31:21
  If the school wants to fire you, they're going to fire you.
• 31:24
  And if the team wants to get rid of you, they're going to get rid
• 31:26
  of you in these sports as well. It's just how the world world
• 31:28
  is. It's not any different.
• 31:29
  What does a union get you? A union can get you more money.
• 31:32
  A union can get you better benefits.
• 31:35
  A union can help you with things like mental health, like you
• 31:37
  were saying, speedy that they started doing more recently in
• 31:41
  the more recent years. And if you because like it's all
• 31:45
  about the players. If the players don't care,
• 31:48
  they're stupid is basically what some of these these guys were
• 31:51
  saying in the media, and they should care because this comes
• 31:54
  out of your check. Everybody knows if you belong to
• 31:56
  a union, when you look at your pay stub, that money that they
• 31:59
  take out, there's a code that that money's for the union and
• 32:02
  everyone looks at their pay stub.
• 32:04
  As far as I know, maybe not Shohei Otani because he lost $17
• 32:07
  million and didn't know anything about it.
• 32:09
  More than that, more than that that we know about publicly, but
• 32:14
  it's that you, you should know if you're giving that money, do
• 32:17
  you really want the guy in charge to be working against
• 32:20
  you? I mean, I, I would be livid if I
• 32:23
  was a player, especially if I was a player making league
• 32:26
  minimum, right? Or like maybe I, I was, I got a
• 32:29
  rookie contract. I was a mid round pick.
• 32:31
  Now I'm sticking around. I get another smaller deal.
• 32:34
  I don't have a ton of money. I might not make it to that
• 32:37
  threshold where I get the the retirement benefits.
• 32:39
  I really want someone to fight for me.
• 32:41
  I would be really, really mad if.
• 32:44
  Yeah, but again, you, you have all these guys in.
• 32:47
  And again, Treader was a guy that, you know, spoke for the
• 32:50
  players, but the players speak for the players as much as he's
• 32:53
  the last guy to go through. They these guys to me, they're
• 32:56
  puppets. That's what they are.
• 32:57
  You pull the string. Hey, you, you want to be In
• 32:59
  Sync? You want to, you know, buy, buy,
• 33:00
  buy that that song. And they like little little tea
• 33:04
  body freaking puppets. Marinettes.
• 33:05
  Yeah, there you are, right there.
• 33:07
  As you. The choppa knows more than I do.
• 33:09
  The fact is, they're puppets. They're the players.
• 33:12
  Puppets. We they have list of guys that
• 33:15
  going a round table and they talk to this one guy.
• 33:17
  So this guys making millions and millions of guys, millions of
• 33:20
  millions of dollars sitting there with a bunch of players
• 33:23
  and making decisions for the players.
• 33:24
  To me, it it smells. If it smells like crap and it
• 33:28
  looks like crap, it's crap. And that's what the NFL is
• 33:32
  trying to sell to the fan. And the fact is the fan doesn't
• 33:35
  care. You know why?
• 33:36
  Because all they care about is their fantasy team.
• 33:38
  They care about what are they betting?
• 33:40
  When's the season starting? Are you adding an 18th game?
• 33:43
  And players don't want to add an 18th game because in their eyes,
• 33:46
  yeah, all right, there's more money that could be, you know,
• 33:49
  spread out for the wealthy, especially the players.
• 33:52
  But here's the problem. More chances for injury and
• 33:55
  seizing ending injury or maybe career ending injuries because
• 33:58
  these guys are going like a hotcakes as we see these
• 34:02
  Achilles tears, these hamstring situations that these players
• 34:05
  are getting because they're playing on turf.
• 34:07
  If the NFL, Pennsylvania or in the NFL players actually care
• 34:10
  about what's going on instead of this conclusion collusion, what
• 34:14
  they should be looking at is the football fields.
• 34:16
  Is there not too many collusional things that is
• 34:19
  happening out there right now in a football field?
• 34:22
  Just think about it. There's two NFL football fields
• 34:24
  that is grass and the rest is turf.
• 34:26
  How many injuries do we see strategically?
• 34:29
  Every single year, bad entries to quarterbacks and everybody's
• 34:32
  talking about, well, you got to find a good backup quarterback.
• 34:35
  How many quality backup quarterbacks are there in the
• 34:38
  NFL? 4/3 at best.
• 34:41
  So if you don't have one of them, your season is over.
• 34:43
  The NFL needs to figure out, hey, if you're going to waste
• 34:46
  money on plant paying idiots like Treador $3,000,000 a year,
• 34:50
  well then why don't you go and pay for a nice football field
• 34:54
  which is grass, which will maybe cost you 10 or $11 million.
• 34:57
  What is that $7,000,000 more where it could protect your
• 35:01
  players and put your players in better positions to succeed for
• 35:04
  the season instead of going out and still have to paying them
• 35:07
  through insurance policies? Yeah, maintenance.
• 35:09
  Well, yeah, I mean, it's I just wanted, I just wanted to say one
• 35:13
  thing touching on that before I forget.
• 35:15
  I would like to know if what the the players union, because I
• 35:19
  know that like ours, we have a representative from every team
• 35:24
  that goes and speaks your mind and everybody's allowed to go.
• 35:28
  There's there's just one Rep that basically submits and has
• 35:32
  to be on the calls and which I love and I was a part of it my
• 35:35
  entire career. So you kind of have an idea of
• 35:38
  what's going on, not just one player that has to get it to the
• 35:40
  whole league. I would be interested to find
• 35:43
  out if they do have a player Rep for each team and do they
• 35:49
  necessarily not required, but when there's a call, do they
• 35:54
  jump on the call, whether it's a zoom, a FaceTime, you know,
• 35:57
  whatever and get this knowledge out so that they can build.
• 36:01
  I mean, it was I was very interested in having an ex
• 36:05
  player be our union lead and it's obviously turned out great.
• 36:09
  And it's just it's tough when you see, you know, players, you
• 36:13
  know, being take advantage of in certain ways when they're in
• 36:16
  that position, but then also the players that are still playing
• 36:20
  and the guys that are battling. And yet you're getting all these
• 36:23
  execs in front of his people, lifetime deals for everything.
• 36:27
  So I would that that would be interesting to find out to see
• 36:30
  if they do. That so they do.
• 36:31
  So Java they do. Each team has an NFL player
• 36:33
  representative and at least one Co alternate player
• 36:36
  representative every two years is electric.
• 36:38
  Kind of they're saying that. Team anyways, let's go to our
• 36:41
  next segment sounded out they roll here.
• 36:44
  Jay quelling, Jay quelling that. No Jay quelling here.
• 36:46
  Do you mean Jacqueline? Let's sound it out.
• 36:49
  What you call me? Sound it out out.
• 36:54
  All right, guys, welcome to Sound it Out.
• 36:59
  Phonics, shmonics. Errol's got it.
• 37:02
  I. Don't know about that, but let's
• 37:03
  go. Let's get it going, Errol.
• 37:05
  As always, we have some names here.
• 37:09
  It's NFL day, big NFL day. We got a few NFL names.
• 37:14
  The first one is a brother of one of the best players in the
• 37:18
  NFL. Here we go.
• 37:22
  Sound it out. Equanimous St.
• 37:26
  Brown. No, it was a good try.
• 37:31
  It was close, Equanimous. Equanimous.
• 37:36
  Where did they get these names Man who gives them my name is?
• 37:39
  Father, as you know, was a Mr. Olympia, if you remember, from
• 37:42
  the receiver documentary, and he was featured on it.
• 37:46
  Equanimous St. Brown.
• 37:47
  Oh, for one, Errol, let's see if we can't get the next one.
• 37:50
  Let's sound it out. No.
• 37:54
  Champ. Affectionately known as Albert
• 37:57
  O. Albert Oku Bonum Oku Bonum Oku
• 38:06
  Bottom Where did you get these names?
• 38:11
  From the NFL, this guy was the back of Titan for the Broncos
• 38:14
  for a few years. It's Oku Okui Boonum.
• 38:19
  Albert Okui Boonum. Thank God I don't have to
• 38:23
  pronounce his name. Oh well.
• 38:26
  Oh for two arrow. One more though, you may get it.
• 38:29
  Get us up to 333 All Star type level numbers.
• 38:33
  Last one sounded. Oh AD tomiwa aid aid.
• 38:43
  Bawa man, you actually got it wrong again.
• 38:51
  But the first name was right. You actually got the first name
• 38:55
  completely right. Really tough one right there.
• 38:59
  Errol Addy. Tomiwa Addy.
• 39:02
  Barry, I'm lost with these names.
• 39:05
  I bet you Matt O'Leary couldn't add.
• 39:08
  I probably couldn't sound those names out either.
• 39:10
  I I mean, I guarantee you Matt couldn't sound those out.
• 39:13
  I'm just saying all. Right, you know what that would
• 39:16
  be fun? If you have 1 fish, let him just
• 39:19
  try one. Yeah, maybe we will.
• 39:20
  Maybe we will. He does.
• 39:22
  He does announce names, so he has to, he has to get him.
• 39:24
  He might have. I bet you he won't.
• 39:26
  I bet you he doesn't get one right.
• 39:28
  Let's bring Matt O'Leary in. Matt.
• 39:29
  What's up, buddy? Hey guys, thank you so much for
• 39:32
  having me tonight. Absolutely.
• 39:33
  Well, thank you for coming on, as always.
• 39:35
  I, we, we love when you come on. And if you guys don't know who
• 39:37
  Matt O'Leary is, well, then you guys are idiots.
• 39:40
  I'm just kidding. He is the host of Jets Pod and
• 39:45
  talking Jets. He also does an Islander show,
• 39:47
  sensational if you're an Islander fan, which will talk
• 39:50
  some Islander hockey, The big news and a lot of good moves for
• 39:53
  the New York Islanders. I think the Islanders are
• 39:55
  sitting pretty for the next three years.
• 39:57
  I give the Islanders 3 or 4 years and the Islanders are
• 39:59
  going to be cup contenders. They added some young superstars
• 40:02
  in this year S draft. I love what I love what Matthew
• 40:06
  did. In in the draft and I'm I'm
• 40:08
  interested to see what they do in the next two seasons and if
• 40:11
  they land one of those big free agents next year.
• 40:14
  And we all know who they are. There's one of them is kind of
• 40:16
  McDavid that I think he's staying with the Edmonton
• 40:19
  Oilers. But a lot of Ranger fans, quote
• 40:21
  UN quote, think that there's a possibility.
• 40:23
  I think they're on drugs, but there's somebody in Minnesota
• 40:25
  that the Islanders are gunning for and I hope there's a
• 40:30
  possibility for that. But Matt, I want to give you I I
• 40:33
  we have a segment called sounded out.
• 40:35
  I cannot pronounce certain names in professional sports, and I'm
• 40:40
  sure a lot of other people can't, so we're going to give
• 40:42
  you one or two names. Let me see if you can sound it
• 40:46
  out. Are you ready?
• 40:47
  Yeah, let's do it all. Right here we go.
• 40:49
  Let's get some music. Let's.
• 40:50
  Get you want the music on? Let's get the music for Matt.
• 40:52
  Here it is. Matt Harold just went over 3 on
• 40:56
  this list. I think anybody would go over 3
• 40:59
  on. Sound it out.
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  Equanimous St. Brown.
• 41:04
  Yeah, that's pretty good. We're going to give him credit
• 41:06
  for. That Hey, wait a second.
• 41:06
  What is it? Equanimity is Saint Brown.
• 41:09
  All right, I'll give him Brown. I'll give him credit.
• 41:11
  All right, give him another. One next one music Back on.
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  Here you go, Matt Sound. It out.
• 41:20
  Albert aquake unam. Aquake unam.
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  All right, so this one is Okui Boonam.
• 41:31
  This guy is a Colts D lineman. Sounded out at a Tomila.
• 41:37
  Oh God. At A at a bewar egg.
• 41:41
  Oh, oh, I give it to all right. It is Eddie Tomiwa.
• 41:47
  Eddie Barre not. Not far, not not pretty.
• 41:50
  Close, not pretty close. I think that's I think that's a
• 41:52
  1 1/2 out of 3. He's better.
• 41:54
  He was better than me at that, that's for sure.
• 41:57
  He's definitely better at sounding names out.
• 41:59
  All right. I'm not I I'm the horrible, I'm
• 42:02
  a horrible person. And hockey names are even worse.
• 42:05
  So if you put a hockey name up there, I can absolutely butcher
• 42:09
  a hockey name. But Matt, there's a lot to get
• 42:12
  into with the New York Jets. The Jets made some interesting
• 42:15
  moves in the offseason and one of the big moves that just
• 42:18
  happened over the last four, I would say the last week was the
• 42:22
  signings of Garrett Wilson and Sauce Garner.
• 42:26
  There was a lot of questions with the Garrett Wilson 1.
• 42:29
  Garrett Wilson is paying. He's getting top five money.
• 42:32
  I I don't think he's a top five wide receiver.
• 42:35
  We have not seen top five acrobatic, you know, wide
• 42:40
  receiving plays from this guy. He made one last year, which was
• 42:43
  incredible. But he not, he's been in the
• 42:46
  league for over three years. He hasn't had one season with 10
• 42:49
  touchdowns and he has broken 1000 yards in all three seasons.
• 42:53
  But just inches not make you're not breaking 1000 yards.
• 42:57
  I I think they overpaid for him, but sauce Gardeners very well
• 43:01
  deserved even though last year was an off year for him.
• 43:04
  Your thoughts to both signings? And why do you think The Jets
• 43:08
  gave Garrett Wilson that kind of money?
• 43:11
  Yeah. So for Garrett, I hear what
• 43:12
  you're saying, right. I think some of that contract is
• 43:15
  a little projection based. But when you look at where the
• 43:19
  wide receiver market is right now and you see like top guys
• 43:22
  like Justin Jefferson getting close to $40 million a year, I
• 43:27
  think they actually got okay value for Garrett when you
• 43:30
  especially when you consider DK Metcalf got I think 33, so a
• 43:33
  little bit higher too. And I think Garrett a better
• 43:36
  receiver than what DK is. But, you know, 32 1/2, the caps
• 43:40
  going up every year and, you know, unfortunately, with just
• 43:43
  how the contract structures go, you know, just because he was
• 43:47
  the next man up, he's going to be the one who's going to get,
• 43:50
  you know, a lot of money. And, you know, Drake London, who
• 43:53
  was in that same draft class, hasn't gotten paid yet.
• 43:55
  I'm sure he's going to beat the 32 1/2 or whatever it was for
• 43:58
  Garrett Wilson. So timing is really important
• 44:01
  with these ones. And you're right with Sauce, you
• 44:04
  know, he gets paid, you know, highest paid corner in the NFL,
• 44:07
  just 30.1 million, a little bit more than Derek Stingley got.
• 44:11
  I get it. He was coming off a little bit
• 44:12
  of a down year for his standard last year.
• 44:15
  But to me you can't ignore the two all Pro seasons that he had
• 44:18
  in his first two years. So I'm all good with both of
• 44:21
  these contracts and I think you want to have those two guys as
• 44:25
  your building block pieces going forward over the next few years.
• 44:28
  Yeah. I wanted to mention Sauce
• 44:29
  because I've always brought up the fact that I think a lot of
• 44:31
  his, even though he had a down year for his standards, I think
• 44:33
  a lot of it was lack of effort. I know, but people were
• 44:36
  questioning his tackling throughout the year.
• 44:37
  And I think still his advanced metrics were still, a lot of
• 44:40
  them are still very good where he was still kind of a top ten,
• 44:42
  top 15 corner even with those circumstances.
• 44:45
  Do you think that was the biggest reason or is there
• 44:46
  something else? Yeah, I, I look at it that way
• 44:50
  too. The tackling to me was the
• 44:52
  biggest concern with him. He had, if you look at his stats
• 44:55
  last year, it was really only one not so great game against
• 44:58
  Tennessee. I think he gave up like 97 yards
• 45:00
  and a touchdown in that one. But other than that, he pretty
• 45:03
  much was locked down in coverage.
• 45:06
  I know a lot of people want to see him turn, you know, create
• 45:08
  more turnovers, and I think that's probably the next step in
• 45:11
  his development and hopefully something that, you know, his
• 45:14
  head coach, former cornerback Aaron Glenn, can help him with,
• 45:17
  you know, improving and creating more turnovers.
• 45:19
  But I agree, I think even, you know, to his standard, he
• 45:22
  wasn't, you know, a top three guy, but he was still a top ten
• 45:24
  corner. And, you know, you have two
• 45:26
  first team all pro seasons, you're going to get paid as the
• 45:28
  top guy. So I think you're on the money
• 45:31
  with that one. Matt, what do you think how
• 45:33
  important this year is for Jermaine Johnson?
• 45:35
  Obviously we've seen the money they've given on that side of
• 45:37
  the ball. Do you think like this is a make
• 45:40
  or break year because they picked up the extra series
• 45:42
  contracts through 26, but do you think for the extension like
• 45:46
  that, how big and important obviously the numbers that
• 45:48
  they've they've spent on that side of the ball?
• 45:50
  Yeah, it's going to be a huge year for him, especially coming
• 45:53
  off the Achilles injury. I think you just you want to see
• 45:56
  where he's at in the recovery. He's going to start on the PUP
• 45:59
  list, which not all that surprised with if they're going
• 46:02
  to take it slow with him. He seems, you know, on social
• 46:05
  media he's putting out videos of him training and he says he's
• 46:07
  ready to go. But, you know, I would expect
• 46:10
  them to take it easy with him at the beginning of the year just
• 46:14
  because that's such a devastating injury, especially
• 46:16
  for a defensive lineman where using so much torque to get off
• 46:19
  the line of scrimmage and, you know, beat the snap count.
• 46:21
  So it might take him a few weeks, but it is a huge year for
• 46:25
  him because, you know, it's year 4.
• 46:27
  He'd be going into next year, year five of the rookie deal,
• 46:30
  the last year of his rookie contract.
• 46:32
  So if he has a Goodyear, I do think he would be someone that
• 46:35
  they look to extend, but it's going to be really depended on
• 46:39
  the health and how you know he comes back from this injury.
• 46:42
  We are talking to the host of Just Jets Pod and talking Jets
• 46:47
  Show. Matt O'leary's been on a show.
• 46:49
  He's a big Jets guy, he's a Big Islander guy.
• 46:51
  And we're talking Jets football right now.
• 46:54
  And Aaron Glenn to me was an important signing for the New
• 46:57
  York Jets. And The Jets over the years
• 47:00
  they've reached when it came to coaching.
• 47:02
  And I'll say this, Robert Sala was not a Jet.
• 47:05
  Rex Ryan's father obviously was a coach for the New York Jets,
• 47:08
  but he wasn't a Jet. Todd Bowles was a Washington
• 47:12
  commander. We could go on and on.
• 47:14
  And The Jets coaches over the years, they were not Jets.
• 47:16
  Facts are facts. This guy was drafted by The
• 47:20
  Jets. This guy was a pro ball player
• 47:22
  for The Jets. In four years, he was one of the
• 47:23
  top five corners in all the football.
• 47:26
  The last Jets. And we we talked about it the
• 47:29
  the three Jets that you think about over the years that The
• 47:32
  Jets have drafted, obviously Darrelle Revis.
• 47:35
  Now you have source Garner and Aaron Glenn.
• 47:38
  Now he is the head coach. They should have hired him,
• 47:40
  hired him when when he was getting interviewed.
• 47:43
  When Robert Sala got hired, they went the Robert Sala route
• 47:46
  because of what he did with the 49ers.
• 47:47
  It was a bad move as Bambi was a deer in the headlights as we
• 47:51
  speak about he's back with San Francisco.
• 47:53
  What kind of coach do you believe Aaron Glenn is going to
• 47:57
  be with the New York Jets? What does he bring to the table,
• 48:00
  which other coaches haven't done over the years?
• 48:04
  To me, the first word that I think of with Aaron Glenn is
• 48:07
  intensity. I just think, you know, anytime
• 48:08
  you hear him talk and you get those behind the scenes, you
• 48:12
  know, looks at how he's talking with the team, he comes across
• 48:15
  as very intense. And you know, I would still
• 48:17
  categorize him as a player's coach and Robert Sala was as
• 48:20
  well. But Robert Sala wanted to be
• 48:22
  everyone's buddy. And I don't think that's really
• 48:24
  the approach that Aaron Glenn's going to take here.
• 48:26
  What I like about him is something that you mentioned,
• 48:28
  right? This is a guy who was drafted by
• 48:29
  The Jets, played here and he was a part of The Jets, one of The
• 48:33
  Jets biggest turnarounds in their franchise history, right?
• 48:35
  Like they go from a bottom feeder team with Rich Coatside
• 48:39
  as their head coach, Bill Parcells gets hired and they go
• 48:42
  on a run, you know, in 98. And that kind of set the
• 48:45
  foundation for the success in the early 2000s.
• 48:48
  And, you know, he was there when they were at their bottom and he
• 48:51
  was able to see it get better progressively year over year
• 48:54
  until they finally make that AFC championship game in 98.
• 48:57
  So with the experience that he had, one under Bill Parcells,
• 49:01
  but two then as a player here with The Jets, I think he knows
• 49:05
  what it takes to win in New York, which is really important.
• 49:08
  I don't. I don't know if Robert Sala or
• 49:10
  Todd Bowles or Adam Gase really knew what they were getting into
• 49:13
  when coming here, but you certainly don't have those
• 49:16
  concerns with a guy like Aaron Glenn.
• 49:18
  So what are your what was your thought with a lot of the draft
• 49:20
  picks? A lot of people were saying that
• 49:21
  they made a mistake passing on Tyler Warren.
• 49:23
  They draft Armand Membu, who I think is a really good counter
• 49:26
  to Fashanu. Like I think they're two very
• 49:27
  opposite styles, but they make it work.
• 49:29
  Mason Taylor, the second round pick, I was a big fan of Malachi
• 49:32
  more the safety they got in the fourth round.
• 49:34
  Like what were your thoughts with some of the values they got
• 49:36
  in this draft? Yeah, I really liked the
• 49:39
  approach they took early on, right.
• 49:40
  Like there was a debate and it was a fair side if you wanted
• 49:44
  them to take Tyler Warren because head end was such a
• 49:46
  position of of need for this team.
• 49:49
  But you know, finishing the offensive line with Armand
• 49:51
  Membu, it makes sense, right? Like this is a team that wants
• 49:54
  to be, you know, a run heavy dominant, you know, intense
• 49:58
  football team. And Armand Membu is like that's
• 50:01
  all the qualities that he has. He's going to be a dominant
• 50:03
  force in the run game. That's really his strength.
• 50:06
  And then you get Mason Taylor in the second round to, you know, I
• 50:09
  really like the receiving production that he had at at LSU
• 50:12
  and another one with NFL lineage, right.
• 50:15
  His dad, Jason Taylor, had a long NFL career.
• 50:18
  So as long as they came away, in my opinion, with a with a right
• 50:22
  tackle and tight end in the first two rounds, I was going to
• 50:25
  be happy with it. They went offensive tackle first
• 50:27
  and then tight end. I think, you know, Taylor in the
• 50:29
  second round was good value. And you mentioned more on day
• 50:33
  three. I think that was my favorite
• 50:34
  pick on day three. Some of the other picks I
• 50:37
  thought were, you know, a little bit of a head scratcher like
• 50:39
  Arian Smith, the wide receiver goes, you know, a few rounds
• 50:42
  earlier than I think anyone was expecting him to go.
• 50:45
  And then they take the two guys from Miami at the end of the
• 50:48
  draft. But you know Malachi Moore,
• 50:49
  especially at strong safety, he's going to compete for a
• 50:52
  starting job in training camp. Yeah.
• 50:54
  So we got training camp. I'm glad you brought that up a
• 50:56
  nice Segway. What do you think the goal of
• 50:59
  this training camp, obviously with Aaron again at the head and
• 51:02
  you know, bringing these guys? What do you think the goal is
• 51:05
  for something like this with the kind of creating a nucleus with
• 51:09
  a head coach and and certain things like that?
• 51:12
  Because I I get it's not a long time, but there's value to it
• 51:15
  and getting know each other and what is expected.
• 51:17
  So what do you, what do you think one of their things or
• 51:19
  multiple things that they're going to focus on in this camp?
• 51:23
  Yeah, I think, you know, especially when it's a new
• 51:25
  coaching staff like you, you mentioned and they have a new
• 51:27
  quarterback this year with Justin Fields coming in.
• 51:30
  So the biggest thing that I'll be looking for in training camp
• 51:33
  is you know how the installation of the offense is going.
• 51:36
  We know with the defense there's a lot of talent on that side of
• 51:39
  the ball. Aaron Glenn's a defensive minded
• 51:41
  head coach. Steve Wilkes, veteran defensive
• 51:44
  coordinator, I'm not as concerned on that side.
• 51:47
  But you know, Justin Fields, he has to a lot to prove this year.
• 51:50
  This is probably his last chance to prove that he could be a
• 51:53
  starter in the NFL. And you have a first time
• 51:55
  offensive coordinator in Tanner Angstrand.
• 51:57
  So the thing I'll be keeping my eye on is just how well it seems
• 52:01
  like the offense is adapting. Because anytime you're
• 52:04
  installing a new offense, that's hard enough, but when you insert
• 52:07
  a new quarterback into the fold to who has to build chemistry
• 52:10
  with these receivers here, that that takes a little bit of time.
• 52:14
  He was never coached very well in Chicago.
• 52:16
  He was never coached very well in Pittsburgh.
• 52:19
  I'm no offense to Mike Tomlin. He doesn't know how to develop
• 52:21
  quarterbacks. Let's be honest.
• 52:23
  He had Kenny Pickett there. Did he develop him?
• 52:24
  No, he didn't even he didn't develop Ben Roethlisberger.
• 52:28
  So he had a great quarterback at Ben.
• 52:30
  He did win a championship with Ben, good for him.
• 52:33
  But the guy has never gotten over the hump with the
• 52:35
  quarterbacks. As a matter of fact, eight years
• 52:37
  in a row getting knocked out in the first round.
• 52:39
  So we all know what the Pittsburgh Steelers are.
• 52:42
  The, the, I think Justin Fields has been really thrown to the
• 52:45
  the wolves over the last couple of years, not getting a chance
• 52:49
  that Chicago Chicago Bears are an organization that added some
• 52:52
  pieces. They added more over there.
• 52:54
  But he never stayed healthy and never gave him a good offensive
• 52:58
  line. The offensive line was
• 52:59
  absolutely garbage. So Justin Fields is, is a
• 53:02
  running quarterback and he really wasn't coached right to,
• 53:06
  to. We seen Lamar Jackson.
• 53:07
  Look what look at the Lamar Jackson we've seen over the
• 53:10
  years really developed up into a pass happy quarterback when he
• 53:13
  came into the league from Louisville, what was he was a
• 53:16
  running quarterback that can throw, has a gun for an arm, but
• 53:19
  couldn't complete passes. Now look at him.
• 53:21
  He's one of the best passers in the league.
• 53:22
  If if Justin Fields is put on a on on the right roster with the
• 53:27
  right coach, I think he could develop.
• 53:29
  And by the way, Aaron Glenn, I heard before and I knew Aaron
• 53:32
  Glenn was going to get hired because there were stories
• 53:34
  coming out that Aaron Glenn, when he went in his first
• 53:36
  interview, they asked him where would you go for quarterback?
• 53:40
  And he said the first move I would, I would have, this is
• 53:43
  what I've heard from an inside source.
• 53:45
  If I were to make a move, I want Justin Fields.
• 53:48
  I played, I played against Justin Fields.
• 53:50
  I think he would be a good fit over here the way we want to run
• 53:52
  the ball. And what did The Jets do once,
• 53:55
  once the free agency market opened up and I called it the
• 53:58
  first move they were going to make was bring in Justin Fields.
• 54:01
  So I expected that the guy that I want to talk to talk to you
• 54:04
  about was Will McDonald. Will McDonald had a sensational
• 54:08
  year taking over for Jermaine John, Jermaine Johnson, who went
• 54:12
  down your thoughts to what this guy could because a lot of
• 54:15
  people took shots at the the thought of bringing him in,
• 54:20
  drafting him as the 15th pick in the first round.
• 54:22
  Some people thought he was a second round, early second round
• 54:25
  to Alan. What do you think Will McDonald
• 54:27
  could be as a stretch defensive end in this league?
• 54:31
  I think he's immensely talented and we saw it last year as the
• 54:34
  pass rusher. What excites me about him this
• 54:37
  year is he finally put on a little bit more weight.
• 54:41
  I think he added 15 lbs in the offseason, which he could use it
• 54:45
  1 and I don't think he's going to lose the speed off the edge.
• 54:48
  That's his calling card, but he wasn't very good against the
• 54:50
  run. That was part of the reason why
• 54:52
  he wasn't on the field as much earlier in his career.
• 54:55
  But the added weight should help him shutting blocks and being a
• 54:59
  little bit more of a factor in the run game.
• 55:00
  So honestly, you know, entering his third year in the league,
• 55:04
  this could be someone who's becoming a more complete edge
• 55:07
  player, which again is important.
• 55:09
  It's nice to have someone who can give you 10 plus sacks.
• 55:11
  But if they're a liability in the run, are they going to be
• 55:15
  playing on early downs? Probably not as much.
• 55:17
  So I would expect to snap count to increase a lot this year and
• 55:22
  I'm very confident in him taking another step in his development.
• 55:26
  So more sacks, better against the run, and just a better
• 55:29
  overall player in year 3. So this offense is now coming
• 55:32
  into this kind of Lions mold offense and Aaron Glenn
• 55:34
  mentioned he wanted Justin Fields.
• 55:35
  He's played against him, actually played very well
• 55:37
  against the Lions defense a lot of the time.
• 55:39
  And obviously Breece Hall has been a feature running back at
• 55:41
  certain points, but the Lions always did the running back by
• 55:44
  committee with Montgomery and Gibbs and making that kind of
• 55:46
  thing work. Braylon Allen, second round or
• 55:47
  third round pick last year, Like do you expect that kind of
• 55:50
  approach offense to be similar to the Lions or do you think
• 55:53
  it'll be kind of their own niche still?
• 55:55
  Yeah, I do think it's going to be similar.
• 55:57
  You mentioned the two backs in Gibbs in Montgomery.
• 56:00
  I think The Jets are going to try to use Breece Hall and
• 56:02
  Braylon Allen as their own version of that duo, especially
• 56:06
  when they get down by the goal line.
• 56:08
  I would I would think that Braylon Allen as the bigger back
• 56:10
  is going to come in in the short yardage situations.
• 56:13
  And, you know, I thought earlier on in the season he looked good
• 56:17
  and there were points where it looked like he was taking a step
• 56:19
  forward and then kind of got a little bit quiet in the
• 56:21
  second-half of the year. You know, I know Breece probably
• 56:23
  didn't have the season that he wanted to last year.
• 56:27
  I really think a big reason for that was the offensive scheme
• 56:30
  just in general wasn't very good.
• 56:32
  And you know, the offensive line coach, Keith Carter, and how
• 56:35
  they schemed up the run game, I look at it as a really big
• 56:37
  weakness. And, you know, they're no longer
• 56:39
  here. It's a new offensive staff.
• 56:41
  And, you know, I'm still holding on to my Breece Hall stock.
• 56:43
  I know he's going to last year of his deal.
• 56:45
  We'll see if they extend them or what they want to do there, but
• 56:48
  I I think you could have a big season in this offense.
• 56:51
  Yeah, I'm glad you brought Hall up because and, and as we talked
• 56:54
  about Jermaine Johnson earlier, when, when you're getting into
• 56:58
  like, you know, different offenses and especially in the
• 57:03
  last year of your contract, do you feel like it's they put more
• 57:06
  pressure to to perform or to like, hey, what can I do to help
• 57:11
  this team win? Because you're going to run a
• 57:12
  double back set at some point. And especially going into your
• 57:15
  last, your last contract year, basically.
• 57:18
  I mean, that's tough to do any time because you do put pressure
• 57:21
  on yourself. But do you think it makes it a
• 57:23
  little harder going into it and trying to learn a new offense?
• 57:27
  Yeah, I would say that it definitely does because that's
• 57:29
  just, you know, an added extra factor weighing on his mind,
• 57:33
  right? Like there's no guarantee for
• 57:35
  him. And injuries have unfortunately
• 57:37
  been, you know, a part of his career through the first few
• 57:40
  years of his career, he's been very banged up.
• 57:42
  So, you know, there's nothing guaranteed.
• 57:44
  He needs to have a big season in order to cash in on that payday.
• 57:47
  But, you know, also, and then you had on top of that, too,
• 57:49
  like you said, he's learning a new offense, which, you know,
• 57:52
  isn't easy. But as I was saying with, you
• 57:55
  know, the, the new scheme that they're implementing, I, I think
• 57:58
  they're going to get back to running more of a wide zone
• 58:01
  rushing attack, which kind of fits his skill set more so than
• 58:04
  just running up up the middle inside zone all day.
• 58:07
  I don't think was really, you know, the the best way to get
• 58:10
  the most out of him and +2. I think he'll be used more as a
• 58:14
  pass catcher, which he he showed signs last year that he could do
• 58:18
  that very well. So yeah, I do, you know, to
• 58:21
  answer your question, I do absolutely think that, you know,
• 58:23
  the, the contract is something that could be weighing on him
• 58:26
  and it does add, you know, edit pressure.
• 58:28
  I want to get into the New York Islanders.
• 58:29
  They had a sensational offseason.
• 58:31
  Their draft was what First of all, I love what the NFL, I'm
• 58:36
  sorry, the NHL did. Having the draft on television,
• 58:38
  actually watching the balls fall to the New York Islanders, how
• 58:41
  it felt. I actually watched your podcast
• 58:45
  after it all happened and I saw how excited you were and I saw
• 58:48
  that you wanted Higgins or Mesa. I was, I was looking at that
• 58:53
  too. But Schaefer is just that kind
• 58:55
  of talent. I I even made a bet with
• 58:56
  somebody to take him to dinner because I just didn't think that
• 58:59
  the Islanders were going to go with Schaefer.
• 59:01
  And I was reading stories about how he interviewed at the the
• 59:04
  combine and, and how much they love this kid, what he did, you
• 59:08
  know, the back end of his mother passing away and as a young man,
• 59:13
  how he's growing so fast. He's 1718 years old.
• 59:16
  And they say he's he's like a 2627 year old.
• 59:19
  This guy could be the future captain of the the New York
• 59:22
  Islanders. And then making that trade,
• 59:24
  trading one of their young defenseman.
• 59:26
  And Noah Dobson, I was at his draft.
• 59:28
  I interviewed him when he was drafted where everybody thought
• 59:31
  he was the future, future for their defense.
• 59:32
  He's one of the better offensive defenseman in the league.
• 59:35
  As soon as they went with Schaefer, I knew they were going
• 59:37
  to move from no adoption because they didn't want to pay him nine
• 59:40
  and a half million dollars. And then there were stories
• 59:42
  coming out. I I heard a story that at 4:00
• 59:45
  with Utah sitting there, the Islanders reached out to Utah
• 59:48
  because they wanted to trade up after trading no adoption.
• 59:52
  They had, they were sitting at I think 16 and 17.
• 59:54
  They wanted to move those picks and move somebody else to move
• 59:59
  up to four to get James Hagan and the Utah wanted Barzell.
• 1:00:04
  There was no way they were training Barzell.
• 1:00:06
  That was the story. They were not doing that.
• 1:00:09
  Your thoughts to the Islanders draft?
• 1:00:11
  Especially in the first round where I think slam dunk the
• 1:00:14
  first round and they added another defenseman at #17 who a
• 1:00:17
  lot of people think is the steal of the draft.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah, I really loved the approach that they took.
• 1:00:24
  And you're right, you know what, my initial reaction, I thought,
• 1:00:26
  OK, great. Like get a goal scorer here,
• 1:00:28
  James Hagan's local kid. That would be a great story.
• 1:00:31
  Or Michael Misa scored, you know, like 60 goals this past
• 1:00:35
  year. But the more the process went
• 1:00:38
  on, and whether it was the interviews or the stories that
• 1:00:41
  came out with Matthew Schaefer, it felt like there was a bit of
• 1:00:44
  a transition to, OK, like, this kid's the obvious number one.
• 1:00:48
  And from there, like, he's such a good skater.
• 1:00:51
  Or, you know, you pulled up the video right here of him going
• 1:00:52
  coast to coast. That's such an important part of
• 1:00:55
  today's game for these defensemen.
• 1:00:57
  You have to be able to get the puck out of your own.
• 1:00:59
  And it was an issue that the Islanders had or have had for a
• 1:01:02
  really long time. And he's going to help with
• 1:01:05
  that. I think he's someone, you know,
• 1:01:06
  as a number one overall pick, that he's going to be a number
• 1:01:09
  one defenceman sooner rather than later.
• 1:01:11
  And then plus on top of that, after you trade Noah Dobson, you
• 1:01:14
  mentioned that you had, you know, Victor Eklund, who a lot
• 1:01:17
  of people had in their top ten, fell to them at 16.
• 1:01:20
  And then Keyshawn Aitchison, he he's just a massive human being.
• 1:01:24
  He throws the body around. He's not afraid to get physical.
• 1:01:28
  So they add, you know, two additional prospects in.
• 1:01:31
  Then you get into the Brock Nelson trade from in season.
• 1:01:34
  You have another first round pick next year.
• 1:01:36
  So you have two firsts next year, three from this year.
• 1:01:39
  Really feels like the Islanders are going with the youth
• 1:01:42
  approach which is desperately needed.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah. I want to ask you like kind of
• 1:01:45
  trading a lot of those veteran pieces because I have contracts
• 1:01:47
  that didn't seem like they were very movable.
• 1:01:50
  Obviously enters Lee is the biggest one that's probably
• 1:01:52
  going to be very hard. But then you got the other two
• 1:01:54
  defense from a Pelican pool lock that have had any injury issues
• 1:01:56
  in recent years. Do you see this front office
• 1:01:58
  exploring trades for a lot of those veteran guys this
• 1:02:00
  offseason or you think it's more in season maybe with them?
• 1:02:04
  Yeah, I think the two guys that I would look at in season are
• 1:02:07
  and there's Lee who you mentioned and also JG Pajo.
• 1:02:10
  I feel like there's been a lot of interest in Pajo's name going
• 1:02:14
  back to last trade deadline. And you know, you look at the
• 1:02:18
  deadline, teams are always looking to trade for a depth
• 1:02:21
  scoring and guys who win face offs and are playoff performers.
• 1:02:25
  And that's, you know, JG Pejot to a tee.
• 1:02:27
  And you have Kyle Ritchie, you know, the prospect that you got
• 1:02:30
  in the Brock Nelson trade, who's knocking on the door.
• 1:02:33
  If he's ready at some point this year to get called up to the
• 1:02:35
  NHL, they're going to need to open up a spot in that forward
• 1:02:38
  group in the The next man out, I would think would be JG Pejot
• 1:02:42
  via trade. I'd like to get your perspective
• 1:02:45
  because you've covered both football and hockey.
• 1:02:48
  Do you? Do you prefer one or the other,
• 1:02:50
  or do you like the dynamics of how the sports are similar but
• 1:02:54
  different? Yeah, for for me, I've been into
• 1:02:59
  football a lot longer and that's been my #1 sport for a lot
• 1:03:02
  longer that I've covered. So I just feel like I'm more
• 1:03:04
  comfortable with that. But I, I think the Stanley Cup
• 1:03:08
  playoffs are the, the best playoffs in all of sports.
• 1:03:11
  So I'm a little biased for that because I cover it, but it's
• 1:03:15
  just the intensity is really what I love about.
• 1:03:17
  And you could say in both sports too, in football and in hockey.
• 1:03:21
  But I think what sets hockey apart is what they what happens
• 1:03:26
  to come playoff time and how it becomes a different game.
• 1:03:29
  I think it's an underrated sport.
• 1:03:31
  You know, like, football's the number one here in the country
• 1:03:33
  and a lot of people are basketball and baseball fans and
• 1:03:35
  hockey's a little bit under the radar, but man, when it gets to
• 1:03:37
  playoff time there, there's nothing better than playoffs.
• 1:03:40
  Don't you age like 7 years every playoffs just because it's so
• 1:03:43
  long in the intensity of it? Like I get exhausted, I only
• 1:03:46
  have to cover it. Yeah, no, 100%.
• 1:03:49
  Like when the Islanders were going on their, you know, deep
• 1:03:51
  runs in 2020 and 2021. It felt like, like you said,
• 1:03:55
  losing years off your life, watching those, watching those
• 1:03:58
  games and over. Sleeping Lou, That's what we
• 1:04:00
  called them Sleeping Lou. The Lightning took up the
• 1:04:04
  Islanders on the Rangers twice in like 7 years.
• 1:04:06
  You know, Matt, it's funny every time I'm around, every time I've
• 1:04:09
  been to an Islander, you know, event and I've been to quite a
• 1:04:12
  few of them, I get invited because obviously I host a radio
• 1:04:16
  show. I'm an Islanders guy and I'm the
• 1:04:18
  voice of the Islanders on one O 3.9.
• 1:04:20
  So I, we do the pregame shows for them.
• 1:04:22
  So it's funny because when I go to these events, you, you see
• 1:04:26
  all the old Islanders. Nystrom's always there and Bobby
• 1:04:30
  is so nice, so gracious. So I love having a conversation
• 1:04:33
  with him. Lou, that was a year ago.
• 1:04:36
  I went to an event. Lou shows up, he's so small and
• 1:04:39
  he, he's so weird. He's standing in the middle of
• 1:04:42
  once he walks in, he's standing right there.
• 1:04:44
  And you would think that everybody would be running to
• 1:04:46
  Lou Lamorello because he's obviously he's a Hall of Famer.
• 1:04:51
  He's won 3 Stanley Cups with the New Jersey Devils.
• 1:04:54
  I mean, he was the face AKA of the New York Islanders and
• 1:04:57
  nobody gave a crap. And I went up to Lou and I'll
• 1:05:00
  never forget the story. And I walked up to him and I
• 1:05:03
  said, listen, I I don't want to mention any of the players that
• 1:05:05
  you brought in, but Sarokin's expecting contract.
• 1:05:08
  Where are you going with that? He says, well, what do you think
• 1:05:10
  I'm going to do with it? I said, I think you're going to
• 1:05:12
  sign him. He's like, well, that's a good
• 1:05:14
  bet. So I mean, where did you get
• 1:05:16
  your information? He was being a smart ass.
• 1:05:18
  So I said, so I started being a smart ass.
• 1:05:20
  Damn. I said, well, how do you like
• 1:05:21
  the trades over the last couple of years, trading all those
• 1:05:24
  picks and not landing or not bringing in a Stanley Cup like
• 1:05:27
  you, you, you thought you were going to do back-to-back years.
• 1:05:30
  And he says, well, you know, you, you win some, you lose
• 1:05:32
  some. I say no, Dion Islanders lose
• 1:05:34
  some, a lot of some. So and he looked at me and he
• 1:05:37
  was like, wow, you're, you're, you're a sensational person.
• 1:05:39
  Maybe I should give you another interview.
• 1:05:41
  I said, maybe you should've. And I walked away from him.
• 1:05:43
  So I and nobody cared that he was there.
• 1:05:46
  So I go back to the Islanders now and I look at the
• 1:05:49
  organization they brought in Matthew Darsh.
• 1:05:51
  Now I, I like that he's been a successful assistant over there
• 1:05:57
  with Tampa. He won a Stanley Cup.
• 1:05:59
  I he's, he's been with an organization that knows how to
• 1:06:02
  win a winning culture, very young talented team over the
• 1:06:07
  years. Now they've become a veteran
• 1:06:09
  team. What are your thoughts?
• 1:06:11
  When I, I was listening to Holland, I, I heard Holland's
• 1:06:14
  name being brought up all these different old, you know,
• 1:06:16
  managers or GM's and, and I said, what are the Islanders
• 1:06:20
  thinking? If they bring one of these
• 1:06:22
  idiots and it's, it's like bringing another sleeping loo
• 1:06:24
  in, but they went with the younger guy.
• 1:06:26
  When, when they brought in Matthew, what were your
• 1:06:28
  thoughts? Were you happy?
• 1:06:29
  Were you excited? What type of guy do you think
• 1:06:32
  Matthew Dodge brings to brings to the table for the New York
• 1:06:34
  Islanders? Yeah, I was definitely excited
• 1:06:37
  like you. I didn't want to go down like
• 1:06:39
  the older retread route with the general manager just because it
• 1:06:43
  would have felt too similar to what they had with Lulu
• 1:06:45
  Amarillo. And you know, Darsh is a younger
• 1:06:48
  guy. This is his first shot at being
• 1:06:50
  AGM, but was with an organization in Tampa Bay that's
• 1:06:53
  been so good for so long. I think you're obviously hoping
• 1:06:56
  that he takes some of, you know, what he's learned there and
• 1:06:59
  applies it to the island. There's what I like is how much
• 1:07:02
  he's put an emphasis on speed and defense that any time he
• 1:07:06
  talks, he talks about speed and defense and you know, the
• 1:07:09
  defense has gotten worse over the last few years.
• 1:07:11
  That was the I on this calling card in the Barry Trotz era, but
• 1:07:14
  that's kind of gone away and speed's been an issue for a long
• 1:07:17
  time. So this off season I think they
• 1:07:20
  did a lot to try to get faster and play a more modern style of
• 1:07:24
  hockey, which is which is good. But I I think what I like about
• 1:07:28
  Darsh is just he understands where the game is going.
• 1:07:32
  He didn't really give out too many long term contracts outside
• 1:07:34
  of Alex Romanoff. So he's giving himself some
• 1:07:36
  flexibility and he's trying to make the team younger.
• 1:07:39
  So I think it's exciting times for the Islanders.
• 1:07:41
  Romanoff really proved himself to be a first line defensive
• 1:07:44
  player last year when he stays healthy.
• 1:07:47
  We we all know why Montreal drafted him now.
• 1:07:49
  He was a first round talent. We he he's got the ability, he's
• 1:07:53
  very young still, he's 26 years old, so he's quite capable of
• 1:07:56
  being a star in this league and and being one of the faces of
• 1:07:59
  the Islanders defense. He's going to help out Shaffer
• 1:08:01
  when he comes to the league and he'll probably be up sometime
• 1:08:04
  this year. He's a first.
• 1:08:05
  He's the number one pick. So I expect to see a young guy,
• 1:08:08
  the young kid come up and and develop in the NHL.
• 1:08:11
  The the one thing I could say, and there's a couple of guys
• 1:08:13
  that I want to see and I, I love talking hockey with a guy that
• 1:08:16
  knows Islander hockey because I know Islander hockey, because I
• 1:08:20
  speak about the Islanders. I know Jabba could care less in
• 1:08:23
  certain ways. I I mean, he knows some Rangers
• 1:08:27
  that he actually. Was apartment based with.
• 1:08:31
  But Cole Eiserman is a guy I, I want to see.
• 1:08:36
  The Islanders drafted him a couple of years ago.
• 1:08:38
  He was I think the the 19th or 21st pick.
• 1:08:41
  He's he was 17 when they drafted him.
• 1:08:43
  I think he's 19, going to be 20 this year.
• 1:08:46
  He's a guy that we, we were talking about Ricci and a guy
• 1:08:48
  that is going to be called up sometime this year.
• 1:08:51
  Cole is still playing college hockey.
• 1:08:53
  I I think Cole has a chance after this year to go to the AHL
• 1:08:57
  and, and maybe even be called up sometime at the end of the
• 1:09:00
  season, maybe early next season. Your thoughts to him and and
• 1:09:05
  where do the Islanders go with some of these old players?
• 1:09:08
  I don't want to see any of these old players anymore.
• 1:09:10
  I, I, I want to see Casey Zeke is gone.
• 1:09:13
  I like we, we saw that Manny Martin just retired.
• 1:09:16
  Thank God he retired. I want to see him on the ice
• 1:09:18
  anymore. All right, Clutterbuck finally
• 1:09:21
  came out and retired. Thank God, I love you Claudie,
• 1:09:24
  but I don't want to see him on the ice anymore.
• 1:09:26
  And the Pajo thing, I get rid of that contract.
• 1:09:30
  I can't stand watching. He's a great face.
• 1:09:32
  He's a great face off guy. How many goals has this guy
• 1:09:35
  scored since he's been an Islander?
• 1:09:37
  I mean, seriously, it's it's absolutely pathetic.
• 1:09:39
  So the Cole Iseman thing and all the other things that I just
• 1:09:42
  went through just absolutely sickens me.
• 1:09:45
  Yeah, so on Eiserman, I, I really am expecting big things
• 1:09:48
  from him in college. He he showed it last year.
• 1:09:51
  And what I noticed most with him, his goals came in big
• 1:09:56
  spots. It felt like every time his team
• 1:09:59
  was needed a goal, it was Cole Eiserman who's the one who's
• 1:10:01
  coming up with it, which I don't know.
• 1:10:03
  I I again, I kind of like that from a young player rising to
• 1:10:06
  the occasion and, you know, playing in those tournaments at
• 1:10:09
  at the collegiate level too. Like that's, I know it's not the
• 1:10:13
  NHL, but that's high end hockey right there.
• 1:10:15
  And there's a lot of pressure for those kids.
• 1:10:17
  So I, I think, like you said, maybe the end of this year,
• 1:10:21
  depending on when his season in college ends, he might get a
• 1:10:25
  look, but he he's another one who's knocking on the door.
• 1:10:28
  And I think he has, you know, top six upside with the goal
• 1:10:30
  scoring ability. He should be someone who plays
• 1:10:32
  on a first or second line, maybe a winger for Matt Barzal
• 1:10:35
  finally, who could score some goals that that'd be nice to
• 1:10:38
  have. So I would absolutely love that
• 1:10:42
  on some of the older guys. I'm with you, Pajo.
• 1:10:44
  I would be shocked if he made it past the trade deadline this
• 1:10:47
  year. I think it's really going to
• 1:10:49
  depend on how fast Cal Ritchie is developing and ready to make
• 1:10:53
  that call up. And you know, there's some other
• 1:10:55
  veterans that I'm sure they're looking to move to.
• 1:10:57
  Suzique is one of them. I will say this, and if you're
• 1:11:00
  Islander fan and Islander fans listening to the show right now,
• 1:11:03
  you shouldn't really question what the Islanders have done
• 1:11:05
  over the last month. I think the Islanders have slam
• 1:11:08
  dunk everything. They brought in this Russian kid
• 1:11:10
  who everybody with. There was 8 teams gunning for
• 1:11:14
  him and I speedy you're better with.
• 1:11:15
  Chabanov. Chabanov, who I'm, I'm bad with,
• 1:11:18
  you know, I always pronounce his name like Chabanov or whatever
• 1:11:21
  the hell Chabanov is, is a guy that the Rangers were interested
• 1:11:24
  in, Carolina was interested in him, Las Vegas was interested in
• 1:11:28
  him. I I read how small he is, but
• 1:11:30
  speed is something that theologists are preaching this
• 1:11:33
  guy, a lot of people compare his skills to a Panarin, a guy that
• 1:11:37
  can put the puck in the net. He has a tremendous ability of
• 1:11:40
  finding the net. You're thoughts why he picked
• 1:11:43
  the Islanders? Was it Sorokin or are the
• 1:11:46
  Islanders trying to make this the Russian Islanders?
• 1:11:49
  Because there's somebody in Minnesota.
• 1:11:51
  There are stories coming out that is very intrigued with the
• 1:11:54
  Islanders organization and what they've done so far this
• 1:11:57
  offseason. Yeah, it certainly feels that
• 1:11:59
  way with Maxim Chabanov this year.
• 1:12:02
  Maxim Siflakov last year comes over from the KHL.
• 1:12:05
  You have Romanov, Sorokin, Varlamov to a lot of Russians,
• 1:12:09
  so hopefully that leads, you've been hinting at it, to curl
• 1:12:12
  Caprezov in the offseason. That'd be a lot of fun if he
• 1:12:15
  comes over from Minnesota. But yeah, Chabanov is a really
• 1:12:19
  interesting one. He's small, so some questions on
• 1:12:22
  if his game will translate to the NHL level, which is much
• 1:12:26
  more physical than it is over in the KHL, but there's no doubt
• 1:12:30
  that the goal scoring's there. He's a playmaker too.
• 1:12:33
  He honestly got some comparisons to Co capris of which would be
• 1:12:37
  great. Why not pair the two of them
• 1:12:38
  together? But he's someone that I think
• 1:12:42
  maybe starts on the third line but if plays well gets bumped up
• 1:12:45
  into the top 6. You know, I, I never mentioned
• 1:12:49
  Caprisoff because I want to throw myself under the bus
• 1:12:52
  because I always jinx my teams and they never get the guy.
• 1:12:55
  But I think Caprisoff, if he leaves Minnesota, I, I, I don't
• 1:12:59
  see any other team where he wants to go and play besides the
• 1:13:02
  Islanders. I think the Islanders are really
• 1:13:04
  building it where there's, if he has any interest.
• 1:13:08
  And the story is what I've been reading, if Minnesota doesn't
• 1:13:11
  get this deal done before, before the preseason starts,
• 1:13:16
  he's not signing in the middle of the season.
• 1:13:18
  So he will go to free agency. And they, they believe that if
• 1:13:22
  he goes to free agency, he is not signing back.
• 1:13:25
  Even if they get the, even if they can give him the 8th year,
• 1:13:27
  he will not sign back with Minnesota and he will go to free
• 1:13:30
  agency and go to the highest bidder.
• 1:13:32
  And the Islanders are opening, they're, they're making it
• 1:13:36
  available where the Islanders are going to be able to offer
• 1:13:38
  him 11 or $12 million, which could very much be the, the goal
• 1:13:41
  scorer they needed, the superstar they needed to add to
• 1:13:45
  their top, top 2 lines where they could be a success story.
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  I'm going to tell you something. I, I want to ask you because you
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  know a lot about hockey and I'm, I'm an Islander guy too, Matthew
• 1:13:55
  Barzell and I, I love Matt. I, I think he's the best skater,
• 1:13:59
  second best skater right now in the NHL, right behind Connor
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  McDavid. He is an unbelievable skater.
• 1:14:03
  I've never seen somebody gracious.
• 1:14:05
  Gracious as and fast and so good on the edges.
• 1:14:09
  He reminds me of Alexei Kovolov. Me and Mikey, see, I went back
• 1:14:11
  and forth on the phone. You, if you don't know, Mikey
• 1:14:14
  was my old partner on my show and we used to argue all the
• 1:14:17
  time about certain players. He's a big hockey guy.
• 1:14:19
  Alexei Kovolov, if you look at his career, it's almost
• 1:14:23
  identical to Matthew Barzell. It's it's now Alexei had over
• 1:14:27
  300 and semi goals and Matthew Barzell doesn't have anything
• 1:14:30
  close to that. But the way they play their
• 1:14:32
  game, speed, puck handling skills, but could never find the
• 1:14:35
  net. It took him.
• 1:14:36
  I think he had one season with 40 goals.
• 1:14:39
  The rest of the seasons I think he had 130 goal season.
• 1:14:42
  That was it. Matthew Barsell hasn't even hit
• 1:14:44
  thirty goals yet. What what are your thoughts to
• 1:14:47
  that comparison? Alexa Kovalov to Matthew Barsell
• 1:14:49
  and I said that Daniel Smith and he says, wow, that's a good
• 1:14:51
  comparison. So.
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  Yeah, I do. I do like that.
• 1:14:56
  That's one that I haven't heard before.
• 1:14:57
  So this is the first time that I'm hearing it.
• 1:14:59
  But I do think it makes sense, right, Because you look at him
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  as more of a playmaker exactly like what Matthew Barzell is.
• 1:15:05
  You kind of delete it out there. He hasn't hit thirty goals.
• 1:15:07
  That would be the the nice next step.
• 1:15:10
  But I think he needs to shoot more in order to get there.
• 1:15:12
  He's he's always looking for the pass first and that's fine.
• 1:15:15
  If he has someone who could pot 3540 goals on his line, they
• 1:15:19
  don't have someone like that to put with him.
• 1:15:21
  So it gets a little frustrating at times.
• 1:15:23
  And with the turnovers, too, like the pucks on his stick a
• 1:15:25
  lot. So he's kind of prone to those
• 1:15:27
  turnovers. He's such a driver of offense,
• 1:15:29
  though. I think he's, you know, a useful
• 1:15:31
  piece for this team. But I like that comp.
• 1:15:34
  It's not one that I've heard of or or thought of before, but I
• 1:15:37
  think it's a good one. Well, Matt, you got to invite us
• 1:15:39
  on the show. Yeah, we we can, I can hook you
• 1:15:42
  up with some hockey information, especially Islanders, because me
• 1:15:45
  and Speedy Speedy's actually when it comes to statistics and
• 1:15:48
  hockey. I mean, his knowledge in hockey
• 1:15:51
  is probably just as good as any sport he plays in these fantasy
• 1:15:55
  leagues. He's just absolutely putrid.
• 1:15:57
  So he's just so bad at it. Hold on, He's bad to.
• 1:16:01
  To put in perspective, partner Mikey, see that he mentioned we
• 1:16:05
  actually played. I didn't play last year, but we
• 1:16:07
  actually played in a 20 team category league for hockey.
• 1:16:11
  So you really have to know depth players of that league.
• 1:16:13
  I, I just, I don't play fantasy besides football.
• 1:16:16
  I do play basketball too. I'm pretty good at that.
• 1:16:18
  But these guys, they talk so much crap.
• 1:16:21
  They go back and forth, Oh, look good.
• 1:16:23
  And then they have these, these different rules like it's APR
• 1:16:26
  league or it's, or make sure that you cover rebounds and all
• 1:16:29
  this stuff. Nobody, nobody gives me the
• 1:16:31
  information until I draft. And then after the draft, why
• 1:16:34
  don't you draft big guys? I mean, it doesn't make sense.
• 1:16:37
  Rebounding and, and, and you know, blocks are so very
• 1:16:40
  important. Then why did you say something
• 1:16:42
  before I drafted you idiots? So I, I don't play in hockey
• 1:16:46
  leagues, but I know my hockey. I, I will say this, I'm
• 1:16:49
  terrible. I butcher hockey names more than
• 1:16:53
  any other sport. My agent actually, when he
• 1:16:56
  listens to me talk hockey, he tells me all the time, dude, you
• 1:17:00
  got to, you got to figure out these names, man.
• 1:17:02
  You, you, you got to figure out how to pronounce these names if
• 1:17:05
  you want to talk hockey when it comes to if you want to work on
• 1:17:08
  the NHL Network. And I was like, dude, Brian,
• 1:17:10
  relax, Brian. If you listen to the show, I,
• 1:17:12
  that's why we have this segment sounded out.
• 1:17:14
  I just embarrassed the hell out of myself.
• 1:17:16
  And then, you know, you can laugh at it and we can go back
• 1:17:18
  to stupidity on this show. But Matt, I, I, I follow you,
• 1:17:23
  man. I love what you do.
• 1:17:25
  And we got to stay in touch. I don't know if Speedy's got
• 1:17:28
  your number. Let's stay let's stay in touch.
• 1:17:31
  We we're going to be doing some live shows in the winter time.
• 1:17:35
  Jabba has a couple of nice restaurants out in Manhattan and
• 1:17:40
  New Jersey and we're going to be doing some live shows over there
• 1:17:44
  and maybe some here on Long Island.
• 1:17:46
  Maybe one in this on a in a in on a beach.
• 1:17:49
  And before the summer is over, we'd love for you to come down
• 1:17:52
  and you know, talk a little hockey, talk a little football
• 1:17:55
  and have a little fun with us with some of the fans.
• 1:17:58
  I and, and promote your product because I, I love what you do.
• 1:18:00
  I'm not throwing anybody under the bus.
• 1:18:02
  And I know you were you, you do a lot of shows, jet shows.
• 1:18:06
  I think your, your show is to me.
• 1:18:08
  I, I respect what you say because I'm not going to throw
• 1:18:12
  anybody on it. There's things that people say
• 1:18:13
  on their show that just like, are you getting paid by The
• 1:18:16
  Jets? I honestly, that's what I think
• 1:18:19
  and I'm not going to throw any, but I'm not going to say it on
• 1:18:21
  the show. But I you, I think you're
• 1:18:24
  honest. I watch your Islander show.
• 1:18:26
  I support what you do with the Islanders and I gracious enough
• 1:18:30
  to come on our show, but also support what we do.
• 1:18:32
  And I just want to let you know we broke 130,000 downloads on
• 1:18:36
  Spotify and Apple last month. So we're we're yeah, it's, we're
• 1:18:41
  doing a lot of great things on this show.
• 1:18:43
  And Jabba, you know, since he's joined the show, it's been fun.
• 1:18:45
  And Jabba's learning a little bit about us as, as
• 1:18:49
  personalities and some of the crazy things that we do on this
• 1:18:53
  show, as we always do. Groba as we know it.
• 1:18:55
  Groba or this one? My rear end is burning.
• 1:18:58
  Or this blow my back out. I love Lisa Ann, We do a lot of
• 1:19:02
  different things on this show and we like to mess mess around
• 1:19:04
  with Jabba as Droba is not an athlete.
• 1:19:08
  Anyways, we appreciate the time. You're a sensational person and
• 1:19:12
  I love what you're doing. Let's stay in touch and let's
• 1:19:14
  get together, man. That all sounds great.
• 1:19:17
  Thanks again for having me guys. Really appreciate.
• 1:19:19
  It and by the way, when we do the Islanders this summer, this
• 1:19:22
  winter, when the season starts, we do every Saturday, what do we
• 1:19:25
  do on? Islander pregame show.
• 1:19:27
  Pregame show every Saturday. Let's get you on the show.
• 1:19:31
  I think the fans would love you can hang us out and we do out
• 1:19:34
  like a 25 minute take before the Islander game starts and they go
• 1:19:37
  to the the Islander pregames over there and we go back and
• 1:19:41
  forth and we argue Islander hockey.
• 1:19:43
  I think you'd be great and I think you'd be great for the
• 1:19:46
  fans to. I hear what you got to say.
• 1:19:48
  Yeah, that sounds awesome. I'm totally in for a Little
• 1:19:50
  Isles pregame action. There you go on one O 3.9 you
• 1:19:53
  get your, your program and all the stuff that you're doing
• 1:19:56
  right now on your on your product, which is sensational by
• 1:19:59
  the way. So we really appreciate the
• 1:20:00
  time. Absolutely, guys.
• 1:20:02
  Thanks so much. Matt O'Leary, I love Matt
• 1:20:06
  Speedy. When you told me Matt was going
• 1:20:08
  to come on the show, I'm a I'm a fan of his because he's an
• 1:20:11
  Islander guy and he's a Jack guy, so me and him have
• 1:20:15
  something in common. The only thing that I would say
• 1:20:18
  about Matt that I give him a lot of credit for is he says a lot
• 1:20:21
  of good things about his teams. I just dropped the hammer on my
• 1:20:26
  teams. So me and Matt would be pretty
• 1:20:29
  funny on a show if we went back-to-back and forth bantering
• 1:20:32
  about our teams because he would be the bright side of things.
• 1:20:35
  And I would be like, oh, the world's going to end.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah. What it was last year too, which
• 1:20:40
  is very weird, when we did the Islanders pregame show the first
• 1:20:43
  year in 2023, it was kind of like it was kind of a steady
• 1:20:46
  course throughout the season. They started slow, but they were
• 1:20:48
  like pretty steady after that last year, like all our pregame
• 1:20:51
  shows, like the first three months of the season.
• 1:20:53
  So it was like all like all the negative ends of the Islanders.
• 1:20:55
  Then they finally start making the good trades after that.
• 1:20:58
  So like the youth movement, like last three months or so, we
• 1:21:01
  didn't get to us. Matt O'Leary fantastic.
• 1:21:03
  Thank you Matt for joining us talking little Jets and
• 1:21:06
  Islanders hockey. So I love Matt.
• 1:21:08
  Thank you to Matt. Thank you to all the fans tuning
• 1:21:11
  in to us and and downloading a show on Apple and Spotify audio
• 1:21:16
  over 130,000 over the last, I would say the last month.
• 1:21:21
  Thank you to all the TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, all, all
• 1:21:26
  the different sectors, YouTube, Spotify, Apple video, all the
• 1:21:30
  guys, all the girls, all the gals following us on all the
• 1:21:34
  social media markets and and all the different platforms that
• 1:21:37
  we're on Odyssey too. Odyssey, we're doing pretty well
• 1:21:39
  too. I just want to give a shout out
• 1:21:41
  to them and Odyssey letting us post our show on their network.
• 1:21:44
  Yeah, we'll be back on Wednesday.
• 1:21:46
  Spudo we have on all. Right.
• 1:21:47
  Joining the show again for the first time in a couple of years,
• 1:21:49
  8:45 will be our friend Bashar Breeland, former Commanders,
• 1:21:52
  Chiefs, Vikings cornerback at 8:45.
• 1:21:54
  And then to be determined on time is our friend, Mr. Jim
• 1:21:57
  Lehrer. I want to say something.
• 1:21:59
  Bashar Breeland, the last time he was on his show, I had to get
• 1:22:02
  a lot out of him, and it took a while to get him open.
• 1:22:06
  And then two weeks after we interviewed him, he was
• 1:22:09
  arrested. For what?
• 1:22:11
  What did he? Jeff told us at the time you had
• 1:22:13
  some kind of some kind of drug arrest.
• 1:22:15
  He got a drug arrest. He had like a machine gun.
• 1:22:18
  He was caught with a machine gun and, and, and we read the story.
• 1:22:21
  It was absolutely crazy and and Breeland was fantastic on the
• 1:22:24
  show. I remember, I remember that was
• 1:22:26
  at the time the Giants ate a lot of corners.
• 1:22:28
  I was trying to recruit him to come to the Giants.
• 1:22:30
  So it was that that Pete, Pete Burstick, we had on like what?
• 1:22:33
  Would be perfect for the Giants. Because he had time.
• 1:22:35
  Yes. No, you know why it would have
• 1:22:36
  been perfect? Because you had another guy
• 1:22:38
  that, you know, had had a dead body in his basement.
• 1:22:41
  Because of his good old brother Jackrabbit.
• 1:22:42
  Yeah, the Jackrabbit. Remember that story?
• 1:22:46
  Yeah, that was crazy. He had a couple of good years.
• 1:22:49
  He was pretty good in coverage, yeah.
• 1:22:51
  So was, So was. Basically I'd cover ups
• 1:22:53
  apparently. Too, I said he was good.
• 1:22:56
  They, his brother wrapped the dead body in his basement and
• 1:22:59
  put it in the corner. Nobody saw it.
• 1:23:01
  Nobody saw a dead body in the corner.
• 1:23:03
  These things happen. Yeah, I'm sure it does.
• 1:23:05
  He was definitely jumping over it, if you know what I mean.
• 1:23:08
  All right. Goodnight.
• 1:23:09
  Farewell. We're gone.
• 1:23:11
  It's the worldwide sports radio network.
• 1:23:15
  This makes my pecker hard.