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And we are back. Good morning and welcome to our
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I'm Sonya with Keith Engle, Jack Hirsch, and we are here with
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this amazing show. Good morning, gentlemen.
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Again, I know we spoke backstage.
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Hope you guys are doing well today.
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Happy Friday. Good morning.
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Last Friday of June. Can't believe it?
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Wow, we are officially in summer and if you don't believe it just
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open your door. Most of the country is 90 plus
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degrees, including you Northeasterners Jack and Keith.
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We're back out of the soup in the 70° weather this last two
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days, so normal. Can you imagine someone who
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never listened to this show before?
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I had no idea and just happened to be scanning and came upon us.
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They think they were getting The Weather Channel here.
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Jackie, you weren't suspenders today, by the way.
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I don't know these. Actually, well, he's a Boston.
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Glove. OK, all right, they're out of
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the shirt now. I get it.
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I thought you had some weird suspenders then anyway.
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Well, Speaking of Heat and things that were not really
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super hot, the NBA draft beyond the first round.
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Guys, what were your first thoughts on?
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Let's go back to round one. Of course, Cooper Flag, like we
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predicted, actually did go number one to the Dallas
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Mavericks. Dylan Harper following right
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behind him at the number two spot.
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What were you guys thoughts on round one and what was the
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biggest surprise to you if there was 1?
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Well, I'll be I was just because I'll be quick because after the
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1st 5 picks, I mean, if to me it's like a whirlwind.
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There's guys getting picked, but they're really picking for other
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teams. It seems like 3/4 of the draft
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is somebody picking for somebody else and and the and the guys
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and the kids ending up over there.
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We knew Cooper flag and at the 1st 5 picks we're no surprise,
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right? The order was after Cooper flag
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was to be determined, but pretty no surprise there.
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Second round kind of the same thing.
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I I thought the Pacers did pretty good with two only two
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second round picks yesterday. I thought they did pretty well
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actually. But we can talk more about
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winners and losers if you want after Jack.
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You can give your overview if you want now, because my head's
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still spinning. Good morning, Richard.
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You look at the grades, I don't know Sonia Keith, whether you
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look at the grades afterwards. Little bit.
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ESPN list the grades of each team and the Dallas Mavericks
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get AB What stupidity right down turned off.
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How would he audit? They got a coop of black that's
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an automatic A, you know, and they get AB.
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But the two things that that stand out the most to me in the
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draft that made the biggest impression and 1 is going to be
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ongoing. What's going to be the situation
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with Ace Bailey before condemning them before
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condemning them. Let's see his then issue with
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him going to Utah. There hasn't been an issue yet.
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He denies it. He didn't show up for the press
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conference, but that sometimes happens with other players
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because Utah's quite a ways away.
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And so let's hold off for the time being.
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But the eyes on Ace Bailey, what's he going to say?
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What's he going to do if he if he tells us by the end of the
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week, I'm completely committed to Utah.
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The drama's all over. He's committed to Utah.
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Nothing wrong has been done. But from Ace Bailey's
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perspective, think of it this way.
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This is a kid from Redford. He wanted to be close to home to
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his mindset. I'm going to get drafted by
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Washington, Brooklyn and the one team that he didn't care to go
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to. I can understand it being the
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76ers because he wouldn't have the same amount of playing time
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and I can understand that him nothing happy maybe going there.
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But Utah what's the excuse? He's going to be a star at Utah.
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He's he could be a star at for the Utah Jazz.
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But I can understand his mind that was he was going to go to
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the Washington Wizards and maybe the Brooklyn Nets.
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But if he doesn't go to the Utah Jazz, I want to see the Jazz
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take a stand. Don't trade him away.
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Let him sit out the year, lose the Don draft pick make a
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statement. These teams always buckle in to
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the other players, the other storyline and there were two of
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them. To me as a Nets fan, what the
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heck are the Nets doing? 4 point cards I picked and I'm a
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I'm a complete hypocrite. I don't know why I'm a hypocrite
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completely because I've always had a theory with the NFL.
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So do you like this to see? I would like to see a team one
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year who hasn't had a franchise quarterback ever draft a
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quarterback. With every single pick in the
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draft and the training camp, one of them has to emerge.
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The brown stride. They did.
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They're frying. Yeah.
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You know they were close. Eject your debt out of it.
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But that's the one thing I I I will take away from the grading
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is with Cooper flags. The by far the best player in
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the draft in my mind, the guy who finished second in the in
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the NCAA player of the year award got drafted in the second
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round to tell you that if it tells you anything at all, I
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think he's a no brainer and he's going to be good.
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The Nets just mind boggling. And as far as Ace Bailey, Ace
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Bailey is going to be a bit of a project.
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He's he's may be the rawest of the top five guys that got
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picked. He's got great talent, but he
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you know, he loses focus at times.
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And that was one of Rutgers problems this year.
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And I know his his pre draft disposition hasn't always been
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the best in a ways skipped certain things is trying to get
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himself to where he wanted to go.
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And you know, it may take a few years for him to develop.
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He may these other guys may hit the ground running a lot more
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than Ace Bailey. But I think Ace Bailey at the
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end of the day will be a really good NBA player.
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It's just you're going to be patient with them.
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But if you tell me that Dylan Harper went number two overall
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in the draft of San Antonio, Ace Bailey went, you know #5 right
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after. And they, they both were
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teammates. And Rutgers and Rutgers, you
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know, they had a losing record. Harper's a much more polished
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player than Bailey, though. Bailey was up and down.
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That was what, again, I said on the show the other night.
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How does the Rutgers coach probably got some explaining to
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do? When you get 2 of the top five
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guys in the draft, you don't finish over 500.
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But part of it is because of kids like Ace Bailey, who you
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don't know which player you're going to get every night.
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Harper's a little different. I think he's consistent and more
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ready to play at this level. And I got to ask this, I, I
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condemn people who say A-Team tanks, but are the Nets is an
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organization tanking for one year because they have their
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number one pick next year? I don't know who they are
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eyeing, you know, but it's not like the NFL.
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If you have the worst record, it doesn't mean you get the top
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pick. Look what happened with Dallas.
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A 2% chance or so we're getting the top pick and they get Cooper
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flag. So the Nets could be back,
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conceivably you in the number 8 spot next year, even tanking or
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maybe 5 or 6 not getting the player they might want.
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So it doesn't make sense to tank the season.
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But this kid from Duke, OK, I can't pronounce his name.
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The Santa Monica. Kanapo.
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Yeah, no, not Kanapo. No, no, no.
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Oh, Malaka. Malaka.
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Yeah. When #10 to Phoenix.
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The Nets could have taken them at #8 and then they could have
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picked their three-point guards after.
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I don't get all this. I just don't understand the
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sense behind, you know, some of the strategy involved.
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I mean, it's one thing that the Nets didn't trade off a couple
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of their number one picks for the future, but I just don't get
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the whole strategy involved. 4 point guards, You throw them
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together, they're going to play them all together and hope you
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know they don't do as well as they even did last year when
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they were 26 and 56 because they only have their number one draft
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pick for one more year next year.
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Then they don't have it for quite a while.
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Then Houston gets it the following year because of some
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of the wheelings and dealings the Nets have done in the past.
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Yeah. Who you tanking for, though?
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I don't know. You don't know right now,
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there's no, there's no Cooper flag.
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There will be, but there's no Cooper flag that stands out
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right now that you be tanking. So I got to go get that guy,
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right? So I want to emerge, but it's
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just a silly strategy in my mind anyway.
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Tanking. It's never it's never a sure
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thing. I'm really surprised that you
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guys and good morning again, Richard.
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I wanted to say that the let's go back for a quick second.
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The grading of some of these drafts, when you all mentioned
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that the maths got a beef for Cooper Flag, most of the the
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outlets I looked at it said A+, at least for him.
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I mean, I think from yeah, some outlets are looking at the fit
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the team overall, you know, that's what brings that grade
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down. But of course the players
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themselves are going in with, you know, A's, hobbies, what
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have you. Let's look at what you said
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though, Jack. The Brooklyn Nets had all these
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picks, five in the first round, and in fact they were doing a
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lot of finagling behind the scenes to grab even more picks
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during the draft. I saw a couple of switcheroos
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and I was literally shocked because this is a record for
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them to have first round picks. A lot of the analysts have
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looked at the shooting ability of some of their selections like
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Igor Demean and Nolan Trayor. Those those two guys in
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particular, the fact that they brought them in, what are your
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thoughts on them coming in? Because the shooting ability and
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the fit there is, is what's the issue here?
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Not necessarily, you know, the fact that they had these picks,
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but what did they actually do to develop this team about the work
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ahead for this this franchise? Well, how do they all work
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together? That's the question.
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Because they play the same type of a game.
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Yeah, overlapping skills. I mean, I can understand the
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play has one particular skill. The Lakers, for example, had
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their they sung an undrafted free agent out of Villanova
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whose one strength is he's a spot up shooter.
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If he could find a spot on the court, he's wide open.
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You get the ball from, he's a good shooter.
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So he'd be a situational player, but with the Nets, I, I just
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don't understand. It's like the Carolina Panthers.
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Your Panthers in the draft having 5 #1 picks and using the
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first four of them are running backs.
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Yeah, that'd be wild. I.
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Mean it would. It would.
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Sounds like something that chats do, but I got you.
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Exactly. You know, but I can't, you know.
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But the overlapping skills, that's the thing, how they
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complement one another. Look, maybe it works out.
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Maybe the logic is the Nets are going to have their back part of
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the future now and that's going to be that that's the players
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are going to develop over the course of the year.
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I think it's a throwaway season next season by all indications.
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I mean, quite honestly, New York, no one talks about the
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Nets. The Nets have become like so
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irrelevant. I mean, you'd think New York,
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Brooklyn is a big, big marketplace, but no one cares.
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I mean, quite honestly, if you had to rate, you know, team all
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the sports teams in order of importance, I mean, I think the
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Nets would finish behind the New York Islanders.
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They'd be last. They would definitely be last.
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I mean the range is obviously a historic and egg shells
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franchise, but I think the Nets would be last if New York had to
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vote all sports fans. What do you mean to get rid of
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who would go in the expansion trap to another city?
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I think the next would be the team that they would move on
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from. Agreed.
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They're always going to be little brother in New York City.
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They're always doesn't know how bad the Knicks are.
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The Knicks will still be more popular than the Nets.
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Yeah, even Spike Lee was at the draft last night for round two.
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He was there. I'm like, Spike is everywhere
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with the Knicks. Well, Spike wanted to see that.
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He knew they were taking somebody from France, so I'm
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surprised he wasn't in France for the draft.
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Right, he was. Literally, Yes he was.
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I could I I couldn't have picked the guy and the guy the next.
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Besides that, besides taking another Frenchman where they've
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never had any success, this guy is not even an impact player in
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France. How's it going to be an impact
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player here? What's his name?
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Franz Wyler. Whatever who they took ahead
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around our test. A French player who averaged
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eight points a game in a French league and never got on the
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Knicks roster. Why didn't the Knicks just
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played that pick? Every year.
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That was the they had the 50th pick.
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And you're talking about Muhammad Duawa.
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Yeah. Duawa Duawa.
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Duawa Duawa. He.
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Was a forex from Cloet basket in France right?
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Like who? Sure, like. 5.8 points a game,
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5.5 points a game basically. I mean, the guy is you have to
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turn into an impact player in his own country, which isn't
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known for, you know, there's been some good players come out
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of France. I'm sorry, I don't mean that
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didn't mean the whole country, but Knicks have never had any
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success there. I don't know why they keep going
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back. Well, it's also worth noting
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that the Knicks actually forfeited their own second round
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pick. Let's talk about that.
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Because they tampered when they got Jalen Brunson.
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I had forgotten all about that because for, I mean, even like
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you guys said, no matter what surrounds them, the, the drama,
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this whole issue with Jalen Brunson and picking someone that
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I had never heard of before that's only scoring 5 points of
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basket. They're the beloved team of, of
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New York. So I mean.
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A lot. And we all, I tend to do the
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same thing. We all deride the second round
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of the NBA draft. It seems like.
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Who cares? We trade.
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They just traded 5 second round picks or something for Kevin
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Durant, right? We second round picks.
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There's some good players. Jalen Brunts was a second round
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pick, Jokic was a second round pick.
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There's some good players that have come out of that second
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round. Not a lot of, you know, volume
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and this year I, I think Johnny Brown is going to be a guy to
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watch out of the second round this year with the Sixers.
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I think a good spot for him, even though he's a, he's got
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first round talent in my mind and I was shocked he went in the
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second round, but I think it's a good spot for him.
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There's some value in the second round in the NBA draft, a little
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more than that seemed to be years ago, because I think teams
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need more depth a little more than they did years ago.
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As far as the way they used their benches today, I mean
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they're too many minutes that sometimes it seems to be logged
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on the scotters. Well wait till they make it 10
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minute quarters that'll they won't need all this guy.
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Yes, that's the other thing they're talking about.
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Yeah, yeah, that's they're already moving that way to
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college. Years ago, I'm, I'm saying years
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ago, they logged a lot more minutes.
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Oh. For.
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Sure. You know, they were talking
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about with Commissioner Adam Silva about the Achilles
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injuries. They've had seven Achilles
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injuries and that's a devastating injury.
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They had a seven this year and they had none last year.
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Now they're studying. Does it happen during youth
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basketball? Does that set the stage for it?
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I, I can't believe that's the case.
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I mean, I got to believe it suddenly creeps up on you, on
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you. I don't know what the medical
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science is, but it's such a bad injury, these Achilles injuries,
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because it's it's such a long rehab process and it takes about
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a year to come back from. But look, players do come back.
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Kobe Bryant came back from it. Kevin Durant came back from it.
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So a play can come back from it. But is he going to come back
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100%? Is he going to come back 85%?
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Look, look, a great play like Kevin Durant, 85% of him is
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better than the vast majority of players at 100%.
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That might not be as noticeable but but it's such a tough injury
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to come back from it. You never know.
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I ruptured my Achilles at 48. I was never the same.
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How long? Did it take for you to get back
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to normal living? Well, after rehab and
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everything, it was probably, you know, 10 months after surgery,
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you're in a cast for two months and then you start rehab.
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So I'm, but I wasn't playing professional sports either,
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right? I'm just, I wanted to get my car
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and drive my car because it was my right leg.
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So how long did? That take for everyday living to
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drive your car. Let's see, probably 5 months,
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probably four months, four or five months.
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Wow. So I'm going to tell you guys,
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That's the thing. It's it is not even though
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Achilles is devastating, it could be any foot injury.
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I had my foot surgically broken the same week that Greg Olson of
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the Carolina Panthers broke his foot.
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Mine was surgically broken because I've had some issues
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with bone spurs. Went to a bad doctor that
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treated it and and they jacked it up so I lost all the
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cartilage. The recovery was so long because
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it was my driving foot too. Had the surgery y'all September
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of of 2017, got out of the got out of the they had a soft cast
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on it. Started doing the rehab,
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developed, they call it Crips CRPS, which is an inflammation.
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Then they found out after six months.
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Y'all March of the next year I went into a regular cast because
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there was a part of it that was still not healed.
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The bone was still separated. So I had to cast 6-8 months
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later in a leg, cast a full cast and go right back to square 1.
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And this is the thing, I'm a regular person.
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I played sports growing up off and on some sports.
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But this is these are athletes. And I feel like going forward,
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Jack and Keith, they may, if this continues, especially 7 is
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a lot for one year, maybe next year, hopefully next year it
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won't be as many injuries. But say you are a regular
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player, not superstar, but you're just enough to stay on
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the starting line up. This type of injury to end your
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career, this could end you where you could never come back.
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And so I think that the league may do what the NFL is doing.
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They may start proposing special shoes or shoe inserts to
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possibly reinforce the shoes that these guys are wearing.
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You know, I don't know about all the injuries that was referred
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to earlier from this past year, but looking at Halliburton and
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Durant, these were very eerily, eerily similar injuries because
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what they they happened after really kind of ignoring, not
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ignoring, but trying to play through a calf muscle injury.
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Both of those guys had serious calf muscle injuries and try to
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play through them in the playoffs.
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Same thing happened to Durant and they rolled up their their
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Achilles after that. So ignoring another injury can
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also lead to this type of catastrophic injury.
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So. You know, kid makes a great
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point and that I didn't even think of.
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Maybe the NBA should do what the NFL does in regard to
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concussions. If a player has a concussion,
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even if he wants to play, he shouldn't be given that option
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or supposedly isn't given that option.
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They forced him to sit out, whether he likes it or not.
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Maybe if an NBA player has a type of injury that Halliburton
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had, the NBA just shouldn't allow him to play the medical
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team, no matter how much he wants to play.
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But could you imagine they had that rule and it's the NBA
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Finals and Halliburton's begging to play, and the pace of fan
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base might be outraged. Look, he says he's OK to play.
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Let him play. And you know.
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But in the case of Halliburton and Jason Tatum, I was listening
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to you, Sonia and also Keith, with the injuries, will can they
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come back next year at some point?
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If you talk about one year, can they make it back before the
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playoff? I believe Durant question.
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I feel like Durant didn't miss a full season next year.
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I could be wrong about that, but at best they're going to come
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back very, very late in the season or the playoffs, and then
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you're not in game shape because you haven't been able to do
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basketball activities all winter, right?
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So I think theoretically they could, but I don't know that
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it's likely. Even even some players.
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I mean, I was just looking here at major players.
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Dorian Finney Smith underwent left ankle surgery for the
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Lakers. He's expected to be ready for
23:55
training camp. But he played through the
23:57
injuries. So you have players that play
23:59
through certain injuries that lead to worser injuries.
24:02
But there's, yeah, there's as when it comes to the Achilles,
24:04
you got to remember there's two different things.
24:05
There's a tear like Aaron Rodgers had a tear and then
24:08
there's a rupture. I ruptured mine where it rolls
24:11
right up in the back of your leg.
24:12
And that's the same thing that happened to Halliburton, I
24:13
think. And a rupture is much worse than
24:15
a tear, both rehab time and and, you know, just coming back to
24:23
some semblance of your former self.
24:25
So. That's got to be so painful.
24:26
And I know they put you in an air cast.
24:28
I actually had to wear one of those and I had a friend that
24:31
they they have the same thing, the air cast that you pump up
24:34
the air and. Well, they kept saying when
24:36
Aaron Rodgers ruptured his, they kept, they kept saying he I'm
24:39
sorry when he tore his, they kept saying he ruptured it.
24:41
But he he was kind of putting weight on it as they helped him
24:44
off the field. And I'm like, he didn't rupture
24:46
it. Could you rupture your Kelly's?
24:47
You're not standing up on it. I can tell you right now there's
24:50
nothing there but mush. That's all.
24:51
It would have been interesting had The Jets been in playoff
24:55
contention. And it was a very important
24:58
game, the last game this season, to see if Aaron Rodgers from
25:01
September to December, he was making some noise.
25:06
It could have just been all talk.
25:08
But could you imagine? The Jets were right?
25:10
Fan contention, you know, to see whether he actually would have
25:15
tried to come back and play. That would have been wild.
25:18
That would have that would have set a patent for athletes to
25:21
look at. Maybe a bad patent.
25:24
Kind of the same way in boxing when George vomited an old age,
25:27
regained the heavyweight championship.
25:29
Now all these old fighters, you know, mid 40s or whatever,
25:34
thinking well if George did it, I can do it.
25:37
Good morning school, Roy. Let me ask you guys this.
25:41
So I noticed that, of course, talking about injuries, Joel
25:46
Embiid is always at the forefront of this conversation
25:49
with the 76ers. Of course, in round one, they
25:52
picked VJ Edgecomb out of Baylor.
25:54
Everybody's got high reviews on him.
25:56
He was a number three pick. And in Round 2, they picked
25:59
Johnny Broom. I actually saw that the center
26:01
out of Auburn, they had a 35th pick.
26:04
Do you guys think that those two picks that they brought in,
26:08
they'll stay with the 76ers Part 1 because you know that anybody
26:11
can move around and #2 will they be impactful?
26:14
And what do the 76ers do with and beat?
26:17
I mean he is like this is another season that that the
26:22
76ers were projected to be decent and NMB goes down again
26:26
for a significant amount of time.
26:29
I think both these guys will have an impact.
26:31
Whether it's right away, I don't know, but Johnny Brown broom
26:34
will help them. I think they're not going to be
26:36
able to move Embiid. I don't think they can move it
26:38
with his contract in his injury history.
26:39
I don't know how they can really move them for for much if they
26:42
do. But there's only got to be one
26:44
stupid owner, right? But I think Johnny Broom helps
26:47
take a little the pressure off of Embiid and but the what's his
26:54
Ashcombe? Ashcombe.
26:56
VJ. Yeah, Edgecombe, I think he's a
26:59
fine player, will help that team immensely.
27:02
So I think, I think the Sixers had a really good draft.
27:06
I don't know if Pegs would think the same thing, being a little
27:09
tougher at his team maybe than I am.
27:10
But from the outside, I watched Johnny Broome play a lot last
27:14
year and I can tell you Auburn was a whole lot better when he
27:17
was healthy and on the court than they were without him.
27:20
And I think he'll be an impact player.
27:22
You know, is he going to be a superstar?
27:24
I'm not going to say that he'll be an impact player in the NBA
27:27
and he'll help that team. You know, I take exception to
27:31
what you said about Ambid, about his value.
27:33
He'd have a lot of value to know.
27:35
But this is the guy that's a star.
27:37
This is the guy that's one of the best players in the NBA.
27:40
If he's healthy, I could. Yes, he's healthy.
27:43
You need to tell me the Timberwolves wouldn't offer a
27:47
deal that would involve Rudy Gobert, Joe Lamb beat and given
27:51
that, you know, a little extra on top of Go Bear.
27:55
They'd have to. You mean to tell me the Lakers
27:58
wouldn't give Austin Reeves and whatever else they could give to
28:02
get Joe Lamb beat to the Lakers? After their experience with
28:06
Anthony Davis, you think they're going to trade Austin Rivers and
28:08
draft picks? I don't think so.
28:10
I think and B could get moved. Don't get me wrong.
28:12
I just don't think they're going to get much back.
28:15
Anthony Davis was a major asset for the Lakers.
28:18
They won a championship with them, with a great.
28:21
Deal in the in the in in an asterisk season.
28:24
Sorry, no. Asterisk.
28:26
Yeah, they won an NBA chest. Playing in a bowl, the.
28:32
Playoffs weren't cut short. But they played them all.
28:36
It's like it's not. It wasn't real world basketball
28:38
just wasn't, not to me. Not when you're playing in one
28:40
place all the games. It's just different.
28:43
And yeah, so they got that. They got a world championship.
28:46
Oh, they did win a mid season championship too.
28:49
Forgot about that. I don't either.
28:51
I was being sarcastic. That was sarcasm.
28:54
I, I feel like across all sports and this just seems to be
28:59
something I've noticed, maybe you 2 have noticed it as well.
29:02
Every time we have a player that is holding out for a big
29:07
contract extension or big contract, they just they get an
29:11
injury, then they get the money and then they're not available.
29:14
I mean, we've seen it with that Prescott and it's no difference
29:17
with Joel Embiid. He just signed his extension
29:19
September of last year and they owe him a lot of money all the
29:24
way through 2028 and a possible player option contract for the
29:29
2829 season to the tune of 55,000,000 the first season, 59
29:35
almost 60 the 2nd 164 that 2728 season.
29:41
And if he stays through the player option of 2829, almost
29:45
$70 million y'all. But he's not healthy.
29:48
Well, yeah, yeah, he hasn't been a leader either with the Sixers.
29:51
There was discontent with the team last year.
29:55
They would call him out a little bit for his attitude.
29:58
Now, I don't mean to say he's a bad guy.
30:00
I think just frustration that's in because I think for a super
30:04
player like Joe Lambie, he badly wants to win a championship and
30:09
he sees the team. The Sixers, not last year, last
30:13
year they were nowhere in there, but before they just be a little
30:16
short. They just could never quite fill
30:19
that gap in to win the, you know, a championship, get to the
30:23
Finals and I think it was a question of frustration.
30:27
I mean, I'm not, listen, I'm not knocking his talent.
30:29
He is a great player. Don't get me wrong.
30:31
I'm not knocking his talent at all.
30:32
He it's his health issues. And I do think he's more
30:36
valuable to the 76ers than trading him because of what
30:39
they'll get back for him. Yeah, and I, and in that same
30:45
tone, I want to talk about New Orleans Pelicans.
30:47
Of course, they picked this number seven in the round one.
30:50
Jeremiah Fears, the power guard out of Oklahoma.
30:55
They got another good pick in #13 that they got through
30:58
Sacramento with Derrick Queen. And then in Round 2, they picked
31:02
Ryan Nemhardt out of Gonzaga via trade from Washington.
31:07
However, they've gone through front office renovations, got
31:10
some new people in there. The fans from the Pelicans
31:13
initially thought, OK, this means that bye, bye Zion with
31:17
new management. But they've actually come out
31:19
and said, or at least it's thought to be said that they're
31:23
going to build around Zion, who we've seen be injury played.
31:28
And I just don't know if it is this another just off putting
31:33
year like Jack kind of referenced earlier with the next
31:36
for the Pelicans. I mean, they're not they're Can
31:39
you even get anything for Zion if you were to trade him?
31:42
No, I'm. I'm.
31:43
Just thinking of New Orleans. New Orleans, its strategy said
31:47
they wanted Derek Quinn so desperately badly that they
31:52
figured they couldn't get them when they go at #23 so to move
31:56
down 10 spots to 13. They traded their number one
31:59
draft pick last year, but they were drafting #7 So did they
32:06
think Jeremiah Fears is going to be a superstar?
32:09
I don't understand. Why that?
32:11
Draft Derek Queen at #7 This way you keep your number one pick
32:15
next year, and now you're going #13 again.
32:19
I mean, if Derek Queen is so great, I don't get this, why not
32:24
pick him at #7? I mean, Keith, you tell me, is
32:28
Jeremiah Beers going to be astonished League where they
32:31
absolutely had to take him at #7.
32:33
No, he won't be a star. Yep.
32:35
Again, I think he'll be an impact player in the NBA, but
32:37
will he be a guy you want to build around?
32:39
Probably not, but neither Zion so.
32:42
But, but, but explain this to me, if they took win at number 7
32:46
and they lost beers before they pick #13 which was a very good
32:51
possibility that would have happened.
32:53
Wouldn't have been someone at #13 who would have been just
32:56
about as good or close to it. I, I you're giving the number
33:00
one pick next year and the Pelicans, there's a good chance
33:04
they're not going to be good and that pick could have tremendous
33:09
value next year. That's going to go to the
33:11
Atlanta Hawks now. Yeah.
33:13
As far as your question about Fears, if they didn't get him at
33:16
13, yes, there's probably 15 other guys just like Jeremiah
33:20
Fears in his draft. So you know.
33:21
What? I mean, yeah.
33:22
So you didn't have to give up your number one pick for next
33:25
year. So what?
33:26
That said, the executive Joe Dumas does have a good track
33:30
record. He's a smart basketball man.
33:34
I mean, he's probably very confident in what he's doing.
33:37
And that's what that's why I have a little apprehension
33:40
because I do think Joe Dumas does get it.
33:44
He does maybe see something. But Derek Queen has a reputation
33:48
of being a little soft to have. Like he's great in spots, but
33:55
you just kind of one day, is he really going to take it to a
33:58
next level? Is he going to be?
34:01
I don't want to see like Zion Williamson, because Zion, when
34:03
he's on the court, is darn good when he's on the court.
34:07
But you just don't know what Derek Quinn is going to be.
34:11
I wonder what the Knicks would look like all those times you
34:14
wanted them to trade for Zion Jack.
34:17
No, no, no. It's worth a flyer on Zion
34:21
without question. Now, Zion is a difference maker,
34:26
a major difference maker. If he's on the court, if you're
34:30
the next and the Pelicans call you, what can you afford to get
34:34
for Zion I? Mean nothing.
34:36
I'm not. I'm not trained for him.
34:39
You wouldn't drag Mckell Bridges for Zion.
34:41
Straight up a mixed rap. Not today, I wouldn't.
34:44
I might have Listen you couldn't talk to.
34:46
Landry Shepherd. You couldn't talk me into it
34:49
like 3 years ago when we started having these conversations.
34:51
I'm not going to do it now after he's been injured 10 more times.
34:54
No, I again, I don't think he's going to play enough to warrant
34:59
giving up serious commodities for him.
35:04
Yeah, but no, Cal Bridges played really well in the playoffs.
35:06
He's up and down, played really good defense when he needed to.
35:09
He's this is a kid who needed, he might have needed a year to
35:12
adjust to the next. I think he's going to be vital
35:16
to this team come next year. I'll tell you, with the Boston
35:20
Celtics being in the rebuild you're going to next season and
35:25
I guess the Co favorites to go to the Finals, to the Cavaliers
35:29
and the Knicks and the Magic a little behind them.
35:32
The way I see it, like the old standbys, the old favorites
35:36
always used to be like the Milwaukee Bucks, the
35:39
Philadelphia 76ers, but they're not relevant the way they were
35:43
before. So I guess the Knicks and
35:46
Cavaliers going his coat favorites and like I said in the
35:49
Orlando Magic, just like a step behind.
35:52
Now that's the way it looks to me.
35:54
Knicks need to strike now, this is their best chance right now
35:57
coming up and that's why them being coachless still is dead
36:02
scratching but. Maybe what?
36:04
Maybe I shouldn't count out the Pacers.
36:07
Maybe Halliburton comes back playoff time.
36:09
They're well coached, you know, maybe they have a good season.
36:13
They've got to sign Miles Turner, though.
36:15
Yeah, but they're not. You can't count them out, but
36:18
they're still not in the top three in the East right now.
36:21
It is, I think it is the Cavs and the Knicks.
36:23
And the Knicks have had their way with the Cavs too, in
36:26
important games over the last few years.
36:29
So I like the Knicks chances to get over the hump here.
36:32
And then they got to do the right things.
36:35
In in the terms of Spike Lee, you literally gave a a shout out
36:40
to Spike with his Do the Right Thing memo there.
36:44
I was kind of shocked though, Keys speaking about he.
36:49
Doesn't need much Sonia with Spike.
36:51
I was just thinking Can you imagine you get this wild crazy
36:56
capriona like a Jerry Buss for example and he gets his new
37:01
coach. Can you imagine he gets Spike
37:04
Lee to be the head coach and Spike has a staff running all
37:07
the basketball things. Bunch of smart assistance, but
37:12
the entertainment things. Spike on the bench, The Knicks
37:15
would be must see watching just to see Spike on the bench.
37:19
And Spike would accept the job. He absolutely would.
37:23
And Spike like a phony thing. He would love coaching, figuring
37:29
and he would listen to his assistant coaches.
37:31
That would be off the rails. That would be great.
37:34
Listen with with the Not to hijack your comment, but earlier
37:37
we were talking about Anthony Davis and his impact in LA Danny
37:42
Fuller is a huge Laker fan and I'd love to get his opinion
37:45
whether he thinks the overall body of work was worth it for
37:50
the Lakers with the Anthony Davis.
37:52
Now my point is, Keith, Keith, you win 1 championship, it makes
37:57
it worth it. It makes it worth it even if you
38:02
mortgage your future to an extent, you've won your
38:05
championship. You know when the Timberwolves
38:07
made that crazy deal? Giving up what, 9 draft choices
38:11
for Rudy go bad that was. Insane.
38:13
My thought was this. The Timberwolves have never been
38:17
to an NBA Finals. If they can get to an NBA Finals
38:20
one time because Govez a major contributor, it would have made
38:26
the deal actually worth it. That's the thing about it.
38:29
Success in Minnesota is not the same thing as success in LA.
38:34
Right. But they wanted to Marcus.
38:36
Thank you, Danny. Listen, you know 1.
38:40
You need to kiss up I'm. Telling you we we joke about and
38:44
you know, Sonia likes to talk about our favorite topic, Aaron
38:48
Rodgers. I am, I'm only kidding.
38:50
I like to talk about him. But but Aaron Rodgers won one,
38:58
went to one Super Bowl. They won it with the Packers
39:01
through Super Bowl MVP. You take that away from him,
39:04
that's all we'd be hearing. Aaron Rodgers never won.
39:08
He's not a winner, He's not this, he's not that.
39:10
But you get it done one time. You can't take it away from
39:14
someone. Look, Willie Mays won only one
39:17
World Series his whole career. Hank Aaron won only one World
39:21
Series their whole career. It wouldn't have made him any
39:23
less great if they didn't, but at least they grabbed that one.
39:27
Remember that series on HBO with the Lakers, with Magic Johnson
39:33
talking to Jerry West? And Jerry West is talking about
39:36
how tormented he is losing in the Finals.
39:39
And Magic Johnson said, well, at least you won one.
39:43
I think your comparisons to two of the greatest baseball players
39:46
of all time and Anthony Davis is a little skewed actually, but.
39:50
OK, let me throw this by you. You're correct on that.
39:53
Let me ask you, Sonia, this current Keith, is Anthony Davis
39:57
going to be projected to be a Hall of Famer?
40:00
That's an interesting question, interesting question.
40:03
You might be talking about a future NBA Hall of Famer.
40:06
I think he's going to get that few more seasons playing really
40:10
well. I think it.
40:13
Gets there maybe? An honorable mention.
40:15
It's too early. Maybe, like you said, a few
40:18
more. Very borderline right now for
40:21
sure. OK.
40:23
He's got to be, he's got to have like a slam dunk of a
40:27
performance going on through from the rest of his his time in
40:31
the league. Honestly, like I just think too
40:34
much back and forth with him. Yeah, it's also staying on the
40:38
court and not being injured, and that's not necessarily his
40:40
fault. So again, I'm not faulting his
40:42
game, Right, But being the best, What was the term I heard the
40:47
best? Oh crap, I can't remember the
40:50
term the best. Something is availability.
40:53
What? What was?
40:54
Oh, the best part of being of Yeah.
40:57
The ability is availability, yes.
40:59
So. Yes, yes OK, Danny says LBJ and
41:04
AD getting the Lakers 1 banner isn't worth the money.
41:08
AD is not a Hall of Famer as a that's.
41:11
A big I'm saying I agree completely with Danny.
41:15
He's not it as of today, but he's in a great spot with
41:20
Dallas. You know, Kyrie comes back
41:22
healthy if AD can stay on the court and with Cooper flag and
41:27
they have, you know, some really nice pieces on the bench that
41:31
you know, Dallas might get. Dallas is one of the favorites
41:35
to actually go to the finals next year.
41:37
I know it's crazy now. Sounds crazy.
41:40
They trade away Luca and then the following season they're one
41:43
of the favorites. It worked out.
41:45
Things worked out. The ping pong balls went right.
41:49
Yeah, and like I say about all the NBA verdicts and, and what
41:54
have you, not verdicts, but the the storylines here, the verdict
41:58
is still out on these draft picks.
42:00
Talking like a lawyer. I know your wife is what?
42:04
I'm sorry, Keith. I always say the verdict is
42:06
still out. So good luck to everybody.
42:08
And July 6th makes the official date where we'll see where
42:11
players land, etcetera, etcetera.
42:13
And of course, Cooper Flag being the only the second player from
42:19
the state of Maine that actually got drafted and played.
42:22
There were several others. I ran through it last night.
42:24
But he and Justice Turner in 1994 that went to the the Nets,
42:31
the New Jersey Nets back then are only the two players from
42:36
the state of Maine that were drafted in the NBA and actually
42:40
played. So, and kudos to them, Let's
42:43
switch over to some NFL news here as we wrap up our last 1718
42:48
minutes. We're going to start with Jack
42:50
here. Unfortunately, Jerry Philbin
42:52
starred defensive end of the New York Jets during the 60s and 70s
42:56
and a key member of their only Super Bowl championship team,
43:00
Super Bowl 3, passed away a couple of days ago at the age of
43:04
83. Cause of death was dementia.
43:08
He actually passed on Wednesday. Jack.
43:11
Yeah, Jerry Philpin was one of the leaders on the Jet defensive
43:14
unit. You know, when they won the
43:16
Super Bowl, he played from for nine years.
43:18
He had three years of double digit stacks, which were hard to
43:23
get at that time in the NFL. And like I said, he was just one
43:28
of the leaders on the Jet team, one of one of the big voices and
43:33
one of the big contributors to them winning the Super Bowl.
43:37
And, you know, people forget, you know, with that Jet team, I
43:40
mean, that coaching staff that they had with Walt Michaels and
43:44
Buddy Ryan, believe it or not, be Buddy Ryan.
43:48
Ryan, I think takes more pride in being with the Jet team than
43:52
any other job that he had. Because when his son Rex got the
43:56
Jet job, he said don't mess this up.
43:58
This is my team. You know, he thought of The Jets
44:02
as being more his team than the Bazwa.
44:06
And Jerry Philbin was one of his guys, was one of his guys.
44:10
And I remember Jerry Philbin, after The Jets won the Super
44:14
Bowl, he was being interviewed the next day.
44:16
And perhaps he took a little bit too much of a hard knock at the
44:20
Baltimore Colts. He's saying, well, not just us,
44:23
Kansas City and San Diego, they would have beaten them good too,
44:27
you know, so that it, it was a high moment for Jerry Philbin.
44:31
You know, he played at Buffalo. He was a local guy as far as it
44:36
played at Buffalo College. I mean, so he was a local guy as
44:40
far as New York went, New York State, you know, going from
44:43
Buffalo to New York City to The Jets and one of these, you know,
44:50
impactful players when he was with The Jets.
44:53
And, you know, it's a shame when these guys retire.
44:56
You don't hear too much from some of them later on.
45:00
And The Jets had a really good defensive unit, you know, guys
45:03
like Berlin did. Jim Hudson Atkinson, one of my
45:08
favorites, Johnny Sample, you know, their defensive captain
45:12
and good players to remember. You know, they just had that one
45:16
big year where they won the Super Bowl.
45:18
The next season, even though The Jets went to the playoffs, they
45:22
were eliminated the first game, you know, against Kansas City.
45:26
But you know, and he's the he's the second defensive end, Jerry
45:30
Philbin recently that passed away, you know, Jim Marshall
45:33
with the Vikings before that. And but when I think of Jerry
45:37
Philbin, I think a little more, I don't know about you, Keith,
45:40
of the AFL and the NFL, even though.
45:43
Oh, absolutely. Transition to the NFL.
45:46
All those guys who started out in the AFL, they're always AFL
45:51
is to me, they're never NFL is Jim Marshall was an NFL 'cause
45:55
he never played in the AFL. And it's odd that we think that
45:59
way because the USFL guys, you know, like Jim Kelly and Steve
46:04
Young, we don't think of them as USFL guys.
46:08
You know, we think of them as NFL and we got to say, Oh yeah,
46:11
they started out in the USFL. But the guys who started out in
46:16
the AFL, we always think of them as being AFL guys and not NFL
46:21
guys, even though they played more games technically as NFL
46:25
as. I I would agree with it, Namath
46:28
included, by the way, and to some of the points you're making
46:31
earlier, Jack. I don't think until more recent
46:33
years that defense of that Jet championship team was given
46:37
enough credit because they were overshadowed by Namath and and
46:41
that offense such it was a defense that wasn't a Super Bowl
46:44
for him, that's for sure. I think.
46:47
And I think now as they've started to pass away,
46:50
unfortunately, a lot of those guys had like, I think Larry
46:53
Grantham died not long ago, a couple years ago maybe.
46:57
Yeah. And I think you start to hear
46:58
more about that and people revisit it and they go, man,
47:01
that was a pretty darn good, really good, actually.
47:05
And I want. To tell you there was one part
47:06
in the Super Bowl game that no one ever talks about, that's
47:10
forgotten. The Colts are down 16 to nothing
47:14
in the fourth quarter. They have this ball in the Jet 1
47:18
yard line and they gotta score quickly.
47:21
There's still time. You know, if they scored 16
47:24
seven, they still maybe could get a couple of possessions that
47:27
they'll probably need non sidekick, but there's still
47:30
time. First down on the 1 yard line,
47:34
The Jets stop him twice. Jerry Philbin in that defensive
47:38
line so took him 3 plays. But imagine the time wasted on
47:43
the goal line and that tells you a lot about Jerry Philbin in the
47:47
Jet defense that it's, you know, 1st and goal from the 1 yard
47:52
line and it took the Colt 3 plays to punch the ball over.
47:56
My Al Baker was on. That was Al Baker, Ralph Baker,
48:01
Ralph Baker. Ralph Baker was on that team.
48:03
And interestingly, in the offseason, a lot of these guys
48:06
still have jobs in the offseason.
48:08
He was a teacher with my my late father-in-law on Long Island in
48:13
the offseason. Offseason.
48:15
Yeah. He know him very well.
48:17
Man, that that. Can you imagine athletes today
48:20
getting a job during the offseason?
48:22
Think of your favorite players on the Panthestonia and one of
48:25
them needs to get a job, you know, in the off season, you
48:29
know, our players on The Jets today and New England.
48:32
What? Whatever.
48:33
Tom Brady teaching. You know, if they didn't get
48:38
paid enough for, you know, full time, I meant they got paid
48:42
enough for full time, but to supplement their income they
48:45
were getting another job. There was this player 1 I think
48:50
I know his name, but I don't want to mention his name in case
48:52
I'm wrong, it'll sound bad. He's no be wrong, Jack, be
48:57
wrong. You love to correct everybody
48:59
else. Please be wrong.
49:01
What he He applied for unemployment insurance in the
49:06
offseason. Can you imagine your baseball
49:09
play going to the unemployment office because you're not
49:12
employed during your offseason? The team caught him even though
49:15
he knew he'd get a job elsewhere.
49:17
Technically, he was unemployed at that moment.
49:21
Sounds like Johnny Manzel. You can say his name.
49:23
Johnny Manzel, it sounds like. You imagine, like when Derek
49:26
Jeter was a free agent, how fun it would have been.
49:28
He goes to the unemployment office and I don't have a team
49:31
now. I don't have a job right now,
49:34
no. And I get a job.
49:35
I won't collect unemployment. Danny's Yeah.
49:40
Say it, Jack. We'll let you know if you're
49:42
right. Right, right.
49:44
You said this was an NFL player, Jack.
49:47
No, no, a Major League Baseball player.
49:50
Well, I don't see it. What?
49:52
What time? Frame.
49:53
What time frame? I am not.
49:55
Yeah, this was. Just a decade.
49:57
Yeah. He don't he don't listen.
49:59
I tried to find it wrong. I could get the name.
50:02
Wrong we want you to be wrong. We.
50:04
Are sick of you. Criticizing everybody else sued
50:06
for. Getting the wrong name.
50:08
Well, the guy's probably. I wouldn't worry about it.
50:10
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but still.
50:14
You're not going to be sued for that.
50:15
You could, you could be a disclaimer.
50:17
Don't. Know I wouldn't want someone
50:20
saying. I'm going to collect
50:22
unemployment, Jack. We know you get food stamps.
50:26
It's OK. We know.
50:28
We know you have an EBT card. It is OK.
50:32
All right, so Speaking of unemployed, now everybody knows
50:38
and of course, condolences to the Philbin family.
50:40
Before we move on from that, everybody knows that Justin
50:43
Tucker was suspended by the Baltimore Ravens, where the NFL
50:46
has gone ahead and imposed A10 week suspension in case another
50:50
team wants to take a gamble on him for violating the league's
50:54
personal conduct policy. This is about all those
50:58
inappropriate behaviors he's had with the likes of Deshaun
51:03
Watson's references and spas and what have you.
51:07
And shocking news that I do want to get you guys take on
51:13
Shaquille Griffin guys has resigned with the Seattle
51:17
Seahawks where he began his career.
51:20
I I didn't even know he was going to come back.
51:23
Of course, him and his brother made a big, big explosion on the
51:26
scene because his brother was actually playing with one arm.
51:30
What a what a a sight there. But he's the quarterback has
51:34
signed a one year contract with Seattle starting in the
51:38
secondary. Did you guys know that?
51:40
I did not the I was like, when teams revisit, they go back to
51:44
where they may have started their career.
51:46
I think it's kind of cool. Very cool.
51:49
I know when I'm wrong, I admit when I'm wrong.
51:51
I do it enough. Jenny says he loves you.
51:54
Let's talk about this. Odell Beckham Junior teasing a
51:57
reunion with the Giants. Now y'all know he's become a
52:01
journeyman here for quite a bit and now he's been without a team
52:06
since December when the Dolphins released him.
52:09
Now he's out there on social media talking about he could be
52:13
reuniting and is interested in reuniting with the Giants.
52:16
What are you guys thoughts on that?
52:18
I think you don't even consider it unless the tendance is
52:22
lacking in your. He can provide something.
52:25
Why would you want to go back to a guy who wanted to leave you
52:29
with a pain in the butt to you? Why would you want to bring him
52:32
back? The same way with Jamal Adams
52:34
with The Jets. He forced his way out.
52:37
Now he wants to come back. I hear the same story all the
52:40
time. I've matured, you know, I see
52:44
things differently now. I was wrong before.
52:47
That's fine. We forgive you, but you're not
52:51
coming back. It's OK.
52:52
We don't hate you. We appreciate the time.
52:55
You had your case closed. You're not having it anymore.
52:58
I mean, it's Odell Beckham wanting to come back when while
53:01
he was a star, still a great player.
53:04
No, he's at the end of the line. He wants to get a job somewhere.
53:07
And I had happy days with the Giants.
53:12
Now he looks back at and has all these fond memories, you know,
53:15
with the Giants. Listen, Odell Beckham could
53:18
always look at it this way. He forced his way out and he
53:22
went to the LA Rams. They won a Super Bowl when he
53:25
was with the LA Rams. Good for him.
53:28
He's a Super Bowl champion. He can always say that.
53:31
So good for him in that regard. Leave this giant thing along.
53:34
The Giants aren't even going to consider unless ownership really
53:38
wants him back. Bad enough, but ownership
53:40
doesn't meddle with the Giants, it seems.
53:43
Yeah, I just saw Danny's comment.
53:44
I was going to say the same thing.
53:45
He nobody else wants him. His career is as a the impact
53:49
player is done. I don't remember getting on the
53:50
field with the Dolphins last year.
53:52
Maybe he didn't. I just don't remember it.
53:54
But it wasn't for long. He's always getting hurt or just
53:58
lack of focus that he never matured.
54:02
You know, he got a little less selfish maybe, but no, you got a
54:08
team you're trying to build something in in New York, and
54:10
bringing him in is not going to benefit that.
54:14
Yeah, Danny, I love the comment, by the way.
54:16
He says Jack's never wrong, except on at home and on the
54:21
shuffleboard court. Wow.
54:23
And he said he's only showing interest in the ants because
54:26
nobody wants him. When I retired, Jack and I are
54:28
going on the pickleball tour. All right, well, that sounds
54:34
interesting guys. I do want to get your take on
54:37
two different coaches. Of course, the the season is
54:41
upon us. We we get ready to start talking
54:43
about new season NFL stuff, my favorite time of the year.
54:47
And believe it or not, a list has already come out about
54:50
coaches that are on the warm seat trending towards the hot
54:54
seat if they don't perform in this next upcoming season.
54:57
And believe it or not, one of the names that's being mentioned
55:00
on there is the Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott.
55:02
I want to know what you guys thoughts are on that.
55:05
They're basically like the Bills have to win now or they may be
55:09
moving on from Sean. What are your thoughts on that?
55:13
You only get so many chances. I don't.
55:15
I, I thought Sean McDermott was in trouble a couple of times
55:19
before this. Quite frankly, he's been very
55:22
successful to take anything away from.
55:23
He'll get a job probably in a minute if he got fired, but you
55:28
only get so long to actually get over the top and win
55:30
championships. That's just how many coaches
55:33
hang around for 20 years and you know he's not there yet for 15
55:37
years, 20 years in one place without winning.
55:40
Very few. There's very few guys like
55:44
trying to think of the Bengals coach.
55:46
Marvin. Marvin Lewis.
55:48
Marvin Lewis I mean, you don't get just to come back year after
55:50
year and now so. He was there for a minute.
55:54
Yeah, you know Marvin Lewis. It makes me think of Stephen A
55:59
after the Bengals lost the playoff game for the up team
56:02
time. They always get to the playoffs
56:04
and lose. Stephen A goes on.
56:06
Sister, brother should get fired.
56:09
How do you call for a guy to get fired?
56:11
I hate to call for anyone to get fired.
56:14
You know, unless the team is really bad.
56:17
Sean McDermott has had them up there in the playoffs every
56:21
year. They've been consistently very,
56:24
very good. You know what their problem is?
56:26
The Kansas City Chiefs, that's their problem.
56:30
There's nothing wrong with the Buffalo Bills, the Chiefs just
56:35
with this mini dynasty who would take it up a notch.
56:39
But I will admit, this season I don't think the Chiefs are going
56:42
back to the Super Bowl. And if it's the boy, so it's
56:46
between the Buffalo Bills and Baltimore Ravens have a great
56:50
chance to cash in where Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, one of
56:55
them could go to their first Super Bowl.
56:57
If it's the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson and Buffalo falls
57:02
a little short again, that is so darn frustrating, I'll tell you.
57:08
But how do you fire the Bills if they're like 12 and five this
57:12
year and they lose in the AFC championship game?
57:17
Sometimes I think you just have to keep running it back if
57:21
you're close and eventually you'll get the breakthrough, and
57:24
that might be the case with Buffalo.
57:26
Not a lot of patience in the NFL today, though.
57:29
That's. Just thinking that.
57:31
He's done that, he's been there. That or make all sports.
57:34
I mean, you just saw what happened to Tibbs and it's the
57:36
same kind of thing. If they decide that's as far as
57:39
we can go, we've had our ceiling with this guy there.
57:43
I think it's likely he will be looking for a job and they'll
57:46
probably have some mutual parting of the ways if he were
57:50
to fall short again this year. But what?
57:51
But what happens to mentality is this, A coach doesn't quite get
57:56
over the top of one job, so he gets fired and he gets a job
58:00
somewhere else and they hire a guy, chances are, who didn't win
58:05
somewhere else for a long time. It's like musical chairs.
58:09
Just stay put, you know? You know who would have a lot to
58:12
do with my decision? Josh Allen.
58:14
If he really likes Coach McDermott a lot, stay with them,
58:19
OK? Put your faith in Josh Allen and
58:22
the rest of the players and you're so close to getting over
58:25
the top. I don't disagree.
58:28
And again, I'm not saying he should be fired.
58:30
I just think he will be. And again, you need to have a
58:33
better option if you say you're a fighter guy because that's as
58:36
far as he can go. That's what the Knicks did with
58:38
thieves. But you have nobody in line that
58:41
will that. You can give me every any
58:44
evidence. We'll take you any further.
58:46
You have to have someone in line because you can't tamper with
58:50
another. Team, well, everybody's got
58:52
should have somebody in mind. If they're firing their head
58:54
coach, they should. Absolutely should and we're here
58:57
at the last minute so I'm going to wrap up this comment here
58:59
Keith Jack always a great show Danny talks about it's going to
59:03
be bye bye if the if Josh Allen decides to move on and and Keith
59:07
made a good point. It is not for long lead.
59:09
That's what the NFL stands for. And with that being said as
59:12
well, it could be one of these situations that we're looking at
59:15
with the Steelers if Aaron Rodgers doesn't deliver and even
59:18
with Kyla Murray's Arizona Cardinals with Gannon out there,
59:21
even though he's only been there one year.
59:24
Everybody join us tomorrow morning for the the debate show
59:26
with Jack and myself and Jay Train Joy and Keith Angle
59:29
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59:34
Enjoy this Friday, stay cool and thanks guys for a great show.
59:37
Good day. Bye all.