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September 11, 2019 | Men of Success - Fall 2019: The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership - Session 1 · Topeka Bible Church Audio Archive

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to those of you who uh haven't been to one of these before.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can see up on the screen, thank Tom and his team.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh is Steve McGinnis out here or is he still in the back?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Steve really helped out this morning.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: In the back, you see him back there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So say thanks to Steve McGuinness if you see him.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think I saw Jerry back there for a while too.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: So this fall, Rodney, we got 10 sessions we've discussed that we're gonna do ending about a week, 10 days before Thanksgiving.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's our goal.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: And we should be able to cover this book just perfectly.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's got 21 chapters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Make sense?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Makes sense.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um how about them, Chiefs?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that great?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: So happy football's back.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was uh we were uh came home after church and uh had started to record the game, and my wife lays on the couch and the CBS intro comes on and she's just like, oh, this just reminds me of naps on Sunday afternoon and in the fall time, and I was like, Yeah, I'm so excited.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So did you guys watch the end of the game?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Did I get to watch the end of the game?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, did you?
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, I wasn't very happy.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: But the Chiefs look really good.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, they do.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: I hope Kelsey, not Kelsey, but uh Tyreek can play.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: And we got to play.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: We have to play the Oakland Raiders this week.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: That'll be exciting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did they win on Monday?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: They did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pretty handily.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: They beat uh Denver only by about 10 points, but they handled them pretty well, right, Paul?
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  unknown: Yep.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Josh Jacobs scored a couple of touchdowns or a rookie.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we're playing out there.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: We usually beat them out there, as I recall.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're a better team.
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  SPEAKER_01: We better win.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, and we also had uh certain team down in Manhattan that used to used to play for.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: They uh had a tough team.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Any K-State fans in the house?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Purple shirts.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: They had a tough time with bowling green, as you can tell.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I feel like uh for those of you who have watched K-State over the last four or five years, uh, this year we have a new swagger about us.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you guys can tell, but it's just we just seem like a different team.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think it will be fun to watch.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like watching they'll show replays, and we're doing some things that we haven't done in a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so like what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you just you watch replays, you watch the offensive line, you watch the blocking schemes.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um we're running a lot of different formations to try to get the defense uh to get the looks to see what they're gonna do with our different formations, and uh, we're just running a lot of different things.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's it's very interesting to watch from a former player's perspective of uh what the coaching staff and all kind of the mental game that's happening between the two coaching staffs and seeing what's happening.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: So um be a tough game this week.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they're playing an SEC team, Mississippi State.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I was gonna go.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I asked my wife about it, and she said, No, uh, you remember our third our second daughter's birthday is on Saturday.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh I can't go for some reason.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would have got in trouble.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they win that game, they'll be rank, they'll be ranked.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll be something.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: To beat an SEC team would be right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's unlikely the other team in Kansas is gonna beat an SEC team this year.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um a little bit of an embarrassing loss uh against uh the any KU fans in the house?
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  SPEAKER_01: Willing to admit it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Santa Clears, right?
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Ready for basketball.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Ready for basketball.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I've repressed who they're playing this weekend, I forget.
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  SPEAKER_01: But whatever.
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  unknown: Boston College.
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  SPEAKER_01: Boston College, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not mem not a member of the SEC, but probably strong enough to handle KU.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: So um, and I shouldn't um by the way, with a former Washburn quarterback in the house, I I should have noticed who Washburn was playing this weekend, but I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't know either?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: I feel better.
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  unknown: I knew last night.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is the book we're doing, Rodney.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: This was the book that we were gonna do last semester, um, but we never got to.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm actually pretty glad that we didn't get to it last semester because we would have had to fly through all 21 laws in about two or three weeks, and it just wouldn't have done the book justice.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: So um and we did Greg Brennerman, who's you know, turned out to be a cool deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what was it on uh Monday this week?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the students, the accounting and business students at Washburn got together with the business leaders at TBC and at First Southern primarily, and got matched up.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I talked with a couple of our TBC business leaders, and they say, Man, these these kids over here at Washburn, that the ones they're matched up with are really sharp.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: One kid grew up at graduated from Tibekah, junior at Washburn, and you know, just apparently really sharp, the other kid from Western Kansas.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be really cool, and it's also an evangelistic opportunity because these guys will be drinking coffee together and and talking about entrepreneurship and so forth.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, but we're moving now to a guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, John Maxwell used to be a pastor, mega church, I think Southern California, for the um Westlands, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then uh realized he was having influence, which is our second law today, influence far out of proportion to you know what he could do as a pastor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he left the church and he's been traveling and writing ever since.
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  SPEAKER_01: So ready to get into it?
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  SPEAKER_01: We got 21 chapters.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I just want to give you guys the intro to his book.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um do that, would you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh his so before he starts out in the first law of leadership, he kind of says, Hey, here's what you guys need to know as you're reading the book.
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  SPEAKER_00: He his first thing he says, you know, leadership requires the ability to do multiple things well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's pretty obvious for those of us who are familiar or or who are in leadership.
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  SPEAKER_00: You got to do a lot of things well in order to be a good leader.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh he said he was at a conference one time and a young man came up to him and he said, which one of these, like what's what's the most important one that I need to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: And he says, You got to do 21 well.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not just one.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he goes to point number two and he says, Nobody does all 21 well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's gonna be areas that you guys do really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be areas where you guys sit in here and just go, I'm terrible at that.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I need to grow on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so as we as we teach, uh, remember these four things that he says in his in his intro.
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  SPEAKER_00: He says, remember these laws can be learned.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of them are easier to understand and apply, uh, some of them aren't.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna take a little bit more work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh number two, these laws can stand on their own.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if we're teaching one and you want to go teach it to somebody else, you don't have to go and teach the other 20 laws for them to understand this one law.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I can go today to work and teach this these two laws to somebody and they'll be able to get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh number three, that these laws carry consequences.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you follow them, if you do them, he says it's guaranteed that people will follow you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh if you don't follow them, the consequences will be that you won't be able to lead anybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then number four, that these laws are foundational to leadership.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you must practice and apply them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once you learn them, you've got to practice and apply them over and over and over again for you to become a well-rounded leader.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the hope uh is that we all can become better leaders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's why we're all here this morning is to uh to get some tools in our arsenal that we can use.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I'm excited to jump in and share um what he shares in his book.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you guys want to go get the book, I think we have one a copy over there left.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I've ordered um so I buy them in bulk or whatever for cheaper, and that's why I can sell them to you for five bucks.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've got about another eight or nine coming in uh this week sometime.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, grab that last one uh if you want it, and if you got five bucks, drop it in the cup.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the way, um Sam Reed will be putting out more copies of the of the chapters we'll do next week, chapters three and four.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sam will be putting those over there on the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you need one of those, I notice we're out, grab one on the way out.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um these are two interesting laws, these first two laws.
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  SPEAKER_01: In fact, all of them are.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: I uh the way the way I choose these books, the way we choose is I go over to Barnes and Noble and I look at the top ten best-selling business books.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even though Maxwell's book was written, my golly, I forget how many were years ago, it was still like number seven in the top ten selling business books.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh after I read and have contemplated the law that you're gonna lead us through, this first law, I thought, I really like business books that don't copy each other, that say something different.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: And even though I've gone through, we've gone through a number of business books, and uh Derek and I went through a number of business books, remember that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um this first law is is actually unique, I think, to John Maxwell.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Would you take us into the law of the lid?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the law of the lid, it says uh he says uh when he when he introduces this chapter, he says, when I go and teach leadership, this is the first leadership law that I teach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because he says what it what it does is it helps people to understand the value of leadership.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um if you if you're able to get a handle on the law of the lid, that you're you will be you'll be able to have an incredible impact in every aspect of your life when it comes to leadership.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Why is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh he says he says the law of the lid is that this is that your leadership ability is the lid that determines your effectiveness as a leader.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh your lower ability to lead means you have a lower lid on your potential.
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  SPEAKER_00: The higher your ability to lead, the higher your ability, uh the higher lid that you have on your potential.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: So your your leadership uh ability determines your effectiveness and your impact wherever you're at, whatever organization you're in, in your family, uh in your job, in your business.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and then he he says later on in the chapter, he says, uh, whatever that you want to accomplish is going to be restricted, is going to be determined by your ability to lead others.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I was just thinking about this last night.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I said, uh I was laying in bed and I was just like, I think it's really interesting that sometimes the more I learn about leadership by reading books, listening to podcasts, going to conferences, in some ways, the more comfortable I become with how much I don't know.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: But in consequence, what that does is that in the long run, that hinders my ability to lead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm not going out and getting more information about leadership, and therefore my leadership ability is not reaching its full potential.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, in some ways, I'm putting a cap on myself when I choose not to learn about leadership, when I choose not to practice leadership, when I don't have any sort of abilities as a leader, and I'm okay with that, I cap myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's only so much that I can do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so this is why the skills, abilities, uh, and knowledge of leadership is so important because as you continue to grow, as you continue to learn, your lid on your potential, your lid on your effectiveness continues to go up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and in his book, John gives an interesting parallel to to give an example of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: How many of you guys have seen the movie The Founder?
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  SPEAKER_00: One person.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that one of those art movies that you see in the dark side of Chicago or something?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't watch art movies.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: My wife tries to give me to watch art movies.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't watch them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so if you guys want to see a good example of what it looks like Law of the Lid, there's a movie you found.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go watch it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's about two brothers, names Dick and Maurice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh Dick and Maurice were from New Hampshire back in the 1930s.
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  SPEAKER_00: They moved, they had a high desire for success uh and to live out the American dream.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh in the early 1930s, they moved to California because they wanted to be uh a part of the a part of Hollywood, the movie theater and all that jazz.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: So they moved out there with high ambition to make it in Hollywood.
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  SPEAKER_00: They didn't make it in Hollywood.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so they ended up opening up their own movie theater.
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  SPEAKER_00: Didn't make it in the in uh in that business either.
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  SPEAKER_00: They could barely pay the rent.
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  SPEAKER_00: So then they started uh kind of a um a little octagon type restaurant, started selling hamburgers, hot dogs, french fries, and found out that they had something.
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  SPEAKER_00: People would drive up with their cars, park, come out of their cars, come walk up, order a hot dog.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: They got so efficient at what they were doing that they they made it a goal to have all these hamburgers and hot dogs in the customers' hands within 30 seconds of their order.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: They built all these processes, um, they built uh their all these their systems.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: They were having people fly in from all over the country to find out what are you guys doing?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are revolutionary, you guys are revolutionizing this business of food.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: We got to figure out what you're doing.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: They would have people come in and say, Can we copy your model?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Can we go somewhere else?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Can we do it?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and people would, and they would say, Yes, you can go and do it, but it makes no sense.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why would you go to Phoenix, Arizona when we're here in Southern California?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why would you go there and call it McDonald's?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's our name.
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  SPEAKER_00: One day a guy named Ray Kroc walked in the door.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was a customer, yeah, or he was a pro uh a vendor for Dick and Maurice McDonald's.
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  SPEAKER_00: He would sell milkshake systems to them.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh one day he found out what they were doing.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: He came and toured their facility and he he had a vision for what McDonald's could be.
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  SPEAKER_00: He took and ran with what they did, what they created, and he made it a global brand.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: He took what Dick and Maurice could not do because of their lack of ability to lead, lack of ability to have vision, lack of ability to uh to just have a business mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you watch the movie, it's kind of shady what he does.
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  SPEAKER_00: Would you agree?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh you'll end up hating McDonald's and Ray Krog.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but in some ways, you I guess you could praise his leadership ability, that he was able to take McDonald's from a small Southern California thing that didn't go outside of maybe 100, 150 miles, and then he made it a worldwide enterprise.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because he had the ability to be able to lead.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: That the Dick and Maurice's McDonald's, uh, their thinking pattern, the way that they operated, they just had a lid where they couldn't go any further.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it it in some ways illustrates our ability to be able to lead others, if we don't continue to get better, just caps out at some point.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: And he talks about this lid and this cap, but uh it's these graphs.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: He put these two graphs uh in his chapter that I thought illustrated it for me well.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is uh on the left-hand side, the Y side of the graph, he had leadership ability, and he has pictures of this person here, like the first you know, guys you mentioned, leadership ability was low.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their success dedication was high, so they could go out on the X uh scale all the way to nine out of ten.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: But their effectiveness, he says, was always capped.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: He says, and basically his point in this chapter, which I think is really unique and really good, uh, because I always used to hear focus on what you're good at.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't spend your time trying to improve, right?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't try spend your time being what you're not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really focus and get better and better and better on.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: For me, it would have been, you know, mathematics or you know the details.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's saying, no, it's the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_01: You may have a cap on your success, but that cap rises if you'll spend a little time working on your leadership effectiveness.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that interesting?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it made me think for us this morning and for myself, as I was preparing for this, what puts a cap on our leadership?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: You think about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um for you and for me in our personal lives, what's gonna hinder our ability to lead?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is it that we just lack skills?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: We lack awareness of leadership principles.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not we don't we don't know what leadership is.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that's the case for most of us in this room, probably all of us in this room, um, but do we lack an awareness in leadership?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that gonna hinder us later down the down the road?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Do you, in some ways, do you lack confidence?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you do you not think that you'll succeed in what you're going to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so therefore you almost sabotage any sort of leadership opportunities that you have?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um are you scared to lead?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you scared to have hard conversations?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you scared to put yourself out there in the front?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you just don't feel comfortable, don't want to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh do you do you lack vision, planning?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Just some of those skills.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'll tell you one for me, I'll be honest with you guys.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: One thing that's gonna put a cap on my leadership ability, as I was thinking about this, is my um my willingness, my ability to delegate.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: So in my job, if I if I cannot trust other people and give them tasks to do and trust them to do them, then I cannot free up my plate in order to take on other things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So therefore my there's a lid on my leadership ability because I I won't delegate.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can't delegate, I'm afraid to delegate because I don't trust people.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I just got to think, what it this law of the lid, you guys see this graph up here.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just thinking about all of us in this room, if if it what if what would be the effect if all of us took uh if we were sitting at maybe a four or five, a six or a seven?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe by Christmas, what would happen to our communities?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: What would happen to our families?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: What would happen to our businesses if we just took one if we took our leadership up one notch?
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  SPEAKER_00: If our lid went up one notch, instead of a five, you become a six.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like what kind of impact would that have in your life?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of impact would that have on your family?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of impact would that have in your businesses?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: The people that you lead at work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I think it'd be an incredible impact if we all just took one step forward, our lid went up just a little bit higher.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna increase our potential and our effectiveness to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some questions from your profession or area of service.
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  SPEAKER_01: Give an example.
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  SPEAKER_01: You may want to do this at your table.
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  SPEAKER_01: Give an example of a leader who has been limited by his or her lid.
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  SPEAKER_01: How has this leader's lid affected the organization?
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  SPEAKER_01: On the other hand, whom do you know whose leadership lid seems unlimited?
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  SPEAKER_01: On a scale of one to ten, how would you describe your leadership?
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  SPEAKER_01: How would your spouse or colleagues rate you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Up till now, how dedicated have you been to developing yourself as a leader?
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  SPEAKER_01: How will you increase that dedication?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Rodney, um, I'm gonna go, even though it's labeled number one, this is this should be number two, the law of influence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I want to get through this in less than five because this is their first week, and I want them to go around the table and introduce themselves and practice practical leadership.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, really quickly, uh related to the first one, is his argument that the true measure of leadership is influence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nothing more and nothing less than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many people are you influencing?
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you don't influence, you know, your commitment as a daddy is you really, really want to have an influence, positive influence on your kids so they grow up and they become great rather than not great because you actually influence them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you want to become a really good leader.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the question is, are you influencing them?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, he says the power to influence lies in the ability to get people to participate.
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  SPEAKER_01: If no one's following, you're not a leader.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you look at these stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you get your children to eat their vegetables at the table?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the studies show that, yeah, you can threaten them and force them to eat them because they won't get dessert, but that's not long-term influence.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you need to think shrewdly about how you can influence them to eat vegetables, things like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the bottom of the page here it says management is part of being a leader.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just because you can manage something well, though, doesn't mean you can lead.
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  SPEAKER_01: In fact, he says there are five common misconceptions about leadership.
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  SPEAKER_01: The management myth is that leading and managing are the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think by now we've all heard this, we all know this, that management is more about processes and systems, whereas leadership is actually about influencing people to follow.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can tell a person's a good leader if people are following them.
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  SPEAKER_01: If nobody's following you, then no matter how sharp you are, whether you're six foot five and a movie star, you're not a leader.
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  SPEAKER_01: The second management misconception or the leadership misconception is the entrepreneur myth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some people think that outstanding salespeople or entrepreneurs are automatically leaders.
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  SPEAKER_01: He gives an illustration in his book of really great salesmen like the brothers you mentioned, and they're not leaders.
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  SPEAKER_01: Third, knowledge myth.
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  SPEAKER_01: We oftentimes think that the person who knows the most or is the smartest will be a leader, but of course that's not true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number four, the pioneer myth.
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  SPEAKER_01: The person who's out front is leading.
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  SPEAKER_01: His story is about Sir Edmund Hillary, the first one to climb Mount Everest, but he wasn't even the leader of his own climbing group going up Everest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number five, the position myth that it's not the position that makes the leader, it's the leader that makes the position.
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  SPEAKER_01: My brother was a pastor in Southwest Kansas, Medicine Lodge, and went into that church thinking that the leadership was the visible leadership.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is the chairman of the board and these other people.
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  SPEAKER_01: He found out to his sorrow the actual leader in the church.
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  SPEAKER_01: The person who had the influence was a woman who had been there a long time who controlled the purse strings.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he left in some pain when he found out that he had been spending his years working with the wrong people.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the suggestions in this second chapter, before we go to the questions, is this week actually try to influence five people.
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  SPEAKER_01: He gives a list in there, try to influence a person above you at your business, try to practically influence people who are below you, such as your children, and notice the response.
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  SPEAKER_01: Try to influence the people who are on the same level as you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he says, just record what you did and what the response was so you can see how well am I influencing people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And interestingly enough, in the studies done on this, it's uh uh we oftentimes think that people who smile influence people better, but smiling has nothing to do with it.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: The main thing in influencing people is looking people in the eye, holding their eyes for a while, right, Tommy Webb?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: You've you've you know a lot about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, looking them in the eye and speaking to them in the eye with passion, enthusiasm, emphasis, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and that's why, you know, uh unfortunately you have these terrible examples of leaders that we don't admire, like the guy 40 years ago who got, you know, in the in the Jonestown massacre, who could somehow get 909 people, 700 adults, and 200 kids to commit suicide because he had a personal relationship with them.
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  SPEAKER_01: He looked them in the eye and they trusted him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh here are my group discussion starters, Rodney.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh go around the table and share your name, your work, your family.
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  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, there should be a sheet on every table.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'd like you to put your name on that and your email address if you haven't done that, so that I can send you out an email.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: We've got all kinds of spam that we'd like to send out.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, just to let you know what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so share your name, where you work, your family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number two, ask Have you seen the law of the lid in operation?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you think you've been limited, not by your effort or skill, but by your leadership lid, like the one you mentioned?
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  SPEAKER_01: If so, what can you do about that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Third, what leadership myth is often held in your circles?
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  SPEAKER_01: And four, would you consider yourself a leader?
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  SPEAKER_01: Whom do you influence?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's a positive way you could expand your influence in your organization and group?
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  SPEAKER_01: There are uh in his um in John's uh workbook actually these leadership tests that I've copied off and put some of on the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: So feel free to take one of those with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you'd like a copy, if you didn't get one, just ask me.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: All right?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: All right, lead us in prayer, will you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Lord, we um we thank you for this morning.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um we thank you for just today uh an opportunity to live in your grace and your mercies that are new for us today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we thank you for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: We thank you for your son.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we thank you for the life that you've given us uh in him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I pray that we would live in the fullness of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh Lord, I pray for us as leaders.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: I pray that you would use us, that we would be in tune with your spirit, uh, that we would listen and we would follow you.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Lord, I pray that we would uh impact those around us for the good, uh, for your glory.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I pray that you would help us to be strong and courageous men.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh to lead uh praying ask these things in your sunset.