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Marine vet kills cop wife with her own service weapon in fatal on-duty ambush(MP3_160K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 2: From here in New York City.
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  Speaker 3: A.
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  Speaker 1: Beloved woman in blue ambush from behind and shot dead.
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  Speaker 4: Took her gun over her holster while she laid on
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  Speaker 4: the ground, shot her three times in the face.
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  Speaker 1: Her devoted husband, a decorated former marine, absolutely shattered. The
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  Speaker 1: hunt is on for a cop killer and whoever assassinated
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  Speaker 1: Officer Jen Sabina had a deadly grudge.
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  Speaker 5: It was very personal.
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  Speaker 1: Nearess a Knight on the case of Footprints in the snow,
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  Speaker 1: a mystery car and the most surprising suspect of all.
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  Speaker 6: He had been stalking her.
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  Speaker 1: Then a Las Vegas murder mystery. An aspiring actor and
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  Speaker 1: amateur boxer, He goes out for a run and never
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  Speaker 1: comes back.
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  Speaker 7: Any enemies, No, what could the motive possibly beat?
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  Speaker 3: It?
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  Speaker 5: To kill this guy?
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  Speaker 1: Jason Materira uncovers the secret that will shock everyone.
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  Speaker 7: you're running away. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Crime Watch Daily everyone, I'm Chris Hansen. First
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  Speaker 1: up today, the calm of Christmas Eve in Wisconsin is
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  Speaker 1: interrupted by gunfire. Five shots, but only one target. Our
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  Speaker 1: nursing night is in the Midwest. Now with today's.
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  Speaker 9: Top story, Chris. Officer Jennifer Savina had just taken a break.
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  Speaker 11: She was on her way back to her patrol car
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  Speaker 11: when she was ambushed, the attacker grabbing her service weapon
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  Speaker 11: and shooting her five times, including several shots to the face.
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  Speaker 9: It's barely Christmas Eve than Walla Tosa, Wisconsin. When five
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  Speaker 9: shots shadowed this pretty police officer's silent night.
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  Speaker 5: She was ambushed from behind.
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  Speaker 4: She was shot two times in the back of her head.
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  Speaker 9: But Officer jen Sabina's killer wasn't done.
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  Speaker 4: Took her gun out of her holster while she laid
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  Speaker 4: on the ground and shot her three times in the face.
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  Speaker 9: Her broken hearted husband erupts in rage, and so her
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  Speaker 9: brothers in blue track her killer's footprints in the snow.
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  Speaker 12: This was the hardest that I've dealt with in my career.
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  Speaker 5: Clearly indicates that it was very personal.
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  Speaker 9: Thirty year old Jen Sabina was married, by all accounts,
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  Speaker 9: happy and didn't have an enemy in the world. Fellow
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  Speaker 9: officer say she was the kind of comp most people
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  Speaker 9: actually loved to see coming.
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  Speaker 4: Her smile was infectious around the station.
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  Speaker 13: Just a very good person who wanted to help people.
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  Speaker 9: In a round of uniform. Jin Sabina was always there
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  Speaker 9: for people. She even served as church leader in a
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  Speaker 9: youth group.
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  Speaker 14: She had like a group of girls that she would
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  Speaker 14: just keep track of to keep tabs on. But you've
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  Speaker 14: never felt like you were just a number in her
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  Speaker 14: like book.
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  Speaker 6: It was always just.
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  Speaker 14: You know you were her favorite. She was the most fun, loving, caring,
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  Speaker 14: energetic person that you would ever meet.
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  Speaker 9: Her husband, Ben, a marine and Purple hard War hero,
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  Speaker 9: was seriously injured in a rock I'm away around.
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  Speaker 5: Came down here.
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  Speaker 3: I looked on at my knee and my pants are
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  Speaker 3: just soaked in blood, and look over and my arm
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  Speaker 3: is drooping off my body and just holding by a
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  Speaker 3: couple of tendants.
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  Speaker 5: Strapnel ripped right through it.
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  Speaker 9: Ben spent months in the hospital, but in this YouTube
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  Speaker 9: video done for his church, Ben credits Jin with saving
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  Speaker 9: his life.
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  Speaker 3: I came back on to Wisconsin and started spending more
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  Speaker 3: time with Jen and we are love flourished.
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  Speaker 9: Just hours before her murder, Ben texted using his pet
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  Speaker 9: name for Jen Beto, writing Merry Christmas, Bedo. Jen writes
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  Speaker 9: back eve ha. A few minutes later, Ben texts Jen again,
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  Speaker 9: well call me if you get too bored. I love you,
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  Speaker 9: Merry Christmas. Jen writes back, I love you too, smiley face.
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  Speaker 9: A little more than five hours later, Ben texts Jen again,
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  Speaker 9: This time there is panic in his words, Baby, are
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  Speaker 9: you okay? They just said an officer is down in Tosa.
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  Speaker 9: Jen does not respond. Nine minutes later, Ben sends another text, Baby,
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  Speaker 9: please text or call me. I'm scared. Still no response.
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  Speaker 9: At five point fifty one am, Ben sends one last
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  Speaker 9: desperate message, Babe please. Minutes later, Ben calls the Walla
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  Speaker 9: Tosa Police Department in a panic dispatch can't reach her either.
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  Speaker 9: The department quickly tracks her squad car to the parking
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  Speaker 9: lot of the fire department, where police would often park
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  Speaker 9: to fill out paperwork.
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  Speaker 7: Sixteen o one Underwood Avenue.
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  Speaker 9: Park cops from Jen's watch were first on the scene.
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  Speaker 10: They are re questioning back up for an ambush off
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  Speaker 10: the pronund It.
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  Speaker 9: Took only minutes for her fellow officers to get there,
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  Speaker 9: but when they found her, it was already too late.
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  Speaker 4: I can't imagine what those officers immediately went through when
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  Speaker 4: they came upon her in that parking lot.
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  Speaker 9: Officer jen Sabina had been shot hours earlier. How is
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  Speaker 9: her body found?
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  Speaker 4: She was laying on a cold, wet parking lot. She
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  Speaker 4: was shot multiple times in her head and in her face.
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  Speaker 4: That's just not right for her to have been left like.
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  Speaker 10: That, This young beautiful woman shot in the face.
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  Speaker 5: Did that add insult to the jury, Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a normal homicide.
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  Speaker 9: The attack calculated and cold.
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  Speaker 4: There was no indication, based on the medical examiner's report
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  Speaker 4: that Jennifer wasn't dead from the first two rounds that
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  Speaker 4: were fired. There was no reason to remove her gun
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  Speaker 4: to shoot her in the face.
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  Speaker 9: But who would be so vicious to this loving wife
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  Speaker 9: and beloved police officer in the early morning hours of
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  Speaker 9: Christmas Eve?
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  Speaker 5: Clearly indicates that it was very personal.
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  Speaker 9: Cop started tracking footprints in the snow found in the
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  Speaker 9: parking lot as detectives deliver the tragic news to her
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  Speaker 9: husband Ben at the station.
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  Speaker 11: Excuse, okay, how did he react?
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  Speaker 5: He was visibly upset.
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  Speaker 13: He was emotional as you would expect him to be
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  Speaker 13: a wonderful person.
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  Speaker 14: She was helping me.
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  Speaker 9: Just hours before Jen was assassinated ben Tell's detectives, he
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  Speaker 9: kissed his smiling wife goodbye for the last time, happy.
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  Speaker 15: As just happy.
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  Speaker 3: We hugged.
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  Speaker 15: Hugging a kiss.
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  Speaker 9: Cops are baffled. Then a break that would turn the
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  Speaker 9: case upside down. Detectives start checking surveillance cameras in the
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  Speaker 9: area around the shooting. Suddenly they spotted familiar vehicle, this
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  Speaker 9: black Prius with black rims.
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  Speaker 4: His vehicle is basically tracked through Apartment of Transportation cameras
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  Speaker 4: from locations up near their residence and all the way
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  Speaker 4: down through the freeways and through the side streets to
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  Speaker 4: where it appears on camera a block away from the
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  Speaker 4: murder scene.
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  Speaker 9: Up next, cops closed in on the killer who hunted
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  Speaker 9: down Officer Jen Sabina.
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  Speaker 6: One of the things that no one knew until he
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  Speaker 6: told us is that he had been stalking her.
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  Speaker 1: Officer Jennifer Sabina is gunned down while on patrol in
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  Speaker 1: the suburbs of Milwaukee, and police are about to uncovered
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  Speaker 1: chilling videotapes of the suspect talking about killing people on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Let's head back to our Eurysanit.
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  Speaker 9: Early Christmas Eve morning, Officer Jen Sabina lays in the
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  Speaker 9: freezing cold snow ambushed, shot five times, three in the face.
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  Speaker 12: In my head, I was obsessed with the fact that
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  Speaker 12: she was lying out in the rain, and I couldn't
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  Speaker 12: get out of my head. It ate me alive for
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  Speaker 12: months after the fact that she was lying out in
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  Speaker 12: the rain all alone.
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  Speaker 11: He wanted to protect her from the rain.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, her brothers in blue are heartbroken.
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  Speaker 12: I looked at all of the younger officers almost like
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  Speaker 12: my kids, and tell all the families how we were
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  Speaker 12: going to keep them safe. And I failed. I failed
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  Speaker 12: miserably in this case. I didn't keep her safe.
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  Speaker 9: And when they deliver the news to her husband at
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  Speaker 9: seven o three am that morning, he's inconsolable. Waalato's the
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  Speaker 9: police are baffled. Officers Sabinas seemed to be loved by all.
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  Speaker 9: Could there be a crazed cop killer on the loose?
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  Speaker 9: Investigators don't think so. The three shots to the face
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  Speaker 9: tell them something different.
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  Speaker 5: Clearly indicates that it was very personal.
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  Speaker 9: Police track footprints and the snow at the scene. At
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  Speaker 9: first it leads nowhere, Then a break. Detectives begin checking
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  Speaker 9: surveillance in the area around the shooting. Suddenly they spot
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  Speaker 9: a familiar vehicle, this black prius with black rims. Who
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  Speaker 9: is it? Unbelievably, the prius looks identical to the one
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  Speaker 9: Jennifer's husband Ben drives.
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  Speaker 4: His vehicle is basically tracked through Apartment of Transportation cameras
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  Speaker 4: from locations up near their residence and all the way
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  Speaker 4: down through the freeways and through the side streets to
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  Speaker 4: where it appears on camera a block away from the
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  Speaker 4: murder scene.
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  Speaker 9: Ben's called back down to the station. It's four point
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  Speaker 9: thirty in the afternoon on Christmas Day. He rushes over
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  Speaker 9: without hesitation. beIN's there to get answers about what happened
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  Speaker 9: to his wife. Instead, he gets questions and.
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  Speaker 5: Something happened that morning?
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  Speaker 15: And the only humor what happened here?
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  Speaker 4: I do know.
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  Speaker 13: Then, I know you're upsetting me with I don't want
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  Speaker 13: any disrespect.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, just anything I can explain to you is that
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  Speaker 15: I loved her. There's no rage. There was no outburst
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  Speaker 15: ever directed at her, and I never would because I
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  Speaker 15: had such true love for her that I couldn't hurt her.
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  Speaker 9: Despite Ben's denial, cops go to Gin and Ben's house.
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  Speaker 9: They find footprints in the snow there too, but at
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  Speaker 9: first they come up empty inside. Detectives go back to
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  Speaker 9: grilling Ben later that Christmas Day.
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  Speaker 2: I could never hurt her.
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  Speaker 15: If I was there, I would have seen your ass anyway.
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  Speaker 15: I would have anything.
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  Speaker 7: He stopped her handing.
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  Speaker 12: He made so many different statements that it's it's difficult
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  Speaker 12: for me to really gauge how much of it was
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  Speaker 12: true and how much of it wasn't.
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  Speaker 9: Now convinced Ben's the killer, police go back to the
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  Speaker 9: house again for a closer look. This time they hit
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  Speaker 9: the jackpot, literally, finding the smoking guns stuffed in the ceiling.
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  Speaker 4: Hidden behind several pieces of insulation in the rafters of
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  Speaker 4: the basement. We located both the nine millimeter Makarov style
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  Speaker 4: weapon and we located Jennifer's duty weapon.
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  Speaker 9: Cops would soon learn Ben was hunting another very dark secret.
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  Speaker 3: I was a marine, and we're trained to kill. We're
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  Speaker 3: trained that death is okay.
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  Speaker 9: In this YouTube video made by his church before Jennifer's murder,
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  Speaker 9: the former marine who fought in Afghanistan in Iraq reveals
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  Speaker 9: he's now battling PTSD.
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  Speaker 7: The first time he.
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  Speaker 3: Came back from Iraq, I was extremely angry and very
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  Speaker 3: lost in my ways. I was scared out of my
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  Speaker 3: mind and I was angry all the time.
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  Speaker 9: But was his dark and lonely world so bleak It
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  Speaker 9: made him kill the one person who loved him unconditionally, like.
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  Speaker 16: When he kissed her goobye when she went to work
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  Speaker 16: that night. Did he have an idea that this was
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  Speaker 16: going to happen.
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  Speaker 17: I think the war and PTSD did make a contribution
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  Speaker 17: to his acting out and murdering his wife. However, I
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  Speaker 17: don't think that was sufficient enough explanation.
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  Speaker 9: Doctor Schukbadi, a board certified psychiatrist for more than forty years,
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  Speaker 9: is an expert on PTSD. He never interviewed Ben Sabina,
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  Speaker 9: but after looking at the case, tells Crime Watch Daily
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  Speaker 9: he thinks Ben was afraid of losing Jennifer. Prosecutor Mark
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  Speaker 9: Williams claims Ben Sabina was insanely jealous and angry about
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  Speaker 9: his wife's success as a police officer.
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  Speaker 6: One of the things that no one knew until he
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  Speaker 6: taught us is that he had been stocking her and
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  Speaker 6: he said a lot of This was to because of
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  Speaker 6: the jealousy was motivating him. He wanted to find out
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  Speaker 6: what she was doing. Obviously made a choice at some
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  Speaker 6: point that he would have to kill her in order
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  Speaker 6: not to lose her.
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  Speaker 16: Jennifer was very professional. She was friendly, but never flirtatious
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  Speaker 16: with anybody that I saw. He was struggling in his
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  Speaker 16: own life as far as to get a successful career
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  Speaker 16: or job, and of course she had hers all laid out,
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  Speaker 16: so I think that was a source of friction probably
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  Speaker 16: between them.
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  Speaker 9: Jennifer had only been with the department for a little
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  Speaker 9: less than two years, and in public, she and Ben
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  Speaker 9: seemed to be a merried couple madly in love.
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  Speaker 12: My first encounter with him was actually at Jennifer swearing in,
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  Speaker 12: and the two of them were like giddy teenagers in
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  Speaker 12: love and all outward appearances holding hands and giggling and
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  Speaker 12: staring into each other's eyes.
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  Speaker 9: Remember when Cops first told Ben Sabina about his wife's death,
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  Speaker 9: he flew into a rage. Now Copps believe Ben was
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  Speaker 9: just trying to throw them off his track.
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  Speaker 13: Keith flipped over the interview table a fit of rage,
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  Speaker 13: and I think that was just something he probably thought
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  Speaker 13: would be appropriate or something that somebody who just found
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  Speaker 13: that out would do. I don't think it was because
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  Speaker 13: he was that angry or that upset putting on an
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  Speaker 13: act for you.
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  Speaker 17: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Finally, at six point fifty two, the day after Christmas,
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  Speaker 9: following sixty grueling hours of interrogation, Ben Sabina comes.
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  Speaker 13: Clean confession that right, I did it.
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  Speaker 9: I did it, confessing to shooting the woman he claimed
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  Speaker 9: to love twice in the back of the head, then
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  Speaker 9: pulling out her very own police pistol and firing three
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  Speaker 9: more rounds wide into her face.
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  Speaker 10: Do you think she knew who killed her?
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  Speaker 4: I can only hope that it was quick, that it
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  Speaker 4: was painless, that her last thoughts were nothing but positive,
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  Speaker 4: happy as she walked out of that fire station, ready
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  Speaker 4: to continue on her shift.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to keep doing the job that she loved.
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  Speaker 9: And the marine war hero now sits calmly describing the
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  Speaker 9: vicious attack to the same detectives his beloved wife used
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  Speaker 9: to call her brothers in blue.
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  Speaker 5: Shattered and uh, she went down and I don't have
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  Speaker 5: to do an a shot. And she started getting out, and.
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  Speaker 7: She started going for a gun, sorrowing for a time, and.
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  Speaker 5: Then they shot her at the head of crystol again
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  Speaker 5: and then.
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  Speaker 1: Grabbed the other one and shot her a couple part times.
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  Speaker 2: Has you how because yes, do.
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  Speaker 5: You think she knew it was you? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 9: Ben's cold confession sends a chill through Jennifer's fellow cops.
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  Speaker 7: Why did you share her in her face with her
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  Speaker 7: own time?
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  Speaker 5: That was just because you want to make sure your dead.
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  Speaker 4: He took the extra time and effort to remove her
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  Speaker 4: gun out of her duty holster, and while looking down
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  Speaker 4: at his wife, shot her three times in the face.
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  Speaker 5: That's personal.
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  Speaker 4: That means something that's premeditated.
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  Speaker 9: Up next, Ben's twisted motive behind his loving wife's murderer,
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  Speaker 9: Why did she deserve to.
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  Speaker 10: Guy like that?
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  Speaker 1: We're back now with more on the murder of a
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin police officer. It's the first on the job killing
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  Speaker 1: ever in the department's ninety six year history. Once again,
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  Speaker 1: here's Narissa Knight.
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  Speaker 9: Chris Officer Jennifer Sabina is gunned down while on patrol
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  Speaker 9: here in a suburb of Milwaukee. The suspect her husband,
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  Speaker 9: a decorated Iraqi war veteran. It's the day after Christmas
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  Speaker 9: and sixty grueling hours of police interrogation finally have Ben
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  Speaker 9: Sabina ready to cave.
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  Speaker 5: Profession right, I did it.
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  Speaker 9: What Sabina did was boutly execute his pretty young wife, Jennifer,
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  Speaker 9: a police officer she was very well of. During his interrogation,
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  Speaker 9: Vin Sabina shocks detectives again, telling them he was the
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  Speaker 9: one who was supposed to die.
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  Speaker 5: Why didn't you? Because she would have killed herself after that.
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  Speaker 9: Believe it or not, Sabina claims that's the reason he
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  Speaker 9: executed his wife. In his warped reality, Ben tells detectives
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  Speaker 9: he believed if Jennifer killed herself, she would go to
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  Speaker 9: hell part so I wanted to be deal with the too.
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  Speaker 9: But doctor a Shock Badi, a board certified psychiatrist, has
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  Speaker 9: a hard time believing Jennifer Sabina's vicious murder was a
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  Speaker 9: mercy killing.
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  Speaker 17: A lot of hatred. If you want to make sure
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  Speaker 17: someone is not suffering, you shouldn't it with the heart.
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  Speaker 17: As a soldier, he would know that that shooting someone
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  Speaker 17: in the face is not the faith to kill someone.
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  Speaker 9: That's anger, and Sabina showed a terrifying glimpse of that
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  Speaker 9: anger when detectives left him alone in the room with
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  Speaker 9: the camera still rolling the document before King Dick and
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  Speaker 9: killed her. Ben Sabina is charged with first degree intentional homicide.
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  Speaker 9: He first pleads not guilty, then changes it to not
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  Speaker 9: guilty by reason of insanity.
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  Speaker 6: The defense has to prove is that Benjamin could not
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  Speaker 6: determine right from wrong.
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  Speaker 9: Kaf say. Everything Sabina did after gunning down his wife
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  Speaker 9: proves he knew the difference, running from the scene, hiding
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  Speaker 9: the guns, denying it through sixty hours of interrogations.
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  Speaker 15: Because as anything I can explain to you is that
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  Speaker 15: I loved her. There's no rage. There was no outburst
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  Speaker 15: ever directed at her, and I never would because I
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  Speaker 15: had sastrula.
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  Speaker 2: For her that I couldn't hurt her.
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  Speaker 4: He came across as somebody who felt as though he
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  Speaker 4: was going to get away with this. He believed he
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  Speaker 4: was smarter than everybody in the room. He believed he
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  Speaker 4: was smarter than everybody in this police department up until
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  Speaker 4: the point that he confessed.
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  Speaker 9: Ben Sabina eventually changes his plea in court too.
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  Speaker 15: What's your plea to that guiltier honor?
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: What did Benjamin ultimately plead to and what was his sentence?
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: I pled to first degree intentional homicide.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: Ben Sabina's mother pleaded with a judge to remember her
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: son was sick.
• 20:16
  Speaker 18: Our military is skilled in training our young men and
• 20:18
  Speaker 18: women how to fight and to kill, but when their
• 20:21
  Speaker 18: service contracts are fulfilled and they come back home, they
• 20:25
  Speaker 18: failed to teach them how to live again.
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: Ann Sabina's parents sent an impassioned seven page letter, writing,
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: in part, we asked for mercy. Ben, in his illness,
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: thought he was helping his wife. Then, just before sentencing,
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: Ben Sabina offered his apology to Jennifer's family.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Place all right, I didn't have anything else left for me,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: and after our discussion, I didn't want to do that
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to her. And I'm sorry that I took away your daughter,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: and I'm sorry to take away your sister. If I
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: can replace my life with hers right now, I would
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: The judge sentences Ben Sabina to life without the possibility
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: of parole for thirty five years.
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: Mister Sabina will be about sixty five or sixty six
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: years old, and he's allowed to petition for release.
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: The fact that Jennifer was such a good person, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: through our investigation we learned and that Ben was truly
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: an evil person. It's not like this was a crime
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: of anger in the moment, a crime of passion in
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: the moment. This was a calculated evil person laying in
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: wait for somebody that they supposedly loved, and then just
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: completely violently killing her.
• 21:48
  Speaker 16: I just wonder if every day, if he stops to
• 21:50
  Speaker 16: think about what happened at him. Yeah, I hope so,
• 21:54
  Speaker 16: because he destroyed something beautiful for whatever reason, had a
• 22:00
  Speaker 16: good reason.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: Jennifer Sabina seemed to love everyone, and everyone seemed to
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: love her. She only served as an officer for two years,
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: but she touched so many hearts, especially those behind the
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: Wahwatosa Police badge.
• 22:17
  Speaker 19: As we are present here today remembering Jen, as we
• 22:24
  Speaker 19: are present here today remembering honor gen A piece of
• 22:28
  Speaker 19: us is gone, one that can never be replaced. Rest
• 22:32
  Speaker 19: in peace, our sister in blue, you have joined the
• 22:34
  Speaker 19: ranks of Heaven's angels. We have your watch from here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: In honor of Jennifer Sabina's service, her name was added
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to the National Law Enforcement Memorial in Washington, DC. Also,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: her fellow officers in Wahwatosa have dedicated a memorial to her.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: At police headquarters.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Up next a frantic call for help.
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: He said, these guys are here. Both guys are following me.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Fo months later, murder.
• 23:04
  Speaker 20: Who would want Josh de Fort killed?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Crime watched daily in Las Vegas searching for answers in
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the death of a young aspiring actor.
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: Did Josh know that there was a life insurance policy
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: taken out on him?
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Coming up?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Our next story starts on the Las Vegas Strip, a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: place where a Michigan man was hoping to make a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: new life for himself, lost his life, and now police
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: need your help solving his murder. For more, let's head
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: out west to our Jason Mattera.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: He tied his.
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: Running shoes, put in his earbuds, and went jogging on
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: the trail.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: But he wasn't alone.
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: He said, these guys are here.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: Out of nowhere, evil emerged from the desert shadows booth.
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: Guys are following me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: Beaten and strangled.
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: He was so scared and so antike.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: His body dumped by the side of the road.
• 24:03
  Speaker 20: Who would want Josh Dufort killed?
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: Was Josh Dufort the victim of a random attack.
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: Josh's apartment was three blocks down.
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: The road, and that's when he was murdered, or was
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: Josh Worth more dead than alive.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: It's too many coincidences.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: Josh grew up in the.
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: Small town of Dansville, Michigan. He packed up and left
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: for the bright lights of Las Vegas to become an actor.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Hi names Jos.
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: This is Josh's audition real, Oh.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Why is she always leaking people in?
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: You're so early?
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: Was good enough to lend him a bit part in
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: Astro Zombies M three cloned. That's Josh in the black
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: cap and red shirt. Josh met his close friend Nikolaus
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: Nitanos in acting class.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: How would you describe Josh his personal passions, likes, dislikes.
• 25:02
  Speaker 21: Josh was a really, really great and passionate guy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: He was always there for his friends, and.
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: The girl who worked at the local bakery was smitten
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: so much so that Shannon Lutz fell in love then
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: moved in with Josh.
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: Was it a serious relationship?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: We were very quickly, completely inseparable. Our lives fused together.
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: I moved out of the house, moved in with him,
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: and we were together twenty four to seven. The most gregarious, sweetest, caring, sarcastic,
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: lightest person in the room. He walked in and everybody
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: was immediately drawn to him. He was a magnet any enemies, No,
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: there was not a person who didn't love him, want
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: to be with him, or want to be him.
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: But there was something else that ignited Josh's passions boxing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: Josh became fast friends with the lightweight champion name Don
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Juan Fatrell. Yes, that's his name, don Juan. What do
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: you know about Josh's relationship with Don Juan Fatrell.
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: Josh was young and naive, but hungry for any opportunity
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: in town. He came in and was a sort of
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: mentor and helpful wing for Josh and was seemingly a
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: really great influence.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Well you say seemingly a great influence. Why do you
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: have that caveat?
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: From what Josh thought of him, he saw someone who
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: was like a big brother and was trying to help him.
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: It would never pan out. They would be supposed to
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: have lunch, supposed to work out together, supposed to have
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: a little meeting, talk about their goals, and Don Juan
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: would cancel on him.
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: One of those goals, Shannon says, was to make bank
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: selling T shirts on the Vegas Strip.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: They just one day had an idea putting clever or
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: cool looking designs on T shirts. Don Juan said, Okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: come over, jog over, we're going to work out, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: then we're going to talk about this T shirt business.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: And they never got to speak about it, so this
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: business never got off the ground.
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Do you think that was on purpose? Yes?
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: I don't think that the T shirt business. Josh thought
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: it was going to be an actual thing, but I
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: think that it was just Don Juan praying on Josh,
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: wanting to do everything he could, and coming up with
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: a reason to get him over there to guarantee that
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: he would come over.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: Josh's acting coach, Shari Flaherty, worried about her star pupil
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: climbing into the ring and taking punches.
• 27:36
  Speaker 22: I got kind of confused about it, and I said, Josh,
• 27:38
  Speaker 22: I thought you wanted to be an actor. You're going
• 27:40
  Speaker 22: to end up hurting your face. I mean, you think
• 27:41
  Speaker 22: about those things. Because we had booked him several commercials
• 27:44
  Speaker 22: already at that time, and he mentions that I just
• 27:47
  Speaker 22: have to last three rounds. I can make an extra
• 27:49
  Speaker 22: thousand bucks and I need the money.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Shari says one day, when she was complaining about the
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: high cost of health insurance. Josh surprised her with a zinger.
• 28:01
  Speaker 22: He nonchalantly says, yeah, I have my health insurance. Now
• 28:05
  Speaker 22: I don't have to pay for it, and I go
• 28:07
  Speaker 22: health insurance. And he proceeded to telling me that he
• 28:10
  Speaker 22: called them dj dj got me health insurance.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: I looked at him and I go, what, don Juan?
• 28:14
  Speaker 22: Yeah, don Juan, And I said, don Juan got you
• 28:17
  Speaker 22: health insurance?
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: He goes, yeah, I go, what.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: Health insurance for a healthy, twenty three year old athletic guy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: That raised, you know, suspicions to me, Like huh.
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: Suspicions were raised even further. One warm November evening, Shannon says,
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: Josh told her he was going to jog over to
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: Don Juan's house, nestled in negated community on a golf course.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: Do you remember the last conversation you'd had with Josh.
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we had never gotten in a fight before. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: think we pecked each other aggressively on the cheek and
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: it was a see you later, and that was the
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: last we spoke.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: Is that row for you? I mean, the last time
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: you had a conversation with Josh, you guys were fighting.
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we had never it had been sunshine and.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: Rainbows, but quickly a menacing dark cloud would wipe out
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: the sunshine forever. Shannon says, on the way to don Wants,
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: Josh left him a terrifying voicemail.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: So you're listening to these voicemails now, and what do
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: you hear?
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: There's three messages from Josh and he said, these guys
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: are here. I don't know what to do. I don't
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: know how to get into the gate. They're following me.
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: He's on the corner of Eastern and Paco's Ridge and
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: that he's just frantic and he's like, you need to
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: come get me right now. These guys are following me.
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: And he repeats it several times and then times when
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: the phone cuts.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: Out, probably his last moments.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but who were they? Henderson, Nevada police say Josh
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: was attached. His life was body discovered at sunrise the
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: next morning.
• 29:53
  Speaker 23: It's a jogger who basically finds Josh to Ford on
• 29:57
  Speaker 23: the side of this road, beaten and strangled to death.
• 30:00
  Speaker 20: He may have died that morning or the night before.
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: As detectives retraced Josh's last steps and talk to his friends,
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: the trail leads them in a direction no one saw coming. Next,
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: investigators uncover a diabolical plot hidden in the insurance policy.
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: Was it all just a ruse or could it spell
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: something far more sinister?
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: So your understanding is that Josh was tricked.
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: I think that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Josh Dufort left his home in Michigan for the bright
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: lights of Las Vegas, his dream to become an actor,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: but his life would be cut short in a violent attack,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a murder that remains unsolved.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Jason Mattera is back now with more.
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: Chris has investigators dug deep into the mysterious death of
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Josh Dufort. They would make some eyebrow raising discoveries, such
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: as someone had taken out two life insurance policies on
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Josh just before he was murdered. Las Vegas a sunny
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: place for shady people, But Josh Duffort wasn't one of them,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: so says his girlfriend Shannon Lutz, he.
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: Was everybody's hero.
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: Josh is indestructible, but sometimes a hero, even an indestructible one,
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: can fall victim to evil. Josh was beaten, strangled, murdered,
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: his body dumped beside this road in the Vegas suburb
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: of Henderson.
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: I stood by the casket almost the entire time just
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: looking at him. I just didn't want him to go away.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: What are you feeling now just talking about this whole thing?
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: Devastation? Of course, there is not a day that's gone
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: by that I don't think about him, that I don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: miss his smile and his jokes.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: Josh's close friend, Nicko Gaetanos, wonders, why would anyone want
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: to kill this aspiring actor with a baby face?
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: Like? What could the motive possibly be to kill this guy?
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: The motive could be money, aho lot of it. Apparently
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: Josh was well insured.
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: There were two life insurance policies worth a whopping one
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: point seventy five million dollars. And who was the beneficiary
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: his mentor and friend, boxer Don Laan Fatreue. What friend
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: takes out a life insurance policy on his other friend?
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: Like you and Josh were boys, would you take out
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: life insurance policies on each other?
• 32:37
  Speaker 17: Not at all?
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, does that even cross your mind?
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: No?
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: No, it's that's some freaky stuff.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: But wait a minute, didn't Josh allegedly tell his acting
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: coach Chari Flaherty that Don Juan paid for health insurance,
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: not life insurance.
• 32:54
  Speaker 22: I just thought it was very odd for somebody who
• 32:56
  Speaker 22: only knew Josh for less than eight months. I thought
• 33:01
  Speaker 22: that was a bit strange.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: Did Josh know that there was a life insurance policy
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: taken out on him?
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: No.
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: My understanding from Joshunight's conversations is that Don Juan was
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: helping him get health insurance because he didn't have any.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: So your understanding is that Josh was tricked completely into
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: applying for life insurance. He thinks of health insurance. The
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: day after Josh's body was found on this busy road,
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: cops searched Don Juan's house. In this search warrant, it
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: says they seized miscellaneous life insurance paperwork. Back during the
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: initial investigation, Henderson Police said Don Juan was in their sights.
• 33:42
  Speaker 20: Don Juan Futreil is still considered our prime suspect in
• 33:45
  Speaker 20: this open case.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: The two insurance companies denied Don Juan's claim for the payout.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: One company took him to federal court and he counter sued,
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: And you won't believe what was revealed in court papers.
• 33:56
  Speaker 20: Also on the application, there's a bizarre twisp.
• 34:01
  Speaker 23: Josh Toft and Don Juan are listed as domestic partners,
• 34:06
  Speaker 23: but neither one was in a relationship with the other
• 34:09
  Speaker 23: one aside from a friendship.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: In the deposition, an attorney asked Don Juan to explain,
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: if I say the words domestic partner, what does that
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: mean to you? Domestic partner mean like married or something?
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: Do you think domestic partners could be gay or straight?
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: I think if you live together, it's domestic.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: So you don't buy it. No, not at all.
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: And whoever filled out the application claimed that Josh made
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars selling T shirts for
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: the company that he and Don Juan co owned and
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: the life insurance forms that were taken out on Josh.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: It stated that he earned one hundred and eighty thousand
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: dollars via this T shirt company. You're smirking right now.
• 34:53
  Speaker 17: I mean.
• 34:55
  Speaker 21: Josh didn't have any money, and I hung out with
• 34:58
  Speaker 21: him a lot. He was not living as though he
• 35:00
  Speaker 21: was banking one eighty k nowhere close.
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: I believe in the year of twenty ten he'd made
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: a total of sixteen thousand dollars for his entire salary
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: for the year. We pinched pennies like crazy, and now.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: This story about two boxers takes a wild left hook.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: It may be Josh's signature on the policy, but the
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: voice on a mysterious audio interview with the insurance company
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: apparently doesn't sound like Josh. So if it's not Josh,
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: who is it. Believe it or not, Don Juan says
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: it sounds like his own brother.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: We really want to talk to Don Juan, but he
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: lives in this gated community and we can't get to him.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: So we're gonna give him a call and see if
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: he'll come out here and talk to us. Don Juan
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: Jason matterra with Crime Watch Daily. We're doing a story
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: on the murder of Josh Dufort, and your name came
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: up in our interviews. We're hoping you can respond to
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: some of these allegations made against you. Did you orchestrate
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: Josh's murder or is this just pure coincidence? He hung up.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Don Juan hung up.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: We called Don Juan a second.
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: Time to ask him to sit down for an interview,
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: but he hung up again. Even though court documents showed
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: Don Juan's brother allegedly was an imposter posing as Josh,
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: cops have never charged Don Juan in connection with the killing.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Our legal expert Amy Dash explains why that may be.
• 36:32
  Speaker 23: Proving that someone submitted or played a role in a
• 36:35
  Speaker 23: fake insurance application doesn't amount to charging someone with murder.
• 36:40
  Speaker 23: So in order to arrest somebody and charge them with murder,
• 36:43
  Speaker 23: you really need direct evidence connecting that person to the
• 36:48
  Speaker 23: crime that was committed. So, either that means that the
• 36:51
  Speaker 23: police do not have sufficient evidence to connect Don Juan
• 36:56
  Speaker 23: Fatrell to joshja Ford's murder, or it means that that
• 37:00
  Speaker 23: evidence just doesn't exist.
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: In November, it will be seven years since Josh's untimely death.
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: Is still miss him? Oh yeah, still love him?
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: I won't ever stop loving it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: What do you miss most about Josh?
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: I would say a sense of humor. You can make
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: anybody smile.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: All that Shannon has left is this box.
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: So what's in the box?
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: This is my Josh box. I guard it with my life.
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: It's all that I have left of him.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: Shannon kept everything Josh is doole, It's movie tickets, even
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: the T shirt he wore the last day they spent together.
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: I keep this box sealed up really tight, and it
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: still smells like him. I also keep his cologne, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: I very infrequently because it is an immediate sensory memory.
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: Take it out and I smell it, and I'll immediately
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: start crying all over again because this whole box just
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: smells like him.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Still, what's a light to go through his items now?
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: It's a little bizarre. It's so familiar. It feels like
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: he was just wearing this, and at the same time,
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: it also feels so distant, feels like yesterday, and it
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: feels like forever ago. At the same time.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: For Shannon, yesterday does seem so far away. Her dream
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: of spending forever with the love of her life was
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: snuffed out on that dark day in the city where
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: the neon lights never stop blinking.
• 38:35
  Speaker 10: I think we could have and would have been together forever,
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: and that's my whole course of life is different without him,
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: and the world is missing out by not having him
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: in it.